C:\airgun_letter\1999\AGLF5-07.HTM Airgun Letter Forum: Messages posted in the past 2 days

Airgun Letter Forum: Messages posted in the past 2 days

Re: tuning a Walther LP53

Msg. 109724  Posted by LOU V.K. on May 07, 1999 at 06:59:01:

In Reply to: tuning a Walther LP53 posted by Tom Wheeler on May 06, 1999 at 23:48:46:


If the upward jolt at the rear of the pistol is your complaint,there is notmuch that can be done about it.It is inherant in the design of the LP 53,as the power plant is located in the grip,and the piston flies upward upon the release of the trigger. This movement is quite fast,and,the resulting jolt to the pistol makes it somewhat difficult to shoot well. It is just a learning curve.It can be overcome with a good bit of practice,and a proper hold.
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gamo hunter 880

Msg. 109723  Posted by rob on May 07, 1999 at 05:29:56:

I'm interested in purchasing the gamo hunter 880 rifle/scope combo but I have been unable to get any reviews. If anyone owns one please mail me with its general performance and any tips on maintaining it.
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Re: cleaning pellets in tempest?

Msg. 109722  Posted by jcbii on May 07, 1999 at 03:57:09:

In Reply to: cleaning pellets in tempest? posted by tom on May 05, 1999 at 07:39:09:

Just give Beeman a call and ask them(better yet, send them an e-mail). At one time, they had a paragraph in thier catalog stating how many pellets to place in an airgun based on its fps rating (long time ago). I put one to two felt pellets in my Beeman 850 (RWS 6M)and don't have any problems. I only put one it it when I am shooting Black Widow spiders. Killed one a few nights ago with one shot (I am somewhat amazed at the short-range accuracy of these pellets!).
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Re: Sheridan C9 Silver Streak with a steroid/ Billet modification

Msg. 109721  Posted by jcbii on May 07, 1999 at 03:50:37:

In Reply to: Re: Sheridan C9 Silver Streak with a steroid/ Billet modification posted by Mark Lemm on May 07, 1999 at 02:09:11:

Mark, what was the total cost of your steriod streak?
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Re: Felt pellets - Who has them? (nt)

Msg. 109720  Posted by jcbii on May 07, 1999 at 03:40:19:

In Reply to: Re: Felt pellets - Who has them? (nt) posted by LOU V.K. on May 06, 1999 at 09:18:10:

Just curious cause I will be needing to clean my gun soon. The regular cotton swabs you buy at the drug store will do a better job than the Beeman felt pellets? I thought I read somewhere to dip the felt pellets in solvent (suitable, of course) and shoot a couple at a time through the gun. If this doesn't work very well, then I will not waste anymore money on them.

Where do you get the surgical tubing?

Thanks for your post. (learn something new everyday)
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Re: Got my Supersport .22 cal today!!!!!

Msg. 109719  Posted by Mark Lemm on May 07, 1999 at 02:11:51:

In Reply to: Got my Supersport .22 cal today!!!!! posted by Jake Morris on May 06, 1999 at 23:25:12:

Jake where in Northern CA are you? Sounds like you're pretty far north because there has been no rain here in the Bay Area. I'm always interested in meeting other CA airgunners.

-Mark
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Re: Sheridan C9 Silver Streak with a steroid/ Billet modification

Msg. 109718  Posted by Mark Lemm on May 07, 1999 at 02:09:11:

In Reply to: Sheridan C9 Silver Streak with a steroid/ Billet modification posted by Tyler Hathaway on May 07, 1999 at 01:01:36:

If you want a pump up style gun it's one of the best you can buy. If you don't want to pump it won't matter how nice it is. Mine's or order and should be here in a few weeks. I already owned a streak from my teenage years so for me it was a easy decision. The Steriod would probably be more powerful previously posted numbers from someone else are below:

Steriod Streak .20
All of the below are 14 pumps:
Silver Arrow (11.2 grains): 854 fps
Silver Bear: (9.8 grains): 842 fps
Crow Magnum: (12.5 grains) 765 fps
Kodiak: (13.4 grains) 792 fps
Premier: (14.3 grains) 778 fps
Diablo: (14.4 grains) 825 fps
Silver Jet: (unk weight) 799 fps
Korean: (24.3 grains) 582 fps

It's pretty accurate andhas no recoil. Putting a scope on it can be a pain and make it more tricky to pump. Once you decide what type of gun you want to get and what caliber picking the model will be pretty easy.

-Mark
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Re: Wind Drift, precise terminology

Msg. 109717  Posted by carlos on May 07, 1999 at 01:36:13:

In Reply to: Re: Wind Drift, precise terminology posted by peteR on May 06, 1999 at 11:20:00:

Peter, according to my calculations, you have spent 625 hours or 26 days of your life loading, aiming and shooting pellets based upon 15 second firing cycle. How do you ever find the time to read the AGL forum? Billions of dollars spent on ballistic research and you answer has to be right. While I admit I haven't shot 150,000 pellets yet, I know there are as many variables in ballistics as there are individual airguns and individual pellets. Carlos
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Scuba tanks

Msg. 109716  Posted by Adam on May 07, 1999 at 01:11:24:

I have a Daystate PCP, I just got it 2 weeks ago so I was wondering if you can bring the gun (filled-charged), and the scuba tank to high altitudes such as Flagstaff, AZ (7000ft. above sea level) without danger?
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PVC breaks

Msg. 109715  Posted by Mac1 on May 07, 1999 at 01:10:22:

In Reply to: Re: Breech Seal Leak posted by Marty Jones on May 06, 1999 at 14:43:19:

Just fire a half dozen Eley wasps and if it is PVC it will probably snap.

Later

Tim

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Re: sell airgun

Msg. 109714  Posted by H. Todd on May 07, 1999 at 01:06:20:

In Reply to: sell airgun posted by CANN on May 07, 1999 at 00:33:06:

So what do you have? Cost, etc.? Tell us and you may have a sell!

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Too much?

Msg. 109713  Posted by Mac1 on May 07, 1999 at 01:04:24:

In Reply to: Is the ten pump limit phoney? posted by Fearon Steele on May 06, 1999 at 21:01:05:

In stockers you have to be kind to weak levers and don't take them up to the point where they fire twice without repumping. If you want real power get a real good mod or a real good gun. It is fairly pointless from a power standpoint to thrash it. You don't get much more when you toture the guns and they just wear out quick. But I fix them so thrash away.

Later

Tim

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Sheridan C9 Silver Streak with a steroid/ Billet modification

Msg. 109712  Posted by Tyler Hathaway on May 07, 1999 at 01:01:36:

I was considering Buying a Sheridan Sheridan C9 Silver Streak with a steroid/Billet modification, But im not sure about the performance of this
Air-Rifle. The only High standard Pellet Rifle I own is a BSA SS in 22. I was wondering how the Sheridan C9 Silver Streak with a steroid/ Billet modification would stand up against my BSA SS?
Thank You for taking the time in reading this message and anyone with any imformation on this subject would be greatlly appreciated!

-Tyler Hathaway
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Thats supposed to say DreamerS

Msg. 109711  Posted by rk on May 07, 1999 at 00:58:24:

In Reply to: Attention Tinkerers, Junk Collectors, and Dreamera! posted by rk on May 07, 1999 at 00:56:08:

...and yes, it's bolt action.

Why? Because I'm a bolt-action kind of guy!
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Attention Tinkerers, Junk Collectors, and Dreamera!

Msg. 109710  Posted by rk on May 07, 1999 at 00:56:08:

Okay,
From the many posts we've seen here, I have found that there seems to be quite a talented bunch here who possess an assortment of skills, especially when it comes to gunsmithing.

Secondly, we've seen people have A LOT of spare parts lying around, from barrels to springs, to carcasses of airguns of past.

Thirdly, we've all seemed to drool over the Stealth Arrow thingy- not sure if it's due to performance or smarmy looks.

Fourthly, uh... I think that's it.

No! Why do we collectively get our stuff and skills together and build our selves' a Frankenstein's Airgun!

Please click on my link... (that doesn't sound right, does it?)

It's a concept. A design. A dream. If you build it... it will shoot.

CAR-15 stocks are available at many places...
Stock fully adjustable with enhancements...
Yes, there's a PERMANENT moderator on it...
Variable power sources... 7 oz CO2... Buddy bottle PCP...
350 super-charged turbo, dual overhead CAM, posi-rear- I'm getting carried away now!
What do you want on it?

-rk

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Re: Is the ten pump limit phoney?

Msg. 109709  Posted by Andrew Leung on May 07, 1999 at 00:49:59:

In Reply to: Is the ten pump limit phoney? posted by Fearon Steele on May 06, 1999 at 21:01:05:

Generally it is best to make the most efficient use of your pump up by pumping up to where you get good velocity jumps BEFORE it tapers off. Thus for a Sharp for example, really 6-7 pumps will yield the most efficient pump/power output.

You just gotta play with it. I fequently don't pump up guns to Max as it is rather tripe to do so. Unless I get those REALLY far shots!
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http://www.airguns.null/class_ad.html (NT)

Msg. 109708  Posted by Tim A. on May 07, 1999 at 00:47:59:

In Reply to: sell airgun posted by CANN on May 07, 1999 at 00:33:06:

nt
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sell airgun

Msg. 109707  Posted by CANN on May 07, 1999 at 00:33:06:

Is there any ware on the inte.null, that I can sell my airgun.

Thank you: CANN

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Okay, okay...I'll have to order some, can't find any " real " pellets around here

Msg. 109706  Posted by Mike Adams on May 07, 1999 at 00:28:10:

In Reply to: Me, the pellets, the gun, or what? posted by Mike Adams on May 06, 1999 at 22:45:20:

All the sporting and gun shops don't carry anything in .20 but the Sheriden diablos.

Do these qualify? Thanks
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10M Inte.null Match #24

Msg. 109705  Posted by Mark Lisowski on May 07, 1999 at 00:23:42:

The scores for Match #24 are now posted on my
webpage. Congratulations to all the class winners.
Scores are now being accepted for Match #25 with
scores due no later than midnight May 15th.

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Re: Man, what a rifle! I just got my hw77k today.

Msg. 109704  Posted by Mark Lemm on May 07, 1999 at 00:20:29:

In Reply to: Man, what a rifle! I just got my hw77k today. posted by Luis Leon on May 06, 1999 at 22:33:46:

Hey Luis I got my used .22 77 not carbine from Airgun Express on Tuesday. You're right it's a great gun. Mine has a select LH stock and has been supertuned by Beeman. It's in great condition you can't even tell it's been used. I'm just going to keep it with iron sights probably peeps when I get around to it. I wanted a short range target and hunting rifle in .22 that I could used w/o a scope and the 77 is definitely it! Let's hear for 77 owners!

-Mark
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Re: Got my Supersport .22 cal today!!!!!

Msg. 109703  Posted by Jake Morris on May 07, 1999 at 00:15:40:

In Reply to: Re: Got my Supersport .22 cal today!!!!! posted by RBest on May 06, 1999 at 23:32:22:


If they give me any problems I'll get the B-square mounts. BSA needs to put standered rails on there guns, Weaver rails would be real nice. Will a Weaver stye ring clamp on to those 14mm rails or is Weaver a 16mm?
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Re: I sent JM a copy of the forum posting via email. : evidence

Msg. 109702  Posted by Jerry Rhodes on May 07, 1999 at 00:04:36:

In Reply to: Re: I sent JM a copy of the forum posting via email. : evidence posted by vZc on May 06, 1999 at 23:36:37:

V,

This may be a small world indeed. My great Grandmother on my mother's side was a Crawford. My wife's great grandfather from Opelika (sp) was a Crawford. I even named a son Crawford. My, My I hope that this possibility doesn't distress you too much. :-) Cousin.

Jerry

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Re: Sell my Hakkos?????? Come now

Msg. 109700  Posted by LOU V.K. on May 06, 1999 at 23:58:38:

In Reply to: Sell my Hakkos?????? Come now posted by H. Todd on May 06, 1999 at 22:56:30:


Like a gelding,I still try. If memory serves,two of those,one silver,and one in black came from me,indirectly. I have kicked myself ever after,for letting either of them get away.
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Re: tuning a Walther LP53

Msg. 109699  Posted by RBest on May 06, 1999 at 23:55:24:

In Reply to: tuning a Walther LP53 posted by Tom Wheeler on May 06, 1999 at 23:48:46:

Tom: you can use Beemans Chamber oil with leather seals. It's a silicone base developed with leather in mind. The gels don't offer anywhere near the wear protection that Jim Maccari's Tar offers. If you can't get any 'Tar'; try the high tack black open gear and chain lube available from industrial suppliers- they should contain Moly Disulfide. Russ
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tuning a Walther LP53

Msg. 109698  Posted by Tom Wheeler on May 06, 1999 at 23:48:46:

Is there a way to smooth out a waltherLP53? Would spring gel help or hurt? The manual says to oil the leather washer on the piston. What kind of oil should I use?Any other help or suggestions? Thanks
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Re: I sent JM a copy of the forum posting via email. : evidence

Msg. 109697  Posted by vZc on May 06, 1999 at 23:36:37:

In Reply to: Re: I sent JM a copy of the forum posting via email. nt. posted by Larry on May 06, 1999 at 21:42:32:

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Re: Got my Supersport .22 cal today!!!!!

Msg. 109696  Posted by RBest on May 06, 1999 at 23:32:22:

In Reply to: Got my Supersport .22 cal today!!!!! posted by Jake Morris on May 06, 1999 at 23:25:12:

Jake: those 3/8ths dovetail rings may cause problems. They aren't intended for the 14mm BSA rails. Russ
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Got my Supersport .22 cal today!!!!!

Msg. 109694  Posted by Jake Morris on May 06, 1999 at 23:25:12:

Ordered it last Thursday got it today. Awsome gun! Took off those ugly sights first thing. I shot all the pellets that came with it, then mounted a Bushnell Sportview Air 3-9X 32mm on it using regular rings for 3/8 inch dovetails. I sighted it in about a half inch high at 15 yards with Crossman pointed pellets (1/2 inch groups) and was easilly hitting can at 45 yards holding just a little over the top of the can. Sure packs a wallop compaired to my RWS 34 .177. I'll probably go ground squirrel hunting this weekend if it stops raining here in northern CA, I'll let you all know how it goes.
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Re: AirGunExpress RWS 48 .20 cal spec remains unchanged on WEB page ...

Msg. 109693  Posted by Billy on May 06, 1999 at 23:23:19:

In Reply to: Re: AirGunExpress RWS 48 .20 cal spec remains unchanged on WEB page ... posted by Wade on May 06, 1999 at 10:58:43:

Wade, I believe that you are corect about the 20 vs 22 velocity, however, my HW80 Maccari tuned to 800fps in 22 with premiers shoots 780+ in 20 with premiers. I believe that they weigh the same in both calibers.
Billy
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Re: silver aces in the box not the tins...even

Msg. 109692  Posted by M Boyle on May 06, 1999 at 23:14:48:

In Reply to: Re: my 20cal R1 loves ramjets and the old silver Aces: the ones in the box in the tins try kodiaks as well posted by M Boyle on May 06, 1999 at 23:11:50:


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Re: my 20cal R1 loves ramjets and the old silver Aces: the ones in the box in the tins try kodiaks as well

Msg. 109691  Posted by M Boyle on May 06, 1999 at 23:11:50:

In Reply to: Me, the pellets, the gun, or what? posted by Mike Adams on May 06, 1999 at 22:45:20:


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Absolutely Steve-- we're all certifiable!

Msg. 109690  Posted by RBest on May 06, 1999 at 22:59:07:

In Reply to: Re: Great minds think alike!! nt posted by Steve Parker on May 06, 1999 at 22:57:00:

and thanks for the " cat and the pill" story. Serious laughter followed! Russ
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Re: Great minds think alike!! nt

Msg. 109689  Posted by Steve Parker on May 06, 1999 at 22:57:00:

In Reply to: Re: Me, the pellets, the gun, or what? posted by RBest on May 06, 1999 at 22:52:07:



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Bill--- Honed owl? bet the owl wasn't happy!

Msg. 109688  Posted by RBest on May 06, 1999 at 22:56:37:

In Reply to: Wade, does this slippery stuff come from a " Honed " Owl, or a " Barn " Owl? :^) [nt] posted by Burris on May 06, 1999 at 22:40:56:

But then again- mink oil seems to work and it keeps my Stole(sp) shiny! :>) Russ
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Sell my Hakkos?????? Come now

Msg. 109687  Posted by H. Todd on May 06, 1999 at 22:56:30:

In Reply to: Re: We need to push Nightforce in to making a airgun scope posted by LOU V.K. on May 06, 1999 at 20:47:20:

Lou,
It and ever one I have seen for sale still reside here. I have had to buy rifles just to get the scope!

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Re: New TX on the way! Thanks

Msg. 109686  Posted by JMartin on May 06, 1999 at 22:55:44:

In Reply to: Re: New TX on the way! Thanks posted by MartinL on May 06, 1999 at 22:36:41:

.177 ...how much does the 'heavy' weigh?
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Re: Get arrested?(please read )WHAT postal regs???

Msg. 109685  Posted by pilkguns on May 06, 1999 at 22:55:20:

In Reply to: Re: Get arrested? I doubt it... (please read ) posted by dale w merrill sr on May 06, 1999 at 22:26:55:

Don't know what your reading at yourt PO, (would like to know chapter and verse) but My PO says, what I have known to be the regs for some time. Long gun firearms a legal from FFl holder to individual (or vice versa) although I have never been asked to show proof of FFL at any PO that I have shipped at, including various ones from different locations, Pistols and revolvers are in a differnt category and must go FFL holder to FFL holder, but again I have never been asked for proof of such. There are no restrictions on airguns, short or long, to their knowledge. Like I said, would like to see chapeter and verse on what they are showing you.

US Mail, Registered, is about the only way I would ship anything of great value,(in excess of $1500) both because the insurance cost and the accounatabiity for each individual handling it

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Re: New TX on the way! Thanks

Msg. 109684  Posted by JMartin on May 06, 1999 at 22:53:30:

In Reply to: Re: New TX on the way! Thanks posted by Bobcat on May 06, 1999 at 21:57:12:

I studied all the air gun stuff I could find for about 3 weeks...was set on a PCP gun until I ran across Paul Watts' and Jim Macs page. That research convinced me to go with a springer. I ordered through Jim Mac. I don't have an air gun now but wanted to get the best I could afford. After asking a bunch of questions in this forum, I decided on the TX, .177 cal.
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Re: Me, the pellets, the gun, or what?

Msg. 109683  Posted by Steve Parker on May 06, 1999 at 22:53:01:

In Reply to: Me, the pellets, the gun, or what? posted by Mike Adams on May 06, 1999 at 22:45:20:


Mike: This was discussed a littler farther down the page. There are a few possible reasons, but the bottom line is that different pellets will strike at a different point of impact. There really isn't any reason to keep switching back and forth between pellets. Find the most accurate one, sight in and keep on going. Accuracy is what matters most, whether you're hunting or plinking. HTH
Steve
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Ya gotta have a sense o humor ta put up wit dis kinda abuse! ;^) [nt]

Msg. 109682  Posted by Burris on May 06, 1999 at 22:52:52:

In Reply to: Re: Now Ralph,--- everybody knows that this is a PRIVATE forum! [nt] posted by Ralph on May 06, 1999 at 16:47:08:

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Re: Me, the pellets, the gun, or what?

Msg. 109681  Posted by Wade on May 06, 1999 at 22:52:36:

In Reply to: Me, the pellets, the gun, or what? posted by Mike Adams on May 06, 1999 at 22:45:20:

Get yourself some real pellets and throw those
pointy things away. Get Crosman Premiers or
Marksman Field Target Specials or something on
that order and stick to them. Stop switching
around or you'll never get it to shoot right.
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Re: RWS model 48 .177 views on it

Msg. 109680  Posted by Jeff on May 06, 1999 at 22:52:19:

In Reply to: Re: RWS model 48 .177 views on it posted by Chadd Thompson on May 06, 1999 at 20:50:58:

I had a 48/.177, got rid of it for a 48/.20, I wish I would have kept the 48/.177. I shot RWS superdomes and CP`s. Both shot great. I miss the speed and accuracy of the 48/.177. Enjoy your gun you have a very fine one. the CP`s were 7.9 gr. I zeroed 3/4 in. high at 25 yrds. It was right on at 60 yrds.
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Re: Me, the pellets, the gun, or what?

Msg. 109679  Posted by RBest on May 06, 1999 at 22:52:07:

In Reply to: Me, the pellets, the gun, or what? posted by Mike Adams on May 06, 1999 at 22:45:20:

Mike: I think it's your choice of pellets. First off, the weights you are shooting are pretty diverse and not close to each other. Secondly, pointed pellets just don't shoot like others do( or as accurately). Try to use the best pellets you can obtain for these guns. As Dr.Beeman has said " Inexpensive pellets are false economy". ( most of the time). Regards, Russ
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Re: Pellets

Msg. 109678  Posted by Jim Raymond on May 06, 1999 at 22:51:01:

In Reply to: Re: Pellets posted by RBest on May 06, 1999 at 22:03:54:

Amen to that,Russ,bought a batch a few years back because of the 'Mauser' lable, didn't take long to figure out they were better suited for sinkers. Still got about 450 of 'em in the tin. :-) Jim
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Re: Pellets

Msg. 109677  Posted by CJ on May 06, 1999 at 22:49:07:

In Reply to: Re: Pellets posted by RBest on May 06, 1999 at 22:03:54:

No I don't want to shoot them I was talking to a bud at work and he thought I was lying about copperclads. I bought a mix pac from {can't remember] HP's,Match,Domes, and those weird copperclads. Anyway just want to rub his nose in it it's worth the 4 bucks or ;]
He thinks airguns are BB guns you know the type.


lob'n lead

CJ
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Jerry, tried sulphur dipped pellets in wifes FWB-124-Stop- Wife says your butt is toast!-Stop. [nt]

Msg. 109676  Posted by Burris on May 06, 1999 at 22:48:10:

In Reply to: Re: Variations also exist from gun to gun, for example--- posted by Jerry G on May 06, 1999 at 19:49:35:

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Re: gives ..even

Msg. 109675  Posted by M Boyle on May 06, 1999 at 22:47:26:

In Reply to: Re: thats the Bamp;L ELite? goes to 50ft out of the box:cost ? Yes Iprobably can.I just don't know how much turning of the front bell it would end up taking to focus from 10 or so on out n/t posted by Anthony Storey on May 06, 1999 at 22:35:48:



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Thanks Dave. NT

Msg. 109674  Posted by RBest on May 06, 1999 at 22:47:02:

In Reply to: Is the ten pump limit phoney? posted by Fearon Steele on May 06, 1999 at 21:01:05:

nt
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Re: okee ,,thanks anthony ..give me more info to think of a good scope from the JW80 i ordered

Msg. 109673  Posted by M Boyle on May 06, 1999 at 22:46:39:

In Reply to: Re: thats the Bamp;L ELite? goes to 50ft out of the box:cost ? Yes Iprobably can.I just don't know how much turning of the front bell it would end up taking to focus from 10 or so on out n/t posted by Anthony Storey on May 06, 1999 at 22:35:48:



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Me, the pellets, the gun, or what?

Msg. 109671  Posted by Mike Adams on May 06, 1999 at 22:45:20:

I have been using my R-1 .20cal. for a couple of weeks now. It's scoped with a Weaver airgun/rimfire 4x15 cheapie. I am using Beeman Silver Bear and Silver sting pellets.

Here's what goes on. The silver bear pellets group well but to the right of the siver stings. This is consistant when sighted in with the stings. At 30 yards the bears are 2.5" to the right.

The same thing occurs with my .22cal. QB36 using Crossman Copperheads and then switching to the Gamo masterpoints or the Daisy max speeds.

In short, for me the wadcutters go right the pointeds go left. I just sighted in for the average and aim one way or the other depending on which pellet. What's up?

Thanks
signed,
Confused in California
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Re: Whistling Rabbits

Msg. 109670  Posted by RBest on May 06, 1999 at 22:44:15:

In Reply to: Whistling Rabbits posted by Marty Jones on May 05, 1999 at 13:21:06:

Marty: while I've never whistled at rabbits, I have done so with a couple Bunnies ! They like a large tip too! ( Are there any Playboy Clubs left?) Russ
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Re: Is the ten pump limit phoney?

Msg. 109669  Posted by DAS on May 06, 1999 at 22:43:09:

In Reply to: Is the ten pump limit phoney? posted by Fearon Steele on May 06, 1999 at 21:01:05:

Fearon,

The "real" limit will depend greatly on which model airgun is in question. For instance, self cocking airguns like the Crosman 130, 1300, 140, 1400 or the Sharp pneumatics can be pumped up beyond recommended limits with no fear of "locking up" the valve mechansim. Most airguns with knock open type exhaust valves can be "locked up" if over pumped.

Other considerations include overstressing pivot pins and lever & link assemblies. The current model Sheridan and 392/397 rifles are very prone to lever link breakage due to lack of pump lube and generally weak lever components.

Exhaust valves seals (especially current Benj/Sheridan ones) are very susceptable to failure due to their low durometer and the high unit load that they are subjected to (because of the newer valve seat geometry). In addition, excessive heat build up (due to over pumping) can fry certain valve materials.

So, an 8 or 10 pump limit is really quite subjective and depends on which airgun is under consideration. Here are my basic rules for some models:

Sharp Ace/Innova pneumatics: 10 pumps max.
Older Sheridan model C's: 10 pumps max.
Older Benj. rifles (312, 342, etc.): 8 pumps max.
Current Sheridans & 392/397's: 8 pumps max.
Crosman 140/1400 rifle's: 10 pumps max.
Crosman 130/1300 pistols: 12 pumps max.
Older Benjamin or Sheridan pistols: 10 pumps max.
Current Sheridan pistols: 8 pumps max.

Dave

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Wade, does this slippery stuff come from a " Honed " Owl, or a " Barn " Owl? :^) [nt]

Msg. 109668  Posted by Burris on May 06, 1999 at 22:40:56:

In Reply to: Re: Wade: what's your " new lube " ? nt posted by Wade on May 06, 1999 at 17:16:06:

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Re: will it work in a makarov?

Msg. 109667  Posted by Tom Wheeler on May 06, 1999 at 22:38:26:

In Reply to: Re: will it work in a makarov? posted by R Cape on May 06, 1999 at 12:17:22:

Also,the owners manual says do not use steel BB's.They do have a steel contact because of the ma.null.Your also right about the BB's that come with the gun,they are steel also. What is the deal with this? Will shooting steel BB's hurt the bore? Are lead BB's available? Thanks guys!
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Re: Man, what a rifle! I just got my hw77k today.

Msg. 109666  Posted by RBest on May 06, 1999 at 22:38:05:

In Reply to: Man, what a rifle! I just got my hw77k today. posted by Luis Leon on May 06, 1999 at 22:33:46:

Luis: rubber rats, eh? Got any more 'Rubber" toys we should know about? Seriously though- the -77's were always a handsome and accurate gun. Russ
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Re: New TX on the way! Thanks

Msg. 109665  Posted by MartinL on May 06, 1999 at 22:36:41:

In Reply to: New TX on the way! Thanks posted by JMartin on May 06, 1999 at 21:11:09:

I have the MK4 in .177 with a Trophy 6x18,,,it dots a pattern absolutely great out to 50 yrds! I shoot CP heavies, the heavies carry the distance with less wind drift. JM suggested that the Marksman FTS pellets were good in these guns as well. What caliber is your gun? ml
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Re: thats the Bamp;L ELite? goes to 50ft out of the box:cost ? Yes Iprobably can.I just don't know how much turning of the front bell it would end up taking to focus from 10 or so on out n/t

Msg. 109664  Posted by Anthony Storey on May 06, 1999 at 22:35:48:

In Reply to: Re: thats the Bamp;L ELite 4200 Elite 36X40mm ..even NT anthony storey can you tweak it ? goes to 50ft out of the box:cost ? posted by M Boyle on May 06, 1999 at 20:41:07:

nt
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Man, what a rifle! I just got my hw77k today.

Msg. 109663  Posted by Luis Leon on May 06, 1999 at 22:33:46:

What a solid gun, I love the balance. I've temporarily put the only airgun riflescope I own a 2x-7x tasco on it. Am going to shop around for a scope. I want to definitely keep the scope at less than 13 inches... I don't want to destroy the handling characteristics of the carbine... It shoots really hard, I thought that it was less powerful than the rws34, but it definitely shoots harder. When the pellets are smacking into the silohuettes or the background, when I miss, they make a loud thwacking sound...

I work at home, so I've been constantly looking out the window for the UPS man. When she arrived today, I was torned between work, or going out to play with the new toy. So while printing a large file, and before my wife could bat an eye, I snuck out of the office, mounted my scope and was out in back shooting. After sighting it in at 50 ft. I proceeded to take head shots at my rubber rats at 30, 40, 45 yards... These where from a sitting position, with my back against a wall. Was only able to shoot about 50 shots.

Am taking her out back in the morning to do some more shooting, can't wait for the next silohuette match at the Dutchess Pistol Club.

Bebother, confusticated and very happy,

Luis
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Re: Pellets-- conversely

Msg. 109662  Posted by RBest on May 06, 1999 at 22:28:16:

In Reply to: Re: Pellets posted by Ron B on May 06, 1999 at 22:15:36:

Ron: conversely- the NEW chinese pellets are super ! I've tested the wadcutters, domes and Pointeds, and they are direct ( and possibly BETTER)copies of RWS Superdomes, Superpoints and Meisterkugelns- in two weights no less! I currently have my Marksman 45, BSF S70 and S80 sighted in with them ( domes) . Russ
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Re: Get arrested? I doubt it... (please read )

Msg. 109661  Posted by dale w merrill sr on May 06, 1999 at 22:26:55:

In Reply to: Re: Get arrested? I doubt it... (please read ) posted by DAS on May 06, 1999 at 13:53:27:

The airguns were listed as firearms.And as i said the post office will take it here but dont get caught by the big boys from the USPO. DALE
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Re: New TX on the way! Thanks

Msg. 109660  Posted by Mark Lemm on May 06, 1999 at 22:25:19:

In Reply to: New TX on the way! Thanks posted by JMartin on May 06, 1999 at 21:11:09:

I'd look at the B&L Elite 3000 5x15x50 it's an awesome scope and would be great with that rifle. It's less than $300 too. Check out bearbasin.com or wholesalehunter.com.

-Mark
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Re: Beeman R1 Muzzle Brake. Venom too!

Msg. 109659  Posted by Ron B on May 06, 1999 at 22:21:54:

In Reply to: Re: Beeman R1 Muzzle Brake. Venom too! posted by av on May 06, 1999 at 21:26:48:

Check throught the liinks at the top of page 'forum'

Ron
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Re: Pellets

Msg. 109658  Posted by Ron B on May 06, 1999 at 22:15:36:

In Reply to: Re: Pellets posted by RBest on May 06, 1999 at 22:03:54:

There you go again Russ, just like a Politician, "Government by Polling". (just ribbing);~)

Boy some of those Chinese pellets were sorry

Ron
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Re: .177 RX1

Msg. 109657  Posted by daveg on May 06, 1999 at 22:05:34:

In Reply to: Re: RX1-pro elite reviews posted by RBest on May 06, 1999 at 18:26:17:

Yes I was thinking of the .177 RX1.
Just fishing around for info.I find it hard to
imagine picking the TX when this gun here is
a lot faster and you don't have to worry
about spring breakage either.How much more
accurate can the TX be over the RX1.Please
excuse all my questions,I am new in this sport
and I just don't want to end up wishing I had
purchased something else.I'm willing to go about
$500 without the scope.I know the tuned R9
is great for around $350.I am just trying to
find out how much more gun I could buy for
that extra $150.
Thanx for all who answer me.I am sure they have
been where I am right now

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Re: Is the ten pump limit phoney?

Msg. 109656  Posted by Mike Reames on May 06, 1999 at 22:04:18:

In Reply to: Is the ten pump limit phoney? posted by Fearon Steele on May 06, 1999 at 21:01:05:

Sometimes there is a point of diminishing return. If you chrono near the top end limit of the gun, and keep going, you may not get enough velocity to justify the energy you expend. If I am pumping my gun before each shot, I want maximum return on my investment! Mike
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Re: Pellets

Msg. 109655  Posted by RBest on May 06, 1999 at 22:03:54:

In Reply to: Pellets posted by CJ on May 06, 1999 at 22:01:01:

CJ: you want more copper clad pellets? Those were voted the worst pellets made ( right under the original Shanghai pellets in the small white container). Russ
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Re: Half-time show. Don't give up so easy Edith!

Msg. 109654  Posted by RBest on May 06, 1999 at 22:01:24:

In Reply to: Re: Half-time show posted by The Airgun Letter on May 06, 1999 at 11:34:06:

Edith: call in the A Team or Wade Sutherland! My own version of that trick involves an overhead projector and a magnified fly! RB
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Pellets

Msg. 109653  Posted by CJ on May 06, 1999 at 22:01:01:

I bought some Mauser pellets some years back.They
had some that were copperclad. Does anyone know where I can get Mauser pellets now?

Keep lob'n lead

CJ
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Re: New TX on the way! Thanks

Msg. 109652  Posted by Bobcat on May 06, 1999 at 21:57:12:

In Reply to: New TX on the way! Thanks posted by JMartin on May 06, 1999 at 21:11:09:

Assuming you investigated thoroughly on a reputable mail order house, who did you order through and why?
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or maybe you're squeezing the gun TOO hard......

Msg. 109651  Posted by RBest on May 06, 1999 at 21:51:47:

In Reply to: wade-- uhh , the gun leaps forward at 30 fps?? posted by RBest on May 06, 1999 at 21:49:40:

causing a restriction in the springs fwd. motion. Only Kidding again! RB
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wade-- uhh , the gun leaps forward at 30 fps??

Msg. 109650  Posted by RBest on May 06, 1999 at 21:49:40:

In Reply to: Re: I'm conducting a test on a new lube and... posted by Wade on May 06, 1999 at 17:14:55:

Only kidding. Russ
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Re: Wade: what's your " new lube " ? nt

Msg. 109649  Posted by RBest on May 06, 1999 at 21:47:22:

In Reply to: Re: Wade: what's your " new lube " ? nt posted by Wade on May 06, 1999 at 17:16:06:

Wade: I have used KEL 110 super silicone and Lube One on some springer pellets, and didn't notice any dieseling, but then again, I wasn't being too scientific about it either. I'm interested. Russ
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Re: I sent JM a copy of the forum posting via email. nt.

Msg. 109648  Posted by Larry on May 06, 1999 at 21:42:32:

In Reply to: I sent JM a copy of the forum posting via email. nt. posted by vZc on May 06, 1999 at 20:46:52:

Ya right!
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Re: Is the ten pump limit phoney? Ask Mac-1

Msg. 109647  Posted by RBest on May 06, 1999 at 21:40:19:

In Reply to: Re: Is the ten pump limit phoney? Ask Mac-1 posted by Ron B on May 06, 1999 at 21:34:48:

Ron: Tims' a hoot to talk to. He gets genuinely excited about the things he ( and Larry) create, and for good reason. It Works! Regards, Russ
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Re: Is the ten pump limit phoney? Ask Mac-1

Msg. 109646  Posted by Ron B on May 06, 1999 at 21:34:48:

In Reply to: Re: Is the ten pump limit phoney? Ask Mac-1 posted by RBest on May 06, 1999 at 21:09:02:

I talked with Tim (MAC-1) at the Little Rock show. While I was there he explained to a man the billet lever, new rod and piston and for the Serridan style guns.

If I were to buy one, my intensions would be at the first sign of trouble, send it to MAC-1

Ron
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Re: Say WHAT ??????

Msg. 109645  Posted by Bill B. on May 06, 1999 at 21:30:23:

In Reply to: Re: Say WHAT ?????? posted by A-TEAM-RAY on May 05, 1999 at 23:57:51:

Moi?

B.
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Re: Beeman R1 Muzzle Brake. Venom too!

Msg. 109644  Posted by av on May 06, 1999 at 21:26:48:

In Reply to: Re: Beeman R1 Muzzle Brake. Venom too! posted by RBest on May 04, 1999 at 22:21:26:

How do I get intouch with Jim Macarri, and mac-1. How do I find some more info on Venom brakes? Thanks
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Re: I give up...What's a rabbit stick???

Msg. 109643  Posted by Rusty on May 06, 1999 at 21:22:44:

In Reply to: Re: I give up...What's a rabbit stick??? NT posted by Stocky on May 06, 1999 at 11:41:48:

You could even call it a boomerang that won't come back.
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Re: New TX on the way! Thanks

Msg. 109642  Posted by RBest on May 06, 1999 at 21:14:11:

In Reply to: New TX on the way! Thanks posted by JMartin on May 06, 1999 at 21:11:09:

JM: you have one FINE airgun on the way. TX's are designed with Premiers in mind. I have found Beeman Trophy's to be excellent in them too. Russ
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New TX on the way! Thanks

Msg. 109641  Posted by JMartin on May 06, 1999 at 21:11:09:

Hey I posted a message a few days ago about PE vs TX200 and received MANY great replies. Well I ordered MK V in walnut today and should have in 5 days! Can't wait to start busting pigeons!! thanks for all the answers..what's best pellet and does anyone have an opinion about the Bushnell 6-18x? This gun deserves a good scope so fire away with under $300 answer. Thanks.
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Re: Is the ten pump limit phoney? Ask Mac-1

Msg. 109640  Posted by RBest on May 06, 1999 at 21:09:02:

In Reply to: Is the ten pump limit phoney? posted by Fearon Steele on May 06, 1999 at 21:01:05:

Fearon: I know teens who have had exactly the opposite effect on their overpumped guns. They wrecked every single one of them. Most of them used 12 to 14 pumps. ( they are now into paintball instead of pneumatics). I think Tim from Mac-1 posted some guidelines about this activity some time ago. Basically- overpumping is NOT a good idea with stock guns. Even if nothing else fails, the lever will bite the bullet eventually-- which is why his billet steel lever was invented. Also, the stock seal's are too soft to continually take the abuse. Some guns won't exhaust the overpressure completely either. Regards, Russ
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Sheridan pump pistol vs Beeman single pump

Msg. 109639  Posted by JR on May 06, 1999 at 21:07:49:

Is it really like apples and oranges? Are the
pump pistols as accurate as the hard to cock P-3?
The 50th aniversary brass pistol is pretty but will
it perform like a P-3 and do you have to pump 8-10
times to get velocity?
Thanks
JR


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Re: To 3 Degree Ballistic Wolfie

Msg. 109638  Posted by Wolfesbane on May 06, 1999 at 21:05:55:

In Reply to: To 3 Degree Ballistic Wolfie posted by Jim Baumann on May 06, 1999 at 12:40:06:


History: The first "Modern Ballstics" was dne by Krup(the German arms and steel conglomerate), followed by research by the Italians(Sciacci) and the Hungaro-Russians(Mayefski). After the First World War, this data was translated by Col. Ingalls and published in 1923(the same time the Model T Ford was produced.) Due to terrible inacuracies in both the translation, and the mixed data,the US gov't funded and started research at the Aberdeen Proving Grounds(now known as the US Ballistics Research Lab) in the early Thirties. This research established a new model for air drag known the "G Functions". These drag functions were also modeled on a specific projectile shape. G-1 is for a military spitzer(ogive=5-6). G-2 is for boat-tails, and s on. In he Fifties more research was done with the advent of high-speed photography and computers. Most of this was "Top Secret" then, but decasified in the Seventies and Eighties because it was no longer of importance. Now, with the availability of computers to anyone, the latest Ballistic information is available to anyone who cares to look for it. Dr. Art Pejsas program is for sale for $25.00.
In the area of windage, no algorithm can deal with all the variables. We, asballisticians, can only give a close approximation to what will happen in YOUR conditions.
Your attack on, or denigration of my academic and professional acheivments is sad, but endemic in society.
As to laughter, I sent a listing of your posts to my peers, and yes, they are laughing. A " Bauman" has entered the vernacular now. You should be proud.
Ps. The bullet in your post was 1 inch in dia, 3 inches intotal length, with a two calibre ogive. Not much use for small arms. One of the reasons Ingalls tables wre done away with in the Thirties.
When you post falsehoods,inaccuracies, and flat-out BS, I will "get at you". I expect anyone else with better data or information to do the same to me.
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Re: ld's spirit lives on

Msg. 109637  Posted by wved on May 06, 1999 at 21:04:14:

In Reply to: ld's spirit lives on posted by LOU V.K. on May 06, 1999 at 18:29:14:

I liked LDs spirit! LD doesn't need me to speak for him, but kickin' a guy when he can't respond ain't cool! I'm aware that some didn't like his style, and I respect their opinions, but I miss LDs "how to" and "why it's done" posts. Interesting that some who complained the loudest about LD haven't added much to the forum since he's was banned. Why is this, was it all a conspiracy to get LD banned because he called 'em as he saw 'em and stepped on some toes? LD is always very generous with his knowledge, has a passion for airguns and a passion for protecting our rights as law-abiding gun owners. IMHO, the "spirit of LD" slaps are a rotten way to treat a fellow airgunner who loves our sport and gives so freely! Respectfully, wved
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RCBS Electronic Partner made by PACT in Texas ...

Msg. 109636  Posted by vZc on May 06, 1999 at 21:02:52:

In Reply to: Re: try Crosman Premiers 7.9 gr. , SilverBears or Marksman Hollow Point,... posted by RBest on May 06, 1999 at 20:50:54:

... Tanita 1210 @ $350 is 50 carat capacity scale with sub 0.1 grain accuracy.
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Re: Methane method ll ( approved by Greenpeace)

Msg. 109635  Posted by RBest on May 06, 1999 at 21:02:41:

In Reply to: Re: Methane method posted by LOU V.K. on May 06, 1999 at 20:25:25:

Lou: it might- BUT-- I'd have to contaminate a small enclosed room, vacuum pump it's entire atmosphere into a container then compress the contained affluents. I would also then be banned from shooting at ERP ! Got another thought-- how about I do away with the moderator and install a mini catalytic converter instead ?! Emissions would be little more than water vapor! heh he RB
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Is the ten pump limit phoney?

Msg. 109634  Posted by Fearon Steele on May 06, 1999 at 21:01:05:

Most of you who have bought a new Crosman/Benjamin or Daisy know how they say not to pump the gun more then 10 times right? Well why have so many of my friends owned these types of rifles for years, often pumping them 15- 20 times without experiencing any trouble? Maybe it's 10 pumps because that's definately safe while 15 is probably O.K. (warranty stuff)? Any other takes on this?
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Your problem not mine nt

Msg. 109633  Posted by Tyler hathaway on May 06, 1999 at 20:59:10:

In Reply to: Re: That was a Bad A$$ sight! good work! NT posted by RBest on May 06, 1999 at 19:57:14:

nt
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'' ... the boy must be a frustrated cryptographer. '' : true statement..

Msg. 109632  Posted by vZc on May 06, 1999 at 20:57:00:

In Reply to: ld's spirit lives on posted by LOU V.K. on May 06, 1999 at 18:29:14:

... I 've written cryptanalysis in IBM APL2 that was faster than hand coded assembler (machine code): A world class APL2 mathematical programmer in my own mine !

Just ignore my feeble efforts at communications.
If somebody else picks up on a topic, then try deciphering the verbage.
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Re: BENJAMIN 22-HOW ACCURATE?

Msg. 109631  Posted by Bob G. on May 06, 1999 at 20:53:39:

In Reply to: Re: BENJAMIN 22-HOW ACCURATE? posted by Joel on May 04, 1999 at 21:19:59:

I have a Ben 392 and have mounted a bushnell 3x9x32ao. How I did this is, I used an intermount but redrilled and tapped new larger threads 8/32 and recessed the heads of the allen head bolts. This is used as the front mount, the rear mount is home made. I got a piece of scrap steel angle 3/8 thick both sides 2 inches each side, and began filing and cutting in tell it fit. On the top of this piece I filed grooves for the rings to ingage. To mount this to the gun I took out the bolt and drilled and tapped the peepsight holes to 8/32. This works well for me. Not to brag, but I regularly hit pigoens at 50+ yards and squirrels at 40 yards.
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Re: Simmons Pro Air Scopes ?

Msg. 109630  Posted by Dr. J. on May 06, 1999 at 20:52:29:

In Reply to: Simmons Pro Air Scopes ? posted by Eric Field on May 06, 1999 at 16:02:45:

I haven't used the Simmons Pro Air but you might be interested to know that Simmons makes the RWS 450 3-9x40 and other scopes for RWS. The 450 is quite bright and surprisingly sharp and will focus down to about 18 feet. I put one on a Chinese 97 (940 fps) so far so good. I like the Bushnell Trophy 4-12x40 which has very sharp optics for its price and compares with scopes costing twice as much. Simmons, by the way, makes high end rifle scopes that are as good as Leupold Vari X III on firearms. My Simmons Gold Medal Silhouette 6.5-20 x40 is one of the sharpest scopes I've ever seen. I don't know how durable the Pro Air scopes are but simmons can make superb scopes. In addition, I had a cheap Simmons break from abuse and Simmons fixed it for free! A fine company. Dr. J.
P>S The RWS 450 is overstock special now at dramatic savings.
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Re: RWS model 48 .177 views on it

Msg. 109629  Posted by Chadd Thompson on May 06, 1999 at 20:50:58:

In Reply to: RWS model 48 .177 views on it posted by dean on May 06, 1999 at 20:14:58:

I have found that the RWS super mags 9.5grs and the beeman Kodiaks 10.5grs both shoot well im my 48 .177. These are both heavy pellets.
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Re: try Crosman Premiers 7.9 gr. , SilverBears or Marksman Hollow Point,...

Msg. 109628  Posted by LOU V.K. on May 06, 1999 at 20:50:57:

In Reply to: try Crosman Premiers 7.9 gr. , SilverBears or Marksman Hollow Point,... posted by vZc on May 06, 1999 at 20:44:42:


Hey Vern, are you illiterate? The man said that the only pellets available in his country were by Diana,( RWS to you).If he could get others,he would not have any question for us to answer.
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Re: try Crosman Premiers 7.9 gr. , SilverBears or Marksman Hollow Point,...

Msg. 109627  Posted by RBest on May 06, 1999 at 20:50:54:

In Reply to: try Crosman Premiers 7.9 gr. , SilverBears or Marksman Hollow Point,... posted by vZc on May 06, 1999 at 20:44:42:

VZC: which scale do you use? I know you posted it some time back, but I really should replace the busted one that's been hanging around here forever. Regards, Russ
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Re: We need to push Nightforce in to making a airgun scope

Msg. 109626  Posted by LOU V.K. on May 06, 1999 at 20:47:20:

In Reply to: Re: We need to push Nightforce in to making a airgun scope posted by Anthony Storey on May 06, 1999 at 20:27:53:


You need never worry about me getting rid of my Hakko. As you can see,I am looking for more of them,and,Kicking my own ass for letting one get away to Jim Dailey,then,on to Hawley,where I think it still resides,and,I do want it back,but,can't seem to find anything to tweek his interest enough to get him to part with it.
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I sent JM a copy of the forum posting via email. nt.

Msg. 109625  Posted by vZc on May 06, 1999 at 20:46:52:

In Reply to: Warning,J.M. is still here.;-) posted by LOU V.K. on May 06, 1999 at 19:59:16:

.
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Re: Simmons Pro Air Scopes ?

Msg. 109624  Posted by BWong on May 06, 1999 at 20:46:05:

In Reply to: Re: Simmons Pro Air Scopes ? posted by Adam on May 06, 1999 at 19:00:15:

Eric,

I placed a 4-12X 40mm on a 22 cal Pro Elite. Seems to work fine for now. Not bad for a scope that is under $200.

Regards

Brian
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try Crosman Premiers 7.9 gr. , SilverBears or Marksman Hollow Point,...

Msg. 109623  Posted by vZc on May 06, 1999 at 20:44:42:

In Reply to: RWS model 48 .177 views on it posted by dean on May 06, 1999 at 20:14:58:

... Marksman FTS, and other standard RWS pellets (SuperMag,SuperPoint Extras(8.3 gr.

My 3 rifles have been small bore .177s.

Large diameter & heavy Beeman pellets did 'nt shoot well in these guns.

Buy a sampler pack and make your own judgements.

Digital scales & a chronograph ($175 budget) will eliminate ambiguity about pellets & rifle performance.
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Re: thats the Bamp;L ELite 4200 Elite 36X40mm ..even NT anthony storey can you tweak it ? goes to 50ft out of the box:cost ?

Msg. 109622  Posted by M Boyle on May 06, 1999 at 20:41:07:

In Reply to: Re: push Nightforce in to making a airgun scope: phone is 1 425-656-1577 posted by M Boyle on May 06, 1999 at 20:26:21:


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Re: Simmons Pro Air Scope...6-18X40?????

Msg. 109620  Posted by Stocky on May 06, 1999 at 20:37:12:

In Reply to: Re: Simmons Pro Air Scopes ? posted by Adam on May 06, 1999 at 19:00:15:

I got the 6-18X40, it's great.
Don't see how you can beat it for the price!
I don't know how strong it is...it's on an R-7 right now, and will probably ride a 707 for a while next week....and both aren't that big a test.
Someone else would be telling you a whole lot more if they've got experience with it on something with real kick.
Comments Anyone???
Stocky
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Re: We need to push Nightforce in to making a airgun scope

Msg. 109619  Posted by Anthony Storey on May 06, 1999 at 20:27:53:

In Reply to: Re: We need to push Nightforce in to making a airgun scope posted by LOU V.K. on May 06, 1999 at 17:56:13:


50 scopes? when I was at the Nightforce booth at the 99 SHOT SHOW Leon and I counted their orders the best we could, in about 30 minutes they had customers order 13 scopes that we could keep track of.They were busy like this every time we went past.(maybe 4 times).We never heard anyone mention airgun.The people I am trying to negotiate with now,want me to place an order for 200 cheap scopes or 20,000 dollars worth of the higher dollar stuff.(they refuse to sell me any parts)They will not guarantee delivery times not even within 18 months and they want a 50% deposit.The best I can figure I would be better off going into the Chopstick business if I want to eat.At this time the manufacturers I talked to do not feel the $600 plus airgun scope market is worth venturing into.I would think there are more firearms shooters in a 10 mile radius of Indianapolis than there are airgunners in Indiana and 1 surrounding state.It would be nice to know for sure what the numbers are.BTW Lou I have 1 30x56 HAKKO style scope(built by my guys) put back, that has the win-dot el-dot reticle with spacing for windage and elevation hold off,the dots are fine and the spacing is about 1/2 inch from dot to dot at 25 yards.The scope has never been mounted on a rifle the tube diameter is 1 inch for easy mounting and the optics are as good as any I have seen.The price or at least the value to me -- $750.I turned down $650 at the SHOT SHOW.Hang onto your old Hakko.

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Re: push Nightforce in to making a airgun scope: phone is 1 425-656-1577

Msg. 109618  Posted by M Boyle on May 06, 1999 at 20:26:21:

In Reply to: Re: We need to push Nightforce in to making a airgun scope posted by LOU V.K. on May 06, 1999 at 20:03:33:

i talked to jeff hubert..last name mybe wrong. he was willing to try and tweak it down but said there 3.3x 15x and 5.5x 22 that he sugested. would only goto 18 to 20yards..he's willing to tweak them atleast. if they know theres a market they may try it again. if you call them and do there phone dance to techsuport\sales jeff may answer the phone if they know theres a market they may jump..i told him when there website was up and running to do a servay at this forum and some others...i may end up with a B&L BR 36x40mm Elite and A Storey can tweak it. to 30yard it can do 50ft out of the Box..oh well.. BRB he said i was only the second person to ask about airguns scopes!
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Re: Methane method

Msg. 109617  Posted by LOU V.K. on May 06, 1999 at 20:25:25:

In Reply to: Methane method posted by RBest on May 06, 1999 at 19:52:53:


Perhaps if you bought Wade's little compressor,you could compress this affluent,install an ignition system in conjunction with the trigger of one of your PCP rifles,and, get started on a PCP version of a Barricuda. Think it might work?
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Re: Spot on Pete

Msg. 109616  Posted by RBest on May 06, 1999 at 20:24:39:

In Reply to: Re: Spot on Pete posted by John M on May 06, 1999 at 12:54:55:

John: see ! If we stick around long enough, we all pick up some little 'gems'. :>) Russ
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Re: RWS model 48 .177 views on it

Msg. 109615  Posted by LOU V.K. on May 06, 1999 at 20:17:36:

In Reply to: RWS model 48 .177 views on it posted by dean on May 06, 1999 at 20:14:58:


The Superdomes will probably work best in all cases.
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Re: Russ, I've read your recipie....................

Msg. 109614  Posted by RBest on May 06, 1999 at 20:16:22:

In Reply to: Russ, I've read your recipie.................... posted by Ron B on May 06, 1999 at 20:12:17:

Good one Ron! As a matter of fact, I have the Recipe that won at Terlingua in 1997. Gotta make it one of these days. BTW, I've made "killa" venison chili too! The guys at work used to fight over who was going to steal it before lunch. Russ
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RWS model 48 .177 views on it

Msg. 109613  Posted by dean on May 06, 1999 at 20:14:58:

I recently bought a rws 48 .177 and would
appriciate any comments on its accuracy and
power,and any results of different pellet
types tested ,all I have available in my
country seems to be diana (roundnose,superpoint,
high power) Is this gun and these pellets any good
for hunting small animals,eg.birds slightly larger
than a crow and tree squirrels.
thankfull for any replys.New owner

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Russ, I've read your recipie....................

Msg. 109612  Posted by Ron B on May 06, 1999 at 20:12:17:

In Reply to: Re: Methane method. May the sacred cow leave a Holy Relic on your lawn ! :) posted by RBest on May 06, 1999 at 20:03:01:

In Texas if you know beans about chili, you know chili has no beans.

In my misspent youth, I cooked Chili 'on the tour'. Actually cooked twice in the World Championship in Terlingua.

Cooked armadillo chili for one contest, made the mistake of putting a road kill rabbit in. Make no mistake, it wasn't that old, the blood wasn't even dry. Judge found some fur in the chili.

You might say I lost by a hare.

Ron
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Lou: Laughter is good for the soul. NT

Msg. 109611  Posted by RBest on May 06, 1999 at 20:12:11:

In Reply to: Hey Russel posted by LOU V.K. on May 06, 1999 at 20:08:55:

nt
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Hey Russel

Msg. 109610  Posted by LOU V.K. on May 06, 1999 at 20:08:55:

In Reply to: Methane method posted by RBest on May 06, 1999 at 19:52:53:


I seldom find anything to laugh about,any more,but,you have me laughing so hard that I have tears running down my cheeks about this one.
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Re: We need to push Nightforce in to making a airgun scope

Msg. 109609  Posted by LOU V.K. on May 06, 1999 at 20:03:33:

In Reply to: Re: We need to push Nightforce in to making a airgun scope posted by RBest on May 06, 1999 at 19:59:47:


YUP!!!!!!! Just like Hawley Todd,Wade Sutherland,and,a few more,that know what a GOOD scope is,yourself included,if memory serves.
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Re: Methane method. May the sacred cow leave a Holy Relic on your lawn ! :)

Msg. 109608  Posted by RBest on May 06, 1999 at 20:03:01:

In Reply to: Re: Methane method posted by Ron B on May 06, 1999 at 19:57:00:

Ron: my feelings are hurt- you didn't ask for the recipe ! Ha ha Russ
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Re: We need to push Nightforce in to making a airgun scope

Msg. 109607  Posted by RBest on May 06, 1999 at 19:59:47:

In Reply to: Re: We need to push Nightforce in to making a airgun scope posted by LOU V.K. on May 06, 1999 at 18:54:11:

Lou: Hakko's ? Plural? You hoarder you! RB
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Warning,J.M. is still here.;-)

Msg. 109606  Posted by LOU V.K. on May 06, 1999 at 19:59:16:

Early this morning,I posted a response to vZc,pertaining to the choking of barrels,and,my personal opinion that the only reason for a choke on a rifle barrel is to correct the damage that will occur to a lead projectile by most commercial quality barrels.I almost immediately received an e-mail from Jim Maccari,correcting me.It is Jim's position that with piston guns,they become harsh,and damage springs and piston crowns if they are not choked. I had no basis for rejoinder,until I checked some of my rifles. I *very rarely* disagree with Jim on things technical,pertaining to piston guns,as he is IMHO,a MASTER of his craft. In this case,I discovered,( again ),that I have three piston guns that have non choked barrels from the factory.These are not modified rifles. I have a Webley Tracker,a Theoben Scirroco,and a Theoben Eliminator that neither have chokes,nor,are they overly harsh. His statement to me,that a choke free barrel will contribute to piston crown damage just might explain why I have had to replace the crown in this old Eliminator seven times. It is such a nuisance that I rarely ever shoot it any more. I guess that I have to defer to him,somewhat,on this one.
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Re: That was a Bad A$$ sight! good work! NT

Msg. 109605  Posted by RBest on May 06, 1999 at 19:57:14:

In Reply to: Re: That was a Bad A$$ sight! good work! NT posted by LOU V.K. on May 06, 1999 at 19:40:51:

Lou; It may be a local access problem or AOL. Compuserve works fine, and both my ISP's use Inte.null Exploder 4.0 RB
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Re: Methane method

Msg. 109604  Posted by Ron B on May 06, 1999 at 19:57:00:

In Reply to: Methane method posted by RBest on May 06, 1999 at 19:52:53:

Russ,

Could we have the facts; velocity; pellet weight?

Ron ;-()
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Re: Can a R1 be used for FT

Msg. 109603  Posted by Mark Lemm on May 06, 1999 at 19:55:09:

In Reply to: Re: Can a R1 be used for FT posted by LOU V.K. on May 06, 1999 at 08:02:21:

Sorry Lou it was late when I posted and I should have been more precise. A person with an R1 would compete in standard pistion or modifed pistion I believe but you wouldn't have to shoot against guys shooting PCP's. If you're a good shot I think you can be as competive as the next guy no matter what type of gun you have. I'll try to be more precise with my posting in the future. Thanks for keeping me on my toes!

-Mark
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Special Moderator used

Msg. 109602  Posted by RBest on May 06, 1999 at 19:54:43:

In Reply to: Methane method posted by RBest on May 06, 1999 at 19:52:53:

Called 'Depends!" Double up for even more silence! heh heh RB
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Methane method

Msg. 109601  Posted by RBest on May 06, 1999 at 19:52:53:

In Reply to: Re: Just the facts with sources if possible ....... posted by Wade on May 06, 1999 at 18:28:19:

Lou: I've often fired my springers in a methane atmosphere, after eating my Airgunners Chili !:>) RB
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Why do you think they call it........

Msg. 109600  Posted by Ron B on May 06, 1999 at 19:52:25:

In Reply to: Re: Just the facts with sources if possible ....... posted by LOU V.K. on May 06, 1999 at 18:49:47:

DOPE

Ron
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Re: Variations also exist from gun to gun, for example---

Msg. 109599  Posted by Jerry G on May 06, 1999 at 19:49:35:

In Reply to: Re: Variations also exist from gun to gun, for example--- posted by Burris on May 06, 1999 at 14:50:46:

Try dipping the base of your pellets in sulphur.
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Re: Just the facts with sources if possible .......

Msg. 109598  Posted by wved on May 06, 1999 at 19:44:49:

In Reply to: Re: Just the facts with sources if possible ....... posted by LOU V.K. on May 06, 1999 at 18:18:14:

Hi Lou! I wasn't kidding about the posts being entertaining, and I really do enjoy them! I'm so simple minded that I usually don't know what the question is, much less what the answer was. So far I've learned that mortally wounded squirrels die and I can tell ifn my gun won't shoot good before I shoot it, by measurin' the parts to see if they're "in-spec". Oh well, I'm glad that all I have to do is shoot at a target to see if the gun shoots straight, 'cause measurin' sounds real borin' to me! :-) TIC wved
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Re: That was a Bad A$$ sight! good work! NT

Msg. 109597  Posted by LOU V.K. on May 06, 1999 at 19:40:51:

In Reply to: That was a Bad A$$ sight! good work! NT posted by Tyler Hathaway on May 06, 1999 at 19:04:58:

If this new site is so !@#$%^&*()_+_)(*&^%$#@!~ good,why was it set up so that a goodly portion of us can't take a look at it,without having our browsers lock up our computers,when we *try* to access it?

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Re: In English - what oil is recommended for a 97c 'in the ports'

Msg. 109596  Posted by Jerry Rhodes on May 06, 1999 at 19:26:46:

In Reply to: In English - what oil is recommended for a 97c 'in the ports' posted by Ron B on May 05, 1999 at 22:17:34:

Ron,

For not knowing Spanish very well you did OK with your Portuguese.

Jerry
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That was a Bad A$$ sight! good work! NT

Msg. 109595  Posted by Tyler Hathaway on May 06, 1999 at 19:04:58:

In Reply to: NEW AIRGUN PAGE!!!! NO ONE BELIEVED I WOULD MAKE IT!!! WELL HERE IT IS! posted by Steven Flannery on May 05, 1999 at 23:38:10:

Nt
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Re: Simmons Pro Air Scopes ?

Msg. 109593  Posted by Adam on May 06, 1999 at 19:00:15:

In Reply to: Simmons Pro Air Scopes ? posted by Eric Field on May 06, 1999 at 16:02:45:

I have a Simmons pro air 4-12x40, and 6.5-20x44, and let me say they are the best scopes made. They are clear, look nice, powerful, and have a great price. For the RX-1 I would highly recommend a 6-18x40 for only about $140.00.

-Adam
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Re: We need to push Nightforce in to making a airgun scope

Msg. 109592  Posted by LOU V.K. on May 06, 1999 at 18:54:11:

In Reply to: Re: We need to push Nightforce in to making a airgun scope posted by Wade on May 06, 1999 at 18:24:02:


You have just given me another reason to kep my old 30X56 Silver Hakko's. Do I still have 'first right of refusa', whenever you decide to part with your old silver Hakko?
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Re: Just the facts with sources if possible .......

Msg. 109591  Posted by LOU V.K. on May 06, 1999 at 18:49:47:

In Reply to: Re: Just the facts with sources if possible ....... posted by Wade on May 06, 1999 at 18:28:19:


Don't you mean 'methamphetimine' ?
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Re: Interesting...............

Msg. 109590  Posted by RBest on May 06, 1999 at 18:46:05:

In Reply to: Re: Interesting............... posted by Jack S on May 06, 1999 at 12:09:41:

Jack : it seems that there are two policies that are enforced. 1> Don't make waves. 2. Cover your ass( at least for the higher ups). Glad you made it through all those years unscathed! Russ
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Re: Webley vs. BSA

Msg. 109589  Posted by RBest on May 06, 1999 at 18:40:19:

In Reply to: Re: Webley vs. BSA posted by Mark Lemm on May 06, 1999 at 01:42:04:

Mark: that may just be because there are a lot more BSA's in country. BSA's percentage of failure is quite low. There are guys in the club who have many thousands of rounds through theirs with zero problems. Regards, Russ
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Re: Bulk user asks: " Why can't you dry-fire a springer " ? (nt)

Msg. 109588  Posted by LOU V.K. on May 06, 1999 at 18:39:25:

In Reply to: Bulk user asks: "Why can't you dry-fire a springer "? (nt) posted by MIKEP on May 06, 1999 at 18:29:27:


Firing a spring piston gun with no pellet in the breach will cause several kinds of damage,the most common are that the piston crown seal will be battered against the bottom of the compression chamber,thus,damaging it severely,and this will nessecitate a full tear down of the power plant. When tha power plant is torn down,it will usually show that the spring is broken,by an uncontrolled release of the compressed spring. there are other things that might occur,but,these are the *very* common ones.
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Re: Bulk user asks: " Why can't you dry-fire a springer " ? (nt)

Msg. 109587  Posted by Alan on May 06, 1999 at 18:39:17:

In Reply to: Bulk user asks: " Why can't you dry-fire a springer " ? (nt) posted by MIKEP on May 06, 1999 at 18:29:27:

Dry firing a springer is like: -spilling spaghetti in your wife's new sofa-reving your car's new motor while still cold-forgetting your wife's birthday- telling your boss off, need I say more. The reason is that the piston is driven forward into the end of the receiver chamber and is pushing air(compressing) into the end of the chamber. The piston is stopped only by a cushion of air created by built up pressure because the pellet is sealing off the chamber temporarily, or NOT because some dummy(self in this instance) forgot the pellet. When the pellet is forgotten, no pressure is built up and the piston assembly slams into the end of the chamber. Usually it takes several and sometimes many of these to damage something, but it's not something you want to do. Alan.PS-I don't know any one who has not done this at one time or another-it's just one of those 'ouches'we sometimes do.
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Re: Bulk user asks: " Why can't you dry-fire a springer " ? (nt)

Msg. 109586  Posted by RBest on May 06, 1999 at 18:36:45:

In Reply to: Bulk user asks: " Why can't you dry-fire a springer " ? (nt) posted by MIKEP on May 06, 1999 at 18:29:27:

Spring damage and seal damage( especially synthetic seals) can result. RB
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Re: Supersport...

Msg. 109585  Posted by RBest on May 06, 1999 at 18:34:59:

In Reply to: Re: Supersport... posted by chuck bridgeland on May 06, 1999 at 08:19:55:

Chuck's right. The carbine isn't on sale as far as I know. Russ
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Re: Looking for Norica airguns pictures or other information.

Msg. 109584  Posted by RBest on May 06, 1999 at 18:33:05:

In Reply to: Looking for Norica airguns pictures or other information. posted by Sasha on May 06, 1999 at 05:45:35:

Sasha: I have yet to run into a Norica website. Beeman sells 4 Norica's. The S-1, the GS1000, the GS 700 and the GT 600. Norica makes numerous other models such as the Marvic, Europa( sidelever), Commando, Young, 80G, and several others. Regards, Russ PS- Airguns of Arizona is a Norica distributor. So is Holst Specialties( Tom Holst).
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Bulk user asks: " Why can't you dry-fire a springer " ? (nt)

Msg. 109583  Posted by MIKEP on May 06, 1999 at 18:29:27:

In Reply to: RWS Model 36 in .22---Chrono results with new spring posted by Alan on May 06, 1999 at 18:08:15:



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ld's spirit lives on

Msg. 109582  Posted by LOU V.K. on May 06, 1999 at 18:29:14:

In Reply to: '' His past posts prove he doesn't know jack. He just keeps posting his ignorance. '' posted by vZc on May 06, 1999 at 05:31:27:


And he even brags about it. This is the first posting that I have been able to decypher. I think that the boy must be a frustrated cryptographer. If Lefty were still able to post here,he would probably be just as disgusted with his postings as we all are.
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Re: Just the facts with sources if possible .......

Msg. 109581  Posted by Wade on May 06, 1999 at 18:28:19:

In Reply to: Re: Just the facts with sources if possible ....... posted by LOU V.K. on May 06, 1999 at 18:18:14:

Methane!
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Re: RX1-pro elite reviews

Msg. 109580  Posted by RBest on May 06, 1999 at 18:26:17:

In Reply to: RX1-pro elite reviews posted by daveg on May 06, 1999 at 13:52:38:

Dave: are you looking at the .177 RX-1? This may be the hardest one to shoot. The .20 and .22 are better behaved. Regards, Russ
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Re: We need to push Nightforce in to making a airgun scope

Msg. 109579  Posted by Wade on May 06, 1999 at 18:24:02:

In Reply to: Re: We need to push Nightforce in to making a airgun scope posted by LOU V.K. on May 06, 1999 at 17:56:13:

At the Shot Show this year, Don Walker told me
he approached NF and offered to make a 50 scope
purchase of the 36X or similar scope. They would
not even talk to him and he told them - well you
can just imagine what he said. If they wont help
Beeman then they are a lost cause. Wade
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Re: HELP Crossman 1400 parts

Msg. 109578  Posted by RBest on May 06, 1999 at 18:23:36:

In Reply to: HELP Crossman 1400 parts posted by Glenn Beasley on May 06, 1999 at 16:54:54:

Contact Dave's Airgun Service in Tempe, AZ or Precision Pellet in PA. Both are listed under Airgun resources on this forums homepage. Russ
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Re: Just the facts with sources if possible .......

Msg. 109577  Posted by LOU V.K. on May 06, 1999 at 18:18:14:

In Reply to: Re: Just the facts with sources if possible ....... posted by wved on May 06, 1999 at 17:51:27:


Can you even figure out what his 'unusual' sentence structure is trying to impart?
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RWS Model 36 in .22---Chrono results with new spring

Msg. 109576  Posted by Alan on May 06, 1999 at 18:08:15:

This is what the Pro Chrono just read:

CSM Pmr. (dry) 649 fps
" " (oil) 659 fps
RWS super pt. 673 fps
Silver Bear 700 fps
Hobbies 717 fps


Big Confession-I dry fired the gun in the middle of the test-no change in vel. readings when checked. ok, Ok, OK! so even us handsome, expert types make mistakes. Guess I just got in too big a hurry!!!!! Alan
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Poll was closed down

Msg. 109575  Posted by Dick Thomas-Premier Reticles on May 06, 1999 at 18:05:32:

In Reply to: Re: ABC News .50 Cal Gun Poll posted by chuck bridgeland on May 06, 1999 at 16:53:12:

It appears the ABC poll was not going their way and they shut it down since I voted on May 5th. At the time of my vote it was 78% in favor of anyone who wanted to own a .50 cal to be permitted to, with 28% saying no one should be allowed to own a .50 cal.

Dick
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Re: I'm conducting a test on a new lube and...

Msg. 109574  Posted by LOU V.K. on May 06, 1999 at 18:03:23:

In Reply to: Re: I'm conducting a test on a new lube and... posted by Wade on May 06, 1999 at 17:14:55:


Ivan at Venom preached the sermon of holding a spring rifle loosely,but,consistantly for better accuracy,and,bullet speedometer testing. I have seen the same thing happen,especially with light weight,high velocity guns,that recoiled heavily. That is part of the reason that I have never been enamored of the 34-36-38 series RWS rifles.
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Re: We need to push Nightforce in to making a airgun scope

Msg. 109573  Posted by LOU V.K. on May 06, 1999 at 17:56:13:

In Reply to: We need to push Nightforce in to making a airgun scope posted by M boyle on May 06, 1999 at 14:57:10:

What leverage do you advise that we use on Nightforce to induce them to make a series of scopes for airgunners? the only thing that they,or any other business is interested in is money. If you are serious about this,all that is needed is to buy a production run of whatever design you are wanting. When the fine old Hakko 30X56 satin chrome finished scopes were imported,about ten years ago,it was as the result of an entrepineur who bought 50 of them,and took his chances on being able to get rid of them. Are you prepared to do likewise?

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Re: Just the facts with sources if possible .......

Msg. 109572  Posted by wved on May 06, 1999 at 17:51:27:

In Reply to: Just the facts with sources if possible ....... posted by vZc on May 06, 1999 at 17:08:24:

Hi there vZc! I really like your posts and find them very entertaining. IMHO, there is a place for all opinions, even ifn I can't figure out what the opinion was! :-) wved
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4 bore, 3calibre, 454 gr, 70000 grain....

Msg. 109571  Posted by Ron B on May 06, 1999 at 17:45:51:

In Reply to: Re: Clarification?......... posted by Jim Baumann on May 06, 1999 at 15:51:47:

Thanks for the clarification. Your discription fits a projectile of the above dimensions. I was curious as if I had read that correctly.

The massive amount of ballistic research done at that time was the inspiration for one of Jules Verne's novels.

Thanks again,

Ron
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Documents.........

Msg. 109570  Posted by Ron B on May 06, 1999 at 17:33:17:

In Reply to: Re: To regulate or not? posted by A-TEAM-RAY on May 06, 1999 at 16:57:50:

Ray,
No problem, I do recommend anyone with questions about the Career read your documents. There is a lot of information to digest.

Ron
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In a world of increasing technology, wind will always be a plausable excuse for all outdoor sports enthusiasts.

Msg. 109569  Posted by Denny D on May 06, 1999 at 17:32:32:

In Reply to: Wind Drift Question: par deaux???? posted by peteR on May 06, 1999 at 09:31:54:

I sure need an plausable excuse or denial now and then. Clinton has kick that can down the road to where it may become his true legacy. I hope he doesn't get any of his legacy on his shoe!!
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I put the link in the URL block this time.

Msg. 109568  Posted by Denny D on May 06, 1999 at 17:20:03:

In Reply to: Here's a Tom Jue RX1 eval from the AF Reference Library posted by Denny D on May 06, 1999 at 17:16:16:

I guess you can't cut and paste from the normal AF page.

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Re: NEW AIRGUN PAGE!!!! NO ONE BELIEVED I WOULD MAKE IT!!! WELL HERE IT IS!

Msg. 109567  Posted by Steven Flannery on May 06, 1999 at 17:17:44:

In Reply to: NEW AIRGUN PAGE!!!! NO ONE BELIEVED I WOULD MAKE IT!!! WELL HERE IT IS! posted by Steven Flannery on May 05, 1999 at 23:38:10:

Thanks for all the good comments, I have my own web page making business. I'm glad you like my ferocious hunting dog, I will soon have some more pics of "killer". For those who think I shoot off of my roof, I never have, I shoot from inside the shed only. COMING SOON: top secret photos taken of Zachary (the neighbor's dog.) You soon too, can shoot targets of his face for me. Check back regularly, for I will be making updates.

Sincerely,
Steven Flannery

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Here's a Tom Jue RX1 eval from the AF Reference Library

Msg. 109566  Posted by Denny D on May 06, 1999 at 17:16:16:

In Reply to: RX1-pro elite reviews posted by daveg on May 06, 1999 at 13:52:38:

http://www.airgunletter.null/forum/spring/rx1_vortek_seal_combo.html
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Re: Wade: what's your " new lube " ? nt

Msg. 109565  Posted by Wade on May 06, 1999 at 17:16:06:

In Reply to: Wade: what's your " new lube " ? nt posted by Jon B. on May 06, 1999 at 16:04:41:

I'll make a full disclocure when tests are over.
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Re: I'm conducting a test on a new lube and...

Msg. 109564  Posted by Wade on May 06, 1999 at 17:14:55:

In Reply to: Re: I'm conducting a test on a new lube and... posted by LOU V.K. on May 06, 1999 at 15:33:17:

Lou, the .177 did not change in velocity, however,
the .22 (BSA Supersport) DID increase by over 200
fps. The first shot was like a firecracker! Why
did it diesel and the .177 hasn't, yet. One more
thing came evident in my testing: If I held the
gun loosly(sp) the velocity was 880/890 (.177) and
if I held the gun with a firm grip against my
shoulder the velocity was in the 860/870 range.
Wade
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Just the facts with sources if possible .......

Msg. 109563  Posted by vZc on May 06, 1999 at 17:08:24:

In Reply to: Re: Clarification?......... posted by Jim Baumann on May 06, 1999 at 15:51:47:

... when I 'm heckled about my interests or quotes, ignore personal attacks and reference accepted documentation.
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Re: We need to push Nightforce in to making a airgun scope

Msg. 109562  Posted by Wade on May 06, 1999 at 17:03:28:

In Reply to: We need to push Nightforce in to making a airgun scope posted by M boyle on May 06, 1999 at 14:57:10:

Hakko only made the 8-40X 56mm for Nightforce.
The 36X WAS a special scope for us airgunners,
but only a few were made and no more exist
except for us lucky ones who did get one. The
new stuff can be made to focus closer if you
want to spend the extra doe. Wade
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Re: To regulate or not?

Msg. 109561  Posted by A-TEAM-RAY on May 06, 1999 at 16:57:50:

In Reply to: Re: To regulate or not? posted by A-TEAM-RAY on May 06, 1999 at 16:39:28:

Sorry Ron B. Just realized that andye started the thread. But Andye I know you have our document folder also. Make some calls or e-mails and contact the qualified sources.

Ray from ~ The �A� Team
(914-896-9792)
A-TEAM-RAY == > ateamray@null.null

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HELP Crossman 1400 parts

Msg. 109560  Posted by Glenn Beasley on May 06, 1999 at 16:54:54:

Im looking for a compression chamber or overhaul kit for my gun that im putting together for my son, i have had this thing for 25 yrs.
Can someone point me in a direction? will even buy a used one if possible.
Please E me back at gbeasley@null.null

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Re: ABC News .50 Cal Gun Poll

Msg. 109559  Posted by chuck bridgeland on May 06, 1999 at 16:53:12:

In Reply to: ABC News .50 Cal Gun Poll posted by Dick Thomas-Premier Reticles on May 05, 1999 at 23:28:54:

I didn't see any poll on that page--maybe they took it down when it didn't go their way???

The grabbers are seeing what they can get away with. "No law abiding person needs a sniper rifle." Yada yada yada.

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Re: Scopes And Field of View?

Msg. 109558  Posted by DonC on May 06, 1999 at 16:50:38:

In Reply to: Scopes And Field of View? posted by Joey on May 06, 1999 at 10:26:51:

Dick Thomas recently addresses this question. He said the field of view is determined by internal lenses not Objective diameter or tube size. I do know that the 30 mm tube lets in more light and the exit light to your pupil is larger. This basically means with more light exiting you can move your head/eye around more and still see the target. The light that spills out past your pupil is wasted light (kind of.) I do like the larger 30mm tubes however cause you can aquire the target so easily. An important consideration when hunting. The conbination of a larger bell and 30mm tube work together to get more light to yur eye but doesn't affect field of view. Premire Reticles can offer similar magnification as others but the field of view will be larger due to the lens installed.
I hope I have paraphrased Mr. Thomas correctly on this.
Don
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Re: Simmons 6 X 20 AOT Range Finding ~ Additional Parallax info

Msg. 109557  Posted by A-TEAM-RAY on May 06, 1999 at 16:50:24:

In Reply to: Re: Simmons 6 X 20 AOT Range Finding posted by Sam on May 06, 1999 at 16:20:45:

This procedure won't get rid of all parallax problems unless you are lucky. I posted The "A" Teams procedure for parallax adjustment and it is one of the documents in our free "A Team document folder with pictures". E-mail us and we will be happy to return e-mail you a copy. This is the procedure we have used for years and at least you will have additional information when getting ready to setup your scope. We don't mount a scope until this procedure has been completed. Until then the scope isn't worthy of a gun.

Ray & Hans ~ The �A� Team
(914-896-9792 or 914-277-4309)
A-TEAM-RAY == > ateamray@null.null
A-TEAM-HANS == > ateamh@null.null

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Re: Now Ralph,--- everybody knows that this is a PRIVATE forum! [nt]

Msg. 109556  Posted by Ralph on May 06, 1999 at 16:47:08:

In Reply to: Now Ralph,--- everybody knows that this is a PRIVATE forum! [nt] posted by Burris on May 06, 1999 at 14:59:47:

I stand corrected. This is a private forum with almost public access.At times the wit on this forum is at least as good as the technology.
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Re: To regulate or not?

