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crazeek
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Hello,

 

I have an old .22 cal air rifle that my father and I have been using since I was a kid. He says it was his father's, and he recently gave it to me. I took it apart to clean it since my father said he didn't think it had been cleaned in decades, and I found that the rubber piston seal was broken, and the washer holding it on to the piston was cracked. The small seal around the barrel also seems to be quite worn out. I don't know exactly what the make or model is, and after spending a few hours searching around online, I think it might be an old Diana? It's hard for me to tell since there are no markings on the rifle, aside from a serial number. I would really appreciate some help in determining what it is, and what parts I need to return it to working order. Heres a link to a gallery I created with some photos of the air rifle in question: https://imgur.com/a/YgUUhzn

Cheers!

 





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Posted : 26th June 2020 22:19
Garvin
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Posted by: @crazeek

Hello,

 

I have an old .22 cal air rifle that my father and I have been using since I was a kid. He says it was his father's, and he recently gave it to me. I took it apart to clean it since my father said he didn't think it had been cleaned in decades, and I found that the rubber piston seal was broken, and the washer holding it on to the piston was cracked. The small seal around the barrel also seems to be quite worn out. I don't know exactly what the make or model is, and after spending a few hours searching around online, I think it might be an old Diana? It's hard for me to tell since there are no markings on the rifle, aside from a serial number. I would really appreciate some help in determining what it is, and what parts I need to return it to working order. Heres a link to a gallery I created with some photos of the air rifle in question: https://imgur.com/a/YgUUhzn

Cheers!

Looks like a Relum to me. The lines on the stock are quite distinctive.

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Posted : 27th June 2020 19:43
marflow
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after some looking, i think it is a FEG but what model i have no idea 

this post shows pictures that are close to the same but the stock is different 

http://www.airgunbbs.com/showthread.php?790407-Wehkamp-FEG-Air-rifle

 

https://www.luchtbuks.net/index.php?/topic/100122-een-zeldzame-j-grothaus/

Wehkamp/ FEG is mention more then once 

i'm confused but what i found just looking around 

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Posted : 27th June 2020 21:04
crazeek
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Thanks for the tips so far. All I can really do is look at pictures and try to compare them to what I have. It really does look like a Wehkamp/FEG. I searched around a bit more using that name, and found a picture of a piston and spring that looks almost identical to the one in my rifle. A lot of the information seems to be on non-english forums, so I suppose I will have to try and make do with a translation and see if anybody has posted anything about replacement seals. It still seems a little bit murky and confusing to me. I am not sure how much international sale these rifles got, and since I live in Canada I am kind of wondering how this thing even got here in the first place. I am not overly familiar with air rifles, but I have never heard of the brand or heard it mentioned anywhere. *Edit, just searched around using "Relum" as a keyword and saw a few more pictures that look very similar to my rifle. Still not really sure what my rifle is, but I will post a few images of the internals to see if that sheds a little more light on the situation

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Posted : 27th June 2020 23:57
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there was very little about FEG and found what i did by Googling Hungarian air rifles 

i had a hunch that if it wasn't a Relum maybe another maker of the same country had the same look and with that used the same parts maybe ????

now T.W. Chambers has Relum parts but few picture and i assume that you rifle has a leather pistol seal 

https://www.gunspares.co.uk/categories/24054/Relum/

now there are modern piston seals for the leather conversions 

http://vortekproducts.com/ourstore/Seals-Tuning-Parts

all the FEG rifle that are listed in the Blue Book are CO2 so that was no help and Relum were not listed but

it reads

Relum is a reverse version of the name Muller, {George Muller company founder in 1954}

Brands included Relum, Jelly, FEG, Telly, Rapide, Taurus and Super Tornado           now are these brands or model i think both      but that is how it was written 

most are heavily built economy line of air rifles with MV .177 in the 500FPS area

so my bet is there are a lot of parts that might interchange seals and springs 

so in this game of parts for old air gun you have to guess a little bit and if wrong you try again 

in any case good luck and stay safe 

mike

 

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Posted : 28th June 2020 00:55
crazeek
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As mentioned, here are some images of the internals: https://imgur.com/a/LYMzFia

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Posted : 28th June 2020 01:17
crazeek
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@marflow Yes, before I posted anything here, I looked through a lot of pictures of old Dianas since I thought that was what my rifle was. It seems like a number of the FEG rifles are Diana clones, so I figured some Diana seals would fit my rifle. From what little I can find online, it seems like these Hungarian rifles go by many names depending on where, when, and by whom they were sold.

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Posted : 28th June 2020 01:22
marflow
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that is an odd set up and any Diana seal would be hard to imagine it would work

the stem on the piston looks a bit long in height but shim could be made 

you have a bit of a crap shoot find off the shelf seal but the spring looks like what Chambers is selling 

what is the tube size 

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Posted : 28th June 2020 01:44
crazeek
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@marflow 25mm. I am not sure if the metal protrusion that holds the seal in place is threaded or not. I will check tomorrow if it can be unscrewed, but since most of the seal replacement kits I've seen involve a screw holding the seal in place I hope for my sake that mine isn't permanently attached to the piston.

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Posted : 28th June 2020 02:02
marflow
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so i'm guessing it didn't unscrew 

so the easiest way to fix it would be to chuck it up in a lathe and drill and tap a hole but that mean you or a friend has a lathe 

getting it done could cost too much 

you can order a Diana 25mm seal and see how it fits but a spacer would be needed even if the seal fit the which a doubt 

i think the hole is going to be too large 

email Air Rifle headquarters and give him the dimensions of the piston top and see what he has or the guys at Vortek 

other wise you are shooting blind for a perfect fit 

https://www.airrifleheadquarters.com/page/page/251327.htm

http://vortekproducts.com/ourstore/

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Posted : 29th June 2020 21:16
crazeek
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@marflow Yeah, I think I will take your advice and contact Air Rifle headquarters. Cheers 👍

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Posted : 30th June 2020 01:14