Msg. 109555  Posted by A-TEAM-RAY on May 06, 1999 at 16:39:28:

In Reply to: Re: To regulate or not? posted by Marty Jones on May 06, 1999 at 14:24:53:

As to your analagy lets take it a step further. If the you have only driven a standard then you may not appreciate the benefits of the automatic. I've said it before and rather then re-do the whole post by hand am pasting in the previous one. So:

In Reply to: Career 707 regulator vs nonregulated guns posted by John N. on April 02, 1999 at 22:59:43:
I can appreciate your question as I am asked it all the time. The best answer is to talk to individuals that have the same gun (in this case the Career 707) in the same caliber, that has shot the gun without a regulator and then put one in. These are the individuals that already did the analysis and have opted to go the regulated route because of the problems that you are about to encounter. I can e-mail you our file folder with examples of regulated outputs from many of our customers and the comments and recommendations from them. You will be able to contact them and get their opinion as to what to do. If you contact me I can give you more specifics after getting your particular needs from the gun. When ever possible always get information that is 2 sided not one sided. Another words talk to the people that have used the gun without a regulator and then put one in. Ask them if they would ever go back to without it. There is just too much ease of use to set your power wheel to a particular velocity setting and go shoot. Watch the gauge or do a total shot count (I count magazine reloads) to know when to recharge and I have fun. Here is an example from what one competitor used to do before putting in The "A" Team regulator. Charge 2400psi, shoot 12 shots then click power wheel, shoot 8 shots then click power wheel, shoot 8 shots then click power wheel, shoot 4 shots then recharge gun reset power wheel and start over. The amount of concentration being taken away from target acquisition, trigger control, and follow through is just too much. After installing reg charge 3000psi. Shoot 4 magazines worth (40 shots at same velocity as non reg-ed rigamoroll but without using concentration or effort, this was a carbine 177 shooting 10.5 premiers around 900fps) Then recharge to 3000 psi and do it again. Now you can do what is intended. HAVE FUN, Without the work. As far as top end with heavy pellets 22 cal 29.6 gr Dae Sung's at 900 fps with the reg. Is that fast enough? If not then you better stick to non reg-ed. If it is then all the usable shots will be at that velocity (about 20 of them). If you try to do the same without a reg your spread will most likely be 4 times that of the reg-ed gun. It's really a matter of preference. Start by gathering information from the correct sources. If someone tells you definitely not reg-ed check to see if they ever used one with a reg for an extended period of time. If they haven't then the story is one sided so look for more information. Don't settle on the first answer you get, even if it's what you want to hear. Look for more corroboration (from a qualified source). As a side benefit once a reg is installed The "A" Team Spring Kit makes a perfect inexpensive addition that makes the Career shoot easier, smoother and with a trigger that can go down to 12 ounces easy and usually down to 8 ounces SAFELY. Start by e-mailing us for our document file and then go from there. If you are afraid to use a drop-in regulator design as we put out then opt for having another reg installed by someone else. If you are not sure if you can do it yourself go back to our recommendation file and ask these individuals how difficult it really was.

Now Marty I would be very interested in seeing the print out from your entire charge from the Career with a spread that to use your words "As he said, you can get equal consistency by
learning to step up the power wheel as your
air charge drops off."

What Wade Said was "I have 2 Careers, both without regs, and I can get as much out of them as if they were regulated. Only problem is, it aint as easy manipulating that wheel as it is to let the reg do it. I'll be getting a reg soon, cause I'm lazy. Wade"

Now that's a bit different. I'm sure Wade gets as many shots out of the gun but I highly doubt he gets a 20 fps spread for the whole charge as our customers do. One side benefit is the dwell time of all of the shots from a regulated gun is identical so you now have identical Harmonics and potential improved accuracy.

Ron (from beginning of thread) I know you already have our document folder so STUDY the document titled "A Team Flier & Technical Info.doc". Pages 2,3 and 4 have detailed information on how the Career works and why. Then go through the recommendations file and call people that have our reg installed and decide from there. As far as top end. Yes you loose some but I setup the regs to each individual customers needs. I have only had 2 potential customers that wanted more then a reg would give them and I turned them away because I couldn't give them what they wanted. Later one came back and decided he really was asking for way to much (over 40 shots from a carbine 22 cal at 950 fps with 29.6 gr pellets) and he had never chronoed his gun. He didn't know what he was getting. After he chronoed he realized what was realistic and now has a reg and loves it. He has posted here occasionally and prefers to shoot premiers and he gets a spread under 10fps from the whole charge. That's not typical but quite a few customers get that performance. It depends on the consistency of the actual gun. The reg is always consistent. RON (his posting name, different Ron, not the one from start of this thread), I WANT YOUR GUN.

Remember ----- Qualified sources. No one sided stories.

Ray & Hans ~ The "A" Team
(914-896-9792 or 914-277-4309)
Ray ==> ateamray@null.null
Hans ==> ateamh@null.null

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Re: Simmons 6 X 20 AOT Range Finding

Msg. 109554  Posted by Wade on May 06, 1999 at 16:22:47:

In Reply to: Simmons 6 X 20 AOT Range Finding posted by scubablizz on May 06, 1999 at 15:10:13:

Although there are range numbers on the AO, the
only one that is probably correct is the 10 yd.
Set up a tape measure and a target (like graph
paper) and when the focus is clear for the set
ranges (from 10 to 50 yds) mark the corresponding
number to the distance. You can use white tape
cut to the size of the area where the original
numbers are (cover them up to mark your own on the
tape). When you get all that done, then you start
setting up your elevation turret numbers to hit
dead on to the distance you have ranged. Wade
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Re: Simmons 6 X 20 AOT Range Finding

Msg. 109553  Posted by Sam on May 06, 1999 at 16:20:45:

In Reply to: Simmons 6 X 20 AOT Range Finding posted by scubablizz on May 06, 1999 at 15:10:13:

First you have to be sure the scope is focused for your eyesight. By pointing the scope at a flat featureless wall look through the scope and notice weather the crosshair is in focus. Dont stare at the crosshair. The brain has a wonderful ablility to focus on out of focus images. Use the eyepiece to focus the crosshairs. Let your eye rest and check it again. This is a critical part of repeatability in ranging. With that done find an object with fine detail over 10 yds away but close enough that you can measure it with a long tape measure. With the scope set at 20x try to focus on it by turning the AO ring. First try starting the AO at the closest focus and moving up, read the AO ring for range. Then try starting at the longest focus and move down, read the AO ring. Finally measure the distance to the target and see which is the closer measurement. You will then know which direction to come at focus from and you should do it this way all the time. Then put markers out at measured distances and range find on them remembering to come to focus from the most accurate direction found earlier. Check each one against the AO ring and either find a standard offset or if your lucky just verify that the ring is correct and maybe add a few inbetween marks. Just remember your ranging will always be most accurate at 20x and by moving the AO the same way as you come to focus.

Sam
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Wade: what's your " new lube " ? nt

Msg. 109552  Posted by Jon B. on May 06, 1999 at 16:04:41:

In Reply to: I'm conducting a test on a new lube and... posted by Wade on May 06, 1999 at 12:49:41:

nt
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Simmons Pro Air Scopes ?

Msg. 109551  Posted by Eric Field on May 06, 1999 at 16:02:45:

Does anyone have any experience using Simmons Pro Air scopes on high powered airguns ? I am considering scopes for my Beeman RX-1 .22 and am interested in any opinions or experiences with this scope line.

Thanks !

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Re: NEW AIRGUN PAGE!!!! NO ONE BELIEVED I WOULD MAKE IT!!! WELL HERE IT IS!

Msg. 109550  Posted by LOU V.K. on May 06, 1999 at 16:01:42:

In Reply to: NEW AIRGUN PAGE!!!! NO ONE BELIEVED I WOULD MAKE IT!!! WELL HERE IT IS! posted by Steven Flannery on May 05, 1999 at 23:38:10:


The home page will partially load,then,the browser crashes if I try to connect on your highlighted links. the only way that I could get away from your site was to shut down my computer by cutting the power.I am running AOL 3.0,with IE 4.0.This is common for some websites,like Airgunwerks,Martin L.'s site,etc..
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Help with O rings for Daisy 2003

Msg. 109549  Posted by andye on May 06, 1999 at 15:59:18:

I need to know what size the o ring is that goes around the plunger that seems to push the pellet into the barrel and seals it before you squeeze the trigger. Daisy send me O-rings that are as big as the barrel. thanks andye
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Re: Clarification?.........

Msg. 109547  Posted by Jim Baumann on May 06, 1999 at 15:51:47:

In Reply to: Clarification?......... posted by Ron B on May 06, 1999 at 13:45:43:


Yes and no, as it turns out I cant find the weight of the bullet used for the Ingalls' model; so, I guess I am making things up, again.

I found The bullet weights for several of the other tables; but, the only information that I can find on the Krupp and Gavre bullet, says that it
was 3 calibers long abd it had a ogival head with a 2 caliber radius.

All of the other bullets used in building the ballistic tables contained in Hatcher's Notebook
list a weight of one pound. Some of these bullets had differant shaped heads.

As to where I got that I took that statement from, I cant seem to remember. I probably made that up, also.

There is no mention, that I could find, as to wheather the bullets were made of pure lead.

However, the test for the Ingalls' model, was done in 1881, according to my books, on the subject. I was not around in those days, Ha Ha.

I think that you would find Hatcher's Notebook quite interesting. It is published by Stackpole Books.

Jim
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Knoxville Airgunners

Msg. 109546  Posted by Eric Field on May 06, 1999 at 15:48:36:

Are there any airgunners in the Knoxville area that wish to help out a newbie? I am looking for someone to correspond with and maybe go out shooting with as I get into this new hobby sport.

Thanks.
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Re: I'm conducting a test on a new lube and...

Msg. 109545  Posted by LOU V.K. on May 06, 1999 at 15:33:17:

In Reply to: I'm conducting a test on a new lube and... posted by Wade on May 06, 1999 at 12:49:41:


You mention a velocity spread from 880-890 fps with clean and dry CP lites. What kind of velocities are you seeing with your new lube? If the velocity has gone up more than just a few fps,it IS dieseling.
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Re: There ya go! nt

Msg. 109544  Posted by Johnny O. on May 06, 1999 at 15:15:30:

In Reply to: Re: Rabbit Hunting Tips posted by Andrew Leung on May 06, 1999 at 11:03:16:

.
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Simmons 6 X 20 AOT Range Finding

Msg. 109543  Posted by scubablizz on May 06, 1999 at 15:10:13:

I just purchased the above scope from Natchez. How do you use it to range, as you would in a FT competition? Thanks...
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Very large and cantankerous ground squirrels! [nt]

Msg. 109542  Posted by Burris on May 06, 1999 at 15:08:02:

In Reply to: Re: Think about it--- posted by MR Bulk� on May 06, 1999 at 05:50:35:

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Now Ralph,--- everybody knows that this is a PRIVATE forum! [nt]

Msg. 109541  Posted by Burris on May 06, 1999 at 14:59:47:

In Reply to: Re: Canadian 2289 the easiest gun to make " illegal " posted by Ralph on May 06, 1999 at 12:42:50:

8
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We need to push Nightforce in to making a airgun scope

Msg. 109540  Posted by M boyle on May 06, 1999 at 14:57:10:

ive been trying to get nightforce to make a airgun scope. im not having a lot of luck. i think we all should call nightforce and voice are Opinions tell them what we need\want in a scope and give them an idea of what we will pay. so they know theres a market out there. the Hakko 36x ft nightforce wasnt a good seller and many thought it was a bad scope. on an airgun i think it was pretty good by what ive seen. on a firearm i think they did fall about ez. NightForce phone is 425 771-38 there scopes only go to 25 or so yards Grrrrrr
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Re: Variations also exist from gun to gun, for example---

Msg. 109539  Posted by Burris on May 06, 1999 at 14:50:46:

In Reply to: Re: Variations also exist from gun to gun, for example--- posted by Jerry G on May 06, 1999 at 05:48:42:

Jerry, Russ E-mailed me and suggested that I check the function of my Chrono, but I was ahead of him[for once!]. After installation of a new battery, I checked it with some "Known" performers and it was right on the button. I guess I lucked out. It could be diesling a bit but it sure doesn't show any obvious signs. I mean the velocity is consistant with no sudden jumps, it does'nt smell like it's diesling, and their is no tale-tell smoke. The RWS-46, on the other hand, is similar to a .45-70 Trapdoor when you swing up the breech, little tendrils of smoke curl up out of the breech! Now if it only smelled like rotten eggs-----. Regards, Bill
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Re: Breech Seal Leak

Msg. 109538  Posted by Marty Jones on May 06, 1999 at 14:43:19:

In Reply to: Breech Seal Leak posted by Mac1 on May 05, 1999 at 17:41:47:

Tim,

Thanks for the info. Is there an easy way to
inspect the breech to tell whether I have nylon
or PVC?

best regards,

Marty Jones
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Re: I give up...What's a rabbit stick???

Msg. 109537  Posted by Marty Jones on May 06, 1999 at 14:40:08:

In Reply to: Re: I give up...What's a rabbit stick??? NT posted by Stocky on May 06, 1999 at 11:41:48:

Rabbit sticks were in vogue primarily during the
depression era, when (at $0.25 per 50) .22 ammo
was too expensive to use on rabbits. It was
basically a club, usually a stick weighted at one
end and sometimes slightly curved. Basically a
crude boomerang - you threw it at the rabbit,
hoping to knock it down and disable it long
enough to run up and bash it again. Many poor
folks back home had no meat for supper unless
they got a rabbit, so they got pretty good at
whistling and throwing. Often rabbit sticks were
used in drives, where several hunters would walk
across a field together.

best regards,

Marty Jones
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Steve i like the bird feeder Willy Re: NEW AIRGUN PAGE!!!! NO ONE BELIEVED I WOULD MAKE IT!!! WELL HERE IT IS!

Msg. 109536  Posted by Willy on May 06, 1999 at 14:33:23:

In Reply to: NEW AIRGUN PAGE!!!! NO ONE BELIEVED I WOULD MAKE IT!!! WELL HERE IT IS! posted by Steven Flannery on May 05, 1999 at 23:38:10:

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Re: To regulate or not?

Msg. 109533  Posted by Marty Jones on May 06, 1999 at 14:24:53:

In Reply to: Re: To regulate or not that is the question? posted by Wade on May 06, 1999 at 14:07:11:

I'll second Wade's comments about getting used to
the standard model before getting any mods. I
doubt I'll ever get a regulator for my Career.
As he said, you can get equal consistency by
learning to step up the power wheel as your
air charge drops off.

Once you add a regulator, you will have a
built-in upper limit to the available power, and
this will be less than that of the unregulated gun.

So you give up flexibility for convenience. Sort
of like an automatic transmission - works fine
in most situations, but if you need real engine
braking or a push start, you'll miss the manual.

best regards,

Marty Jones

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Re: Theoben Import/Export?

Msg. 109532  Posted by Dani on May 06, 1999 at 14:24:20:

In Reply to: Theoben Import/Export? posted by M.A.D. on May 05, 1999 at 11:05:28:

Beeman doesn't have any plans to bring in the other models, but you can check with Dave Schwesinger at Air Rifle Specialists http://www.shooters.com/ars/. I know he was working with Theoben to bring in their other models.
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We finally agree! : I don't think there was a disagreement ; my perception or ...

Msg. 109531  Posted by vZc on May 06, 1999 at 14:22:59:

In Reply to: We finally agree! posted by The Airgun Letter on May 06, 1999 at 13:03:39:

.. recollect is that no one comments or rarely references the AirGunLetter on this Forum.
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Re: RX1-pro elite reviews

Msg. 109530  Posted by ToddN on May 06, 1999 at 14:22:12:

In Reply to: RX1-pro elite reviews posted by daveg on May 06, 1999 at 13:52:38:

Dave,
There's a good R9 review under Airgun Reviews on
Brad Troyer's home page, and a nice PE review at
Airgun Letter's home page under the library's
'main page'.

Todd
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Re: To regulate or not that is the question?

Msg. 109529  Posted by Wade on May 06, 1999 at 14:07:11:

In Reply to: To regulate or not that is the question? posted by andye on May 06, 1999 at 13:40:50:

Andye, as a beginner, you should start with the
basics and learn what you have before you get
all envolved with the mods. The performance will
be enhanced by the reg for sure, but you won't
know why unless you knew what you had before. I
have 2 Careers, both without regs, and I can get
as much out of them as if they were regulated.
Only problem is, it aint as easy manipulating
that wheel as it is to let the reg do it. I'll
be getting a reg soon, cause I'm lazy. Wade
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Re: which was more punch the .20 or .22 in a Career 707

Msg. 109528  Posted by Ron B on May 06, 1999 at 14:00:04:

In Reply to: which was more punch the .20 or .22 in a Career 707 posted by andye on May 06, 1999 at 13:45:46:

Andye,

This is one of those 'take your pick' questions. The .22 has a larger selecton of pellets than the 5mm and is used as a 'meat gun' in many areas.

The Career is a very powerful rifle, lethal on fairly large game with the proper bullet placement and type. Heavier bullets will have more energy at range than lighter ones, thats physics.

Be sure and have 'The A Team' send you their Career information. They can expand on your questions of the regulator and will give you insight into these powerful and accurate rifles.

HTH,
ROn
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Re: will it work in a makarov?

Msg. 109527  Posted by Wallace Berry on May 06, 1999 at 13:54:01:

In Reply to: Re: will it work in a makarov? posted by R Cape on May 06, 1999 at 12:17:22:

I've tried several different varieties of lead shot in my CO2 Makarov. I've shot the H+N 4.4 shot, some copper washed lead shot I bought with a Haenel 310, and some lead shot I bought from a gentlemen on the inte.null. I tried the Beeman Perfect Rounds in .177 as well. They didn't fit. The others shot fine if fed directly into the barrel. When loaded into the magazine, the tended to get dented up by the magazine follower and jam. Too bad as the gun seems to shoot the lead shot more accurately. I believe the BBs that came with the Makarov look like the Daisy "Match Grade" BBs that are available at the local "Mart" stores. I think Daisy gets their BBs from Spain. I've just been shooting the Crosman Copperhead BBs, mainly because I had them, and also because the copper coating might be a little less hard on the bore. I've shot up almost an entire 1500 BB carton through my Makarov now (well, that's counting the hundred or so that I've spilled around. CO2 cartridges are gonna break me. Wish I could bulk fill this sucker. Wallace
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Re: Get arrested? I doubt it... (please read )

Msg. 109526  Posted by DAS on May 06, 1999 at 13:53:27:

In Reply to: Re: Get arrested? I doubt it... (please read ) posted by DALE W MERRILL SR on May 06, 1999 at 13:07:49:

Dale,

Are we talking about "guns" or airguns? I understand the law requiring transfer of "guns" between two licensed dealers. However, my local post office is accepting my airgun shipments knowing full well what's inside the box. If they are not following THEIR rules and regulations, I guess I don't need to worry about it.

Dave


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RX1-pro elite reviews

Msg. 109525  Posted by daveg on May 06, 1999 at 13:52:38:

Well after reading the forum for a few days
I am almost ready to order the tuned R9.
Still a little doubt-can anyone tell me where
I can get the review of the RX1-Right now I am
thinking of the pro elite,or the RX1 or the R9.
90% sure it's the R9.The RX1 speed really has me
looking at it.I might want to reach out a little
more than 50 yds.


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which was more punch the .20 or .22 in a Career 707

Msg. 109524  Posted by andye on May 06, 1999 at 13:45:46:

Still trying to decide which way to fall.
You all need to tell me what pellets to use too.
I want to buy now any offers or specials going on? thanks andye
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Clarification?.........

Msg. 109523  Posted by Ron B on May 06, 1999 at 13:45:43:

In Reply to: To 3 Degree Ballistic Wolfie posted by Jim Baumann on May 06, 1999 at 12:40:06:

Jim,
You quoted Ingalls table with 1 caliber / 1 pound projectile. Did I read this correctly? If I did, it would be a 1" diameter slug about 2~3" long if solid lead.

This would be quite typical for a 'wall gun' of the past, used to break up canon carriages in artillery conflicts.

Thanks,
Ron
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i will pay alot for full auto bb gun

Msg. 109522  Posted by rich on May 06, 1999 at 13:44:26:

i will pay alot. i will buy it if you call me

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To regulate or not that is the question?

Msg. 109520  Posted by andye on May 06, 1999 at 13:40:50:

Okay I really am trying to understand?
Some say to add a regulator to the 707 and others say no? Please paint a clearer picture on why or why not. thanks andye
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i will buy a full auto bb gun-will pay alot

Msg. 109519  Posted by Rich on May 06, 1999 at 13:39:16:

if you have one let me know.i will buy it as long as its full auto(i will pay up to 200$).if its a semi-auto i will pay no more than 50
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Re: I'm conducting a test on a new lube and...

Msg. 109518  Posted by BobF on May 06, 1999 at 13:27:31:

In Reply to: I'm conducting a test on a new lube and... posted by Wade on May 06, 1999 at 12:49:41:

Wade,
I've been lubing CPLs with Hoppe's Gun Oil for about a year now - no dieseling at 1060 fps. Previously the gun would lead up at about 100 shots. No leading with the lube. I recently tried the Pledge routine and accuray remained the same but I only shot about 100 pellets. The pledge method is more hassle than the oil. The Hoppe's Oil was recommended by Airgun Express and was originally recommended for a Wiscombe.

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More 'wind dope' terms......

Msg. 109517  Posted by Ron B on May 06, 1999 at 13:24:12:

In Reply to: Re: Wind Drift, precise terminology posted by Jerry Rhodes on May 06, 1999 at 11:05:01:

Jerry you forgot two terms:

Damn, too much
Ah, S**t.

Second term is also used for trigger jerks and other faux paux's.

HTH,
Ron
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Re: Shipping to another country? Use BAX Global.

Msg. 109516  Posted by DALE W MERRILL SR on May 06, 1999 at 13:23:32:

In Reply to: Shipping to another country? Use BAX Global. posted by The Airgun Letter on May 06, 1999 at 12:41:52:

EDITH
The PO here told me after showing me the laws against it
,if I wanted to send an air gun (we talked US not export). To send it just dont tell them,but that if It has to go air and is seen if it was xrayed then I would be in trouble.??????? Its a sensitive subject. DALE

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Thanks

Msg. 109515  Posted by johns on May 06, 1999 at 13:20:43:

In Reply to: Shipping to another country? Use BAX Global. posted by The Airgun Letter on May 06, 1999 at 12:41:52:

All I wanted to do was ship Gamo Compact to an acquaintance in Canada,It is such a pain it juat isn't worth it for $100.
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Re: DIFTA Questions

Msg. 109514  Posted by Wade on May 06, 1999 at 13:19:56:

In Reply to: DIFTA Questions posted by rk on May 06, 1999 at 10:42:34:

I prefer to use birth control, you know, just
shoot their gnadds off!
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Re: Get arrested? I doubt it... (please read )

Msg. 109513  Posted by DALE W MERRILL SR on May 06, 1999 at 13:07:49:

In Reply to: Get arrested? I doubt it... posted by DAS on May 06, 1999 at 01:00:41:

I was at the us post office this morning for about 1/2 hr, they got out the book and showed me the laws on airguns .Airguns come under there firearms law about being able to shoot a projectile to kill or injure. The laws are difficult to define because they keep referring back and forth to diff pages and diff sections.What it boiled down to is a licenced dealer or a manifacture can leagaly send them to anouther licenced person BUT are not to mark on the outside of the box that it contanes a gun.I am not a lawyer but the told me no and i read it,so I would not ( myself ) ever tell someone to send a gun US mail I would tell them to go to there local PO and ask about the law and sending it ,an if the posatmaster does not know ask to see the laws on it. It would be much better than takeing a chance on a prison term for an airgun.I did not make that comment just for something to do or knock anyone just hope it will protect someone.( ASK YOUR PO MASTER FIRST )
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We finally agree!

Msg. 109512  Posted by The Airgun Letter on May 06, 1999 at 13:03:39:

In Reply to: ''... the review was fair to the gun and reported honestly '' : true ... posted by the Harbinger of more numbers on May 06, 1999 at 12:18:47:

You wrote:
If no other readers ask then it's a " don't care condition ."
======================
We finally agree! No one else cares, which is why no one else brought it up.

Edith Gaylord
The Airgun Letter
staff@null.null
http://www.airgunletter.null
http://www.airgunletter.com

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Re: Spot on Pete

Msg. 109511  Posted by John M on May 06, 1999 at 12:54:55:

In Reply to: Re: Spot on Pete posted by peteR on May 06, 1999 at 10:28:20:

Growing up shooting Webleys and BSA's in the UK I was always intrigued by the American shooting term "Kentucky Windage". Now I know what it really means!!
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I'm conducting a test on a new lube and...

Msg. 109510  Posted by Wade on May 06, 1999 at 12:49:41:

I would like to know from you springers out there
how many shots would it take to convince you that
a lube is not going to diesel. I am using a BSA
Supersport as the test gun with lubed Crosman 7.9
Premiers. It normally shoots about 880/890 fps
with dry cleaned pellets. I have shot 100 through
it so far and was wondering just how many it would
take to start to crack? Accuracy will be the next
step. TIA Wade
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Re: Canadian 2289 the easiest gun to make " illegal "

Msg. 109509  Posted by Ralph on May 06, 1999 at 12:42:50:

In Reply to: Canadian 2289 the easiest gun to make " illegal " posted by Fearon Steele on May 05, 1999 at 17:46:43:

Guys, it is not very bright on your parts to be discussing (confessing) your participation and results of illegal activities, regardless of how harmless these are or appear to be. I suggest the information is useful, but should be expressed in terms like "this could be done", "this should or could result". This is quite different than making a public statement that you actually did something illegal. Prendes soin.
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Shipping to another country? Use BAX Global.

Msg. 109508  Posted by The Airgun Letter on May 06, 1999 at 12:41:52:

In Reply to: Shipping airgun to Canada, How? posted by johns on May 05, 1999 at 21:29:53:

UPS told me they no longer ship any firearms or airguns outside the US because the laws change so much and with such regularity that there's no telling if a gun they accept for shipment today will be deliverable across the border tomorrow. So, they said it was better to not accept any guns because they couldn't keep up with all the changes.

If you can't ship something via your postal service, you probably can do it via BAX Global. I got the name of this company from Dave at Air Rifle Specialists. He's been using them for years. Find them at http://www.baxglobal.com

They're good, reliable and not very expensive (in my opinion). The one problem is that each individual BAX Global office can follow whatever rules they want regarding the shipment of firearms, guns or any other items. My local Baltimore office has no problem with airguns. Maybe other offices do.

Call them for confirmation that you can send an airgun to a specific country. Since we're a business and were sending an air pistol to Sweden, we had to prove we were a business with either a listing in the Yellow Pages or a Duns number. They sent us pre-printed forms to fill out, they were extremely helpful on the phone, and their driver was helpful with the forms.

The air pistol we shipped was walked through Swedish customs and delivered in about 7 days, if memory serves. The total cost was about $35 or so. They have 2 rates - one that sounds cheaper (freight) is not. The express shipping was least expensive and fast.

Also, I was totally honest regarding the contents of the package. I indicated that the gun would not fire anything no matter how many times they pulled the trigger. The man who helped me at the BAX office also said I should make sure no pellets or CO2 powerlets were in the same package as the gun. If you must send these items, too, have them delivered separately (probably by the Postal Service).

I wanted to do a report about the US Postal Service's policy on the shipment of airguns through the US mail, but I couldn't find anyone in the USPS management hierarchy who would give me an official interpretation of the postal code - nor could I find anyone who would give out their name and phone number so that post offices around the US who refused to accept airguns could call to confirm that airguns really are allowed via the mail system. I was told they most certainly were allowed, but no one would give it to me in writing explicitly and specifically saying that airguns can be shipped; nor would I be able to quote them. Although I'm not sure, I suspect that no one wanted to usurp the power of the local postal authorities by overruling them with decisions from higher up.

Edith Gaylord
The Airgun Letter
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http://www.airgunletter.com

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To 3 Degree Ballistic Wolfie

Msg. 109507  Posted by Jim Baumann on May 06, 1999 at 12:40:06:


Before I answer or respond to your accusations. Let me tell you a bit about the Airgun Business. You can ask anyone in this business about the millions that we all have socked away in our Swiss bank accounts. Ask anyone here ?

A guy by the name of Frank S. Brychata is the man who wrote the FSI Airgun ballistic tables, and while I might be the first to question the accuracy his published ballistic coefficients, for some of the pellets; it would never even occur to me, to question the man's honesty. There is no doubt, in my mind, that the man did the very best that he could to provide accurate, and useable information for the Airgun community.

The FSI tables are based on the Ingalls' table, and the Ingalls' table is based on the flight of a one pound one caliber bullet, (bullet?) shot at
an extreme high velocity. Now, I could say that a 177 caliber air gun pellet has about as much in common with that bullet, (Bullet?) as a F-117
jet has with a bumble bee. You see it is easy to poke fun at anyone, or anything. The truth is, of course, that the airgun pellet and that cannon
bullet do have a lot in common; but, that much difference does make me question the math as it applies to the pellet's flight.

Degrees are very nice; but, even Albert Einstein once flunked math. Most of the most knowledgeable shooters that I have ever known; were just regular guys.
Some of them have degrees in science and such; but, they never mentioned them, and they never would; nor would they ever have too.

You come here to the AGL form and call me a liar and a crook, and then you speak about your "professional ire." I know that you have been e-mailing people that post on this form saying that you may have been too hard on me. It seems to me that doing so, only shows that you are just trying cover your back side.

Please, be as hard on me as you like; as to your professionalism your actions speak for themselves.

Tell me can you hear the laughter ?



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Re: Falcon Raptor

Msg. 109506  Posted by Allen on May 06, 1999 at 12:31:23:

In Reply to: Re: Falcon Raptor posted by Wade on May 06, 1999 at 10:52:05:

That makes two things I'll have to check out. I shoot it pretty regularly, at least twice a week. So that leaves out the first possibility. The breech seal was an item of concern to me already because of the write up in USAG. I never thought of the soaked pellet idea. Will try that out. Thanks!
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Re: Falcon Raptor

Msg. 109505  Posted by Allen on May 06, 1999 at 12:27:38:

In Reply to: Re: Falcon Raptor posted by LOU V.K. on May 06, 1999 at 09:11:45:

I always use lubed pellets and seldom leave the gun cocked for longer than a minute (that's the beauty of multi-shot). I guess that leaves the possibility of dirt and oil on the striker. I reckon I'll have to remove the action from the stock and have a look at that. Thanks!
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''... the review was fair to the gun and reported honestly '' : true ...

Msg. 109504  Posted by the Harbinger of more numbers on May 06, 1999 at 12:18:47:

In Reply to: Re: Airgun Letter May '99 p.5 chronograph statistics ... posted by The Airgun Letter on May 06, 1999 at 08:44:28:

... but numbers provide a comparative reference for use on same model or similar scenarios.

Constant weight pellets would have provided more accurate rifle performance.

If no other readers ask then it's a " don't care condition ."
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Re: will it work in a makarov?

Msg. 109503  Posted by R Cape on May 06, 1999 at 12:17:22:

In Reply to: will it work in a makarov? posted by joe on May 06, 1999 at 06:34:00:

I just received my CO2 Makarov. The little bag of BBs that came with it measured 4.4mm. They do have iron content as they are strongly attracted to a ma.null. I expect they are just garden variety BBs, with a funky finish. The Crosman Copperhead BBs also measure 4.4mm. Both just roll freely up and down the barrel. The Gamo rounds spec at ~4.51mm. There is very light rifling in the barrel, which would not have much if any sealing effect on the BBs. I haven't measured the magazine yet, but I expect that's probably spec'd to 4.4mm, rather that 4.5mm. Bob
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Re: Interesting...............

Msg. 109502  Posted by Jack S on May 06, 1999 at 12:09:41:

In Reply to: Re: Interesting............... posted by wved on May 06, 1999 at 09:33:45:

Regarding "I'm still amazed that a couple of high
school wackos..."
I have taught high school for 30 years, in
two very small high schools. Three or four years
ago, a student brought a .22 semiauto pistol to
school, as I found him playing with it in a class-
room, while two other students were using computers.
The teacher was out of the room, because it was her
preparation period, so the boys were unsurpervised
for a brief time! I reported it to the Principal,
he went in the room, and confiscated the pistol, but
later sent it home to the parents, with "a more
responsible student!!" Fearing that I would create
an "administrative problem," the Principal sent
one of his "helpers," another teacher being "groomed"
for future administrative work, to me to say that
I "must understand that there is nothing that the
Principal can do about that matter." The boy never
missed a day of school!! I told the administrative
"helper" that I understood that the Principal could
indeed do something about the matter, but that he
elected to not do anything about it, and I left it
at that, not causing any problems for the administrators,
who would have eventually caused me to regret it.
I am not surprised at anything happening in schools
today, and am most happy that I will be retiring from
education at the end of this academic year.

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'' Stay out of the bore. Remember the cleaning rod thing..''

Msg. 109501  Posted by vZc on May 06, 1999 at 11:59:05:

In Reply to: Re: Re pulling undersized button that would follow existing rifling ... posted by Jerry Rhodes on May 06, 1999 at 10:45:51:

I 'm speculating about Maccari's methodology.

Precision instruments in the bore don't concern me; when is damaged and affects accuracy: replace it.

Same philosophy about power plant: springs, seals, etc.; few things last forever.
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'' your resistance to the truth is futile '' maybe but it's $80 more than .177 (nt)

Msg. 109500  Posted by vZc on May 06, 1999 at 11:52:12:

In Reply to: Re: AirGunExpress RWS 48 .20 cal spec remains unchanged on WEB page ... posted by Billy on May 06, 1999 at 10:43:23:

I 'll wait & test & post.
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Re: I give up...What's a rabbit stick??? NT

Msg. 109499  Posted by Stocky on May 06, 1999 at 11:41:48:

In Reply to: Re: Rabbit Hunting Tips posted by Andrew Leung on May 06, 1999 at 02:52:58:

Rabbit Stick???
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Re: Half-time show

Msg. 109497  Posted by The Airgun Letter on May 06, 1999 at 11:34:06:

In Reply to: Half-time show posted by rk on May 06, 1999 at 11:20:11:

Then I guess I should cancel the film crew from the "American Shooter" TV show!

Edith Gaylord
The Airgun Letter
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7 day turn around on RWS rifle repair-Super!

Msg. 109496  Posted by Alan on May 06, 1999 at 11:31:21:

Will chronograph reworked 36 in 22 cal. as soon as rain/clouds stop. New spring. Will see what happens with fps over next several hundred shots. Alan.PS-never had this quick turn around with anybody.
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Half-time show

Msg. 109495  Posted by rk on May 06, 1999 at 11:20:11:

In Reply to: Re: DIFTA Questions posted by The Airgun Letter on May 06, 1999 at 11:07:04:

Okay... truth be told for my trick shot show:

Clipping flies' wings at 80yds would consist of me walking 80yds away from you, pulling out a fly and a nail clipper, and well, you know the rest!

-rk
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Re: Wind Drift, precise terminology

Msg. 109494  Posted by peteR on May 06, 1999 at 11:20:00:

In Reply to: Re: Wind Drift, precise terminology posted by Jerry Rhodes on May 06, 1999 at 11:05:01:

Jerry,

My point exactly! I only got about 150,000 rounds downrange so please forgive me if logic is faulty.

Pete Reiff
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Re: Supersport...

Msg. 109493  Posted by Jon B. on May 06, 1999 at 11:09:10:

In Reply to: Supersport... posted by Adam on May 06, 1999 at 02:04:26:

Adam:
The carbine models of the ssprt are not the ones on sale for $180. Call PSI for current pricing.
Jon B.
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Re: DIFTA Questions

Msg. 109492  Posted by The Airgun Letter on May 06, 1999 at 11:07:04:

In Reply to: DIFTA Questions posted by rk on May 06, 1999 at 10:42:34:

You wrote:
This Saturday will be my first FT, EVER!

I've been practicing by clipping fly's wings at various distances/elevations up to 80yds- Is that sufficient enough preparation for one of these events?

Actually, I am curious about a few things:

What's the average distance of targets?
What sizes/diameters are the various targets "kill zones"?
If it rains, does the show still go on?
Speaking of shows, who's the half-time entertainment?
=======================
Targets are placed 10-50 yards away.

Kill zones vary in size, depending on which targets are put out. Not all targets are used for each match. Smallest is about 3/8", and the largest is about 2".

We'll announce on the Airgun Forum on Friday if we're even thinking about cancelling the match. If you're unable to get online, you're also welcome to call us Friday evening (410-730-5496) before 7 p.m. to verify.

The regular half-time entertainers have been cancelled so you could entertain us with your great trick shooting - picking off fly wings at 80 yards!

Edith Gaylord
The Airgun Letter
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Re: Wind Drift, precise terminology

Msg. 109491  Posted by Jerry Rhodes on May 06, 1999 at 11:05:01:

In Reply to: Wind Drift Question: par deaux???? posted by peteR on May 06, 1999 at 09:31:54:

Pete,

I have settled on a few exact terms to accurately predict wind drift in most situations. None of this applies when shooting bench rest at 100 yds in the morning at Friendship, Indiana in August.

1) Some

2) More

3) lots

This vast pool of knowledge was gained from 10's of thousands of shots fired in round ball matches over the last 35 years.

It is an art, not a science.

Thank you,

Jerry
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Re: Rabbit Hunting Tips

Msg. 109490  Posted by Andrew Leung on May 06, 1999 at 11:03:16:

In Reply to: Re: Rabbit Hunting Tips posted by Johnny O. on May 06, 1999 at 08:35:50:

Didn't need fame, because I already got fortune ;-)
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Re: Rabbit Hunting Tips

Msg. 109489  Posted by Andrew Leung on May 06, 1999 at 11:00:26:

In Reply to: Re: Rabbit Hunting Tips posted by MR Bulk� on May 06, 1999 at 05:23:54:

I do, really like the flexability of the gun.
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Re: AirGunExpress RWS 48 .20 cal spec remains unchanged on WEB page ...

Msg. 109488  Posted by Wade on May 06, 1999 at 10:58:43:

In Reply to: Re: AirGunExpress RWS 48 .20 cal spec remains unchanged on WEB page ... posted by Billy on May 06, 1999 at 10:43:23:

A .20 premier will shoot about 10 percent slower
than a .22 premier from the same powerplant.
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Re: Falcon Raptor

Msg. 109487  Posted by Wade on May 06, 1999 at 10:52:05:

In Reply to: Falcon Raptor posted by Allen on May 06, 1999 at 08:16:18:

If you haven't shot the gun for a while, it may
be a little slow for a while. However, there is
a replaceable seal in the breech that is subject
to leakage and loss of power. Check that with a
pellet soaked in lube and look for spray when
shot. Wade
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Re: DIFTA Questions: Ah Grass-Hoppa....

Msg. 109486  Posted by peteR on May 06, 1999 at 10:51:58:

In Reply to: DIFTA Questions posted by rk on May 06, 1999 at 10:42:34:

Oh you will have a lot of entertainment, try to get squadded with Abe or JC.

I'll miss the really BIG-BIG show but have fun,
LISTEN CAREFULLY, AND LEARN!

Good Luck
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Re: Re pulling undersized button that would follow existing rifling ...

Msg. 109485  Posted by Jerry Rhodes on May 06, 1999 at 10:45:51:

In Reply to: Re pulling undersized button that would follow existing rifling ... posted by vZc on May 06, 1999 at 05:12:25:

Vernon,

Stay out of the bore. Remember the cleaning rod thing??? You will be more succesful and less likely to damage your rifling if you just grip the end of the barrel with your bare hands and squeeze HARD.

Jerry
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Re: AirGunExpress RWS 48 .20 cal spec remains unchanged on WEB page ...

Msg. 109484  Posted by Billy on May 06, 1999 at 10:43:23:

In Reply to: AirGunExpress RWS 48 .20 cal spec remains unchanged on WEB page ... posted by vZc on May 06, 1999 at 04:54:45:

v, your resistance to the truth is futile, I know you want to believe. I've noted that the adds still say 1000fps for model 34s as well???? I wouldn't expect the add to change, just the pellet. Has anyone out there seen anything near 875 with a 48/52 in .20 with premiers?
Billy
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DIFTA Questions

Msg. 109483  Posted by rk on May 06, 1999 at 10:42:34:

This Saturday will be my first FT, EVER!

I've been practicing by clipping fly's wings at various distances/elevations up to 80yds- Is that sufficient enough preparation for one of these events?

Actually, I am curious about a few things:

What's the average distance of targets?
What sizes/diameters are the various targets "kill zones"?
If it rains, does the show still go on?
Speaking of shows, who's the half-time entertainment?

Can't wait for this Saturday!

An excited,
rk

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Re: HE FOUND IT!!!!

Msg. 109482  Posted by mike on May 06, 1999 at 10:41:11:

In Reply to: HE FOUND IT!!!! posted by Brad Troyer on May 05, 1999 at 23:05:36:

every one put up your ma.nulls.
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Re: Spot on Pete

Msg. 109481  Posted by peteR on May 06, 1999 at 10:28:20:

In Reply to: Spot on Pete posted by LOU V.K. on May 06, 1999 at 09:50:55:

Lou,

What was the sectional density and B/C of the rock?

Igneous, Metamorphic, or Sedimentary structure?

Was a right hand rotation or left hand rotation used to throw it

and how long was the throwers arms?

Oh-MYGAWD what have I done?

Aaahhhhhhhhhhhh..........
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Scopes And Field of View?

Msg. 109480  Posted by Joey on May 06, 1999 at 10:26:51:

What will create more field of view.A bigger objective lens or a bigger diamiter tube.
If you hade the same scopes, one of them Ex.
4x12x40 with a 1inch tube or 4x12x40 with a 30mm tube.the 30 mm should give more light and maybe more feild of view,right? But would there be a bigger difference between 4x12x40 1 inch or 4x12x50 inch. Is the tube more importent or the objective lens ?
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Re: NEW AIRGUN PAGE!!!! NO ONE BELIEVED I WOULD MAKE IT!!! WELL HERE IT IS!

Msg. 109479  Posted by Jerry Rhodes on May 06, 1999 at 10:26:42:

In Reply to: NEW AIRGUN PAGE!!!! NO ONE BELIEVED I WOULD MAKE IT!!! WELL HERE IT IS! posted by Steven Flannery on May 05, 1999 at 23:38:10:

Steven,

Good job guy. Just to be sure I rechecked the San Antonio municipal code again and found no mention of "shooting over a baited birdbath" so it looks like its OK.

By the way you said that your brother shot those birds a LONG time ago. Let's see now........ hmmmmm you are "16" or so. Could that have been in 1990????? That would be a LONG time ago for somebody your age. Your neighbor probably thinks it was "yesterday". She probably has bras that are older than that.

Be careful, considerate, and safe.

Good Luck

Jerry

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LOU........

Msg. 109477  Posted by Ron B on May 06, 1999 at 10:13:39:

In Reply to: Good response,Ron posted by Lou V.K. on May 06, 1999 at 09:42:31:

OK, I'll believe you, but just because I'm ignorant and haven't had the exposure to my Uncle's test facilities.

The explanation sounds reasonable and fits with my handloading and gun experiences. Your mention of bullet seating, load consistancy is true.

I have a friend who shoots Palma (is that the correct spelling) who states the rotation of the case in insertion with identical loads can shift POI.

Thanks for your view of the problem(s).

Ron
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Re: Are there any clubs near Charlotte, NC?

Msg. 109476  Posted by Topper on May 06, 1999 at 10:11:49:

In Reply to: Are there any clubs near Charlotte, NC? posted by Jim Hudson on May 05, 1999 at 18:26:35:

I will be moving to Winston-Salem this summer so I was looking for the same thing. I did find one club listed in AAFTA in Winston-Salem.

Carolina Airgun Club
Winston-Salem, NC
Ken Ward
(910) 764-1453

and another one in Greenwood, SC

Upper Savanna Shooters Association
Greenwood, SC
Mark Wulfekotte
(803) 223-6392

Also, a couple of other guys looking for people to shoot with ...

Charlotte
George K. Weir, Jr. at gweir@null.null

Winston-Salem moving to Raleigh soon
Tom Ferone at Toolferone@null.null

Lets all meet sometime soon !!

Topper
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Hey Vern

Msg. 109475  Posted by LOU V.K. on May 06, 1999 at 10:04:35:

In Reply to: '' We can rechoke your barrel-no matter how short! POR '' posted by vZc on May 05, 1999 at 22:29:06:


Because of the reduction in length of the barrel,the amount of manufacturing defects,the ONLY reason for choking a barrel,are reduced in a direct relationship to the change in barrel length. This being the case,the *need* for rechoking is reduced in a like mathmatical relationship. No really good barrel needs a choke.Only those that are made in a high speed,production manner,where deficiencies creep in need a choke. It only swages the pellets down from their trip through loose and tight spots on the way to the muzzle. If such inconsistant barrels are not choked,the projectile in many cases,will be exiting from a muzzle that is much larger than the reduced size of the deformed pellet,causing erratic flight,enroute to the target.
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Government protection........

Msg. 109474  Posted by Ron B on May 06, 1999 at 09:58:24:

In Reply to: Re: Interesting............... posted by wved on May 06, 1999 at 09:33:45:

is offered. It is the same protection offered to the folks at Ruby Ridge and the Branch Davidian compound near Waco.

Before that, they protected the Freedom Five and helped in the riots in Detroit and Watts, not to mention LA after the Rodney King trial.

At this time, our President is using the military to protect the Kosovars.

wved, don't worry.....HELP is on the way!

Ron
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Another gun poll while emotionsare high - PLEASE VOTE

Msg. 109473  Posted by Stuart on May 06, 1999 at 09:56:24:

http://www.nullguide.com:320/poll/poll.html
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Re: weight of diana pellet

Msg. 109472  Posted by LOU V.K. on May 06, 1999 at 09:54:49:

In Reply to: weight of diana pellet posted by Dean on May 05, 1999 at 23:27:03:


Quite a bit of additional info is needed before anyone can answer your question. we need the model name of the pellets,and,if they are flat nose,( wadcutter ) pellets,the color of the tape arround the tin.
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Spot on Pete

Msg. 109471  Posted by LOU V.K. on May 06, 1999 at 09:50:55:

In Reply to: Wind Drift Question: par deaux???? posted by peteR on May 06, 1999 at 09:31:54:


Because of the inconsistancies of air movements between the firing point,and,the distant target, many of which are moving in opposite directions,and,that no one can ever know *exactly* which way,and,at what speed these air currents are moving,at various spots downrange,precise sight adjustments are an impossibility. As a result of this,along with myriad other factors,we have had accuracy contests of all of the shooting sports,since the first two cave men tried to hit an animal,by throwing a rock at it. Human nature being what it is,one of them bragged that he could hit what he threw at more often than the other.The 'shootin match' was on.

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Re: Whistling Rabbits

Msg. 109470  Posted by Marty Jones on May 06, 1999 at 09:43:31:

In Reply to: Re: Whistling Rabbits posted by DALE W MERRILL SR on May 05, 1999 at 19:01:02:

Dale,

I've never had a rabbit drop dead from fright, but
have heard stories about it. Don't know whether
it's an old myth or not.

Most of the folks I run into that know the whistling
trick can trace it's origins back at least a
generation. Apparently it was quite widespread in
the '30s. I've had several old-timers tell me
stories of using this technique regularly when
hunting with rabbit sticks.

best regards,

Marty
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Good response,Ron

Msg. 109469  Posted by Lou V.K. on May 06, 1999 at 09:42:31:

In Reply to: Re: Possible reason....... posted by LOU V.K. on May 06, 1999 at 09:27:33:


Your response is really pretty good,but,at the Marine Corps AMTU at Quantico,Va.,we discovered that this anomaly was cased by the non-homogenous charcter of the barrel steel,causing the barrel to whip in consistant patterns,as long as the load,and bullet remained the same. The POI could be moved,at will,by changing the loading formula,or the bullet seating depth. This motion was NOT in a circle,but,varied with individual barrel examples. IMHO,the fine,hand lapped match barrels that were used for this testing started with very minor tight spots,caused by portions of the barrel being more elastic than the balance of the pipe. This allowed the cabide button to move the metal outward from the center,then,after the button had passed through,that portion of the barrel 'remembered',and shrank back to it's original I.D.,or very close thereto. the identical action then,occurred as the bullets passed that more elastic spot in the pipe,causing the oscillations before mentioned.
Changing the moment of bending by adding a muzzle weight only works on *some* barrels,to enhance accuracy. On others,it destroys the consistancy of vibration,and,makes the rifle shoot erratically.
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Re: Interesting...............

Msg. 109468  Posted by wved on May 06, 1999 at 09:33:45:

In Reply to: Re: Interesting............... posted by RBest on May 05, 1999 at 23:55:06:

Hi Russ! You wrote:
"I think we need to address these issues before some high schooler takes on in for show and tell"
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
I'm still amazed that a couple high school wackos
could take sawed off shotguns, pistols and pipe bombs into a school in Colorado without anyone knowing. The principal stated that he didn't even know there was a problem. Maybe it wouldn't be too far-fetched for a kid to take an M79 grenade launcher into school under his tee-shirt, and nobody would even recognize it. The politically correct way of dealing with gun related crimes (take away guns from law abiding citizens) brings to mind the Biblical statement "professing themselves to be wise, thet've become fools". Heck, the liberals don't know their sittin on a claymore mine themselves, and they're goin' to protect me by replacing my guns with a call to 911, AFTER THE FACT! wved
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Wind Drift Question: par deaux????

Msg. 109467  Posted by peteR on May 06, 1999 at 09:31:54:

Posted by peteR on May 06, 1999 at 09:28:48:

In Reply to: Windage and Pellet Drift posted by James Pieper on May 05, 1999 at 12:47:35:

Okay,

If you have a 5mph breeze at the muzzle and the 10.5 gr Premier pellet is departing the barrel at 850 fps...

What happens to the "calculated deflection" if it is then struck from 90 degrees by a 15 mph gust at 30 yards?

On its way to a fifty yard target......

My understanding is wind is not a constant force and eddies and pools along the terrain making true accurate predictions near impossible.

Mathmatical models can predict constant wind values but reality teaches this does not frequently occur.

Or does it?

Hmmmmmmmmmm?

Answers anybody??


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Re: Windage and Pellet Drift: Hmmmmm?

Msg. 109466  Posted by peteR on May 06, 1999 at 09:28:48:

In Reply to: Windage and Pellet Drift posted by James Pieper on May 05, 1999 at 12:47:35:

Okay,

If you have a 5mph breeze at the muzzle and the 10.5 gr Premier pellet is departing the barrel at 850 fps...

What happens to the "calculated deflection" if it is then struck from 90 degrees by a 15 mph gust at 30 yards?

On its way to a fifty yard target......

My understanding is wind is not a constant force and eddies and pools along the terrain making true accurate predictions near impossible.

Mathmatical models can predict constant wind values but reality teaches this does not frequently occur.

Or does it?

Hmmmmmmmmmm?

Answers anybody??
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Re: Possible reason.......

Msg. 109465  Posted by LOU V.K. on May 06, 1999 at 09:27:33:

In Reply to: Possible reason....... posted by Ron B on May 06, 1999 at 00:08:38:



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Re: AirGun Letter May '99 Tanker Carbine: How loud (in decibels @ some reference high power level) nt.

Msg. 109464  Posted by The Airgun Letter on May 06, 1999 at 09:18:27:

In Reply to: AirGun Letter May '99 Tanker Carbine: How loud (in decibels @ some reference high power level) nt. posted by vZc on May 04, 1999 at 13:03:10:

You wrote:
AirGun Letter May '99 Tanker Carbine: How loud (in decibels @ some reference high power level)
===================
As stated in the "Airgun sound measurements" article in Revue #4 by audiologist Steve Lewis, ordinary sound measuring equipment available to non-professionals is neither accurate nor reliable. In that article, Steve used expensive professional equipment to test the report of various airguns and noted that the Career 707 carbine in .22 measured 126.23 dB (p). I have no idea if that's where the Tanker Carbine would register - but it provides a window for your reference.

Edith Gaylord
The Airgun Letter
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http://www.airgunletter.com

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Re: Felt pellets - Who has them? (nt)

Msg. 109463  Posted by LOU V.K. on May 06, 1999 at 09:18:10:

In Reply to: Felt pellets - Who has them? (nt) posted by andye on May 06, 1999 at 08:42:20:


Most Beeman and RWS dealers stock them,but,I wonder why you would want such things. They do not do a good job of cleaning thre bore,and,they are extremely expensive,compared to cotton flannel patches,which do a much better cleaning job. For .177 airguns,I use common 'Q Tip' brand cotton tipped swabs,pushed through the pipe by a piece of flexible 1/8" surgical plastic tubing. I dip one end in a suitable solvent,and,feed that end through,first. When the dry end comes out clean,the pipe is clean.
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Re: Falcon Raptor

Msg. 109462  Posted by LOU V.K. on May 06, 1999 at 09:11:45:

In Reply to: Falcon Raptor posted by Allen on May 06, 1999 at 08:16:18:


The three most common causes for this are; oil,and the dirt that oil attracts on the striker,the striker spring slightly collapsed by leaving the rifle cocked for VERY long periods,and,a dirty bore,from shooting dry pellets.
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Keep it up !! n/t

Msg. 109461  Posted by Axel on May 06, 1999 at 08:58:06:

In Reply to: air fifle hunting tips and GUN PICS posted by Leighton Hood From New Zealand on May 06, 1999 at 06:09:41:

nt
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Re: NEW AIRGUN PAGE!!!! NO ONE BELIEVED I WOULD MAKE IT!!! WELL HERE IT IS!

Msg. 109460  Posted by Peter on May 06, 1999 at 08:49:15:

In Reply to: NEW AIRGUN PAGE!!!! NO ONE BELIEVED I WOULD MAKE IT!!! WELL HERE IT IS! posted by Steven Flannery on May 05, 1999 at 23:38:10:

Fun Page nicely done
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Re: Airgun Letter May '99 p.5 chronograph statistics ...

Msg. 109459  Posted by The Airgun Letter on May 06, 1999 at 08:44:28:

In Reply to: Re: Airgun Letter May '99 p.5 chronograph statistics ... posted by vZc on May 05, 1999 at 20:58:47:

You wrote:
Don't recollect a chronograph model specified for the test.
=======================
We're using an Oehler 35P. Tom has mentioned it in most of the tests written up in the newsletters and even mentioned it in the cover article (Tanker Carbine) of that same issue.

***************************

You also wrote:
Tom does not appear to be too numerically concerned about actual weight or bore angle accuracy; hitherto don't care or theoretical characterizations.
=======================
There is a point of diminishing returns where additional data does nothing to enhance, change or increase the accuracy, experience or pleasure of shooting. Upon reviewing the article, I see he mentioned the weight of the pellets as well as the bore angle. We feel the review was fair to the gun and reported honestly.

Edith Gaylord
The Airgun Letter
staff@null.null
http://www.airgunletter.null
http://www.airgunletter.com

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Felt pellets - Who has them? (nt)

Msg. 109458  Posted by andye on May 06, 1999 at 08:42:20:



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Re: Rabbit Hunting Tips

Msg. 109456  Posted by Johnny O. on May 06, 1999 at 08:35:50:

In Reply to: Re: Rabbit Hunting Tips posted by Andrew Leung on May 06, 1999 at 02:52:58:

You have just used up you 15 minutes of fame. Hee Hee
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Re: Supersport...

Msg. 109455  Posted by chuck bridgeland on May 06, 1999 at 08:19:55:

In Reply to: Re: Supersport... posted by Mark Lemm on May 06, 1999 at 02:12:45:

>$180 the prices are on Precision Sales web site.

but the carbine is listed seperatly at $308. For that price I'll live with a longer barrel.

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Re: Jeff: Johnny O. and the tune on your RWS 48......

Msg. 109454  Posted by Johnny O. on May 06, 1999 at 08:19:01:

In Reply to: Johnny O. and the tune on your RWS 48...... posted by Jeff on May 05, 1999 at 20:35:20:

Jeff, I can't provide velocity as I don't own or have access to a chrony. However, I have a .22 cal mod 48 and the tune was done by Jim Maccari. It, not doubt, shoots smoother and has totally eliminated spring twang, which I have to say was quite substantial on that gun. It was much more noticable to me after shooting my PE. Either way, it's gone now. My gun seems to do rather well with most pellets. That is a little strange given what I have read on the forum and experienced on my own with other spring guns that I have. It is, however, most accurate with CP's. It does pretty well with Super Domes, Super HP's and FTS. The funny thing is, before the tune it would not shoot heavy pellets very well. Tried Crow-mags and they shot all over the place, as well as down to the left. After the tune, they don't shoot low anymore and the grouping has gotten better. It also seems to like the real heavy Kodiak's. They group pretty good. Go figure! All in all, I like the tune a lot. It has made a vast improvement on the way the gun shoots. Oh yeah, it also has reduced felt recoil some too. Many people knock the RWS guns. I guess there are some valid reasons for that. However, the mod 48 is designed to plink and hunt. For that, it has good power and accuracy both. There are other guns I own that shoot better, but that does not mean my 48 will be up for sale anytime soon. Lastly, I would recommend Maccari highly. He has tuned 3 of my guns so far. All shoot real nice. He's a good guy to talk to and he delivers when he says he will. As a customer, I like that. I'll stop chewing your ear off now. Hope this helps with your decision....
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Falcon Raptor

Msg. 109453  Posted by Allen on May 06, 1999 at 08:16:18:

What would cause one of these to drop velocity after a couple thousand shots? It was set up when new to shoot CP's @ 850 fps. I chronoed a few times in the first months of ownership and it was real consistent at that velocity. Yesterday I happened to chrono again, and the velocity is more like 830 fps. for the same charge. Uh-oh, what does this mean?
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Re: Can a R1 be used for FT

Msg. 109451  Posted by LOU V.K. on May 06, 1999 at 08:02:21:

In Reply to: Re: Can a R1 be used for FT posted by Mark Lemm on May 06, 1999 at 01:53:56:


Mark,you are dispensing inaccurate information again. There is no such class as that for break barrel only rifles. The piston gun class has two variations,but,how the rifle is cocked is not one of the variants defined in the rule book. This means that if a shooter puts a Leupold Mk l V on a Chinese break barrel,he is ' technically ' in the same class as LD shooting one of his Whiscomb's,a couple of which have tilting barrels.
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Re: Besides keeping barrels clean, does pellet oil increase pellet speeds?

Msg. 109450  Posted by LOU V.K. on May 06, 1999 at 07:40:49:

In Reply to: Besides keeping barrels clean, does pellet oil increase pellet speeds? posted by John N. on May 06, 1999 at 07:32:59:


In the testing that I did,about 5 years ago,lubed pellets rarely were faster through the bullet speedometer than dry ones. In fact,in many cases,the velocity was very slightly lower. My take on this,after shootong a LOT of pellets into water,where I could retrieve them in undamaged condition was,those pellets which were lubed failed to obturate,( swell to fit ),as much as the dry ones.This indicated to me that the lubricant allowed the pellets to move down the bore before a good seal was made between the skirt,and the bore.This made for lower velocities,IMHO.This varied with different barrels,and,different pellets.
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Besides keeping barrels clean, does pellet oil increase pellet speeds?

Msg. 109449  Posted by John N. on May 06, 1999 at 07:32:59:

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Re: Harry, Shirley, amp; Billy Dawg

Msg. 109448  Posted by Ben on May 06, 1999 at 07:23:25:

In Reply to: Harry, Shirley, amp; Billy Dawg posted by chasm on May 05, 1999 at 22:51:13:

Yep, definately some neat folks that I got to talk to also for a while when the little league hellions set off the fire alarm...& a poodle that didn't try to take off a hand. Some things never cease to amaze me... ;)

They were both a little skittish since they just made it through the recent Florida fires.
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Re: Canadian 2289 the easiest gun to make " illegal "

Msg. 109447  Posted by Benoit Landry on May 06, 1999 at 07:18:45:

In Reply to: Re: Canadian 2289 the easiest gun to make " illegal " posted by Jeff on May 05, 1999 at 22:02:33:

Only the pneumatic backpacker and the 1322/1377 as far as I know. all you need to do is remove the barrel, the O-ring that seals the transfer port and pry off the disc. I discovered it was actually a small disc while trying to enlarge the hole with a drill, and the ring just popped off. I think it's glued in there somehow, because it did take quite some time before it came off. try a small blade screwdriver, It should work just fine.

Ben
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Re: air fifle hunting tips and GUN PICS

Msg. 109446  Posted by Tim Baker on May 06, 1999 at 06:35:12:

In Reply to: air fifle hunting tips and GUN PICS posted by Leighton Hood From New Zealand on May 06, 1999 at 06:09:41:

cool page!
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will it work in a makarov?

Msg. 109445  Posted by joe on May 06, 1999 at 06:34:00:

In Reply to: Re: Does BB shot fit the .177 bores, and of good enough quality to use in airguns? posted by RBest on May 06, 1999 at 00:06:26:

The makarov air pistols normally shoot steel BBs. The gammo round lead bbs won't fit in the magazine. Maybe BB shot would?



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air fifle hunting tips and GUN PICS

Msg. 109444  Posted by Leighton Hood From New Zealand on May 06, 1999 at 06:09:41:

Please view my webpage at the address listed below, and give me some pointers on fixing it (apart from the position of the text. I would also like some airgun or hunting pics for my site, with your credits. Happy hunting!!!!

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Re: '' We can rechoke your barrel-no matter how short! POR ''

Msg. 109443  Posted by Jerry G on May 06, 1999 at 06:04:57:

In Reply to: '' We can rechoke your barrel-no matter how short! POR '' posted by vZc on May 05, 1999 at 22:29:06:

Why do I get the feeling JM is just shaking his head?
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Re: Think about it---

Msg. 109442  Posted by MR Bulk� on May 06, 1999 at 05:50:35:

In Reply to: Think about it--- posted by RBest on May 05, 1999 at 20:28:23:

Reminds me of the Brocock and Crown/Uberti air cartridge systems, except on Korean steroids. They are cumbersome and inefficient setups that I Really Hate - NO aftermarket mods from me.

Besides, are we hunting squirrels or elephants?

MR Bulk�


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Re: Variations also exist from gun to gun, for example---

Msg. 109441  Posted by Jerry G on May 06, 1999 at 05:48:42:

In Reply to: Variations also exist from gun to gun, for example--- posted by Burris on May 06, 1999 at 01:01:51:

That's the most potent SuperSport I've heard of. Most won't do 700FPS with Premiers.
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Looking for Norica airguns pictures or other information.

Msg. 109440  Posted by Sasha on May 06, 1999 at 05:45:35:

I didn't find in inte.null any information about
Norica airguns, except few words on beeman web site that some guns they sell are made by
Norica.

But, may be anybody know, where I can find
_in_inte.null_
any information about Norica airguns. At least
its pictures.
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'' His past posts prove he doesn't know jack. He just keeps posting his ignorance. ''

Msg. 109439  Posted by vZc on May 06, 1999 at 05:31:27:

In Reply to: Re: JBM online Ballistics calculators IE 5.0 with 3D Banshee : it's the Creative software driver... posted by Righton on May 05, 1999 at 23:56:37:

I admit limited knowledge of air gunning & post to get other opinions (floating ideas to sink or swim).

ld's spirit lives on !
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Re: NEW AIRGUN PAGE!!!! NO ONE BELIEVED I WOULD MAKE IT!!! WELL HERE IT IS!

Msg. 109438  Posted by MR Bulk� on May 06, 1999 at 05:28:28:

In Reply to: NEW AIRGUN PAGE!!!! NO ONE BELIEVED I WOULD MAKE IT!!! WELL HERE IT IS! posted by Steven Flannery on May 05, 1999 at 23:38:10:

Hey Big Guy, anybody ever tell you ya look just like...

Nice site.

MR Bulk�


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NT 4.0 System lock-up @ JBM Online Ballistics calculators (url) with IE 5.0 and 3D Banshee video adapter ...

Msg. 109437  Posted by vZc on May 06, 1999 at 05:26:32:

In Reply to: Re: JBM online Ballistics calculators IE 5.0 with 3D Banshee : it's the Creative software driver... posted by Duh on May 05, 1999 at 23:51:58:

... caused by Creative's (mfg) software driver.

Replacement with a 3Dfx driver fixed the problem.


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Re: Rabbit Hunting Tips

Msg. 109436  Posted by MR Bulk� on May 06, 1999 at 05:23:54:

In Reply to: Re: Rabbit Hunting Tips posted by Andrew Leung on May 05, 1999 at 23:54:20:

Hey Andrew, starting to sound as though you really Like that Career, huh?

MR Bulk�


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Re pulling undersized button that would follow existing rifling ...

Msg. 109435  Posted by vZc on May 06, 1999 at 05:12:25:

In Reply to: Re: typically Jim M. is slow responding. I suspect after rechoking ... posted by RBest on May 05, 1999 at 23:11:49:

... or simply insertion of tapered steel pin from breech and compress (choke) to taper without rifling enhancement.
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Re: Windage and Pellet Drift ~ The Math

Msg. 109434  Posted by A-Team-RAY on May 06, 1999 at 04:58:02:

In Reply to: Re: Windage and Pellet Drift ~ The Math posted by E Fudd on May 06, 1999 at 01:11:33:

Logically I agree with you. This equation from the reloading manual and the equation from FSI airgun ballistics don't take it into account. So either it isn't important or both sources are missing something. I have been able to predict the drift with this equation but never 100%. Like I said I use it as a Guide and then let my gutt take over.

Ray from ~ The "A" Team
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AirGunExpress RWS 48 .20 cal spec remains unchanged on WEB page ...

Msg. 109433  Posted by vZc on May 06, 1999 at 04:54:45:

In Reply to: vZc Read this posted by Billy on May 06, 1999 at 01:43:26:

" 875 W14.3 Grain pellet " can't really comment further until I get one.
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Re: Rabbit Hunting Tips

Msg. 109432  Posted by Andrew Leung on May 06, 1999 at 02:52:58:

In Reply to: Re: Rabbit Hunting Tips posted by Adam on May 06, 1999 at 01:40:00:

That's me

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Re: Whole Lotta Lead

Msg. 109431  Posted by Lon on May 06, 1999 at 02:38:04:

In Reply to: Whole Lotta Lead posted by Mac1 on May 05, 1999 at 18:10:26:

Hey Tim,
Got any Crosman 600's laying around? I'm interested in 1.
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Re: Airgun Letter May '99 p.5 chronograph statistics ...

Msg. 109430  Posted by Lon on May 06, 1999 at 02:30:18:

In Reply to: Re: Airgun Letter May '99 p.5 chronograph statistics ... posted by vZc on May 05, 1999 at 20:58:47:

C'mon,
Just shoot the damn thing.
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Re: Hunting rifles

Msg. 109429  Posted by Mark Lemm on May 06, 1999 at 02:17:22:

In Reply to: Re: Hunting rifles posted by LOU V.K. on May 05, 1999 at 09:49:28:

Thanks for the correction Lou. I went hunting with a guy who was shooting a SuperTen and it's one sweet shooting and looking rifle but I'm still not a fan of PCP's.

-Mark Lemm
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Re: Supersport...

Msg. 109428  Posted by Mark Lemm on May 06, 1999 at 02:12:45:

In Reply to: Supersport... posted by Adam on May 06, 1999 at 02:04:26:

$180 the prices are on Precision Sales web site.


-Mark
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Re: Webley Vulcan

Msg. 109427  Posted by Mark Lemm on May 06, 1999 at 02:11:27:

In Reply to: Webley Vulcan posted by Bill on May 04, 1999 at 22:22:30:

Hey Bill I have the same gun! I bought mine about the same time you did. About six months ago I had Dave Slade put a gas ram into it and do a trigger tune, what a difference!! The velocity went up about 70fts and the vibration went WAY down, no more "twang". My trigger was also very stiff and now it's very smoooooth. A ram and tune will cost about $140 but I guarantee you it's the best money you'll ever spend on your Vulcan. If you want more details or want to rap with a fellow Vulcan owner just send me an e-mail.

Happy Shooting

Mark Lemm
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Re: NEW AIRGUN PAGE!!!! NO ONE BELIEVED I WOULD MAKE IT!!! WELL HERE IT IS!

Msg. 109426  Posted by Jim C. on May 06, 1999 at 02:09:04:

In Reply to: NEW AIRGUN PAGE!!!! NO ONE BELIEVED I WOULD MAKE IT!!! WELL HERE IT IS! posted by Steven Flannery on May 05, 1999 at 23:38:10:

Boy oh boy, I can still remeber when I had one of those
big old ugly PG&E towers in my back yard. Me and my buddy
who lived next door would spend hours dropping Tower Tweaks
(Starlings) off the top of that tower.Lots of fun. I had
a Crosman 760 and he had some equally POS Daisy. You could watch
the BB's swirl around on their way to the target through
the scope. As long as a miss didn't hit metal, the birds
didn't move. When you hit one, it was a LOOOOOONG way down
for them to drop and they usually did it screaming
all the way. Man, I sure wish I had one of them ugly things
in my yard now.......
Jim C.
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Supersport...

Msg. 109425  Posted by Adam on May 06, 1999 at 02:04:26:

Anyone know how much the BSA-Supersport America Carbine costs. Thanx
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Re: Does anyone have any information on Benj 392 steroid upgrades?

Msg. 109424  Posted by Mark Lemm on May 06, 1999 at 01:59:23:

In Reply to: Does anyone have any information on Benj 392 steroid upgrades? posted by John n on May 05, 1999 at 15:27:52:

Here are some details for you. Contact Mac-1 for updated info.

Steriod and Billet tune for your gun would be $105 until the end of this month. Then it goes to $115. I make the gun easier to pump until you get to the factory max of eight. The trigger is 2.5 lbs. instead of eleven pounds. The piston is modified to be adjustable so it pumps more air each stroke. The valve has been redisigned to hold more and release more. The lever is made from solid metal so it lasts forever. The bolt is reconfigured so it flows air better.

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Re: Can Anyone Help Me With A Tuned R9?

Msg. 109423  Posted by Mark Lemm on May 06, 1999 at 01:57:38:

In Reply to: Can Anyone Help Me With A Tuned R9? posted by Tim on May 05, 1999 at 16:13:16:

Just so Russ doesn't have to post the actual numbers for the 200th time here they are (his testing)


Finally got to shoot the Tarantula today. The gun is now vibrationless, and smoother, although since we went up in power, there is still recoil. It's just easier to manage now! I chose to test the
three pellets I used the most in previous shootings I've done with the R-9 when it was stock. here's the info
� Pellet used( all .20)� Stock R-9� � Tarantula R-9
� Beeman Ramjet� � � � � 740 fps� � � �� 800 fps
� Beeman Kodiaks� � � �� 655 fps� � � �� 720 fps
� Premier 14.3 gr� � � � 650 fps� � � �� 710 fps


The R9 is a great gun, mines on order from macarri right now, but you can always just buy one now and get it tuned later. StraightShooters has good prices and service.

-Mark Lemm
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Re: Is that gun one of those new Careers I heard about? NT.

Msg. 109422  Posted by Lon on May 06, 1999 at 01:53:57:

In Reply to: NEW AIRGUN PAGE!!!! NO ONE BELIEVED I WOULD MAKE IT!!! WELL HERE IT IS! posted by Steven Flannery on May 05, 1999 at 23:38:10:

nt
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Re: Can a R1 be used for FT

Msg. 109421  Posted by Mark Lemm on May 06, 1999 at 01:53:56:

In Reply to: Can a R1 be used for FT posted by JW on May 05, 1999 at 16:13:27:

Sure why not. Most quality air rifles are capable of being competitive in FT. Is you use a break barrel gun you'll only compete again guys using a similar type gun. I use a .177 Vulcan right now for FT and it works fine. You might want to get the gun tuned if you haven't already to make it shoot smoother. One of my FT buddies shoots a .22 R1 with a gas ram for FT and does pretty well. The gas ram in an R1 is a nice upgrade. Airgun works can set up up if you're interested.

Happy Shooting

Mark Lemm

P.S. Wish you were in CA you could shoot at my club!
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Re: Whole Lotta Lead

Msg. 109420  Posted by Jim C. on May 06, 1999 at 01:53:35:

In Reply to: Whole Lotta Lead posted by Mac1 on May 05, 1999 at 18:10:26:

Soooo Tim........
When is my order gonna get here.......?
:')
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Re: Scope?.......

Msg. 109419  Posted by E Fudd on May 06, 1999 at 01:44:21:

In Reply to: Scope?....... posted by Ron B on May 05, 1999 at 13:53:30:

I guess I'm at the other end of the spectrum. I put some form of aftermarket sight on everything I own except for defensive handguns and shotguns. I can shoot open sights, (I qualified expert many times with the M-16 while in the national guard), but I don't like them.
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vZc Read this

Msg. 109418  Posted by Billy on May 06, 1999 at 01:43:26:

v, a poster at shooters stated that his RWS 48 in 20 averages 775 with premiers, pretty much inline with the 774 that they quoted me in a live test. 875 seems to be unlikely with premiers with a stock gun unless it diesels. I'm a bit dissapointed, I'd have bought a stock 875 fps gun
Billy
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Re: Webley vs. BSA

Msg. 109417  Posted by Mark Lemm on May 06, 1999 at 01:42:04:

In Reply to: Webley vs. BSA posted by jcbii on May 06, 1999 at 00:28:12:

I own a Vulcan and have shot a SuperSport and like my Vulcan better it just seems more solidly made but that's just me. Precision Sales has a deal on SuperSports in order to introduce BSA's to the American market. They are in effect "giving" away Supersports with the hope that customers will have a positive feeling about the BSA brand. SuperSports normally are $300 guns. Webley's are already pretty well established here thanks to importing from Beeman but their prices are not really that much higher when you discount the SuperSport.

Just my observation, I've seen a lot more posts from people having problems with their SuperSports than I have about people having problems with their Webleys.

Regards,

Mark Lemm
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Re: Rabbit Hunting Tips

Msg. 109416  Posted by Adam on May 06, 1999 at 01:40:00:

In Reply to: Re: Rabbit Hunting Tips posted by Andrew Leung on May 05, 1999 at 23:54:20:

Andrew Leung??? I think I remember reading an article about you hunting in the latest issue of U.S airgun. Is this true?
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Re: NEW AIRGUN PAGE!!!! NO ONE BELIEVED I WOULD MAKE IT!!! WELL HERE IT IS!

Msg. 109415  Posted by tommy hudson on May 06, 1999 at 01:25:19:

In Reply to: NEW AIRGUN PAGE!!!! NO ONE BELIEVED I WOULD MAKE IT!!! WELL HERE IT IS! posted by Steven Flannery on May 05, 1999 at 23:38:10:

hay steave nice page - going to be home tomorrow - im sure the ATF - Miss reno and CNN will a come a nocken!

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Re: Rabbit Hunting Tips

Msg. 109414  Posted by E Fudd on May 06, 1999 at 01:23:37:

In Reply to: Re: Rabbit Hunting Tips posted by Dave Monck on May 05, 1999 at 17:41:42:

I believe European rabbits are different from the cottontails here in the states. I have noticed that feral domestic rabbits, (originally bred from European rabbits), tend to live in large crowded colonies, while wild cottontails are more solitary and more dificult to hunt. I've read some of the rabbit hunting stories in Airgunner and Airgun World, and you guys sure shoot a lot more rabbits over there than we do here. Or it could be that we just have more predators and less rabbits.
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Re: Windage and Pellet Drift

Msg. 109413  Posted by Wolfesbane on May 06, 1999 at 01:12:35:

In Reply to: Re: Windage and Pellet Drift posted by Jim Baumann on May 05, 1999 at 21:46:04:


My three Degrees in the related Science(Physics), twenty-five years of professional work and research in the field, and thirty years of competitive shooting have given me a working knowledge of ballstics. You, onthe other hand, are the avowed expert. You are selling software that purports to be "The Ballistic Solution". Nothing raises my personal and professional ire more than people claiming to knowledge they don't possess, and then selling a product to unsuspecting buyers based on that lack of knowledge. You admit to not understanding much of ballistics in your later posts, but advertise your software in every one of them. What an interesting advertising concept-"I don't know what I'm talking about, but buy my software anyway!"
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Re: Windage and Pellet Drift ~ The Math

Msg. 109412  Posted by E Fudd on May 06, 1999 at 01:11:33:

In Reply to: Re: Windage and Pellet Drift ~ The Math posted by A-TEAM-RAY on May 05, 1999 at 14:53:12:

No offense, but I have a feeling this is the bonehead version. To truly predict drift I think it would need to take into account the BC of the projectile from its profile. My reasoning for this is both experience with light and heavy projectiles, and instinctive reasoning. Once in motion an object will continue in a straight line unless acted on by some outside force, (wind). A 10 mph breeze should affect a 7.9 grain .177 pellet much more than a 750 grain .50 bmg bullet even if velocities are the same, just because the bullet will have a much higher ratio of mass to surface area. Kind of a feather vs. a bowling ball analogy.
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Re: Hey Russ

Msg. 109411  Posted by RBest on May 06, 1999 at 01:05:41:

In Reply to: Hey Russ posted by Billy on May 06, 1999 at 01:03:41:

Billy--- not at first. I used the stock seal and saw nearly 60 fps improvement. The Accuglide boosted it another 20 fps after I added that. Russ
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Hey Russ

Msg. 109410  Posted by Billy on May 06, 1999 at 01:03:41:

Russ, did you use the accuglide seal when you tuned your 20 R9
Billy
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Re: Webley vs. BSA

Msg. 109409  Posted by RBest on May 06, 1999 at 01:03:39:

In Reply to: Webley vs. BSA posted by jcbii on May 06, 1999 at 00:28:12:

Speaking from experience, they are both pretty well built airguns. Webley has a tank like reputation---- solid; and BSA isn't far behind. Of course, it depends on which models you are talking about. The higher end Beesas are very solid guns too, and I don't mean that to be a negative in reference to the Supersport. Considering the thousands of SS's sold, they are doing very well ! Regards, Russ
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Variations also exist from gun to gun, for example---

Msg. 109408  Posted by Burris on May 06, 1999 at 01:01:51:

In Reply to: Benjamin 392 VS. BSA SS posted by Rusty on May 05, 1999 at 21:17:56:

I just received a Supersport in .22 from Precision Sales, and it chronographed as follows: Crosman premiers[14.3] 730fps / RWS Superdome[14.5] 695fps / Beeman Silverbear [12.6] 740fps. This is about 17 ft/lbs and I can live with that. Today, I received an RWS-46 in .22 and it is only doing 672fps with Hobbies[11.9gr]! Go figure. If it doesn't improve within the next 500 or so pellets, it is going straight back to RWS. I'm sure they will make it right. Maybe you should contact your retailer or the importer and ask for some sort of remedy. Most major companies are pretty good about replacing airguns that are performing poorly. Give it a shot. Regards, Bill
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Variations also exist from gun to gun, for example---

Msg. 109407  Posted by Burris on May 06, 1999 at 01:01:44:

In Reply to: Benjamin 392 VS. BSA SS posted by Rusty on May 05, 1999 at 21:17:56:

I just received a Supersport in .22 from Precision Sales, and it chronographed as follows: Crosman premiers[14.3] 730fps / RWS Superdome[14.5] 695fps / Beeman Silverbear [12.6] 740fps. This is about 17 ft/lbs and I can live with that. Today, I received an RWS-46 in .22 and it is only doing 672fps with Hobbies[11.9gr]! Go figure. If it doesn't improve within the next 500 or so pellets, it is going straight back to RWS. I'm sure they will make it right. Maybe you should contact your retailer or the importer and ask for some sort of remedy. Most major companies are pretty good about replacing airguns that are performing poorly. Give it a shot. Regards, Bill
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Get arrested? I doubt it...

Msg. 109406  Posted by DAS on May 06, 1999 at 01:00:41:

In Reply to: Re: Ship by US Postal Service... AND GET ARRESTED (nt) posted by DALE W MERRILL SR on May 05, 1999 at 23:25:02:

I have shipped quite a few airguns to the UK, Canada and even Hong Kong using the US Postal Service. And, I ALWAYS fully disclose EXACTLY what was in my shipment on the customs documents. Where did you get your information from? Obviously NOT from my local US Post Office. They ship airguns for me all the time without question.

Dave

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Re: Shipping airgun to Canada, How?

Msg. 109405  Posted by jb/ohio on May 06, 1999 at 00:49:41:

In Reply to: Shipping airgun to Canada, How? posted by johns on May 05, 1999 at 21:29:53:


well, johns, if "ups" is telling you that you can't ship or receive an airgun, then you must be dealing with the same idiot i've dealt with for the past year. you can. a year or two ago edith posted a number to call. i'm betting she still has it; otherwise, i'll look it up for you. or do what i do now. avoid the hassle and send it by the us postal service. joe blake of ohio
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Re: NEW AIRGUN PAGE!!!! NO ONE BELIEVED I WOULD MAKE IT!!! WELL HERE IT IS!

Msg. 109404  Posted by Stocky on May 06, 1999 at 00:45:34:

In Reply to: NEW AIRGUN PAGE!!!! NO ONE BELIEVED I WOULD MAKE IT!!! WELL HERE IT IS! posted by Steven Flannery on May 05, 1999 at 23:38:10:

SaaaY...
Isn't that dog the rare African Bisengi???
(by far the best hunting dog on the pl.null)
and the quietest..shhhhhh!
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Re: NEW AIRGUN PAGE!!!! NO ONE BELIEVED I WOULD MAKE IT!!! WELL HERE IT IS!

Msg. 109403  Posted by jb/ohio on May 06, 1999 at 00:44:43:

In Reply to: NEW AIRGUN PAGE!!!! NO ONE BELIEVED I WOULD MAKE IT!!! WELL HERE IT IS! posted by Steven Flannery on May 05, 1999 at 23:38:10:


steven, that was really something! just getting online is a major feat for me! and, let's see, what was the problem needing elimination? your neighbor? the solution to this is obvious. or, is the problem your neighbor's attitude toward "bb guns" and dead birds stacked up on her patio? if the latter, it could mean some interaction work, but a whole lot less hassle for you and your neighbor. joe blake of ohio
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A truly devoted airgunner...no doubt about it!

Msg. 109402  Posted by Tom Jue/ca/usa on May 06, 1999 at 00:44:16:

In Reply to: NEW AIRGUN PAGE!!!! NO ONE BELIEVED I WOULD MAKE IT!!! WELL HERE IT IS! posted by Steven Flannery on May 05, 1999 at 23:38:10:

Great job Steve.

Nice to know we have such devoted airgunners.

Tom Jue/ca/usa
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Yeah, right scope shim, the three incher......nt

Msg. 109401  Posted by Ron B on May 06, 1999 at 00:40:22:

In Reply to: Yeah, right. posted by E Fudd on May 06, 1999 at 00:31:41:


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Yeah, right.

Msg. 109400  Posted by E Fudd on May 06, 1999 at 00:31:41:

In Reply to: A FOUR MILE GUN,WOW! posted by Denny D on May 05, 1999 at 23:57:40:

I believe the longest range successful kill on record was by Carlos Hathcock at 2500 yards. As for 7500 yards what a bunch of bull. Can you imagine trying to calculate your adjustments. Lets see I'll try 1574 feet elevation and 196 feet windage.
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Re: Ask and you shall receive; procastination on .22 cal purchase, then gauge pins for analysis...

Msg. 109399  Posted by Bob on May 06, 1999 at 00:28:47:

In Reply to: Ask and you shall receive; procastination on .22 cal purchase, then gauge pins for analysis... posted by vZc on May 05, 1999 at 20:43:37:

After reading this I think , what a waste of time. If you're gonna post something, impart some knowledge or ask a question.
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Webley vs. BSA

Msg. 109398  Posted by jcbii on May 06, 1999 at 00:28:12:

Are the Webley Break barrel guns (like the Vulcan)and the BSA SuperSports about the same in quality? Just wondering because of the price difference (looks like you can get BSA's a lot cheaper).
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Re: What a fun site!! Watch out for falling pellets

Msg. 109397  Posted by Guess Who? on May 06, 1999 at 00:27:02:

In Reply to: What a fun site!! posted by Denny D on May 06, 1999 at 00:14:03:

I was more concerned about where the misses were landing. Someone else could get annoyed.
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Samp;W 586

Msg. 109396  Posted by Rusty on May 06, 1999 at 00:23:40:

For all those that were interested in the new S&W 586 follow the links section in the Air Gun Letter and you will see a site for Golden Toller Guns. They have the gun listed there. I just founf it 5/6/99 0027 hrs EST
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Re: Airgun Letter May '99 p.5 chronograph statistics ...

Msg. 109395  Posted by Bob on May 06, 1999 at 00:20:01:

In Reply to: Re: Airgun Letter May '99 p.5 chronograph statistics ... posted by vZc on May 05, 1999 at 20:58:47:

What?
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Re: Burnt Piston Seal? PE.

Msg. 109394  Posted by RBest on May 06, 1999 at 00:19:46:

In Reply to: Burnt Piston Seal? posted by Alain on May 05, 1999 at 07:32:12:

Alain: you left out spring damage. You are probably right about a blown seal. Lip could be torn if it's factory stock. If these guns were purchased from Maccari or Watts, I'd get them on the 'horn'. In any case, the dealer should be notified , to schedule repair. Regards, Russ
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But, cVz can sometimes research and answer his own posts!........

Msg. 109393  Posted by Ron B on May 06, 1999 at 00:19:23:

In Reply to: Re: JBM online Ballistics calculators IE 5.0 with 3D Banshee : it's the Creative software driver... posted by Righton on May 05, 1999 at 23:56:37:

Therefore, we are but commentators to his unairing knowledge.

Se la vie,

Ron
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Re: NEW AIRGUN PAGE!!!! NO ONE BELIEVED I WOULD MAKE IT!!! WELL HERE IT IS!

Msg. 109392  Posted by E Fudd on May 06, 1999 at 00:18:22:

In Reply to: NEW AIRGUN PAGE!!!! NO ONE BELIEVED I WOULD MAKE IT!!! WELL HERE IT IS! posted by Steven Flannery on May 05, 1999 at 23:38:10:

There's an easy way to solve your noise problem. Just make sure the muzzle of your gun is within the shed when you shoot, preferably a few feet inside. Have a friend shoot a few shots with the gun sticking out the window, and a few inside the window, while you stand outside and compare the noise levels. You will see a vast difference.
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Re: Ray, its Luis not Lois. Are you thinking about babes?

Msg. 109391  Posted by A-TEAM-RAY on May 06, 1999 at 00:18:06:

In Reply to: Ray, its Luis not Lois. Are you thinking about babes? posted by Luis Leon on May 05, 1999 at 21:31:54:

Sorry about that. I typed in Louis and deleted the wrong extra letter.

Speed drills are gonna be slow with that baby. You better practice cocking and loading.

Ray from ~ The "A" Team
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What a fun site!!

Msg. 109390  Posted by Denny D on May 06, 1999 at 00:14:03:

In Reply to: NEW AIRGUN PAGE!!!! NO ONE BELIEVED I WOULD MAKE IT!!! WELL HERE IT IS! posted by Steven Flannery on May 05, 1999 at 23:38:10:

Great layout, photography and design. Those wires seem really high for a head shot. What happens if you hitthe wire instead of the bird? Does a city go down instead of the bird? I really like your site, but felt a need to pull your chain a litle on the height of the shot. Denny D
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Re: NEW AIRGUN PAGE!!!! NO ONE BELIEVED I WOULD MAKE IT!!! WELL HERE IT IS!

Msg. 109389  Posted by ktk on May 06, 1999 at 00:10:22:

In Reply to: NEW AIRGUN PAGE!!!! NO ONE BELIEVED I WOULD MAKE IT!!! WELL HERE IT IS! posted by Steven Flannery on May 05, 1999 at 23:38:10:


Steven,
Nice page, I liked the tunes and the moonshot by bart
Simpson was pretty funny. I shoot my gun out the window too. I do it almost identical, slightly downward angle to prevent stray pellets.
ktk
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Thanks Russ, Guess I can forget that!! (NT)

Msg. 109388  Posted by Wampas on May 06, 1999 at 00:10:13:

In Reply to: Re: Does BB shot fit the .177 bores, and of good enough quality to use in airguns? posted by RBest on May 06, 1999 at 00:06:26:

-
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Possible reason.......

Msg. 109387  Posted by Ron B on May 06, 1999 at 00:08:38:

In Reply to: Pellets: how much difference in impact points?? posted by Chadd Thompson on May 05, 1999 at 21:05:57:

In firearms the bullet moving down the barrel tries to straighten the rifleing. This tends to cause the barrel to rotate in a circular manor. On the 1903A3 I have seen reports the 'swing' can be as much as 30 feet at 1000 yards.

It is critical that the projectile leave the barrel at the same point of the 'rotation', as well as the same velocity, for accuracy. This is the reason for 'bull barrels' and why short barrel guns can be so accurate. Barrels are also 'free floated' and the actions 'bedded' and in some cases 'bonded' to the stocks, to achieve consistancy.

In an airgun, I feel the same happens. But, it is much more suttle and other factors, such as spring recoil, are present.

Moderators and barrel weights 'smooth' the aim. They also act to 'load' the barrel structurally and modify the 'harmonics'.

JMO, and a few facts,

Ron
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Re: Does BB shot fit the .177 bores, and of good enough quality to use in airguns?

Msg. 109385  Posted by RBest on May 06, 1999 at 00:06:26:

In Reply to: Does BB shot fit the .177 bores, and of good enough quality to use in airguns? posted by Wampas on May 06, 1999 at 00:02:59:

Wampas: lead BB shot will roll out of the barrel. It's generally in the .174 to .175 diameter area and will not seal properly for power or accuracy. They DO kind of work in 4.4mm gallery guns like the Haenel 310 and the Diana that Airgun Express has on sale. Russ
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Never could get it loaded, it crashed the browser...80!....nt

Msg. 109384  Posted by Steve B. on May 06, 1999 at 00:03:54:

In Reply to: NEW AIRGUN PAGE!!!! NO ONE BELIEVED I WOULD MAKE IT!!! WELL HERE IT IS! posted by Steven Flannery on May 05, 1999 at 23:38:10:

Steve: Way ta go.

HTH - Steve B.
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Does BB shot fit the .177 bores, and of good enough quality to use in airguns?

Msg. 109382  Posted by Wampas on May 06, 1999 at 00:02:59:

If shotgun reloading shot fits, and is of good enough quality, wouldn't it cost much less than "Perfect Rounds?" Buckshot #4 is .25 cal. The shot has less than 2% antimony. Hope someone can answer these questions.
Thanks,
Wampas
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Re: Macarri Tunes

Msg. 109381  Posted by DonC on May 06, 1999 at 00:01:21:

In Reply to: Macarri Tunes posted by Greywolf on May 05, 1999 at 14:52:44:

You can't go wrong with a tune from Jim Macarri. If he doesn't tune the RX1 , he will give you advice you can bank on.
Yo,
Don
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Re: Say WHAT ??????

Msg. 109380  Posted by A-TEAM-RAY on May 05, 1999 at 23:57:51:

In Reply to: Say WHAT ?????? posted by RBest on May 05, 1999 at 21:40:09:

I knew I should have responded to that post right away. Bill is just trying to stir the pot and see what rises to the top. Thanks Bill. No this is just a rumor Bill just started.

Ray from ~ The "A" Team
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A FOUR MILE GUN,WOW!

Msg. 109379  Posted by Denny D on May 05, 1999 at 23:57:40:

In Reply to: ABC News .50 Cal Gun Poll posted by Dick Thomas-Premier Reticles on May 05, 1999 at 23:28:54:

Couldn't find a place to vote, but liked the vote displayed. Seems some people aren't bamboozled by the author's scare tactics intent. The whole concept is interesting to me: So we have a $4000 - $7000 rifle that is very accurate up to 4 miles. What the hell kind of scope would you put on it, and how much would a heartbeat throw a shot at 4 miles? How much does a 4 mile bullet cost and where can one buy one in Belleville, Illinois? Would my neighbors complain about the noise when I plinked at the next town from my garage??? A range increase from 40 yards to 4 miles is awesome for us airgunners to consider. The questions and possibilities are endless. Like in a half inch FT target at 4 miles, how much of the half inch 'pellet' would have to be centered to fit though the half inch hole to knock the target down? Or would the whole target just disappear on a close shot???? So many questions. Denny D
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Re: JBM online Ballistics calculators IE 5.0 with 3D Banshee : it's the Creative software driver...

Msg. 109378  Posted by Righton on May 05, 1999 at 23:56:37:

In Reply to: Re: JBM online Ballistics calculators IE 5.0 with 3D Banshee : it's the Creative software driver... posted by Duh on May 05, 1999 at 23:51:58:

vKc always tries to come across as Mr. Knowledge. His past posts prove he doesn't know jack. He just keeps posting his ignorance.
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Ditto To RBest Post (nt)

Msg. 109377  Posted by Howard C on May 05, 1999 at 23:56:19:

In Reply to: Re: NEW AIRGUN PAGE!!!! NO ONE BELIEVED I WOULD MAKE IT!!! WELL HERE IT IS! posted by RBest on May 05, 1999 at 23:46:25:

nt
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Re: Interesting...............

Msg. 109376  Posted by RBest on May 05, 1999 at 23:55:06:

In Reply to: Interesting............... posted by Ron B on May 05, 1999 at 23:42:34:

Ron: just think- the local pushers will be concealing these 60 lb irons under their silk shirts ! Has anyone ever actually been attacked with one of these? ( outside the battlefield that is). Does Jim Maccari make a muzzle brake for it? Do I need a spring compressor? Will it shoot CP Ultra heavies? ( 5000.7 gr). I think we need to address these issues before some high schooler takes on in for show and tell.( do you think the metal detector will sense it?) Tongue in Cheek, RB
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Re: Rabbit Hunting Tips

Msg. 109375  Posted by Andrew Leung on May 05, 1999 at 23:54:20:

In Reply to: Re: Rabbit Hunting Tips posted by Adam on May 05, 1999 at 01:55:58:

I generally prefer the nice Shoulderblade/neck shots myself...flatten one with my Career 2 weeks ago a 45 yards..didn't know what hit it....and it couldn't even move.
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Re: JBM online Ballistics calculators IE 5.0 with 3D Banshee : it's the Creative software driver...

Msg. 109374  Posted by Duh on May 05, 1999 at 23:51:58:

In Reply to: JBM online Ballistics calculators IE 5.0 with 3D Banshee : it's the Creative software driver... posted by vZc on May 05, 1999 at 17:13:24:

Your posts are always like reading code.
Say what you want to say.
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Re: BSA Super 10 Sling

Msg. 109373  Posted by DonC on May 05, 1999 at 23:49:10:

In Reply to: BSA Super 10 Sling posted by RLW on May 05, 1999 at 17:14:49:

B&M in England sells a "strap that will fit the bottle to hold a sling. WJS/wi/usa has purchased the same for his Theoben. You can reach him at airgunr@null.null
Yo'
Don
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Re: Pellets: how much difference in impact points??

Msg. 109372  Posted by Harry on May 05, 1999 at 23:48:52:

In Reply to: Pellets: how much difference in impact points?? posted by Chadd Thompson on May 05, 1999 at 21:05:57:

May not be recoil. I have had the same problem with my Crosman 2289 (a pump gun) I just got. Sighted it in with Crosman match pellets and then tried Beeman Crow Mags. Impact point moved 1/4 inch down and 3/4 in to the right! The group also opened up about 1/4 in. Switch back to Crosman and dead on again. The 2289 hardly recoils at all.
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Re: NEW AIRGUN PAGE!!!! NO ONE BELIEVED I WOULD MAKE IT!!! WELL HERE IT IS!

Msg. 109371  Posted by RBest on May 05, 1999 at 23:46:25:

In Reply to: NEW AIRGUN PAGE!!!! NO ONE BELIEVED I WOULD MAKE IT!!! WELL HERE IT IS! posted by Steven Flannery on May 05, 1999 at 23:38:10:

Stephen: Nice job( wish to hell I could do that).Wanna sell that machine gun? hehe. Russ
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Re: Crosman 2200...junk...

Msg. 109370  Posted by Andrew Leung on May 05, 1999 at 23:46:25:

In Reply to: Crosman 2200 posted by Donald on May 05, 1999 at 10:49:30:

I had one, was definitely not worth the money imo, The thing was not powerful NOR accurate....heck, one of those QB78 was just leaps and bounds better. I recall giving the darn thing away. Biggest problem with accuracy is that darn Clamshell receiver that is just junk. Plus the barrel is housed in a metal liner along with a slip fit front sight....it just spells Piss Poor accuracy. When I was shooting it, my ancient Daisey 880 shot better.

Stick with the B/S line of guns, higher grade as well as more powerful and accurate.

Now the OLDER Crosmans were really good...like the 140 and 1400 pump ups.


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Re: Hey, I only been at 3 mos so far

Msg. 109369  Posted by David in Texas on May 05, 1999 at 23:44:30:

In Reply to: Hey, I only been at 3 mos so far posted by PAL (rookie) on May 05, 1999 at 22:14:05:

Chasm: Give him a chance. He is just getting started. The bug speads slowly and gets a good grip on your senses. PAL will become one of us. He will crave more power and better accuracy. He will plan his life around the air gun shows and begin to talk in numbers and letters like TX200,R1,AA,ftlb and on and on. So we will give him a little time to convert and join us. All we need now is a decoder ring and we will be all set. Just kidding PAL. Glad you and Chasm could make it to Little Rock. David in Texas.
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Interesting...............

Msg. 109368  Posted by Ron B on May 05, 1999 at 23:42:34:

In Reply to: ABC News .50 Cal Gun Poll posted by Dick Thomas-Premier Reticles on May 05, 1999 at 23:28:54:

Dick,

I learned that the Browning has damn near twice the power and three tiems the range previously known!

I also learned newspaper folks are planning to use these rifles to shoot armored cars and other civilain and military targets. I believe those reporters requesting cartridges to shoot others should be arrested for making terroristic threats.

JMO,
Ron

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Re: RWS 48 .177

Msg. 109367  Posted by RBest on May 05, 1999 at 23:39:48:

In Reply to: RWS 48 .177 posted by dean on May 05, 1999 at 23:37:07:

Dean: the 48/52/54 series is pretty well maxxed out as it is. You can try a gas ram conversion from Vortek, but I don't know if it results in HIGHER power(at least to any significant degree). Russ
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NEW AIRGUN PAGE!!!! NO ONE BELIEVED I WOULD MAKE IT!!! WELL HERE IT IS!

Msg. 109366  Posted by Steven Flannery on May 05, 1999 at 23:38:10:

Hey everyone!! You have been a big help to me, I have some pictures of my situation of my house and my neighbor. Please take a look and leave a message on my guest book telling me what you think and what I should do. Thanks A LOT!!!
Sincerely, Steven Flannery

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RWS 48 .177

Msg. 109365  Posted by dean on May 05, 1999 at 23:37:07:

I am trying to find out what is the best way to
increase power without losing accuracy.I would
like to do a lot more hunting with my .177 rws 48
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Re: Can Anyone Help Me With A Tuned R9?

Msg. 109363  Posted by Jon B. on May 05, 1999 at 23:33:59:

In Reply to: Can Anyone Help Me With A Tuned R9? posted by Tim on May 05, 1999 at 16:13:16:

Tim: I have a "soft" tuned r-9 in .20 cal. It shoots the Silver Bears at about 830 fps, the FTS at about 750, and the crow mag at 700. The tarantula tune will get substantially higher fps, and I understand is still smoother than the stock gun.
HTH Jon B.
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ABC News .50 Cal Gun Poll

Msg. 109362  Posted by Dick Thomas-Premier Reticles on May 05, 1999 at 23:28:54:

Looks like those in power are looking at banning .50 caliber gun. If you want to vote and read about it click on the URL below.

Dick

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Another common misconception in the industry

Msg. 109361  Posted by RBest on May 05, 1999 at 23:28:42:

In Reply to: Benjamin 392 VS. BSA SS posted by Rusty on May 05, 1999 at 21:17:56:

Rusty: another thing some airgun companies do is to use a DIFFERENT pellet ( heavier) to get energy readings than are used for velocity readings. Lighter pellets generally produce less energy( ft/lbs), even though they go fast. So what to they do? Quote the highest velocity with a fast moving ( and damn near useless) pellet, then plug a heavy bruiser into the spout and get some high energy numbers.( but much slower velocity). Welcome to our world. Regards, Russ
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weight of diana pellet

Msg. 109360  Posted by Dean on May 05, 1999 at 23:27:03:

I recently bought a tin of DIANA ( high power )
.177 pellets but the weight is not printed on it
does anyone know the weight.
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Re: Ship by US Postal Service... AND GET ARRESTED (nt)

Msg. 109359  Posted by DALE W MERRILL SR on May 05, 1999 at 23:25:02:

In Reply to: Ship by US Postal Service... posted by DAS on May 05, 1999 at 22:26:29:

nt
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Re: HE FOUND IT!!!!

Msg. 109358  Posted by RBest on May 05, 1999 at 23:20:53:

In Reply to: Re: HE FOUND IT!!!! posted by Wade on May 05, 1999 at 23:16:48:

Wade; you are B R U T A L ! heh heh RB
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Re: Burnt Piston Seal?

Msg. 109357  Posted by jason on May 05, 1999 at 23:19:36:

In Reply to: Burnt Piston Seal? posted by Ed Devlin on May 05, 1999 at 07:06:58:

My Pro Elite did the exact same thing a few days ago. I was reading the messages here to see if any others have had this problem, found what I was looking for.
Mine is 5 months old with about 2000 pellets shot. Any suggestion on repair? Hoping for warranty coverage.
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It just depends on the pellets used

Msg. 109356  Posted by RBest on May 05, 1999 at 23:19:12:

In Reply to: Re: Benjamin 392 VS. BSA SS posted by Rusty on May 05, 1999 at 23:13:35:

Rusty ( my nickname too): I'll bet if we put some RWS Hobbies thru the BSA, it'll be pretty durn close to 800 fps. Crosman( and it's affiliates) use their own pellets for velocity testing, so the readings they provide should be pretty close. Beeman Silver Bears can do about 715 fps in the SS and they are heavier than Hobbies. Regards, Russ
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Re: What is it regulator for PCP ?.(no mess.)

Msg. 109355  Posted by Jim Morrow on May 05, 1999 at 23:18:57:

In Reply to: What is it regulator for PCP ?.(no mess.) posted by Oskar on May 05, 1999 at 13:11:38:

Mainly the regulator, drops the pressure from 3000 psi to some preset lower pressure. So if you bought a regulator set for 1750 psi, this is all the exhaust valve would see, instead of the full charge 3000 psi.
This means every shot, till you go off the regulator, will see a consistent 1750 psi. Only when the remaining available pressure goes below the regulator setting, called "coming off the regulator" will the velocity drop and variance increase. So two results, one the velocity stays constant, typically 5-10fps variance at most. Two the number of total shots goes up, because you are using less air per shot. The downside is that you get less maximum power, than without the regulator.
In the case of my Career 707, without a regulator, I got about 60 shots when set for 1100 fps with CP heavies. After the first 10 or 20 shots, the velocity really started varying, droping by 25-50fps. So you really don't get a large number of consistent shots. Some people manually turn the power wheel to compensate, but this alos reduces total number of shots.
With the regulator, I have power wheel set for 1050fps with CP lites. I now get about 130 shots before going off regulator, all at consistent velocity 5-10fps variance, and no power wheel changes. You could set the regulator pressure higher than 1750psi if you wanted more power, less shots, or you could set it lower even, if you wanted less power and more shots. If target shooting only, the regulator is quite an advantage, more shots on one charge, and more consistent velocity from shot to shot.

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UPS and international shipments.

Msg. 109354  Posted by Dave K. on May 05, 1999 at 23:18:42:

In Reply to: Shipping airgun to Canada, How? posted by johns on May 05, 1999 at 21:29:53:

John,

UPS in Canada has decided not to ship anything gun related across the Canada/US border. This is a company policy and as such many shooters in Canada are boycotting UPS for any shipping of any items.

If you are looking for a new Gamo Compact try either of these two places. They should be able to set you up just fine.

Guns N Things in Blackie, Alberta:
http://www.gunsnthings.com

GVR Enterprizes also in Edmonton, Alberta:
http://www.tti.null.com/web/gvr/

I would also look through the Resources page of the Airgunletter's home page for Canadian dealers. They are few and far between.

HTH

Dave K.
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Re: HE FOUND IT!!!!

Msg. 109353  Posted by Wade on May 05, 1999 at 23:16:48:

In Reply to: Re: HE FOUND IT!!!! posted by RBest on May 05, 1999 at 23:14:24:

OJ, found it! (I know, bad joke)
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Re: HE FOUND IT!!!!

Msg. 109352  Posted by RBest on May 05, 1999 at 23:14:24:

In Reply to: HE FOUND IT!!!! posted by Brad Troyer on May 05, 1999 at 23:05:36:

Damn Brad--- I thought somebody found my old Swiss Army knife I lost when I was 13 ! ( Reward!) RB:>)
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Re: Benjamin 392 VS. BSA SS

Msg. 109351  Posted by Rusty on May 05, 1999 at 23:13:35:

In Reply to: Benjamin 392 VS. BSA SS posted by Rusty on May 05, 1999 at 21:17:56:

That could be. Both guns have had about 500 rounds put thru them. My main complaint is the fact that BSA sells this gun as a Magnum gun saying velocities are in the 800 FPS range. The gun DOES NOT DELIVER! Crossman sells the 392 and states velocity up to 685 FPS. Agreed that the term up tp gives a lot of room for error, I feel that the BSA is a long, long way from truthful. For me the only saving grace for the BSA is the fact that it belongs to my 10 year old and he can cock and fire it quite well.
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Re: typically Jim M. is slow responding. I suspect after rechoking ...

Msg. 109350  Posted by RBest on May 05, 1999 at 23:11:49:

In Reply to: typically Jim M. is slow responding. I suspect after rechoking ... posted by vZc on May 05, 1999 at 22:45:57:

vZc: not likely and not necessary. Pulling another button through will only louse things up. Nothing happens that damages the rifling during the choke process. Button rifling forms as it goes, and would wipe out the previously existing rifling. The fit is too tight to re insert it perfectly, as there is usually a tiny amount of barrel shrinkage that occurs after the back end of the button goes by. A grossly overstated example would be like shoving a marble that was too large through a rubber hose. Russ
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Mac1 had best price I've seen - $37 US$/100 (nt)

Msg. 109349  Posted by dj on May 05, 1999 at 23:06:19:

In Reply to: Co2 capsule's universal for all Co2 guns? posted by Jeff on May 04, 1999 at 23:10:45:



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HE FOUND IT!!!!

Msg. 109348  Posted by Brad Troyer on May 05, 1999 at 23:05:36:


For those of you who attended the Cajun Spring Nationals this year and got
your knees dirty looking for the buttpad screw that Steve Cox had dropped
on the ground, I am happy to report that he found it. The screw manage to
fall into a pocket of his coat. The zipper was only open about one inch or
so but the screw threaded the needle and made it in there!

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Re: 7.9 gr CP and RWS flatheads shoot in same vertical plane ...

Msg. 109347  Posted by Chadd Thompson on May 05, 1999 at 22:56:16:

In Reply to: 7.9 gr CP and RWS flatheads shoot in same vertical plane ... posted by vZc on May 05, 1999 at 22:09:23:

How much wieght did you add and how did you add it?

Thanks
Chadd
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Harry, Shirley, amp; Billy Dawg

Msg. 109346  Posted by chasm on May 05, 1999 at 22:51:13:

One of the finest experiences of my initial air gun show venture was meeting Harry, Shirley,& Billy Dawg. This most interesting family had a table at the show near MAC-1's and had some customized Crosmans that I didn't appreciate at the time. Only later at La Quinta did I get to really meet them. What nice and interesting people. I realize that the air gun community has it's hierarchy, which bothers me not, and I don't know where everyone fits. I think that the vector which binds is an interest in airguns. Would that more folks in the world could find such bonds. BTW H,S, & BD are not on the.null.

chasm
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Re: Questions re: Walther LP-53 Air Pistol

Msg. 109345  Posted by Don R. on May 05, 1999 at 22:49:16:

In Reply to: Questions re: Walther LP-53 Air Pistol posted by Scott Carter on May 05, 1999 at 20:12:25:

Suggest you first figure out what kind of airgun(s) you would spend serious $ on - if you want older collector stuff, you might get the info first, to establish some goodies to search for (e.g., books by WHB Smith, Walter, Hiller, Wesley). If you're a shooter, pass the LP53 and find an LP2 or LP3 - real nice to shoot, single stroke pneumatics w/ great triggers.
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typically Jim M. is slow responding. I suspect after rechoking ...

Msg. 109344  Posted by vZc on May 05, 1999 at 22:45:57:

In Reply to: Re: '' We can rechoke your barrel-no matter how short! POR '' posted by Jim on May 05, 1999 at 22:33:07:

... pull another rifling button thru the barrel following existing patterns & re-defining rechoke area; but I 'm rationalizing which ain't necessarily correct.
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Re: Wondering about a Beeman R9

Msg. 109343  Posted by MikeD on May 05, 1999 at 22:45:31:

In Reply to: Wondering about a Beeman R9 posted by Kady Russell on May 05, 1999 at 14:12:35:


IMHO you could handle the R9 just fine.

But you might look at the Beeman R6. Nicely situated between the R7 and R9 in size and power; skinnier and easier to cock than the 9, a lot more punch than the 7. It will go over 800 fps with light pellets in .177 which will do most airgun jobs just fine.
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The right rifle for the right job....

Msg. 109342  Posted by Tom Jue/ca/usa on May 05, 1999 at 22:40:20:

In Reply to: Which is better, RX-1 or or TX-200 posted by Butch on May 05, 1999 at 19:27:27:

Butch:

The rifle that will take your "prey most accurately" is the TX-200. It has legendary accuracy. I was shooting a golf ball at 40 yards with my TX-200 Mark V from Paul Watts and could easily hit it 5 out of 5 times. It's spitting out 7.9 grain Crosman Premiers at 950 fps, which is high. I believe they are actually set at 920+ fps. The cocking effort feels like it is under 20 lbs. The report is quiet. The accuracy is phenomenal, even in the hands of a novice.

IMO, I would not buy a TX-200 in a caliber larger than .177. It performs best with .177.

If you prefer a .20 or .22, then the RX-1 comes into play. It has the power to deliver a 14.3 grain Crosman Premier at around 820 fps. I always recommend buying the rifle detuned, dropping the pressure from 24 BAR down to 21 BAR.

You will probably still get over 800 fps from .22 cal Crosman Premiers. This is amazing as most .22 cal spring air rifles have to be tuned to reach 800 fps. Your rifle will also be less "hold sensitive" which means it will be easier to shoot accurately. The recoil will be softer on your scope.

Happy shooting,
Tom Jue/ca/usa

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Go direct to the horses mouth.............

Msg. 109341  Posted by Ron B on May 05, 1999 at 22:38:56:

In Reply to: Re: '' We can rechoke your barrel-no matter how short! POR '' posted by Jim on May 05, 1999 at 22:33:07:

Of course, I'm not sure some know which end of the horse to talk to.

Ron
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Re: Questions re: Walther LP-53 Air Pistol

Msg. 109340  Posted by MikeD on May 05, 1999 at 22:38:03:

In Reply to: Questions re: Walther LP-53 Air Pistol posted by Scott Carter on May 05, 1999 at 20:12:25:


The LP 53 is a beautifully made classic. It is a spring piston gun with the spring/piston mechanism arranged vertically in the grip, nicely finished, good trigger, very accurate but hard to shoot well since it recoils in such an odd direction.

Greg is exactly right about the price--too high unless it is a cased, museum-quality example with some accessories. Excellent shooters typically go in the $200 neighborhood.
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Re: The answer may be the R6

Msg. 109339  Posted by RBest on May 05, 1999 at 22:34:56:

In Reply to: The answer may be the R6 posted by MikeD on May 05, 1999 at 22:31:36:

Mike: the R-6 is a great little gun. Just tuned one for Kevin Gilbride that boasts 795 fps with 7.9 gr Premiers. Smooth and spunky! Only thing is, the stock R-6 cocking effort is WAY more than one would think. It's a stiff little bugger! Russ
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Re: '' We can rechoke your barrel-no matter how short! POR ''

Msg. 109338  Posted by Jim on May 05, 1999 at 22:33:07:

In Reply to: '' We can rechoke your barrel-no matter how short! POR '' posted by vZc on May 05, 1999 at 22:29:06:

I bet if you would ask Jim Maccari he would be glad to explain it to you. How would anyone else know?

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The answer may be the R6

Msg. 109337  Posted by MikeD on May 05, 1999 at 22:31:36:

In Reply to: Can Anyone "Beef Up " A Beeman R7 or Daisy 853(C) posted by Steve B. on May 05, 1999 at 18:37:14:


Russ is right, the R7 just doesn't have the internal wherewithal to pump up too much.

The Beeman R6 (Wiehrauch HW 99) is based on the old HW 50. It has the same receiver diameter as the R7, the same slender stock lines with only a little more weight, and retains the two-piece cocking link which eliminates the long slot under the forearm and the ugly screws in its sides. It is capable of over 800 fps with light pellets.

The R6 is an interesting "halfway house" combining most of the R7's lithe handling with some of the R9's power, and may be just the ticket you are looking for.
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'' We can rechoke your barrel-no matter how short! POR ''

Msg. 109336  Posted by vZc on May 05, 1999 at 22:29:06:


What happens to rifling after rechoke of barrrel ?

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Amen......nt

Msg. 109335  Posted by Ron B on May 05, 1999 at 22:28:16:

In Reply to: the Answer is which size range of .22 caliber guage pins to order ... posted by vZc on May 05, 1999 at 22:18:47:


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Re: Can a R1 be used for FT

Msg. 109334  Posted by LOU V.K. on May 05, 1999 at 22:28:14:

In Reply to: Can a R1 be used for FT posted by JW on May 05, 1999 at 16:13:27:


A few years back,Walt Roller took the piston gun class in the World Championship shooting just an old R 1,in .177,if memory serves.
If your rifle groups well,and,is consistant,why switch barrels?
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Ship by US Postal Service...

Msg. 109333  Posted by DAS on May 05, 1999 at 22:26:29:

In Reply to: Shipping airgun to Canada, How? posted by johns on May 05, 1999 at 21:29:53:

Canadian customs will examine the goods and bill the receiver of any customs charges. The Gamo compact is well below the 500 fps limit imposed in Canada, so you're 100% legal.

Dave

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Re: Where can you get a TX .22ccal?

Msg. 109332  Posted by H. Todd on May 05, 1999 at 22:26:18:

In Reply to: Re: Where can you get a TX .22ccal? posted by RBest on May 05, 1999 at 17:58:13:

I have one that I might sell.

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Airgun Letter May '99 p.4 : '' RWS now the exclusive importer of Careers '' (nt).

Msg. 109331  Posted by vZc on May 05, 1999 at 22:22:11:

In Reply to: Re: " 715 cartridges " Brocock system posted by RBest on May 05, 1999 at 22:15:23:

.
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Re: In English - what oil is recommended for a 97c 'in the ports'

Msg. 109330  Posted by RBest on May 05, 1999 at 22:21:11:

In Reply to: In English - what oil is recommended for a 97c 'in the ports' posted by Ron B on May 05, 1999 at 22:17:34:

Probably Beemans Chamber oil-- but I would avoid it if the piston seal is synthetic. OK- somebody translate that pls. RB
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Re: Unhampered airgunning

Msg. 109329  Posted by chasm on May 05, 1999 at 22:19:43:

In Reply to: Unhampered airgunning posted by LOU V.K. on May 05, 1999 at 08:48:00:

Lou,

Do you think a new R-7 gift wrapped with a pink ribbon will work?

chasm

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the Answer is which size range of .22 caliber guage pins to order ...

Msg. 109328  Posted by vZc on May 05, 1999 at 22:18:47:

In Reply to: Answer.......... posted by Ron B on May 05, 1999 at 21:18:16:

... cost efficient purchase of a set of 25 pins which will cover the Remington #9822 and air rifle .22 caliber bores (Career).

Firearm bullets w/groove pad in an air rifle(PCP) has been a consideration.
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Yes, break barrel. Tons of help, thanks (nt)

Msg. 109327  Posted by ToddN on May 05, 1999 at 22:18:13:

In Reply to: Re: Barrel angle posted by Russ Best on May 05, 1999 at 22:10:40:


d
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Re: Brocock system- thanks for the term....................

Msg. 109326  Posted by RBest on May 05, 1999 at 22:18:12:

In Reply to: Brocock system- thanks for the term.................... posted by Ron B on May 05, 1999 at 21:50:12:

Ron: er uh flat blade? I can't remember. Russ
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In English - what oil is recommended for a 97c 'in the ports'

Msg. 109324  Posted by Ron B on May 05, 1999 at 22:17:34:

In Reply to: .177-aceito encomendas 97c. inc portes n.t. posted by paulo gp on May 05, 1999 at 18:26:28:

I don't know much Spanish but, I can transulate and may be we will get an answer.

Ron
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Re: " 715 cartridges " Brocock system

Msg. 109323  Posted by RBest on May 05, 1999 at 22:15:23:

In Reply to: Re: " 715 cartridges " Brocock system posted by trevor on May 05, 1999 at 22:01:33:

Trevor: it could well be. RWS has been shopping in Korea lately. Russ
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Hey, I only been at 3 mos so far

Msg. 109322  Posted by PAL (rookie) on May 05, 1999 at 22:14:05:

In Reply to: Only Five! nt posted by chasm on May 05, 1999 at 22:10:01:

nt
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Re: Barrel angle

Msg. 109320  Posted by Russ Best on May 05, 1999 at 22:10:40:

In Reply to: Barrel angle posted by ToddN on May 05, 1999 at 21:53:12:

Todd: I'm assuming you mean break barrel guns, right? They are made that way ( negative angle) because in the not too distant past, large diopter sights were used by shooting clubs in europe ( Germany especially). In order to remain relatively parallel with the bore axis, the barrels were made to aim downwards somewhat. It was either that or make a tall ($$) aperture front sight. They chose 'droop'. It's far less desirable today when most shooters are using scopes for more than just field shooting. Also; putting droop into a barrel allows for a more "heads up" position on the stock with mechanical sights. I guess it has more to do with a once popular shooting style than anything else. Hope this helps-- Russ
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Only Five! nt

Msg. 109319  Posted by chasm on May 05, 1999 at 22:10:01:

In Reply to: I scored a Crosman Mark I and a 137 posted by PAL on May 05, 1999 at 21:47:56:



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7.9 gr CP and RWS flatheads shoot in same vertical plane ...

Msg. 109318  Posted by vZc on May 05, 1999 at 22:09:23:

In Reply to: Pellets: how much difference in impact points?? posted by Chadd Thompson on May 05, 1999 at 21:05:57:

Superpoints used to deviate in significantly in horizontal plane before muzzle weight installation on RWS 48 -.177.

Tim C. @ RWS NJ mentioned something about crown & tips.

This is worth investigation.

I will post more latter.
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Re: Canadian 2289 the easiest gun to make " illegal "

Msg. 109317  Posted by Jeff on May 05, 1999 at 22:02:33:

In Reply to: Re: Canadian 2289 the easiest gun to make " illegal " posted by Benoit Landry on May 05, 1999 at 20:16:11:

What kind of crosman guns can this be performed on and how??
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Re: " 715 cartridges " Brocock system

Msg. 109316  Posted by trevor on May 05, 1999 at 22:01:33:

In Reply to: Re: " 715 cartridges " Brocock system posted by RBest on May 05, 1999 at 21:32:16:

This looks like a Korean ACE Air cartridge rifle Russ.
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Barrel angle

Msg. 109315  Posted by ToddN on May 05, 1999 at 21:53:12:

How does acute barrel angle occure and what is the
condition, exactly?

Thanks,
Todd
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Brocock system- thanks for the term....................

Msg. 109314  Posted by Ron B on May 05, 1999 at 21:50:12:

In Reply to: Re: " 715 cartridges " Brocock system posted by RBest on May 05, 1999 at 21:32:16:

I'll pull a trivial matter out, answer if you know.

What is the technical name for the slotted screwdriver?

Fun Answer-----

Ron
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I scored a Crosman Mark I and a 137

Msg. 109313  Posted by PAL on May 05, 1999 at 21:47:56:

My parents came through on their yearly migration north. My Dad gave me his old Crosman 137 and Crosman Mark I pistols. Both have the original manuals and the Mark I is in the original box. Both are in excellent shape, but neither hold air.
There is a "Authorized Service Stations" pamphlet in the box dated Nov 11 1964.

I am excited about the Mark 1 after talking with Tim McMurray in Little Rock last weekend. I don't know sh*t about 137s, but it is possibly the first gun I ever shot. So I'll be getting both of these guys fixed and shooting them.

And in exchange I just have to get him the seals for his other Mark I so he can fix it himself.

3 months ago and for the thirty years before that I had 1 airgun. Now I have 5. I think I'm addicted.

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Re: Windage and Pellet Drift

Msg. 109312  Posted by Jim Baumann on May 05, 1999 at 21:46:04:

In Reply to: Re: Windage and Pellet Drift posted by Wolfesbane on May 05, 1999 at 19:18:05:


"Maybe you should try reading a ballistics book." I have read several; but I take everything that I read with a grain of salt. That does not mean that it is incorrect; only that the facts usually don't equal the math.

As for books, on ballistics, I am quite fond of Hatchers Notebook. I like the Rinker book too.

Again on the subject of books; I do remember reading about how it was impossible for bumble
bees to fly. Sometimes, when science gets the math wrong; we have to change the math, and not try to change the Bumble Bee, or the real world.

Unlike you, I don't know everything, and I don't expect everyone to believe that I know everything.


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Say WHAT ??????

Msg. 109311  Posted by RBest on May 05, 1999 at 21:40:09:

In Reply to: Re: Great Saturday Practice with the A-Team posted by Bill B. on May 05, 1999 at 07:39:08:

This I HAVE to see ! RB
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Re: Maccari Tune-up

Msg. 109310  Posted by johns on May 05, 1999 at 21:36:07:

In Reply to: Maccari Tune-up posted by BW37 on May 04, 1999 at 10:23:33:

My JM tuned R9 is my favorite
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Re: " 715 cartridges " Brocock system

Msg. 109309  Posted by RBest on May 05, 1999 at 21:32:16:

In Reply to: " 715 cartridges " posted by Ron B on May 05, 1999 at 21:05:42:

Ron: you're right. I shoulda spotted that too. Looks like the Brocock system. Russ
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Ray, its Luis not Lois. Are you thinking about babes?

Msg. 109308  Posted by Luis Leon on May 05, 1999 at 21:31:54:

In Reply to: Re: Great Saturday Practice with the A-Team posted by A-TEAM-RAY on May 05, 1999 at 00:17:18:

Ray,
On saturday I'm helping my wife plant about 16 hemlock trees along the front of our property... I will be digging all day long... But am hoping to sneak out behind the barn and do some shooting... Once I get my hw77k set up, I would love to come back out to your dad's place and do some shooting...

Luis
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Shipping airgun to Canada, How?

Msg. 109307  Posted by johns on May 05, 1999 at 21:29:53:

I would like to ship to ship a Gamo Compact to canada.UPS tells me I can't do, but they also tell me I as an individual can't ship or receive an airgun even though they have deliverd many to my house and I have also shipped a few.Specifically, what are the laws for shipping int Canada, Can i do it?
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Re: Most times it does me too, Russ, N/T

Msg. 109306  Posted by Jim Baumann on May 05, 1999 at 21:29:51:

In Reply to: Re: Windage and Pellet Drift posted by RBest on May 05, 1999 at 21:10:16:



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Re: Benjamin 392 VS. BSA SS

Msg. 109305  Posted by RBest on May 05, 1999 at 21:28:24:

In Reply to: Benjamin 392 VS. BSA SS posted by Rusty on May 05, 1999 at 21:17:56:

Rusty: looks like the first 4 shots in the BSA show a small amount of dieseling. Is this gun broken in yet? As with many manufacturers, they advertise velocities with very light pellets. Velocity sells guns( unfortunately new shooters aren't aware of the ground rules). Once the Beesa is broken in, it's consistency will be much tighter. Generally, when I measure velocity strings, it's after I've been shooting for a bit, and the guns have settled down ( at least 20 shots). Even a gun that has sat in storage for a couple weeks will at least mildly diesel the first few shots ( we're talking springers here). Regards, Russ
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Answer..........

Msg. 109304  Posted by Ron B on May 05, 1999 at 21:18:16:

In Reply to: Ask and you shall receive; procastination on .22 cal purchase, then gauge pins for analysis... posted by vZc on May 05, 1999 at 20:43:37:

V,

Now that you have researched the question, would you inform us of the importance of the answer?

Ron
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Benjamin 392 VS. BSA SS

Msg. 109303  Posted by Rusty on May 05, 1999 at 21:17:56:

There has been a few lines about this question so here are my results from my Monday at the range. With Chrony in hand I compaired the two and here are the results for 2 ten shot strings.

SS B/S
1. 675 633
2. 684 665*
3. 684 645
4. 689 643
5. 661 647
6. 655 644
7. 669 651
8. 659 646
9 666 637
10. 659 650
* #2 shot with the Benjamin was over pumped by me to 10 strokes by accident.
As you can see the actual speeds recorded are very close. Which as far as I'm concerned is misleading advertising on the part of BSA.
I was also very impressed by the shot to shot consistency of the Benjamin. All these shots were taken with Benjamin/Sheridan Diablo pellets which weighed 14.3 gr.

Rusty <
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Re: Pellets: how much difference in impact points??

Msg. 109302  Posted by RBest on May 05, 1999 at 21:14:38:

In Reply to: Pellets: how much difference in impact points?? posted by Chadd Thompson on May 05, 1999 at 21:05:57:

Chadd: you probably guessed it. More importantly though is groupings. Shoot the pellet that gives the tightest groups. You can always adjust POI. Regards, Russ
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Re: Windage and Pellet Drift

Msg. 109301  Posted by RBest on May 05, 1999 at 21:10:16:

In Reply to: Re: Windage and Pellet Drift posted by Jim Baumann on May 05, 1999 at 13:50:09:

Jim: I just experienced some of the nasty things wind can do this weekend. While shooting at my newly set up 40 yard range in the backyard on a breezy day ( last weekend)I had a hell of a time doping the wind. The reason may be because I set the range up on top of the hill behind the house, and there are at least a hundred trees there, surrounding my shooting area ( and in the shooting area too). The only thing I could figure was that the wind whipping around the tree trunks were creating vortices that the pellets had to pass through. Drove me bananas ! Russ
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Pellets: how much difference in impact points??

Msg. 109300  Posted by Chadd Thompson on May 05, 1999 at 21:05:57:

I have a question. I have tried about 4 different pellets in my RWS 48 .22 now and out of the four I have tried the heavy beeman kodiaks seem to be the worst of the bunch. They impact about 4" lower and 4" to the right of premiers at 30yds. The 4" low I understand but the 4" right??? Whats that all about? The only thing I can think of is that it takes longer to get out of the barrel and that is where the gun is going during recoil?? Make sense or not?

Thanks
Chadd
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" 715 cartridges "

Msg. 109299  Posted by Ron B on May 05, 1999 at 21:05:42:

In Reply to: RWS CA715: .22 cal 50+ ft-lb bolt action rifle @ $474 from FSI (url) posted by vZc on May 05, 1999 at 16:04:16:

I hate to be the one to bust you bubbles but, after reading the poop sheet, I believe each 'cartridge' is a seperate air chamber / valve /pellet holder and are charged at the 'bench'.

Each 'cartridge' is then suitable for it's own one shot purpose. I have seen examples of this in a magazine, though I can't remember which one.

So, the shot velocity would be determined at fill and maximum for the gun by chamber size. Quick follow up shots would be possible. Consistancy might be assurable.

Boy, the nightmare when the seals started leaking!

Ron
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Ditto! (nt)

Msg. 109298  Posted by Todd on May 05, 1999 at 21:03:46:

In Reply to: Re: Russ...a little trivia. posted by RBest on May 05, 1999 at 20:59:51:


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Re: Ask and you shall receive; procastination on .22 cal purchase, then gauge pins for analysis...

Msg. 109297  Posted by TM on May 05, 1999 at 21:03:32:

In Reply to: Ask and you shall receive; procastination on .22 cal purchase, then gauge pins for analysis... posted by vZc on May 05, 1999 at 20:43:37:

Who came up with those specs for CIP? They have the bore dimensions in inches with the tolerance in metric. Talk about wanting to PO the machinist.
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Re: Russ...a little trivia.

Msg. 109295  Posted by RBest on May 05, 1999 at 20:59:51:

In Reply to: Russ...a little trivia. posted by ToddN on May 05, 1999 at 20:48:22:

Todd: saw your reply farther down below. I love those Information Please Almanacs! ( Good "John" material). Russ
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Re: crosman 1100 .380 trap shotgun

Msg. 109294  Posted by JW on May 05, 1999 at 20:59:05:

In Reply to: crosman 1100 .380 trap shotgun posted by glm on May 05, 1999 at 16:40:42:


Are you looking to sell? If so reply to this and i'll check back.


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Re: Airgun Letter May '99 p.5 chronograph statistics ...

Msg. 109293  Posted by vZc on May 05, 1999 at 20:58:47:

In Reply to: Re: Airgun Letter May '99 p.5 chronograph statistics ... posted by RBest on May 05, 1999 at 20:39:54:

... 5.5 fps per 0.1 grains velocity changes requires accurate instruments & techniques.

Assuming constant mass density: actual weight chages imply physical size differences.
I have not tried to measure physical dimensions yet (just wait); Rick Johnson @ Beeman could post the methodolgy.

Don't recollect a chronograph model specified for the test.

Tom does not appear to be too numerically concerned about actual weight or bore angle accuracy; hitherto don't care or theoretical characterizations.
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MAX MT

Msg. 109291  Posted by GF on May 05, 1999 at 20:49:40:

In Reply to: TX and 6-18 x 50 Bushnell-- What rings? posted by Chip Gibbs on May 04, 1999 at 21:12:57:

I have a TX200 Mk 4 with 5-15X50 B&L mounted on MAX MT mounts. These mounts came with the rifle (JM). They very solidly build and very stable. I had to shim to get the line of fire up a little. But these mounts took the shimming well. The rear one has a verticle pin for the hole in the cylinder of the TX200. This scope has a 4 inch sunshade to contend with. These mounts are not expensive and they do the job well.

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Russ...a little trivia.

Msg. 109290  Posted by ToddN on May 05, 1999 at 20:48:22:

Going back a couple days to the 'best .22 gun for
hunting' thread... the gentleman with the Career COULD
have eaten that washing machine if he had the teeth
and digestive tract of "Mr Eat-Everything"
Michel Lotito of France, whose diet since 1966 has
included 10 bicycles, a supermarket cart, seven tv sets,
six chandiliers, a computer and one low-calorie Cessna airplane.
(Hey, even your rare Blue Hugo was edible!) ;)

Todd
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Re: .22 cal air rifle vs rimfire bore land to land dimensions ?

Msg. 109288  Posted by RBest on May 05, 1999 at 20:43:57:

In Reply to: Re: .22 cal air rifle vs rimfire bore land to land dimensions ? posted by Jerry Rhodes on May 05, 1999 at 20:22:25:

Rimfires generally have deeper grooves than airgun barrels. Not sure of bore dia. on Marlin Microgroove� barrels though. Airguns have shallow grooves to avoid excessive skirt deformation. Regards, Russ
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Ask and you shall receive; procastination on .22 cal purchase, then gauge pins for analysis...

Msg. 109287  Posted by vZc on May 05, 1999 at 20:43:37:

In Reply to: Re: .22 cal air rifle vs rimfire bore land to land dimensions ? posted by Jerry Rhodes on May 05, 1999 at 20:22:25:

"
In 22 lr.
There is a general specification for CIP sporting barrels.
There is a general specification for SAAMI sporting barrels.
There are more unique specifications for individual products.
Then, there is the number of grooves.

CIP 0.2215" Groove 0.217" land with a tolerance of + 0.04mm on both.
SAAMI sporting is 0.222" Groove 0.217" land and no tolerance given.

We have a general purpose 22 lr. This is for general sporting purposes.
Then there are 13 different land/groove/twist combinations for 10/22.
There are 5 other match combinations. These are based more on the type of
ammunition.

22 Short has its own.
There is also a group for ultra short barrel pistol.

Individual customers have their own specifications. This can affect
tolerances too.

At the current time, I have over 71 different 22 lr barrel specification
types.


Airgun.

In airgun, there is not as big of a selection.

4.5 caliber, land, 4.44mm Groove 4.60mm Twist 450mm # of Grooves 12
Toleraance is +0.04mm Max.

5.5mm is the same on everything but land and groove. 5.44mm land and
5.60mm groove.

Then there are the specific items made for individual companies. This can
be specific down to a particular model.
"

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Re: Airgun Letter May '99 p.5 chronograph statistics ...

Msg. 109286  Posted by RBest on May 05, 1999 at 20:39:54:

In Reply to: Airgun Letter May '99 p.5 chronograph statistics ... posted by The Sole pellet weight harbinger. on May 05, 1999 at 20:35:33:

VZC: funny thing is- no matter what Premiers I use in my TX- whether from die#1 or Die#2, my velocity is always within 4 to 6 fps( 7.9 gr). The gun itself can make up for low level deficiencies in pellet weights? Russ
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Amen ! and waiting on Mr Bulk after market engineeering. (nt).

Msg. 109285  Posted by vZc on May 05, 1999 at 20:38:56:

In Reply to: Think about it--- posted by RBest on May 05, 1999 at 20:28:23:

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Re: Questions re: Walther LP-53 Air Pistol

Msg. 109284  Posted by Greg Fischer on May 05, 1999 at 20:38:09:

In Reply to: Questions re: Walther LP-53 Air Pistol posted by Scott Carter on May 05, 1999 at 20:12:25:

Classic gun! Very James Bond. It's a springer break-barrel with the vertically oriented spring in the handle. A very handsome pistol, but the recoil makes it a challenge to shoot well. For $350 it should be very minty and in the fancy presentation velvet-lined case, with wooden cocking knob, sight inserts, and brass cleaning rod (not that you'd ever defile it by shoving a rod down it's barrel).
Good Luck with your purchase.
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Airgun Letter May '99 p.5 chronograph statistics ...

Msg. 109283  Posted by The Sole pellet weight harbinger. on May 05, 1999 at 20:35:33:

No reference stated concerning actual pellet weights.

Constant weight sorted pellets would minimize a major variable resulting more accurate performance analysis.

7.9 -/+ 0.1 grains => 10.64 fps differential (846.37 - 835.72).

vZc

Also the only one who will comment on the AirGunLetter on the AGL Forum.
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Johnny O. and the tune on your RWS 48......

Msg. 109282  Posted by Jeff on May 05, 1999 at 20:35:20:

Johnny I just checked the vol. of my 48/.20 it is 775 fps. Tell me about your tune . How does it work/ perform. Do you like it? What is its vol? Is it smoother? Was there a vol. increase? Who did the work? Do you recommend using this gunsmith? What cal. is your gun? What pellets do you use? Johnny O. I have to ask these questions to get it in my mind if I want a tune or not. Thanks Johnny O.
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Re: Does the MKV come in 20 cal?(nt)

Msg. 109281  Posted by RBest on May 05, 1999 at 20:31:49:

In Reply to: Does the MKV come in 20 cal?(nt) posted by MartinL on May 05, 1999 at 12:48:44:

Martin: .20 isn't a listed factory caliber, but there are a few .20 TX's floating around that Jim M. may have converted. ( extra $$$). Regards, Russ
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Think about it---

Msg. 109280  Posted by RBest on May 05, 1999 at 20:28:23:

In Reply to: RWS CA715: .22 cal 50+ ft-lb bolt action rifle @ $474 from FSI (url) posted by vZc on May 05, 1999 at 16:04:16:

It's using 12 gram cartridges ( like a Proton?)and they give you 10 of these rechargeable puppies. Sounds like it's not too efficient with air. How many shots from one cartridge? Sounds like a job for Mr.Bulk� ! RB
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Re: Crosman 2200

Msg. 109279  Posted by Benoit Landry on May 05, 1999 at 20:24:49:

In Reply to: Crosman 2200 posted by Donald on May 05, 1999 at 10:49:30:

I have a synthetic stocked 2200. Shoots OK, the best I can do is about 3/8" to 1/2" c-t-c at 12 meters, but my average is a bit over that. One thing I dislike about it is that the barrel is a bit loose, and I suspect this is a cause of the inaccuracy. For the money it isn't too bad though. Another thing, I scratched the geeky lines off the receiver with my fingernail and it looks much better now, so don't worry about those..

HTH Benoit
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Re: .22 cal air rifle (Career) vs .22 rimfire (Remington 541 T HB #9822 dimensions) ?

Msg. 109278  Posted by TM on May 05, 1999 at 20:22:58:

In Reply to: Re: .22 cal air rifle (Career) vs .22 rimfire (Remington 541 T HB #9822 dimensions) ? posted by vZc on May 05, 1999 at 20:15:02:

Are you just curious or are you thinking of launching bullets through your career?
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Re: .22 cal air rifle vs rimfire bore land to land dimensions ?

Msg. 109277  Posted by Jerry Rhodes on May 05, 1999 at 20:22:25:

In Reply to: .22 cal air rifle vs rimfire bore land to land dimensions ? posted by vZc on May 05, 1999 at 15:04:27:

V,

You have all of the "rulers". Why don't you "slug" some. Measure them. Post and we will all know.

Jerry
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Re: Wondering about a Beeman R9

Msg. 109276  Posted by Jerry Rhodes on May 05, 1999 at 20:19:33:

In Reply to: Wondering about a Beeman R9 posted by Kady Russell on May 05, 1999 at 14:12:35:

Kady,

My 11 yr old grandson is 5' 4" and weighs 105. I am pretty sure that his feet are bigger than yours, but he cocks my stock R9 easily with a two handed "butt in the belly" hold. It is a little long for him. If you do get a R9 you might get a gunsmith friend to shorten the stock to the pull that you like. The right pull makes a world of difference.

Jerry


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Welcome to the Forum Sam. nt

Msg. 109275  Posted by RBest on May 05, 1999 at 20:19:09:

In Reply to: Russ, Read this posted by Sam Adams on May 05, 1999 at 05:41:58:

nt
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Re: Which is better, RX-1 or or TX-200

Msg. 109274  Posted by ToddN on May 05, 1999 at 20:18:47:

In Reply to: Re: Which is better, RX-1 or or TX-200 posted by Bruce on May 05, 1999 at 19:28:57:

An 18th century .50 calibre run-out-of-pressure
pre-charge would be more accurate than Bill's
testimony! (not to undermine your point, though)
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Re: Canadian 2289 the easiest gun to make " illegal "

Msg. 109273  Posted by Benoit Landry on May 05, 1999 at 20:16:11:

In Reply to: Canadian 2289 the easiest gun to make " illegal " posted by Fearon Steele on May 05, 1999 at 17:46:43:

I did the same mod to my .22 pistol, and I think it's still legal (crosman inflates its velocities...) altough at 14 pumps, it surely blows the 500 fps barrier!! Have you chrono'd the gun, in canadian and us configurations?? You could try mounting a 2260 barrel on it. I want to try it but can't find where to buy the barrel separately...
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Re: .22 cal air rifle (Career) vs .22 rimfire (Remington 541 T HB #9822 dimensions) ?

Msg. 109272  Posted by vZc on May 05, 1999 at 20:15:02:

In Reply to: Re: .22 cal air rifle vs firearm bore land to land dimensions ? posted by TM on May 05, 1999 at 20:09:21:

CA 715 would be good comparison
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Questions re: Walther LP-53 Air Pistol

Msg. 109271  Posted by Scott Carter on May 05, 1999 at 20:12:25:

Hello all-

I need help. A local gun shop said they are getting a
mint LP-53 from an estate sale, and will sell it to me
for about $350. Is that a good price? Is this a
spring, Co2, or single pump pnuematic? Anybody know of
a picture on the web? Any advice is welcome.

Regards,

Scott
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Re: Which is better, RX-1 or or TX-200

Msg. 109269  Posted by RBest on May 05, 1999 at 20:09:38:

In Reply to: Re: Which is better, RX-1 or or TX-200 posted by Bruce on May 05, 1999 at 19:28:57:

Bruce: that ain't sayin' much ! Okay- back to the question. I have an RX-1 and a TX. Both are fine airguns, but in an accuracy contest I'd pick the TX. The RX does have more power, and it'll certainly do the job, but the TX is far more civilized to work with. Both are weighty guns BTW. Regards, Russ
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Re: .22 cal air rifle vs firearm bore land to land dimensions ?

Msg. 109268  Posted by TM on May 05, 1999 at 20:09:21:

In Reply to: Re: .22 cal air rifle vs firearm bore land to land dimensions ? posted by peteR on May 05, 1999 at 13:15:33:

Is that rimfire .22 or rimfire .22 magnum?
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Re: How long can a pneumatic stay pumped?

Msg. 109267  Posted by Jerry Rhodes on May 05, 1999 at 20:07:07:

In Reply to: Re: How long can a pneumatic stay pumped? posted by Dale2 on May 05, 1999 at 19:34:14:

Dale,

Main reason is because Tim told me to do it.

By keeping a little pressure in the chamber it keeps the seal in close, intimate contact. The better they get to know each other the less they will leak. Will also keep moisture and dust from infiltrating.

I did this on my 101 for years. It seemed like the thing to do. I noticed that if left with no pressure for long periods of time it might take 5 or 6 shots to get it to shoot consistantly. I concluded that the seal was somehow warping or something.

Jerry

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Wisconsin Airgunners

Msg. 109265  Posted by WJS/wi/usa on May 05, 1999 at 19:47:53:

If the weather is good we are going to try to get out the Brisol this saturday around 10 or so in the morning.

Alex and Vlad, I need your e-mail addresses and other information again. I lost all of it.
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Re: How long can a pneumatic stay pumped?

Msg. 109264  Posted by Dale2 on May 05, 1999 at 19:34:14:

In Reply to: Re: How long can a pneumatic stay pumped? posted by Jerry Rhodes on May 05, 1999 at 12:03:38:

Why do you store your pumpers with a couple of pumps in them?
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Re: Which is better, RX-1 or or TX-200

Msg. 109263  Posted by Bruce on May 05, 1999 at 19:28:57:

In Reply to: Which is better, RX-1 or or TX-200 posted by Butch on May 05, 1999 at 19:27:27:

Take that RX-1 anytime. Packs a wallop and is more accurate than Bill Clinton's testimony.
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Which is better, RX-1 or or TX-200

Msg. 109262  Posted by Butch on May 05, 1999 at 19:27:27:

I can't decide. You boys speak highly of each one of these. I'm fixin to by a .22 cal. to hunt varmin. Tell me which is gonna take out my prey most accurately.
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Re: Windage and Pellet Drift

Msg. 109260  Posted by Wolfesbane on May 05, 1999 at 19:18:05:

In Reply to: Re: Windage and Pellet Drift posted by Jim Baumann on May 05, 1999 at 13:50:09:


Where to start?
2nd Para. Your complaint about book reading experts is not suprising. Maybe you should try reading a ballistics book.
3rd Para. After the second sentence, pure nonsense.
4th Para. Absolutly correct! You don't know, and you don't understand. Good of you to admit it. See 2nd Para response.
Paras. 5,6,7 contain some truths, but the fuzzy explanations make it hard to ferret out.
Wind deflection is a result of three main factors
Wind speed, wind direction, and projectile velocity. Higher velocity means less flight time(less time for the wind to act on the projectile) at a given range. Direction (no sideways component at 0, 100% at 90, dropping to 0 at 180 degrees. Wind speed should be obvious. A ten MPH breeze is only 15 FPS, but it has a definite effect on airgun pellets(light and slow).



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Re: While we're talking about the 2289...���

Msg. 109259  Posted by RBest on May 05, 1999 at 19:17:16:

In Reply to: Re: While we're talking about the 2289...��� posted by Don S. on May 05, 1999 at 10:58:47:

Don: I don't have the answer to that. While I have a few Crosman's, I'm not a big Crosman nut. Perhaps someone else has the answer. Regards, Russ
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Re: Can Anyone " Beef Up " A Beeman R7 or Daisy 853(C)

Msg. 109258  Posted by RBest on May 05, 1999 at 19:10:53:

In Reply to: Re: Can Anyone " Beef Up " A Beeman R7 or Daisy 853(C) posted by Steve B. on May 05, 1999 at 19:02:12:

Steve: you're right in that neither would probably have the necessary ft/lbs to trip the FT targets at longer ranges. A Mac-1 QB-77 might be just the ticket when equipped with extended bulk tube. The handy sized BSA Supersport might be good, but I don't know the shooters arm strength, although the Beesa isn't all that bad to cock. You may also want to look at the RWS 24. Regards, Russ
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Re: Can Anyone " Beef Up " A Beeman R7 or Daisy 853(C)

Msg. 109257  Posted by Steve B. on May 05, 1999 at 19:02:12:

In Reply to: Re: Can Anyone " Beef Up " A Beeman R7 or Daisy 853(C) posted by RBest on May 05, 1999 at 18:46:33:

Russ,

Thanks for the quick reply -- I should have been more specific. The main purpose of these guns would be field target for a younger shooter, but I didn't think either would cut it at their stock velocities. Key criteria are light weight, accurate, easy to cock (no PCP).

Any other thoughts would be welcome (but not a junior class FT shoot).

TIA -- Steve B.
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Re: Whistling Rabbits

Msg. 109256  Posted by DALE W MERRILL SR on May 05, 1999 at 19:01:02:

In Reply to: Whistling Rabbits posted by Marty Jones on May 05, 1999 at 13:21:06:

MARTY
I been doing the whistling trick for over 40 years. Was told how by an ol timer back then and it works most of the time ,and thats in new england,guess the rabbits are all the same.
PS ever had one die on ya and the shot missed? i hear tell its heart attack??
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Re: Can Anyone " Beef Up " A Beeman R7 or Daisy 853(C)

Msg. 109255  Posted by RBest on May 05, 1999 at 18:46:33:

In Reply to: Can Anyone " Beef Up " A Beeman R7 or Daisy 853(C) posted by Steve B. on May 05, 1999 at 18:37:14:

Steve: the reason you haven't seen it is because these are more 'Target Specific' airguns, and their internals don't lend themselves to being powered up. The R-7 uses a small spring, and larger springs just won't work in it. Also, the swept volume of the chamber is small and will not yield the 'blast' of air you want for 800 fps. Regards, Russ
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Re: You might be able to mount a scope on your Benj. 392 without interfering with the pumping action

Msg. 109254  Posted by TM on May 05, 1999 at 18:44:02:

In Reply to: You might be able to mount a scope on your Benj. 392 without interfering with the pumping action posted by The Airgun Letter on May 05, 1999 at 11:41:00:

I have a Millett red dot that I am going to mount on me Streak. The reason I am doing this is because it can be mounted way forward on the gun where it won't interfere with pumping.
Another good choice would be a shotgun ar handgun scope since they have extra long eye relief and can also be mounted way forward.
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Can Anyone " Beef Up " A Beeman R7 or Daisy 853(C)

Msg. 109253  Posted by Steve B. on May 05, 1999 at 18:37:14:

Hi all -- I don't think I've seen this question on these two air rifles yet...

The R7 at <700 fps and the Daisy at +/- 500 fps (with Walther barrel) appear to be good lightweight buys, but they're both a bit underpowered.

Can they be "beefed up" to 800 fps with a better spring (the R7), a Vortec (the Daisy is a single stroke pneumatic), or similar device without changing the other characteristics, i.e., accurate, easy to cock, single stroke, a fairly reasonable?

TIA -- Steve B.
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Re: C40 vs. Gamo R-77 Combat

Msg. 109252  Posted by TM on May 05, 1999 at 18:35:13:

In Reply to: C40 vs. Gamo R-77 Combat posted by Ross on May 04, 1999 at 23:49:06:

I have to agree with ol Phil. Umarex should have hid the magazine. It would have been easy to do. All they would have to do is make the whole cylinder swing out like the Gamo and leave it hollow in the front to hold the magazine.
I see that Raso Rod and Reel has it in black and silver in several lengths.
As far as the C40 goes. I have the black version and it is very well built. The R-77 is a nice pistol but it is hard to compare to the C40. The C40 is all metal so it weighs more than twice what the R-77 does. It is nice to be able to change magazines for fast reloads. On the down side, the magazines can get lost unlike the R-77.
If you like pistols that look and feel like real firearms, you'll like the C40 because it does a much better job at this than the R-77. Plus it's less expensive than the Umarex pistols (although they have the edge in realism).
Good Luck.
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Are there any clubs near Charlotte, NC?

Msg. 109251  Posted by Jim Hudson on May 05, 1999 at 18:26:35:

I would like to know if there are any clubs or
groups of airgunners near Charlotte.
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.177-aceito encomendas 97c. inc portes n.t.

Msg. 109250  Posted by paulo gp on May 05, 1999 at 18:26:28:

In Reply to: .22 cal. TX200 Mk3: a good choice? posted by Pedro Marcos on May 05, 1999 at 08:04:55:



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Re: How long can a pneumatic stay pumped?

Msg. 109248  Posted by TM on May 05, 1999 at 18:25:45:

In Reply to: How long can a pneumatic stay pumped? posted by Fearon Steele on May 05, 1999 at 03:57:22:

Just like everyone else has said, pump it up and go hunting. I've use this technique quite often. On a gun that has good seals, pressure leakage should be minimal to none.
The reason for not leaving springers cocked is because it is bad to keep a spring in its compressed state for an extended period of time since this will cause premature weakening of the spring.
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That IS good news Tim

Msg. 109247  Posted by RBest on May 05, 1999 at 18:23:29:

In Reply to: Undrooped HW's posted by Mac1 on May 05, 1999 at 18:20:52:

Thanks for the heads up. Russ
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Shoot farther away! :)

Msg. 109246  Posted by RBest on May 05, 1999 at 18:20:55:

In Reply to: Re: Now I know what everyone means....... posted by Johnny O. on May 05, 1999 at 15:38:33:

There are 2 williams peeps. One goes down lower than the other, and works beautifully. Jerry Rhodes uses them all the time. Regards, Russ
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Undrooped HW's

Msg. 109245  Posted by Mac1 on May 05, 1999 at 18:20:52:

I talked to Don at Beeman Before I left for Littlerock and he informed me that HW's will be produced now with 30 minutes of positive barrel angle(read anti drooped). What this means is that the guns will be able to use straight mounts from now on and the dreaded droop compensating mounts will not be required. Don had Hans in the shop recently and asked him to sight in a brand new HW. He got the picture and the fix was in. Sorta like the MKI LD we sell. We have machined droop into the dovetails for a decade. I guess you can teach an old german dog new tricks. I wonder if everyone else will get the message as well.
Later

Tim
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Re: Wondering about a Beeman R9

Msg. 109244  Posted by RBest on May 05, 1999 at 18:15:53:

In Reply to: Re: Wondering about a Beeman R9 posted by Jim C. on May 05, 1999 at 14:53:10:

Kady: Jim Maccari offers a 'sof tune' for the R-9 that features noticably reduced cocking effort, while actually providing an increase in power. Excellent airgun when tuned. Regards, Russ Best
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R-9 .20 untuned= 14 ft/lbs. TUNED= up to 17 ft/lbs.

Msg. 109243  Posted by RBest on May 05, 1999 at 18:11:19:

In Reply to: Can Anyone Help Me With A Tuned R9? posted by Tim on May 05, 1999 at 16:13:16:

Tim: a typical R-9 .20 UNTUNED gets about 660 fps with 14.3 gr Premiers. The tuned ones will be closer to 740/750-- in that area. Very nice gun after tuning. Some were a little harsh prior to tuning. I'm using a BSA 30mm Red Dot currently on my R-9. Regards, Russ
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Whole Lotta Lead

Msg. 109242  Posted by Mac1 on May 05, 1999 at 18:10:26:

I want to thank everyone who took advantage of the pellet sale this year. On May 15 the sale will end and my UPS driver can relax. He has come to hate this sale. For those with Backorders please don't E-mail us asking "when" because it is pointless. You will get them. This sale pretty much runs all my suppliers dry of lead every year. The orders have been placed and when they arrive you will get your pellets. For those of you that are waiting till the last minute you have ten more days. No sniveling please. If you want the killer deal on pellets get your oprders in asap and please use E-mail or fax at 310-327-0238. Thanks again for all the business. This was the most successful sale yet. You made RWS, Beeman, Eley, Crosman, and Marksman very happy. If you don't have the prices send an E-mail to mac1@null.null and I will send you the list.
Later

Tim

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German side down!

Msg. 109241  Posted by Rick Johnson on May 05, 1999 at 18:03:41:

In Reply to: Re: so what side do i want to mount posted by bob on May 05, 1999 at 08:57:21:

The German edge is the larger of the two. The British edge is smaller.

Rick
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Re: Macarri Tunes

Msg. 109240  Posted by RBest on May 05, 1999 at 18:00:24:

In Reply to: Macarri Tunes posted by Greywolf on May 05, 1999 at 14:52:44:

Greywolf: Jim specializes in spring guns, which the RX-1 is NOT. Highly possible he won't do it. Regards, Russ
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Re: Where can you get a TX .22ccal?

Msg. 109239  Posted by RBest on May 05, 1999 at 17:58:13:

In Reply to: Where can you get a TX .22ccal? posted by Jerry on May 05, 1999 at 17:54:53:

Jerry: the TX was never made by RWS, RWS only distributed them for a while. They are made by Air Arms of England, and sold by Jim Maccari and Paul Watts. Great airgun! See the aiegun resources section of this forums homepage. Russ Best
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Where can you get a TX .22ccal?

Msg. 109238  Posted by Jerry on May 05, 1999 at 17:54:53:

Where can I get some Information on the TX? I have seen a lot of talk about a TX. Who makes it and where can I see a picture of it? Is this the one RWS makes(TX200)? It must be a great gun. What is the fps? would it be a good hunter? THANKS, Jerry

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Canadian 2289 the easiest gun to make " illegal "

Msg. 109237  Posted by Fearon Steele on May 05, 1999 at 17:46:43:

Hey people! Just picked up a new Canadian version of the 2289. Took a few shots and it was o.k. but you can never have too much power. Ripped the barrel off and there beneath the valve that connects the barrel to the power plant was the difference between the U.S. and Canadian version. It's a 5mm disc with a 1.5mm hole in it designed to slow the transfer of air. Whole operation took 10 minutes and I have a better rifle. This rifle is really neat, the sights are a little cheesy though. Any thoughts for mounting a nice .20 caliber barrel and scope?
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Breech Seal Leak

Msg. 109236  Posted by Mac1 on May 05, 1999 at 17:41:47:

In Reply to: Re: Crosman 2250B Breech Seal Leak posted by Mark Lisowski on May 04, 1999 at 17:42:42:

As reported several weeks ago the breech has been changed from PVC to glass reinforced nylon. The PVC breech would react with oil and were tending to crack. The leakage at the breech has NOTHING to do with the valve of the gun. The only fix for eliminating breech leakage is to customize the gun. The factory warranty centers will only change your PVC breech. You won't have a breakage problem hopefully but it will still leak and cost you power.
Later

Tim

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Re: Rabbit Hunting Tips

Msg. 109235  Posted by Dave Monck on May 05, 1999 at 17:41:42:

In Reply to: Rabbit Hunting Tips posted by Leighton Hood From New Zealand on May 05, 1999 at 01:46:44:

I shoot rabbits with a 12 foot pound airgun out to 35 yards. I have a bad leg and cannot walk well so I just sit on the field in my car, near the burrow and after a while they just hop into range and with good hollow point pellets and a good scope, if they're within that distance a head shot sees they're dead.

You just need to be quiet, have patience and take your time for a clean killing shot. Sorry that all these articles in Airgunner and Airgun World imply that you need the latest cammo kit, hides and the hunting skills of a native tracker, but without all that stuff, the rabbits just as dead.

Regards,
Dave M.
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URL should read " targetts " not " tarqetts " oops

Msg. 109234  Posted by Jim C. on May 05, 1999 at 17:41:15:

In Reply to: Re: BSA Super 10 Sling posted by Jim C. on May 05, 1999 at 17:35:11:


try again

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Re: BSA Super 10 Sling

Msg. 109233  Posted by Jim C. on May 05, 1999 at 17:37:45:

In Reply to: BSA Super 10 Sling posted by RLW on May 05, 1999 at 17:14:49:

RLW, I also hasv an S-10 and was wondering the same. A shooting buddy sent me the URL for the Stalker website and I saw that they sell
leather covers for the buddy bottle with a front sling attachment. I only browsed the page, so
don't remember prices and such. I will try to post the URL. Jim C.

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Re: BSA Super 10 Sling

Msg. 109232  Posted by Jim C. on May 05, 1999 at 17:35:11:

In Reply to: BSA Super 10 Sling posted by RLW on May 05, 1999 at 17:14:49:

RLW, I also hasv an S-10 and was wondering the same. A shooting buddy sent me the URL for the Stalker website and I saw that they sell
leather covers for the buddy bottle with a front sling attachment. I only browsed the page, so
don't remember prices and such. I will try to post the URL. Jim C.

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Re: German translation

Msg. 109231  Posted by Dave Monck on May 05, 1999 at 17:34:32:

In Reply to: German translation posted by Robin on May 05, 1999 at 08:20:36:

Ich spreche kein Deutsch - but I know several people who do, as they are German. Shoot the info across if you can and I'll get it done for you for nothing.
Regards

Dave M.
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Crosman's New Breech

Msg. 109230  Posted by Mac1 on May 05, 1999 at 17:31:07:

In Reply to: Crosman 2250B Breech Seal Leak posted by Marty Jones on May 04, 1999 at 16:31:19:

The new breech on Crosman guns has proven to be a source of power zapping seepage. When the scope bases are fitted you can expect the problem to be more pronounced. We generally see about 540 out of the 2250 and when the bases are fitted the velocity will fall by about 20 fps. On the custom 2250's I do the breech seal and sleeve are replaced with a one piece seal that mates to a remachined barrel to entirely eliminate the leakage. If this mod is done as well as the barrel and bolt mods which improve accuracy substantially the gun can be a tack driver at around 565. I decided from now on the 2250 will only be available from Mac1 at $95 and include the barrel and bolt mods. The breech seal mod can be had for an additional $10. For those who would like to send guns in for the barrel mod, bolt probe, and custom breech seal the total charges including return transpo will be $40. If you want your gun to be considerably more accurate and a lot more powerful send it to Me. I can also do the dedicated bulk and steroid valve which can bring these little sleepers up to the 625fps mark. If you want the hottest 2250 on the block give it the Mac1 treatment.
Later

Tim

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Re: Now I know what everyone means.......

Msg. 109229  Posted by Sligh on May 05, 1999 at 17:27:32:

In Reply to: Now I know what everyone means....... posted by Johnny O. on May 05, 1999 at 11:56:55:

I've got the same set up on an R9 and am using williams peep,works fine on mine. Sligh
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Re: Wondering about a Beeman R9

Msg. 109228  Posted by Jim C. on May 05, 1999 at 17:27:17:

In Reply to: Re: Wondering about a Beeman R9 posted by Andrew Leung on May 05, 1999 at 17:20:17:

Now THAT is a gun I would recommend.
Unfortunately, my Dave Slade/Tweety bird Magnum is NOT for sale. Jim C.

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Windy Shooting, Heavies, TX200 amp; Steroids

Msg. 109227  Posted by MartinL on May 05, 1999 at 17:23:31:

I just got in from a shooting spree on my 55yrd range, the wind gusting enough to cause branches to halt my aim many times. The first few shots were taken with my Steroid in .22 cal using William's peeps aiming to hit a set of swingers. I was able to get metal most each and every time on the 3" swinger and frequently on the 2" guy. Impressed the heck out of me, reinforcing my belief in the gun/pellet combination. The Benjamin has always been a solid performer in the element of windy conditions.

So I went in to get the TX just for grins to see how it was holding up to the chrono test, as much as anything. Then I tried the swingers and once I collected the spot on the crosshairs on the Bushnell 6x18 scope to compensate for the wind and elevation I was able to knock the 1" swinger around on every other shot, even though the wind was intermittently causing me to wait for the branches to clear. I was using 10.5 CP pellets in place of the 7.9 CPs I usually shoot and truly believe the accuracy is worth the trade off in FPS. I lost 120fps when going to the heavy pellets but gained bigtime in the control of the wind drift.

Bottom tine is that the pneumatic(Steroid) is a killer with CPs and also the B/S Diablos. The TX works the CP heavies much better than std weights. Any day that I can walk out on the patio after such a long dry spell from shooting and perform this well lends very much weight(IMHO) to the precision of these fine guns coupled with the pellet selection..ml
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Re: Wondering about a Beeman R9

Msg. 109226  Posted by Andrew Leung on May 05, 1999 at 17:20:17:

In Reply to: Re: Wondering about a Beeman R9 posted by Jim C. on May 05, 1999 at 14:53:10:

OR Jim has a really nice BSA supersport to sell to you!!!

hee hee



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Thanks for the comment, but...

Msg. 109225  Posted by Wade on May 05, 1999 at 17:15:41:

In Reply to: Re: Windage and Pellet Drift posted by Jim Baumann on May 05, 1999 at 15:20:07:

I'm just a regular guy with no special talent.
I just shoot a lot a lead and I know my equipment
inside and out. Wade
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JBM online Ballistics calculators IE 5.0 with 3D Banshee locks up system ...

Msg. 109224  Posted by vZc on May 05, 1999 at 17:15:10:

In Reply to: JBM online Ballistics calculators IE 5.0 with 3D Banshee : it's the Creative software driver... posted by vZc on May 05, 1999 at 17:13:24:

... original problem.
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BSA Super 10 Sling

Msg. 109223  Posted by RLW on May 05, 1999 at 17:14:49:

I have a BSA Super 10. Because of the "buddy bottle" of air attached to the forearm area the wood is very thin there. I am trying to find a set of sling swivels that will fit this gun for a sling as well as a Harris bi-pod. Any suggestions?
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JBM online Ballistics calculators IE 5.0 with 3D Banshee : it's the Creative software driver...

Msg. 109222  Posted by vZc on May 05, 1999 at 17:13:24:

... installed 3Dfx driver (Intel/NCR RU430HX mthrbrd + NT 4.0 SP5 too) and runs without error.
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crosman 1100 .380 trap shotgun

Msg. 109221  Posted by glm on May 05, 1999 at 16:40:42:

I'm interested if there is a market for this fine old c02 shotgun. Less than two boxes shot.
Or does anyone have any other information on this c02 shotgun?
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Re: SM 1000

Msg. 109220  Posted by Jerry Rhodes on May 05, 1999 at 16:35:25:

In Reply to: Re: SM 1000 posted by ertzog on May 03, 1999 at 10:32:34:

Ertzog,

You live a sheltered life if 15# + seems like a lot.

My SM1000 before and after the JM respring and tune shot and shoots CP lites at 933 yeilding a bit over 15# energy.

Even so you can do a lot of damage with 15#.

Good shooting,

Jerry



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Re: The only problem this gun has is the stock will get loosen easily.

Msg. 109219  Posted by Donald on May 05, 1999 at 16:33:21:

In Reply to: The only problem this gun has is the stock will get loosen easily. posted by Harry Chu on May 05, 1999 at 11:47:51:

Harry......Are you talking about the walnut stock, synthetic stock or both?
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Re: RWS CA715: .22 cal 50+ ft-lb bolt action rifle @ $474 from FSI (url)

Msg. 109218  Posted by greg jorstad on May 05, 1999 at 16:14:39:

In Reply to: RWS CA715: .22 cal 50+ ft-lb bolt action rifle @ $474 from FSI (url) posted by vZc on May 05, 1999 at 16:04:16:

interesting gun, what kind of pump are they referring to, Axxor?
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Can a R1 be used for FT

Msg. 109217  Posted by JW on May 05, 1999 at 16:13:27:

Can a R1 be competive in FT matches. Mine is a .20 cal. Would I have a better target gun if I switched barrels to a .177 cal ? (I can't afford a TX 200 right now)
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Can Anyone Help Me With A Tuned R9?

Msg. 109216  Posted by Tim on May 05, 1999 at 16:13:16:

I am looking to by another airgun. I saw the R9 and heard that it was a great gun even when it is not tuned. If anyone has a tuned R9 could you please post a message with the following info, What scope and mount do you have? What is the FPS of this gun in .20 cal? Also what is the life span of the spring? Thanks

Tim
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RWS CA715: .22 cal 50+ ft-lb bolt action rifle @ $474 from FSI (url)

Msg. 109215  Posted by vZc on May 05, 1999 at 16:04:16:

... try must have read my mine or
I 'm clairvoyant (the latter is more probable).

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Firearm bolt action conversion or adapter to PCP = RWS CA715 .22 caliber ...?

Msg. 109214  Posted by vZc on May 05, 1999 at 15:58:41:

In Reply to: Firearm bolt action conversion or adapter to PCP ? posted by vZc on May 02, 1999 at 22:09:32:

FSI Catalog #119 p.23 @ $474.84
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Re: Macarri Tunes

Msg. 109213  Posted by Ron B on May 05, 1999 at 15:41:25:

In Reply to: Macarri Tunes posted by Greywolf on May 05, 1999 at 14:52:44:

Follow the links at the top of page. 'forum'
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Link.....

Msg. 109212  Posted by Ron B on May 05, 1999 at 15:39:37:

In Reply to: Does anyone have any information on Benj 392 steroid upgrades? posted by John n on May 05, 1999 at 15:27:52:

Many other links in the forum.

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Re: Now I know what everyone means.......

Msg. 109211  Posted by Johnny O. on May 05, 1999 at 15:38:33:

In Reply to: Re: Now I know what everyone means....... posted by WZA on May 05, 1999 at 14:37:16:

You have a good point. I'm already having a problem with getting the factory sights down far enough.
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Re: Theoben Import/Export?

Msg. 109210  Posted by Dave Monck on May 05, 1999 at 15:37:30:

In Reply to: Re: Theoben Import/Export? posted by MCsenger on May 05, 1999 at 14:37:27:

You could try Youngmans sporting Guns at Great Yarmouth in England. Chris and Julian export a lot to the States- Chris's wife is an American! Will forward 'phone number tomorrow.
tegards Dave M.
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Re: Now I know what everyone means.......

Msg. 109209  Posted by wved on May 05, 1999 at 15:28:18:

In Reply to: Re: Now I know what everyone means....... posted by WZA on May 05, 1999 at 14:37:16:

Hi WZA! I shot my R10 with a peep when I first got it and it wouldn't adjust low enough (shot 1" high at 30ft at lowest setting), but I kinda tricked the "scope barrel angle" by putting the front sight insert (post style) in up-side down. It worked with my gun. I have a 4x12 Trophy scope on the gun now and I have to agree with Johnny O that the gun doesn't handle as nice with the extra weight of the scope. Alas, these 52yr old nearsighted eyes are getting poorer (even with glasses), and now I'm forced to use a scope at any range past 20yds. I'm getting a .20 R9 in the future, to go with my .177 R10. I plan to use a 4x Sportview Airgun scope on it keep the hunting/plinking weight down. wved
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Does anyone have any information on Benj 392 steroid upgrades?

Msg. 109208  Posted by John n on May 05, 1999 at 15:27:52:

Thanks for any help.
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Re: Windage and Pellet Drift

Msg. 109207  Posted by Jim Baumann on May 05, 1999 at 15:20:07:

In Reply to: Re: Windage and Pellet Drift posted by Wade on May 05, 1999 at 15:03:39:


I have no doubt that you are correct, Wade; and I tend to agree; but, the truth is, if I were to be totaly honest, I havn't a clue. I can only guess lucky, sometimes.

Now, if I could, just, shoot like you; I would not complain about the wind, or blame a missed shot on it.

Jim
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.22 cal air rifle vs rimfire bore land to land dimensions ?

Msg. 109206  Posted by vZc on May 05, 1999 at 15:04:27:

In Reply to: Re: .22 cal air rifle vs firearm bore land to land dimensions ? posted by peteR on May 05, 1999 at 13:15:33:

.
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Re: How did you get shots beyond the first kill, didn't the others fly off?(nt)

Msg. 109205  Posted by Jim C. on May 05, 1999 at 15:03:59:

In Reply to: How did you get shots beyond the first kill, didn't the others fly off?(nt) posted by MartinL on May 05, 1999 at 12:41:08:

Martin, The fun thing about shooting Crows is that one kill will frequently bring a whole flock of very angry Crows who momentarily forget common sense and swarm all over where their buddy was just killed. I dropped 3 with a BSA
a couple months ago before they quit landing.
At first there were 3 but by the time it was over, there were probably 20. All of them screaming bloody murder. I was laughing so hard I couldn't
hold still enough to shoot any more. Jim C.

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Re: Windage and Pellet Drift

Msg. 109204  Posted by Wade on May 05, 1999 at 15:03:39:

In Reply to: Re: Windage and Pellet Drift posted by Jim Baumann on May 05, 1999 at 13:50:09:

I think the wind tumbles at or close to ground
level in a vortex. Wind meters are at least 4'
off the ground for this reason. Most of the time
that I shoot (a pellet gun) in the wind, there
is no pattern of deflection - just a pattern.

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Daisy SoftAir Guns

Msg. 109203  Posted by Greywolf on May 05, 1999 at 14:53:58:

I have a collection of Soft Air guns that I want to sell, and I need to know what their value is. Most of these guns were made by Daisy, and are VERY realistic looking. They fire 6mm round plastic pellets and I will describe them below:

1 - An H&K MP5K, pump action from front handle, has removable magazine that has plastic rounds, and you place the 6mm pellet in the round, load into magazine, then fire, pumping handle to eject an dchamber next round.

2 - What looks like a KG-99 Submachine gun, operates on same principle as the HK MP5, and has a metal magazine. This one is still in the original box with manual and targets.

3 - H&K P9 pistol, has removable magazine - when you fire it, it knocks the slide partially back, then you pull the slide back to chamber the next pellet.

4 - Luger P38 pistol, loads only one single pellet at a time.

5 - S&W .357 magnum revolver - this one has an odd firing system - it has 6 cartridges that each have springs in them, you load a pellet into each, then load the cartridges into the pistol and fire them.

6 - An exact duplicate of a Steyr AUG assault rifle that has a removable magazine. It takes the same 6mm pellets and operates using compressed air - I do not have any air or the attachment that goes from the gun to the tube.

Thanks to everyone for your help in getting an idea as to what these are worth - Daisy stopped making these years ago, so I wonder if that helps with the value.


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Re: Windage and Pellet Drift ~ The Math

Msg. 109202  Posted by A-TEAM-RAY on May 05, 1999 at 14:53:12:

In Reply to: Windage and Pellet Drift posted by James Pieper on May 05, 1999 at 12:47:35:

You will find this equation in many books if you look for it. FSI's advanced airgun ballistics uses a slightly different equation.

Wind Deflection:
Dw=Vw*(T-(R/Vi))

Where:

Dw=Wind Deflection (inches)
Vw=Velocity of 90 degree cross-wind component (inches per second)
T=Bullets time of flight (seconds)
R=Distance from muzzle to target (feet)
Vi=Velocity at the muzzle (feet per second)

This equation came out of a reloading manual but that doesn't mean it is gospel. I have used it in a trajectory program that I have written but I have no way of proving it. I have held the distance spit out by the program and got targets and also missed targets with the same gun. Judging the wind velocity is not easy and then is the wind constant throughout the pellets travel? I use it as a guide and then my gutt takes over. Anyway here is the math that has been used for years.


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Re: Wondering about a Beeman R9

Msg. 109201  Posted by Jim C. on May 05, 1999 at 14:53:10:

In Reply to: Wondering about a Beeman R9 posted by Kady Russell on May 05, 1999 at 14:12:35:

Hi Kady, According to the Beeman catalog I have, the R7 has a 18 lb cocking effort while the R9 lists at 40 lbs. The R9 weighs about 1 lb.
more than the R7, and the R9 is 3" longer. My opinion is that half the trick in cocking a springer
is in technique, so you probably have the ability
allready. 5'4" is no shrimp. I have been popped
by my 5'4" sister and I KNOW she could have
cocked an R9. Your best bet would be to find
someone who has one and try it out or find
a dealer who sells it in your area. Good luck, Jim

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Macarri Tunes

Msg. 109200  Posted by Greywolf on May 05, 1999 at 14:52:44:

How does one contact Jim Macarri to see about getting one of his famed "tune-ups" - I have an RX-1 in .22 - what could he do for it and would it be worth the money ? It just recently had a tuneup from Beeman.

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Re: Who makes Marksman - BSF made the model 70

Msg. 109199  Posted by The Airgun Letter on May 05, 1999 at 14:52:23:

In Reply to: Re: Who makes Marksman posted by daveg on May 05, 1999 at 14:09:46:

You wrote:
Well I contacted Air America and asked about the Marksman .22 model 70.For starters they said marksman was made by
vishu,that may not be the right spelling. pronounced v-shoe.They also said the model 70 was just about equal to the R1.I also asked about the pro-elite.They said it was tough to get right now and so were parts.Well that takes care of the Marksman question for me.Thanks for all the help everybody.
====================
Regarding the Marksman model 70's heritage - I believe Wischo sold the model 70, but BSF (which is no longer in existence) manufactured them. Weihrauch bought the tooling from the former BSF factory.

Edith Gaylord
The Airgun Letter
staff@null.null
http://www.airgunletter.null
http://www.airgunletter.com

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Re: Theoben Import/Export?

Msg. 109198  Posted by MCsenger on May 05, 1999 at 14:37:27:

In Reply to: Re: Theoben Import/Export? posted by Howard C on May 05, 1999 at 13:04:17:


Here's a possible US importer:

Pomona Air Guns
760 / 244-8271
Victorville CA.

"imports DayState, Theoben, Falcon, Airguns from England. Call for current prices."

Also fabricates parts...

I placed a call just yesterday and landed in voicemail telling me that the fellow is recovering from a car wreck and has scaled back his hours for a while. Try Tues-Sat 1:00 to 4:00 pm Calif. time.



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Re: Now I know what everyone means.......

Msg. 109197  Posted by WZA on May 05, 1999 at 14:37:16:

In Reply to: Now I know what everyone means....... posted by Johnny O. on May 05, 1999 at 11:56:55:

Watch out on the peep sights. The barrel angle may not be low enough on the Beeman guns, and the aperture sight will not adjust low enough. Its better to get a scope.
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Re: Crosman 2200

Msg. 109196  Posted by Joel on May 05, 1999 at 14:34:12:

In Reply to: Crosman 2200 posted by Donald on May 05, 1999 at 10:49:30:

I wrote to Crosman and asked them if the power plant for the 2200 was basically the same as that of the Ben/Sher 392 and they wrote back "it is very close".

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Wondering about a Beeman R9

Msg. 109195  Posted by Kady Russell on May 05, 1999 at 14:12:35:

I am 5'4", 102 lbs. Is a Beeman R9 too big and too hard to cock for someone my size? I currently shoot an R7 and it is no problem for me. Thank you in advance.
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Re: Who makes Marksman

Msg. 109194  Posted by daveg on May 05, 1999 at 14:09:46:

In Reply to: Re: Who makes Marksman posted by daveg on May 04, 1999 at 13:02:59:

Well I contacted Air America and asked about the
Marksman .22 model 70.For starters they said
marksman was made by
vishu,that may not be the right spelling.
pronounced v-shoe.They also said the model 70
was just about equal to the R1.I also asked about
the pro-elite.They said it was tough to get right
now and so were parts.Well that takes care
of the Marksman question for me.Thanks for all
the help everybody.
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Re: Who makes Marksman

Msg. 109193  Posted by daveg on May 05, 1999 at 14:09:06:

In Reply to: Re: Who makes Marksman posted by daveg on May 04, 1999 at 13:02:59:

Well I contacted Air America and asked about the
Marksman .22 model 70.For starters they said
marksman was made by
vishu,that may not be the right spelling.
pronounced v-shoe.They also said the model 70
was just about equal to the R1.I also asked about
the pro-elite.They said it was tough to get right
now and so were parts.Well that takes care
of the Marksman question for me.Thanks for all
the help everybody.
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Re: .22 cal air rifle vs firearm bore land to land dimensions ?

Msg. 109192  Posted by Ron B on May 05, 1999 at 14:07:45:

In Reply to: .22 cal air rifle vs firearm bore land to land dimensions ? posted by vZc on May 05, 1999 at 12:04:43:

vZc,

That would be a good project for you to research vZc. In the process you could learn about twist, barrel deflection, harmonics, bedding of actions and all sorts of techinical things dealing with ballistics and shooting.

Then, you could report back and let us know what you learned.

Lolar Walther in the web links would be a good place to start.

HTH,
Ron
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Re: What is it regulator for PCP ?.(no mess.)

Msg. 109191  Posted by jj on May 05, 1999 at 13:54:46:

In Reply to: Re: What is it regulator for PCP ?.(no mess.) posted by Ron B on May 05, 1999 at 13:35:18:

Although I agree with Ron, I will try to explain.

A regular regulates the amount of air between it and the valve.
It helps maintain power consistency from shot to shot.
A good reg. will only have a 5 fps extreme spread, as both of my A-team regs do. Also, it may help with barrel harmonics as Ray (A-team) once explained on this forum.

As the amount of air used from shot to shot is somewhat consistent.

Also, as a side benefit, it allows more shots per fill.

I am sure Ray can explain it better, but..........
HTH
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Scope?.......

Msg. 109190  Posted by Ron B on May 05, 1999 at 13:53:30:

In Reply to: Re: Seeking advice on buying son's airgun posted by E Fudd on May 05, 1999 at 13:38:32:

Personally, I would never scope a rifle for a person learning how to shoot who had decent eyesight, especially a child. The hand / eye coordination necessary is a good learning tool and somewhat like driving a stick shift vehicle, one can always digress after they learn the 'old fashioned' way.

I own only three 'scopes' and twenty or so firearms or airguns. One scope is in the box, one scope is mounted on an airrifle due to a lost front sight and one is on a .243 I use for deer harvesting.

A scoped gun is necessary for certain games played with guns, to be competitive. But to enjoy the fun, it is one more thing to break.

JMO,
Ron
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Re: Windage and Pellet Drift

Msg. 109189  Posted by Jim Baumann on May 05, 1999 at 13:50:09:

In Reply to: Windage and Pellet Drift posted by James Pieper on May 05, 1999 at 12:47:35:


Hi James:

The term Drift is generally used to describe the side movement of a projectial caused by its rotation. The term Deflection is the correct one.

Sorry, about this statement; but, I have no wish to be jumped on by book reading experts; as I have really grown tired of that.

To get to your question, the amount of wind drift is caused by several factors. Velocity, of course, being one. To put it simply velocities around, or close to the speed of sound will tent to increase wind drift, some. This has do to the pressure wave that goes with the speed of sound. It actually starts to build at velocities around 840 FPS; but, it is temp and humidity and related; just as the the speed of sound is related to these factors.

Now, that I have gotten that out of the way, and having confused myself, in the process, I will continue. Please don't ask me to explain the above statement, as I really don't quite understand it myself; I only know that it occures,
to some degree. The only thing that I have noticed is that ballistic stability seems to get real weird when a bullet drops through the speed of sound.

Other than that; wind drift, increases with lower velocities, and a lower ballistic coefficient. In other words, the lower the velocity the more wind drift you will get, and the lower the ballistic coefficient of the bullet, or pellets is; the more wind drift you will get.

Time of flight has more to do with drop than wind drift. If you were to campare a large heavy bullet, with a large ballistic coefficient, shot at very high velocity to a very light airgun pellet, with its tiny ballistic coefficient, shot at a much lower velocity, you will see that when you match the time of filghts up you will find that the wind drift will be slightly less for the big heavy bullet, than it is for the pellet.

However, when it comes to wind drift, in the real world; I have my doubts. Wind has a nasty habbit of doing some very weird things, like going two differant directions at the same time.
Near as I can tell, it is usually caused by the wind bouncing off of trees, and no end of other objects that my be in its path. When you think about wind drift; think about a stream, and the way that flows accross, and around objects.

I would also, like to add, that given the vararion of ballistic coefficients that I have found, and do to ballistic instability, in the real world; I would not bet any real money on any of it. You may get some real pat answers, for some; but, I have found very little that implies that anything about ballistics, or accuracy is ever ingraved in stone.

Jim

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Re: Windage and Pellet Drift

Msg. 109188  Posted by E Fudd on May 05, 1999 at 13:47:38:

In Reply to: Windage and Pellet Drift posted by James Pieper on May 05, 1999 at 12:47:35:

It's a little bit of both. Windspeed equals the force acting on your pellet to accellerate it off course. Time in flight allows the pellet to build up a sideways velocity.
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Re: Windage and Pellet Drift

Msg. 109187  Posted by Wade on May 05, 1999 at 13:42:06:

In Reply to: Windage and Pellet Drift posted by James Pieper on May 05, 1999 at 12:47:35:

Time definately has a factor, but the size of the
projectile and its weight must figure into it as
well. Lighter, at the same speed, will deflect more
than heavier. Wade
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Re: Seeking advice on buying son's airgun

Msg. 109186  Posted by E Fudd on May 05, 1999 at 13:38:32:

In Reply to: Re: Seeking advice on buying son's airgun posted by John T on May 05, 1999 at 13:03:51:

A scope is almost always worthwhile. It will certainly improve any of the guns I suggested. You don't need to buy one immediately though. I ussually spend all I can afford on a gun, and then buy a scope later when I can afford it.
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Re: What is it regulator for PCP ?.(no mess.)

Msg. 109185  Posted by Wade on May 05, 1999 at 13:37:30:

In Reply to: What is it regulator for PCP ?.(no mess.) posted by Oskar on May 05, 1999 at 13:11:38:

As all regulators do, they regulate, and for PCP's
they maintain a set pressure against the valve, so
each hit by the hammer will have the same resis-
tance.
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Re: What is it regulator for PCP ?.(no mess.)

Msg. 109184  Posted by Ron B on May 05, 1999 at 13:35:18:

In Reply to: What is it regulator for PCP ?.(no mess.) posted by Oskar on May 05, 1999 at 13:11:38:

Have Hans or Ray with the 'A-team' send you their literature on regulators. The explanation is far more complete than I could do.

Basicly though, it allows a PCP gun to be more consistant in pellet speed than without one.

Link for e-mail in URL.

HTH,
Ron
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Re: Whistling Rabbits

Msg. 109183  Posted by Rudy on May 05, 1999 at 13:27:13:

In Reply to: Whistling Rabbits posted by Marty Jones on May 05, 1999 at 13:21:06:

Works on SouthWest cottontails! My father taught me that trick about 30 years ago. Rudy
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Whistling Rabbits

Msg. 109182  Posted by Marty Jones on May 05, 1999 at 13:21:06:

In Reply to: Rabbit Hunting Tips posted by Leighton Hood From New Zealand on May 05, 1999 at 01:46:44:

I have hunted rabbits with many primitive and
low-power weapons, including slingshots and
rabbit sticks. One trick that was shown to
me years ago works for slingshots and airguns.

Walk through the fields until you jump a rabbit.
They will often not move until you are right on
them, as they would prefer that you pass them
by without noticing. As they bound away, give
one loud shrill whistle. More often than not,
the rabbit will freeze, trying to determine what
made the noise before proceding. That's when
you shoot him. Use open sights or low-power
scopes, the shot will have to be taken quickly.

Don't know if it works for all breeds, but the
regular field rabbits around here seem to fall
for it.

best regards,

Marty Jones

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Re: .22 cal air rifle vs firearm bore land to land dimensions ?

Msg. 109181  Posted by peteR on May 05, 1999 at 13:15:33:

In Reply to: .22 cal air rifle vs firearm bore land to land dimensions ? posted by vZc on May 05, 1999 at 12:04:43:

airgun, rimfire?

or

airgun, rimfire, centerfire?

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Re: How long can a pneumatic stay pumped?

Msg. 109180  Posted by Marty Jones on May 05, 1999 at 13:13:26:

In Reply to: Re: How long can a pneumatic stay pumped? posted by Jerry Rhodes on May 05, 1999 at 12:03:38:

I do the same. As a kid, I would usually pump
up my Benjamin 312 with about 8 pumps before
leaving my backyard. I'd then walk around in
the fields and woods until a shot presented
itself. Never noticed a loss in power, and
as far as I know the gun still functions as
well as it did 32 years ago.

Just wish it were still in my own collection!

best regards,

Marty Jones
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What is it regulator for PCP ?.(no mess.)

Msg. 109179  Posted by Oskar on May 05, 1999 at 13:11:38:

What is it regulator for PCP ?.
Many Thanks.
Oskar.
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Re: Theoben Import/Export?

Msg. 109178  Posted by Howard C on May 05, 1999 at 13:04:17:

In Reply to: Theoben Import/Export? posted by M.A.D. on May 05, 1999 at 11:05:28:

M.A.D.

If you get U.S. Airgun Magazine there's an
ad for Uttings Gun Co. in England and you can order direct from them, Here's their phone number
from the USA 011-44-1603-619811 also the fax number 011-44-1603-619849 but you'll have to use a credit card and it may take some time to get it as it goes through customs. Also if it is damaged in shipping it may take awhile to get something done about it.

I hope this helps.

Good Luck !

Howard
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Re: Seeking advice on buying son's airgun

Msg. 109177  Posted by John T on May 05, 1999 at 13:03:51:

In Reply to: Re: Seeking advice on buying son's airgun posted by jrk on May 04, 1999 at 14:52:38:

less than $150. Son Also wants a scope.
But at this price is it worth it?
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Re: Co2 capsule's universal for all Co2 guns?

Msg. 109176  Posted by jhw on May 05, 1999 at 12:58:24:

In Reply to: Re: Co2 capsule's universal for all Co2 guns? posted by Jeff on May 04, 1999 at 23:29:00:

KMart has them (in packs of 15) on sale occasionally.
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Does the MKV come in 20 cal?(nt)

Msg. 109175  Posted by MartinL on May 05, 1999 at 12:48:44:

In Reply to: Re: Difference tween a TX and PE. I goofed posted by RBest on May 04, 1999 at 23:41:53:

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Windage and Pellet Drift

Msg. 109174  Posted by James Pieper on May 05, 1999 at 12:47:35:

Is pellet drift more a factor of wind velocity or the amount of time the pellet is exposed to that given wind velocity? For the purpose of this discussion, assume the wind is perpendicular to the flight path of the pellet.
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How did you get shots beyond the first kill, didn't the others fly off?(nt)

Msg. 109173  Posted by MartinL on May 05, 1999 at 12:41:08:

In Reply to: Re: Hunting story posted by Ed Devlin on May 05, 1999 at 07:12:57:

x
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Aviod ads and spam e-mail man Spaaaaaaam nt

Msg. 109172  Posted by Rich on May 05, 1999 at 12:27:05:

In Reply to: Emily Post posted by Jerry Rhodes on May 05, 1999 at 08:49:14:

nt
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Re: Stippling

Msg. 109171  Posted by DoctorD on May 05, 1999 at 12:14:09:

In Reply to: Re: Stippling posted by LOU V.K. on May 05, 1999 at 09:13:48:

Thanks Lou, I should probably just go over to Don's house and have him supervise. The engraver I have operates at such a fast speed (not adjustable) that it seems to scribe a continuous groove and not a series of holes (stippling).
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.22 cal air rifle vs firearm bore land to land dimensions ?

Msg. 109168  Posted by vZc on May 05, 1999 at 12:04:43:

What are the industry standards & differences ?
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Re: How long can a pneumatic stay pumped?

Msg. 109167  Posted by Jerry Rhodes on May 05, 1999 at 12:03:38:

In Reply to: How long can a pneumatic stay pumped? posted by Fearon Steele on May 05, 1999 at 03:57:22:

Fearon,

You should experience a very small drop in chamber pressure due to cooling of the air that was heated while being pumped over a period of 10 min. (assuming nice shirt sleave weather)

I will try pumping my steroid Sheridan 8 pumps and shooting it over the chrony to get a base line and then pump it 8 times and shoot it 15 min later and see if there is a significant difference. I doubt that there will be a noticeable difference.

In the meantime just pump it up, load it, and wait quietly for the next "target of opportunity" to appear. I really never give it any thought. I just pump up a cold gun 8 times and go looking for something to shoot at.

I store all of my pumpers with a couple of pumps in them.

Jerry
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Re: Who makes Marksman

Msg. 109166  Posted by wved on May 05, 1999 at 12:03:21:

In Reply to: Re: Who makes Marksman posted by Wayne on May 05, 1999 at 02:23:31:

Hi Wayne! I don't know about the Marksman but the R10 came in both the standard and deluxe model and *I think* that only the Deluxe R10 had the same power as the R9,the standard R10 had less power. wved
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Now I know what everyone means.......

Msg. 109165  Posted by Johnny O. on May 05, 1999 at 11:56:55:

Just go my Tarantula tuned, .20 cal R9 from JM yesterday. That is one SWEEEET little gun. The trigger on it is possibly better than my PE's. At least, I may like it better. It's small, light, accurate, with good power. What more could one want in an "all around" gun?

Don't have a chrony, so can't tell what kind of velocity I'm getting. However, it does seem partial to FTS and Kodiak's on the accuracy side. I'm anxious to put a scope on it to see what kind of accuracy this gun will get, but hate to add any weight, for it feels sooo good the way it is. Might even try a peep sight before mounting a scope, just to see what it will do. For now, I'm enjoying it with the factory sights......
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Hydrostatic testing of air cylinders

Msg. 109164  Posted by The Airgun Letter on May 05, 1999 at 11:54:45:

In Reply to: Re: How save are the PCP air cylinders of a Career 707, Theoben Super 7, Styer LG1p, etc. posted by John Mickel on May 04, 1999 at 18:13:32:

You wrote:
Scuba tanks must, by law, be visually inspected each year and hydrostatically tested each 5 yrs. I don't see why that shouldn't be the case with a PCP cylinder....
=========================
It's my understanding that hydrostatic testing is mandatory only for air cylinders that are more than 2" in diameter.

Edith Gaylord
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Good Point Lou(nt)

Msg. 109163  Posted by homer on May 05, 1999 at 11:53:58:

In Reply to: Unhampered airgunning posted by LOU V.K. on May 05, 1999 at 08:48:00:

nt
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The only problem this gun has is the stock will get loosen easily.

Msg. 109162  Posted by Harry Chu on May 05, 1999 at 11:47:51:

In Reply to: Crosman 2200 posted by Donald on May 05, 1999 at 10:49:30:

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You might be able to mount a scope on your Benj. 392 without interfering with the pumping action

Msg. 109161  Posted by The Airgun Letter on May 05, 1999 at 11:41:00:

In Reply to: Re: BENJAMIN 22-HOW ACCURATE? posted by Joel on May 04, 1999 at 21:19:59:

You wrote:
In both cases the scope is riding the best spot to hold the gun for pumping.
===================
Actually, you might want to contact Airgun Express. They sell the custom mounts and intermounts made by machinist Kurt Borlaug. I don't know if the one he makes for the Sheridan Streaks will work on the Benjamin. But Leigh Wilcox at Airgun Express will know. And if it does work for the Benjamin and you pick the right type of scope, you'll be able to pump the gun without touching the scope! Find the contact info for Airgun Express on our Airgun Resources Web page link below.

Edith Gaylord
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the Scope rail is the bore collimation reference and so should the rail top surface ...

Msg. 109160  Posted by vZc on May 05, 1999 at 11:29:13:

In Reply to: Re: Never completed or past a college level English course ... posted by Wade on May 05, 1999 at 10:07:13:

...without removal of stock.

I practice surgicial rifle procedures: minimum subcomponent disassembly.

On the RWS 48, center hole between rear iron sights will balance a Johnson curved vial plumb to rail top.

Good rethink.
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Re: Info on S amp; W 586?

Msg. 109159  Posted by Phil Herman on May 05, 1999 at 11:12:45:

In Reply to: Info on S amp; W 586? posted by Ross on May 05, 1999 at 09:24:11:

Ross,
I haven't found much on the web yet, even at Smith & Wesson website. They are on the market though, Golden Toller guns has the 6" blued model listed and Tom Gaylord had one on display at the WWCCA show. I didn't shoot it but Tom let me dry-fire it and the DA is totally different from the other Umarex guns (VERY smooth). I only wish they would have hid the magazine within the cylinder rather than leave it forward of the fake cylinder as in the Daisy 44 and Crosman 357.
Saving my pennies,
Phil Herman

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Theoben Import/Export?

Msg. 109158  Posted by M.A.D. on May 05, 1999 at 11:05:28:

My question pertains to the laws governing importing and exporting
of airguns. Living in the USA, is it possible to purchase an actual
Theoben airgun, NOT a Beeman, from the UK? Possibly from an importer
other than Beeman or from an exporter from the UK. Would that be
considered an illegal act, or has anyone done this before and how?
Thanks, to all who reply
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Thanks " Shorty " NT

Msg. 109157  Posted by Phil Herman on May 05, 1999 at 11:04:16:

In Reply to: Re: Stutzen posted by LOU V.K. on May 05, 1999 at 09:37:48:

nt
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Re: While we're talking about the 2289...���

Msg. 109156  Posted by Don S. on May 05, 1999 at 10:58:47:

In Reply to: Re: While we're talking about the 2289...��� posted by RBest on May 05, 1999 at 00:34:43:

Isn't the 2289 the 1322C with a longer barrel...What kin of velocity and accuracy do they obtain.

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Crosman 2200

Msg. 109155  Posted by Donald on May 05, 1999 at 10:49:30:

I'd like to know all about the Crosman 2200W or 2200B airrifle from people who own one.What kind of accuracy could I expect: 3/8's---1/2--3/4 at 33 feet.....How durable is it. Is it likely to last for 2000 rds or more.I'd sure appreciate hearing from anyone on this either here or at my email address above. Follow Ups:

Re: Career 707

Msg. 109154  Posted by Geoff.R.C. on May 05, 1999 at 10:34:01:

In Reply to: Re: Career 707 posted by Conrad on May 05, 1999 at 02:22:24:

Hi conrad,
About seven inches.There is however a big difference in handling.The carbine is very quick to swing onto a target.
I use my career's with the A.B.S.moderator.The carbine with the moderator in place is the same length as the rifle,the rifle with the moderator in place is more like a musket in length!
Which do I prefer? don't really know to be honest,depends on mood,maybe.
Geoff.
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Re: cleaning pellets in tempest?

Msg. 109153  Posted by Pine on May 05, 1999 at 10:24:21:

In Reply to: cleaning pellets in tempest? posted by tom on May 05, 1999 at 07:39:09:

I have found that when I use cleaning pellets in my
.177 Tempest, it is alarmingly LOUD. I mean almost firearm loud.
It bothered me, so I stopped. Instead (and I know it sounds strange),
I take a needle and thread and thread up one or two
cleaning pellets and pull them through the barrel. If the thread
ever breaks, I'll have problems, but it's worked
very well so far. Of course, what won't knock out any bees...
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Re: How long can a pneumatic stay pumped?

Msg. 109151  Posted by BC on May 05, 1999 at 10:18:16:

In Reply to: How long can a pneumatic stay pumped? posted by Fearon Steele on May 05, 1999 at 03:57:22:

I routinely leave 3-4 pumps in my Blue Streak, Cros 101, Cros 140 and Aces. None have shown detectable power loss after months of storage. I usually keep a Blue Streak or Ace loaded and pumped to 12 to 15 ft/lb for pests. No problems.
If it loses power overnight, it needs attention.
Bob

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Re: ADVANTAGE?? Yeah right!

Msg. 109150  Posted by JCBrown on May 05, 1999 at 10:14:07:

In Reply to: Re: ADVANTAGE?? Yeah right! posted by A-TEAM-RAY on May 04, 1999 at 16:26:31:

I contend - the Career is a bargain & when I was freezying my fingers off at the last match I was jealous of your rapid fire & quick reloading capabilities.

You have also proven the point I try to make to people who are "scared" to try FT because they don't have a top dollar PCP rig - anyone can win a FT match IF they take the time to get to know their gun THOROUGHLY (and practice, practice, practice).

BUT - to say the Nightforce & the Tasco are comparable is stretching it!!! My scope very seldom goes above 25x - optics are just to poor. To be completely honest, I don't think I've ever used it above 30x.

Thought you'd like that "elitist" remark ;-) Abe gets me with that one all the time.

JC

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Re: Never completed or past a college level English course ...

Msg. 109149  Posted by Wade on May 05, 1999 at 10:07:13:

In Reply to: Never completed or past a college level English course ... posted by vZc on May 04, 1999 at 19:50:40:

Vernon, you are putting a lot of faith in the
inletting. What if the person doing the inletting
was drunk or sick and got things a little canted
that day? Wade
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Re: Valiente, LD and other good quality CO2 rifles

Msg. 109148  Posted by The Airgun Letter on May 05, 1999 at 09:55:05:

In Reply to: Valiente, LD and other good quality CO2 rifles posted by Ric in AZ on May 04, 1999 at 00:34:27:

The Valiente and LD guns are sold by Bryan and Associates (which is Ron Sauls in South Carolina). You can get pricing and further information about these guns by going to Bryan and Associates' Web page. Their Web page can be located through our Airgun Resources Web page link given below.

Edith Gaylord
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Re: Hunting rifles

Msg. 109147  Posted by LOU V.K. on May 05, 1999 at 09:49:28:

In Reply to: Re: Hunting rifles posted by Mark Lemm on May 04, 1999 at 03:23:31:


Sorry Mark,you are only partially right. I have several PCP rifles that will shoot consistantly for up to as many as 100 shots with less than 5 fps velocity spread.These are all rifles that are equipped with regulators,unlike a few 'economy grade' PCP's in my collection,which display the 'power curve' that you write about. On how many hunting forays do you need more shots than that,unless you are also plinking at every small object that you encounter? If that is your habit,you are not hunting,as,you are just scaring all of the game away with all of your 'plinking' shots.
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Re: Unhampered airgunning

Msg. 109146  Posted by JMartin on May 05, 1999 at 09:42:45:

In Reply to: Unhampered airgunning posted by LOU V.K. on May 05, 1999 at 08:48:00:

AMEN! Thanks
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Re: Stutzen

Msg. 109145  Posted by LOU V.K. on May 05, 1999 at 09:37:48:

In Reply to: Re: Stutzen posted by Phil Herman on May 05, 1999 at 09:24:40:


When Phil says that he is big,that is an understatement. I am 6'1" tall,and when looking at Phil's face,from a standing position,I am looking right up inside of his nostrils. He is a nice guy,though,who shoots that little Stutzen pretty darned well,in hunter F.T..
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Re: Stutzen

Msg. 109144  Posted by Phil Herman on May 05, 1999 at 09:24:40:

In Reply to: Stutzen posted by chasm on May 04, 1999 at 23:19:16:

The Stutzen sure is a looker! I bought mine in January used from Brad's Classified site. I'm using the gun for Hunter F.T. since I'm a believer that when you shoot Hunter F.T. you should use a hunting gun and not your full blown F.T. rig. So to wrap things up, I also love the clocking/loading system as I am a big guy with big hands and have some difficulty loading a TX200, HW97/77, or RWS48/52/54, and the real selling point has got to be the looks.
Phil Herman

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Info on S amp; W 586?

Msg. 109143  Posted by Ross on May 05, 1999 at 09:24:11:

In Reply to: Re: C40 vs. Gamo R-77 Combat posted by Rusty on May 05, 1999 at 06:59:09:

Where can I find info on the S & W 586 on the web?
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Re: Stippling

Msg. 109142  Posted by LOU V.K. on May 05, 1999 at 09:13:48:

In Reply to: Stippling posted by DoctorD on May 05, 1999 at 09:04:27:


The engraver that you have is just fine as is.No springs need be removed. The drill on this one is to find a piece of 'sacrificial' ( do you like that one,Mr.Carkhuff ? ) walnut,on which you can practice. Draw whatever borders you want lightly,with a pencil,and,then apply rubber tape to the line. This will give you a ledge against which your engraver can bump,without over runs. Move the engraver in small circles,back and forth,etc.in a close random series of patterns. This is why you need to practice on the piece of scrap,( oops ),walnut. If the engraver has an adjustment for fine-coarse vibrations,set for maximum coarse,as this will work the best.
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Stippling

Msg. 109141  Posted by DoctorD on May 05, 1999 at 09:04:27:

I purchased a Pardini K-2 last month and after several series of shooting and carving secessions, I have the grip in the shape that fits me best. Now I have to replace the stippling I carved away. I read a post some time ago that said an option is to use an engraving tool. The post went on to say something about removing coils from the tool's spring before using it for this purpose. The engraving tool I have has no name on it, just the phrase "made in China". The point of the tool oscillates straight in and out without any side to side motion. Have any of you perfected a technique for using such a tool???
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Re: so what side do i want to mount

Msg. 109140  Posted by bob on May 05, 1999 at 08:57:21:

In Reply to: Re: Are you really supposed to turn that mounting plate upside down? posted by Rick Johnson on May 05, 1999 at 01:19:21:


wow i hope this setup really works, i love my kodiaks power it just isnt very accurate past 10 yds with open sights for me--just killed bunny this morning---anyway SO U NEVER SAID WHAT SIDE HAS TO BE DOWN TO MOUNT ON THE DOVETAIL--the german or british --on my kodiak---also without the dampa mount would i have to worry about scope problems, i mean like blowing crosshairs apart----whats a good scope model
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Emily Post

Msg. 109139  Posted by Jerry Rhodes on May 05, 1999 at 08:49:14:

In Reply to: Russ, Read this posted by Sam Adams on May 05, 1999 at 05:41:58:

Sam,

It is considered "bad form" to post an "anonomous" post. When you post your Email address you are telling the rest of us that you are "real" and can be approached. Of course it is possible to give yourself a fake email address but even that points in your direction.

I like to think of us as a close little community and when somebody posts without an email it is sort of like somebody sneaking up to the "clubhouse" window and shouting something through the window and then leaving.

One thing about this forum and the others as well is that you soon learn to read previous posts before you "open mouth and insert foot".

I have been struggling with something Abe Lincoln said all of my life and still don't have it right. "it is better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to open one's mouth and leave no doubt". :-)

You might have noticed that Russ was the least offended. That's the kind of chili cook that he is.

Jerry
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CMP has special price on FWB P70 Junior models for shooting clubs. Info inside

Msg. 109138  Posted by The Airgun Letter on May 05, 1999 at 08:48:37:

I received an e-mail from the Civilian Marksmanship Program (CMP) with the following information. Connie Knerr, Director of the Division of Program Support, said I could put it on the Airgun Forum:

---------Begin original message:
The Civilian Marksmanship Program has contracted with Beeman Precision Airguns to purchase up to 500 Feinwerkbau Model P70 Junior Air Rifles. These precision air rifles are being purchased by the CMP for resale to youth shooting programs at a cost of $650 each (to include shipping costs) - far below their retail value.

To qualify for this special purchase program, an organization must have an ongoing junior shooting program. In addition, an organization must be one of the following:

- A CMP affiliated junior club

- An Army, Navy, or Marine Corp JROTC Unit

Each organization is limited to the purchase of no more than four air rifles without special justification and authorization. You may contact the CMP Program Support Division toll free at (888) 267-0796, ext. 1111 for further details.
---------End original message

Edith Gaylord
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Unhampered airgunning

Msg. 109137  Posted by LOU V.K. on May 05, 1999 at 08:48:00:

For all of those who wish not to have their money and time spent on airgunning condemned by the distaff member of your family,please,( for your own sake,as well as hers ),remember that this,upcoming Sunday, is Mothers Day. I have been reminded on a few occasions in my life that "hell hath no fury like a woman scorned". Forgetting *HER* day is usually considered by most women,as a form of scorn. Protect yourself by remembering her. Most of the ladies will make this worth your while,as well.
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Sight correction............

Msg. 109136  Posted by Ron B on May 05, 1999 at 08:37:16:

In Reply to: Re: Did someone want this Hakko site??? posted by Doug Law on May 05, 1999 at 01:06:21:

Doug,

Tim at MAC-1 modifies mounts for barrel alignment problems. Correction, with no parts to break. You might check with him.

HTH,
Ron
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Re: .22 cal. TX200 Mk3: a good choice?

Msg. 109135  Posted by LOU V.K. on May 05, 1999 at 08:24:30:

In Reply to: .22 cal. TX200 Mk3: a good choice? posted by Pedro Marcos on May 05, 1999 at 08:04:55:


If *your* definition of better performance is hairsplitting accuracy,or,p.nullration,then,the .177 is the one. If you think that a solid "THWACK" on the target at short to medium ranges is what better performance means,then .22 is for you.
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Re: Thanks Lou (nt)

Msg. 109134  Posted by BobF on May 05, 1999 at 08:21:18:

In Reply to: Re: Bedding an Airgun? posted by LOU V.K. on May 04, 1999 at 15:18:35:



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German translation

Msg. 109133  Posted by Robin on May 05, 1999 at 08:20:36:

Does any die hard airgunner out there speak- read german. Need help with some translation . please email back. Robin
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Buy a used TX

Msg. 109132  Posted by H. Todd on May 05, 1999 at 08:20:19:

In Reply to: Difference tween a TX and PE posted by JMartin on May 04, 1999 at 21:53:11:

If I was buying, I would wait and buy a used TX. These rifles come up at least once a month and are great. You can get and a scope for the price of a new one.

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Re: Webley Vulcan

Msg. 109131  Posted by LOU V.K. on May 05, 1999 at 08:18:02:

In Reply to: Webley Vulcan posted by Bill on May 04, 1999 at 22:22:30:

Another fix for this *might be* the one advocated by many of the top piston gun shooters in F.T.,here in Michigan. Larry Bowers discovered that by swaging the skirt out to a slightly larger diameter with a Bic brand ball point pen,that had the internals removed,the skirt seal was dramatically improved,accuracy and velocity were enhanced,and,all of this by just pushing a stripped down 'throw away' pen into the skirts of the pellets.

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Whitewolf... lost info.

Msg. 109130  Posted by Darrell Scoggins on May 05, 1999 at 08:11:19:

give me a call conserning ssp250 stock
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Re: Pellets flush or past flush

Msg. 109129  Posted by LOU V.K. on May 05, 1999 at 08:05:08:

In Reply to: Re: Pellets flush or past flush posted by RBest on May 04, 1999 at 18:30:27:


Most *good quality* bolt action air rifles are machined with a tapered 'leade',which is a short segment of the barrel which has been reamed to be smooth bore,with a slight incline on the end of the rifling. Ideally,the pellet should be inserted to the exact point which will provide that the head of the skirt is engraved by the rifling,and,the skirt is in contact with the rifling,but,no gravure has yet started. This is regulated by machining the bolt probe,or,fore taper to this precise length,for a specific pellet make,and model. In the case of most piston guns,which require only hand seating of the pellet,this is an automatic,if no seater is used,with most pellets. If we consider that almost all pellets are manufactured with the head of the pellet being slightly smaller in diameter than the head,it is easy to see that the unsized pellet will seat to a proper depth with only finger pressure. If the pellet is seated fully into the rifling,insufficient resistance will be provided,and,the initial pressure rise at the instant of firing will be insufficient to fully obturate the skirt of the pellet into the grooves of the rifling,thus,a poor seal,and,leakage arround the skirt for a goodly length of the barrel.
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.22 cal. TX200 Mk3: a good choice?

Msg. 109128  Posted by Pedro Marcos on May 05, 1999 at 08:04:55:

In Reply to: Difference tween a TX and PE posted by JMartin on May 04, 1999 at 21:53:11:

What caliber can make the TX preform better (general purpose)?

Thanks!

P. Marcos
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Re: I'm back (sort of)

Msg. 109127  Posted by DonC on May 05, 1999 at 08:04:20:

In Reply to: Re: I'm back (sort of) posted by WJS/wi/usa on May 04, 1999 at 23:06:56:

I'll see you Saturday at Bristol for field target. Bring your new stuff for "show and tell". Ha
Don
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cleaning pellets in tempest?

Msg. 109125  Posted by tom on May 05, 1999 at 07:39:09:

i came home from work yesterday to find a carpenter bee chewing on my new arbor.
i decided to put an end to that, but wanted to give the bee a sporting chance.
before i squeezed off a round from my tempest, however, i realized that i might do more
damage with the pellet than the bee was doing! i remembered that i had some felt
cleaning pellets in .177. i loaded one up, and pole-axed the bee. no damage to the arbor --
mission accomplished.

this may become a recurring event. my question is, is it safe to use the cleaning
pellets in the tempest? i have not used them before due to hearing that they did
not provide enough resistance to the piston and the gun may be damaged.

thanks!
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Re: Great Saturday Practice with the A-Team

Msg. 109124  Posted by Bill B. on May 05, 1999 at 07:39:08:

In Reply to: Re: Great Saturday Practice with the A-Team posted by A-TEAM-RAY on May 05, 1999 at 00:17:18:

Ray,

Did you show Luis your prototype precharged TX?

B.
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Burnt Piston Seal?

Msg. 109123  Posted by Alain on May 05, 1999 at 07:32:12:

In Reply to: Burnt Piston Seal? posted by Ed Devlin on May 05, 1999 at 07:06:58:

Sounds like a blown seal. DO NOT KEEP SHOOTING IT. With nothing to slow the piston the gun self distruct. First the scope will fall apart. Then the barrel will come loose. Then the rings will get blown.

Alain
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Re: How long can a pneumatic stay pumped?

Msg. 109122  Posted by Benoit Landry on May 05, 1999 at 07:28:07:

In Reply to: How long can a pneumatic stay pumped? posted by Fearon Steele on May 05, 1999 at 03:57:22:

Once I accidently left my crosman 2200 fully pumped and loaaded (ouch!!) overnight without realizing it. In the morning I picked it up and was about to pull the trigger just for the heck of it when I realized the safety was on. I only activate it when I close the bolt before shooting...somehow I guessed that it might be loaded and aimed for the garbage can, just in case, and pulled the trigger. Now there is a nice hole in both sides of the can and a deep depression in my wall. That answer your question?

HTH Ben
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Re: favorite field target gun

Msg. 109121  Posted by Tim Baker on May 05, 1999 at 07:20:02:

In Reply to: Re: favorite field target gun posted by Mark Lemm on May 03, 1999 at 00:29:45:

thanx for the info Mark, will concider those, right now, am looking at a harrier,ph6,seems to fit all the parameters,for f.t., any thoughts on that one? tia, tb
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Re: Hunting story

Msg. 109120  Posted by Ed Devlin on May 05, 1999 at 07:12:57:

In Reply to: Hunting story posted by JB on May 05, 1999 at 01:10:36:

So, I thought I was having a pretty good day. Got
home from work and those darn crows were in the garden
in the backyard about 25 yards from the house. So
I got out the PW-tuned .20 R1, some Silver Bears and
sat down in the bedroom with the window open. Four silver
Bears later there were three dead crows on the ground.
All body shots, one was still live when it hit the ground,
but another body shot killed it. The other two dropped
like stones from the trees and never moved on the ground.

These are the first crows I have shot. I have read about how
hard they are to kill, but the 21 ft lb R1 did not seem
to have any problem with body shots and those were
big birds.

Ed
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Re: How long can a pneumatic stay pumped?

Msg. 109119  Posted by Alan on May 05, 1999 at 07:07:32:

In Reply to: How long can a pneumatic stay pumped? posted by Fearon Steele on May 05, 1999 at 03:57:22:

I leave pnumatics pumped for a few weeks with only 1 or 3 pumps and they hold. Full power should hold also, but I would not leave overnite or longer. Some pump guns have softer valve seal material and will take a 'groove set' if left under pressure. Modern urethane seat material is real tough and would be ok. Most CO2 guns have this now and can stay under pressure any amount of time. Alan

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Burnt Piston Seal?

Msg. 109117  Posted by Ed Devlin on May 05, 1999 at 07:06:58:

What is a burnt piston seal like? I was shooting my
Pro Elite and the pellet did not come out, but got
stuck partway in the barrel. I got the pellet out
with a cleaning rod and loaded another pellet in the gun.
When I shot it, the pellet did not move from the breech.
The gun only has about a thousand rounds through it,
does that sound like a burnt seal?

Ed
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Re: C40 vs. Gamo R-77 Combat

Msg. 109116  Posted by Rusty on May 05, 1999 at 06:59:09:

In Reply to: C40 vs. Gamo R-77 Combat posted by Ross on May 04, 1999 at 23:49:06:

You might want to wait a while on your next purchase. There is a S&W 586 that should be hitting the market soon. I read an article about ti in on of the Air gun magazines from the UK this week. It looks like a real nice piece.
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JM wants you to know.....

Msg. 110143  Posted by friartuc on May 09, 1999 at 06:58:21:

From JM on Delphi Forums...........

Would someone tell the AGL they have an old HW97.

The new ones I have seen are doing 905-925 fps with 7.9 grs and have the small plastic guide and R9 seal. AGL has the earlier dog!

Hence the review is flawed for owners of the latest greatest whatever!


-----------------------------------------

get your facts from the pros...Delphi Rules
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What would you recommend

Msg. 110142  Posted by Ezra Cooper-Finch on May 09, 1999 at 04:59:19:

I'm about to purchase a spring piston airgun,but before I go ahead with it I would like anyone to e-mail me the names of some that you would recommend.I'm looking for one that would be excellant for hunting(rabbits,possums),HIGH QUALITY,high powered,and accurate.

finchy@null.null
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Re: remember :when animals atack show\tape remember the Bow Hunter who snuck up on that deer ? the deer beat him silly. wonder how bad a beating youd get if you shot a deer with an airgun NT

Msg. 110141  Posted by M Boyle on May 09, 1999 at 04:54:16:

In Reply to: Re: Ever wanted to take a picture standing proudly by your prized buck ? ..............with your pellet gun. posted by Whitewolf on May 09, 1999 at 03:47:08:


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Re: FAC required for how many FPS in the US?: as fare as i know it a town by town thing..states rights remember most will have laws about shooting it in the city limits NT

Msg. 110140  Posted by M Boyle on May 09, 1999 at 04:45:21:

In Reply to: FAC required for how many FPS in the US? posted by Jeff on May 08, 1999 at 18:43:02:



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Re: Beeman Pellets

Msg. 110138  Posted by Mikael on May 09, 1999 at 04:03:44:

In Reply to: Beeman Pellets posted by Tony on May 08, 1999 at 17:33:13:

Sounds like they are made by Gamo. All the gamo pellets shots good in my ss but one of ten have the loose fit that you describe.
Mikael
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Re: Ever wanted to take a picture standing proudly by your prized buck ? ..............with your pellet gun.

Msg. 110137  Posted by Whitewolf on May 09, 1999 at 03:47:08:

In Reply to: Ever wanted to take a picture standing proudly by your prized buck ? ..............with your pellet gun. posted by John N. on May 08, 1999 at 18:29:04:

IMHO this would be an inhumane act. Your gun may have the power at a close precise spot upon the head, but a miss could leave the animal suffering. Just this last fall I took a nice 5pt (10 to you guys in the south) I shot him at less than 25 paces away with a 300 mag with 168gr bullet through the neck. As the animal thrashed its last fights of energy. I phoned a freind who lived only 10 km (6 miles) away to help me load the buck. So I drove over to his place and picked him up. After having a coffee we left to retrive the buck, upon arrival we found the buck had managed to get just about 50m from where he was shot. I felt like an a*s because I knew I should have stayed and made sure the animal was finished. Upon skinning him out I found that the bullet passed 1/4 in under the back bone between both jugulars and out. 15m more and the buck would have been in the next bush, and suffering more before dieing. What you may consider a precise shot depends heavily upon the animal urge to live. Just for thought do you think your gun has the energy for a second percise shot to make it a humane Kill???

Whitewolf
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Re: Scope gasket shims = 3M vinyl electrical tape thickness: (7, 8.5, 10 ) x mils

Msg. 110136  Posted by Bill B. on May 09, 1999 at 03:20:24:

In Reply to: Scope gasket shims = 3M vinyl electrical tape thickness: (7, 8.5, 10 ) x mils posted by vZc on May 09, 1999 at 00:44:36:

Stuff squirms. Useless.

B.
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Re: Opinions on RWS Model 10 pistol....

Msg. 110135  Posted by Wayne on May 09, 1999 at 03:17:53:

In Reply to: Opinions on RWS Model 10 pistol.... posted by Tim A. on May 08, 1999 at 23:09:50:

All of the previous posts were true. It is very accurate and relatively high powered but is long and heavy and takes getting used to. The IZH-46 is better balance, more accurate and cost less new than a mod. 10 used (typically).
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Re: Foolishness

Msg. 110134  Posted by ToddN on May 09, 1999 at 03:09:57:

In Reply to: Foolishness posted by Mac1 on May 09, 1999 at 00:54:34:

Tim,
This forum is doing just fine.
I agree with you - people don't come here to learn
how to behave, but if they haven't learned how to
behave, they don't need to be here.

Todd
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Re: Ever wanted to take a picture standing proudly by your prized buck ? ..............with your pellet gun.

Msg. 110133  Posted by ToddN on May 09, 1999 at 02:52:48:

In Reply to: Ever wanted to take a picture standing proudly by your prized buck ? ..............with your pellet gun. posted by John N. on May 08, 1999 at 18:29:04:

Tackling a deer with a PELLET gun WOULD be irresponsible. That's
not even debatable as far as I'm concerned. A very powerful
PCP would be another story. A .40 or .50 calibre slug
traveling around a 1000fps would be plenty sufficient for
limited-range deer hunting.

Todd



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Thanks, John. See ya then, if not sooner. (NT)

Msg. 110132  Posted by James Pieper on May 09, 1999 at 02:47:51:

In Reply to: NUTS! That should be 4000 club certs. Sorry - nt posted by John Mickel on May 09, 1999 at 00:47:10:

NT
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Thanks, John. See ya then, if not sooner. (NT)

Msg. 110131  Posted by James Pieper on May 09, 1999 at 02:47:49:

In Reply to: NUTS! That should be 4000 club certs. Sorry - nt posted by John Mickel on May 09, 1999 at 00:47:10:

NT
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Re: COME ON EDITH

Msg. 110130  Posted by ToddN on May 09, 1999 at 02:39:09:

In Reply to: COME ON EDITH posted by Billy on May 09, 1999 at 01:18:19:

Billy,
You need to just let Edith use her own discretion and
relax. John's post isn't offensive. He hasn't done
anything - only asked a question- to which he's getting
plenty of healthy replies.

Todd
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Re: Ever wanted to take a picture standing proudly by your prized buck ? ..............with your pellet gun.

Msg. 110129  Posted by Andrew Leung on May 09, 1999 at 02:23:11:

In Reply to: Ever wanted to take a picture standing proudly by your prized buck ? ..............with your pellet gun. posted by John N. on May 08, 1999 at 18:29:04:

More deer are poached each year with a .22lr than with any other type of gun....

Heck, the Career technically has more energy than a bow and arrow.....

But if I were you, even if it is possible (and probable in some situation), I would look at you a WHOLE new different way than a person that I can respect as a decent hunter....

I have never met a GOOD hunter consider such a thought, Good hunters always make sure it will be shot CLEAN and QUICK....

A GOOD hunter also knows LIMITATIONS.....



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NRA wanting to give Canadians freedom

Msg. 110128  Posted by Whitewolf on May 09, 1999 at 01:31:41:

According to this afternoons radio news the American NRA is wanting to bring their organization north into Canada. Our Priminister is theatening to disolve the free trade agreement if this happens. IMHO come on in boys you'll have the western Canadian's support.

At any rate stuffed a .22 Eley Wasp up the butt of a crow in a pine tree this evening from about 15 ft right under him from a sterioed SSP 250. I can't figure out why it took so long for him to fall out of the tree. He only had half a head left??? He was about a 2 1/2lb bird???

Later Whitewolf


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Re: Anybody here ever shot a Quakenbush Brigand .375?

Msg. 110127  Posted by Garry L on May 09, 1999 at 01:20:27:

In Reply to: Anybody here ever shot a Quakenbush Brigand .375? posted by PAL on May 08, 1999 at 19:40:25:

Haven't shot one myself but have been standing beside one though and their LOUD,not a backyard gun for sure.I'm sorta interested in one of his Leigh Locks myself....maybe at the St.Louis meet.
Garry
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Re: FAC required for how many FPS in the US?

Msg. 110126  Posted by Whitewolf on May 09, 1999 at 01:19:00:

In Reply to: FAC required for how many FPS in the US? posted by Jeff on May 08, 1999 at 18:43:02:

Jeff our Fac laws are far from making sense, but as the law states Fac after it reaches 500 fps. This works in our favour for the bigger bore guns. My brother in-law wants me to put a .25 cal X 12in bull barrel upon his Mrk I. It'll be just under 500 fps but with more lbs of punch. What's next .375 ball? Why not. Way more punch and under 500 fps it's all legal without a Fac. We do have some small(real small) benifits to the application of the law.

Later Whitewolf
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COME ON EDITH

Msg. 110125  Posted by Billy on May 09, 1999 at 01:18:19:

In Reply to: Ever wanted to take a picture standing proudly by your prized buck ? ..............with your pellet gun. posted by John N. on May 08, 1999 at 18:29:04:

Where's your delete button now? If ever a post was offensive to others who hold the sport dear, this is it. I personally find it the most offensive post I've ever read. This is just the kind of fodder that anti-airgunners need. Many are working hard to legalize hunting of specified small game and posts such as this could seriously damage their eforts. Any comment?
Billy
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Re: Opinions on RWS Model 10 pistol....

Msg. 110124  Posted by jcbii on May 09, 1999 at 01:12:35:

In Reply to: Re: Opinions on RWS Model 10 pistol.... posted by trevor on May 09, 1999 at 00:34:33:

I have a Beeman 850 (RWS 6M), which I believe had that same problem. I took it in to Beeman and they replaced all necessary parts & tuned the gun. Shoots great again.
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Re: Scope gasket shims = 3M vinyl electrical tape thickness: (7, 8.5, 10 ) x mils

Msg. 110123  Posted by RBest on May 09, 1999 at 00:57:46:

In Reply to: Scope gasket shims = 3M vinyl electrical tape thickness: (7, 8.5, 10 ) x mils posted by vZc on May 09, 1999 at 00:44:36:

VZC: don't forget to mention you are using 26mm mounts as opposed to 1". Strips of newspaper also work, as does plastic shim stock- also available from McMaster Carr or MSC. It's also more stabile than electrical tape on warm days. Regards, Russ
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Foolishness

Msg. 110122  Posted by Mac1 on May 09, 1999 at 00:54:34:

In Reply to: Information without intimidation posted by The Airgun Letter on May 08, 1999 at 05:51:57:

Ld made fools look foolish. He made the clueless eat words. He took a literal stance on a public forum. He didn't agree with you and wouldn't act correctly according to Big E. He kept everyone honest around here and this place is the worse for his absense. I don't care what you think because you are not my customer. But the folks on this forum are and if you had a clue you would realize people love controversy ld style. He was almost always right. That is a fact you couldn't deal with because he wouldn't act the way you wanted him to. And, of course, that is why you banned him. Be honest. He made you look bad and he got the best of you in argumentville. He does that with most folks cause he is smart and great in debate. Just the facts. Specifically what post got him banned? None. It was his attitude and you couldn't deal with it so you booted him.
We are not here to learn how to act. Period.
But it is your Golden Goose. So strangle away. I'm tired of listening to your rationalizations. If your gonna take cheap shots at the man at least let him back on so he can defend himself. But that would be a public forum. Excuse me. Never mind. Happy erasing.

Tim

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Crosman 2240, anyone have one?

Msg. 110121  Posted by Bill on May 09, 1999 at 00:51:27:

I saw a new Crosman 2240 at Wal-mart today, looks like a pretty neet pistol for $50. I've never had a co2 though.

How many consistant shots could you expect to get out of one capsule?

Is it loud enough to annoy the neigbors?

and is it fairly accurate?


Thanks all!
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NUTS! That should be 4000 club certs. Sorry - nt

Msg. 110120  Posted by John Mickel on May 09, 1999 at 00:47:10:

In Reply to: James P. and Ron P. your BRV 400 Club Certs are in - posted by John Mickel on May 09, 1999 at 00:45:38:

nt
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James P. and Ron P. your BRV 400 Club Certs are in -

Msg. 110119  Posted by John Mickel on May 09, 1999 at 00:45:38:

I'll bring them to the next match. BTW, that will be a 4 target tournament, held on the pistol range. john
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Scope gasket shims = 3M vinyl electrical tape thickness: (7, 8.5, 10 ) x mils

Msg. 110118  Posted by vZc on May 09, 1999 at 00:44:36:

Use " Find " function with " electrical tape " as keywords.

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Re: Opinions on RWS Model 10 pistol....

Msg. 110117  Posted by trevor on May 09, 1999 at 00:34:33:

In Reply to: Re: Opinions on RWS Model 10 pistol.... posted by Charles on May 08, 1999 at 23:20:04:

A lot of these pistols seem to have been made in the early '80s. The piston head crystallises and seizes up in these older guns. Make sure you know someone who can service a 10 or 6 if you are buying 2nd hand.Otherwise, nice pistols.
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Re: Beeman Pellets

Msg. 110116  Posted by Rada on May 09, 1999 at 00:26:40:

In Reply to: Re: Beeman Pellets posted by john on May 08, 1999 at 21:52:12:

I would not throw away pellets because they group lousy in one airgun. I save them for the next model or my buddy can use them or you can trade. I have a .50 cal box full of pellets my rifles or pistols do not like but I always find something else to try them in.
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Yen is 120.6 yen to the dollar

Msg. 110115  Posted by Mac1 on May 09, 1999 at 00:24:13:

In Reply to: Approx. 50 fps LESS than one that flys out of an Ace Hunter at 10 pumps!!!... posted by DAS on May 07, 1999 at 21:10:34:

Dave,
Have you ever seen or chronoed a steroid?
What is your majic number that you can start pushing something you actually have?
Why do you hype sharps when you don't carry them anymore?
Do your customers regularly pump sharps up 10 times?
Obviously you have lots of time on your hands. Why don't you beef the sharps up so they don't fry the seals at 10 pumps?
There is no way the sharps are as rugged as my steroids but until you check one out you'll never know.

Later

Tim

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2289 fix

Msg. 110114  Posted by Mac1 on May 09, 1999 at 00:12:49:

In Reply to: Barrel possibilities for 2289 posted by Fearon Steele on May 07, 1999 at 20:30:03:

The guns coming from crosman now can be made significantly more accurate by reworking the chamber, crown, and the bolt probe. $25 well spent. Also you could fit the barrel from the 2260 and it would go faster and have longer sight radius. It is not going to be worth trying to fit custom barrels without also throwing away the breech and starting over with metal. This will definitely cost more than the original gun. An LD MKI started life as a $35 pistol and now fetches over $125 in stock trim. We regularly charge folks twice that to do all our tricks to it and they are glad to pay it cause it kicks butt on guns costing four times as much. A gun is worth what the guy is willing to spend on it as long as value is being added.

Later

Tim
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Re: FOI if over 700fps in Illinois?

Msg. 110113  Posted by RBest on May 09, 1999 at 00:11:01:

In Reply to: Re: FOI if over 700fps in Illinois? posted by W. Edwards on May 08, 1999 at 23:25:55:

WE: while it would make more sense to use fpe as a standard, I have yet to see lawmakers pass gun control laws that make ANY sense. It seems they do little homework and listen to the so called "enblightened" sources. They pass laws in order to control something they do not understand just to keep mis informed voters on their side. JMO, Russ
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Re: Canadian .25 cal grief !!!

Msg. 110112  Posted by Jeff on May 09, 1999 at 00:05:00:

In Reply to: Re: Canadian .25 cal grief !!! posted by W. Edwards on May 08, 1999 at 19:43:19:

This cashier was fast, had the key with him, was done with the paper work in a flash and just handed me the locked bag. They are suppose to take you to the register even if it is in a bag, they always have before.
And yes some cashiers I've had don't do the paper work, they just walk me to the register and that's it. Sometimes I don't even have to show ID, although your suppose to. I think it's just laziness on the cashiers part.
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Re: Ontario nt

Msg. 110111  Posted by Jeff on May 08, 1999 at 23:59:33:

In Reply to: Re: FAC required for how many FPS in the US? posted by LOU V.K. on May 08, 1999 at 19:08:06:


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Re: You think that sucks!!??

Msg. 110109  Posted by Jeff on May 08, 1999 at 23:57:54:

In Reply to: Re: FAC required for how many FPS in the US? posted by C. Brown on May 08, 1999 at 20:50:35:

Try having to get an FAC (firearms acqustion certificate)which you have to pay to get AND take a course then having to have your airgun under lock and key or a trigger lock. Then having to register it. Just for pellet gun that shoots 500fps.
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Warranty

Msg. 110108  Posted by Mac1 on May 08, 1999 at 23:57:44:

In Reply to: 392 Steroid Problems, Won't Hold a Pump amp; Now Can't Open Bolt posted by MartinL on May 08, 1999 at 22:18:05:

When you have a problem take the stock off and send it to me to correct the problem. I stand behind everything I sell and modify. The failure of the system to cock is likely the culprit as it must be cocked B4 you pump or it won't take air. I would prefer to be the one to correct the proble rather than have a customer tear into it. If you decide you must get inside of it I can't be held responsible for the gun. I don't like anybody asking for warranty when they have messed with it. Second man in is not my favorite thing. Let me handle it. the only possible thing you could do to correct it is remove the wood and manually pull hammer back through slot. On the C9's the hammer can get past the bolt lug and cause the problem your having. It is most likely when the gun is fired with No air in it that can cause this problem.
We all make mistakes on occasion. Yours will be if you decide to try to fix the problem yourself. I'd prefer you keep stuff like this private as it has nothing to do with the forum other than the fact that you'de like all to know your not happy.
I'd like to take this opportunity to advise all Steroid customers that if they have any problems with leakage or seepage with there guns I will take care of the problem. The product has been evolving as I gain experience doing them and anybody's gun that comes in for servive or warranty always gets upgraded to current specs. The reliability of my customs is something I'm very concerned about and if a problem surfaces I want to know about it so I can correct it. Even if it is out of warranty I will always take care of it for free if it involves a failed component that we feel should not have failed. You paid for the good stuff and I will back it. End of story.
Later

Tim
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Pellet tins, hmmm...sounds like something you could add to Martin's " fun targets " list. :) (nt)

Msg. 110107  Posted by ToddN on May 08, 1999 at 23:54:49:

In Reply to: I collect empty pellet tins posted by Dean Roxby on May 08, 1999 at 21:23:07:

gf
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Re: Tootsie Roll handle

Msg. 110106  Posted by MikeD on May 08, 1999 at 23:50:42:

In Reply to: Tootsie Roll handle` posted by Kieth on May 08, 1999 at 16:51:10:


I'm not sure the 347 will fit in a 397 stock. However, late 347's had a much heftier stock with a wide square pump handle.

Cheapest way out might be to just buy one of these used, or maybe you'll get lucky and find somebody who wants to trade for the cool-looking older stock.
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Re: Opinions on RWS Model 10 pistol....

Msg. 110105  Posted by MikeD on May 08, 1999 at 23:45:22:

In Reply to: Opinions on RWS Model 10 pistol.... posted by Tim A. on May 08, 1999 at 23:09:50:


A fascinating gun! I always thought of it as the airgun equivalent of the Porsche 911--a basically bad idea (Rear-engined sports car? Break-barrel match gun??!!) developed to near perfection. Surely the classic German barrel-cocking spring air pistol will never be developed to a higher state.

The gun is extremely accurate, extremely recoilless, has a fine turn of power for a match gun, and has a great and highly adjustable trigger and excellent sights. The factory accessories included a nice case, a couple of tools, muzzle weight, and scope ramp.

On the down side, the quirky grips never quite worked for my smallish hands, and it is not only heavy but strangely balanced. The long double-piston receiver puts all that heft in the middle of the gun, not on the muzzle. You fix this by using the supplied muzzle weight, which makes the thing so heavy it will barely pass the weight check at a match.

My gun got the following velocities (15-shot strings through a Chrony, std. dev. shown as percentage of avg. vel.):

RWS Meisterkugeln (blue tin), 7.85 gr, 430 fps, 1.05% sd

Eley Wasp (old light pattern), 7.21 gr, 469 fps, 1.45% sd

Eley Match (made by H&N), 8.32 gr, 421 fps, 0.98% sd

RWS Meisterkugeln (yellow tin), 8.38 gr, 422 fps, 0.69% sd

Mauser Wettkampkugeln (cheapie-grade H&N), 7.49 gr, 460 fps, 1.36% sd

I would not recommend the 10 as a match gun unless it just happens to work for you. But for a righteous price it is a great collector or all-round use gun.
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Re: i will pay alot for full auto bb gun

Msg. 110104  Posted by Patrick O'Connell on May 08, 1999 at 23:44:48:

In Reply to: i will pay alot for full auto bb gun posted by rich on May 06, 1999 at 13:44:26:

You can get Some real good guns almost any you want for about $500 to $1000 at
http://www.747imports.com


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Re: FOI if over 700fps in Illinois?

Msg. 110103  Posted by W. Edwards on May 08, 1999 at 23:25:55:

In Reply to: Re: FAC required for how many FPS in the US? posted by C. Brown on May 08, 1999 at 20:50:35:

Any idea how the 700fps was chosen as the limit?
If you have to have a limit it would seem that basing
it on fpe makes a lot more sense.
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Re: Opinions on RWS Model 10 pistol....

Msg. 110102  Posted by Charles on May 08, 1999 at 23:20:04:

In Reply to: Opinions on RWS Model 10 pistol.... posted by Tim A. on May 08, 1999 at 23:09:50:

Pro: Very adjustable trigger, nice grip and sights
Con: BIG, hard to cock, not totally vibration
free (though better than a stock FWB 65), low
velocity compared to PCP or CO2 10m air pistols,
original pistol seal self destructs and requires
replacement ($73.25 from RWS last I checked).
For a nice current 10m pistol at low cost I usually
recommend the IZH-46 or the TAU-7 (both about $250).
Charles
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Opinions on RWS Model 10 pistol....

Msg. 110101  Posted by Tim A. on May 08, 1999 at 23:09:50:

I am just looking for general opinions on RWS model
10 pistol. Such as FPS accuracy fun to shoot and so on.
Thanks Tim A.
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Re: Gamo Delta

Msg. 110100  Posted by Vlad B. on May 08, 1999 at 23:05:20:

In Reply to: Gamo Delta posted by Joseph Goodwin on May 08, 1999 at 20:08:14:

Gamo Delta is a very basic rifle. I don't have the specs for it, but you can check them at www.gamo.com.
Also, I have a Gamo 2000 that is a much superior rifle with a 2.5x20 scope in excellent condition which
I will sell for $130 + shipping or for $140 with 100 Gamo targets and 1000 Gamo Match pellets. You can check
my ad at www.airguns.null under classifieds. If you are interested please contact me at vlad@null.null
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Re:Yeah, I shoot it so much, I just shot my R9 today for the first time since before LR . NT

Msg. 110099  Posted by PAL on May 08, 1999 at 22:49:58:

In Reply to: Re:PAL, You're getting good use of the 250 huh? NT posted by Sligh on May 08, 1999 at 21:42:25:

nt
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Re: Think I'll fergit crows and stick to squirrels amp; starlings.

Msg. 110098  Posted by James Pieper on May 08, 1999 at 22:46:25:

In Reply to: Re: Think I'll fergit crows and stick to squirrels amp; starlings. posted by ERIC on May 08, 1999 at 14:48:37:

Interesting read, though! And certainly would have been fun to watch as well! :-)
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Re: Need help!!!!

Msg. 110097  Posted by Alex/Wi on May 08, 1999 at 22:35:54:

In Reply to: Need help!!!! posted by jj on May 08, 1999 at 21:34:52:

JJ,

If you check back on Delphi, you'll see that Dave Matticks has offered to help. If you're not aware of his abilities, just check around. I've seen some "stuff" he's made and it belongs in a world of it's own. He a good man and if anybody can help you out on a one-of-a-kind he can.
HTH,
Alex/Wi
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Re: FAC required for how many FPS in the US?

Msg. 110096  Posted by James Pieper on May 08, 1999 at 22:24:28:

In Reply to: Re: FAC required for how many FPS in the US? posted by C. Brown on May 08, 1999 at 20:50:35:

Yes, Curt, it sure as heck does! Makes me wanna--at the very least--do some serious name calling! Thank God, Washington State is considerably more enlightened--and we're fighting tooth and nail to keep it that way,too!
Do miss Peoria, though; gotta say it. Born and raised there; most of my side of the family's still there. But Olympia, WA is Heaven on Earth for me now! Best Regards, Curt. Peoria Boy
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392 Steroid Problems, Won't Hold a Pump amp; Now Can't Open Bolt

Msg. 110095  Posted by MartinL on May 08, 1999 at 22:18:05:

I have a Steroid 3 mos. old that just all of a sudden won't hold a single stroke. All the air just "whooshes" throught the barrel. I put it away the first night it happened and the next time I tried the gun for hope of a magic cure I found the bolt would not open! Strange as hell. Any ideas? I sent Tim mail from my work e-mail and haven't gotten his answer yet, maybe it was sent to the work address. I actually didn't have the bolt problem at that time. Thanks..ml
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I thought I'd heard of this before. Thanks CB. NT

Msg. 110094  Posted by RBest on May 08, 1999 at 22:07:18:

In Reply to: Re:FOI ca IN ILLINOIS, ( sorry ) posted by C. Brown on May 08, 1999 at 21:04:43:

nt
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Re: Beeman SLR-98 or BSA Goldstar

Msg. 110093  Posted by RBest on May 08, 1999 at 22:05:14:

In Reply to: Beeman SLR-98 or BSA Goldstar posted by BW37 on May 08, 1999 at 20:46:16:

BW: I "Think" the SLR98 specs in the Beeman catalog are 3 ft/lbs higher than actuality. Theoben has said the guns don't leave the UK at the levels that appear in that catalog. Russ
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Re: Beeman Pellets

Msg. 110092  Posted by john on May 08, 1999 at 21:52:12:

In Reply to: Beeman Pellets posted by Tony on May 08, 1999 at 17:33:13:

I had some beeman crow mag pellets in .22.
They fit way to tight in my rifle and grouped terrible, I threw them away.

Been using gamo pointed lately with good results. Pellets from RWS and crossman
preimers are all fine quality.

Don't like to pay for Beeman hype.

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Re:PAL, You're getting good use of the 250 huh? NT

Msg. 110091  Posted by Sligh on May 08, 1999 at 21:42:25:

In Reply to: SSP250 notches first rat today posted by PAL on May 08, 1999 at 19:33:17:

nt
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Re: Sizes of Crow species

Msg. 110090  Posted by E Fudd on May 08, 1999 at 21:41:17:

In Reply to: Sizes of Crow species posted by R Best on May 08, 1999 at 12:25:29:

While I was in Japan I noticed the crows there were much bigger than those here in the pacific northwest. I was probably the only person in Tokyo pondering how I could hunt crows in Olympic Park with a slingshot without getting caught.
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Need help!!!!

Msg. 110086  Posted by jj on May 08, 1999 at 21:34:52:

Anyone know where I can get a high pressure tube made???
This tube is to be about 3 to 3.5 inches long and made to fit between the gun and Reservoir on a FWB P70. Must have both the male and female treads. Attachs to the gun(male) and female end attaches to the Reservoir. Female end should have a check valve that would allow air into the tube but not out to maintain pressure in the tube. Tube-setup should be able to hold/withstand 3000 psi. Male end only need a hole to let air out. Hopefully light in weight.

Should also be in the $100 dollar range.



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It can do the job, but is very cruel.

Msg. 110085  Posted by E Fudd on May 08, 1999 at 21:29:23:

In Reply to: Re: Ever wanted to take a picture standing proudly by your prized buck ? ..............with your pellet gun. posted by ERIC on May 08, 1999 at 19:05:16:

I have seen a 140 lb. Blacktail deer taken with a headshot from a .22 CB cap. A Career has about twice the k.nullic energy, so I know it can be done. Before you run out to do it though remember the post from the guy who shot the raccoon with his BSA a week or so ago. You will feel like the worlds biggest asshole if you wound a deer and then watch it run off to die because you didn't use enough gun just to make a point.
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I collect empty pellet tins

Msg. 110084  Posted by Dean Roxby on May 08, 1999 at 21:23:07:

I collect empty pellet tins/boxes. Do you want to trade? Do you want to get rid of unwanted empties? What can I send you in return? Shipping costs obviously, plus maybe Canadian hunting/shooting magazines, Can./worldwide postage stamps etc. etc. Reply to Dean Roxby at croxby@null.null
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Re: FAC required for how many FPS in the US?

Msg. 110083  Posted by chuck bridgeland on May 08, 1999 at 21:15:45:

In Reply to: Re: FAC required for how many FPS in the US? posted by RBest on May 08, 1999 at 19:01:27:

>doesn't Illinois have some law about 700 fps?

None that I've ever heard of.

cb, ill-i-noise resident

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Re:FOI ca IN ILLINOIS, ( sorry )

Msg. 110082  Posted by C. Brown on May 08, 1999 at 21:04:43:

In Reply to: Re:FOI card ( firearms ) required, over .177 cal. AND over 700 fps. ( any cal ) posted by C. Brown on May 08, 1999 at 21:00:57:


Been away fishin' too long, forgot how to work this thing! Thanks for reading this far.....................cb
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Re: Canadian Cosman 2289. Power Upgrade

Msg. 110081  Posted by Fearon Steele on May 08, 1999 at 21:01:10:

In Reply to: Canadian Cosman 2289. Power Upgrade posted by Rick on May 08, 1999 at 18:15:40:

That would be I that posted how to make the Canadian 2289 more powerful. I don't have a chrono to measure exactly how much power was gained but I can tell you that you will notice the difference. If you have any other questions feel free to E Mail me. fearonsteele@null.null
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Re:FOI card ( firearms ) required, over .177 cal. AND over 700 fps. ( any cal )

Msg. 110080  Posted by C. Brown on May 08, 1999 at 21:00:57:

In Reply to: Re:FOI card ( firearms ) required, over .177 cal. AND over 700 fps. ( any cal ) posted by C. Brown on May 08, 1999 at 20:56:03:


Got so worked up I forgot where the hell I was, Oh brother, the law.............cb Do not know of any other states with this restriction, maybe N. J. or N.Y.C.. Anybody?
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Re: Daisy VL rifle- cause for misfiring?

Msg. 110079  Posted by Alan on May 08, 1999 at 20:59:00:

In Reply to: Re: Daisy VL rifle- cause for misfiring? posted by LOU V.K. on May 08, 1999 at 19:58:01:

$25 dollars, 1 VL rifle, 1 1894 Daisy, 1 box VL ammo. Just asked at yard sale--MOST of my finds have been by asking. Like the time I looked at a table of 'useless stuff' and asked if he had any bb guns to sell. I ALWAYS ask by saying "BB guns
" as this seems to alarm folks much less than asking "do you have any guns". Any way, he looked up at the sky and rubbed his chin and said if I would watch his stuff(junk)he would be right back. He came back with 5 guns: a Crosman first year 140 with the manual valve reset button, a Sears octagon barrel 1894, two wood stocked CSM 760s, and a regular 1894 Daisy. $10 for all. Sometimes it's worth stopping at yard sales! Alan
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Re: Ever wanted to take a picture standing proudly by your prized buck ? ..............with your pellet gun.

Msg. 110078  Posted by Ron B on May 08, 1999 at 20:56:06:

In Reply to: Re: Ever wanted to take a picture standing proudly by your prized buck ? ..............with your pellet gun. posted by ERIC on May 08, 1999 at 19:05:16:

ERIC,

I have shot many deer with a .22 Ho.null. Only one even took a step. Of the 50+ deer I have taken in legal deer season, I can count on my nose those that ran off.

The secret is bullet placement. After forty some odd deer, I was asked by a game warden and others how far my 'average' shot was I had one shot at ~400 yards, one at 267 yards and the rest were closer. The average was 67 yards.

All but four were shot in the neck or head. If I were in the 'field', with a powerful air rifle and could get the right shot, I might take it. But, I doubt I would be hunting deer as my primary quary when it would happen.

Even if I had a 'big bore' and the deer were close, I would have to be sure it would be a terminal shot. I do not like tracking wounded animals.

Ron

As for the picture - not a chance. Lest it be used as evidence in a court of law.
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Re:FOI card ( firearms ) required, over .177 cal. AND over 700 fps. ( any cal )

Msg. 110077  Posted by C. Brown on May 08, 1999 at 20:56:03:

In Reply to: FAC required for how many FPS in the US? posted by Jeff on May 08, 1999 at 18:43:02:


Explained below, Thanks.................cb
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Re: FAC required for how many FPS in the US?

Msg. 110076  Posted by C. Brown on May 08, 1999 at 20:50:35:

In Reply to: Re: FAC required for how many FPS in the US? posted by LOU V.K. on May 08, 1999 at 19:06:09:


Lou, I have talked to many cops, and gun dealers in Illinois and they all tell me that any airgun over .177 cal. AND any airgun that shoots a projectle over 700 fps, is classed as a firearm, as far as you are required to have a FOI card. AN Illinois Firearms Owners Identification card, issued by the state after a thorough questionair is filled out, and a background check, and a call to the Il State Police, now-a-days. You have to have the card to buy firearms and ammunition in Ill. And now, for the last 3 or 4 years, for the airguns I mentioned. Sucks don't it!...........cb
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Re: Sizes of Crow species

Msg. 110075  Posted by Mark on May 08, 1999 at 20:49:55:

In Reply to: Re: Sizes of Crow species posted by RBest on May 08, 1999 at 13:05:17:

Hi Russ

I have only shoot one Crow. With my BSA SS in 22 cal. It was a yungster and have about a 20" wingspan I think I never measured. I was just in the right place at the right time. I was SQ hunting.

PS thanks for the 20 cal R9 amo recommendation.
I will try them all

Mark
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Beeman SLR-98 or BSA Goldstar

Msg. 110074  Posted by BW37 on May 08, 1999 at 20:46:16:

I'm looking at both. Underlevers, multi-shot, same
amount of power (per specs) and about the same weight.
Any feedback would be appreciated.
Thanks
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Re: Good shoot'n

Msg. 110073  Posted by CJ on May 08, 1999 at 20:15:45:

In Reply to: SSP250 notches first rat today posted by PAL on May 08, 1999 at 19:33:17:

Guess they'll be changing their alarm clock again.

CJ
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Gamo Delta

Msg. 110072  Posted by Joseph Goodwin on May 08, 1999 at 20:08:14:

Does anyone have any experience with the Gamo Delta? I'm looking for a sub-$100 air rifle for informal target shooting and plinking. How is the trigger? Is it accurate? Do the sights function well? What kind of ammo does it prefer?

Thanks!

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Re: Daisy VL rifle- cause for misfiring?

Msg. 110071  Posted by LOU V.K. on May 08, 1999 at 19:58:01:

In Reply to: Daisy VL rifle- cause for misfiring? posted by Alan on May 08, 1999 at 15:11:05:

Don't be overly alarmed Alan. I have currently,two VL's,and,have owned several others since they were first introduced to the market. Their reliability has always ben a problem,along with their rotten accuracy performance. I think that you picked a poor lot of ammo,to get a 40% failure rate,but,don't ever expect a 100% firing success,as it has yet to happen. I think that if you reseal the rifle,and recheck,you *might* find a better success ratio,but,not by much. Why do you suppose that the buying public forced Daisey to drop that clunker? If you have the wooden stock model,it is somewhat collectible. I hope that you didn't mortgage your wife,or children to be able to buy that thing.
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Re: Canadian .25 cal grief !!!

Msg. 110070  Posted by W. Edwards on May 08, 1999 at 19:43:19:

In Reply to: Re: Canadian .25 cal grief !!! posted by Jeff on May 08, 1999 at 18:37:23:

What do you mean by "It is not true."?

If you mean some clerks are faster than others or some
clerks don't comply with the regulations then I would
be happy to agree with you.
My estimate of time was based on the time it took the
clerk to get the key for the locked cab.null, take out the
package of BB's, close and lock the cab.null, return the
key, look at my photo ID, write down the information from my ID
and the package and then carry the package to the cashier.
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Thanks Greg! (NT)

Msg. 110069  Posted by Jules on May 08, 1999 at 19:40:56:

In Reply to: Re: Ballistics Eval Software? posted by Greg Fischer on May 08, 1999 at 14:45:09:



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Anybody here ever shot a Quakenbush Brigand .375?

Msg. 110068  Posted by PAL on May 08, 1999 at 19:40:25:

How loud is it when using CO2 as compared to other CO2 guns?

damn I should of talked to him at Little Rock, but I didn't know I couldn't live without one until today!

Paul

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Re: Think I'll fergit crows and stick to squirrels amp; starlings.

Msg. 110067  Posted by Newk on May 08, 1999 at 19:39:07:

In Reply to: Think I'll fergit crows and stick to squirrels amp; starlings. posted by wved on May 08, 1999 at 10:54:32:

I too have found that sneaking up on a crow is like climbing a greased flagpole.

My best result came from throwing some old bread out in the garden, leaving the sliding door open a bit and wait for the crows to drop in. I take the blighters out by sitting on the dining room floor and shooting out the door. I also stay back away from the door so as not to shy the beasties away.

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Re: My web page has changed....any tips????????????????

Msg. 110066  Posted by jhw on May 08, 1999 at 19:34:30:

In Reply to: My web page has changed....any tips???????????????? posted by Leighton Hood From New Zealand on May 07, 1999 at 21:52:00:

Just some comments from a long-time web surfer. You
should condider lightening up on the graphics. I
am one of the 'impatient' people. It took too long
to come up, in my opinion...
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SSP250 notches first rat today

Msg. 110065  Posted by PAL on May 08, 1999 at 19:33:17:

The Mac1 built SSP250 I bought at Little Rock scored its first rat today. The first kill in my hands anyway.

I haven't seen any rats lately and wondered if they figured out when I was shooting them and went to a new schedule or if they had moved out for the summer. Well I was up at 6:30 this morning working on the computer and sure enough there's a rat under the birdfeeder munching away.

He was facing me less than 10 yards away when I hit him. It knocked him up and over like a back flip. cool.

Paul

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Re: Sizes of Crow species

Msg. 110064  Posted by Newk on May 08, 1999 at 19:33:00:

In Reply to: Sizes of Crow species posted by R Best on May 08, 1999 at 12:25:29:

In the Pacific NW, we have both a common crow and ravens. The crows are smaller, about a 20 - 24 inch span and seem to hang out more often in populated areas.

Ravens tend to avoid the populated areas, I've seen them most often whe flyfishing in the Cascades. Their wingspans can exceed 30 inches and they do not make the same noie as crows.



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and completly inhumane.... (nt)

Msg. 110063  Posted by jhw on May 08, 1999 at 19:22:14:

In Reply to: John: I wouldn't even consider a .22 lr for deer... posted by RBest on May 08, 1999 at 18:59:31:



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Re: Ever wanted to take a picture standing proudly by your prized buck ? ..............with your pellet gun.

Msg. 110061  Posted by John N on May 08, 1999 at 19:21:28:

In Reply to: Re: Ever wanted to take a picture standing proudly by your prized buck ? ..............with your pellet gun. posted by ERIC on May 08, 1999 at 19:05:16:

Thanks Eric, that's basically what I'm looking for is and opinion. I'm kind of and accuracy nut and if I knew I had a good chance of doing it I would try. But I like you dont like to see animals suffer from missed shots. May be to my best interest to refrain from the whole idea.
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TX 200 Mk 4, Bamp;L 5-15X50 and Nygord pellets

Msg. 110060  Posted by GF on May 08, 1999 at 19:21:18:

In Reply to: New TX on the way! Thanks posted by JMartin on May 06, 1999 at 21:11:09:

I ordered a TX 200 Mk 4 from JM. Got the MAX MT mounts, which I had to shim. Then purchased a B&L 5-15X50 from Natchez for ($229.00 at that time). B&L does not balk at putting this scope on an airgun.
The B&L 5-15X50 is a monster. Over 25 inches long with the eycup. It has a 4+ inch sunshade. The TX is side ported so the scope does not interfer. The only problem (slight at that) is the finger turrets are just not as big as I would like.
I shoot Nygord wad cutter pellets at everything and out of either the TX200 Mk4 or the FWB 300 S Match. I don't think you can find a more accurate pellet anywhere near the price ($7.90 a tin). They have excellent impact. I have killed a several squirres including one at 51 yds (measured) and plenty pigeons and starlings with this pellet. They are as good as any hollowpoint as far as game impact and they cut a target crisply.
I don't shoot Field Target but if I did I would use CPs for that. But they are not any more accurate than the Nygord in either of my rifles at any range.
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No nt

Msg. 110059  Posted by Tyler Hathaway on May 08, 1999 at 19:08:16:

In Reply to: Ever wanted to take a picture standing proudly by your prized buck ? ..............with your pellet gun. posted by John N. on May 08, 1999 at 18:29:04:

nt
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Re: FAC required for how many FPS in the US?

Msg. 110058  Posted by LOU V.K. on May 08, 1999 at 19:08:06:

In Reply to: Re: FAC required for how many FPS in the US? posted by Jeff on May 08, 1999 at 18:57:02:


Where is "here"?
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NO PERMIT REQUIRED! no matter how much fps. GOD BLESS AMERICA!! NT

Msg. 110057  Posted by ERIC on May 08, 1999 at 19:06:52:

In Reply to: FAC required for how many FPS in the US? posted by Jeff on May 08, 1999 at 18:43:02:

nt
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Re: FAC required for how many FPS in the US?

Msg. 110056  Posted by LOU V.K. on May 08, 1999 at 19:06:09:

In Reply to: Re: FAC required for how many FPS in the US? posted by RBest on May 08, 1999 at 19:01:27:


Yup,you had a brain cramp. No velocity limit in Ill..
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Re: Ever wanted to take a picture standing proudly by your prized buck ? ..............with your pellet gun.

Msg. 110055  Posted by ERIC on May 08, 1999 at 19:05:16:

In Reply to: Ever wanted to take a picture standing proudly by your prized buck ? ..............with your pellet gun. posted by John N. on May 08, 1999 at 18:29:04:

Now, a pellet gun is one thing, a firearm is quite another. No matter how powerful your career is, it won't take down a deer. I don't care if it can do 100 foot- pounds, it won't do the job. I know, people used to have these huge multi-pumps that they used to hunt all kinds of big animals with but your airgun won't do it. Say your career does do 100 ( don't really) fpe, it still won't take out a deer. I've seen people hit them 30-06's ( well over 1000 foot pounds of energy, and the bullets wheigh up to 100 grains) and the deer run off
and live through it. If you really want a picture of yourself and your pellet gun standing next to a trophy sized buck, buy a real gun (recommend the .270)and shoot one. Then pick up your pellet gun and take a picture of it next to the deer. Shooting big game is completely different than hunting those starlings and sparrows you're used too. You hit a bird decently and it falls over dead. Not so with deer. I've never seen a deer get shot and just fall over. they always manage to run hundreds of yards then die in some small, hard to find space.
with airguns, stick to small stuff, okay?

ERIC
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Incorect information on models

Msg. 110054  Posted by GF on May 08, 1999 at 19:03:36:

In Reply to: Re: TX200 Price posted by Rada on May 07, 1999 at 23:12:05:

I refer her only ot US versions. The TX200 Mk 5 is the latest from Air Arms. The TX200 Mk 4 is specific to JM. The Mk 5 is sold by several different dealers. Mk 3 is an older (certainly acceptable) version. For a much better description of the various versions go to Paul Watts web site.
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Re: FAC required for how many FPS in the US?

Msg. 110053  Posted by RBest on May 08, 1999 at 19:01:27:

In Reply to: Re: FAC required for how many FPS in the US? posted by LOU V.K. on May 08, 1999 at 18:45:43:

Lou: doesn't Illinois have some law about 700 fps? Maybe I'm just having a brain cramp. Russ
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John: I wouldn't even consider a .22 lr for deer...

Msg. 110052  Posted by RBest on May 08, 1999 at 18:59:31:

In Reply to: Re: Ever wanted to take a picture standing proudly by your prized buck ? ..............with your pellet gun. posted by John N on May 08, 1999 at 18:45:27:

unless I was starving to death. I don't find the thought offensive, but it is far from humane. Russ
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Re: FAC required for how many FPS in the US?

Msg. 110051  Posted by Jeff on May 08, 1999 at 18:57:02:

In Reply to: Re: FAC required for how many FPS in the US? posted by LOU V.K. on May 08, 1999 at 18:45:43:

No way!
If I own any pellet gun here that's over 500fps it's considered a firearm and could get in serious trouble if caught firing it in my backyard or without a tigger lock and it needs to be registered.
I would like something faster than 500fps but it's a little more complex than just running up to the store and buying it.
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Re: FAC required for how many FPS in the US?

Msg. 110050  Posted by LOU V.K. on May 08, 1999 at 18:45:43:

In Reply to: FAC required for how many FPS in the US? posted by Jeff on May 08, 1999 at 18:43:02:

Thankfully,there is no power limit,nor FAC here in the States.
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Re: Ever wanted to take a picture standing proudly by your prized buck ? ..............with your pellet gun.

Msg. 110049  Posted by John N on May 08, 1999 at 18:45:27:

In Reply to: Re: Ever wanted to take a picture standing proudly by your prized buck ? ..............with your pellet gun. posted by RBest on May 08, 1999 at 18:36:51:

I knew if I put this in here I might offend someone and I'm sorry if I do. Now wasnt it you who told me you had put down many dear with .22s and if it wasnt my deepest apologies.
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Re: i will pay alot for full auto bb gun

Msg. 110048  Posted by The Airgun Letter on May 08, 1999 at 18:43:30:

In Reply to: i will pay alot for full auto bb gun posted by rich on May 06, 1999 at 13:44:26:

Contact Paul Piper, the designer/maker of the mini-BB gun shown in "Airgun Revue #4" and demonstrated at the Little Rock Airgun Expo. The one at the show can be bought for $10,000. Or you can order one just like it for $3,500 - but you'd have to wait for it to be built by Paul. The reason the one at the show is so expensive is because it's his only prototype - but it IS available even as we speak. Contact Paul at:

Paul Piper
Box 95
Lamposa, TX 76550

Edith Gaylord
The Airgun Letter
staff@null.null
http://www.airgunletter.null
http://www.airgunletter.com

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FAC required for how many FPS in the US?

Msg. 110047  Posted by Jeff on May 08, 1999 at 18:43:02:

I know in Canada you need an FAC for anything that shoots over 500 fps, what about in the US?
Do you have a similar set power before you need some kind of permit??
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Re: Ever wanted to take a picture standing proudly by your prized buck ? ..............with your pellet gun.

Msg. 110046  Posted by DEER HUNTER on May 08, 1999 at 18:38:53:

In Reply to: Ever wanted to take a picture standing proudly by your prized buck ? ..............with your pellet gun. posted by John N. on May 08, 1999 at 18:29:04:

hAVE SHOT A DEER THRU THE EYE BALL AND THRU THE BRAIN
WITH .22 R1
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Re: Canadian .25 cal grief !!!

Msg. 110045  Posted by Jeff on May 08, 1999 at 18:37:23:

In Reply to: Re: Canadian .25 cal grief !!! posted by Ron B on May 08, 1999 at 15:17:22:

Not True. I live in Ontario and just bought a tin of pellets today. I did have to show photo ID, right beside the cab.null the employee had to mark down a few things, put the pellets in a locked bag and then hand them to me. Took him all of about 2 mins. Last week when I bought 2 tins of pellets I don't even think the clerk did it.
The price of pellets has gone up in the last few years. 500 pellets sell for $7 now. The clerk probably make close to $8 an hour so there is no problem making money off of them, especially when they sell like crazy which around here they do.

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Re: Ever wanted to take a picture standing proudly by your prized buck ? ..............with your pellet gun.

Msg. 110044  Posted by RBest on May 08, 1999 at 18:36:51:

In Reply to: Ever wanted to take a picture standing proudly by your prized buck ? ..............with your pellet gun. posted by John N. on May 08, 1999 at 18:29:04:

John: I've watched bucks take a good hit from a 20 ga. slug, and keep going. Trying it with a pellet gun is ( to me at least) rather irresponsible. Fantasy is one thing, reality another. Regards, Russ
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European Air Pistols (Rada Plesinger): new Air Arms importer

Msg. 110043  Posted by The Airgun Letter on May 08, 1999 at 18:33:10:

In Reply to: Re: TX200 Price posted by RBest on May 07, 1999 at 23:26:32:

You wrote:
BTW, I hear you may be or are selling TX's now. Is this correct?
===============
As stated in the May issue of our newsletter, European Air Pistols (Rada Plesinger) is now an importer of Air Arms guns. They'll have a dealer.nullwork, just as they do for the Czech airguns; and in the future, they'll offer state-side factory-authorized service for Air Arms guns.

Edith Gaylord
The Airgun Letter
staff@null.null
http://www.airgunletter.null
http://www.airgunletter.com

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Re: What is every one's favorite power-pl.null ? reasons ? nt I like Mars Willy.

Msg. 110042  Posted by willy on May 08, 1999 at 18:30:22:

In Reply to: What is every one's favorite power-pl.null ? reasons ? nt posted by Axel on May 08, 1999 at 06:54:17:

?
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Ever wanted to take a picture standing proudly by your prized buck ? ..............with your pellet gun.

Msg. 110041  Posted by John N. on May 08, 1999 at 18:29:04:

OK, finally received my Career "pellet gun" :O), and was wondering if it was at all possible to strategically place a 30 grain, .22 pellet, at 25 yards or so, at 850 fps some place on a dear so I could mount his head on my wall. I know if you tell anyone you know you, that you shot a prized 10 point buck with a pellet gun.... they'd think you were crazy. But I do think its possible. Anyway, I know there are those of you who have tried, and was hoping for some pointers. I realize 850 fps may not be enough and I could get it up to nearly 1000 fps. Let me know if you've attempted and what you used. And of course, what you shot.
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Re: Can I use a dot sight on my rws 45?Yes if you only have one eye .Willy.

Msg. 110040  Posted by willy on May 08, 1999 at 18:24:28:

In Reply to: Can I use a dot sight on my rws 45? posted by paul on May 08, 1999 at 10:00:00:

?
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Re: Sizes of Crow speciesRuss the Raven has a bigger bick and bod and not as cute as aCrow Willy.

Msg. 110039  Posted by Willy on May 08, 1999 at 18:18:58:

In Reply to: Sizes of Crow species posted by R Best on May 08, 1999 at 12:25:29:

Meonatta/?
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Re: Raining at the DIFTA match today??

Msg. 110038  Posted by The Airgun Letter on May 08, 1999 at 18:15:56:

In Reply to: Raining at the DIFTA today?? posted by RussBest on May 08, 1999 at 12:22:24:

The match went off without a hitch. While the weather was sort of iffy this a.m., it cleared up beautifully about half-way through the match.

Ray Apelles got the highest score for the day with his free-floated Career 707.

I took a lot of photos, including some pictures of Dave Shames giving on-the-fly lessons on how to shoot a match offhand only. Your buddy Bill Butler decided that he wouldn't mind learning how to do this from an expert (which I would say Dave is!) and asked to be teamed with Dave. Bill took home third place in the offhand shooting class.

Tom will probably write up the match report this week, and we'll post it (along with pictures) towards the end of the week. I'll also announce it here when I do.

Edith Gaylord
The Airgun Letter
staff@null.null
http://www.airgunletter.null
http://www.airgunletter.com

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Canadian Cosman 2289. Power Upgrade

Msg. 110037  Posted by Rick on May 08, 1999 at 18:15:40:

I was reading the message about making the 2289 more powerful. My friend has one that I can buy for about $50. He doesn't have time for it anymore and wants to sell it.
Now, I take the barrel and the O-ring off and remove the small disc, then put everything back together? How much more of a punch does this little mod give?
How many pumps give full power??
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Re: What is every one's favorite power-pl.null ? reasons ? nt

Msg. 110036  Posted by The Airgun Letter on May 08, 1999 at 18:06:59:

In Reply to: Re: What is every one's favorite power-pl.null ? reasons ? nt posted by RBest on May 08, 1999 at 12:56:33:

We had a Vortek gas ram installed in our Beeman R1, and the first one failed. We reported it that way, too, in our newsletter. We knew such things could happen to any type of equipment. So we got another gas ram from Vortek. It's been in since that time and has performed flawlessly for 3+ years. Tom has frequently said that it shoots so beautifully that he wouldn't take it out for another tune. Actually, we bought a used R1 in case we wanted to do any future R1 tests, tunes or modifications. I don't know if Vortek still sells the R1 gas ram. You'll have to check with them or their dealer/installers.

Regarding failure - about 8 years ago, I bought an upgrade for a then-new laser printer. It failed inside of a month. It was a new product, but the company was known as a reliable one. But the upgrade I bought was in an area that the company had not ventured previously. The part I bought was serial number 4. The company gave me a free replacement (it was an electronic device that replaced the entire guts of my laser printer) - serial number 6. And it has functioned flawlessly for 8 years now without any glitches, problems or maintenance. One failure doesn't necessarily mean an entire product line is flawed or doomed. Since perfection doesn't exist, occasional failures will happen.

Edith Gaylord
The Airgun Letter
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http://www.airgunletter.null
http://www.airgunletter.com

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Re: Beeman Pellets

Msg. 110035  Posted by RBest on May 08, 1999 at 17:58:37:

In Reply to: Beeman Pellets posted by Tony on May 08, 1999 at 17:33:13:

Tony: Beeman is just a distributor. They don't make anything. These aren't the best pellets for this gun ( usually). Domed pellets tend to shoot better groups and are also better at distance. Regards, Russ
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Re: Crows or Ravens?????????

Msg. 110034  Posted by Stocky on May 08, 1999 at 17:56:55:

In Reply to: Big Crows........ posted by Ron B on May 08, 1999 at 16:41:10:

Crows....Grackles....Ravens....magpies
All different.
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Beeman Pellets

Msg. 110032  Posted by Tony on May 08, 1999 at 17:33:13:

I'm attempting to sight in my SS with Beeman Silver Sting Pointed pellets, and I am starting to wonder about the quality control at Beeman. Some of the pellets drop into the barrel very loosely, and others have to be shoved in. Is this normal, or a quality control problem?
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Barrel Bands

Msg. 110031  Posted by Tony on May 08, 1999 at 17:29:50:

I've just mounted swivels to my BSA SS, and I'm wondering if I have tighened the barrel band enough, it is not staying put. Anyone of you'z guys out there have any experience with these things. I don't want to over tighten and possibly damage any part of the setup.
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Re: Can I use a dot sight on my rws 45?

Msg. 110030  Posted by ERIC on May 08, 1999 at 17:28:27:

In Reply to: Can I use a dot sight on my rws 45? posted by paul on May 08, 1999 at 10:00:00:

Yeah, sure. certain scopes break on spring guns because of the " reverse" recoil. There shouldn't be a problem with the red dot sights.
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Re: Canadian .25 cal grief !!!

Msg. 110029  Posted by ERIC on May 08, 1999 at 17:23:24:

In Reply to: Canadian .25 cal grief !!! posted by Pel-it on May 08, 1999 at 10:30:08:

I'm sure glad I don't live in canada(^-^). It's hard enough find .25 pellets here. Maybe try and get a .22 cal airgun? It'd probably be a lot easier getting those pellets for your airgun.And I hear .25 isn't a very accurate caliber anyway, maybe due to the lack of pellets you can try. Not sure about canada, but here in the states, you can find .22 pellets in just about any "mart" store.
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Re: IZH-46

Msg. 110028  Posted by ERIC on May 08, 1999 at 17:13:34:

In Reply to: IZH-46 posted by CNN on May 08, 1999 at 13:04:35:

Golden Toller seems to be the best bet. Or you can check the classifieds for a used one.
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Tootsie Roll handle`

Msg. 110027  Posted by Kieth on May 08, 1999 at 16:51:10:

I have one of the older 347 with the tootsie roll
pump handles and I really don't like it and was wanting
to know if there was someone that could change the
stock and handle for one of the new handles like on
the newer 397's?
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Big Crows........

Msg. 110026  Posted by Ron B on May 08, 1999 at 16:41:10:

In Reply to: Re: Sizes of Crow species posted by chasm on May 08, 1999 at 16:32:21:

Chasm,

Be sure and take pictures of our large crows. Those Yanquis will want proof they are not Turkey Vultures when you report back.

Ron
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Lufkin Steel tape

Msg. 110025  Posted by RBest on May 08, 1999 at 16:37:53:

In Reply to: Re: Sizes of Crow species posted by chasm on May 08, 1999 at 16:32:21:

Chasm; remember- I said 30+ ". Seen some that were near 36", just haven't bagged one of them big boys yet. :>) Russ
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Re: Sizes of Crow species

Msg. 110024  Posted by chasm on May 08, 1999 at 16:32:21:

In Reply to: Sizes of Crow species posted by R Best on May 08, 1999 at 12:25:29:

Loading up the SUV with various airguns, pellets, Chrony, and most importantly my crow fighting owl tape and ghetto blaster. Mission is to find out if like everything else, crows are bigger in Texas. The pecans are just starting at our place in the country so I've also got a protection job to do. Will report in tomorrow if I can beat 30 inches. Was that western or eastern measurement, Russ?
chasm

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Re: Canadian .25 cal grief !!!

Msg. 110023  Posted by Ron B on May 08, 1999 at 15:17:22:

In Reply to: Re: Canadian .25 cal grief !!! posted by W. Edwards on May 08, 1999 at 13:11:20:

The identification and registration is an effective way to eliminate ammunition and dealers from carrying gun related things. Follow my thinking for a minute or two:

The tin of pellets is $5. It takes the clerk 10 minutes or 1/6 of and hour to fill out the paper work. The clerk is making $6 an hour, costing the store owner, with benefits, around $9 an hour, which through the sales he hopes for a profit. It also costs the owner about the same per hour to keep the doors open. .null cost to do transaction ~$3. Gross profit on one tin pellets ~$2. .null on transaction

The business can sell gun products till it goes broke.

JMO,
Ron
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Daisy VL rifle- cause for misfiring?

Msg. 110022  Posted by Alan on May 08, 1999 at 15:11:05:

Bought one at yard sale yesterday. Box of ammo came with it. Out of 5 shots, 2 did not ignite. Old ammo or need piston seal in mechanism? Thanks, Alan
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Re: God im sick of aol spam!!! anyone agree? just venting

Msg. 110021  Posted by ERIC on May 08, 1999 at 15:03:09:

In Reply to: God im sick of aol spam!!! anyone agree? just venting posted by M Boyle on May 08, 1999 at 01:14:43:

Yes!! totally agree. Everyday I am sent horrid pornography and awful curse words by people with nasty sounding names. Recently it's slowed down but still irratatiing and embarrassing, especially when my parents are looking over my shoulder while I'm checking my email. UGH, now my parents are starting to think I'm into that stuff!
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Re: IZH-46

Msg. 110020  Posted by Vlad B. on May 08, 1999 at 15:01:39:

In Reply to: IZH-46 posted by CNN on May 08, 1999 at 13:04:35:

Your best bet would be to Contact Golden Taller Guns ($242) or Airgun Express (I think they have it for $250 this month).
Good luck to you.

Vlad
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Re: Mac-1 complaints

Msg. 110019  Posted by ERIC on May 08, 1999 at 14:52:16:

In Reply to: Mac-1 complaints posted by Tim S on May 08, 1999 at 02:52:59:

Although I did find flaws in my rifle, everyone can make mistakes. As I stated earlier, I'm just a nitpicker and like to point out these things. In my mind, I still think Tim is a great airgunsmith.
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Re: Think I'll fergit crows and stick to squirrels amp; starlings.

Msg. 110018  Posted by ERIC on May 08, 1999 at 14:48:37:

In Reply to: Think I'll fergit crows and stick to squirrels amp; starlings. posted by wved on May 08, 1999 at 10:54:32:

Hey, I've always thought about giving up on crows too. I've never had good luck hunting them. I remember once, I had my rifle out and was just about to do some shooting, when a huge black crow landed not 30 yards on front of me. well, I was pretty confident I would hit it, especially since I still have my eagle eyes of youth and considered myself a fine shot. I aim up at the head, sure in my ability to hit it. I was tightening on the trigger when with a whirring of wings, the beast charged me! I yelled in surprise and blasted at him at a range of about 7 yards. I missed! then he got real close and started pecking and scratching and generally having himself a grand time. I hollored and used all kinds of profanity that I thought apporpraite for the moment. The scene must have been like one from " the birds". I wasn't born yet when they made the movie but this had to be what the plot was like. A huge black bird with piercing eyes viciously attacking a 15 yr old boy. Well, I finally got inside the house and that old bird stayed there staring through the glass door at me. And I stared at him. He opened his beak as if to speak, then with one last glance at me over his shoulder, he flew off.

( you'll understand if I exaggerated a bit, having gotten excited while I was typeing ^_^)

ERIC
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Re: Ballistics Eval Software?

Msg. 110017  Posted by Greg Fischer on May 08, 1999 at 14:45:09:

In Reply to: Ballistics Eval Software? posted by Jules on May 08, 1999 at 13:50:27:

Ian Pellant has some very nice free software which does lots of calculations and prints trajectory graphs, velocity/drop tables, and targets (among other things). He's constantly upgrading it.

http://www.hsv.tis.null/~ispellan/Airguns.html
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Re: What is every one's favorite power-pl.null ? reasons ? nt

Msg. 110016  Posted by DAS on May 08, 1999 at 14:40:24:

In Reply to: What is every one's favorite power-pl.null ? reasons ? nt posted by Axel on May 08, 1999 at 06:54:17:

For a general purpose air rifle, I prefer a pump up pneumatic. Reasons are:

No recoil
No vibration
No dieseling
No special scopes or scope mounts required
Your choice of power level from plinking to hunting
Not temperature sensitive like CO2
Built in power plant

The main down side to a multi pump is the amount of work required by the shooter.

Dave

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Re: Steriod Streak; where and how much? NT

Msg. 110015  Posted by ERIC on May 08, 1999 at 14:32:22:

In Reply to: Steriod Streak; where and how much? NT posted by Jay on May 08, 1999 at 03:03:15:

Before getting the tune on my 392, I did a bunch of research about it. Here it is, good reading and enjoy!
Mac-1 has modified Sheridans for around 2 decades now and my approach
changes as the guns have evolved. I could at one point many years back simply
install an adjustable piston, a better check valve, and a beefier hammer
spring and we could coax 900 out of most 5mm's. Things have changed a great
deal. To get that type of performance nowadays from an early dan as I call
Sheridans you would need to machine the valve, remanufacturer the lever or
replace with billet, fabricate custom inlet and outlet seals as well as do
the custom piston. It actually is a little easier to
start with the new gun and go billet/steriod/williams straight away and You
don't have to fuss with whether the gun can take the stress etc. But it
isn't cheap and if you have an old C laying around with a blown check or
leaky valve you just might have a gem in the rough.
Early model C and CB. The basic tune is $45 which uses upgraded factory
components and Mac-1's check valve. What get's done on a $65 steriod tune?
For the additional $20 I remachine the valve body to receive
Mac-1's delrin outlet valve, install a custom adjustable piston, beef up
the factory lever, and tune the gun to around 900 fps.
What's a billet lever? $40 option on new gun.
The factory discontinued the levers for the C and CB several years ago. I
tooled up to remanufacture the factory lever with new pivot bearing. When
buckled levers came in we could not fix the guns. We were forced to do a
billet lever cause we were completely out of levers. Billet anything is
defined as made from solid stock. In this case the lever
arm is machined from solid steel and the part is far more rigid than the
stock item. Made with a replaceable hardened steel bushing at the primary
pivot this lever is what I call the lastlever because it will literally
last forever. Billet levers are available for new and old model guns but
when fitting the billet to any C or CB the customer is advised to also
replace the early front plug with a late model brass plug($15) to make sure
the front end is solid and the pins don't slip out. So the total to do a
billet steriod to an early Sheridan is $120 plus transpo. These will shoot
over 900 in .20 with light ammo at 14 pumps.
Late Model C9A, CB9A, 397 or 392.
Steriod Tune $65 on your gun. Adds $40 to the price of a new gun. The late
model gun gets a little different treatment. I do the custom piston, delrin
stem, and beef the factory lever. I also do a bolt probe modification to
inhance airflow and of course the two stage trigger is tuned to a 1 lb take
up and 2-3 lb. break. The billet lever(adds $40) is especially popular with
the new guns. It makes the lever feel like a quality car door shutting vs. a
cheap one.
Williams Peep Option(add $25 to gun purchase or repair).
In the last 8 years the Benjamins/Sheridans have had predrilled holes on
the right side of breech. If your gun doesn't have holes on the right side
you will have to have them drilled and tapped for an additonal $10 to fit
the peep.
Dovetail Option(add $25 to gun purchase or repair).
For the last four years or so the breech has been produced from round
material and is wide enough for us to cut dovetails directly in the breech
for a sure grip between gun and scope. It is fairly awkward to fit a scope
to any underlever pump pnuematic because the most favorable spot for
holding the gun is being taken by the scope. I highly recommend the peep
for that reason. If you must fit a scope you want to glue the factory base
on if you choose to use that. The better approach is to dovetail the breech
but as both will force you into extremely short
scopes and/or high mounts it seems a poor choice at best. The cheekpiece
will become a chin piece, plus cocking and pumping effort will increase.
PB option (adds $20 to the price of a C9A). This action is polished brass and
the plug and bolt are black finished. All new guns we sell, even in stock
trim get the beefy lever modification which is essentially a third pin in
the forearm to help take the stress off the lever. If you don't want this
third pin done be sure to let us know. It is standard on all
Benjamins/Sheridans guns sold at Mac-1. The only exception is a billet
lever gun which doesn't need the third pin because the lever is so strong.
50 year Commemorative PB option (adds $40 to the price of a C9A). Please
let me know if this is for collectors sake or not because if your going to
shoot it you should do the beefy lever mod. If your just going to stuff it
away the third pin would detract from collectors value to the terminally
anal collectors. This comes with a cleaning kit in cordura case. It has a
badge in the wood, a patch, and a certificate of authenticity.
Prices for guns:
Benjamin 392 or 397 $130 Black .22 or .177 pump rifle
Benjamin S397 $135 Chrome plated .177 pump rifle
Sheridan CB9A $140 Black .20 pump rifle
Sheridan C9A $145 Chrome plated .20 pump rifle
Sheridan C9 PB $165 Polished Brass .20 pump rifle
Sheridan C9 PB COM $185 Polished Brass Commemorative .20 pump rifle
EB 17 or 20 $99.95 Black .177 or .20 CO2 pistol
HB 17, 20, or 22 $109.95 Black .177, .20, .22 pump pistol
H17,or 20 $116.95 Chrome plated .177 or .20 pump pistol
H20 PB $140 Polished Brass .20 pump pistol
1 will the extra power affect accuracy?

Best accuracy is had at 4-6 pumps.
Power and accuracy don't go hand in hand but we do the best we can with the
barrel length.

> 2 how many times do you pump it up after the steriod tune to get the 20 ft lbs
> ( it increases the power to 20 ft-lbs right?) out of it?

12 pumps should get you 20 ft. lbs.

> 3 I remember reading a post ( I think you posted it) That the benjamins have
> very flimsy levers and will easily bend if you pump it more than the
> reccomended number of pumps unless you have the billet lever.

If we don't do a billet the lever gets a third pin but it won't hold up
very long if you go too the max often.

if the steriod
> tune increases the number of pumps, will the lever on my 392 bend since I
> don't have a billet lever?

If you go to the max of 14 pumps the factory lever gets trashed fairly
quickly. That's why I developed the billet.

> 4 will the tune increase cocking effort?

Beyond 8 yes. Below eight pumps it is easier. The whole plus of my tune is
that you get more power with fewer pumps. the 14 pump capability is the
bonus but you shouldn't push a stocker cause they are weak. Even when
beefed up they are flexing lots.
Cards accepted are M/C, Visa, Am/Ex,
and discover. We add 3%.

HTH
ERIC
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Just the streak for $130. I think there is a post further down with prices. nt.

Msg. 110014  Posted by PAL on May 08, 1999 at 14:08:13:

In Reply to: Is this the Streak listed for $130 or just the 392? NT posted by Ross on May 08, 1999 at 11:46:23:


nt
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Ballistics Eval Software?

Msg. 110012  Posted by Jules on May 08, 1999 at 13:50:27:

Can anyone recommend ballistics software and web site for possible download? Would prefer eval period if possible. Thanks.
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Re: Sizes of Crow species

Msg. 110011  Posted by Paul on May 08, 1999 at 13:27:01:

In Reply to: Sizes of Crow species posted by R Best on May 08, 1999 at 12:25:29:

Just got myfirst crow the other day, 25 yrd shot with rifle. Funny enough, hit it with a .22 crow mag pellet! This sucker was raiding a split bag of garbage, didn't notice me. He weighed more than some of the squirrels I've shot!
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Re: IZH-46

Msg. 110010  Posted by Roger on May 08, 1999 at 13:19:59:

In Reply to: IZH-46 posted by CNN on May 08, 1999 at 13:04:35:

Best Price I have seen (several dealers) on.null is $250 + s/h. I purchased one at Fetla's In Valparaiso Indiana for $99. Donot think they knew what they had on sale. If you live in area may want to visit Fetla's. Route 2 on south end of town.
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Re: Canadian .25 cal grief !!!

Msg. 110009  Posted by W. Edwards on May 08, 1999 at 13:11:20:

In Reply to: Canadian .25 cal grief !!! posted by Pel-it on May 08, 1999 at 10:30:08:

As I understand it the province of Ontario has imposed
a number of regulations with regard to ammunition and
pellets and BB's fall under the same restrictions.
Buying a package of BB's in Ontario requires (according
to my information) photo identification and the clerk
is required to record the information for each purchase.
Going into to a store on a busy Saturday afternoon to
buy a tube of BB's will drive most clerks crazy since
it takes about 10 minutes to record the $2.99 purchase.
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Re: Sizes of Crow species

Msg. 110008  Posted by RBest on May 08, 1999 at 13:05:17:

In Reply to: Re: Sizes of Crow species posted by wved on May 08, 1999 at 12:58:18:

Ed: I have the best luck from a 'hide' or just lurking behind trees. They are just a little too sharp for stalking, as you well know. They don't even like being looked at, and it doesn't matter whether you have something in your hands or not. I have worn "realtree" camo for crows, because their vision is so good. Russ
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IZH-46

Msg. 110007  Posted by CNN on May 08, 1999 at 13:04:35:

Does any one know who has the best sale price for the IZH-48.

Thank you CANN
schatler@null.null

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Re: Sizes of Crow species

Msg. 110006  Posted by wved on May 08, 1999 at 12:58:18:

In Reply to: Sizes of Crow species posted by R Best on May 08, 1999 at 12:25:29:

Don't know Russ, ain't been able to shoot one to find out! :-) wved
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Re: What is every one's favorite power-pl.null ? reasons ? nt

Msg. 110005  Posted by RBest on May 08, 1999 at 12:56:33:

In Reply to: Re: What is every one's favorite power-pl.null ? reasons ? nt posted by wved on May 08, 1999 at 10:18:03:

Ed: Besides myself, I know numerous people ( personally) that own gas rams. In my honest opinion, the reputation for failure is overstated by those who are big advocates of spring power. Do failures ocurr? Yes, just like in any other device. There is no such thing as 'perfection'. Some of these failures were also owner induced. Those are not the fault of the ram. I've actually run across more burnt seals in spring guns than I've heard of in gas rams. It's also not as new as many people think. Theoben started up in 1982, and their products have had an excellent reputation for 17 years. That said, I'm still basically a spring gun nut, but I DO like the rams also. Regards, Russ
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Re: What is every one's favorite power-pl.null ? reasons ? nt

Msg. 110004  Posted by Rick Johnson on May 08, 1999 at 12:41:42:

In Reply to: Re: What is every one's favorite power-pl.null ? reasons ? nt posted by wved on May 08, 1999 at 10:18:03:

They really are overstated. The percentage of seal problems on gas rams is lower than that of failed springs on our guns within a 3 month window of purchase. The overall longevityb of the rams has been phenominal. There are still original Crow Mags and RX's out there performing very well.

Rick

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Sizes of Crow species

Msg. 110002  Posted by R Best on May 08, 1999 at 12:25:29:

I know there are several kinds of crows, and wondered about their sizes in various parts of the country. The ones I'm looking at today have wingspans of 30"( or better). Big suckas! Russ
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Raining at the DIFTA today??

Msg. 110001  Posted by RussBest on May 08, 1999 at 12:22:24:

I know it's crappy in southern New England, and was wondering if the match was still on. Regards, Russ
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Re: What is every one's favorite power-pl.null ? reasons ? nt

Msg. 109999  Posted by RBest on May 08, 1999 at 12:19:03:

In Reply to: Re: What is every one's favorite power-pl.null ? reasons ? nt posted by MikeD on May 08, 1999 at 07:13:35:

For pure simplicity and not being bound to an external power source, it would have to be the good old reliable springer. I like pumpers too, but the effort and noise of pumping has a couple disadvantages. PCP's are wonderfully accurate and powerful, and so easy to shoot, but to those who are less fortunate and have uncooperative dive shops to deal with ; it's a hassle. I do believe we'll see even more progress with gas rams in the next decade, and more guns will be equipped with them as time goes on. JMO, Russ
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Re: Mars

Msg. 109998  Posted by RBest on May 08, 1999 at 12:06:49:

In Reply to: Re: Mars posted by wved on May 08, 1999 at 10:21:13:

Ed: I was born under the god of war. I even have a bright red car. I had my first gun before I ever got a baseball glove, so I guess I fit the profile. Regards, Russ
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Re: cleaning pellets in tempest?

Msg. 109997  Posted by tom on May 08, 1999 at 11:58:54:

In Reply to: Re: cleaning pellets in tempest? posted by jcbii on May 07, 1999 at 03:57:09:

thanks for the tip. i have some old beeman catalogs and will take a look.

i tried to stuff two in and it was a chore. hope that one is ok.


tom
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Re: God im sick of aol spam!!! anyone agree? just venting

Msg. 109996  Posted by LOU V.K. on May 08, 1999 at 11:58:07:

In Reply to: God im sick of aol spam!!! anyone agree? just venting posted by M Boyle on May 08, 1999 at 01:14:43:

You got caught by a porn site cookie. They sell lists of those who have been conned into downloading one of their 'hidden' e-mail messages to all of the other spammers.I have the same problem.I accidently clicked on one of them,about six months ago,and have been swamped with such crap,ever since.You are right,AOL will not do anything about it. My wife refuses to even click on any e-mail that she does not personally recognise,but,deletes almost all of the messages that appear on her personal e-mail listing. As a result,she has yet to see such porno-spam show up addressed to her.
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Re: Question for DAS re: the Saver 9090 Super Gun.

Msg. 109995  Posted by DAS on May 08, 1999 at 11:57:16:

In Reply to: Question for DAS re: the Saver 9090 Super Gun. posted by Russ Best on May 08, 1999 at 00:40:34:

Russ,

Both the 909 and 9090 are single shot rifles. The 909 is .22 cal. pellet and the 9090 is a scatter gun available in .22 or .25 cal.

Dave

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Is this the Streak listed for $130 or just the 392? NT

Msg. 109994  Posted by Ross on May 08, 1999 at 11:46:23:

In Reply to: Mac1 - http://www.mindspring.com/~airguns/ NT posted by PAL on May 08, 1999 at 07:48:17:


nt
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Re: Post first,think later

Msg. 109992  Posted by James Pieper on May 08, 1999 at 11:37:36:

In Reply to: Post first,think later posted by LOU V.K. on May 08, 1999 at 11:07:19:

Bravo! Well said, Lou! Thanks for taking the time to relay the truth of the matter and setting it straight. 'Twas a service to us all!
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Re: Canadians!!! New ITAR regulations for US exports to Canada!!

Msg. 109991  Posted by LOU V.K. on May 08, 1999 at 11:33:11:

In Reply to: Canadians!!! New ITAR regulations for US exports to Canada!! posted by Dave K. on May 08, 1999 at 10:47:39:

The other side of that same ridiculous coin is that,our beloved president,and,her husband have instructed the state department that no more guns from Russia are to be allowed into the U.S..Of course,exeptions are being made for the Chinese junk.
My personal experience with this stems from the crack down on issuance and renewals of FAC permits in the U.K..There are thousands of olympic class .22 rimfire match rifles and pistols going for " a pence per the pound " in England.I bought two Vostok Olympic match rifles from a British dealer,after having my mate,Mick Dawes inspect them. The problem was,I couldn't get them into the States. The amazing thing is,they can be shipped to anyone in Canada,who is an FAC holder,with no problem,and,no duty being required. I almost broke the law,by setting up a deal,whereby a Canadian friend was going to order these rifles for me,and,would bring them accross the border on the pretense of using them in a match on this side. they would then,just be abandoned to me,while here. I had second thoughts about the ethics involved,and stopped the transaction,prior to his placing the order.

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Re: Mac-1 complaints-None, note no complaints

Msg. 109990  Posted by lc on May 08, 1999 at 11:25:29:

In Reply to: Mac-1 complaints posted by Tim S on May 08, 1999 at 02:52:59:

Tim from Mac-1 was at the Little Rock show and I continue
to be impressed. My phone and mail business with him
has alway been a pleasure. At LR Tim was unselfishly answering
questions about modifications, repairs, offering to
send small orders when he returned home. Several
times I heard him give credit to LD and others for
their work and products. His passion for airguns
was very evident but also I noted his desire to improve
our sport and the tools we use. It is my understanding
that Tim made many positive changes to the business that
he purchased after his father shut down. Tim's booth and
Paul Watt's were in demand at the show and I didn't
hear a single negative comment about them, just praises.

As a side note, I had a great time at the show.
Brought home a JM tuned R9, Career 9mm, LD-1, walnut
stock for TX MK V, and a Paul Watts kit for R 10.
Quite a show, but the best was meeting, Tim, Dave Stamper, Paul
Watts, Sleigh, Mike Reams, LD, the folks a Krugs...the people in
our sport are greater than the sport itself. Thank you for your
dedication. Larry



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Re: Think I'll fergit crows and stick to squirrels amp; starlings.

Msg. 109989  Posted by LOU V.K. on May 08, 1999 at 11:17:37:

In Reply to: Think I'll fergit crows and stick to squirrels amp; starlings. posted by wved on May 08, 1999 at 10:54:32:

I too have about given up on those "dumb" crows,and gone back to the same 'other hobby'. The only problem that I have with my woodworking is that my wife won't allow it on the weekends,as,she is using the same basement for doing laundry,and,the wood dust gets on her clean clothing. This is NOT condusive to matrimonial bliss ! I have learned to make furniture and do my shooting during the work week,while she is at the office. Being old,and,retired does have some benefits. It also has some detriments,but,thankfully,I have a vivid memory of my youth. ;-) ;-)
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Post first,think later

Msg. 109988  Posted by LOU V.K. on May 08, 1999 at 11:07:19:

On Brad's classified ads can be found a classic example of posting prior to thinking,and unneeded recriminations.
Vlad offered for sale two pistols,a Gamo Compact,@ $140.00,and an RWS 6M,which he also offered for $140.00. Within 3 minutes he had already typed up another message there,stating that the price on the 6M was wrong,and the proper price was $280.00. This was very poor proof reading on the part of Vlad,but,no improper intent can be brought against him. He rectified his mistake as quickly as possible,after discpovering that he made one.
Very soon thereafter,someone who called himself Jay posted a very nasty message about this on the same classified ad page,accusing Vlad of chicanery,and stating that Vlad had raised the price because he had gotten a large number of offers for the pistol,and,had decided that he could gouge the buyers out of more money. This was posted annonymously,in that the e-mal address is a hoax. Also,there would have not been time after the initial posting by Vlad,for anyone to have read that posting,and made a telephone call to offer to buy. Whoever 'JAY' is,he is not only wrong in his assesment of what actually happened,he is only trying to cause trouble among the members of the airgun fraternity. A few weeks ago,I offered to sell a .20 cal pellet mould to Bill S..I did this in good faith,as I knew that I owned one,and,it had not been used in a long time. It turned out,that my youngest son sold it to one of his buddies,and,never told me. I raised HELL!!!!!!! I also sent bill's check back,with a note of apology. These thingscan happen.They do not require nastiness being written about the person who innocently made a mistake.
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Think I'll fergit crows and stick to squirrels amp; starlings.

Msg. 109987  Posted by wved on May 08, 1999 at 10:54:32:

This morning I was sittin' inside lookin out at the rain and thunderboomers thinkin'"well, at least I can do some woodworking instead of shootin'. After a couple hours the rain stopped, good I'll go outside and shoot some plastic bottle caps to practice "hold-over". I was popin' a 1" bottle cap pretty regular at 40 yds and then I heard it! Caw Caw Caw, in the trees not 60 yds away. Great! A couple STUPID crows that don't even know I'm shootin'! :-) Heh Heh I'll sneak up on em, should be easy with leaves on the trees, Heh Heh grinn, I'll finally see how this R10 works on those big black noise makers :-). Up I sneaks, light slow step by light slow step, always on the back side of tree trunks. I get 50 yards from 'em and "lets see if I can stalk to 40 yards, Heh Heh :-)! Just thinking of telling this tale of stealth to y'all made me grinnn :-)! I start movin' to the next tree and, Caw Caw Caw, two crows are 60 yards away again. Heck, it took me five minutes to get to 50 yards! :-( Caw Caw Caw, ok, I'll try again. By the way, I found out that the skeeters are awake and liked my s l o w m o v i n' legs stickin' out of my shorts (not underware). Oops, back to the story, the same
thing happenes over and over till I was at the wet weather stream on the edge of my property. THEN THOSE SUCKERS FLEW AWAY!!!! I looked back up the hill to the house, about a hunnert yards away, and thought "I'm givin' up on stalkin' stupid crows and stickin' to smart squirrels". All is quiet now in my 'puter room an I'm writin' this before I get gack to "wood butcherin'". Hey wait what do I hear, Caw Caw outside the snipin' window. Now ifn I can just get that winder open without 'en knowin'----, that last blurb was just wishfull thinkin'. :-) Well, gotta go, wved
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Canadians!!! New ITAR regulations for US exports to Canada!!

Msg. 109986  Posted by Dave K. on May 08, 1999 at 10:47:39:

In Reply to: Canadian .25 cal grief !!! posted by Pel-it on May 08, 1999 at 10:30:08:

Pel-it,

I am sorry you can't find a source of .25 calibre pellets in Canada, but I think these new regulations don't apply to airguns so perhaps there is something in the regulations exempting airgun ammunition?

I just discovered these new trade restrictions myself. They are apparently the doing of the US State department. They want to restrict the amount of weapons that find their way into countries less friendly to the US.
They are called ITAR regulations.

The shipper in the US has to see the receiver's permit in Canada in order to apply for a permit from from the US state department.
My friend did all the research on this, so don't ask me any details. He just told me and scared the heck out of me wit this news.

I don't believe it applies to everything airgun related, but you would have to check the actual ITAR regulations for that information.

This will very effectively choke off supplies to Canada of guns and gun related parts.

Check out this web site:
US State Department - Policy- Office of Defense Trade Controls.
http://www.pmdtc.org/

Check these two headers once at this page:

Instructions for the Permanent Export of Firearms and Ammunition

Federal Register ITAR Related Notices for 1999

Dave K.

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Canadian .25 cal grief !!!

Msg. 109985  Posted by Pel-it on May 08, 1999 at 10:30:08:

I'm a Canadian (eh) and up here in the North, .25 cal pellets are hard to find. In fact I seem to have just drained my supply to nothing and the response to getting more is "Probably about a 2 month waiting period". You see apparently in order for a U.S. company to export anything to do with firearms they need an "EXPORT PERMIT" and these aren't just handed out like candy. Has anybody got any bright ideas or know of a Canadian distributor of these not so little lead pearls???
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Re: Mars

Msg. 109984  Posted by wved on May 08, 1999 at 10:21:13:

In Reply to: Mars posted by RBest on May 08, 1999 at 09:25:30:

Russ you suprise me, (the pl.null of war?) I would've thought that Venus would more to you're likin! Myself, I like Pluto and Goofy is pretty funny too.:-) wved
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Re: What is every one's favorite power-pl.null ? reasons ? nt

Msg. 109983  Posted by LOU V.K. on May 08, 1999 at 10:18:12:

In Reply to: Re: What is every one's favorite power-pl.null ? reasons ? nt posted by MikeD on May 08, 1999 at 07:13:35:


Like Mike,I am lazy,probably lazier than he is,'cause I don't even like to exert myself enough to swing the underlever of one of my TX's,77's,or the side lever of one of my RWS's. Trying to 'break the barrel' of rifles that use that appendage as a cocking lever is FAR too much work. I like the 'bone simple' mechanism of the PCP system.It is like me,simple. The major advantage of PCP,IMHO,is that Ican go to the local dive shop,and,listen to the compressor doing all of my work for me. If I was more affluent,or,if my friend Wade S.were more generous,I could avoid even these trips,but,he wants cash,not other guns in exchange for his 3000 psi compressor.
Now,after telling all and sundry how lazy I am,I do,on occasion,shoot a spring gun.This is strictly for exercise,you all understand. ;-) ;-)
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Re: What is every one's favorite power-pl.null ? reasons ? nt

Msg. 109982  Posted by wved on May 08, 1999 at 10:18:03:

In Reply to: Re: What is every one's favorite power-pl.null ? reasons ? nt posted by Rick Johnson on May 08, 1999 at 09:36:55:

Hi Rick! I understand that there is some concern about maintaining the "gas seal" and that to fix it requires a send back to the shop. Are these concerns overstated? wved
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Re: Can I use a dot sight on my rws 45?

Msg. 109981  Posted by RBest on May 08, 1999 at 10:11:16:

In Reply to: Can I use a dot sight on my rws 45? posted by paul on May 08, 1999 at 10:00:00:

Paul: I've never had an Adco, but I've used 2 others on springers with no problems. Russ
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Re: Gun cases of all kinds.

Msg. 109980  Posted by ProfHoff on May 08, 1999 at 10:06:09:

In Reply to: Case for 250 with scope amp; stock on posted by PAL on May 08, 1999 at 08:29:22:

Go Here:

http://www.bagmaster.com/tactical.htm

They have great stuff.

Regards,

ProfHoff
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Can I use a dot sight on my rws 45?

Msg. 109979  Posted by paul on May 08, 1999 at 10:00:00:

I purchased an Adco Hot Shot sight for my Beeman p3. What an improvement, one big hole in the ten ring! Adco guarantees this sight even if it takes a direct hit from a paintball. Can I use one of these sights with the recoil of the rifle?
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Edith: Nice recommend. Very classy! nt

Msg. 109978  Posted by Rick Johnson on May 08, 1999 at 09:39:39:

In Reply to: Re: JM---Stand-up Kind of Guy posted by The Airgun Letter on May 08, 1999 at 05:57:40:



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Re: What is every one's favorite power-pl.null ? reasons ? nt

Msg. 109977  Posted by Rick Johnson on May 08, 1999 at 09:36:55:

In Reply to: What is every one's favorite power-pl.null ? reasons ? nt posted by Axel on May 08, 1999 at 06:54:17:

I'll go with a gas piston. You're getting more power, less vibration, less maintenance and far shorter lock times. But I'm still saving my nickles for an HW 97 in .177. Classic gun.

Rick

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Re: dot sigts

Msg. 109976  Posted by paul on May 08, 1999 at 09:25:40:

In Reply to: dot sigts posted by paul on May 08, 1999 at 08:07:12:


sorry I should proof read my posting
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Mars

Msg. 109975  Posted by RBest on May 08, 1999 at 09:25:30:

In Reply to: What is every one's favorite power-pl.null ? reasons ? nt posted by Axel on May 08, 1999 at 06:54:17:

Thought I logged onto to Astrology Forum. he he RB
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Re: Benjamin 312 vs. 342

Msg. 109974  Posted by Bill on May 08, 1999 at 09:22:35:

In Reply to: Benjamin 312 vs. 342 posted by Don on May 08, 1999 at 02:15:07:

The primary difference is the safety design. Except for that the two are very similar. The early 342s had the tootsie roll pump handle. Later ones had a pump handle similar to the modern Benjamins. Internal parts are the essentially the same. Performance should be about the same.
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Re: peep for a SS

Msg. 109973  Posted by Jerry Rhodes on May 08, 1999 at 08:34:54:

In Reply to: peep for a SS posted by Rusty on May 08, 1999 at 01:17:19:

Rusty,

The Beeman sight is the same as the Williams FP-AG, You will have to adjust it all the way down and jack the front post up from two to three notches, as Russ pointed out. I don't like to do this because then, depending on the individual "barrel angle", the front post is irritatingly high in the hood. I like the post centered. The solution to this is to use the Williams FP-GR. It will adjust about 3/16" lower. I have been getting my FP-GR's from Natchez Shooter's Supply. They cost a little over $41.00. Don't bother to go to Brownell's they must only have one and they don't seem to want to sell it, judging from the price in the catalog. Get the one without the knobs and spend the difference on pellets or something for mom.

Jerry

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Case for 250 with scope amp; stock on

Msg. 109971  Posted by PAL on May 08, 1999 at 08:29:22:

Where is a good selection of gun cases on the web? I have looked and found sites with normal rifle, scoped rifle and pistol cases. But what I want is something that will fit my SSP250 with scope and stock on. I think the ones at the gun shows I've seen called "tactical rifle cases" are what I'm looking for.

Paul
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Re: God im sick of aol spam!!! anyone agree? just venting

Msg. 109970  Posted by jhw on May 08, 1999 at 08:27:27:

In Reply to: Re: God im sick of aol spam!!! anyone agree? just venting posted by Jerry Rhodes on May 08, 1999 at 08:15:00:

Switch to a local ISP. AOL is specifically targeted
by spammers....
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Re: Benjamin 312 vs. 342-difference

Msg. 109969  Posted by Alan on May 08, 1999 at 08:19:37:

In Reply to: Re: Benjamin 312 vs. 342 posted by Tim S on May 08, 1999 at 02:31:06:

The 312 I have(and just sold) is very light. Because it is .22 it also seems to be a little cannon! The saftey on the 312 is the small lever on the side of the receiver that blocks the internal hammer if fired. I and most don't use it. The saftey on 342s is bulkier and at the tang area(at least later model 342s). I like the 312/317 models-they are small light powerhouses. The one I just sold in unused condition is going to someone who had one years ago and will probably be a 'memory jogger'. Can't you just see a 40-50year old guy walking around the house with his tootsie roll handle Benjamin pump gun?-----Don't worry,my neighbors are used to it, I'm 48. Thanks, Alan PS-got a 317(177)in rebuild process-ready in a few days and for sale.
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Re: What is every one's favorite power-pl.null ? reasons ? nt

Msg. 109968  Posted by wved on May 08, 1999 at 08:19:19:

In Reply to: Re: What is every one's favorite power-pl.null ? reasons ? nt posted by wved on May 08, 1999 at 08:15:23:

After rereading Mikes post I have to agree with the "stupid" part, but that's being stupid "like a fox" :-) wved
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Re: What is every one's favorite power-pl.null ? reasons ? nt

Msg. 109967  Posted by wved on May 08, 1999 at 08:15:23:

In Reply to: Re: What is every one's favorite power-pl.null ? reasons ? nt posted by MikeD on May 08, 1999 at 07:13:35:

I agree with Mike except for the "stupid" part.
For "easy to shoot straight" though, I like my POS pistol (cheap Daisy 717). One stroke, no jumping or twisting and accurate, but alas, MUCH under 400 fps velocity. Now ifn they could just make a single stroke pneumatic that could shoot CPLs at 900fps and cock at only 20lbs effort :-).
wved
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Re: God im sick of aol spam!!! anyone agree? just venting

Msg. 109966  Posted by Jerry Rhodes on May 08, 1999 at 08:15:00:

In Reply to: God im sick of aol spam!!! anyone agree? just venting posted by M Boyle on May 08, 1999 at 01:14:43:

If you try blocking you eventually end up "throwing out the baby with wash" because some of the spammer's ISP's are being used by people that you might want to hear from. I stopped "blocking" and just delete any EMail I don't recognize.

It really is irritating.

Jerry
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Is Gary LABs still around?

Msg. 109965  Posted by ephraim on May 08, 1999 at 08:11:45:

Does anyone know where Gary Labs is? He used to fix
smith and wesson and make parts to them. His old
phone number is invalid.

thanks
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dot sigts

Msg. 109964  Posted by paul on May 08, 1999 at 08:07:12:

I purchased an Adco hot shot sight for my beeman p3. What an inprovemnt, one big hole in the ten ring. Adco guarantees this sight even if it takes a direct hit from a paintball. Can I use one of these sights on my rws 45 with the recoil?
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Mac1 - http://www.mindspring.com/~airguns/ NT

Msg. 109963  Posted by PAL on May 08, 1999 at 07:48:17:

In Reply to: Steriod Streak; where and how much? NT posted by Jay on May 08, 1999 at 03:03:15:

nt
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It's the crown area: spining pellet exit angle, try CP 7.9s or VORTEK ...

Msg. 109962  Posted by vZc on May 08, 1999 at 07:36:00:

In Reply to: Me, the pellets, the gun, or what? posted by Mike Adams on May 06, 1999 at 22:45:20:

...Accuracy tamer: some claim it works = tigher groups.
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Re: AG God or Jealous Guns..

Msg. 109961  Posted by MartinL on May 08, 1999 at 07:17:14:

In Reply to: Re: AG God or Jealous Guns.. posted by David in Texas on May 07, 1999 at 23:23:18:

David..I went with an RWS48 looking down the road for the JM kit you mention from time to time. I has a .25cal, then a .20cal and finally the .22 when AG Express called to say they actually had on in 22. Anyway it fits my budget and I need the challenge. The TX200 was knocking the gonads of off fruit flies yesterday afternoon. This may not be a 50 yard gun but it thinks it is with the heavies I got from you.

Maybe late this afternoon for shooting, say 6pm. I'll have my cell phone so make sure and call to see the "lake bunnies" haven't captured me. So you got the PE. You know that was always my desire to take the PE plunge, just couldn't get past the break barrel and the final bill with scope. Now I know I'll want one once you bring your's over.

Got any ideas what went wrong with the Benji of mine? All of a sudden it passes all air on the pump stroke..ml
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Re: What is every one's favorite power-pl.null ? reasons ? nt

Msg. 109960  Posted by MikeD on May 08, 1999 at 07:13:35:

In Reply to: What is every one's favorite power-pl.null ? reasons ? nt posted by Axel on May 08, 1999 at 06:54:17:


OK. I admit it. I like spring-piston airguns because I am cheap, lazy, and stupid.

The cheap part like the self-contained powerplant. Nothing to buy save arm and ammo. No tanks, pumps, or powerlets.

The lazy part likes the one-stroke-and-forget-it cocking. No pumping, no filling, no extra widgets to carry around. No worrying about trajectory changes, temperature, or how many shots are left.

The stupid part like ths utter simplicity of their basic operating principle and construction. I actually understand them, can maintain them without help, and have on occasion even dismantled one without disaster.

So there.
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What is every one's favorite power-pl.null ? reasons ? nt

Msg. 109959  Posted by Axel on May 08, 1999 at 06:54:17:

nt
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Re: JM---Stand-up Kind of Guy

Msg. 109958  Posted by The Airgun Letter on May 08, 1999 at 05:57:40:

In Reply to: JM---Stand-up Kind of Guy posted by G. Jang on May 08, 1999 at 05:21:45:

I agree! Jim's work IS good. Have I ever said otherwise? He wasn't banned because of his work. Or didn't you know that? And to this very day, the link to his site and his info remains on the Airgun Resources Web page. I still recommend his services whenever someone calls. I'm sure there are many satisfied customers out there. And even after the ban, Jim's work was reported (and positively) in our publication. So, we're in agreement. His work is good. And his work was not the reason for the ban.

Edith Gaylord
The Airgun Letter
staff@null.null
http://www.airgunletter.null
http://www.airgunletter.com

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Information without intimidation

Msg. 109957  Posted by The Airgun Letter on May 08, 1999 at 05:51:57:

In Reply to: Is that the kind advice you gave before you banned ld? posted by Billy on May 08, 1999 at 01:23:09:

VZC was not attacking, intimidating, threatening or denigrating anyone. He was posting his own thoughts. But ld was not. He did the attacking, threatening, intimidating and denigrating posts! He was repeatedly told to not post that type of unacceptable stuff on the Airgun Forum. After 18 months, I realized he would never change. And he even expended a great deal of effort posting that he would never change. And he didn't! So he was banned. But it wasn't the only reason, if you'll recall.

Edith Gaylord
The Airgun Letter
staff@null.null
http://www.airgunletter.null
http://www.airgunletter.com

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Re: Simmons Pro Air Scopes ?

Msg. 109956  Posted by MR Bulk� on May 08, 1999 at 05:37:27:

In Reply to: Re: Simmons Pro Air Scopes ? posted by LOU V.K. on May 07, 1999 at 14:11:17:

Lou,

I must've gotten one that was actually a Mag 44 inside and just labeled Pro-Air 6-18x40 outside. It is clear, bright, and everything turns and functions with a smooth-yet-damped feeling - just like my Whitetail Classic 6�-20x50 that sadly is no longer being produced (in the very same factory that currently manufactures the vaunted Mag 44, BTW - although Natchez is currently blowing out the last new ones they have for $129.96 - a STEAL). Actually I probably just got a good one, because I also had (Had) a Pro-Air 4-12x40 that came apart internally after less than 100 shots on a mid-powered springer, so I guess there are good ones and bad ones.

And I have yet another version of the Whitetail Classic, the 4-12x44 model that is in every way the equal of the Whitetail 50 except in a lower magnification. Why is Simmons not making the WTC in these mag ranges any more? Has Blount moved the internals over to their high-end line or Mag 44 only?

MR Bulk�


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JM---Stand-up Kind of Guy

Msg. 109955  Posted by G. Jang on May 08, 1999 at 05:21:45:

There are some folks who may view JM as rather blunt and a little lacking in the social graces on the inte.null; however, I tend to view his directness as a reflection of his time constraints. Between sales, tunes, custom stocks springs and accessories, staying current with all the airgun forums, phone calls and e-mails, I'd be surpised if he has any time for any kind or personal life. Sure, there have been a couple of times that he has not responded to my e-mails, but ISP's are not foolproof. Heck, as busy as he is, he may even have overlooked them. So what! I've called him a couple of times and he's been nothing but courteous. Ask him a question and he'll give you the straight dope---no beating around the bush. Saves time. No P/C BS to wade through. He'll politely give you his opinion--take it or leave it. He's not looking for an argument. I don't think he has the time. I for one am better off for listening to what he has to say.

Anyway, getting to the point that I had originally wanted to make. Where I come from, actions speak louder than words. Awhile back, I had decided to purchase a PE from JM. When I called, he said that he had none left in stock and wouldn't be getting anymore in. He did, however, have one that had been returned because of shipping damage. He explained that it had a small ding or scratch on the end of the moderator(probably from some ham-handed carrier) and was probably just cosmetic. I figured, no biggie, and told him I'll take it and felt fortunate at that. He then offered to reduce the price somewhat.(fair minded and reasonable kind of guy) When it arrived, I mounted a B & L 4X16X50 on it and proceeded to sight it in. You know the story.(Cock airgun--insert pellet--fire--adjust scope--spackle wall--repeat,etc.) Small pebbles turned to gravel or dust at 40 yds almost without fail. A real smooth, quiet, tack driver for the first 100-150 shots. Then it started crack or diesel every few shots. Put it on the chrono and noticed a deviation with CP's of 50-60 fps. Breech seal was below flush in the breech block and the moderator seemed a little wobbly. I called JM and explained the situation to him and right away he said he knew what the problem was. Said he'd seen only one other like it and to send it back to him right away. Evidentally, the barrel was loose in the breech block--probably caused by the previous shipper. He fixed it, tested it, and shipped it back to me free of charge. Sure, you may be able to save a couple of pennies by shopping at some alpha-Mart store, but when it comes to spring piston airguns, guess who I'll be doing business with. As a matter of fact, when my PE came back, I slapped my old 48 in the very same box and sent it off to JM for a GSI tune. I can't tell you how good it makes me feel to do business with reputable people with a sense of integrity. Actions do speak louder than words.

Yours truly,
G. Jang
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Re: 6-18 Bushnell: ive got the 12X trophy..nice scope..over payed for it at Beeman though NT

Msg. 109954  Posted by Mike on May 08, 1999 at 05:09:58:

In Reply to: Re: 6-18 Bushnell: ive got the 12X trophy..nice scope..over payed for it at Beeman though NT posted by Mako on May 08, 1999 at 00:03:46:

It would be so much nicer if the image didnt wash out at high magnification. Other than that I think they are good deal.
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Re: What happened to the good old days?

Msg. 109953  Posted by E Fudd on May 08, 1999 at 04:23:45:

In Reply to: What happened to the good old days? posted by Jerry Rhodes on May 07, 1999 at 16:02:00:

I believe the maximum caliber allowed in a modern breech loading firearm is .50". I don't think this has changed since 1934. This is all irrelevent however, since this is just another ploy to illegalize more guns. A .50 can't do anything that a .30-.378 can't, so why not illegalize them too, and so on. Nevermind the fact that none of these guns are used by criminals, at least not here. Overseas where these guns are allowed to proliferate due to the British gun culture there may be some crimes involving them though.
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Re: Barrel possibilities for 2289

Msg. 109952  Posted by Whitewolf on May 08, 1999 at 03:07:41:

In Reply to: Barrel possibilities for 2289 posted by Fearon Steele on May 07, 1999 at 20:30:03:

Fearon the question is how much do you want to spend a better qual barll and machining will run you $80 to $100 or more depending on brrl??

Later Whitewolf
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maintanence for the gamo hunter 880

Msg. 109951  Posted by rob on May 08, 1999 at 03:06:28:

I've decided to purchase the gamo hunter/bsa scope combo through cabela's ($250.00). This is my first semi-quality airgun purchase and I'm concerned about it's maintanence. If anyone owns one and has suggestions or little tricks for keeping it in shape please mail me.
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Steriod Streak; where and how much? NT

Msg. 109950  Posted by Jay on May 08, 1999 at 03:03:15:

nt
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Mac-1 complaints

Msg. 109949  Posted by Tim S on May 08, 1999 at 02:52:59:

In Reply to: Re: Oh yea, did the bolt as I've done for months(nt) posted by ERIC on May 07, 1999 at 22:30:21:

I think That Tim Tries To hard to follow in his fathers footsteps
In fact He takes others Ideal and claims their his.Does anybody know
bill & Jim & Ron, Yes Tim I am From San Diego And I know the True airgun
Pioneers Don't get mad just take it for what it is. I think you should give other
some credit instead of taking all the glory
Thanks and unbiased
Tim S
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Re: ? Mod advice/referal for Benjamin 3100 pump??

Msg. 109948  Posted by Tim S on May 08, 1999 at 02:34:18:

In Reply to: ? Mod advice/referal for Benjamin 3100 pump?? posted by Billy Chapman on May 07, 1999 at 22:51:28:

Contact Bob Lutter for Parts He is listed on the info page
If you can't find his info e-mail me and I send it to you
Hope I was of help
Tim S
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P1 @ cdom@null.null

Msg. 109947  Posted by Ross on May 08, 1999 at 02:31:58:

In Reply to: Re: Was going to sell RWS 225 tomorrow, but broke today! posted by Jeff on May 07, 1999 at 19:24:30:

Cesar at cdom@null.null is a 5 star Beeman dealer. He gave me a great price on a .20 caliber P1; $297.50 w/ shipping! Good, speedy service too!
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Re: Benjamin 312 vs. 342

Msg. 109946  Posted by Tim S on May 08, 1999 at 02:31:06:

In Reply to: Benjamin 312 vs. 342 posted by Don on May 08, 1999 at 02:15:07:

The 312 is the tootsie roll model
The 342 is the later model with the full pump handle
I also know that the 342 with-out checkering is a transition model
I don't know if the have a big diffrence in power
My ben franklin 342 shoots about 595 fps at 8 pumps
with 14.3 grain crosman wadcutters
Hope I was of Help
Tim S
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Re: Barrel possibilities for 2289

Msg. 109945  Posted by TJ on May 08, 1999 at 02:30:05:

In Reply to: Barrel possibilities for 2289 posted by Fearon Steele on May 07, 1999 at 20:30:03:


the barrel would cost more than the gun.
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C40 @ http://www.Compasseco.com/

Msg. 109944  Posted by Ross on May 08, 1999 at 02:26:49:

In Reply to: Re: Was going to sell RWS 225 tomorrow, but broke today! posted by Jeff on May 07, 1999 at 19:24:30:

They are in Kentucky. The nickel C40 is $116. With the laser kit $146. Compasseco is in the US

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Benjamin 312 vs. 342

Msg. 109942  Posted by Don on May 08, 1999 at 02:15:07:

Anyone know the differences between these 2 Benjamin models? All I know is they are both .22 cal. pump rifles and I think the 312 was an earlier model. Thanks
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Re: It's probably the page size and Active-X sound plug in requirement ...

Msg. 109941  Posted by Garry L on May 08, 1999 at 02:10:50:

In Reply to: It's probably the page size and Active-X sound plug in requirement ... posted by vZc on May 07, 1999 at 21:49:58:

Thinking that the active-x music stuff could be causing some problems as well.I have no problems viewing the site but it does mess with the auto-scroll feature on my Logic-Tech trackman,I'm forced to use that old fashion scroll bar.Connected via cable modem so speed is not a problem for me.
Garry
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look for these posts to mysteriously dissappear soon(nt)

Msg. 109940  Posted by Billy on May 08, 1999 at 01:30:54:

In Reply to: Re: Gettin in the last word, Oh Yeah? Oh Yeah? (nt) posted by Jerry Rhodes on May 07, 1999 at 19:02:16:

Billy
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Re: peep for a SS

Msg. 109939  Posted by RBest on May 08, 1999 at 01:27:31:

In Reply to: peep for a SS posted by Rusty on May 08, 1999 at 01:17:19:

Rusty: I'm using the Williams Field Aperture sight on mine with no problems. I flipped the front sight over from post to bead, and raised the sight a couple notches. Worked out perfectly. I also purchased a couple different apertures for it. They are only about $6 each, so what the heck- why not? Russ
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I hear ya Burris. I miss that ornery dude too !!! NT

Msg. 109938  Posted by Jim C. on May 08, 1999 at 01:23:15:

In Reply to: I get it, if they are being a jerk,--ignore them! Good idea![where have I heard that before?} nt posted by Burris on May 08, 1999 at 00:01:18:

NT
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Is that the kind advice you gave before you banned ld?

Msg. 109937  Posted by Billy on May 08, 1999 at 01:23:09:

In Reply to: You don't have to answer if you don't want to posted by The Airgun Letter on May 07, 1999 at 15:31:10:

Lets be square here, and consistent. I had made the same statement before, that you didn't have to read his posts if you didn't want to. What gives?
Billy
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peep for a SS

Msg. 109936  Posted by Rusty on May 08, 1999 at 01:17:19:

Does anyone know where I might be able to find a peep sight for a BSA Supersport? My son like using the one on my 392 and would like to have one for his own.
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God im sick of aol spam!!! anyone agree? just venting

Msg. 109935  Posted by M Boyle on May 08, 1999 at 01:14:43:

this week alone ive gotten 20 porno and get rich quick spam from aolers..thats what the Header says anyway. ive emailed aol abuse over and over ..its making me nuts
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Question for DAS re: the Saver 9090 Super Gun.

Msg. 109934  Posted by Russ Best on May 08, 1999 at 00:40:34:

Dave: what is the difference between the Saver 7000, the Saver 909 and the 9090? Regards, Russ
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Re: s anthony ..gives me more info to think of ..was what i ment sorry about the miss type: i ordered the scope regaurdless..no FT clubs here yet 50ft is fine if you cant tweak it ..but i will send it in case

Msg. 109933  Posted by M boyle on May 08, 1999 at 00:30:30:

In Reply to: Re: okee ,,thanks anthony ..give me more info to think of a good scope from the JW80 i ordered posted by M Boyle on May 06, 1999 at 22:46:39:

my main concern was its a 36X fixed power40mm lens. and wondered if it could end up a blurr at 10yards. my trophy at 10yards is clear at 8x but 12x is iffy
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Try QTips with " Goo Gone " too!

Msg. 109932  Posted by RBest on May 08, 1999 at 00:26:45:

In Reply to: Re: Felt pellets - Who has them? (nt) posted by LOU V.K. on May 07, 1999 at 07:26:26:

Lou: another chemical that cleans barrels nicely is "Goo Gone" with it's citrus base. I had a new gun come in recently that had some crud from the manufacturing process in it that most of my normal cleaners wouldn't touch. I soaked on end of a Qtip in it an shoved it in the appropriate distance ( where the spot of crud was) and let it sit for a few minutes. I then pushed it through and followed with dry pathces. Works a Treat ! Russ
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Why they are no longer made? Cost!!! (nt)

Msg. 109931  Posted by DAS on May 08, 1999 at 00:24:01:

In Reply to: Sharp Pan Target Rifle posted by Mike Reames on May 07, 1999 at 23:49:49:


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Re: Sharp Pan Target Rifle

Msg. 109930  Posted by Andrew Leung on May 08, 1999 at 00:16:16:

In Reply to: Sharp Pan Target Rifle posted by Mike Reames on May 07, 1999 at 23:49:49:

I got one of the Ace Hunter Deluxe in .22 that is a Side lever and seldom pump past 7 as it gets close to 700 with FTS. Very Very accurate gun.
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Sharp makes wonderful guns

Msg. 109929  Posted by Denny D on May 08, 1999 at 00:08:58:

In Reply to: Sharp Pan Target Rifle posted by Mike Reames on May 07, 1999 at 23:49:49:

I have two Ace Hunters. They look beautiful and well made. My new .22 has four areas of checkering on the beautiful stock. I need to do an accuracy test on both guns to document the obvious. I did shoot my old .177 for accuracy and got ctc's of around 1/10th of an inch at ten meters, but that was a while ago. Just know that they are recoiless, very well made, and easily and incredibly accurate. No special holds are required.. it just hits what you are shooting at with whatever power you pump to. Mine pump to 23 lbs of power whenever you need it. It just gives the same great accuracy at a louder volume of sound. Squirrels or rabbits at 50' require only five pumps. For whatever it is worth. Denny D.
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Re: It's probably the page size and Active-X sound plug in requirement ...

Msg. 109928  Posted by RBest on May 08, 1999 at 00:04:07:

In Reply to: It's probably the page size and Active-X sound plug in requirement ... posted by vZc on May 07, 1999 at 21:49:58:

I had no trouble with the visual aspects of the site, but never heard any music. ( my system is attached to a Cambridge Soundworks unit w/subwoofer-- a potent unit for sure). Russ
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Re: 6-18 Bushnell: ive got the 12X trophy..nice scope..over payed for it at Beeman though NT

Msg. 109927  Posted by Mako on May 08, 1999 at 00:03:46:

In Reply to: Re: 6-18 Bushnell: ive got the 12X trophy..nice scope..over payed for it at Beeman though NT posted by M Boyle on May 07, 1999 at 21:45:41:

I bought the $119 special from Natchez. Thought it was a great buy until I saw the exact same scope for $90 at the Pomona Gun Show last weekend! :-(

But actually it's seems to me fine for the money. I'm just using it on a R7. (Just barely fits!) I also got the scope enhancer for $11.00 and it works great with the Bushnell. The Bushnell doesn't have the greatest coatings and without the enhancer I got a lot of bothersome reflections in the eyepiece. Those go away with the enhancer shading the rear. I don't think the 6X18 is super sharp, but for the price it's good. Fun picking off flies!
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Re: 6-18 Bushnell

Msg. 109926  Posted by John L on May 08, 1999 at 00:01:39:

In Reply to: Re: 6-18 Bushnell posted by JMartin on May 07, 1999 at 20:52:18:

JMartin:I sent a couple of Bushnell airgun scopes back to for warrenty work a few years ago due to their having a breif encounter with a RWS 54.The factory guy suggested I try the 6-18 Trophy made in Japan.Bushnell sells several 6-18s and he said this was the best one.I didn't give it a good test on the 54 as the 54 had soon departed,but I like the scope and still use it.I also paid $189 for it.
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I get it, if they are being a jerk,--ignore them! Good idea![where have I heard that before?} nt

Msg. 109925  Posted by Burris on May 08, 1999 at 00:01:18:

In Reply to: You don't have to answer if you don't want to posted by The Airgun Letter on May 07, 1999 at 15:31:10:

8
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Re: physics (sp?) can do funny thing to a gun. friction=heat=exspantion. cold=contraction. weight each pellet and the gun can still efect speed. it can make you nuts

Msg. 109924  Posted by M Boyle on May 07, 1999 at 23:54:45:

In Reply to: Airgun Letter May '99 p.5 chronograph statistics ... posted by The Sole pellet weight harbinger. on May 05, 1999 at 20:35:33:


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Sharp Pan Target Rifle

Msg. 109923  Posted by Mike Reames on May 07, 1999 at 23:49:49:

At The Little Rock Show, I was fortunate enough to buy a Sharp Pan Target from a friend. It's a side lever pneumatic,177 caliber, beautiful light brown wood with a lot of figure. It has an accessory rail, and target sights. I have done some basic chroning on it, and so far so good. I am not going to beat the gun up looking for performance, because 2 pumps are adequate for general target shooting. here is what I found. shooting 8.2 gr meister yellows.
1 pump, 300 fps....2 pumps, 472fps....3 pumps,581 fps... 4pumps, 650fps...5 pumps,695fps, 6 pumps,740fps, 7 pumps, 810fps. and that's as far as I went. I was told that it had been chrono'd at over 1000fps, and I see no reason it won't reach that level with a light pellet. I have not scoped it yet, and the rear sight on it is a Redfield diopter/peep. Luckily one of our friends has a SHarp rear target sight he's selling to me to make the gun complete. Accuracy at 10meters is boringly good, I need to shoot at longer ranges to see what's there. After shooting it a bit, I just can't understand why such a fine gun is no longer in production... Mike
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Re: Sheridan C9 Silver Streak with a steroid/ Billet modification

Msg. 109922  Posted by Mark Lemm on May 07, 1999 at 23:43:53:

In Reply to: Re: Sheridan C9 Silver Streak with a steroid/ Billet modification posted by jcbii on May 07, 1999 at 03:50:37:

I already owned the gun from my teenage years. I haven't recieved it back yet so I don't know the final price. I think the tune and billet lever was going to come to around $130. If you want to buy a new gun and tune the total cost is around $250. If I didn't already own the gun from 15 years ago I probably wouldn't have got the tune. For $250 you can get an R9 or similar gun. But since my initial cost of the gun was zero (it was a present I think) I figured why not.

-Mark
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Re: 6-18 Bushnell

Msg. 109921  Posted by Jim on May 07, 1999 at 23:37:49:

In Reply to: Re: 6-18 Bushnell posted by David on May 07, 1999 at 22:56:17:

Lube it is, and B&L will take care of it for you. I have had the same problem on 2 of their scopes and they repaired them very quickly.

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To find one, try a wanted ad on American Airguns. Mine are forever.

Msg. 109919  Posted by Denny D on May 07, 1999 at 23:33:39:

In Reply to: Re: Approx. 50 fps LESS than one that flys out of an Ace Hunter at 10 pumps!!!... posted by Rusty on May 07, 1999 at 21:26:04:

I have two, an old .177 and a new .22. I love them both and neither are for sale. Good luck, they are wonderful guns in every way. Denny D
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Re: Beware of Steven Flannery's web page...I finally got on...

Msg. 109918  Posted by Steve B. on May 07, 1999 at 23:31:10:

In Reply to: Beware of Steven Flannery's web page posted by LOU V.K. on May 07, 1999 at 09:56:31:

Lou VK: It blew me out of the water the first time I tried it. The second time the download took forever. It's worth a look though - Nice yard, nice window. I've run across other pages that do this also.

I'm using Navagator 4.08 (4.08???), and I usually leave Java, Java script and cookies off when I surf.

regards - Steve B.
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Re: TX200 Price

Msg. 109917  Posted by RBest on May 07, 1999 at 23:26:32:

In Reply to: Re: TX200 Price posted by Rada on May 07, 1999 at 23:12:05:

Rada: I knew that, but since most of the TX's in the US came thru Jim, I keep calling them mark 5's. I have the first mark 3 ( Maccari) that was delivered 13 or 14 months ago. ( first of the long strokes). It's my understanding that John Way sent it directly to me ( he only lives about 30 minutes from here), per JM's request. BTW, I hear you may be or are selling TX's now. Is this correct? Regards, Russ
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Re: copperhead .177 pellets: pointed vs. super match

Msg. 109916  Posted by Steve B. on May 07, 1999 at 23:25:04:

In Reply to: copperhead .177 pellets: pointed vs. super match posted by ertzog on May 07, 1999 at 17:28:26:

ertzog: I've found the same thing. And yeah, the points really bury themselves. The Copperhead Match, Pointed, and Round Nose all shoot the same groups size and in what I'm using them in they also shoot the tightest groups, How can a guy brag on his pellets when he only pays $3.90/500? Heh heh...

HTH - Steve B.
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Re: AG God or Jealous Guns..

Msg. 109915  Posted by David in Texas on May 07, 1999 at 23:23:18:

In Reply to: AG God or Jealous Guns.. posted by MartinL on May 07, 1999 at 19:23:55:

Martin: Sorry to hear about you 392. What .22 have your ordered? I can't wait to come over and try my Pro-Elite .22 and Leupold scope. I clicked centered the scope knobs and it shoots dead on in the garage. Can't wait to try it at 50 yards. David in Texas.
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Re: Eric- you don't see my posts??????

Msg. 109914  Posted by RBest on May 07, 1999 at 23:18:35:

In Reply to: Re: Eric- you don't see my posts?????? posted by ERIC on May 07, 1999 at 22:07:23:

Looks like my son the time he bit into a big lemon, thinking it was an orange. EEEyyyyoouu. Puckerpower. RB
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Sow's ear out of a silk purse.

Msg. 109913  Posted by Jerry Rhodes on May 07, 1999 at 23:13:16:

About 2 weeks ago I removed the Weaver scope that I had mounted on my PE II .22 and glued a Williams streamlined ramp and a 1/16" white bead front sight to the bbl about 3/4" from the end of the muzzle. On the rear I mounted a Williams FP-AG peep sight with the .093 hole peep that came with it. After a pleasant afternoon getting it to shoot where I was looking I "set it and forgot it" and started getting to know it.

I shot 4 cotton tails in one turn through the pasture at distances of from 35 up to 47 yds. One shot in the "boiler room" was enough on each. We barbequed them that evening. Today I went out and nailed a jackrabbit right at sundown that was in the string beans. One shot in the upper, forward chest area did the job. 55 yds measured. Spent the next 30 min or so shooting at a 5" cactus pad at 62 yds. All of the pellets impacted within a 2" circle centered on the pad. I find the "any metallic sight" set up easier for me to manage off hand. I think that the magnification of the scope causes me to think too much and thinking DOES interfere with your shooting. It sure has turned out to be a nice setup for me.

The "Automotive Goop" that I used to stick the ramp on is holding well with repeated handling.

Hmmmmmmmmmmm............ I wonder if Mr. Wiscombe can make me a rifle with peep sights on it.......................

Jerry
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Re: 6-18 Bushnell

Msg. 109912  Posted by wved on May 07, 1999 at 23:12:17:

In Reply to: Re: 6-18 Bushnell posted by David on May 07, 1999 at 22:56:17:

Hi David! I've got spots inside the lens of my 4x12x40 Trophy also. I thought it was just a blotchy lens coating but you may be right. wved
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Re: Russ: what sort of groups are you getting at 50 yds? (nt)

Msg. 109911  Posted by RBest on May 07, 1999 at 23:12:09:

In Reply to: Russ: what sort of groups are you getting at 50 yds? (nt) posted by DAS on May 07, 1999 at 22:25:48:

Dave: just set up a new 40 yard range in back, and the Ace was shooting 1" groups without a benchrest, but with my left elbow on the picnic table. I was using 8 pumps for the 40 yard work and 6 pumps at 30 yards. The thing I like about it is I need no adjustments to the scope. If it's farther away, just add a couple pumps, and your POI stays spot on. I'll do some more with it Sunday- if it doesn't rain. This time, I'll use a benchrest, and I expect to see tighter grouping. As it is, I obliterated the bullseye on one of those Shoot N See Woodchuck targets with over 30 shots ( 14.3 Premiers) at 40 yards. At 23 ft/lbs and recoilless-- this gun is a serious hunter. Russ
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Re: TX200 Price

Msg. 109910  Posted by Rada on May 07, 1999 at 23:12:05:

In Reply to: Re: TX200 Price posted by RBest on May 07, 1999 at 18:21:02:

Russ the Mark III is the last version AA makes. The Mark V is something Mr. Maccari offers. But the factory confirmed they are at the Mark III version only. If you remember I was confused at first also. But that is the latest word.
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Re: Beware of Steven Flannery's web page

Msg. 109909  Posted by - on May 07, 1999 at 23:06:37:

In Reply to: Beware of Steven Flannery's web page posted by LOU V.K. on May 07, 1999 at 09:56:31:

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Re: 6-18 Bushnell

Msg. 109908  Posted by David on May 07, 1999 at 22:56:17:

In Reply to: 6-18 Bushnell posted by JMartin on May 07, 1999 at 20:19:15:

I've had 2 of these scopes and am sending the second one back now. They both developed spots on the inside of the objective lens after a few shots through my R-1. I assume that the spots were caused by lubricants on the inside of the scopes being thrown forward at firing.
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Re: 6-18 Bushnell

Msg. 109907  Posted by Greg J on May 07, 1999 at 22:52:23:

In Reply to: 6-18 Bushnell posted by JMartin on May 07, 1999 at 20:19:15:

I have the scope from Natchez for $119. It has a full factory warranty. you wont beat that value anywhere.
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? Mod advice/referal for Benjamin 3100 pump??

Msg. 109906  Posted by Billy Chapman on May 07, 1999 at 22:51:28:

I have a '60s Benjamin 3100 pump/bb that's missing the over-barrel magazine [apparently very hard to find] and the bolt. I'm pondering the feasability of converting this gun to a single shot pellet/bb. Seems that all that would need to be done is to enlarge the chamber opening from the bb sized hole to a rectangular opening as on a Sheridan etc.and replace the missing bolt. I'd like to replace the existing front sight with a "single-decker" barrel thru type, and put on a Sheridan type open rear sight. Probably sounds crazy to do all this to such a dinosaur, but I like the "vibes" I get from these older guns and actually do shoot them [I have others] quite a bit.. Any suggestions as to who might do a nice job of this? thanks...... BC
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Re: Diana Model 34

Msg. 109904  Posted by ERIC on May 07, 1999 at 22:36:45:

In Reply to: Diana Model 34 posted by Bryan on May 07, 1999 at 22:18:30:

well, I don't have a chronograph either, nor access to one, but from what I hear, I'd estimate it to be in the low 600's to the lower 700s.
Probably between 670-715 fps. This is just a rought estimation, so someone with a chronograph and the same rifle could probably tell you better.
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B-Square mount for 392

Msg. 109903  Posted by Rusty on May 07, 1999 at 22:35:05:

I would like to play a little with a scope for my 392. I see that B-square makes a mount that mounts in the same holes that are used for the peep sight. Has anyone had any experience with this mount?
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Steroid or not...

Msg. 109902  Posted by DAS on May 07, 1999 at 22:32:02:

In Reply to: pumping a 392 posted by Rusty on May 07, 1999 at 21:52:18:

It's generally a good idea to put a couple of pumps into it when storing your rifle.

Dave

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Re: Oh yea, did the bolt as I've done for months(nt)

Msg. 109901  Posted by ERIC on May 07, 1999 at 22:30:21:

In Reply to: Oh yea, did the bolt as I've done for months(nt) posted by Martinl on May 07, 1999 at 22:10:38:

Oh. Then .... um.. I don't know, maybe it was some supernatural powers.
( subject change) This is the first complaint you've had about the steriod? As always, I have managed to find complaints about mine.
short list
1. there's a crack on the forearm that wasn't there before I shipped it off

2. some wood was also chipped off the forearm.

3. accuracy seems to drift. (this probably doesn't have anything to do with the tune, cause it had this problem before I got the tune.)

LD, Mac-1, please don't take offence at this. I'm just naturally a nitpicker and like to search for these kind of things

ERiC
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Russ: what sort of groups are you getting at 50 yds? (nt)

Msg. 109900  Posted by DAS on May 07, 1999 at 22:25:48:

In Reply to: Re: Approx. 50 fps LESS than one that flys out of an Ace Hunter at 10 pumps!!!... posted by RBest on May 07, 1999 at 21:15:23:


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Re: WHAT PELLETS FOR SUPERSPORT

Msg. 109899  Posted by Jim R on May 07, 1999 at 22:24:22:

In Reply to: WHAT PELLETS FOR SUPERSPORT posted by bob on May 07, 1999 at 13:25:16:

For accuracy: RWS SuperMag, or Marksman Medalist wadcutters

For hunting/FTS: Crosman Premier, or Beeman Kodiak

Enjoy

Jim R
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I stand corrected!!! You are absolutley correct, Eric...

Msg. 109898  Posted by DAS on May 07, 1999 at 22:23:23:

In Reply to: Re: Approx. 50 fps LESS than one that flys out of an Ace Hunter at 10 pumps!!!... posted by ERIC on May 07, 1999 at 22:15:07:

With both rifles pumped 10X, the Ace Hunter is about 50 fps, or 2.5 ft.lbs more powerfull than the .22 cal. Steroid.

Thanks for setting me straight!

Dave

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Great service @Golden Toller, mailed order on Monday, received today (nt)

Msg. 109897  Posted by DaveC on May 07, 1999 at 22:22:10:

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Re: pumping a 392

Msg. 109895  Posted by ERIC on May 07, 1999 at 22:20:22:

In Reply to: pumping a 392 posted by Rusty on May 07, 1999 at 21:52:18:

Is it a steriod? If so, then yes. I usually store mine with about 4-5 pumps in it. The steriod has a real hard seal that likes being stored with pressure.
Not a steriod? then you don't have to store it with pressure in it.however, I've heard some companies say it's good to store multi-pumps with 1 pump in it to prevent airal contamination, or something like that. Frankly, I've always stored regular pump ups without any pumps in them and never had a problem.

HTH
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Diana Model 34

Msg. 109894  Posted by Bryan on May 07, 1999 at 22:18:30:

What would you say would be a very approx. guess that my Model 34 in .22 cal. would be shooting at in fps. I know that what the factory says and what the gun says can be two diffrent values.This gun is a strong shooter so I know the spring is in good condition.I don't have a cronograph but in your opinion and experience what would be a safe guess. The pellets I shoot are rws superdome.
I just what to compare this guns fps to that of the RX1. Thanks
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Re: Approx. 50 fps LESS than one that flys out of an Ace Hunter at 10 pumps!!!...

Msg. 109893  Posted by ERIC on May 07, 1999 at 22:15:07:

In Reply to: Approx. 50 fps LESS than one that flys out of an Ace Hunter at 10 pumps!!!... posted by DAS on May 07, 1999 at 21:10:34:

WHAT?
Aw, I had always thought the steriod 392 packed more power. Here's a email i recieved when I asked Tim about steriod 392.

"Ft. lbs. is 26 at 14 pumps with 29 grainer. FPS w/ 14.3 graner at 10 pumps would
be around 750"

maybe you meant with both pumped 10 times, the sharp would have more power?
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Oh yea, did the bolt as I've done for months(nt)

Msg. 109892  Posted by Martinl on May 07, 1999 at 22:10:38:

In Reply to: Re: AG God or Jealous Guns.. posted by ERIC on May 07, 1999 at 20:41:32:

x
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Re: Eric- you don't see my posts??????

Msg. 109891  Posted by ERIC on May 07, 1999 at 22:07:23:

In Reply to: Eric- you don't see my posts?????? posted by RBest on May 07, 1999 at 20:50:51:

Uhh, I wasn't really looking very hard. I kind of just glanced down the page real fast.

^-^ ( my version of a smiley face, looks a little like the ones on japenese anime, huh?)
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pumping a 392

Msg. 109890  Posted by Rusty on May 07, 1999 at 21:52:18:

In Reply to: Re: What exactly is a peep on a 392 steroid upgrade? posted by DAS on May 07, 1999 at 20:22:34:

I keep hearing about storeing a gun with presure on it. Does this mean I should put my 392 away in this manner also?
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My web page has changed....any tips????????????????

Msg. 109889  Posted by Leighton Hood From New Zealand on May 07, 1999 at 21:52:00:

I have changed the information on my web page to include more about my hunting , and what there is available to hunt in New Zealand.If you could please give me some comments for improvement or for shorter,better pictures, it would be appreciated,and I will acknowledge you on my page!!!!

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It's probably the page size and Active-X sound plug in requirement ...

Msg. 109888  Posted by vZc on May 07, 1999 at 21:49:58:

In Reply to: Beware of Steven Flannery's web page posted by LOU V.K. on May 07, 1999 at 09:56:31:

No problem viewing with current version IE 5.0 under NT 4.0 Workstation + SP5.

It will probably consume a lot of narrow (28.8 kps) bandwidth download time and the music does'nt help either on marginal systems.

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Re: 6-18 Bushnell: ive got the 12X trophy..nice scope..over payed for it at Beeman though NT

Msg. 109887  Posted by M Boyle on May 07, 1999 at 21:45:41:

In Reply to: Re: 6-18 Bushnell posted by JMartin on May 07, 1999 at 20:52:18:


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Re: copperhead .177 pellets: pointed vs. super match

Msg. 109886  Posted by Rusty on May 07, 1999 at 21:35:45:

In Reply to: copperhead .177 pellets: pointed vs. super match posted by ertzog on May 07, 1999 at 17:28:26:

I believe you will find that the bigest reason someone would want to use the match type pellets would be if they were in a paper match. The broad flat fron surface cuts a larger hole in the paper thus making scoring easier and in case a shot is close to the line the larger hole could mean the differnce between droping a point.
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Re: Who's got the Ace Hunter?

Msg. 109885  Posted by RBest on May 07, 1999 at 21:30:29:

In Reply to: Re: Who's got the Ace Hunter? posted by Don Sills on May 07, 1999 at 21:25:40:

Don: for the time being at least, you'll be looking for used ones. Lets hope the Yen:Dollar situation improves. Russ
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Re: Approx. 50 fps LESS than one that flys out of an Ace Hunter at 10 pumps!!!...

Msg. 109884  Posted by Rusty on May 07, 1999 at 21:26:04:

In Reply to: Approx. 50 fps LESS than one that flys out of an Ace Hunter at 10 pumps!!!... posted by DAS on May 07, 1999 at 21:10:34:

Where can an Ace be had? I hear Dave was the only one importing them and he does not import them any more. Any sugestions???
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Re: Who's got the Ace Hunter?

Msg. 109883  Posted by Don Sills on May 07, 1999 at 21:25:40:

In Reply to: Re: Approx. 50 fps LESS than one that flys out of an Ace Hunter at 10 pumps!!!... posted by RBest on May 07, 1999 at 21:15:23:



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Re: Approx. 50 fps LESS than one that flys out of an Ace Hunter at 10 pumps!!!...

Msg. 109881  Posted by RBest on May 07, 1999 at 21:15:23:

In Reply to: Approx. 50 fps LESS than one that flys out of an Ace Hunter at 10 pumps!!!... posted by DAS on May 07, 1999 at 21:10:34:

Dave: I love this Ace- Stuck the RWS 450 ( really a Simmons) scope on it, and I have to work at missing! Way more accurate than I would have expected. Maybe someday DAS will mean Dave's Ace Supply? heh heh Russ
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Re: Several web sites do this to me

Msg. 109880  Posted by Ken Hildebrand on May 07, 1999 at 21:11:42:

In Reply to: Re: Several web sites do this to me posted by LOU V.K. on May 07, 1999 at 12:27:06:

Howzabout trading some of those Hakko scopes for a brand new iMac in any flavor you choose ?

;>)

Mine works great using Nutscrape Communicator 4.5; my ISP connects me up usually at 45333; didn't have any problems loading Steven Flannery's sight (I like his picture with the machine gun--would make a great PC desktop wallpaper at work !

Ken
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Approx. 50 fps LESS than one that flys out of an Ace Hunter at 10 pumps!!!...

Msg. 109879  Posted by DAS on May 07, 1999 at 21:10:34:

In Reply to: 392 steroid: Anyone know about how fast a 14 grain .22 flys out of a 392 steroid at 14 pumps? posted by Dan on May 07, 1999 at 21:03:56:

That is, approx. 770 fps for the .22 cal. Steroid.

Dave

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Re: Translation (At least Jerry knows the diference between " spanish " and portuguese. Thanks Jerry!

Msg. 109878  Posted by Jerry Rhodes on May 07, 1999 at 21:04:15:

In Reply to: Translation (At least Jerry knows the diference between " spanish " and portuguese. Thanks Jerry! posted by Pedro Marcos on May 07, 1999 at 13:32:48:

Pedro,

The Spanish language DOES exist in Mexico. No verdadero Mexicano would be caught dead speaking any real "gachupin" language. :-) I should have known that "portes" was "flete". I have replied to you guys in fun saying that you sure wrote "spanish" badly.

You have been ausente for a while. Glad to see you back.

Recuerdos del oso, el animal mas pesado,

Jerry
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392 steroid: Anyone know about how fast a 14 grain .22 flys out of a 392 steroid at 14 pumps?

Msg. 109877  Posted by Dan on May 07, 1999 at 21:03:56:

Thanks for any answers.
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Re: What gun brings back the memories for you?

Msg. 109876  Posted by Bob G. on May 07, 1999 at 21:03:24:

In Reply to: Re: What gun brings back the memories for you? posted by JDBraddy on May 02, 1999 at 05:13:19:

The gun that comes to mind for me is an old Crossman 140. My dad bought the gun for $20.00 at a garge sale, I was 11 years old. We must have shot a million rounds through it. A friend and I would go out to the creek behind the house and shoot pretty much anything that moved. Our favorate was lizzards as they sunned themselves on the big rocks,we would compete who could the most. We had a great time.
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Re: 6-18 Bushnell

Msg. 109875  Posted by JMartin on May 07, 1999 at 20:52:18:

In Reply to: Re: 6-18 Bushnell posted by LOU V.K. on May 07, 1999 at 20:26:29:

Their add actually says it's a Trophy model, is that better or worse? Good point on the custom lab job. Thanks
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Eric- you don't see my posts??????

Msg. 109874  Posted by RBest on May 07, 1999 at 20:50:51:

In Reply to: Re: What exactly is a peep on a 392 steroid upgrade? posted by ERIC on May 07, 1999 at 20:29:27:

You must have an RB block in your harddrive! ;>) RB
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Re: AG God or Jealous Guns..

Msg. 109873  Posted by ERIC on May 07, 1999 at 20:41:32:

In Reply to: AG God or Jealous Guns.. posted by MartinL on May 07, 1999 at 19:23:55:

Did you forget to pull the bolt back until you hear the click before you pump? If you do, all the air comes out instead of being held in. Doing that isn't good for your steriod benjy but sometimes I forget about the bolt and pump anyways too, and I haven't noticed a big difference yet.

HTH
ERIC
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Re: i will pay alot for full auto bb gun

Msg. 109872  Posted by WJS/wi/usa on May 07, 1999 at 20:40:34:

In Reply to: i will pay alot for full auto bb gun posted by rich on May 06, 1999 at 13:44:26:

Why don't you contact the guys from the Little Rock show with the "Mini-Gun" BB gun. It was full auto and would cut a soda can in half in seconds. Really pretty cool. I'm sure someone on the list has the name of the guys who make them.

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Re: copperhead .177 pellets: pointed vs. super match

Msg. 109871  Posted by ERIC on May 07, 1999 at 20:37:20:

In Reply to: copperhead .177 pellets: pointed vs. super match posted by ertzog on May 07, 1999 at 17:28:26:

Hmmm. I've always found domes to be more accurate than pointeds. And flatheads like the supermatch more accurate too, at reasonably close ranges. I think the supermatch are supposed to be better made.

HTH ( but I doubt it)
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Re: BSA Super 10 Sling

Msg. 109870  Posted by WJS/wi/usa on May 07, 1999 at 20:36:22:

In Reply to: Re: BSA Super 10 Sling posted by DonC on May 05, 1999 at 23:49:10:

The one I've got is a metal ring that fits around the 400cc buddy bottle. On the bottom is a swivel attachment that you can mount a sling on or a Harris Bi-pod. Works very well but is a little fiddly when changing/filling the bottle.

Contack Keith Mepham at B&M Mods in the UK to get it. I contacted him by e-mail with a Credit Card number and just had them ship one over. They also have some real cool bull-pup stocks for most guns and lots of really neat goodies for airgunners. Nice guys to deal with and very honest.

His e-mail is: bandmmods@null.null

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Re: WHAT PELLETS FOR SUPERSPORT

Msg. 109869  Posted by ERIC on May 07, 1999 at 20:32:08:

In Reply to: WHAT PELLETS FOR SUPERSPORT posted by bob on May 07, 1999 at 13:25:16:

Pellet guns often like different pellets. Just because someones like one kind doesn't mean yours will. But good pellets to try are marksman fts ( might be a little heavy though), crosman premiers, and you might want to test out some of the rws ones as well.
HTH
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Barrel possibilities for 2289

Msg. 109868  Posted by Fearon Steele on May 07, 1999 at 20:30:03:

Would anyone have any ideas for an after market barrel for the Crosman 2289? I suppose whatever replaces the stock one would have to be modified to accept the transfer point. I think with a better quality barrel and a scope it would make a great economy tear down rifle.
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Re: What exactly is a peep on a 392 steroid upgrade?

Msg. 109867  Posted by ERIC on May 07, 1999 at 20:29:27:

In Reply to: What exactly is a peep on a 392 steroid upgrade? posted by Dan on May 07, 1999 at 20:11:29:

A peep sight. It will improve the accuracy of the 392. The 'iron" sights are too spectacular. I consider it a good buy.
Were you asking for a describtion of it?
Well, it's a circle you look through to aim with. Place the front sight in the middle and you're ready to shoot. the one that goes with the ben/sher guns is a williams. Side adjustment isn't to controled, you just have to tap it lightly and hope turning the screws wont move it. elevation adjustment is more controlled.Link below to where you can get a peep.

HTH,
ERIC ( BTW, if anyone knows, where have all the greats gone? I've been gone a while so please excuse me if this is a particularly stupid question. RB, LD, and mac-1 used to post frequently, but haven't seen thier posts.THanks)

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Re: 6-18 Bushnell

Msg. 109866  Posted by LOU V.K. on May 07, 1999 at 20:26:29:

In Reply to: 6-18 Bushnell posted by JMartin on May 07, 1999 at 20:19:15:

After sending a multitude of these back to BandL Sport optic in Overland Pk.,Ks.,I discovered that the rebuilt scopes were better than the new from the box stuff.I equate this to running a scope through a 'custom shop' for upgrading. Another factor is,the scope had failed in some manner for someone else.Now,it has been totally checked out in a lab,not coming off of some assembly line in the orient. I don't particularly like the Banner 6-18X40,but,for a lab rebuilt one at the asking price,not too bad.
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Re: What exactly is a peep on a 392 steroid upgrade?

Msg. 109865  Posted by DAS on May 07, 1999 at 20:22:34:

In Reply to: What exactly is a peep on a 392 steroid upgrade? posted by Dan on May 07, 1999 at 20:11:29:

Dan,

You are probably referring to the #64 Williams peep sight. This upgraded sight can be attached to any of the current Benjamin-Sheridan models. Price: $24.95 + S&H.

Dave

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6-18 Bushnell

Msg. 109864  Posted by JMartin on May 07, 1999 at 20:19:15:

Saw a thread claiming Natchez had above scope for $119...checked site, it's true..only it's a factory refurb. Anyone have any experience with these? I have same coming from Cabelas that I can cancel and save $90. Thanks. Do you think the refurb comes with full factory warranty? Natchez is closed now so can't ask til tomorrow a.m.
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Re: Sheridan C9 Silver Streak with a steroid/ Billet modification

Msg. 109863  Posted by ERIC on May 07, 1999 at 20:17:54:

In Reply to: Sheridan C9 Silver Streak with a steroid/ Billet modification posted by Tyler Hathaway on May 07, 1999 at 01:01:36:

Okay, first, the streak will have more power than your BSA, but some people find pumping it up to be tiresome. Your SS will be more accurate.This is a good gun, easily comparable to the supersport. You won't be disapointed that you bought this.

Side note: storing is a little tricky, confused me at first. You pull the bolt back until you hear a click( but don't pull it so far back it cocks). Then put at least 2-3 pumps into it, as the extremely hard seal likes being stored with some pressure. Even 14 pumps would be better than none. Now close it back up and Poof, it properly stored.
HTH
ERIC

Want some more general info about the steriod streak? look below ( this is long so stop reading if you don't want to see all of it).
Mac-1 has modified Sheridans for around 2 decades now and my approach
changes as the guns have evolved. I could at one point many years back simply
install an adjustable piston, a better check valve, and a beefier hammer
spring and we could coax 900 out of most 5mm's. Things have changed a great
deal. To get that type of performance nowadays from an early dan as I call
Sheridans you would need to machine the valve, remanufacturer the lever or
replace with billet, fabricate custom inlet and outlet seals as well as do
the custom piston. It actually is a little easier to
start with the new gun and go billet/steriod/williams straight away and You
don't have to fuss with whether the gun can take the stress etc. But it
isn't cheap and if you have an old C laying around with a blown check or
leaky valve you just might have a gem in the rough.
Early model C and CB. The basic tune is $45 which uses upgraded factory
components and Mac-1's check valve. What get's done on a $65 steriod tune?
For the additional $20 I remachine the valve body to receive
Mac-1's delrin outlet valve, install a custom adjustable piston, beef up
the factory lever, and tune the gun to around 900 fps.
What's a billet lever? $40 option on new gun.
The factory discontinued the levers for the C and CB several years ago. I
tooled up to remanufacture the factory lever with new pivot bearing. When
buckled levers came in we could not fix the guns. We were forced to do a
billet lever cause we were completely out of levers. Billet anything is
defined as made from solid stock. In this case the lever
arm is machined from solid steel and the part is far more rigid than the
stock item. Made with a replaceable hardened steel bushing at the primary
pivot this lever is what I call the lastlever because it will literally
last forever. Billet levers are available for new and old model guns but
when fitting the billet to any C or CB the customer is advised to also
replace the early front plug with a late model brass plug($15) to make sure
the front end is solid and the pins don't slip out. So the total to do a
billet steriod to an early Sheridan is $120 plus transpo. These will shoot
over 900 in .20 with light ammo at 14 pumps.
Late Model C9A, CB9A, 397 or 392.
Steriod Tune $65 on your gun. Adds $40 to the price of a new gun. The late
model gun gets a little different treatment. I do the custom piston, delrin
stem, and beef the factory lever. I also do a bolt probe modification to
inhance airflow and of course the two stage trigger is tuned to a 1 lb take
up and 2-3 lb. break. The billet lever(adds $40) is especially popular with
the new guns. It makes the lever feel like a quality car door shutting vs. a
cheap one.
Williams Peep Option(add $25 to gun purchase or repair).
In the last 8 years the Benjamins/Sheridans have had predrilled holes on
the right side of breech. If your gun doesn't have holes on the right side
you will have to have them drilled and tapped for an additonal $10 to fit
the peep.
Dovetail Option(add $25 to gun purchase or repair).
For the last four years or so the breech has been produced from round
material and is wide enough for us to cut dovetails directly in the breech
for a sure grip between gun and scope. It is fairly awkward to fit a scope
to any underlever pump pnuematic because the most favorable spot for
holding the gun is being taken by the scope. I highly recommend the peep
for that reason. If you must fit a scope you want to glue the factory base
on if you choose to use that. The better approach is to dovetail the breech
but as both will force you into extremely short
scopes and/or high mounts it seems a poor choice at best. The cheekpiece
will become a chin piece, plus cocking and pumping effort will increase.
PB option (adds $20 to the price of a C9A). This action is polished brass and
the plug and bolt are black finished. All new guns we sell, even in stock
trim get the beefy lever modification which is essentially a third pin in
the forearm to help take the stress off the lever. If you don't want this
third pin done be sure to let us know. It is standard on all
Benjamins/Sheridans guns sold at Mac-1. The only exception is a billet
lever gun which doesn't need the third pin because the lever is so strong.
50 year Commemorative PB option (adds $40 to the price of a C9A). Please
let me know if this is for collectors sake or not because if your going to
shoot it you should do the beefy lever mod. If your just going to stuff it
away the third pin would detract from collectors value to the terminally
anal collectors. This comes with a cleaning kit in cordura case. It has a
badge in the wood, a patch, and a certificate of authenticity.
Prices for guns:
Benjamin 392 or 397 $130 Black .22 or .177 pump rifle
Benjamin S397 $135 Chrome plated .177 pump rifle
Sheridan CB9A $140 Black .20 pump rifle
Sheridan C9A $145 Chrome plated .20 pump rifle
Sheridan C9 PB $165 Polished Brass .20 pump rifle
Sheridan C9 PB COM $185 Polished Brass Commemorative .20 pump rifle
EB 17 or 20 $99.95 Black .177 or .20 CO2 pistol
HB 17, 20, or 22 $109.95 Black .177, .20, .22 pump pistol
H17,or 20 $116.95 Chrome plated .177 or .20 pump pistol
H20 PB $140 Polished Brass .20 pump pistol



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What exactly is a peep on a 392 steroid upgrade?

Msg. 109862  Posted by Dan on May 07, 1999 at 20:11:29:

Thanks for any answers.
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The only site for Air Arms Info and Details - http://www.air-arms.com (NT)

Msg. 109861  Posted by Pedro Mateus on May 07, 1999 at 20:07:46:

(NT)

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Re: Diana Rifles

Msg. 109860  Posted by MikeD on May 07, 1999 at 20:05:14:

In Reply to: Diana Rifles posted by Dick (UK) on May 07, 1999 at 08:57:39:


The 34 is a sound, but very basic gun. It is accurate, powerful, has a good quality barrel and a decent trigger. But the stock is very plain and the firing behavior is not subtle.

The Theoben is really in a different class with its gas-strut powerplant, nice stock optimized for scope use, and hand-finished touches.
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Re: Got my Supersport .22 cal today!!!!!

Msg. 109859  Posted by Dan B. on May 07, 1999 at 20:04:48:

In Reply to: Got my Supersport .22 cal today!!!!! posted by Jake Morris on May 06, 1999 at 23:25:12:

Jake:
Be aware of the pointed Crosman pellets you are using. They really are not intended for use in precision spring air guns and can cause early spring failure because of a loose fit in the chamber...it happened with my model 34...good luck hunting.

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My sentiments exactly, Bubba. Yep, that's juuuust what I was thinking. (nt)

Msg. 109858  Posted by ToddN on May 07, 1999 at 19:58:23:

In Reply to: Re: Gettin in the last word posted by Bubba on May 07, 1999 at 19:30:12:

b
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Re: AG God or Jealous Guns..

Msg. 109857  Posted by ToddN on May 07, 1999 at 19:51:37:

In Reply to: AG God or Jealous Guns.. posted by MartinL on May 07, 1999 at 19:23:55:

It sounds to me like a classic case of Darwinian
evolution. Until now I thought the stuff was
pretty outrageous, but I would say you have an
AG-god on your hands: a more sophisticated
form of the AG virus we talked about a few weeks ago,
better adapted now so as to ever more cloud
one's perceptions of what's really going on in
their lives. Just try and remain rational about
things. (but if you have a $2000 airgun in your collection
I'm too late - your fate is sealed)

good luck
Todd
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Re: Just ordered TX 200 from JM

Msg. 109856  Posted by JMartin on May 07, 1999 at 19:48:26:

In Reply to: Re: Just ordered TX 200 from JM posted by MartinL on May 07, 1999 at 19:27:26:

Great minds think alike I guess! I ordered my TX from Jim yesterday...6-18x Bush from Cabelas today!
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Re: Got my Supersport .22 cal today!!!!!

Msg. 109855  Posted by RBest on May 07, 1999 at 19:42:35:

In Reply to: Re: Got my Supersport .22 cal today!!!!! posted by Jake Morris on May 07, 1999 at 00:15:40:

Jake- no Weavers for the Beesa. The Maxi Grip rails on some BSA's ( like the SS) have rubber isolator strips under them to aid in dampening recoil, hence they wanted a wider than normal base for stability. The new Silverstars have a standard base though, as does the Super 10. Be patient, good news is in the works. Russ
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Re: AG God or Jealous Guns..

Msg. 109854  Posted by RBest on May 07, 1999 at 19:37:22:

In Reply to: AG God or Jealous Guns.. posted by MartinL on May 07, 1999 at 19:23:55:

Martin: every once in a while, after a new purchase is introduced to my gun cab.null, I hear noises coming from inside. It's my belief they jockey for position in there, trying to be the one closest to the door! ;>) Russ
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Re: Gettin in the last word

Msg. 109852  Posted by Bubba on May 07, 1999 at 19:30:12:

In Reply to: Re: Gettin in the last word posted by ToddN on May 07, 1999 at 19:16:31:

See I told ya'll it wasn't gender specific. I think Earthwoman (Edith) is showing an unhumaniod amount of restraint, resisting my taunting. How long can she last before she speaks?

Disclaimer:
Mrs. Gaylord's comments were well taken, and offered sage advise. The comments and post by this writer are meant to be humorous, and do not represent any disrespect to anyone.

Respectfully,
Bubba
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Re: Just ordered TX 200 from JM

Msg. 109851  Posted by MartinL on May 07, 1999 at 19:27:26:

In Reply to: Just ordered TX 200 from JM posted by AHH on May 07, 1999 at 19:18:45:

AHH..My only complaint today with my TX200 from JM is boredom! I hit everything I shoot at, holes only getting bigger by shots placed so close to the last. I ain't joking..the combo of the scope and gun you got is the exact duplicate I have, in a MK5 version.

PS Mine likes CP heavies..ml
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Re: Was going to sell RWS 225 tomorrow, but broke today!

Msg. 109850  Posted by Jeff on May 07, 1999 at 19:24:30:

In Reply to: Got a new RWS C-225, I'm selling it tomorrow!! posted by Jeff on May 07, 1999 at 09:24:16:

I wrote about a screw falling out of my new C-225, well I guess that was just the start of a jinxed gun. Earlier today the slide jammed and I couldn't get the pellets out. After I finally got it to open the release would only work sometimes and wouldn't go back into place. So, I took it back for the old store credit and for $10 less got the Beretta 92fs. A better gun I will say, still not what I'm looking for. The 92 feels nicer to hold and seemed more powerful. I think my C-225 was a dud. Although the 92 looks awful it shoots better than the C-255 and has better sites. Anyway I'm still selling it, maybe a new rifle is in order.
Ross: Is your good deal on that gun in the US? Cause I'm in Canada and couldn't find anyone to ship the C-225 across the border, they said technically it should make it but customs doesn't seem to think so.
Jeff
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AG God or Jealous Guns..

Msg. 109849  Posted by MartinL on May 07, 1999 at 19:23:55:

I ordered a .22 cal rifle today and now, just this afternoon, my 392 Steroid decided to pass all the air during the pump stroke instead of holding it. This is the first instance on complaint since I received the gun some 2-3 months ago. My thought is that the "Benjamin knew there was a new kid coming to the block and got jealous!" If not that then the God of air guns provided me with the wisdom to order when I did so not to be out of .22 cal fire power..ml
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Re: shhhhhhhhhhh! NT

Msg. 109848  Posted by bubba on May 07, 1999 at 19:19:16:

In Reply to: Re: Gettin in the last word posted by RBest on May 07, 1999 at 19:00:33:

NT

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Just ordered TX 200 from JM

Msg. 109846  Posted by AHH on May 07, 1999 at 19:18:45:

Thanks to all! I have been reading the mail for some time. After reading digesting your comments I decided to get a TX 200 from JM. Also have placed order the Bushnell Trophy 6x18x40. All your comments were VERY helpful. Thanks again for support and help!
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Re: Gettin in the last word

Msg. 109845  Posted by ToddN on May 07, 1999 at 19:16:31:

In Reply to: Re: Gettin in the last word posted by bubba on May 07, 1999 at 18:55:19:

Comedian, Mark Lowry, said his mother only wanted one
thing out of life...just ONE, SINGLE, SOLITARY THING...
the LAST WORD!
But that's not what THIS post is about. No siree...not me.
I couldn't care less who has the last word. :)

Todd
(I really don't!)
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Re: Gettin in the last word, Oh Yeah? Oh Yeah? (nt)

Msg. 109844  Posted by Jerry Rhodes on May 07, 1999 at 19:02:16:

In Reply to: Re: Gettin in the last word posted by RBest on May 07, 1999 at 19:00:33:



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Re: Gettin in the last word

Msg. 109843  Posted by RBest on May 07, 1999 at 19:00:33:

In Reply to: Re: Gettin in the last word posted by bubba on May 07, 1999 at 18:55:19:

Bubba: have you reported this behavior to your sector commander? he he RB
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Re: Gettin in the last word

Msg. 109842  Posted by bubba on May 07, 1999 at 18:55:19:

In Reply to: You don't have to answer if you don't want to posted by The Airgun Letter on May 07, 1999 at 15:31:10:

Seems to me that getting in the last word is very important to some. I used to be convinced that this was a female thing, but long experience with the carbon based humanoid life forms has convinced me that this characteristic is not gender specific. I await your reply
Respectfully,
Bubba, who just could not resist
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Re: New TX on the way! Thanks

Msg. 109841  Posted by RBEst on May 07, 1999 at 18:42:31:

In Reply to: Re: New TX on the way! Thanks posted by Johnny O. on May 07, 1999 at 13:06:38:

Me too. Great deal for a BUSHNELL. RB
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Re: TX200 Price

Msg. 109839  Posted by RBest on May 07, 1999 at 18:21:02:

In Reply to: TX200 Price posted by Paul on May 07, 1999 at 16:22:53:

Paul: the current production is the Mark 5 ( here in the US). Mark 3's were made last year and I don't know whether or not you'll find a new one of them. Prices are posted ( I believe) at Jim Maccari's site. Regards, Russ
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You only pay for quality ONE time. NT

Msg. 109838  Posted by Dick Thomas-Premier Reticles on May 07, 1999 at 18:07:25:

In Reply to: Re: Simmons Pro Air Scopes ? posted by LOU V.K. on May 07, 1999 at 14:11:17:

Thanks Lou you you made a very good point.

Dick

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Re: Use by the IRA

Msg. 109836  Posted by Ron B on May 07, 1999 at 17:58:04:

In Reply to: Use by the IRA posted by Chubb on May 07, 1999 at 15:51:04:

Chubb,

In Texas it is illegal to kill people no matter what method one uses. And people seem to be just as dead if they are choked till the heart stops or they are torn to bits in an automobile accident.

However, for some reason the guns seem to have the ability to 'act on their own', if press reports are to be believed. This, to me is a strange anomaly.

As a result of this problem, I have been doing research at my home. I have six loaded handguns and a loaded shotgun. In the fifteen or so years this research has been in existence, not one weapon self discharged. Occasionally, I check to see if the ammunition is still viable.

Admittedly, this is, for the most part, unregistered stock. Registered or pedigreed guns might have a more highly strung personality and therefore be more volatile.

Right now, I am watching the Cz 52 and my PA-63 very carefully. With the NATO action in Yugoslavia, their tempers just might flare. If I get an indication of this happening, I shall lock them up separate from the ammunition and feed them only when working.

Sincerely,
Ron
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copperhead .177 pellets: pointed vs. super match

Msg. 109833  Posted by ertzog on May 07, 1999 at 17:28:26:

Tested both of these and the only difference seemed to be that the pointed went into the backstop (treated 6x6") an extra half inch.

Is the premium for the super match just to make sharp edged holes in the paper targets?

Accuracy for both seemed identical.
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Re: going crazy

Msg. 109832  Posted by Dave Monck on May 07, 1999 at 17:14:31:

In Reply to: going crazy posted by Daveg on May 07, 1999 at 14:57:21:

So far as a dumb Brit knows, what you've got is a great gun, "tweaked", I believe, by Mr. Maccari.
Buying this was a mistake as you have no-one to blame now, but yourself, for missing anything that you aim at!

Enjoy it!!

Regards

DaveM

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Re: Man, what a rifle! I just got my hw77k today.

Msg. 109831  Posted by Dave Monck on May 07, 1999 at 17:10:12:

In Reply to: Man, what a rifle! I just got my hw77k today. posted by Luis Leon on May 06, 1999 at 22:33:46:

I' currently on my 7th."K" model and my 4th. normal version. I have been tuning 12 ft pound versions since God was a boy, it seems for myself and memebers of my FT club. They are a great gun and have a really effective trigger set-up of match quality. Enjoy it!

Regards Dave m.
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Re: WHAT PELLETS FOR SUPERSPORT

Msg. 109830  Posted by Dave Monck on May 07, 1999 at 17:00:29:

In Reply to: WHAT PELLETS FOR SUPERSPORT posted by bob on May 07, 1999 at 13:25:16:

There are a load which work well but I'm not sure if they are aavilable in the USA. Eley Wasp are OK ---ish! Good results with Premiers and Bisley Long Range Gold and their Pest Control pellets.

Hope this helps

Dave M.
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TX200 Price

Msg. 109828  Posted by Paul on May 07, 1999 at 16:22:53:

I've pretty much narrowed my choice for a new gun down to a tuned R9 or a TX200. I was wondering what would be a fair price for a new TX200 MK3? Is the MK5 significantly better?
Thanks for any input. Paul G.
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What happened to the good old days?

Msg. 109826  Posted by Jerry Rhodes on May 07, 1999 at 16:02:00:

In Reply to: Use by the IRA posted by Chubb on May 07, 1999 at 15:51:04:

It wasn't too long ago that a .50 cal fixed ammo rifle (with the exception of some antiques) was considered a "destructive device". I can't figure out when they became permitted. I guess it was about the time that "joe ordinary" could own a full auto Thompson without the hassle that existed in the "old days".

Jerry
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Re: Problems dealing with OscarWild1@aol ? He has asked 100 questions and sWell maybe not 100 questions nt

Msg. 109825  Posted by Andrew Leung on May 07, 1999 at 15:53:02:

In Reply to: Re: Problems dealing with OscarWild1@aol ? He has asked 100 questions and sWell maybe not 100 questions nt posted by Anthony on May 07, 1999 at 09:31:47:

simple, charge him for having you answer the 100 questions.

If I were you, have him prove that YOU cashed the MO
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Re: Supersport...

Msg. 109824  Posted by chuck bridgeland on May 07, 1999 at 15:52:51:

In Reply to: Re: Supersport... posted by Mikael on May 07, 1999 at 14:52:15:

>You could always buy a supersport and a carbine barrel.

the cost of the barrel as a part is more than the difference in price bettween the carbine and the regular SS.

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Use by the IRA

Msg. 109823  Posted by Chubb on May 07, 1999 at 15:51:04:

In Reply to: Interesting............... posted by Ron B on May 05, 1999 at 23:42:34:

About 2'ish years a police woman was shot dead by an IRA terrorist using a barret .50 rifle.
The shot was fired from approx 1500 yards and passed cleanly through her body despite her
use of a kevlar "bullet proof" vest. Are you sure you need a gun like this in the US? Seems just
a little bit excessive! to me.

Chubb


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I noticed this increase with helium

Msg. 109822  Posted by Chubb on May 07, 1999 at 15:38:44:

In Reply to: Re: Besides keeping barrels clean, does pellet oil increase pellet speeds? posted by LOU V.K. on May 06, 1999 at 07:40:49:

I use my falcon on helium with a ME of 33.6 ftlb (beeman kodiak .22) having lubed my pellets with beeswax this increased to 36.4 ftlb.
Perhaps the fact that the pressure rise behind the pellet is very much faster with helium helps the pellet obturate sooner?

Chubb
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You don't have to answer if you don't want to

Msg. 109821  Posted by The Airgun Letter on May 07, 1999 at 15:31:10:

Unless someone's holding a gun to your head, there's no reason you must respond to someone else's posting - even if it's addressed to you personally. Not posting a followup will help you avoid getting mired down in discussions you aren't interested in or that are doomed from the start. I can say from personal experience that it is VERY hard to avoid such discussions, as it is most people's nature to try to answer and resolve issues. I have to remind myself on a daily - and sometimes, hourly - basis to avoid such situations. I don't succeed all the time, either.

If you find yourself mired down in a discussion/thread, then simply stop answering any further postings to that thread/person. Trying to work for a final resolution/conclusion is what most people want, but there are times when that's unachievable - and very frustrating.

Edith Gaylord
The Airgun Letter
staff@null.null
http://www.airgunletter.null
http://www.airgunletter.com

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R-77 Combat; not Compact NT

Msg. 109820  Posted by Ross on May 07, 1999 at 15:24:20:

In Reply to: Re: Got a new RWS C-225, I'm selling it tomorrow!! posted by Ross on May 07, 1999 at 15:22:17:

nt
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Re: Got a new RWS C-225, I'm selling it tomorrow!!

Msg. 109819  Posted by Ross on May 07, 1999 at 15:22:17:

In Reply to: Got a new RWS C-225, I'm selling it tomorrow!! posted by Jeff on May 07, 1999 at 09:24:16:

Jeff: I am considering a Crosman C40 which is similar to the C-225. However, after shooting my Gamo R-77 Compact and my P1 right after that, I have my doubts on these powerless pistols. I too want a pistol with some power. I can shoot my P1 fairly accurate at 30 yards. The little R-77 is not very accurate past 30 ft. Try a Beeman P1. If interested in a P1 let me know and I will inform you were you can find a good deal on a new one.
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Re: going crazy

Msg. 109817  Posted by Wade on May 07, 1999 at 15:13:43:

In Reply to: going crazy posted by Daveg on May 07, 1999 at 14:57:21:

The newest is the MKV (Mark 5). I just got one
from Paul Watts with the 9 1/2" barrel, tuned
and shoots 940 with cp lites. It feels like a
12 ft pounder and is very accurate. Wade
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'' are you illiterate? '' naw , forgot the question and got on my preferences.nt.

Msg. 109816  Posted by vZc on May 07, 1999 at 15:12:15:

In Reply to: Re: try Crosman Premiers 7.9 gr. , SilverBears or Marksman Hollow Point,... posted by LOU V.K. on May 06, 1999 at 20:50:57:

.
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Re: Now I understand

Msg. 109815  Posted by Jim Baumann on May 07, 1999 at 15:05:28:

In Reply to: Now I understand posted by E Fudd on May 07, 1999 at 13:44:15:

Hi E Fudd:

No, that's not what I am trying to say. What I am trying to say, is that first pellets look nothing like bullets. Bullets are the models for most ballistic informantion that is published. Since they are so much differant that one another I question the accuracy of the published ballistic
information as it is applied to air gun pellets.

As to dirty barrels, there affect of the flight of a pellet, does not often occure; but, my actual ballistic tests tend to show that a really dirty barrel can simply load the grooves of the rifling up enough to cause the pellet not to grab the rifling well enough to make it spin with the rifling, as it should.

The reason I believe this, has only to do with all of the ballistic tests that I have done, and nothing that I have read. Near as I can tell sub sized pellets do, or act the same as an air rifle with a badly leaded up barrel. Bad accuracy, and lower remaining velocities at the target. I
only know this; because, the chronographs and the hits on the target paper tend to point to this.

I do not base my information on any theory; I base it only on actual ballistics tests, and on the velocities recorded on my chronographs'.
While I would be the first to say that there can be a lot of errors in doing this; I never base anything that I say on one test; but, only after I see, or get the same values, over and over again.

So, I may not always get the "why' correct; but, the fact that airgun pellets don't do what ballistic theory say they should, I question the theory as it applies to airgun pellets.

Now, I realize that some of the things that I say are hard to believe; but, I would say to you, just get a chronorgaph and start recording average velocities at differant ranges, and keep increasing the range until you can't get the pellet across the chronograph, with any degree of accuracy, and you will see what I mean.

By the way, I always use two chronographs; so, I can compare the BC values, rather that just
using velocity averages. And I shoot at least 20 shots, to get a BC average, and i throw out any values that might be caused by other factors, including the whole test, sometimes.

I trust what my chronographs' tell me, most of the time, and there is no doubt error involed; but, I can tell you that the values that the chronograph will give you will be nothing like conventional ballistic theory; but, then as you say maybe I just don't understand it. Oh well I guess I am just slow!

Good Shooting!

Jim



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going crazy

Msg. 109813  Posted by Daveg on May 07, 1999 at 14:57:21:

I have never had access to a site with so much
information.I have changed my mind a few times
already in just about a weeks time.In July there
is an airgun show in NY 315 area.Maybe I should
wait until then.Every time I get online,I always
come here.What is the latest model TX200.
Regardless they all shoot the same speed and
.177 is the preferred cal.isn't it.Who is giving
the best deal?I know where to buy the scope.
What kind of accuracy does the new tx boast?
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Re: Supersport...

Msg. 109812  Posted by Mikael on May 07, 1999 at 14:52:15:

In Reply to: Re: Supersport... posted by chuck bridgeland on May 06, 1999 at 08:19:55:

You could always buy a supersport and a carbine barrel.
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Re: Changed My Order To .22 Cal

Msg. 109811  Posted by Jerry Rhodes on May 07, 1999 at 14:47:30:

In Reply to: Changed My Order To .22 Cal posted by MartinL on May 07, 1999 at 13:23:42:

Good move Martin,

With JM's kit in it you have a "poor man's" PE. The trigger is liveable but not as nice as the PE.

Jerry
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Re: Diana Rifles

Msg. 109810  Posted by Darrell Scoggins on May 07, 1999 at 14:39:57:

In Reply to: Diana Rifles posted by Dick (UK) on May 07, 1999 at 08:57:39:

I own a Diana (RWS) 34. I am quite pleased with my gun. But the other day the barrel was bent
I have been told that the way it was bent was from slaming the barrel up either by closing it too
hard or by shooting it without it being closed all th3 way. I also have a HW 35 and like it much b
better although it is less powerful (900 fps Diana) (750 or so with the HW35)
The Diana is very harsh shooting. (jumps around a lot) hope this helps.
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Re: Just the facts with sources if possible .......

Msg. 109808  Posted by wved on May 07, 1999 at 14:34:02:

In Reply to: Re: Just the facts with sources if possible ....... posted by wved on May 07, 1999 at 14:24:46:

OOps! Sorry Wade, this post was in response to Russ' "methane method" post. wved
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Re: SM 1000, Is the barrel choked? Not intentionally.

Msg. 109806  Posted by Jerry Rhodes on May 07, 1999 at 14:27:00:

In Reply to: Re: SM 1000, Is the barrel choked? Not intentionally. posted by Eric Helfrich on May 07, 1999 at 11:31:30:

Eric,

If the rear "scope" mount isn't glued down your rear sight, if it is mounted there, might be moving around on you. The front sight might be moving also.

It also might be your bench rest technique. How does it group when you shoot off hand at that same distance? When you shoot off of the bench be sure that the gun is supported by your body and not resting on something hard. If all else fails let somebody that you know is a good shot try to get it to group.

Jerry
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Re: Just the facts with sources if possible .......

Msg. 109805  Posted by wved on May 07, 1999 at 14:24:46:

In Reply to: Re: Just the facts with sources if possible ....... posted by Wade on May 06, 1999 at 18:28:19:

I'm a little late to this "gas gun" discussion but it's got me thinkin'. Having worked in a couple nuke sites, and whenever I went into "an enclosed space", it was code to put a blow a few changes of air thru the pit and then use a "sniffer" to verify that it was safe for me to enter wearing "D ring" overalls and a rope. If I was overcome with methane (or whatever), the assistant outside was supposed to drag me out (over piping, racks etc) with the rope tied to my "D rings". I don't want you to detonate your "chili gas" with a dieselin' airgun, so, do you use a calibrated electronic sniffer in your bedroom, or do you use the old fashioned canary in a cage? If you use a canary, I'm tellin' the SPCA! :-) wved
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Re: Simmons Pro Air Scopes ?

Msg. 109803  Posted by LOU V.K. on May 07, 1999 at 14:11:17:

In Reply to: Re: Simmons Pro Air Scopes ? posted by Dr. J. on May 06, 1999 at 20:52:29:


Like Dr.J.,I have had some really good success with *some* of the Simmons scopes.I also have a Gold Medal Sillhouette 6-20X40 scope,which I bought after trying out oneof them on a rifle owned by my friend,Gregg Rozak.It is a fine scope. The M1048 6.5-20X44 Mag 44 Simmons scopes have also been good ones for me.I currently own 5 of them,and,have hada lot more pass through my hands,as my trading of guns has continued. I have one Simmons scope that I DO NOT LIKE. It is a 6-18X40 Pro Air model. It is crap.It arrived with a broken target turret knob,and,it is dim dark and dingy inside.I call it my three d scope.In comparison to the Bushnell Banner 6-18X40,which I am not in love with either,it comes in a FAAAAAAAAAAAAAR distant second. I wish that I had not wasted my money on such junk. Dick Thomas,I don't need the standard sermon,because you would only be preaching to the choir.
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Re: Help with Daisy restoration

Msg. 109802  Posted by The Airgun Letter on May 07, 1999 at 14:01:11:

In Reply to: Help with Daisy restoration posted by jrk on May 07, 1999 at 13:52:15:

Try contacting Jim Dry regarding any restoration to your Daisy gun. His work is well known and highly regarded. Jim's listed on our Airgun Resources Web page (link below). He's not connected to the Inte.null, as far as I know.

Edith Gaylord
The Airgun Letter
staff@null.null
http://www.airgunletter.null
http://www.airgunletter.com

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Heavens YES, man!!

Msg. 109800  Posted by MikeD on May 07, 1999 at 13:52:52:

In Reply to: Knoxville Airgunners posted by Eric Field on May 06, 1999 at 15:48:36:

Eric and I have already traded email, but if anyone else out there is interested I live on the west side of K-town. I have a decent airgun collection, reference library, chrono, and 15 years worth of airgun trivia, all just waiting to bore the crud out of anyone interested!
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Help with Daisy restoration

Msg. 109799  Posted by jrk on May 07, 1999 at 13:52:15:

I am very interested in getting my Daisy bb rifle restored that I had as a kid. I don't even have all the parts. I would like to send the gun off and have someone restore it for me. Since I am not familiar with individuals who this type of work, I am hoping for some recommendations. Oh, I forgot, the rifle is the Daisy Model 1894 which was purchased in 1964.

Thanks for any help

-Jon-
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Now I understand

Msg. 109798  Posted by E Fudd on May 07, 1999 at 13:44:15:

In Reply to: Re: To Ballistic Wolfie, or Tail-Gunner Joe posted by Jim Baumann on May 07, 1999 at 12:37:45:

After reading your synopsis of Wolfie's postings, I now see why your approach to ballistics is "unorthodox". You must have read about dirty barrels affecting BC somewhere. Maybe Hatcher said that time of flight was more important to trajectory than windage.
I am not a physicist, but I am familiar enough with Newtons laws to realize that you have no understanding of them. Wolfie has been pointing out obvious errors in your posts and you have responded by saying his ballistic theory doesn't work in the real world. It appears to me that you do not understand conventional ballistic theory, and that you have tried to build your own, (with BC's based on rifling, temperature, velocity and dirty barrels), in order to make sense of your observations.
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Translation (At least Jerry knows the diference between " spanish " and portuguese. Thanks Jerry!

Msg. 109797  Posted by Pedro Marcos on May 07, 1999 at 13:32:48:

In Reply to: Re: In English - what oil is recommended for a 97c 'in the ports' posted by RBest on May 05, 1999 at 22:21:11:

"Tx 200 .177 97c incluindo portes"

Means that Paulo Gomes can sell me a Tx 200 .177 for 97.000$00 -about USD$515.00, shipping included.

We, portuguese when we meet "abroad"(!) we cheer, speak dirty words loudly and work our ourselves to exaustion.

By the way, the spanish language doesn�t exist. They usualy speak castillian (they also speak catallan, gallego and vasque)

Yours trully

Pedro Marcos,
O Portuga!

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Good news for Sheridan CB9 and 392/397 owners...

Msg. 109796  Posted by DAS on May 07, 1999 at 13:26:07:

Benjamin-Sheridan has recently implemented a couple of changes that will reduce the trigger pull on rifles utilizing the "trigger pack" trigger assembly. These changes are in effect for current production rifles as well as rifles with date codes after 2/99. On older "trigger pack" rifles , the following components can be substituted to improve trigger pull:

G397-019 hammer
2200A032 hammer spring

For further information on these modifications, please call Benjamin-Sheridan Corp. at (800) 724-7486.

Dave

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WHAT PELLETS FOR SUPERSPORT

Msg. 109795  Posted by bob on May 07, 1999 at 13:25:16:

im gonna be ordering a bsa supersport ,in .177 i would like to know what everyone else is using in their supersport,, also what kind of accuracy are u getting with it
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Changed My Order To .22 Cal

Msg. 109794  Posted by MartinL on May 07, 1999 at 13:23:42:

In Reply to: Re: RWS48 in .25 CAL Ordered Today! Anyone Recommend a Pellet? posted by Jerry Rhodes on May 07, 1999 at 12:48:16:

Jerry..Thanks for the advice. I was able to intercept the order and they had the .22 version. This keeps me in a common pellet and also makes sense to me that the .25 cal would have been quite a responsive shooter. Sorry for the .25 alert. ml
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Re: New TX on the way! Thanks

Msg. 109793  Posted by Johnny O. on May 07, 1999 at 13:06:38:

In Reply to: Re: New TX on the way! Thanks posted by Greg J. on May 07, 1999 at 11:52:01:

Are you sure it's a B&L? I recently bought a 6x18 Trophy from them at this price.
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Re: 4 bore, 3calibre, 454 gr, 70000 grain....

Msg. 109791  Posted by Jim Baumann on May 07, 1999 at 12:55:42:

In Reply to: 4 bore, 3calibre, 454 gr, 70000 grain.... posted by Ron B on May 06, 1999 at 17:45:51:


Your welcome, Ron, and I hope I managed to copy the info correctly!

Interesting info on Jules Verne's, too.

Jim
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Re: RWS48 in .25 CAL Ordered Today! Anyone Recommend a Pellet?

Msg. 109790  Posted by peteR on May 07, 1999 at 12:54:05:

In Reply to: Re: RWS48 in .25 CAL Ordered Today! Anyone Recommend a Pellet? posted by Jerry Rhodes on May 07, 1999 at 12:48:16:

Try the Diana Magnums through it. They are very good through my .25's
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Re: Laughter is good for the soul, yes! and you guys are an absolute scream NT

Msg. 109789  Posted by Jim Baumann on May 07, 1999 at 12:50:07:

In Reply to: Lou: Laughter is good for the soul. NT posted by RBest on May 06, 1999 at 20:12:11:



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Re: RWS48 in .25 CAL Ordered Today! Anyone Recommend a Pellet?

Msg. 109788  Posted by Jerry Rhodes on May 07, 1999 at 12:48:16:

In Reply to: RWS48 in .25 CAL Ordered Today! Anyone Recommend a Pellet? posted by MartinL on May 07, 1999 at 12:35:19:

Martin,

I have one in .25 and it shoots Silver Bears very well. I shot mine for about 1,000 rnds and then installed JM's spring & guide kit. Major improvement in the way the thing behaved. I have a williams FP-AG rear peep on it and is shoots very well. I have to admit that I like my RWS 48 in .22 even better.

That .25 really makes things jump. Mine BLASTS clear through 3/8" ply so be careful about your back stop.

Jerry
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LOU V.K ....

Msg. 109787  Posted by Mark_F on May 07, 1999 at 12:48:04:

In Reply to: Re: try Crosman Premiers 7.9 gr. , SilverBears or Marksman Hollow Point,... posted by LOU V.K. on May 06, 1999 at 20:50:57:

Thank you for saying this, I almost cried while reading the CPs and FTS recommends to this guy who seems to live somewhere near Mars.
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Sorry, if I had read your post more carefully, I wouldn't have rambled on about Inte.null traffic - probably is your browser (NT)

Msg. 109785  Posted by JCBrown on May 07, 1999 at 12:43:51:

In Reply to: Re: MCI had a fiber damaged in Northern VA yesterday posted by LOU V.K. on May 07, 1999 at 12:34:38:



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Tracert didnt' confirm/deny anything :-(

Msg. 109783  Posted by JCBrown on May 07, 1999 at 12:40:10:

In Reply to: Re: MCI had a fiber damaged in Northern VA yesterday posted by JCBrown on May 07, 1999 at 12:25:23:

Sometimes when you "tracert" you can tell what circuits are used by the host names of the routers the information passes through from point A to Z. (did that sentence make sence???)

For me, the tracert to Steven's page was mostly on Sprintlink.null & then hopped off to an unnamed router - so it was all for nothing.

I was able to view his site w/ IE 5...

sorry I couldn't help,
JC
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Re: To Ballistic Wolfie, or Tail-Gunner Joe

Msg. 109782  Posted by Jim Baumann on May 07, 1999 at 12:37:45:

In Reply to: Re: To 3 Degree Ballistic Wolfie posted by Wolfesbane on May 06, 1999 at 21:05:55:


First let me say that anyone can take a comment out of context and make it appear to be something else. In that light I have taken a few of your statements out of context, and with the magic of a text editor I have transformed them into something else, and to anyone reading the paragraph below, this is not what Wolfie said or wrote. It is just a little fiction done by me, only to make a point. Maybe, you could lighten up a little and have a laugh at my twisting your words, for a change.

"History: The first "Modern Ballstics" was done by Krup(the German arms and steel conglomerate), This research established a new model, the Model T Ford. followed by Research by the Italians(Sciacci) and the Hungaro-Russians(Mayefski). After the First World War, this data was "Top Secret" and translated by Col. Ingalls and published in 1923(the same time I sent a listing of your posts
to my peers. A " Bauman" has entered History, and I will get at you!"

Who is A "Bauman", anyway ?

By the way you got my name wrong; it is Jim, or james Baumann, with 2 N�s Be sure to tell your peers that; as I would not want them to think that you were talking about anyone else; but little old me.

"This research established a new model for air drag known the "G Functions". These drag functions were also modeled on a specific projectile shape. G-1 is for a military spitzer(ogive=5-6). G-2 is for boat-tails, and so on."

This is also, a statement made by you, and I don't doubt its accuracy; but, given that these two models, and the many others, I am sure; that they look nothing like most airgun pellets, and are not even close; but, I guess you cannot see that.

"I expect anyone else with better data or information to do the same to me." I just did, and the hundreds of tests that I have done, with airgun pellets speaks for itself.

By the way I am proud, and by all means bring all of your "peers" here to the AGL form, as we all love a witch hunt!

And, I usually don't have a lot to say; so, I don't post here all that often, and so, thank-you for all the free advertisements.

Before you go, however, lighten up a little and read some of the posts below, as they are an absolute scream.


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RWS48 in .25 CAL Ordered Today! Anyone Recommend a Pellet?

Msg. 109781  Posted by MartinL on May 07, 1999 at 12:35:19:

I had a whim and ordered one of the demos from Airgun Express today in .25 caliper. I figured I wanted at least a .22 cal anyway so why not try the .25 instead since I own a 22 already. Any comments on what pellet it will like? What experiences has other shooters had with this gun? TIA, ml
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Re: MCI had a fiber damaged in Northern VA yesterday

Msg. 109780  Posted by LOU V.K. on May 07, 1999 at 12:34:38:

In Reply to: Re: MCI had a fiber damaged in Northern VA yesterday posted by JCBrown on May 07, 1999 at 12:25:23:


I think that the problem is that,my computer is set up to refuse JAVA script. Any time that I try to access anything that is written in that form,it locks up my browser.
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Re: Several web sites do this to me: LOU, get IE5 or IE4.01 SP2 update if you dont already have it. that may help NT

Msg. 109779  Posted by M Boyle on May 07, 1999 at 12:31:15:

In Reply to: Several web sites do this to me posted by LOU V.K. on May 07, 1999 at 10:14:24:


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Mark: you are in southern cal. to us up here (nt)

Msg. 109778  Posted by Jon B. on May 07, 1999 at 12:30:58:

In Reply to: Re: Got my Supersport .22 cal today!!!!! posted by Mark Lemm on May 07, 1999 at 02:11:51:

nt
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Re: Beware of Steven Flannery's web page: could it be you need a javaVM upgrade?is this IE or.nullscrape?NT

Msg. 109777  Posted by LOU V.K. on May 07, 1999 at 12:30:31:

In Reply to: Re: Beware of Steven Flannery's web page: could it be you need a javaVM upgrade?is this IE or.nullscrape?NT posted by M Boyle on May 07, 1999 at 12:26:38:


It is I.E.,and,I have been warned by H.P.,AOL,and McAfee to never become involved in any Java.
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Re: Several web sites do this to me

Msg. 109776  Posted by LOU V.K. on May 07, 1999 at 12:27:06:

In Reply to: Re: Several web sites do this to me posted by Jon B. on May 07, 1999 at 12:18:38:


I just had a Hewlett Packard technician recheck all of my setup on this box.He is a close friend of mine,and spent 4 hours of his time to do this as a favor to me. He claims that all is still well,except that I could use some bigger memory chips installed. I intend to do that in the near future,when a bit of unspoken for cash shows up,( about $300.00 is all it will take ).
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Re: Beware of Steven Flannery's web page: could it be you need a javaVM upgrade?is this IE or.nullscrape?NT

Msg. 109775  Posted by M Boyle on May 07, 1999 at 12:26:38:

In Reply to: Beware of Steven Flannery's web page posted by LOU V.K. on May 07, 1999 at 09:56:31:


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Re: MCI had a fiber damaged in Northern VA yesterday

Msg. 109774  Posted by JCBrown on May 07, 1999 at 12:25:23:

In Reply to: Re: MCI had a fiber damaged in Northern VA yesterday posted by LOU V.K. on May 07, 1999 at 12:14:34:

MCI is one of the major carriers of Inte.null traffic. AOL is based in Northern VA although I don't know if all their traffic comes/goes through there.

I'm in Winchester, VA & some of our students on campus have reported problems getting to certain sites on the Inte.null. Don't know where Steven's site is - I'll trace & see & get back.

Here's part of the email that our ISP sent (hope this clarifies...)
"Currently, there is a major fiber cut in an MCI circuit in Northern Virginia. You may notice that Inte.null connectivity to certain areas
geographically near there is nonexistent. A major portion of the.nullWorkVA customers in that area have been adversely affected as well as non-NWVA customers using services provided by MCI or, like the NWVA customers, ride part of the MCI circuit that is currently down."

Just because one route may be down, doesn't mean some traffic won't get through. But it could lead to inconsistent results.

JC


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I have far more problems with Delphi than S.F.'s page. (nt)

Msg. 109773  Posted by E Fudd on May 07, 1999 at 12:19:49:

In Reply to: Beware of Steven Flannery's web page posted by LOU V.K. on May 07, 1999 at 09:56:31:


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Re: Several web sites do this to me

Msg. 109772  Posted by Jon B. on May 07, 1999 at 12:18:38:

In Reply to: Several web sites do this to me posted by LOU V.K. on May 07, 1999 at 10:14:24:

Lou: I used to have the same problem with certain sites/pages. I use a Mac. Turns out it was a problem with a Norton Utilities program I had running in the background all of the time conflicted with something on just those pages. If it is a big problem for you on many pages, you might check whats going on in your computer. Just a thought.
Jon B.
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Re: Simmons Pro Air Scopes ?

Msg. 109771  Posted by Jim C. on May 07, 1999 at 12:15:27:

In Reply to: Simmons Pro Air Scopes ? posted by Eric Field on May 06, 1999 at 16:02:45:

Eric,
I have a pro-air 6-18x40 that is about 4 months old and was on a BSA Super 10 (pcp) . I will
ship it to you for $100 if interested. E-mail me.
Jim

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Re: MCI had a fiber damaged in Northern VA yesterday

Msg. 109770  Posted by LOU V.K. on May 07, 1999 at 12:14:34:

In Reply to: MCI had a fiber damaged in Northern VA yesterday posted by JCBrown on May 07, 1999 at 12:02:04:


What would that have to do with me,in Michigan,or,is Steven in the N.Va. area?
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Re: Lov i have a Compaq PRES. v4oo about 2 years old .Imade contack with STEVE no prob .

Msg. 109769  Posted by LOU V.K. on May 07, 1999 at 12:12:02:

In Reply to: Lov i have a Compaq PRES. v4oo about 2 years old .Imade contack with STEVE no prob . posted by Willy on May 07, 1999 at 11:34:30:


I have already sold it.
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MCI had a fiber damaged in Northern VA yesterday

Msg. 109767  Posted by JCBrown on May 07, 1999 at 12:02:04:

In Reply to: Beware of Steven Flannery's web page posted by LOU V.K. on May 07, 1999 at 09:56:31:

Lou,
I got a message from our ISP that MCI had one of their major fibers damaged by construction and this could adversely affect Inte.null connectivity in this area.

That could have something to do with your problem.

JC
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Re: New TX on the way! Thanks

Msg. 109766  Posted by Jon B. on May 07, 1999 at 11:59:42:

In Reply to: New TX on the way! Thanks posted by JMartin on May 06, 1999 at 21:11:09:

JM: You might want to try some of the FTS in your gun, about 8.6 gr, so slightly heavier than CP's. Seem to be best pellet in my TXHC. Check sales at Natchez for scopes.
HTH Jon B.
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What Caliba you are loong for, I have .177 and .22

Msg. 109764  Posted by Harry Chu on May 07, 1999 at 11:54:31:

In Reply to: gamo hunter 880 posted by rob on May 07, 1999 at 05:29:56:

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Re: New TX on the way! Thanks

Msg. 109763  Posted by Greg J. on May 07, 1999 at 11:52:01:

In Reply to: Re: New TX on the way! Thanks posted by RBest on May 06, 1999 at 21:14:11:

Have the B and L 6x18 , great scope, Natchez is still adv. this scope for $119.
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Re: Extended Shooting Periods and Heat Buildup.

Msg. 109762  Posted by DAS on May 07, 1999 at 11:49:41:

In Reply to: Extended Shooting Periods and Heat Buildup. posted by MartinL on May 07, 1999 at 08:13:50:

Martin,

What I have noticed (on certain current Sheridans and older Benjamins that are well worn) is that the exhaust valves tend to get a burnt look to them. It almost seems like carbon is coating some of the internal parts including the exhaust valves. From this, I surmise that high temperatures could be causing some of the nitrile seal materials to break down. Of course, this is based upon my observations only, not actual experiments.

The currently used exhaust valve material is way too soft and is subject to being damaged by over pumping due to heat and/or high unit load on the seal. I have seen both pneumatic and CO2 Benjamin-Sheridans fail because the seal material was deeply "engraved" by the relatively sharp exhaust valve seat. Upon my bringing the sharp valve seat issue to Benjamin-Sheridan's attention, they have since improved the seat geometry.

Dave

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Lov i have a Compaq PRES. v4oo about 2 years old .Imade contack with STEVE no prob .

Msg. 109761  Posted by Willy on May 07, 1999 at 11:34:30:

I want the Mendozea?
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Re: SM 1000, Is the barrel choked? Not intentionally.

Msg. 109760  Posted by Eric Helfrich on May 07, 1999 at 11:31:30:

In Reply to: Re: SM 1000, Is the barrel choked? Not intentionally. posted by Jerry Rhodes on May 07, 1999 at 08:53:53:

Jerry,
I asked because I am having problems with any consistant grouping. I can shoot from a rest patterns that don't group well of about an 1 1/2 inches. 2 shots will go one, 2 in another place then the others scatter in no particular pattern. I have an R9 TK that shoots 3/8 inch groups from the same distasnce so I don't think its me.I have a JM kit in it and I have smoothed the trigger out. I was wondering if it might be worth sending to JM( to improve accuracy) to have the barrel cut an inch or two and have him crown it? Thanks for any feedback! Eric Helfrich
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Re: okee ,,thanks anthony ..give me more info to think of a good scope from the JW80 i ordered

Msg. 109759  Posted by Anthony Storey on May 07, 1999 at 11:17:34:

In Reply to: Re: okee ,,thanks anthony ..give me more info to think of a good scope from the JW80 i ordered posted by M Boyle on May 06, 1999 at 22:46:39:


I do not have a good recomendation I am sorry, for the info you requested I would ask the owners of these fine rifles.Balance, fit for eye relief,and loading restrictions all come to mind alot of what has to do with the overall lenght and weight of the scope.HTH
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Re: Any Opinions on Simmon's 4-12 X 40 ProAir?[nt]

Msg. 109757  Posted by Stuart on May 07, 1999 at 10:38:21:

In Reply to: Any Opinions on Simmon's 4-12 X 40 ProAir?[nt] posted by Naim on May 07, 1999 at 08:46:40:

I have one on my R9. It has been through 650 shot before my tune, and about 500 shots since the tune. I got a good deal on it at Natchez. I have no complaints so far. Others have posted messages stating that it will not have very much longevity.
Since my R9's tune job, I think this scope will last much longer than it would have without the tune. The decrease in vibration is very significant when looking through the scope after pulling the trigger.
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Re: which was more punch the .20 or .22 in a Career 707

Msg. 109756  Posted by BC on May 07, 1999 at 10:30:29:

In Reply to: which was more punch the .20 or .22 in a Career 707 posted by andye on May 06, 1999 at 13:45:46:

Having both and chrono'ing them frequently, the .22 definitely has the advantage. When shooting Premiers at about 900 in each, the .20 has detectably less wind drift. Both are quite good shooters. More pellets are available in .22, but I only shoot Premiers or Kodiaks so that isn't a valid reason for selection for me.
HTH
Bob

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Re: Sheridan pump pistol vs Beeman single pump

Msg. 109755  Posted by BC on May 07, 1999 at 10:22:08:

In Reply to: Sheridan pump pistol vs Beeman single pump posted by JR on May 06, 1999 at 21:07:49:

The pump pistol should achieve the velocity of the P3 in about 4-5 pumps. The ergonomics of pumping may be a little better than the P3, but the effort at the higher velocities will probably be as much. The pumper should also shoot harder at its max. The trigger on the P3 and the shooting characteristics are quite a bit better. However, work can be done on the pumper that will make it nice to shoot and you also don't have to pump a bunch to shoot it all the time. It is just going to come down to what is important to YOU.
Bob

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Several web sites do this to me

Msg. 109754  Posted by LOU V.K. on May 07, 1999 at 10:14:24:

In Reply to: Re:Works OK here. A little slow to load. posted by Jerry Rhodes on May 07, 1999 at 10:07:36:


I have Inte.null Exploder 4.0, AOL 3.0.on a 166MGHZ unit with the same memory capacity as yours,and accessing the inte.null at 28800 with a modem capability of 56700. Any of the sites set up by Martin L. do the same to my computer.This always means at least 10 minutes getting back on line in slack periods of the day,and,as much as an hour,in the busy time of evening.
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Re:Works OK here. A little slow to load.

Msg. 109753  Posted by LOU V.K. on May 07, 1999 at 10:09:41:

In Reply to: Re:Works OK here. A little slow to load. posted by Jerry Rhodes on May 07, 1999 at 10:07:36:



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Re:Works OK here. A little slow to load.

Msg. 109752  Posted by Jerry Rhodes on May 07, 1999 at 10:07:36:

In Reply to: Beware of Steven Flannery's web page posted by LOU V.K. on May 07, 1999 at 09:56:31:

Lou,

I'm using.nullscape Communicator on a P166 with 64mb of ram and Win95. I loads slowly but completely. I haven't tried any of the links yet.

Sometimes I log on to the ISP at 21,600 and sometimes at 28,800 and right now at 33,600. Doesn't seem to make much difference.

Jerry
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Re: Sell my Hakkos?????? Come now

Msg. 109751  Posted by LOU V.K. on May 07, 1999 at 10:01:34:

In Reply to: Re: Sell my Hakkos?????? Come now posted by H. Tod on May 07, 1999 at 07:53:35:


No.that one came from the importer in Minnesota.Bob *did* have two of them.
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Re: Got a new RWS C-225, I'm selling it tomorrow!!

Msg. 109750  Posted by Howard C on May 07, 1999 at 09:58:39:

In Reply to: Got a new RWS C-225, I'm selling it tomorrow!! posted by Jeff on May 07, 1999 at 09:24:16:

Jeff

You might want to give a Crosman 600 a try,
one I have will knock a walnut out of a tree at
20 to 25 yards (if I do my part) and will punch
holes in a pop can out to 15 yards, they shoot around 340 fps in .22 cal. Most I've seen will
only feed flathead pellets without any jams though. Something to consider.

Good Shooting !

Howard
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Beware of Steven Flannery's web page

Msg. 109749  Posted by LOU V.K. on May 07, 1999 at 09:56:31:

Steven's web page had some problems,( lots of them ),and,he now claims that it is fixed,and,better than ever. It still kills my browser,when I attempt to post a response to him.When accessing the home page,all of the graphics are displayed as little red X's,and,when I attempted to respond to his message pertaining to the site's improvement,my browser was killed upon clicking on the 'post' window. The only way that I could get away from this screen was to disconnect the power to my computer. The boy has SERIOUS problems with his new site,and I have no other way to inform him of this. Clicking on his e-mail address also has the same effect on my browser as clicking on his site does.
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Re: Sorry about the double posting. (NT)

Msg. 109748  Posted by ProfHoff on May 07, 1999 at 09:40:55:

In Reply to: Re: Problems dealing with ... posted by ProfHoff on May 07, 1999 at 09:37:33:

nt
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Re: Problems dealing with ...

Msg. 109747  Posted by ProfHoff on May 07, 1999 at 09:38:17:

In Reply to: Problems dealing with OscarWild1@aol ? He has asked 100 questions and seems to be no way of satisfying him.Anyone dealt with him? posted by Anthony Storey on May 07, 1999 at 09:27:05:

Anthony,

Sounds a little like this may be a con-job in the works. Ask him to send you a copy of the money order receipt.

I had one such (non-airgun-related) experience. The buyer claimed that he sent the $$ and that I failed to deliver the goods. He couldn't produce a MO receipt, nor could he show that I had cashed the MO -- which I did not receive. Ultimately, I heard no more from him.

I do not mean to suggest that your customer is crooked, the fact remains that some people are dishonest and rely on the "guilt" of honest folk to facilitate their crimes.

Regards,

ProfHoff
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Re: Problems dealing with OscarWild1@aol ? He has asked 100 questions and seems to be no way of satisfying him.Anyone dealt with him?

Msg. 109746  Posted by jrk on May 07, 1999 at 09:37:43:

In Reply to: Problems dealing with OscarWild1@aol ? He has asked 100 questions and seems to be no way of satisfying him.Anyone dealt with him? posted by Anthony Storey on May 07, 1999 at 09:27:05:

I don't know how long it has been since the individual claims he sent out the MO. But why doesn't he put out a trace on it? Every MO I have ever sent has a unique reference number that would allow the issueing band/credit union/whatever, to verify whether the MO has been cashed or not. If it has been cashed then you have one of two problems (intended person cashed it or someone else did), if it hasn't been cashed then you have one of three problems (lost in mail, didn't get there yet, or never sent).
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Re: Problems dealing with ...

Msg. 109745  Posted by ProfHoff on May 07, 1999 at 09:37:33:

In Reply to: Problems dealing with OscarWild1@aol ? He has asked 100 questions and seems to be no way of satisfying him.Anyone dealt with him? posted by Anthony Storey on May 07, 1999 at 09:27:05:

Anthony,

Sounds a little like this may be a con-job in the works. Ask him to send you a copy of the money order receipt.

I had one such (non-airgun-related) experience. The buyer claimed that he sent the $$ and that I failed to deliver the goods. He couldn't produce a MO receipt, nor could he show that I had cashed the MO -- which I did not receive. Ultimately, I heard no more from him.

I do not mean to suggest that your customer is crooked, the fact remains that some people are dishonest and rely on the "guilt" of honest folk to facilitate their crimes.

Regards,

ProfHoff
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Re: Problems dealing with OscarWild1@aol ? He has asked 100 questions and sWell maybe not 100 questions nt

Msg. 109744  Posted by Anthony on May 07, 1999 at 09:31:47:

In Reply to: Problems dealing with OscarWild1@aol ? He has asked 100 questions and seems to be no way of satisfying him.Anyone dealt with him? posted by Anthony Storey on May 07, 1999 at 09:27:05:


nt
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Problems dealing with OscarWild1@aol ? He has asked 100 questions and seems to be no way of satisfying him.Anyone dealt with him?

Msg. 109743  Posted by Anthony Storey on May 07, 1999 at 09:27:05:

He supposedly ordered a $129 dollar gun from me and claims he sent the MO out acts like I have received it and I am not fulfilling my end of the deal.I would recommend to customers or anyone else if you are that worried about paying and not receiving your goods either send payment certified mail or don't do business on the inte.null.He has obviously not considered payment could be lost in the mail.He give me a few hours to respond by e mail said he was cancelling the MO.Oscar what is the problem?If you normally do business / hobby this way please find another hobby.You wanted this in the open.Here it is for now.No mudslinging needed, just facts.
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Got a new RWS C-225, I'm selling it tomorrow!!

Msg. 109742  Posted by Jeff on May 07, 1999 at 09:24:16:

The other day I picked up a 4" black RWS C-225 air pistol. I'm selling it tomorrow to a friend.
It just wasn't what I was looking for. The build quality is great beside the plastic grips and that fast that a screw fell out of the front on the gun for no reason (not tight enough from factory, I guess).
It feels great, heavy, and solid.
But when it comes to being accurate it sucks, it's really inconsistent, no power at all.
I guess I really bought it for the wrong reasons, I wanted a gun to pick off cans and bottles at a good distance, and something to pick off a little sparrow sitting at the top of a tree every now and then.
My 11 year old Baikel rifle is the most accurate gun I've ever shot, I'll stick with it.
The 225 is great for close-up target shooting and if you ever have to get balistic on a Coke can the rapid fire is awesome, never misses a beat.
For me, CO2 air pistols are not the ticket.
Jeff
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Re: Wind Drift, precise terminology

Msg. 109741  Posted by peteR on May 07, 1999 at 09:21:14:

In Reply to: Re: Wind Drift, precise terminology posted by Ron B on May 07, 1999 at 08:51:11:

Ron,

RIGHT ON!

Age is taking a toll on me too! Now I just "try" to keep the edge!

Chao!

peteR
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Diana Rifles

Msg. 109740  Posted by Dick (UK) on May 07, 1999 at 08:57:39:

Any help on this would be appreciated.
I'm looking at buying a new rifle and have found a
fine specimen in the shape of a used Theoben fenman.
Although the gunsmith was pushing quite hard to a diana
34,(I don't know if they are called that in your part of the
world!), even though the Fenman is �150 the more expensive.
Please bear in mind that I will be shooting at twelve Ft/Lb
ME, so accuracy is V.important.
So, Does anyone know anything about the diana? I know
the fenman is a fine gun, I've had one before.
Thanks in advance.
D

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Re: SM 1000, Is the barrel choked? Not intentionally.

Msg. 109739  Posted by Jerry Rhodes on May 07, 1999 at 08:53:53:

In Reply to: SM 1000, Is the barrel choked? posted by Eric Helfrich on May 07, 1999 at 07:10:18:

Eric,

My first SM1000 was so "choked" in the breech that a pellet would NOT enter. If you find one that is "choked" it will be an accident of manufacture and, if you are lucky it will occur at the end that the front sights are on. If it is anything like the "accident" that I received it will be more like "strangled" than "choked". Neither of mine even showed the least hint of "crowning" much less intentional "choking" in the muzzle area.

Even so, when all of the dust settled, the second one shot strongly and well. Especially after a good "clean up" and spring and guide replacement from JM.

Jerry
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Re: Wind Drift, precise terminology

Msg. 109738  Posted by Ron B on May 07, 1999 at 08:51:11:

In Reply to: Re: Wind Drift, precise terminology posted by peteR on May 07, 1999 at 08:26:05:

Pete,

When I had a range near, I would count the 'bricks' of .22 ammo and cartons on CF primers. Somewhere in building a business when I was in my late twenties, I lost count.

Now, when I am at my loading bench, I will observe I have less than 1,000 primers of a particular size, see I'm low on bullets, or run out of a type of powder, I shake the powder jugs and inventory primers and bullets and order accordingly.

The UPS driver hates it when I run low on bullets!

Ron
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Any Opinions on Simmon's 4-12 X 40 ProAir?[nt]

Msg. 109737  Posted by Naim on May 07, 1999 at 08:46:40:

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Re: Man, what a rifle! I just got my hw77k today.

Msg. 109736  Posted by Johnny O. on May 07, 1999 at 08:33:44:

In Reply to: Man, what a rifle! I just got my hw77k today. posted by Luis Leon on May 06, 1999 at 22:33:46:

I can relate to your situation. I've been working from home too and went through the same thing last Fri. while waiting for my PE to arrived back home, tuned, as well as my new tuned R9. Have a hell of a time juggling work and running down to my basement to shoot! And everyone thought working from home was easy....Enjoy your new gun and try to get some work done.
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Re: Wind Drift, precise terminology

Msg. 109735  Posted by peteR on May 07, 1999 at 08:26:05:

In Reply to: Re: Wind Drift, precise terminology posted by carlos on May 07, 1999 at 01:36:13:

You're close but wrong! That includes rimfire, centerfire, and shotgun shooting.
from 1970 until 1980 I "averaged" somewheres in the neighborhood of 500 .22's per weekend sometimes much more including centerfire rifle and pistol.
pellets figure a tin a week since 1984 to date.

Now Mr. Doubting Carlos, with such exceptional analytic skills you figure the math.........

Just outta curiousity, how much do you shoot, or do you just type smart aleck remarks?
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Re: Too early Wrong name ATTN Sorry

Msg. 109734  Posted by CJ on May 07, 1999 at 08:23:03:

In Reply to: Re: Pellets ATTN: Jim Raymond posted by Jim Raymond on May 07, 1999 at 08:15:49:

Put the wrong name on the post SORRY Ray.
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Re: Pellets ATTN: Jim Raymond

Msg. 109733  Posted by Jim Raymond on May 07, 1999 at 08:15:49:

In Reply to: Re: Pellets posted by Jim Raymond on May 06, 1999 at 22:51:01:

could you send me 4-5 pellets?
email me if your willing.


CJ
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Extended Shooting Periods and Heat Buildup.

Msg. 109732  Posted by MartinL on May 07, 1999 at 08:13:50:

In Reply to: Re: Is the ten pump limit phoney? posted by DAS on May 06, 1999 at 22:43:09:

Dave..I wondered about the subject of the heat and frying certain materials. Is this a concern when sitting for hours and repeatedly pumping and shooting a B/S at 8 pumps? The transfer area at the breech and the barrel/air chamber gets very warm to the touch. TIA, ml
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BETTER THAN EVER

Msg. 109731  Posted by Steven Flannery on May 07, 1999 at 08:06:40:


Ok I fixed up the guestbook and I cleaned out the HTML. I had to rush to get it up on the.null. Sorry for the problems
"if you had them"
Got to run..
Sincerely, Steven Flannery

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Re: BETTER THAN EVER

Msg. 109730  Posted by Steven Flannery on May 07, 1999 at 08:04:31:

In Reply to: NEW AIRGUN PAGE!!!! NO ONE BELIEVED I WOULD MAKE IT!!! WELL HERE IT IS! posted by Steven Flannery on May 05, 1999 at 23:38:10:

Ok I fixed up the guestbook and I cleaned out the HTML. I had to rush to get it up on the.null. Sorry for the problems "if you had them"
Got to run..
Sincerely, Steven Flannery
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Heavies weigh 10.5

Msg. 109729  Posted by MartinL on May 07, 1999 at 07:55:30:

In Reply to: Re: New TX on the way! Thanks posted by JMartin on May 06, 1999 at 22:55:44:

The pellets slow down velocity but add mass through the wind. I shoot mostly at one set range and find the 10.5 CPs great for my purpose. I would suspect that a hunter might like the flatness of the lighter pellets, "but hey, the .22 cal works being heavier." Just may not be an FT tool like the .177 caliper. I'd suggest trying the heavies if you find yourself adjusting inches either right or left when encountering a winds. You possibly will not notice a thing if shooting 30yrds or less..ml
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Re: Sell my Hakkos?????? Come now

Msg. 109728  Posted by H. Tod on May 07, 1999 at 07:53:35:

In Reply to: Re: Sell my Hakkos?????? Come now posted by LOU V.K. on May 06, 1999 at 23:58:38:

How about the one I got from Koschler? Did you sell that one to Bob?

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Re: Felt pellets - Who has them? (nt)

Msg. 109727  Posted by LOU V.K. on May 07, 1999 at 07:26:26:

In Reply to: Re: Felt pellets - Who has them? (nt) posted by jcbii on May 07, 1999 at 03:40:19:


The regular cotton swabs,( Q Tip brand is best,and most consistant in size ) do a MUCH better job of bore cleaning than the felt pellets. The plastic tubing can be purchased from some medical supply companies,plastic distributors,and,laboratory supply firms,but,they are also available from airgun dealers.The product is known as the Breachway Cleaning Rod.
If the barrel is extremely dirty,I use GO_JO waterless hand cleaner,or equivalant,but,not the type with pumice in it,followed by dry swabs.
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Re: Scuba tanks

Msg. 109726  Posted by Mitch on May 07, 1999 at 07:20:18:

In Reply to: Scuba tanks posted by Adam on May 07, 1999 at 01:11:24:

Most SCUBA tanks are filled to 3000+ psi, most PCP guns are filled to 2000-3000psi. Atmospheric pressure at sea level is less than 15psi. If you took it from sea level to a total vacuum, the change in pressure would be less than one percent.

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SM 1000, Is the barrel choked?

Msg. 109725  Posted by Eric Helfrich on May 07, 1999 at 07:10:18:

I was reading a few threads down about firing characteristics related to if a rifle is choked. I wondered if the SM 1000 barrel was choked?

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Re: tuning a Walther LP53

Msg. 109724  Posted by LOU V.K. on May 07, 1999 at 06:59:01:

In Reply to: tuning a Walther LP53 posted by Tom Wheeler on May 06, 1999 at 23:48:46:


If the upward jolt at the rear of the pistol is your complaint,there is notmuch that can be done about it.It is inherant in the design of the LP 53,as the power plant is located in the grip,and the piston flies upward upon the release of the trigger. This movement is quite fast,and,the resulting jolt to the pistol makes it somewhat difficult to shoot well. It is just a learning curve.It can be overcome with a good bit of practice,and a proper hold.
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web sites and offhand tips

Msg. 110907  Posted by jj on May 12, 1999 at 07:19:08:

In Reply to: got a good laugh on that one Jerry . NT posted by jj on May 12, 1999 at 07:00:16:

I did find a couple of web site on off-hand airgun shooting. But, I thought that there must be more to it than this, so I will post to see what others are doing.

Liked Wade and Lou's posting, can certainly see why the hard hip bone would be more stable. Liked the other postings as well, good to try a few things to see what works best for me.

Actually I am surprized at the response, I have enough to try and keep me busy for a while.

Bit of a bummer though, that others can get into the same sitting position I use (and thought I discovered). My fellow FT club members rib me about being a human pretzel.

Good shooting to all (cept those attending the Nationals this Nov.) ;-)
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got a good laugh on that one Jerry . NT

Msg. 110906  Posted by jj on May 12, 1999 at 07:00:16:

In Reply to: I thought I had something for you, jj.............................. posted by Jerry Rhodes on May 12, 1999 at 01:18:53:

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Re: Vermin eradication ( chipmunk harvesting )

Msg. 110904  Posted by MR Bulk� on May 12, 1999 at 06:50:49:

In Reply to: Re: Vermin eradication ( chipmunk harvesting ) posted by LOU V.K. on May 11, 1999 at 22:45:28:

There is NO comparison, my friend. Now if you would care to e-mail your snail mail to me...

MR Bulk�


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Re: CNC Programming

Msg. 110903  Posted by Mikael on May 12, 1999 at 06:49:46:

In Reply to: CNC Programming posted by MikeZ on May 11, 1999 at 23:05:54:

There is several languages to program a cnc machine. But the most common is so called ISO programming (g-codes). Cnc systems like fanuc, bosh alpha, siemens and heidenhein can be programed by ISO programming with rather small differenses. Yes both a mill and a lathe can use the same language but there is a lot of functions that only mills have and vice versa. I work with a Elgamill (working area 7x1.5x2 yards!) and do all the programming myself in heidenhein dialog and sometimes we change to ISO when we are milling forging tools and gets programs out of a 3d cad.
Mikael
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Re: Rat Busting With MR Bulk�

Msg. 110902  Posted by MR Bulk� on May 12, 1999 at 06:41:51:

In Reply to: Re: Rat Busting With MR Bulk� posted by ToddN on May 12, 1999 at 02:39:22:

I doubt any man has the proportionate strength of a rat, or the proportionate speed of a rat, or, to take this to its logical conclusion, the proportionate shock- or trauma-absorption capabilities of a rat.

Take it from one who has regularly gone out and, with a small group of other rat-hunting enthusiasts, killed literally Thousands of rats and witnessed literally many more Thousands of solid hits. Many more hits than kills were witnessed because a lot of them were able to absorb the relatively tremendous pellet impact yet still make it to their burrows at blinding speed, dying later.

It would be nice to have the rats stand perfectly still in a brightly lit environment, while we took our time to carefully aim for their necks or brains.

Then maybe a .177 would be enough.

MR Bulk�


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Record Championship Target Pistol?

Msg. 110901  Posted by joe on May 12, 1999 at 06:20:21:

Can someone point me at more information about the Record Championship Target Pistol? It is a spring piston pistol with a 12 shot magazine. What does it compare to?

Thanks
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BSA Super 10 - New Sporter Stock

Msg. 110900  Posted by MR Bulk� on May 12, 1999 at 05:44:21:

Saw a picture of the new sporter stock for the BSA Super 10, wondering if anyone knows a U.S. dealer from which they are available (gun is now called the BSA Super 10 MkII in the UK).

I posted the picture at Delphi - it shows the MkII and the regular Super 10 side by side for comparison.

Or if not the stock alone, then who sells the whole gun (MkII)?

TIA,

MR Bulk�


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Re: edit: im now 35+ not 8 ..; )

Msg. 110899  Posted by M Boyle on May 12, 1999 at 05:40:18:

In Reply to: sorry M Boyle, post was for Sean (nt) posted by Wade on May 11, 1999 at 09:42:27:

i bugs me when i hear of somone hunting fom truck.
in this case it mayhave been a mistype or grammer prob. i just remember my stepdad hunting greese from a truck. and useing us sister and brother as birdbogs to fetch the birds. i think it KCMO its against the law to hunt from a truck ..not sure though ..never did it..i still remember that as an 8 yr old..
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Re: Wade no biggy

Msg. 110898  Posted by M Boyle on May 12, 1999 at 05:37:50:

In Reply to: sorry M Boyle, post was for Sean (nt) posted by Wade on May 11, 1999 at 09:42:27:

i bugs me when i hear of somone hunting fom truck.
in this case it mayhave been a mistype or grammer prob. i just remember my stepdad hunting greese from a truck. and useing us sister and brother as birdbogs to fetch the birds. i think it KCMO its against the law to hunt from a truck ..not sure though ..never did it..i still remember that as an 8 yr old..
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Re: CNC Programming '' Mini mill has good Links '' urls

Msg. 110897  Posted by vZc on May 12, 1999 at 05:23:48:

In Reply to: CNC Programming posted by MikeZ on May 11, 1999 at 23:05:54:

Some interesting Websites:

http://www.metalworking.com A Great place lots of Resources
http://www.mindspring.com/~wgray1Metal Web News lots of Resources too
http://www.sherline.com Manufactures Lathe and http://www.se.null.com/~dmauch/ To build your own CNC System start here
http://www.web-span.com/amaxis/index.htm Sells a good set of plans to build a CNC Router. http://pwp.value.null/yeager/cncpro/ Sells a CNC package with controller software.



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Search argument: '' CNC + Programming '' has good leads ...

Msg. 110896  Posted by vZc on May 12, 1999 at 05:17:04:

In Reply to: CNC Programming posted by MikeZ on May 11, 1999 at 23:05:54:

... with Alta Vista

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Re: Close focus distances:Lou if you send it to OP Ks they install what ever rec they have in there custom rec line

Msg. 110895  Posted by M Boyle on May 12, 1999 at 05:08:03:

In Reply to: Re: Close focus distances posted by LOU V.K. on May 11, 1999 at 08:50:57:


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Re: Close focus distances: even though spec dont say its 50ft i did email them on it url inclosed

Msg. 110894  Posted by M Boyle on May 12, 1999 at 05:04:17:

In Reply to: Re: Close focus distances posted by LOU V.K. on May 11, 1999 at 08:50:57:



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Re: Giving replies without firsthand knowledge: lack of knowedge never stoped my opinions ;) NT

Msg. 110892  Posted by M Boyle on May 12, 1999 at 04:39:08:

In Reply to: Re: Giving replies without firsthand knowledge posted by E Fudd on May 12, 1999 at 01:41:21:


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Re: Beeman P-3....comments?

Msg. 110891  Posted by Phillip Reedy on May 12, 1999 at 03:27:15:

In Reply to: Beeman P-3....comments? posted by Mickey Z. on May 12, 1999 at 01:07:29:

Hello Mickey,

The P-3 would be an excellent choice for a first sporter pistol. It's not expensive, yet it is well made, accurate, and has the best trigger in it's class. The size and weight also lends itself well to long periods of field work. Since it is a single-stroke pneumatic, it will be easier for most people to shoot accurately because there isn't any spring vibration/recoil to deal with. It's also nice not having to purchase CO2 bulbs.
There are a few other pistols that you might consider, but given the P-3's price-to-fun ratio, I think it leads the short list.

hth,
Phil Reedy
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What are the rules in other states for airgun hunting

Msg. 110890  Posted by Conrad (SJ CA) on May 12, 1999 at 03:08:46:

In Reply to: Re: Doesnt anyone want to hunt with airguns ? posted by GH on May 12, 1999 at 02:55:55:

Can anyone tell me what the rules are for hunting
with airguns in other states ?

Or point me to their regs online ?


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Re: Doesnt anyone want to hunt with airguns ?

Msg. 110889  Posted by GH on May 12, 1999 at 02:55:55:

In Reply to: Doesnt anyone want to hunt with airguns ? posted by Conrad (SJ CA) on May 12, 1999 at 02:12:51:

Conrad,
Would seem as though a goodly number do,but as has been said,"all politics is local".
When wording regs. and laws there is always the tendency for the law ,or reg.,to have
unintended affects.[attempts at regs. for the inte.null showcase this tendency].
A more to-the-point comparison is the attempt to outlaw "assault weapons"...ohh me!..what
is an airgun?..Daisy Red Ryder? Pellet weight?..BB in a 760 will take out a squirrel..an 8.3g
in a Daisy 753 may not..Some type of energy min. is gonna be rqd..then the next thing ya know
the antis are gonna rear-up and say whoa..that's pretty powerful,maybe we should classify them as firearms if they are over
XXX ft-lb.
IMO the best way to proceed is to KNOW what the other States have for regs.-don't reinvent the wheel,just grease one
that is working.
Good Luck in your endeavor......
GH

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Re: new airgunner for hunting

Msg. 110888  Posted by Conrad (SJ CA) on May 12, 1999 at 02:46:55:

In Reply to: new airgunner for hunting posted by J. Casey Sheehan on May 11, 1999 at 17:01:35:

There is a used PCP gun for $330 posted on the
airguns classifieds.

For Sale: AR-6 Hunting master 2, 22 cal. like new. Asking $330.00 plus shipping. Contact
Larry at lkies@null.null or 414-476-6949 (CST). (submitted on 5/10/99 at 14:01:26)

You would need a pump or scuba tank and hoses. Though they might
be included with the gun.
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Re: Rat Busting With MR Bulk�

Msg. 110887  Posted by ToddN on May 12, 1999 at 02:39:22:

In Reply to: Re: Rat Busting With MR Bulk� posted by MR Bulk� on May 10, 1999 at 19:44:00:

A half pound rat getting hit with a .177 7gr.
is like a 200 pound man getting hit with something
like a 3000 gr.! ie - rats are tough but proportionally
speaking, a little 7gr. is humongous and is plenty
sufficient to do the job. (I don't doubt that a 14gr.
is more effective, though.)
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Doesnt anyone want to hunt with airguns ?

Msg. 110886  Posted by Conrad (SJ CA) on May 12, 1999 at 02:12:51:

In Reply to: Improvements to Calif DFG hunting regs for airguns posted by Conrad (SJ CA) on May 10, 1999 at 14:29:00:

Why are there so few posts in response to my
post ?
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.25 Perfect Rounds, #4 buckshot, and Beeman Kodiak

Msg. 110885  Posted by Elmer Fudd on May 12, 1999 at 02:05:16:

What, if any, is the difference between #4buck and .25 Perfect Rounds, and is it safe to shoot them in a Kodiak? Beeman recommends Perfect Rounds in the catalog for maximum power, and apparently contradicts this over the phone. Thanks for any info you might have.
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I wasn't aware of this.

Msg. 110884  Posted by E Fudd on May 12, 1999 at 01:58:39:

In Reply to: Re: What pellets do you prefer for the .22 Crow Magnum? .25 Kodiak? .20 RX-1? posted by Mark Boyd on May 12, 1999 at 00:52:57:

I believe that .25 perfect rounds and #4 buckshot are one and the same, but I wasn't aware that it was not recommended. I think I'll start a new thread on this topic and see if anyone knows for sure. Thanks for the info.
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Re: CNC Programming

Msg. 110883  Posted by JIm C. on May 12, 1999 at 01:55:31:

In Reply to: CNC Programming posted by MikeZ on May 11, 1999 at 23:05:54:

Mike, there are lots of software programs out there to program CNC machine tools.
The one I use is called Mastercam and it's one of the biggies. You can buy the basic
milling software or you can get the advanced 3D stuff or lathe,E.D.M., Laser cutting or
what ever you want. The software will use a Autocad file or several other formats which it will
convert. Then it's just a question of the programmer deciding what tools to use and in what
order to actually make the part. To my knowledge, there is no CNC software on the market
that will take an Autocad drawing and turn it into
a part, even though the A-hole I used to work for thought it was that easy.
Jim C.
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Re: Giving replies without firsthand knowledge

Msg. 110882  Posted by E Fudd on May 12, 1999 at 01:41:21:

In Reply to: Giving replies without firsthand knowledge posted by Ric in AZ on May 11, 1999 at 22:16:06:

I am probably guilty of this from time to time, but in most cases one does not need firsthand experience to speak in generalities. I don't have to have owned a Yugo to recommend that people avoid it. Likewise recommending a BSA supersport to a novice shooter after hearing RB and others praise it to the hilt seems like good advise. I notice many of the "experts" make educated guesses regularly when they have no personal experience with a gun. Even if you are talking about something quite technical extra input rarely hurts, especially since people in those discussions can ussually spot b.s.
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What is the website for Golden Toller ? (nt)

Msg. 110881  Posted by Mike on May 12, 1999 at 01:39:24:


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Wow, it is faster!!!!!!

Msg. 110880  Posted by Jerry Rhodes on May 12, 1999 at 01:28:11:

In Reply to: I can relate , but you can do something posted by Tyler Hathaway on May 12, 1999 at 00:04:40:

Tyler,

I completely forgot about IE. SS is quicker, AGL is quicker and AG is quicker also.

Thanks for mentioning it.

Jerry

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Re: Double-talk?

Msg. 110878  Posted by Rich on May 12, 1999 at 01:20:08:

In Reply to: Re: Double-talk? posted by jb/ohio on May 11, 1999 at 23:33:43:

jb, you answered your own question in a way. It looks
like in both cases you mentioned, you went back to the
the seller first and gave them a chance to rectify the situation.
If they weren't willing to work with you, then flame away.

Your posts to the forum are seen by thousands
of people who are judging you without benefit of seeing you
face to face. Choosing your words wisely will give your flame
a lot more heat.
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I thought I had something for you, jj..............................

Msg. 110877  Posted by Jerry Rhodes on May 12, 1999 at 01:18:53:

In Reply to: info. on shooting offhand posted by jj on May 10, 1999 at 14:42:31:

JJ,

I was doing a little "surfing" and I came upon this little 9 chapter "book" titled:

FMFM 0-9
Field Firing for the
M16A2 Rifle
U.S. Marine Corps
PCN 139 000024 00
FMFM 0-9 FIELD FIRING FOR THE M16A2 RIFLE

I thought, "By George, just what jj needs".

I got to reading it and it brought to mind another comprehensive treatise on the raising of goats (everything you needed to know) that was published in the MOTHER EARTH NEWS.

I read with interest and came to the part where they were going to give detailed instructions on how to castrate the excess males. (in a goat herd more than 1 is EXCESS). Being that since the age of 11 I was the family "surgeon" and had castrated everything EXCEPT goats I was excited to think that I was going to get the "straight skinny" from some real experts. The detailed method that was described was a bit of a let down.

The instructions were simple, "REMOVE TESTICLES".

I got the same impression from reading the USMC instruction book.

Jerry
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Re: Vermin eradication ( chipmunk harvesting )royal Kona is great stuff ill never do that canned crud agian NTbtw im in kan city Mo so it costs an arm and a legNT

Msg. 110876  Posted by M Boyle on May 12, 1999 at 01:15:06:

In Reply to: Re: Vermin eradication ( chipmunk harvesting ) posted by LOU V.K. on May 11, 1999 at 22:45:28:


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Re: jc, me to royal Kona is great..if i buy in the mall coffee store its $50 a lbs i love mailorder got in for $19 for a long time NT

Msg. 110875  Posted by M Boyle on May 12, 1999 at 01:11:25:

In Reply to: Re: Vermin eradication - fantasy posted by jcbii on May 11, 1999 at 23:37:33:


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Beeman P-3....comments?

Msg. 110874  Posted by Mickey Z. on May 12, 1999 at 01:07:29:

Would this make a good sporter first pistol?
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Re: Opinions on RWS Model 10 pistol....

Msg. 110873  Posted by jcbii on May 12, 1999 at 01:03:29:

In Reply to: Re: Opinions on RWS Model 10 pistol.... posted by tom on May 11, 1999 at 20:14:58:

This is just my experience, but my Daisy 777 makes significantly smaller groupings than my Beeman 850. It's probably that "spring-piston vs. pnuematic" thing. (ha)
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Re: Straightshooters web site

Msg. 110872  Posted by Mark Lemm on May 12, 1999 at 01:03:15:

In Reply to: Straightshooters web site posted by John M on May 11, 1999 at 23:25:10:

I'm there almost every day and don't have any problems. Using.nullscape 4.5 on a Macintosh.

-Mark
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Re: SCUBA TANKS...

Msg. 110871  Posted by Joey on May 12, 1999 at 01:01:54:

In Reply to: Re: SCUBA TANKS... posted by RBest on May 12, 1999 at 00:50:26:


Russ thats what i want to do.Let me ask you .Do you think that the number of shots will decrease as you fill the gun less and less,and vel.Or in the reg. guns its not so critical? Thanks Joey
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Re: What pellets do you prefer for the .22 Crow Magnum? .25 Kodiak? .20 RX-1?

Msg. 110870  Posted by Mark Boyd on May 12, 1999 at 00:52:57:

In Reply to: Re: What pellets do you prefer for the .22 Crow Magnum? .25 Kodiak? .20 RX-1? posted by E Fudd on May 11, 1999 at 00:30:16:

Is is safe to shoot #4 buckshot in a Kodiak? I was told by Beeman that they do not recommend shooting .25 perfect rounds in the Kodiak. I said this appears to be in direct conflict with what their catalog says and was told again that they do not recommend perfect rounds for the Kodiak. What is the real story here? Will the gun, spring, seal, etc. be damaged by shooting perfect rounds or #4 buck shot???
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Re: SCUBA TANKS...

Msg. 110869  Posted by RBest on May 12, 1999 at 00:50:26:

In Reply to: Re: SCUBA TANKS... posted by Joey on May 12, 1999 at 00:42:09:

Joey: if you guys are talking about topping off the tank with the Axsor or the Easy up- forget about it. Easier to top off the gun after filling. Multiple tanks is best. Russ
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Re: Who's all going to the St. Louis show ? (nt)

Msg. 110868  Posted by Rich on May 12, 1999 at 00:46:54:

In Reply to: Re: Who's all going to the St. Louis show ? (nt) posted by jb/ohio on May 11, 1999 at 23:21:44:

jb, what was the show like? antiques, modern,
any retailers or manufacturers? TIA
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Acro I

Msg. 110867  Posted by trevor on May 12, 1999 at 00:45:46:

Will someone please tell me when Ampell sold the Acro. Gun Digests suggest 1975(can't find a mention in later literature)???
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Re: Avoid the poll. Biased Questions.of course,BUT:

Msg. 110866  Posted by E Fudd on May 12, 1999 at 00:42:16:

In Reply to: Re: Avoid the poll. Biased Questions.of course,BUT: posted by RBest on May 11, 1999 at 18:32:54:

The real purpose of voting in these things is to confound the pompous, gun grabbing media, and to deny them a tool to use against us. It doesn't matter that popular entertainment isn't to blame because our rights to that aren't under seige, and would be defended by every liberal group under the sun anyway.
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Re: SCUBA TANKS...

Msg. 110865  Posted by Joey on May 12, 1999 at 00:42:09:

In Reply to: Re: SCUBA TANKS... posted by RBest on May 12, 1999 at 00:31:48:


what about topping of the tank? I fill my guns up two or three times,and then the psi will only go to 2700. So im not getting the 3000 every time in the gun.I know on my career there is no reg. so do you think it makes a difference? Thanks
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Re: Straightshooters web site: if you havnt emptied inte.null temp file lately that can low thing down a great deal NT

Msg. 110864  Posted by M Boyle on May 12, 1999 at 00:41:07:

In Reply to: Straightshooters web site posted by John M on May 11, 1999 at 23:25:10:



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Re: Doing business on the Interent

Msg. 110862  Posted by jcbii on May 12, 1999 at 00:38:12:

In Reply to: Doing business on the Interent posted by The Airgun Letter on May 11, 1999 at 07:47:17:

It sounds like maybe some confusion could stem from one's view of the forum. If you look at it as though you were speaking to a group of friends(or at least people you share something in common with), you are more likely to say things that are a more "private" than you would if you viewed it as though you were placing an article in a local newspaper. I am in total agreement with your post though, and Lou V.K. also said something in a later post that I hadn't considered concerning custom guns versus "pass through" distributors.

My feeling about the original post, though, is that this individual was not looking to slam MAC-1, but rather to get a quick fix to his problem. I thought he was dealt with a little harshly by some. Maybe the wording of his post could have been a little different in order to differentiate between a question vs. a complaint, although I do not know if that would have helped.

In regards to e-mail. Part of my job is communicating with various tech support personnel via e-mail. I don't start to worry about receiving a reply until about 1 to 2 weeks. Just the name of the game - people are busy and you have to allow them time to reply. Still beats phone calls (which require indefinite periods of holding). E-mail is like "Fire and Forget" - I love it!
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Re: SCUBA TANKS...

Msg. 110861  Posted by JaB on May 12, 1999 at 00:33:42:

In Reply to: SCUBA TANKS... posted by Adam on May 11, 1999 at 23:48:21:


Adam,
Get another tank or two. Then you will have longer between refills or you could rotate tanks and never be without air.
JaB
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Re: SCUBA TANKS...

Msg. 110860  Posted by RBest on May 12, 1999 at 00:31:48:

In Reply to: SCUBA TANKS... posted by Adam on May 11, 1999 at 23:48:21:

Adam: there are a couple brands ( you ARE talking about compressors, right?) You certainly don't want to fill a SCUBA tank from an Axsor pump or the like!! The Typhoon is a 3000+psi compressor, and it can be had for around $1400-- somebody correct me if the price is off.
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Re: CNC Programming

Msg. 110859  Posted by Steve B. on May 12, 1999 at 00:30:48:

In Reply to: CNC Programming posted by MikeZ on May 11, 1999 at 23:05:54:

Mike: In the past I've used FANAC machines (G code, turtle graphic-like code). These days anybody (everybody) using Autocad probably just runs the drawing code through a software converter (there a bunches of them and they're machine and process dependent) to generate the actual machine code.

HTH - Steve B.
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Re: Recipes

Msg. 110858  Posted by RBest on May 12, 1999 at 00:28:21:

In Reply to: Recipes posted by Eric Field on May 11, 1999 at 17:22:07:

Eric: It's an excellent dish. I even think the Fanny Farmer Cookbook has a recipe for it ( or was it the Betty Crocker cookbook).?? Russ
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Re: Double-talk?

Msg. 110857  Posted by ToddN on May 12, 1999 at 00:10:58:

In Reply to: Re: Double-talk? posted by jb/ohio on May 11, 1999 at 23:36:53:

(sigh) There you go again, Joe, wondering what on earth
we need to be nice for. Wording is important 'cause it
lets others know, either accurately or inaccurately,
not just what you are saying, but what your motive are
as well. Especially on-line where words come without
the person's demeanor etc. Wording is *everything*.
And, of course, no, careful wording doesn't have to
mean you're 'sucking' up. (hate that word!)


regards
Todd
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I can relate , but you can do something

Msg. 110856  Posted by Tyler Hathaway on May 12, 1999 at 00:04:40:

In Reply to: Re: Straightshooters web site posted by AHH on May 11, 1999 at 23:52:10:

I have that same problem on a lot of websites i go to so what i did is got Microsoft inte.null Explorer it works real fast
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Re: Hey Lou and Anthony?

Msg. 110854  Posted by Steve Parker on May 11, 1999 at 23:53:26:

In Reply to: Re: Anyone have .22 Eley Magnums for mail order? posted by LOU V.K. on May 11, 1999 at 08:01:42:


Lou and Anthony: I would appreciate any feedback you could give me as to the performance of the Magnums. I use Dae Sungs in my AR6. They are very accurate, but am interested in trying the Mags. Thanks.
Steve
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How about this...

Msg. 110853  Posted by ToddN on May 11, 1999 at 23:53:10:

In Reply to: Giving replies without firsthand knowledge posted by Ric in AZ on May 11, 1999 at 22:16:06:

Instead of inexperienced shooters being encouraged to
keep quiet - ie those without much practical knowledge
(like me) - perhaps they should be encouraged to
get in the practice of referencing or disclaiming
their advice/answers/suggestions. That way they can
feel free to jump in and contribute, which I'm sure
is all they want to do!
An idea.

Todd
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Re: Who's all going to the St. Louis show ? (nt)

Msg. 110852  Posted by Doug of Nevada on May 11, 1999 at 23:52:26:

In Reply to: Who's all going to the St. Louis show ? (nt) posted by C. Brown on May 11, 1999 at 19:48:51:

Looking forward to it, see there cb!
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Re: Straightshooters web site

Msg. 110851  Posted by AHH on May 11, 1999 at 23:52:10:

In Reply to: Straightshooters web site posted by John M on May 11, 1999 at 23:25:10:

I have not had any problem with the web site. After reading your post I went over to check it out -- pages load and draw to screen in a second or two. Could be your ISP server is just really tied up and has limited bandwith or one of the servers in the path to the site is experiencing overload. I have found that at times,if my cache is very full, I experience some delay in loading web pages. It also may be that with all the newbies, like myself, on the site their system resources my at capacity.

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Re: Must be custom made for each grip!! (NT)

Msg. 110850  Posted by Wampas on May 11, 1999 at 23:49:48:

In Reply to: Re: Must be custom made for each grip!! (NT) posted by Jerry Rhodes on May 11, 1999 at 22:49:29:

Jerry,
Thanks for the info. I have been looking all over for grip caps, the only ones I could find are the same ones you mentioned in Brownells catalog. As you say, I'll probably have to make my own.
Wampas
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SCUBA TANKS...

Msg. 110849  Posted by Adam on May 11, 1999 at 23:48:21:

I have a Daystate PCP airgun, and I fill it up to 3000 psi with a scuba tank. I found it a pain to get the tank filled up every 15-20 times I fill my gun, so I was wondering if there was a sort of pump that could fill a scuba tank, and where I could get that (maybe price, also). Thanx

-Adam Singh
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Re: Vermin eradication - fantasy

Msg. 110848  Posted by jcbii on May 11, 1999 at 23:37:33:

In Reply to: Vermin eradication ( chipmunk harvesting ) posted by LOU V.K. on May 11, 1999 at 15:45:55:

I think I am going to have to live out my airgun "fantasies" through your posts! I have only been able to shoot 3 rats in the last 9 months (2 in my garage, and 1 on the front patio). I check the garage weekly for rat droppings and nothing! I complain to my wife that there aren't any rats, and she thinks I am ready for the looney bin! I could really use a vermin problem! (ha)

P.S. - Kona coffee is the best!
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Re: Double-talk?

Msg. 110847  Posted by jb/ohio on May 11, 1999 at 23:36:53:

In Reply to: Re: Double-talk? posted by RickK on May 11, 1999 at 14:21:32:


rick, wording is always important, but, forgive me for asking (how's my wording?), does mean that we need to suck up? if so, why? joe blake of ohio
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Re: Straightshooters web site

Msg. 110846  Posted by RBest on May 11, 1999 at 23:33:47:

In Reply to: Straightshooters web site posted by John M on May 11, 1999 at 23:25:10:

John: I mentioned it to Straightshooters recently. AOL HAS been slower than normal lately though. BTW, the speed at which you connect does not stay constant, but fluctuates up and down as the load changes to your ISP. While you may have connected at 49+k, you can drop much lower while you are logged on. Regards, Russ
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Re: Double-talk?

Msg. 110845  Posted by jb/ohio on May 11, 1999 at 23:33:43:

In Reply to: Re: Double-talk? posted by LOU V.K. on May 11, 1999 at 07:50:14:


why the difference lou? i've never had a problem with one of the big distributors. but, you know, i got an air rifle i sent for repair back from one of the little guys with the rear sight broken off and, clearly, because of the way it was packaged. i e-mailed him, and he said, essentially, "take it to ups." what a prick. i paid the $9 for a new one and will never deal with that sob again. i sent another airgun to a different "little guy" for repair and it came back with, literally screws loose (that couldn't be tightened). i'll never deal with him again, either. why is it that if i name names i'll be crucified? joe blake of ohio
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Good Advice but one step further .....

Msg. 110844  Posted by H. Todd on May 11, 1999 at 23:33:38:

In Reply to: Don't sugar coat it Ric, tell us how you feel......nt posted by Ron B on May 11, 1999 at 22:24:49:

Now I have owned most everything being rather complusive........ just having experience does not make one qualified to respond. I can tell you my impressions and experience but we are all biased so take it all with a grain of salt. The ones I mistrust the most are those in any form of the airgun business, ie someone who can benefit from someone else spending his/her money in a certain way. I'm a fool who tries to be honest and often annoys others who have jumped on the latest fad and wonder gun or scope. Join AAFTA if you want to learn and see what guns/scopes win over and over.

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Hey Ric

Msg. 110843  Posted by LOU V.K. on May 11, 1999 at 23:30:07:

In Reply to: Giving replies without firsthand knowledge posted by Ric in AZ on May 11, 1999 at 22:16:06:


This is,and has been an ongoing problem on not only this forum,but,on all of the woodworking forums,and the metal working forums. The best thing to do,I guess,is to correct them gently,and increase your ferver with each repeat as it is needed. If all of us old guys would remember that we once thought that we needed no more information than what we already had,we would be able to be a bit more tolerant. It does get a bit old in a hurry,though.
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Straightshooters web site

Msg. 110842  Posted by John M on May 11, 1999 at 23:25:10:

I have just given up trying to use Straight Shooters web site. The links were so slow it would have taken several minutes to get to the catalog. Anyone else having the same problem? I was connected at 49333 bps
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Re: new p1 under $300?

Msg. 110841  Posted by jcbii on May 11, 1999 at 23:24:17:

In Reply to: new p1 under $300? posted by tom on May 11, 1999 at 20:38:13:

Tom,
I don't think this is the vendor you are talking about, but Raso Rod & Rifle has the P1 listed for $299.00 (I think that would qualify as < $300). Anyway, I have ordered two airguns from Raso without any problems.
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Re: Who's all going to the St. Louis show ? (nt)

Msg. 110840  Posted by jb/ohio on May 11, 1999 at 23:21:44:

In Reply to: Who's all going to the St. Louis show ? (nt) posted by C. Brown on May 11, 1999 at 19:48:51:


anyone within a comfortable drive should go, if they are into airguns. we live in dayton, ohio. we went last year (me to the show and both of us to st. louis) and enjoyed it a lot (and not just because my wife transformed a day and a half for the airgun show into a 4 day mini-vacation). we'll be there this year, too, barring the viscitudes of selling one house and building another. it's worth the trip. joe blake of ohio btw, i understand that the infamous Wile E. Coyote was there last year, although in disguise. i didn't see the dude myself. more's the pity!
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R1 SPRING - BENJAMIN 347 TUNE UP

Msg. 110839  Posted by RANGER on May 11, 1999 at 23:20:12:

THE SPRING IN MY R1 177 HAS TAKEN A CANT AND I WOULD LIKE TO REPLACE IT. ANY SUGGESTIONS AS TO A GOOD REPLACEMENT SPRING OR TUNE-UP KIT TO USE? THE GUN IS USED FOR INFORMAL TARGET AND PLINKING AND THE OCCASIONAL BLACKBIRD. I AM CONSIDERING THE BEEMAN LAZER KIT. ALSO, I HAVE A 1969 BENJAMIN PUMP THAT NEEDS NEW SEALS OR MORE- I WOULD LIKE TO GET IT BACK IN GOOD SHOOTING CONDITION.
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Re: Mounts for AccuDot on P1?

Msg. 110838  Posted by Luis Leon on May 11, 1999 at 23:19:52:

In Reply to: Mounts for AccuDot on P1? posted by Ross on May 11, 1999 at 22:13:38:

Had the same problem with my P1, you can order your mounts from B-Square. They make 30mm rings to fit an 11mm dovetail, which is what you have on the P1... Contact them and they will help you out. They have a web-site... Hope this helps...

Luis
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Getting WAY off airguns here, but...

Msg. 110837  Posted by ToddN on May 11, 1999 at 23:16:01:

In Reply to: Be careful with what you recommend! posted by David P on May 11, 1999 at 22:41:33:

Creatine is a natural occuring amino-acid derivative
produced in the body at the rate of 1 or 2
grams/day and simply aids in replenishing ATP stores
in the muscles. Its been on the market for at least 5 years
now and thus far has been proven to be a very effective
and safe supplement. Like anything, it could be abused
though, and I wouldn't encourage young teenagers to
use it or anything else other than vitamins and protein and
carbohydrate supplementation for the serious athlete.
There's just no need for real young people to be
cycling with lots of additional chemicals and things,
even if they are natural-occuring. But I'm in the wrong
forum for this kind of chit-chat so I'll shut-up.

Todd


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Only two. Read instructions, then clean the bore before shooting.

Msg. 110836  Posted by RBest on May 11, 1999 at 23:13:54:

In Reply to: Just bought new airgun.....any first steps to take before shooting? (nt) posted by Question Man on May 11, 1999 at 22:29:09:

I recommend bore cleaning first because it gets out and factory preservatives and crud that may contribute to dieseling, and the gun might also group a little better in it's first outing. NOW- go shoot! RB
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way to go!

Msg. 110835  Posted by doc on May 11, 1999 at 23:11:07:

In Reply to: Giving replies without firsthand knowledge posted by Ric in AZ on May 11, 1999 at 22:16:06:


nt
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CNC Programming

Msg. 110834  Posted by MikeZ on May 11, 1999 at 23:05:54:

Hi Folks! I was wondering how a CNC machine is programmed. Is there a specific predominant CNC programming out, are there more than one? What are they?

Can one language be used for a CNC mill and a CNC lathe? How about a CNC lanaguage compiler? Thx, MikeZ


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Re: FWB 124 Sporter

Msg. 110833  Posted by LOU V.K. on May 11, 1999 at 23:04:49:

In Reply to: Re: FWB 124 Sporter posted by RBest on May 11, 1999 at 18:29:19:


As a using rifle,I still prefer the R9. That was a good sale by Tim,though.
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Re: Little Rock Wish we hard airgun show in NH. (nt)

Msg. 110832  Posted by DALE W MERRILL SR on May 11, 1999 at 23:03:38:

In Reply to: Re: Little Rock posted by MR Bulk� on May 11, 1999 at 23:00:11:

nt
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Re: Open mouth--- change feet. An apology.

Msg. 110831  Posted by LOU V.K. on May 11, 1999 at 23:01:13:

In Reply to: Open mouth--- change feet. An apology. posted by RBest on May 11, 1999 at 22:20:52:


Like Russ,I was corrected by Dave Slade,via e-mail, about my assumption that there was only one authorized A.A. warranty service agent in the U.S..It seems that Dave Slade,owner operator of Airgunwerks is also authorized by A.A. to make warranty repairs on their guns.
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Re: Little Rock

Msg. 110830  Posted by MR Bulk� on May 11, 1999 at 23:00:11:

In Reply to: Re: Little Rock posted by Doug Law on May 11, 1999 at 15:59:53:

"Darn sure wish someone would have a show out west somewhere!!!!"

Yeah!

MR Bulk�



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Re: Common hunting places in houston, tx...(ones you won't get the funny looks from others)

Msg. 110829  Posted by carlos on May 11, 1999 at 22:49:44:

In Reply to: Common hunting places in houston, tx...(ones you won't get the funny looks from others) posted by sean on May 11, 1999 at 00:25:31:

Sean,an hour's drive north is the Sam Houston National Forest. You can hunt there to your heart's content. I advise that you get a copy of the Texas hunting regulations before you shoot anything as well as a hunting license. If you don't want to travel that far, find a private land owner near you through a real estate agent or even the Harris County Wildlife Management office(r). Much of Harris County is still rural. Carlos
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Yea - the ones out the door to the back yard! ;) (nt)

Msg. 110828  Posted by ToddN on May 11, 1999 at 22:49:34:

In Reply to: Just bought new airgun.....any first steps to take before shooting? (nt) posted by Question Man on May 11, 1999 at 22:29:09:

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Re: Must be custom made for each grip!! (NT)

Msg. 110827  Posted by Jerry Rhodes on May 11, 1999 at 22:49:29:

In Reply to: Must be custom made for each grip!! (NT) posted by Wampas on May 11, 1999 at 22:27:55:

Wamp,

Looks like you are going to have to cobble up your own. I bought a couple of nicely shaped unfinished steel caps from Brownell's. It was a case of "cutting the garment to fit the cloth". I used them on a TX Tyro and a sporter pattern for my PE. I like slim wrists so they worked out great for me. You might be able to get a replacement cap from Beeman's for the Kodiak if you need bigger. I am going to try making a pattern and casting one in pewter or tin for the new stock that I am preparing for my R9. I want to know if there are any nice ones out there too that might save me some work.

Jerry


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Re: Vermin eradication ( chipmunk harvesting )

Msg. 110826  Posted by LOU V.K. on May 11, 1999 at 22:45:28:

In Reply to: Re: Vermin eradication ( chipmunk harvesting ) posted by MR Bulk� on May 11, 1999 at 21:39:41:

Is KONA coffe better than the stuff that Juan Valdez is advertising for?

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Re: depression.

Msg. 110825  Posted by BJC on May 11, 1999 at 22:41:50:

In Reply to: depression. posted by ERIC on May 11, 1999 at 20:59:41:

About the creatine, don't use it if you have to do anything related to weight. A few of the wrestlers at school(myself included) got the bright idea of using that stuff before practice because we were doing so much exercise we might as well build muscle. Big mistake. GAINED 6lbs. in one day with weigh ins the next morning. We all were wearing sweats and running in the gym to lose it all. Ran to and from school the next morning to finally get down. Made it by a 1/4lb and lost the match.

BJC
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Be careful with what you recommend!

Msg. 110824  Posted by David P on May 11, 1999 at 22:41:33:

In Reply to: on another note posted by max on May 11, 1999 at 21:41:20:

The long term health effects of creatine aren't known! The proposed mechanism of action of creatine has nothing to do with water retention. Steroids...why even mention those at all? You certainly may make decisions for yourself, but I'd be careful with what you recommend to others, esp. to a youngster. Perhaps Eric's parents should have a say. Further, 28 or 22, does it really matter?
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David Slade

Msg. 110823  Posted by Tom Jue/ca/usa on May 11, 1999 at 22:39:10:

In Reply to: My RX-1 is sick. Please help! posted by Darwin on May 10, 1999 at 17:21:47:

David has just finished going over my RX-1 in .22 cal. He has worked on my Rapid 7 also. He is very easy to work with. His prices are very reasonable. I believe he specializes in gas rams. He's also known for his excellent trigger work.

Tom Jue/ca/usa

Airgunwerks (Dave Slade in California)
888-578-0182 (orders only), 714-891-6801
http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/Rapids/1691/slade.html
airgunwerk@null.null
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Re: Marksman Mod 70, .177

Msg. 110822  Posted by LOU V.K. on May 11, 1999 at 22:37:37:

In Reply to: Marksman Mod 70, .177 posted by Glenn on May 11, 1999 at 21:54:54:


This is a very slightly modified version of the HW 85,commonly known,here in the States as a Beeman R10 deluxe.It is a respected rifle,and is known for good service,except that,like all spring guns,the msin,power spring is subject to fracture. When this occurs,there are aftermarket spring makers who manufacture lifetime warranted replacements,at relatively low cost.
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Just bought new airgun.....any first steps to take before shooting? (nt)

Msg. 110821  Posted by Question Man on May 11, 1999 at 22:29:09:


(nt)
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Must be custom made for each grip!! (NT)

Msg. 110819  Posted by Wampas on May 11, 1999 at 22:27:55:

In Reply to: Who sells grip caps?? posted by Wampas on May 11, 1999 at 19:34:05:

-
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Don't sugar coat it Ric, tell us how you feel......nt

Msg. 110817  Posted by Ron B on May 11, 1999 at 22:24:49:

In Reply to: Giving replies without firsthand knowledge posted by Ric in AZ on May 11, 1999 at 22:16:06:


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Open mouth--- change feet. An apology.

Msg. 110816  Posted by RBest on May 11, 1999 at 22:20:52:

In Reply to: Re: Factory service on PE's posted by RBest on May 11, 1999 at 19:54:29:

It has come to my attention that my previous comment can be taken in a number of ways, not the least of which was a 'put down' of Dave Slade and/or Rada Plesinger. Nothing is further from truth, as I respect all the parties involved and admire each of them for their efforts in bringing us all some really great airguns. I was merely trying to be 'cute', and in my self absorbed rush to post my idiotic drivel, I didn't see it as an insult. It was not. My apologies to all involved. Sincerely, Russ
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Giving replies without firsthand knowledge

Msg. 110815  Posted by Ric in AZ on May 11, 1999 at 22:16:06:

Lately I have noticed some advice given from someone who I KNOW has no personal experience with the weapon(s) in question. While giving references and recommendations can be helpful, it can also be harmful if you don't know what you are talking about. If someone asks a question and you read the answer somewhere, let the person who wrote the original response field that question . I know a lot about airguns too, but I don't flaunt it, because most of what I know is based on what I have read at this and other forums. On the other hand, if I have owned the weapon(s) or experienced similar problems in a similar weapon I am glad to share knowledge with others. Maybe I just woke up on the wrong side of the bed, but I get a little irked when a very young and inexperienced shooter (Like I am!) answers almost as many questions a RB, without firsthand experience of the situation at hand. Not trying to piss anyone off, just giving my opinion on the matter. I am not trying to discourage any one either. In fact, just the opposite. If you have useful info I encourage you to post it, BUT, be sure to include where you read it. Or at least that you don't have the experience yourself, but you heard that such and such a gun shoots better with such and such spring from so and so. Sorry if I came across like a jerk.
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Mounts for AccuDot on P1?

Msg. 110814  Posted by Ross on May 11, 1999 at 22:13:38:

I just got a Tasco AccuDot (30MM) and Beeman 5030M mounts for my P1. The AccuDot is too large to fit in the mounts! What mounts are large enough to fit the AccuDot and also fit on the small rail on the P1? Thanks.
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Re: new p1 under $300? Yes!

Msg. 110813  Posted by Ross on May 11, 1999 at 21:58:12:

In Reply to: new p1 under $300? posted by tom on May 11, 1999 at 20:38:13:

Tom; I believe it was my post. Check out cdom@null.null The web page is limited and doesn't include the P1. You will need to send e-mail to the owner, Cesar R. Dominguez, and ask him for his price on a P1. I got my .20 caliber P1, new, for $297.50 w/ shipping! He also carries all Beeman products, including pellets, at great prices. Just send him a note and he will give you a quote back. He also has great service. Good Luck!

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Supermax is not made in .22 cal nt

Msg. 110811  Posted by Ric in AZ on May 11, 1999 at 21:55:16:

In Reply to: Re: new airgunner for hunting posted by ERIC on May 11, 1999 at 20:43:57:


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Marksman Mod 70, .177

Msg. 110810  Posted by Glenn on May 11, 1999 at 21:54:54:

I would like to hear from anyone comments about the Marksman Mod 70 air rifle.
Things I want to know include parts availability, reputation, etc.. I have
opportunity to acquire one in like new condition & would like to know more
about it. Thanks, Glenn
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Re: on another note

Msg. 110809  Posted by ERIC on May 11, 1999 at 21:54:51:

In Reply to: Re: on another note posted by ERIC on May 11, 1999 at 21:50:46:

I also want to mention that it's really my fault I didn't make the record. At the beginning of sixth grade, I did 7, at the end, I did 10, beginning of 7th, i did 14, then later 19. Begining of 8th, I did 19( didn't work out over the summer), now I do 22.
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Re: on another note

Msg. 110808  Posted by ERIC on May 11, 1999 at 21:50:46:

In Reply to: on another note posted by max on May 11, 1999 at 21:41:20:

but i can't! This is my 8th grade year and I'm moving on the 29th! I'll never get to do it again!
( sob sob)
On another note, it's sadness that lets you difine joy. and a little bit of mourning is healthy.It helps you apreciate the good times. Though I'm not enjoying it much now.
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Re: Go ahead - RUB IT IN!!! Careers Rule!!!!!!!

Msg. 110807  Posted by burbago on May 11, 1999 at 21:50:31:

In Reply to: Re: Go ahead - RUB IT IN!!! Careers Rule!!!!!!! posted by Anthony Storey on May 11, 1999 at 19:58:52:


Robert Hamilton was right.
If you shoot a Career, you run the risk of getting bored because you always hit where you aim!
I must add:
Since it's recoilless you also get to watch the holes appear in your target. The only adventure is adjusting your power........and walking the 100 yards to and from your target after you have blasted all the peanuts out from their shells.
If you shoot a Career you need either a hundred yard range, moving targets, or a windy day.
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Great service from epistols

Msg. 110806  Posted by max on May 11, 1999 at 21:47:30:

Recently I called epistols for scope mounts for my lizzard. Since they did not accept credit cards i asked to have the mounts shipped c.o.d. When you cant wait you cant wait! To save me five bucks on c.o.d. they offered to send the item as long as i would send in a check after i recieved the scope mounts. Hows that for service and conveniance.
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on another note

Msg. 110805  Posted by max on May 11, 1999 at 21:41:20:

In Reply to: depression. posted by ERIC on May 11, 1999 at 20:59:41:

Eric, i too went for the school pull up record. Try taking creatine. When i did so my pull ups went from a long standing 20-22 to an all time high of 28. Creatine causes water retention as do steroids. Water retention actually aids significantly to your strength. Two weeks for full results. By the way, when i stopped with creatine my numbers dropped back down. so cheer up!

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Daisy Precision model 126

Msg. 110804  Posted by mark on May 11, 1999 at 21:40:04:

I am just starting to shoot air rifle. I got a used Daisy Mod 126 , I think I got a good deal. What should a used one go for? Also does anyone in the Atlanta area go to Wolf Creek? How much does it cost etc. Any info on either subject will be appreciated.
Mark
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Re: Vermin eradication ( chipmunk harvesting )

Msg. 110803  Posted by MR Bulk� on May 11, 1999 at 21:39:41:

In Reply to: Vermin eradication ( chipmunk harvesting ) posted by LOU V.K. on May 11, 1999 at 15:45:55:

Lou,

I wish I was there with you. And we'd also be sharing some KONA Coffee!

Regards,

MR Bulk�


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Re: Vermin eradication ( chipmunk harvesting )

Msg. 110802  Posted by ERIC on May 11, 1999 at 21:15:06:

In Reply to: Vermin eradication ( chipmunk harvesting ) posted by LOU V.K. on May 11, 1999 at 15:45:55:

You are so lucky. i see an occasional sparrow every other week, and usually I miss.
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Re: Mailing my Pro Elite?

Msg. 110801  Posted by ERIC on May 11, 1999 at 21:12:44:

In Reply to: Mailing my Pro Elite? posted by jason on May 11, 1999 at 02:08:45:

first, i wrap them securely with a thick layer of that bubble paper stuff. You know with the clear plastic bubles? i forget the name.Then I pack it into a box and fill the crevacis and nooks and crannies with newspaper. Then I bubble wrap the box too and place it in still another box.
There! now not even the ham-handed gorrilas the ups people use to transport the packages can so much and make a scratch on your precious gun.
HTH
ERIC
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Re: ft. lbs of .22 LR rimfire?

Msg. 110800  Posted by Alan on May 11, 1999 at 21:06:19:

In Reply to: ft. lbs of .22 LR rimfire? posted by Clint on May 11, 1999 at 09:03:25:

Sorry but my calculator is broken. Standard .22LR high velocity is a 40 gr. bullet going 1250fps. I own a couple of airrifles but they now collect dust after I purchased my Ruger 10/22T. Brand new 280 bucks with accuracy close enough to some real good airguns.
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Re: IZH61 Rifle - sold in Canada?

Msg. 110799  Posted by ERIC on May 11, 1999 at 21:05:08:

In Reply to: IZH61 Rifle - sold in Canada? posted by W. Edwards on May 11, 1999 at 12:13:31:

why don't you just buy one over the.null? it's pretty hard to find anything but crosmans and daisys unless you know where to go. I think it was golden tollers that sold them.
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I know how you feel man (NT)

Msg. 110798  Posted by Tyler Hathaway on May 11, 1999 at 21:02:59:

In Reply to: depression. posted by ERIC on May 11, 1999 at 20:59:41:


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Re: Common hunting places in houston, tx...(ones you won't get the funny looks from others)

Msg. 110797  Posted by Jerry Rhodes on May 11, 1999 at 21:02:23:

In Reply to: Re: Common hunting places in houston, tx...(ones you won't get the funny looks from others) posted by Wade on May 11, 1999 at 09:40:02:

Wade,

I copied some stuff from the TXP&W site that might be of interest:


Game animals and game birds may be hunted with any legal firearm, EXCEPT:

Deer, desert bighorn sheep, pronghorn, may NOT be hunted with .22 caliber rimfire ammunition
In the following counties: Angelina, Bowie, Cass, Cherokee, Delta, Gregg, Harrison, Hopkins, Jasper, Lamar,
Marion, Nacogdoches, Newton, Red River, Sabine, San Augustine, and Trinity, during the spring turkey season,
shotguns are the only weapons that may be used to hunt turkeys
Pellet guns and other air guns are NOT LEGAL
Fully automatic firearms are NOT LEGAL
Firearms equipped with silencers or sound-suppressing devices are NOT LEGAL
Migratory game birds may be hunted only with a permanently plugged shotgun

No mention of any caliber except .22 rim fire in some instances. And absolutely NO "bb" guns.

Jerry
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Re: I ordered the R9

Msg. 110796  Posted by ERIC on May 11, 1999 at 21:02:09:

In Reply to: I ordered the R9 posted by daveyg on May 11, 1999 at 18:15:33:

Congrats, I hope you enjoy your new gun. I hope it's flawless and there's nothing wrong with it.
Sorry, didn't mean to bring you down with me.
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depression.

Msg. 110795  Posted by ERIC on May 11, 1999 at 20:59:41:

It's been raining for the last 2 weeks, and I haven't seen the sun since. My 392 developed a squeek and I'm sick with a cold and had to go to school anyway. I shot at a dozen starlings and only hit once, and that time it was a bad shot too. The school pull-up record I've been training to break for the last 3 years is 23. I did 22. probably because of the cold. walking home from school today my stuff fell out of my bag and into a muddy puddle. At least nobody was watching.
Sigh, my head hurts.
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Re:Count on me, going to the St. Louis show ? (nt)

Msg. 110794  Posted by lc on May 11, 1999 at 20:55:49:

In Reply to: Who's all going to the St. Louis show ? (nt) posted by C. Brown on May 11, 1999 at 19:48:51:

nt
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Re: new airgunner for hunting

Msg. 110793  Posted by ERIC on May 11, 1999 at 20:43:57:

In Reply to: new airgunner for hunting posted by J. Casey Sheehan on May 11, 1999 at 17:01:35:

.25 isn't that good a caliber ( this is just my opinion, for all you .25 lovers). There aren't too many pellets avaible and so, not being able to find a pellet that your gun shoots well, accuracy may suffer. Also, the .25 has a trajectory like a rainbow, and if you can't estimate range and trajectory well, you may get bad hits at longer ranges. Try a .22 cal. Guns you might look at are steriod streak or 392, the supermax 1000, the supersport.

HTh
ERIC
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" The laws in Texas do not allow for anything under a .243 caliber to be used for hunting "

Msg. 110792  Posted by Bill L on May 11, 1999 at 20:42:13:

In Reply to: Re: Common hunting places in houston, tx...(ones you won't get the funny looks from others) posted by Wade on May 11, 1999 at 09:40:02:

I don't know where you get that, maybe if you are referring to
deer and other large game, that is correct, but .22 rimfire's are completely
legal for small game.
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new p1 under $300?

Msg. 110791  Posted by tom on May 11, 1999 at 20:38:13:

seems like i saw a post over the weekend telling of
a dealer that had new p1's priced at under $300, something
like $297 or so. i can't find the post now (maybe i
dreamed this, as pamela anderson was holding the p1 and ..
just kidding about this part).

anyone know of the source?

thanks!

tom
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Re: IZH61 Rifle - sold in Canada?

Msg. 110790  Posted by Whitewolf on May 11, 1999 at 20:30:34:

In Reply to: IZH61 Rifle - sold in Canada? posted by W. Edwards on May 11, 1999 at 12:13:31:

I can't say for sure but check with Mark at Guns n Things in Calgary he may carry them??


Whitewolf
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Re: Opinions on RWS Model 10 pistol....

Msg. 110789  Posted by tom on May 11, 1999 at 20:14:58:

In Reply to: Opinions on RWS Model 10 pistol.... posted by Tim A. on May 08, 1999 at 23:09:50:

i once got a great deal on one that was like new. even so, i sent it back.
the main reason was it just never felt at all comfortable in my hand. also, it
was very difficult to cock for a match pistol.

i honestly preferred my daisy 717.

if it fits your hand you may like it.
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Re: I ordered the R9

Msg. 110788  Posted by Jon B. on May 11, 1999 at 20:10:57:

In Reply to: I ordered the R9 posted by daveyg on May 11, 1999 at 18:15:33:

Davey:
Congratulations, good choice. It's tough buying an airgun, isn't it? Let us know how you like it.
Jon B.
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Re: Little Rock

Msg. 110787  Posted by trevor on May 11, 1999 at 20:07:35:

In Reply to: Re: Little Rock posted by The Airgun Letter on May 11, 1999 at 08:03:16:

Edith,I truely would love to be in Virginia in October(about our worst month) but look at the value of the NZ$,half a US one. Now I have been around a bit and I have observed that in the US a dollar is spent the way one is spent here(buys about the same) and in the UK they spend a pound the way we spend a dollar,so in England everything seems to cost 3 times as much as it does at home.Likewise in the US things are twice the price. You guys can have really cheap trips and holidays in NZ and OZ. Golly you have me feeling sorry for my self,I should be greatful for small mercies,the sun is shining and on the radio I hear some unhappy folk are tossing stones at the American Embassy in Auckland! Well,the riot squads will soon stop that!

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Re: " Why buy a cow when milk is so cheap? " (nt)

Msg. 110785  Posted by Rusty on May 11, 1999 at 20:06:59:

In Reply to: " Why buy a cow when milk is so cheap? " (nt) posted by Jerry Rhodes on May 10, 1999 at 21:53:45:

I know there are still a few die hard shooters who swage their own bullets. I believe the company most of them deal with is Corbin and they are somewhere in the Northwest like Wash. or Ore. Has anyone ever tried looking them up to see if they would make the needed dies to make pellets?
Rusty <
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Re: Mailing my Pro Elite?

Msg. 110784  Posted by McClure on May 11, 1999 at 19:58:56:

In Reply to: Mailing my Pro Elite? posted by jason on May 11, 1999 at 02:08:45:

Check with whomever you are going to send the gun to, sometimes you will only have to send the action. If so this sure cuts down on packing problems and the gun is not so easy to identify as a gun.
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Re: Go ahead - RUB IT IN!!! Careers Rule!!!!!!!

Msg. 110783  Posted by Anthony Storey on May 11, 1999 at 19:58:52:

In Reply to: Re: Go ahead - RUB IT IN!!! posted by A-TEAM-RAY on May 11, 1999 at 17:43:20:


Ray I am just wondering if with all the hits you get with your Career if maybe you are powering those targets down? Surely a Career can not be as accurate as you are claiming.I know when I started shooting mine 2 years ago everybody told me they were not accurate enough to compete with them.Hell I'm gullable I almost started believing them.Key word ALMOST.HA! I'll be back.
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Re: Factory service on PE's

Msg. 110782  Posted by RBest on May 11, 1999 at 19:54:29:

In Reply to: Re: Factory service on PE's posted by JIM on May 11, 1999 at 19:46:00:

JIM: I'm sure you are correct. That's why YOU DA MAN ! RB
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Re: Rephrased: How much ($$$$) for machine tooling to measure ...

Msg. 110781  Posted by Jerry Rhodes on May 11, 1999 at 19:53:31:

In Reply to: Re: Rephrased: How much ($$$$) for machine tooling to measure ... posted by Ron B on May 11, 1999 at 16:13:13:

Ron,

That is a field in itself, "Splatology". I modify pellets per caliber on a smooth cement floor. I do it to check if the pistol is functioning properly and within "specs". Don't even have to extend lower extremities or elevate gluts from the chair I am sitting in. Just hang over and shoot.

Jerry
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Re: I need help identifying a pistol

Msg. 110780  Posted by trevo on May 11, 1999 at 19:49:45:

In Reply to: I need help identifying a pistol posted by Asgeir Ingvarsson on May 11, 1999 at 12:10:46:

Could we please have a picture? I know of overlever and sidelever Records but not an underlever.
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Who's all going to the St. Louis show ? (nt)

Msg. 110779  Posted by C. Brown on May 11, 1999 at 19:48:51:

Great use of the Kings English, huh? nt
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Re: Factory service on PE's

Msg. 110778  Posted by JIM on May 11, 1999 at 19:46:00:

In Reply to: Factory service on PE's posted by RBest on May 11, 1999 at 18:22:33:


I'm sure Mr Slade will pay for return shipping and fix the gun for free. So will RADA, Wrong!
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RWS 34 trigger

Msg. 110777  Posted by CJ on May 11, 1999 at 19:44:15:

I posted a question about the 34's trigger and was told that Vortex had a trigger drop in for it.
I sent of for their flyer but it has no 34 triggers just 48 52 54 stuff.Does anyone have any tricks or know of anybody that does sell a trigger drop in.

Thanks

CJ
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Re: I need help identifying a pistol

Msg. 110776  Posted by Don R. on May 11, 1999 at 19:40:43:

In Reply to: I need help identifying a pistol posted by Asgeir Ingvarsson on May 11, 1999 at 12:10:46:

Fritz Barthelmes, several models of 'Record' pistols, all barrel-cockers except the small 'Jumbo' which is top-lever cocking. No underlevers shown in the Walter or Hiller books, but maybe yours is newer than the latest of the books.
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Who sells grip caps??

Msg. 110775  Posted by Wampas on May 11, 1999 at 19:34:05:

I am finishing my QB-22 stock, and would like to install a grip cap.
Thanks,
Wampas
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Re: No-mar Pliers

Msg. 110774  Posted by RBest on May 11, 1999 at 19:27:38:

In Reply to: No-mar Pliers posted by Chris Ewald on May 11, 1999 at 14:30:33:

Chris: I know exactly which pliers you are talking about. My buddy borrowed my Cannon Plug pliers years ago and never returned them. Rest assured, there are a couple other sources. Channellock sells them- don't know the product code # though, and Sears has plastic jaw covers for the Craftsman Robo-Grip pliers , which will also do the job. Regards, Russ
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Contact Paul Landrith. Check Airgun Resources page. Link inside (NT).

Msg. 110773  Posted by The Airgun Letter on May 11, 1999 at 19:25:11:

In Reply to: Re: Which gun? posted by ephraim on May 11, 1999 at 15:08:54:

Edith Gaylord
The Airgun Letter
staff@null.null
http://www.airgunletter.null
http://www.airgunletter.com

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Re: Remove stop on 5030M mounts?

Msg. 110772  Posted by Johnny O. on May 11, 1999 at 19:19:03:

In Reply to: Re: Remove stop on 5030M mounts? posted by Stuart on May 11, 1999 at 18:38:21:

Actually, I didn't have to remove mine, only tap it in a little so it would fit. It was sticking out too far and the mount wouldn't grab the rail. The point I was trying to make was, the pin can be moved if needed.

Sorry for the confusion......
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I've been there!

Msg. 110771  Posted by MikeZ on May 11, 1999 at 19:18:24:

In Reply to: Double-talk? posted by ToddN on May 11, 1999 at 04:57:58:

I don;'t understand it either. I was in Martin's shoes months ago where I too posted a question about the streak. The reason why I posted was that problem came suddenly and i was hoping to make use of the reply to help pinpont the problem. You guess it I got flamed.

Martin, if you are reading this, don't feel bad, you needn't be. I was there and I learned one thing - you can't make everyone happy, if some readers don't like what you have to say, oh well tough.

I bet Martin posted for the same reason more or less. Neither I nor Martin wanted to slander anyone, I can say with with 100% certainty. I still think that this Forum should be used for both cheers and jeers.

To me, Martin's posts merely says ONE thing - there is no such thing as perfection. I wished my streak was but it wasn't, and I am sure Tim at MAC-1 wished the same. Everthing there is a problem with a Streak both parties lose. Extra labor/shipping on the shop side, and time/shipping on the customers side.

It doesn't really change my mind if 100 people complain about a vendor, nor does it matter if 100 people praise him. What matter to me is he treats me fair and square.

Mac-1 prefered that I had contact him, but I posted it. Later I sent back the streak for repair and Mac-1 included some of his green sauce on return. Like things like that really says something about Tim's seriousness about keeping his customers. One thing I have to give Tim credit is that his willingness to help with info. He answers posts about what to lube and where to lube, kind of like exposing trade secrets. This is unorthodox from a sevice shop whose income depends on failed guns.

Back to reading my books...
MikeZ
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Re: new airgunner for hunting

Msg. 110770  Posted by Mark Lemm on May 11, 1999 at 19:09:00:

In Reply to: new airgunner for hunting posted by J. Casey Sheehan on May 11, 1999 at 17:01:35:

.22 is usually considered a better caliber for hunting than .25. For $250 you'll be hard pressed to finds something. The Webley Patriot goes for $350 I beleive. You could go for an R9 in .20 or a Supersport in .22. Good luck.

-Mark
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Sounds like a slice of airgun heaven to me!!!!!!!! NT

Msg. 110769  Posted by Jim C. on May 11, 1999 at 18:53:57:

In Reply to: Vermin eradication ( chipmunk harvesting ) posted by LOU V.K. on May 11, 1999 at 15:45:55:

nt

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Re: Remove stop on 5030M mounts?

Msg. 110768  Posted by Stuart on May 11, 1999 at 18:38:21:

In Reply to: Re: Remove stop on 5030M mounts? posted by Johnny O. on May 11, 1999 at 16:05:02:

Why did you remove the stop for your R9? I have the R9 with the same mounts and I did not remove the stop. I tapped the stop so it would function. Is there an advantage to removing the stop?
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Re: Avoid the poll. Biased Questions.of course,BUT:

Msg. 110767  Posted by RBest on May 11, 1999 at 18:32:54:

In Reply to: Re: Avoid the poll. Biased Questions.of course,BUT: posted by GH on May 11, 1999 at 01:27:35:

GH: I did vote in the poll, but it does annoy me to see the slant these polls have. Quite often they are worded in a way that leaves gun owners zero options. Regards, Russ
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Re: FWB 124 Sporter

Msg. 110766  Posted by RBest on May 11, 1999 at 18:29:19:

In Reply to: Re: FWB 124 Sporter posted by LOU V.K. on May 11, 1999 at 08:07:44:

Lou: I just heard from ld, and he said Tim had a Standard 124 in box ( LNIB I assume) go out for $400 !! Holy Moley ! Russ
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Factory service on PE's

Msg. 110765  Posted by RBest on May 11, 1999 at 18:22:33:

In Reply to: Re: Mailing my Pro Elite? posted by LOU V.K. on May 11, 1999 at 08:56:13:

Lou: I've said the same thing, only to have Dave correct me via e-mail. Russ
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Re: ft. lbs of .22 LR rimfire?

Msg. 110764  Posted by RBest on May 11, 1999 at 18:18:36:

In Reply to: ft. lbs of .22 LR rimfire? posted by Clint on May 11, 1999 at 09:03:25:

Clint: a few PCP airguns like the Career and Savers will easily do 60 to 70 ft/lbs, and some have been tweaked to over 80 ft/lbs ! The Airrow Stealth A8SRB will produce 98 ft/lbs ! ( (then you get into the big bore airguns, which can make 300 ft/lbs.). Regards, Russ
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I ordered the R9

Msg. 110763  Posted by daveyg on May 11, 1999 at 18:15:33:

Well no more guessing for now.I ordered the tuned
R9 from top gun springman J.M.He didn't have
anymore in .20 so I took the .177.
Thanx for all the help everybody.
Good shooting to all.
Daveyg
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Re: Recipes

Msg. 110762  Posted by Jeff Guinan on May 11, 1999 at 18:15:09:

In Reply to: Recipes posted by Eric Field on May 11, 1999 at 17:22:07:

For crows, go to the Crow Hunters page:
www.clark.null//pub/glkrause/crowhunt.htm. There's a recipe section. One calls for using breasts only - making cleaning them a snap. Incidentally, it's good to hear of a hunter making respectful use of his quarry.
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I ordered the R9

Msg. 110761  Posted by daveyg on May 11, 1999 at 18:14:18:

Well no more guessing for now.I ordered the tuned
R9 from top gun springman J.M.He didn't have
anymore in .20 so I took the .177.
Thanx for all the help everybody.
Good shooting to all.
Daveyg
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Re: Remove stop on 5030M mounts?

Msg. 110760  Posted by RBest on May 11, 1999 at 18:06:55:

In Reply to: Re: Remove stop on 5030M mounts? posted by Johnny O. on May 11, 1999 at 16:05:02:

Johnny's right. It's not a screw, but rather a pin. Russ
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Re: Info sought on BB Machine Gun at Little Rock Show........

Msg. 110759  Posted by Wade on May 11, 1999 at 18:03:53:

In Reply to: Info sought on BB Machine Gun at Little Rock Show........ posted by Kelly on May 10, 1999 at 22:41:20:

Kelly, I witnessed the Gatlin BB Gun at the show
and it was very low powered - about like a BB gun.
Of course it was a proto-type running on co2, but
they said they were working on a PCP version. They
had a lazer dot set-up on it for aiming,but it does
not have to be too accurate to spit out 1200 BB per
minute. The cycling was about like a Thompson .45
as far as the sound so I doubt it was actually doing
1200 bbpm. I said it before and I'll say it again,
It was the biggest waste of BB's I've ever seen!
Wade
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Re: In case you missed this one ...

Msg. 110758  Posted by ProfHoff on May 11, 1999 at 17:58:55:

In Reply to: Recipes posted by Eric Field on May 11, 1999 at 17:22:07:

Posquater Pancakes:

Don't laugh until you've tried this recipe. It's a real winner.

This formula (or a near derivative) may have appeared someplace else on this or another forum in which I occasionally participate. Nevertheless I offer this original squirrel recipe Mom used to prepare when I was a kid and Pop was a squirrel hunter. It is especially applicable for those animals which may be senior citizens and therefore likely to be tough to chew. And, too, I submit it as a less-offensive alternative to those with a delicate constitution poorly able to face a dismembered squirrel on their plate.

Nutritionally-speaking the recipe has much to recommend it. Wild game is usually very lean. If one is careful with the preparation and frying stage, the result is both delicious and relatively low in calories.

Phase 1

After cleaning and an over-night saltwater soak in the fridge, cut two or three squirrels into manageable pieces.

Pan roast (or pressure cook) the pieces with a clove of garlic, a bay leaf, and a little onion until the meat easily falls from the bones. DISCARD the bay leaf when cooking is finished.

Let the pieces cool until you can handle them without burning your fingers, then separate all the meat from the bones.

Place the meat in a blender with a few tablespoons of cooking oil and the garlic/onion solids from the pressure cooler, then puree the whole works into a paste. Season with pepper and salt to taste.

Phase 2

Use an old fashioned hand-operated food grinder (or food processor) to coarsely grind about eight peeled, uncooked medium potatoes into pieces about a quarter the size of an eraser on a Ticonderoga Yellow -- er, that's a grade-school pencil, y'know..

As above, coarsely grind a generous number of fresh parsley sprigs and about 4 medium onions.

Thoroughly mix all the ground vegetables and squirrel puree with the yolks of three eggs.

Whip the remaining egg whites to a firm peak stage and gently fold them into the mixture. Don't over-mix at this stage because we want the results to be somewhat fluffy. After experimentation, you may choose to use even more whipped egg white.

Use a large spoon to drop gobs of the mixture onto a griddle or frying pan that has been coated with a very thin layer of cooking oil. If the consistency is correct, the gob can be spread into a pancake about a quarter-to-half inch thick. Don't make them too thick because we want them to end up a little crispy.

Fry until the edges begin to turn brown. Replenish the oil as needed until all the material has been fried.

Prepare to defend your culinary efforts from the hungry naysayers who will be drawn to the heavenly aroma of your creation.

Gee, how I miss my Mom and Pop.

Regards,

ProfHoff
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Re: Vermin eradication ( chipmunk harvesting )

Msg. 110757  Posted by LOU V.K. on May 11, 1999 at 17:43:52:

In Reply to: Re: Vermin eradication ( chipmunk harvesting ) posted by Leigh Wilcox on May 11, 1999 at 17:31:52:


That is definately a different creature than a 'gunny'. ;-)
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Re: Go ahead - RUB IT IN!!!

Msg. 110756  Posted by A-TEAM-RAY on May 11, 1999 at 17:43:20:

In Reply to: Go ahead - RUB IT IN!!! posted by JCBrown on May 11, 1999 at 12:31:31:

I was wondering if you were going to respond. Hope I didn't ruffle any feathers. As far as the Nationals are concerned I will be going up against the best. And as I know you are going that includes you and the few DIFTA guys that will go. I have been giving you guys the advantage for a while but at the Nat's I will need every bit of help I can get. The Career is my backup gun for the National's which was one reason for getting more familiar with it. The other was to prove that the gun is viable as a Field Target gun. I hope I've done that. The Career is just a little more work to shoot for Field Target. Not a lot but still a little more than the other guns. My P70 will be the primary gun for me at the Nationals and the State Championships that I will be able to attend. I love that old broken in glove like feel I get whenever I hold it in my arms. I have it adjusted to fit my body perfectly. It just fits. It's a natural feeling. And as good as the near match grade Career trigger is now it will never be a Fienwerkbau Trigger. I only have to get on target and the gun knows what to do. I never think about pulling the trigger the gun just knows.

Anyway I guaranty that at the next DIFTA match I will not win unless know one else shows up. I am not going to reveal why now but I won't be shooting the high score of the match that's for sure. I'm giving you guys an even bigger advantage but I can't reveal it till Hans gets back from vacation. Bet I've got you wondering now, ha JC.

Now JC did I peak enough curiosity so that you guys that shoot at DIFTA will try the DCFS match in Brookhaven? I hope so because I know you guys can do well there. That match is one where any equipment at all can shoot the match high. It is entirely dependent on the shooter's ability. A precharge is not always an advantage there because they are usually heavier. I have shot match high with my TX200 and have been beaten by spring guns while shooting the Career and the P70. Watch out for those guys, they are good. A lot of them shoot silhouette so they are used to shooting offhand. Many of them only shoot offhand. Now don't let me scare you this is a great match and I have won it many times but not every time. Trust me. Go, you won't be disappointed. Earn one of those nice Trophys and don't forget about the door prizes. They often have more than one door prize also. If you have any neighbor's kids, nieces or nephews that you can bring then have them come with you for the junior classes. They can win the door prize also. Rachel has a number of times. Kids have the darndist luck. I know they will be giving away a few chronographs, Subscriptions to US airgun and The Airgunletter, scope rings, targets, and a bunch of other stuff. It's different at each match. Some times one prize sometimes 4 or more. We need to promote the sport and bring the kids in. If not then just go yourselves.

Keep the thread alive ����. Remember ���.. CAREER's RULE

Ray from ~ The �A� Team
(914-896-9792)
A-TEAM-RAY == > ateamray@null.null

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Re: Vermin eradication ( chipmunk harvesting )

Msg. 110755  Posted by Leigh Wilcox on May 11, 1999 at 17:31:52:

In Reply to: Vermin eradication ( chipmunk harvesting ) posted by LOU V.K. on May 11, 1999 at 15:45:55:

This sounds like and old Marine story. Make sure and keep a body count.
Back here in Iowa we call them Grinnys.

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Recipes

Msg. 110754  Posted by Eric Field on May 11, 1999 at 17:22:07:

Does anyone have any good recipes for crow and squirrel? I have an abundance of them that are about to receive the power and might of my RX-1. Didn't want them to go to waste.

BTW - Has anyone ever had Hassenpfeffer? I have an AWESOME recipe for it and it is the best rabbit recipe ever.

Eric

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Re: Vermin eradication ( chipmunk harvesting )

Msg. 110753  Posted by LOU V.K. on May 11, 1999 at 17:20:44:

In Reply to: Re: Vermin eradication ( chipmunk harvesting ) posted by Chris Ewald on May 11, 1999 at 16:25:08:


A local excavating contractor friend has offered to seal up their burrows with that product.Thanks anyway.
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Re: Is AA Pro-Sport a springer? I don't see a cocking lever.

Msg. 110752  Posted by H. Todd on May 11, 1999 at 17:13:47:

In Reply to: Re: Is AA Pro-Sport a springer? I don't see a cocking lever. posted by Phil Herman on May 11, 1999 at 15:12:46:

Basically it is the same gun. Some like one, some the other. I prefer the lines and feel of the PS, I prefer cocking the TX.

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Use a HARD CASE!!!!!

Msg. 110751  Posted by H. Todd on May 11, 1999 at 17:08:44:

In Reply to: Re: Mailing my Pro Elite? posted by LOU V.K. on May 11, 1999 at 08:56:13:

Do not ship the rifle in an AA box. Use a hard case and only a hard case. I have had too many problems with the boxes.

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You mind if I quote you on that?

Msg. 110750  Posted by JC Brown on May 11, 1999 at 17:01:48:

In Reply to: Re: Go ahead - RUB IT IN!!! posted by The Airgun Letter on May 11, 1999 at 13:02:49:

Good point - never thought of it that way! Don't think she'll buy it though - the ole "they're your twins too..." routine.

They're spending money before they know what money is: diapers, diapers, food, diapers, car seats, clothes, diapers.

they just better be good shots! (when they're old enuf to hold a gun that is...)

JC
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new airgunner for hunting

Msg. 110749  Posted by J. Casey Sheehan on May 11, 1999 at 17:01:35:

I am new to the sport/hobby of airgunning, and I am looking for a brand/make/model in a .25 cal that isn't going to set me back 1,000 dollars. Any recommendations/opinions? I saw a Webley and Scott air rifle (called a Patriot), but it wasn't priced... Something around $250. Thanks
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Re: Common hunting places in houston, tx...(ones you won't get the funny looks from others)

Msg. 110748  Posted by leh on May 11, 1999 at 16:57:25:

In Reply to: Re: Common hunting places in houston, tx...(ones you won't get the funny looks from others) posted by Wade on May 11, 1999 at 09:40:02:

The Addicks reservoir area was (and probably still is) a great place to shoot airguns. It was toally legal (only firearms were prohibited) but current paranoia would make me leary of doing it again. We used to bring crows in by the droves with a game caller, but were very careful to only shoot those crows which we knew to be defacing nearby farmer's crops, thereby making it legal. By the way, it is legal to shoot non game animals and certain non game birds with an airgun in Texas.
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Try Plasti-dip.

Msg. 110747  Posted by TM on May 11, 1999 at 16:35:49:

In Reply to: No-mar Pliers posted by Chris Ewald on May 11, 1999 at 14:30:33:

I know they're out there but I usually make my own with a pair of pliers and a can of plasti-dip.
This is the liquid plastic that can be bought at most hardware stores and is usually used to coat the handles of tools.
Good Luck.
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Re: Vermin eradication ( chipmunk harvesting )

Msg. 110746  Posted by Chris Ewald on May 11, 1999 at 16:25:08:

In Reply to: Vermin eradication ( chipmunk harvesting ) posted by LOU V.K. on May 11, 1999 at 15:45:55:

Lou, you might try a product called Bentonite to seal their burrows after they have been "evicted." It is used in the well drilling industry and should prevent or reduce your artesian conditions. E-mail me for details if you are interested.

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Re: Rephrased: How much ($$$$) for machine tooling to measure ...

Msg. 110745  Posted by Ron B on May 11, 1999 at 16:13:13:

In Reply to: Rephrased: How much ($$$$) for machine tooling to measure ... posted by vZc on May 11, 1999 at 13:29:12:

Vern,

I have had impressive results by shooting pellets into a steel plate. This modifys pellets quite well.

If you are in a hurry, a hammer on any hard surface will work. The same 'tooling' seems to work on all calibers I have tried.

Sincerely
Ron
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Re: Remove stop on 5030M mounts?

Msg. 110744  Posted by Johnny O. on May 11, 1999 at 16:05:02:

In Reply to: Remove stop on 5030M mounts? posted by Ross on May 11, 1999 at 16:02:08:

Ross, Just had to do the same this morning for my R9. You can take a flat punch and tap stop up into the mount.
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Remove stop on 5030M mounts?

Msg. 110743  Posted by Ross on May 11, 1999 at 16:02:08:

I just got a set of Beeman 5030M mounts for my P1. It says that the screw/stop can be removed. How do you remove it? With an allen wrench? Thanks.
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Re: What pellets do you prefer for the .22 Crow Magnum? .25 Kodiak? .20 RX-1?

Msg. 110742  Posted by LOU V.K. on May 11, 1999 at 16:00:52:

In Reply to: What pellets do you prefer for the .22 Crow Magnum? .25 Kodiak? .20 RX-1? posted by Brian on May 10, 1999 at 20:05:45:


My shooting buddy,Randy,has each version of the C/M.His l,and ll shoot Premiers quite well,but,his C/M lll is by far the most accurate,and,loves the Marksman FTS. It also expands in game much more than the C/P's.
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Re: Little Rock

Msg. 110741  Posted by Doug Law on May 11, 1999 at 15:59:53:

In Reply to: Little Rock posted by trevor on May 11, 1999 at 06:27:57:

Hi Trevor-Yeah, you're right, the Little Rock show is great!!I went there last year about 70 tables and you could shoot any airgun there right on site!!!That was a ball. There are larger shows, but LR is hard to beat!!!BTW I will be at the St. Louis show June 4 (Sat. anyway) so should be fun. Plus i get to meet aup with an old email airgun buddy I've never met face-to-face. Hope I dont scare him, grin, grin. Wish it was a two day show but Ill settle for it-Darn sure wish someone would have a show out west somewhere!!!!


Doug Law

The Nevada Air Gun Addict
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Re: I need help identifying a pistol

Msg. 110740  Posted by Doug Law on May 11, 1999 at 15:53:19:

In Reply to: I need help identifying a pistol posted by Asgeir Ingvarsson on May 11, 1999 at 12:10:46:

Sounds like the old Record Jumbo handgun, very small and compact spring gun, seven inches long, sold for $100 about 5 years ago and shot at 325 fps. Interesting but not a target piece.


Doug Law
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Re: crosman 2240

Msg. 110739  Posted by Dad on May 11, 1999 at 15:50:14:

In Reply to: crosman 2240 posted by chris w on May 10, 1999 at 18:52:36:

Not bad, you got a reply, location, price, and some info without even trying. Poor punctuation and capitalization don't matter here, these folks are nearly as wound-up on airguns as you and I.

See you when I get home,

Dad

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Re: info. on shooting offhand

Msg. 110738  Posted by jj on May 11, 1999 at 15:49:56:

In Reply to: Re: info. on shooting offhand posted by Wade on May 11, 1999 at 15:15:02:

Guess I didn't think too many people could get into that position, not comfortably anyway. Easy for a thin person with long arms and legs. Don't think i need the figure eight thing though.

Thanks,
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Vermin eradication ( chipmunk harvesting )

Msg. 110737  Posted by LOU V.K. on May 11, 1999 at 15:45:55:

51 feet behind our house is a retaining wall to keep erosion of the almost vertical hillside behind that,under control. For some reason,there has been a BUMPER CROP of chipmunks move into this hillside,and, they have dug burrows throughout the hill,and,under the footing for the cement block retaining wall. With only a small amount of rain,I am having gopher made artesian wells in my back lawn. Rather than poisen them,as that would in turn,kill off the scavenging racoons and other carrion eaters,as well as stink like heck, I elected to use one of my air rifles. My favorite Falcon hunting rifle with a Hakko 3-9X40 scope,a small Tupperware container of lubed .22 cal. C/P's,and,a never empty cup of coffee,at the kitchen table,provided me with easy shots at an exact 20 yards,with the back of my chair against the edge of the kitchen table. My harvest,thus far,for today stands at 37.Now I will have to dig a hole to bury them,otherwise they will stink up the whole neighborhood.
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Re: Who is selling the Tanker Carbine? (NT)

Msg. 110736  Posted by burbago on May 11, 1999 at 15:25:41:

In Reply to: Who is selling the Tanker Carbine? (NT) posted by andye on May 10, 1999 at 21:47:54:


NOBODY.

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Re: info. on shooting offhand

Msg. 110735  Posted by Wade on May 11, 1999 at 15:15:02:

In Reply to: Re: info. on shooting offhand posted by jj on May 11, 1999 at 14:53:17:

That is a very common position for FT shooters.
If that is the way you end up shooting, try
making a figure 8 loop that fits over your right
wrist and hold the other half of the loop with
your first and second finger of the left hand.
The loop should be long enough to be comfortable,
about to the length of your right hand finger
tips. Some people sew the loop to the cuff of a
jacket or heavy shirt. The loop is usually made
of suede leather or something like that. Wade
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Re: Rat Busting With MR Bulk�

Msg. 110734  Posted by Cisco on May 11, 1999 at 15:14:48:

In Reply to: Re: Rat Busting With MR Bulk� posted by IDB on May 10, 1999 at 12:54:33:

The way that i get them is when i feed my dogs (15 of them) i'll put a little dog food on the ground in an area that i can take a good shot and i'll wait for one to show there face and i shoot.
I want to get a head shot if at all possible. Like everyone keeps saying shot placement is critical. All my shots are with a Ben 397(williams peep sight) and an Rws 48 25 cal. I can't tell the difference between the two when i may head shots they all die very quickly no squealing or flip floping.
I can usually get one or two in a row but after that i have to take a rest (30 min or so) and start working making noise ect. Then i'll watch for another couple to shoot. After a couple of days you might have to take a rest because they'll be a litte spooked or maybe new ones have to find the new feeding spot.

Hope this helps.
Cisco
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Re: Is AA Pro-Sport a springer? I don't see a cocking lever.

Msg. 110733  Posted by Phil Herman on May 11, 1999 at 15:12:46:

In Reply to: Is AA Pro-Sport a springer? I don't see a cocking lever. posted by JW on May 11, 1999 at 15:03:27:

JW,
The Air Arms Pro Sport is an underlever cocker with the lever hidden in the forend of the stock also like the BSA Stutzen.
Phil Herman
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Re: Which gun?

Msg. 110732  Posted by ephraim on May 11, 1999 at 15:08:54:

In Reply to: Which gun? posted by The Airgun Letter on May 11, 1999 at 12:10:43:

For the smith and wesson 77A
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Is AA Pro-Sport a springer? I don't see a cocking lever.

Msg. 110731  Posted by JW on May 11, 1999 at 15:03:27:

I've only seen pictures of the Pro-Sport. How is it cocked? Is it a step above or below a TX200?
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Re: info. on shooting offhand

Msg. 110730  Posted by jj on May 11, 1999 at 14:53:17:

In Reply to: Re: info. on shooting offhand posted by Wade on May 11, 1999 at 14:35:39:

Wade,

You won't believe this, but that is exactly what I do with my right arm and knee. And here I thought I had a unique hold that acted like straps without the straps. I have had no problem getting into this position. However, one difference is, I rest the forearm of the gun on my knee and left elbow. My left hand is holding my right wrist.

I may try your method with the left hand though.


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Re: info. on shooting offhand

Msg. 110728  Posted by Wade on May 11, 1999 at 14:35:39:

In Reply to: Re: info. on shooting offhand posted by jj on May 11, 1999 at 12:52:19:

In the sitting position I rest the forend on my
knee, with my left thumb and forefinger grasping
the stock and my other three fingers and palm
holding my knee with my forearm down along the
thigh. My right arm is wrapped around the top of
my right knee (the right knee is tucked pretty
close to my body) and the butt is pinched between
my shoulder and thigh. If you can squeeze up into
that position it will be as good as a bench rest.
Your body will need to be about 35 deg to the
target and your feet not too far apart. You may
feel a little "reclined" at first in this position
but it will pass. Wade
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No-mar Pliers

Msg. 110727  Posted by Chris Ewald on May 11, 1999 at 14:30:33:

Me again. Is it easy to tell when it's slow at work. I post more often then. I'm looking for a specific type of pliers. In the Army we called them "cannon plug" pliers. They were like slip-joint or channel-lock pliers only they had permanent plastic inserts in the jaws. These were so they wouldn't scratch, gouge or crush the twist off elictrical connectors (cannon plugs) in Aircraft. I need (want) two pair so that I can snug down the lock ring on the muzzle brake on my Win M70 without changing the setting. Rest assured that these could also be used to perform the same task on any airgun. There, now it's airgun related. Also, thanks for the help on finding the "Watts" muzzle brakes for my BSA.
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Re: Double-talk?

Msg. 110726  Posted by RickK on May 11, 1999 at 14:21:32:

In Reply to: Double-talk? posted by ToddN on May 11, 1999 at 04:57:58:

Todd
I had to reread the post you mentioned, but when I did, the feeling I got at the end was they were dissapointed Tim was not giving service to them. Wording is always very important, especialy when questions can be taken as complaints.
A simple qualifier of "Am I doing something wrong" or "Can someone help before I bother Tim with the question" will usualy bring out the corrective actions or "Gotta talk to Tim about that one" reply. Wording makes all the difference.
RickK
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Rephrased: How much ($$$$) for machine tooling to measure ...

Msg. 110725  Posted by vZc on May 11, 1999 at 13:29:12:

In Reply to: Re: How much to modify existing manufactured pellets........ posted by Ron B on May 11, 1999 at 08:42:12:

... and modify existing manufactured pellets per cailber ?

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Re: Go ahead - RUB IT IN!!!

Msg. 110724  Posted by The Airgun Letter on May 11, 1999 at 13:02:49:

In Reply to: Go ahead - RUB IT IN!!! posted by JCBrown on May 11, 1999 at 12:31:31:

You wrote:
I hope you're now happy - I want one! But since I promised my wife that the PT would be my
last airgun purchase for "a while" it won't be anytime soon. (but as a safe guard, I didn't define
the "while" part...)
===========================
I think you've been somewhat shortchanged in this deal. Your wife just had twins and you got to buy only ONE gun. Doesn't seem you've gotten a fair shake. She brings home two while you only get to bring home one.

Edith Gaylord
The Airgun Letter
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Re: info. on shooting offhand

Msg. 110723  Posted by jj on May 11, 1999 at 12:52:19:

In Reply to: Re: info. on shooting offhand posted by Wade on May 11, 1999 at 09:22:24:

Thanks to you guys, I have a feeling I am going to become a great off-hand shooter.

A Natural, after all I have most of the natural points; "bones", "lanky", "brain dead" ;-)

Wade, just curious, what sitting position do you use. The "artillery" or the "left hand on the forearm" or other??? I didn't get a chance to see you shoot at the Florida State match this past november. I do know you did well though. I was the guy with the funny looking 707 carbine.

I was hoping to get in the top ten in the FT nationals coming in nov., But after reading some of you guys posts; off-hand bottle caps at forty yards, without scope; flies at 50 yards, leaving the legs; pack of cigarete at 100 yards offhand.
I would be lucky to make it in the bottom five.

Guess I had better practice more!!!


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Go ahead - RUB IT IN!!!

Msg. 110722  Posted by JCBrown on May 11, 1999 at 12:31:31:

In Reply to: DIFTA Match ~ up coming Westfield ~ Brookhaven Matches ~ Career's + FT from The " A " Team posted by A-TEAM-RAY on May 10, 1999 at 16:42:53:

I was wondering how long it would take you to start RUBBING it in!! ;-)

Yeah, the Career won - the shooter didn't have anything to do with it... Yeah right!! I guess that little dial on the bottom isn't really a power adjustment wheel - on your's it's a "how many shots will I miss dial" that you preset before the match just to keep it competitive with the rest of us "single shot'rs"??? I see now...

I'll give ya one thing - both your rifle & carbine did have sweet, repeatable triggers. And it was a pile of fun shooting at the spinners!!! Rifle was a little top heavy & barrel heavy for my liking but that little carbine sure fit me nice.

I hope you're now happy - I want one! But since I promised my wife that the PT would be my last airgun purchase for "a while" it won't be anytime soon. (but as a safe guard, I didn't define the "while" part...)

Good shooting Ray! (just wait till July!!!)

Oh yeah - (have to throw this in, just to keep the thread going) - if the Career is so great, why will you be switching to the P70 for Nationals?????

JC

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Re: info. on shooting offhand

Msg. 110721  Posted by JimK on May 11, 1999 at 12:30:39:

In Reply to: Re: info. on shooting offhand posted by Wade on May 11, 1999 at 09:54:06:

A couple things that i don't think have yet been mentioned. I've had good luck offhand for quite awhile. Here's a few things I've learned that may work for some.

Contacting your elbow on your hip is sometimes easier by jutting your hip out in front. If you can do it somehow you will be steadier.

Some people find that your body "locks up" better if you twist a little as part of your normal stance. I'll try to explain. point naturally at 40-45 degrees from aiming point. As your bringing the gun down to your hand twist over to the target and find a comfortable position. I've tried this on days that I'm not holding as steady as I want and it seems to help. Don't consciously use it all the time tho. All I can say is try it. Contradicts the natural point of aim idea huh?

To shoot offhand very well, I'm convicnced you need a light trigger. I use as light a trigger as I can get with most guns (2-3 oz). Light triggers allow you to almost "will" the shot off. Your mind sees the shot and off it goes. Jerking a 3lb trigger is not fun offhand.

Practice is very important (da?!) You have to be confident that you WILL hit what you are aiming at. If that's a seven then so be it, work your confidence up to higher scores. Once you are comfortable with the gun/trigger and build a little confidence you'll be amazed at how often you do what you want to.

Good offhand shooting has a lot to do with eye/hand coordination also. The light trigger, acquired confidence that you will hit what you're aiming at, and practice will get better scores.

Good shooting to all
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Thanks Wade

Msg. 110720  Posted by E Fudd on May 11, 1999 at 12:28:56:

In Reply to: Re: info. on shooting offhand posted by Wade on May 11, 1999 at 09:22:24:

That clarifies things a bit. I generally practice shooting with an eye towards hunting, and since I use a springer and want to be able to make quick shots, I ussually grip the forestock at its midpoint and leave my left arm unsupported. Your information was useful though, once I understood it. Except for the dryfiring and the breathing, this is exactly the method I have practised when trying to make slow deliberate offhand shots. I have always just taken a deep breath and let it out slowly while making the shot. I will try your method. I don't think my Kodiak will hold up to the dry firing though. I had read in the past that the right elbow should be tucked into the chest as well, and found that this only made shooting more awkward and uncomfortable.
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Re: Falcon breach seal

Msg. 110719  Posted by The Airgun Letter on May 11, 1999 at 12:17:55:

In Reply to: Falcon breach seal posted by Allen on May 11, 1999 at 11:17:46:

Besides the Airguns-R-Us referral given in another posting in this thread, you could contact Dave Slade at Airgunwerks. The link below will take you to our Airgun Resources Web page, where you'll find Airgunwerks' contact info.

Edith Gaylord
The Airgun Letter
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IZH61 Rifle - sold in Canada?

Msg. 110718  Posted by W. Edwards on May 11, 1999 at 12:13:31:

An earlier posting suggest that this is a reasonably
good under 500fps air gun.

Does anyone know if there are any Canadian retailers
handling this line of airgun?
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I need help identifying a pistol

Msg. 110717  Posted by Asgeir Ingvarsson on May 11, 1999 at 12:10:46:

Hi, Could somebody help me identify this pistol.

I think the pistol is from a company called "FB Records". It is Cal. 4,5 and has an underleaver cocking mechanism and a plastic handle. It was made in West-Germany. I think it is around 10 years old.
Please reply to me via e-mail.
If you think it helps I can send pictures.
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Which gun?

Msg. 110716  Posted by The Airgun Letter on May 11, 1999 at 12:10:43:

In Reply to: who does the best job? posted by Ephraim on May 11, 1999 at 12:01:22:

Which gun are you referring to?

Edith Gaylord
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http://www.airgunletter.com

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Agreed.

Msg. 110715  Posted by E Fudd on May 11, 1999 at 12:08:05:

In Reply to: Re: How much to modify existing manufactured pellets........ posted by Ron B on May 11, 1999 at 08:42:12:

That last post was more like a list than a question.
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Re: info. on shooting offhand

Msg. 110714  Posted by LOU V.K. on May 11, 1999 at 12:02:28:

In Reply to: Re: info. on shooting offhand posted by Wade on May 11, 1999 at 10:59:41:

Gotcha! You thought that I would have a laughable response in a similar vein.

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who does the best job?

Msg. 110713  Posted by Ephraim on May 11, 1999 at 12:01:22:

I have a valve stem that needs a new seal--who
is the best person to rebuilt the valve.
What is the best material to put on these valve? teflon
urethane?

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Re: Question for Wade S. P.S.

Msg. 110712  Posted by LOU V.K. on May 11, 1999 at 11:53:45:

In Reply to: Re: Question for Wade S. P.S. posted by Wade on May 11, 1999 at 11:38:45:


I think that your answer will be the catalyst that will bring a good many of the top F.T. shooters out of the woodwork,to this series of matches.
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Re: Scope mounts

Msg. 110711  Posted by Chip Gibbs on May 11, 1999 at 11:49:55:

In Reply to: Scope mounts posted by Paul on May 11, 1999 at 09:57:50:

Paul
I just got a new TX200 mk5 and Bushnell Banner
6-18 x 50 and could not find a rings locally but,
had a FT match on last saturday. I ended up buying
some Weaver see thru mounts for a 22. I cleaned
the Scope rail and mounts and installed the scope
using LocTite. This has worked for about 300
shots.And now the scope is walking, it has moved
about 3/32", enough to cause error.
I'll waight for the mounts I ordered before I
shoot it any more.

Chip
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Re: Improvements to Calif DFG hunting regs for airguns

Msg. 110710  Posted by BobF on May 11, 1999 at 11:45:11:

In Reply to: Improvements to Calif DFG hunting regs for airguns posted by Conrad (SJ CA) on May 10, 1999 at 14:29:00:

Calif. can't change the regulations on Duck / Geese. They're migratory birds and come under the control of Fed. Widlife regs. Also, all waterfowl hunting in US requires hunters to use steel shot - NO LEAD.
Calif. could change the regs on turkeys if they desired.

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why don't you Take a Nap ...

Msg. 110709  Posted by Wade on May 11, 1999 at 11:44:00:

In Reply to: Re: Question for Wade S. P.S. posted by Tired on May 11, 1999 at 10:27:52:

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
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Re: Question for Wade S. P.S.

Msg. 110708  Posted by Wade on May 11, 1999 at 11:38:45:

In Reply to: Re: Question for Wade S. P.S. posted by LOU V.K. on May 11, 1999 at 10:20:31:

I'll be at CP. Anthony's shoot is on the same
day as the Atlanta shoot - so I'll be in Atlanta
fighting it out with Robert and the AA Atlanta
boys, which now includes a fella by the name of
David Still. The other leg, in Michigan, will be
very hard to make, but I'm trying to see if I can
squeeze it in. BTW, since you guys have so many
offhand shots in a match, I'll probably not shoot
the 16lb. "ZM", but will likely be shooting the
FN 19 or the RN 10 Ti. Wade
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Re: Ace Hunter

Msg. 110707  Posted by The Airgun Letter on May 11, 1999 at 11:26:04:

In Reply to: Ace Hunter posted by Tyler Hathaway on May 11, 1999 at 00:34:31:

One article about the Sharp Ace Hunter can be found in our publication, "Airgun Revue #1." You can purchase it from us for $12.00 (includes first class mail postage), or from others who sell our publications (Airgun Express, FSI and Golden Toller come to mind immediately). If you buy other stuff from these airgun dealers, you will probably get the Revue for less money than from us because they've combined shipping costs. Incidentally, Tom (my husband and principal writer of our publications) wrote that the Sharp Ace Hunter is the champion for accuracy and power over the standard Sheridan Blue Streak!

The link below will take you to our page regarding Revue #1 and how to order it.

Edith Gaylord
The Airgun Letter
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http://www.airgunletter.null
http://www.airgunletter.com

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Re: Falcon breach seal

Msg. 110706  Posted by Wade on May 11, 1999 at 11:25:24:

In Reply to: Falcon breach seal posted by Allen on May 11, 1999 at 11:17:46:

Air Guns R-Us 931-381-4428 ask for Darrell.
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Falcon breach seal

Msg. 110705  Posted by Allen on May 11, 1999 at 11:17:46:

Does anyone know where I can get one of these quickly? Who handles parts for Falcon? Thanks!
(please post, email server is down)
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Re: info. on shooting offhand

Msg. 110704  Posted by Wade on May 11, 1999 at 10:59:41:

In Reply to: Re: info. on shooting offhand posted by LOU V.K. on May 11, 1999 at 10:08:22:

There are 3 other kinds of people: those who make
things happen, those who watch things happen and
those who wonder WHAT happened???
Hey - did you hear about the 80 yr old virgin?
She developed an itch "down there", so she went
to the DR. After a quick examination, he gave her
the diagnosis. He determined that her cherry was
so old, she had developed a case of fruit flies...
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Re: info. on shooting offhand

Msg. 110703  Posted by wved on May 11, 1999 at 10:59:41:

In Reply to: Re: info. on shooting offhand posted by Wade on May 11, 1999 at 09:54:06:

Hi Wade! I'm really enjoying this thread. I'm still strugglin' to get above 50% in the Delphi POS rifle shoots and the tips given are being tried! Even though I feel that "I'll NEVER shoot well off-hand" (too little talent & too old to get it), I enjoy trying to implement your hints.
Thanks a bunch, :-) wved
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Re: ft. lbs of .22 LR rimfire?

Msg. 110702  Posted by Greggg on May 11, 1999 at 10:52:45:

In Reply to: ft. lbs of .22 LR rimfire? posted by Clint on May 11, 1999 at 09:03:25:

A few examples:

CCI Stinger used to be the hottest 22 LR, 32 gr hp, 1640 fps, energy = 191 me

The new speed champ is the Aguila 30 gr 1750 fps, energy = 204 me

The big rimfire is 22 WMR. WW 22 Mag standard 40 gr HP 1910 fps, energy = 324 me

There is even a 22 Mag hyper velocity, CCI 22 Mag +V 30 gr 2200 fps, energy = 322 me

Of course this all pales compared to a true varmint rifle like my Sako 22 PPC. Repeatable 1/4 MOA, 52 gr HP at 3400 fps, energy = 1335 me. It's no 22 Swift but the incredible accuracy makes it more useful to me.
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Re: Scope mounts

Msg. 110701  Posted by wved on May 11, 1999 at 10:46:59:

In Reply to: Scope mounts posted by Paul on May 11, 1999 at 09:57:50:

Hi Paul! I used the "rings" that came with a 4x Sportview (not a heavy scope) for a temporary mount on a stock R10, and the scope "walked" with each shot. I understand that the TX shoots smoother, but it seems that a stop would be needed anyway. wved
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RWS Model 36 Exploded View Diagram

Msg. 110700  Posted by Sam Rose on May 11, 1999 at 10:38:40:

Hi All
I just got my GSI Power Kit from JM and am realizing that it's been 10 years since I replaced the spring in this gun. I had an exploded view diagram from RWS back then and it'd be helpful now, but I can't find it. I couldn't find it on the .null" either. If anyone has a copy they'd be willing to scan in and email to roses@null.null or fax to 7177627444, I'd sure appreciate it. The phone and fax number is the same so just hit send when the machine picks up. Thanks
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Re: Question for Wade S. P.S.

Msg. 110699  Posted by Tired on May 11, 1999 at 10:27:52:

In Reply to: Re: Question for Wade S. P.S. posted by LOU V.K. on May 11, 1999 at 10:20:31:

This stuff should be e-mailed.
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Re: Question for Wade S. P.S.

Msg. 110698  Posted by LOU V.K. on May 11, 1999 at 10:20:31:

In Reply to: Question for Wade S. posted by LOU V.K. on May 11, 1999 at 09:57:35:


I have it on good authority,( the horses mouth ),that you will not have to be concerned about Dave S..Does that make it more,or,less appealing for you to come to all of the legs of the series?
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Re: ft. lbs of .22 LR rimfire?

Msg. 110697  Posted by Bill on May 11, 1999 at 10:18:11:

In Reply to: ft. lbs of .22 LR rimfire? posted by Clint on May 11, 1999 at 09:03:25:

Check the Winchester ammo site for ballistic information (velocity & energy) of the .22 and most other calibers. www.winchester.com/products/index.html

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Re: Thanks .....Lampasas

Msg. 110696  Posted by Ron B on May 11, 1999 at 10:17:44:

In Reply to: Thanks for the correction! posted by The Airgun Letter on May 11, 1999 at 09:23:36:

Looks like I got it wrong too.....

I'll blame it on the Keybaord.

Ron
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Re: What is most popular Scope for $150-$200 range? (NT)

Msg. 110695  Posted by DonC on May 11, 1999 at 10:14:41:

In Reply to: What is most popular Scope for $150-$200 range? (NT) posted by andye on May 10, 1999 at 21:46:24:

Natchez has sales on refurbished Simmons 6.5 X 20 Mag 44's that are less than $200.00 I have several and they are very nice for airgunning. Get turret knobs if you can. The Whitetail 6.5 X 20 is basically the same scope without the knobs. Brad Troyer's classifieds also is a good place to look for scope bargains.
Don
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Re: Scope mounts

Msg. 110694  Posted by LOU V.K. on May 11, 1999 at 10:11:14:

In Reply to: Scope mounts posted by Paul on May 11, 1999 at 09:57:50:

The fit will be just fine,BUT,they will probably scar up your new rifle,by sliding under recoil,unless you add a scope stop behind the rear ring,tightly.
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Re: Mirror finshed, Oh darn it, I want one! Ha Ha N/T

Msg. 110693  Posted by Jim Baumann on May 11, 1999 at 10:09:03:

In Reply to: Windage in different barrels the Anshutz bi-metalic posted by Jim P on May 10, 1999 at 20:00:19:



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Re: info. on shooting offhand

Msg. 110692  Posted by LOU V.K. on May 11, 1999 at 10:08:22:

In Reply to: Re: info. on shooting offhand posted by Wade on May 11, 1999 at 09:54:06:


Those who can,do. Those who no longer can,teach. Getting old is not for sissies,or cowards,nor,for those who wish to still win on a regular basis.
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As far as I know, there are no Tanker Carbines avail. for sale at this time.

Msg. 110691  Posted by The Airgun Letter on May 11, 1999 at 09:59:46:

In Reply to: Try ARS - Air Rifle Specialists posted by AL on May 11, 1999 at 09:54:08:

Dave at Air Rifle Specialists will be getting his Tanker Carbines from RWS. To the best of my knowledge, neither Dave nor anyone else has any Tanker Carbines to sell.

Edith Gaylord
The Airgun Letter
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Scope mounts

Msg. 110690  Posted by Paul on May 11, 1999 at 09:57:50:

This is probably a stupid question,but, does anyone know if std. 0.22 rimfire scope mounts, 1" tube, fit on a TX200? This would just be a temporary thing until my Beeman mounts arrive.
Thanks.
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Question for Wade S.

Msg. 110689  Posted by LOU V.K. on May 11, 1999 at 09:57:35:

Hey old buddy,for the benefit of all of the F.T. shooters who are planning to attend/compete in the Midwest Gran Prix,are we going to have to *try* to beat you at each leg of the series,or,only at the one at Camp Perry? Inquisitive minds demand to know. If you are going to make all of the legs,it might bring such as Robert C.,Ron C.,Bob W.,Ken H.Jim S.,and,some of the other viable candidates out of the woodwork.
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Try Golden Toller

Msg. 110688  Posted by Al on May 11, 1999 at 09:55:58:

In Reply to: crosman 2240 posted by chris w on May 10, 1999 at 18:52:36:

Bought mine at Golden Toller for $49.00. HTH
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Try ARS - Air Rifle Specialists

Msg. 110687  Posted by AL on May 11, 1999 at 09:54:08:

In Reply to: Who is selling the Tanker Carbine? (NT) posted by andye on May 10, 1999 at 21:47:54:

Dave had one on display in late April. Look him up in the web links section. HTH
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Re: info. on shooting offhand

Msg. 110686  Posted by Wade on May 11, 1999 at 09:54:06:

In Reply to: Re: info. on shooting offhand posted by LOU V.K. on May 11, 1999 at 09:26:33:

I have found that raising the right elbow will
weld the stock better to the cheek and brings
the rifle in better to the natural position. On
a sporter stock the pistol grip does not allow
the advantages of a 10 meter gun, but I use the
same shooting style. The fingers are the only
thing touching the grip as my palm is about 2 or
so inches from touching. Not argueing, Lou, just
giving some of my personal experiences. BTW, I
have won the indoor league 4 years running in the
3 position with the highest offhand scores ever
recorded at our club (Desoto Rifle and Pistol Club).
Wade
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Re: About Delphi

Msg. 110684  Posted by LOU V.K. on May 11, 1999 at 09:48:30:

In Reply to: About Delphi posted by E Fudd on May 09, 1999 at 12:22:19:


Like E Fudd,I stop by at the Delphi site about once per week.My only complaint is that it is so bloody slow. I can cover more ground per minute here than I can over there in an hour.
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Re: Tanker Carbine

Msg. 110682  Posted by andye on May 11, 1999 at 09:44:18:

In Reply to: Tanker Carbine posted by The Airgun Letter on May 11, 1999 at 09:37:03:

So you still can NOT buy it yet, Right. andye
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sorry M Boyle, post was for Sean (nt)

Msg. 110681  Posted by Wade on May 11, 1999 at 09:42:27:

In Reply to: Re: Common hunting places in houston, tx...(ones you won't get the funny looks from others) posted by Wade on May 11, 1999 at 09:40:02:


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Re: About Delphi

Msg. 110680  Posted by wved on May 11, 1999 at 09:41:14:

In Reply to: Re: About Delphi posted by jb/ohio on May 11, 1999 at 02:42:19:

Hi JB! I've been thinking about this post and the log-in was one of the main deterants for me but I have never had the problems "getting in" that you mention. The AG forum is set-up to encourage airgun dialog. On Anything Goes (since I've been there) a consensus has always been taken before the "CUT OFF" axe swings. Though JM maintains AG, he manages it as OUR forum, and not just his. For those of us that like hard airgun discussions (like why Air Arms guns are better than HW guns), AG IS the place to go. I like both forums (and Straight Shooters too) and I try to contribute as best as I can, but I ALWAYS check Anything Goes first. Being from the area of the Berkeley Springs Applebutter Festival, I have to say that I like the fresh pressed apple cider, with all the pulp, better than the clear filtered stuff at the grocery store, but both are good. I don't feel that AGL and AG are in competition, it's just "different strokes for different folks".
Y'all come for a visit sometime and check the "pit dwellers" out! (but, the management needs to know your name first :-). Lets be friends and work together for the betterment of airgunning! wved

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Re: Common hunting places in houston, tx...(ones you won't get the funny looks from others)

Msg. 110679  Posted by Wade on May 11, 1999 at 09:40:02:

In Reply to: Re: Common hunting places in houston, tx...(ones you won't get the funny looks from others) posted by M Boyle on May 11, 1999 at 02:09:02:

I lived in Houston 10 years (1974-1984) and the
cock roaches will keep you busy shooting for as
long as you want. Of course they are as big as
a crow, but you wont be killing a protected bird.
The laws in Texas do not allow for anything under
a .243 caliber to be used for hunting, so it is
best to stick with the rodents and bugs. The Addicks
area south of Bear Creek and north of I 10 used
to be a great place to shoot. Wade
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Tanker Carbine

Msg. 110678  Posted by The Airgun Letter on May 11, 1999 at 09:37:03:

In Reply to: The Airgun Letter that showcased them says all RWS dealers. posted by Denny D on May 10, 1999 at 23:13:43:

There are some RWS dealers who don't carry any PCP guns - only spring guns. RWS has not been a big distributor of PCP guns, so they've probably got a bit of legwork ahead of them before a large number of dealers stock and sell the Careers in their various configurations.

Edith Gaylord
The Airgun Letter
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Re: info. on shooting offhand

Msg. 110677  Posted by LOU V.K. on May 11, 1999 at 09:26:33:

In Reply to: Re: info. on shooting offhand posted by Wade on May 10, 1999 at 15:15:22:


As a long time marksmanship coach,I have to disagree with one portion of Wade's advice,and,that,only depending on the stock design that you are using. If you are shooting a sporter stock,the pistol grip is angled away from the longitudinal axis of the rifle bore,and stock length. This requires that you raise your trigger side elbow,to position your hand to be able to pull the trigger straight back,instead of trying to pull down on the trigger. If your stock has a vertical pistol grip,this natural position changes to a better one,where the elbow can be allowed to fall to the shooters side,thus,relaxing the muscles of the trigger hand side of the body. any time that muscles are in tension,they WILL cause tremors. In short,just let the rifle 'ride your bones'. BTW,the rest of Wade's advice is excellent.
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Thanks for the correction!

Msg. 110676  Posted by The Airgun Letter on May 11, 1999 at 09:23:36:

In Reply to: Edith had Typo on town name should be 'Lampassas' ..nt posted by Ron B on May 11, 1999 at 08:45:07:

The address I provided on the Airgun Forum came straight from "Airgun Revue #4" - which Paul Piper saw and never commented on the botched city name! I checked the Zip against the USPS Web site, and they say it's associated with Lampasas, TX. Thanks for bringing this to my attention.

Edith Gaylord
The Airgun Letter
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Re: info. on shooting offhand

Msg. 110675  Posted by Wade on May 11, 1999 at 09:22:24:

In Reply to: Re: info. on shooting offhand posted by jj on May 11, 1999 at 08:01:20:

jj, you were correct, when I said resistance, I
was meaning that ones fine motor works best with
as little resistance.
The elbow on the hip is more easily accomplished
when in a shooting jacket, but the tecnique is
still valid without the garb. You may not be able
to actually rest your elbow on your hip bone, but
the "area" is still the place to put your elbow.
You may also try putting a Knee pad on your elbow
to add space or lift. The posture is awkward as
you are leaning back (sort of) with the hip jutted
toward the target. Just tuck your left elbow in
tight to your side and let your elbow catch a role
of skin just over your hip bone. Also, take 3 deep
breaths before you mount the gun and continue to
breathe as you are zeroing in on the bull. Just as
you get in the black, hold your breath. Don't gulp
a large breath, just hold your breath. The next
part is the most difficult as your trigger finger
must communicate with the brain and no other re-
flexes. This is where dry firing pays big dividens.
Your practice session should begin with dry firing
on the target until you see there is no flinching
going on. When you snap the trigger the sights
should be just where you intended them to be. I know
this is not possible with a spring gun but you can
practice with any gun for technique. HTH Wade
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Re: Anyone have .22 Eley Magnums for mail order??Lou I am a dealer for the Eleys ,not the sole Importer Thats all thanks /nt

Msg. 110674  Posted by Anthony Storey on May 11, 1999 at 09:21:24:

In Reply to: Re: Anyone have .22 Eley Magnums for mail order? posted by LOU V.K. on May 11, 1999 at 08:01:42:

nt
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That's why shot placement is so critical on airguns. (nt)

Msg. 110673  Posted by Howard C on May 11, 1999 at 09:17:02:

In Reply to: ft. lbs of .22 LR rimfire? posted by Clint on May 11, 1999 at 09:03:25:

nt
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Uh NO...NO...and more NO's....my bad....i guess i need to learn the right way

Msg. 110672  Posted by sean on May 11, 1999 at 09:14:06:

In Reply to: Re: Common hunting places in houston, tx...(ones you won't get the funny looks from others) posted by M Boyle on May 11, 1999 at 02:09:02:

:(
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Re: Mailing my Pro Elite?

Msg. 110671  Posted by The Airgun Letter on May 11, 1999 at 09:13:23:

In Reply to: Mailing my Pro Elite? posted by jason on May 11, 1999 at 02:08:45:

Contact Airgunwerks (Dave Slade) in California. Dave is a factory-authorized repair station for Air Arms guns. I do not know his policy regarding charges for repairing your gun. But I'm sure Dave can make your gun work right.

Edith Gaylord
The Airgun Letter
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Re: ft. lbs of .22 LR rimfire?

Msg. 110670  Posted by LOU V.K. on May 11, 1999 at 09:08:57:

In Reply to: ft. lbs of .22 LR rimfire? posted by Clint on May 11, 1999 at 09:03:25:


Because of variances between manufacturers,there is no standard that is absolute in manufacturing of .22 rimfire,high velocity ammo. Most,average a 40 gr. bullet at 1100 fps..If this data is used,the fpe works out to be 107.49822 fpe.
1100X1100x40divided by 450240= 107.49822.
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Re: ft. lbs of .22 LR rimfire?

Msg. 110669  Posted by Andrew Leung on May 11, 1999 at 09:08:36:

In Reply to: ft. lbs of .22 LR rimfire? posted by Clint on May 11, 1999 at 09:03:25:

Standard velocity is about 100 ft-lbs Hi velocity is about 120 ft-lbs
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ft. lbs of .22 LR rimfire?

Msg. 110668  Posted by Clint on May 11, 1999 at 09:03:25:

I know some of the powerful air rifles approach 30 ft lbs. How many ft. lbs is a regualar .22 LR rimfire? Thanks.
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Re: How much to modify existing manufactured pellets........

Msg. 110667  Posted by LOU V.K. on May 11, 1999 at 08:59:48:

In Reply to: Re: How much to modify existing manufactured pellets........ posted by Ron B on May 11, 1999 at 08:42:12:


Thanks Ron!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Re: Mailing my Pro Elite?

Msg. 110666  Posted by LOU V.K. on May 11, 1999 at 08:56:13:

In Reply to: Mailing my Pro Elite? posted by jason on May 11, 1999 at 02:08:45:

Who did your dealer pass you on to? If you are in the U.S.A.,and bought your rifle from someone other than Jim Maccari,you have no warranty,other than any that your selling dealer might personally provide. Jim refuses to repair under warranty,any guns that he does not sell.He is the only factory authorized Air Arms warranty station in the U.S.A..

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Re: Close focus distances

Msg. 110665  Posted by LOU V.K. on May 11, 1999 at 08:50:57:

In Reply to: Re: Close focus distances posted by Howard C on May 11, 1999 at 08:42:02:

If memory serves,the only reticle available in the fixed 36X40 scope is a 1/8 minutedot,with fine crosshair,whereas,the 6-24 is equipped with a medium thickness duplex reticle. For F.T. the fine c/h,and tiny dot don't work very well. The reticle just disapears in deep shadows. If I am incorrect as to what reticle is available in the 36X scope,I am CERTAIN that someone will correct me.

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Edith had Typo on town name should be 'Lampassas' ..nt

Msg. 110664  Posted by Ron B on May 11, 1999 at 08:45:07:

In Reply to: Re: Info sought on BB Machine Gun at Little Rock Show........ posted by Garry L on May 11, 1999 at 07:03:32:

nt
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Re: How much to modify existing manufactured pellets........

Msg. 110663  Posted by Ron B on May 11, 1999 at 08:42:12:

In Reply to: How much to modify existing manufactured pellets........ posted by vZc on May 11, 1999 at 05:21:50:

Vern,

You really are a cryptologist. As I, nor any one I know on this forum, has a decoder ring, would you mind using American-English sentences and structure?

Ron
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Re: Close focus distances

Msg. 110662  Posted by Howard C on May 11, 1999 at 08:42:02:

In Reply to: Close focus distances posted by Garry on May 11, 1999 at 07:11:30:

Garry

The factory say's 10 meters on focus, it is a very high quality scope, but maybe you should go with the 6-24x model so for the close shots you can turn down the power for clarity.

Just some thoughts.

Good Shooting !

Howard
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Re: Common hunting places in houston, tx...(ones you won't get the funny looks from others)

Msg. 110661  Posted by Ron B on May 11, 1999 at 08:34:59:

In Reply to: Re: Common hunting places in houston, tx...(ones you won't get the funny looks from others) posted by M Boyle on May 11, 1999 at 02:09:02:

Don't forget, crows are protected in Texas.

Ron
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Re: Making pellets........

Msg. 110660  Posted by LOU V.K. on May 11, 1999 at 08:24:37:

In Reply to: Making pellets........ posted by Ron B on May 10, 1999 at 22:25:56:

About 20 years ago,prior to the advent of the Crosman Premier pellets,the H and N Barricuda/Beeman Kodiak/Bisely Magnum pellets were the best on the market for F.T. competition with FAC precharged pnuematic rifles. They were good,but,could be improved. John Giles of 1911 ACP modification fame,invented a device to roll the pellets to uniformity.It was called the Giles pellet roller.He made only 25 of these,and,they are becoming quite collectible.They did work well,and,because of the need for lubrication of the plates of the roller,the pellets ended up being lubed.There has been a good bit of controversy among some of us old timers in the game,as to whether it was the reforming of the pellets,or,the residue of oil on the pellets,that made them shoot better. IMHO,it was the combination.
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Had a feeling that was where this thread was going. Hardee Har Har! (NT)

Msg. 110659  Posted by ertzog on May 11, 1999 at 08:20:56:

In Reply to: And............ posted by Ron B on May 10, 1999 at 21:42:09:

.

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You forgot to say more durable also (nt)

Msg. 110657  Posted by TM on May 11, 1999 at 08:19:49:

In Reply to: Re: Aperture Sights posted by MikeD on May 10, 1999 at 12:16:32:


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Re: Ace Hunter - Dave, If you do pls make it known to all....Thanks. nt

Msg. 110656  Posted by Johnny O. on May 11, 1999 at 08:19:07:

In Reply to: Re: Ace Hunter posted by DAS on May 11, 1999 at 01:06:10:

nt
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Re: Webley Tune

Msg. 110655  Posted by Ed Devlin on May 11, 1999 at 08:17:15:

In Reply to: Webley Tune posted by Curt Stauff on May 10, 1999 at 12:17:59:

I have had very good luck with a JM tune of my
Kodiak. Now that it is broken in, cocking effort
is less than 40 lbs, it is very smooth to cock and
shoot and I get better than 30 ft lbs with Diana
domes.

Ed
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Re: What is most popular Scope for $150-$200 range? (NT)

Msg. 110654  Posted by LOU V.K. on May 11, 1999 at 08:14:15:

In Reply to: What is most popular Scope for $150-$200 range? (NT) posted by andye on May 10, 1999 at 21:46:24:


More information is needed.Do you mean fixed power,or,variable,and,how much magnification?
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Re: P23

Msg. 110653  Posted by TM on May 11, 1999 at 08:13:30:

In Reply to: P23 posted by P23 on May 11, 1999 at 00:14:40:

If you can order one then Midsouth Shooters Supply has them for $51.
They normally ship within 24 hours and have great service.
Number is 1-888-SHOOTER.
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Re: What pellets do you prefer for the .22 Crow Magnum? .25 Kodiak? .20 RX-1?

Msg. 110652  Posted by Ed Devlin on May 11, 1999 at 08:08:08:

In Reply to: What pellets do you prefer for the .22 Crow Magnum? .25 Kodiak? .20 RX-1? posted by Brian on May 10, 1999 at 20:05:45:

I get very good results with the Diana Domes for
my .25 Kokiak, velocity in the 850's and very good
accuracy with the Vortek Accuracy Tamer.

Ed
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Re: FWB 124 Sporter

Msg. 110651  Posted by LOU V.K. on May 11, 1999 at 08:07:44:

In Reply to: Re: FWB 124 Sporter posted by RBest on May 10, 1999 at 23:00:42:


Russ' information is absolutely accurate,but,if you can't come to terms with the seller,a better rifle is available for less money.The Beeman R 9 has a better trigger,better basic action design,is more powerful,accurate,and wins more F.T. matches.As modified ,( tuned ) by Jim Maccari,it is the best kept secret in field target shooting. In the right hands,it has been known to take home all of the marbles.
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Re: Little Rock

Msg. 110650  Posted by The Airgun Letter on May 11, 1999 at 08:03:16:

In Reply to: Little Rock posted by trevor on May 11, 1999 at 06:27:57:

Hop on a Qantas plane and attend the BIG show in Roanoke, Virginia, the end of October. This show will be worth the expense of your trip. More airguns than you'll find in several years in New Zealand! The Roanoke show is the oldest in the US and traditionally has twice the number of tables (and airguns) that you'd find at any other airgun show. Robert Lickfold came from England last year with his wife, Angela, and left after a day and half - and he told us that it was very worthwhile to have spent the money. He left with some very nice and highly collectible pieces.

Edith Gaylord
The Airgun Letter
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http://www.airgunletter.null
http://www.airgunletter.com

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Re: Anyone have .22 Eley Magnums for mail order?

Msg. 110649  Posted by LOU V.K. on May 11, 1999 at 08:01:42:

In Reply to: Anyone have .22 Eley Magnums for mail order? posted by Dan on May 11, 1999 at 00:03:11:


Anthony Storey on this forum is the U.S.agent for Eley Pellets.I get my Magnum's from him,at 317 925 5544.
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Re: info. on shooting offhand

Msg. 110648  Posted by jj on May 11, 1999 at 08:01:20:

In Reply to: Re: info. on shooting offhand posted by jj on May 11, 1999 at 07:53:26:

I like to thank everyone who responded. I printed every one of these off and will start practicing.

Since I never seen these responses on off-hand shooting before, I thought it was some kind of secret.

I did get RB's trigger squeeze technique and printed it as well, some time ago, and it has
helped.

Again, thanks all, they were all good suggestions,
certainly more than I had before. You guys are great!!!
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Re: Looking for Valve Body Air Arms 100 series

Msg. 110647  Posted by LOU V.K. on May 11, 1999 at 07:58:01:

In Reply to: Looking for Valve Body Air Arms 100 series posted by ewoodie on May 11, 1999 at 03:15:00:

Your best chance of finding this obsolete part will be to contact Nick Jenkinson,owner of Link Arms in Paignton,Devon,in the U.K..Nick advertises in Airgun World Magazine.

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I have also provided an answer under Tracker's original thread. Link to posting inside (NT)

Msg. 110646  Posted by The Airgun Letter on May 11, 1999 at 07:55:22:

In Reply to: Double-talk? posted by ToddN on May 11, 1999 at 04:57:58:

Edith Gaylord
The Airgun Letter
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http://www.airgunletter.null
http://www.airgunletter.com

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Re: info. on shooting offhand

Msg. 110645  Posted by jj on May 11, 1999 at 07:53:26:

In Reply to: Re: info. on shooting offhand posted by E Fudd on May 11, 1999 at 01:08:21:

I tried Wade's method at home last night. It did seem to be more steady (and I am lanky). Thanks Wade. However, this seems good while shooting downward as you would in FT. In order to accomplish this while shooting straight ahead, I would have to bend my right knee slightly.

I do wonder what Wade meant by 'resistance', as in "but I start low and come into the target with resistance". I assume that he means that he is using some muscling??? Maybe he will explain.


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Re: Double-talk?

Msg. 110644  Posted by LOU V.K. on May 11, 1999 at 07:50:14:

In Reply to: Double-talk? posted by ToddN on May 11, 1999 at 04:57:58:

IMHO,the difference lies in whether the piece of merchandise is simply a pass through,by a distributor,such as Precision Sales,or,if it is a product of some highly technical hand work by a technician,whose personal livlihood,and reputation is at stake. No one expects RWS,Precision Sales,etc. to do a complete presale inspection of the product that they import. Jim Maccari,Paul Watts,Dave,at DAS,etc. are dealers/repairmen/modifiers.This makes them *personally* responsible for the guns that they 'do their magic' upon, and,as such should be afforded the first opportunity to make good on their written or implied warranty,prior to advertising any shortcoming that some consumer might find in the product they obtained from such master technicians.
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Doing business on the Interent

Msg. 110643  Posted by The Airgun Letter on May 11, 1999 at 07:47:17:

In Reply to: Double Standard? posted by jcbii on May 10, 1999 at 18:40:33:

The individuals who seem to get jumped on are usually those who have purchased a customized, tuned or modified gun and have e-mailed the person who did the work and sold them the gun. Because an instant response is almost always expected on the Inte.null (especially from smaller operations rather than big conglomerates), airgunners may have a tendency to jump to the conclusion that they're not getting answered quickly enough unless they get an immediate e-mail response.

I noted that the last individual who inquired about his Steroid said that he'd e-mailed Tim but had not heard back from him. How long did he wait after sending the e-mail before posting on the Airgun Forum? If he'd not heard back after 2 days, I'd say he should e-mail Tim, again. E-mail can get lost in cyberspace, and it's possible that it never arrived. Servers have problems, too. A quick phone call also works well to alleviate any immediate concerns that your e-mail is being avoided or has been hopelessly lost.

I recall seeing people who have posted on the Airgun Forum that they'd not received their current issue of our monthly newsletter (things still get lost in the mail). Since they never e-mailed, faxed or called us, I thought it somewhat odd that they'd bring it up for the first time on the Airgun Forum. But they did.

I don't take offense at these types of postings as many people think of the Airgun Forum as a place where they can voice private matters and concerns. The Inte.null has altered how business is conducted. It's a great way to do business, but it's still being refined in how we relate to each other.

Edith Gaylord
The Airgun Letter
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http://www.airgunletter.null
http://www.airgunletter.com

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Re: Who is selling the Tanker Carbine? (NT)

Msg. 110642  Posted by Phil Herman on May 11, 1999 at 07:18:01:

In Reply to: Who is selling the Tanker Carbine? (NT) posted by andye on May 10, 1999 at 21:47:54:

Andye,
At the WWCCA Aigun Show 'n' Shoot Tom Gaylord said he was told the gun would be out around the end of May. Also, he said initially only .22 would be available.
Phil Herman

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Close focus distances

Msg. 110641  Posted by Garry on May 11, 1999 at 07:11:30:

I've been interested in a B&L Elite 4200 fixed power 36x times scope for field target usage. Before I splash out the cash I wondered what experieces other have had with this scope.

Can it focus down to 10yards or so? are there any problems with close shots.

Thanks for any help.
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Re: Info sought on BB Machine Gun at Little Rock Show........

Msg. 110640  Posted by Garry L on May 11, 1999 at 07:03:32:

In Reply to: Info sought on BB Machine Gun at Little Rock Show........ posted by Kelly on May 10, 1999 at 22:41:20:

Made by Paul Piper from Lamposa,TX.Powered by CO2 and driven by a DC electric motor.Claims 1250 rounds per minute,seen it run myself and it did hum pretty good.Can be reached at Box 95,Lamposa,TX 76550.
HTH
Garry
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Little Rock

Msg. 110639  Posted by trevor on May 11, 1999 at 06:27:57:

Just been at Brads site looking at flicks of the LR show. I'd say there is nothing like this outside of the US of A!! We have Gun Shows but airguns are generally few and far between. I envy you guys!
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Re: My RX-1 is sick. Please help!

Msg. 110637  Posted by ewoodie on May 11, 1999 at 05:42:05:

In Reply to: Re: My RX-1 is sick. Please help! posted by RBest on May 10, 1999 at 18:26:08:

If you pump the RX1 ( HW 90 )to high, the trigger safety get in trouble.
Look also for the screws of the triggerguard when the are loose ( or to fast ) it give also trouble.
The lever( part no 2048a ) of the safety can be the trouble when there is a crack in it.
Mail me for a exp. drawing pic. if you want.

Shoot safe Ewoodie

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Re: What pellets do you prefer for the .22 Crow Magnum? .25 Kodiak? .20 RX-1?

Msg. 110636  Posted by ewoodie on May 11, 1999 at 05:28:53:

In Reply to: What pellets do you prefer for the .22 Crow Magnum? .25 Kodiak? .20 RX-1? posted by Brian on May 10, 1999 at 20:05:45:

For the RX1, the marksman FTS ( H&N FTT ) pellets works very good also the Premiers.
Look for the Crow Mag, at my page.

Shoot safe Ewoodie

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How much to modify existing manufactured pellets........

Msg. 110635  Posted by vZc on May 11, 1999 at 05:21:50:

In Reply to: Making pellets........ posted by Ron B on May 10, 1999 at 22:25:56:

... Hollowpoint (RWS or Marksman) Silver Bear plastic nose cone retrofits or

polymer skirt filler for CPs or large cavity types (compression augmentation)?
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Consumer ethics and the Web

Msg. 110634  Posted by Homer on May 11, 1999 at 05:17:48:

In Reply to: Double-talk? posted by ToddN on May 11, 1999 at 04:57:58:

I think the problem is the new technology. People never thought that mentioning a problem was slander until it became a matter of "broadcasting" due to the web. While i think that even having to have a problem rectified is a legitimate subject for discussion among consumers we all have new responsibilities now that we speak so loudly. Context must be set forth-then if a lot of work needs adjusted-thats tough. Consumers have a right to know how many need tweeked a second time.
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p.s. - see jcbii's reply to Martin in Tracker's " keeping it private " thread. (nt)

Msg. 110633  Posted by ToddN on May 11, 1999 at 05:12:28:

In Reply to: Double-talk? posted by ToddN on May 11, 1999 at 04:57:58:

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oops - wrong spot for the p.s. (nt)

Msg. 110632  Posted by ToddN on May 11, 1999 at 05:08:20:

In Reply to: P.S. Read jcbii's reply to Martin, under Tracker's " keeping it private " post. (nt) posted by ToddN on May 11, 1999 at 05:03:11:

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P.S. Read jcbii's reply to Martin, under Tracker's " keeping it private " post. (nt)

Msg. 110631  Posted by ToddN on May 11, 1999 at 05:03:11:

In Reply to: Double Standard? posted by jcbii on May 10, 1999 at 18:40:33:

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Double-talk?

Msg. 110630  Posted by ToddN on May 11, 1999 at 04:57:58:

Some of you need to explain something to me: when is
it, and when is it not, 'ok' to mention one's rifle
problems on this forum?! Most people get plenty of
helpful advice about their problem guns while some get
lamblasted. If the gun is from the best, like Jim or
Paul or Tim, is it taboo to mention problems HERE first?
Why is it automatically a poor reflection upon the poster
and a smear at the dealer if they do? I'm speaking about Martin's steroid post
of course, and I think some of you jumped to conclusions
about his motives and intentions. According to some
of your lines of reasoning, it would follow that ANY
rifle problems should be taken to the dealer first,
regardless who it is. I understand the arguments
given against Martins post, and they make sense, but
I don't understand why others are readily given a
hand. Please clear up this apparent double-talk
for me. APPARENT, I said. There may be something
I'm missing entirely.

ToddNothstine
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Looking for Valve Body Air Arms 100 series

Msg. 110629  Posted by ewoodie on May 11, 1999 at 03:15:00:

Hi,

I'm looking for a valve block for a Air Arms 100 (valve body part no.AA 3080 )
Who have one for sale?
And what is the price.

Thanks in advance

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Re: About Delphi

Msg. 110628  Posted by jb/ohio on May 11, 1999 at 02:42:19:

In Reply to: Re: About Delphi posted by wved on May 10, 1999 at 13:42:26:


the log-in may deter some, but i have to agree with e fudd. delphi is a pain in the butt. at some point, i usually find myself getting kicked off and don't know why. joe blake of ohio
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Could be, Jim. Could be... (nt)

Msg. 110627  Posted by ToddN on May 11, 1999 at 02:22:44:

In Reply to: Re: Ever wanted to take a picture standing proudly by your prized buck ? ..............with your pellet gun. posted by Jim B. in Nv. on May 11, 1999 at 00:59:39:

f
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Re: Common hunting places in houston, tx...(ones you won't get the funny looks from others)

Msg. 110626  Posted by M Boyle on May 11, 1999 at 02:09:02:

In Reply to: Common hunting places in houston, tx...(ones you won't get the funny looks from others) posted by sean on May 11, 1999 at 00:25:31:

did you ask to hunt on there land? was it in the city limits? did you have a premit to hunt from a truck?...hunting in the city limits is against the law in most states and from a truck is pushing it too..knowing that is part of the hunting hobby
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Mailing my Pro Elite?

Msg. 110625  Posted by jason on May 11, 1999 at 02:08:45:

My .22 missfired and the dealer has past me on to the factory rep. How should I mail my gun?
Any one have on opinion on AA warranty work?
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Re: Avoid the poll. Biased Questions.of course,BUT:

Msg. 110624  Posted by GH on May 11, 1999 at 01:27:35:

In Reply to: Re: Avoid the poll. Biased Questions. posted by RBest on May 10, 1999 at 20:11:10:

Pointing fingers? whatever!
So there were two choices,just like in many referendums,
does that mean you don't go and vote?
The entertainment industry "reflect the mores of
society",[which of course is the problem]..Don't see that
the gun industry fits into this picture,and be damned if I'll sit on my hands
when a "biased poll " taker thinks that it does!
As always,IMHO
GH
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Re: Kind of like the British airgun press. (nt)

Msg. 110623  Posted by E Fudd on May 11, 1999 at 01:18:51:

In Reply to: Re: Kind of like the British airgun press. (nt) posted by LOU V.K. on May 10, 1999 at 14:23:03:

Lou, I've never shot the gun, so I don't really know. I just happened to agree with Russ, and after reading perhaps 30 different Brit mags in which everything from Stalkers to Chinese spring guns are reviewed favorably I had to put in my 2 cents.
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Re: What is most popular Scope for $150-$200 range? (NT)

Msg. 110622  Posted by Mark Lemm on May 11, 1999 at 01:18:32:

In Reply to: What is most popular Scope for $150-$200 range? (NT) posted by andye on May 10, 1999 at 21:46:24:

Hard to say. My guess would be the Busnell Trophy series.

-Mark
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Re: Windage in different barrels the Anshutz bi-metalic

Msg. 110621  Posted by James Pieper on May 11, 1999 at 01:16:40:

In Reply to: Windage in different barrels the Anshutz bi-metalic posted by Jim P on May 10, 1999 at 20:00:19:

Yeh!! Had me going big time! Was thinking: "I'm gonna hafta get one of those!" You probably could have sold me one if you'd kept it up!! Thanks for the laugh! :-) But, you know, that's not a bad idea if only......
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Re: Improvements to Calif DFG hunting regs for airguns

Msg. 110620  Posted by Conrad (SJ CA) on May 11, 1999 at 01:14:03:

In Reply to: Re: Improvements to Calif DFG hunting regs for airguns posted by John M on May 10, 1999 at 18:18:58:

I suggested that turkey, duck and geese require
FAC guns because the alternative is to not allow
these birds to be taken with airguns.

It would not be humane.
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Re: info. on shooting offhand

Msg. 110619  Posted by E Fudd on May 11, 1999 at 01:08:21:

In Reply to: Re: info. on shooting offhand posted by E Fudd on May 11, 1999 at 00:49:03:

Just tried again. If I support the rifle with the tip of my middle finger I can do it. This doesn't seem conducive to good shooting though.
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Re: Ace Hunter

Msg. 110618  Posted by DAS on May 11, 1999 at 01:06:10:

In Reply to: Ace Hunter posted by Tyler Hathaway on May 11, 1999 at 00:34:31:

Tyler,

The Sharp Ace Hunter is the most powerfull, most accurate "box stock" multi-pump pneumatic air rifle that money can buy. Up until recently, I was importing and selling them for $339.95. In .22 cal. with 14.3 grain pellets, these rifles will yield 21.5 ft.lbs at 10 pumps. In addition, these rifles are very nicely made with all blued metal parts and excellent fit and finish of the stock and forearm.

If the $ rises a bit more in value, I might do a special order for anyone that wants one of these legendary air rifles.

Dave

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Re: Ever wanted to take a picture standing proudly by your prized buck ? ..............with your pellet gun.

Msg. 110617  Posted by Jim B. in Nv. on May 11, 1999 at 00:59:39:

In Reply to: Re: Ever wanted to take a picture standing proudly by your prized buck ? ..............with your pellet gun. posted by ToddN on May 09, 1999 at 17:32:03:

I have, somewhere, the photo of an Inuit woman and her Cooey(sp) single shot .22 rimfire rifle in front of the skin of a Kodiak Grizzly that she took with the .22 long cartridge. This was in one of the reputable Sporting magazines about 10 years ago. I know of at least one indigenous American that has taken deer with regularity with a single shot .22rimfire and probabaly continues to do so today, if he hasn't been caught.
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Re: info. on shooting offhand

Msg. 110616  Posted by E Fudd on May 11, 1999 at 00:49:03:

In Reply to: Re: info. on shooting offhand posted by Wade on May 10, 1999 at 15:15:22:

Unless you are extremely lanky your elbow will not rest on the bony part of your hip while in the offhand position. For me the two are separated by 4" unless I severely hunch my back.
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Re: P23 you can buy one at Big Five nt

Msg. 110615  Posted by Tyler Hathaway on May 11, 1999 at 00:36:04:

In Reply to: P23 posted by P23 on May 11, 1999 at 00:14:40:


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Re: Parts for HW-30

Msg. 110612  Posted by Howard C on May 11, 1999 at 00:35:38:

In Reply to: Parts for HW-30 posted by Sandy Blaize on May 11, 1999 at 00:17:52:

Sandy Blaize

Try Beeman at this number 1-800-227-2744 or John Groenewold at this number 1-847-566-2365

Hope this helps.

Howard
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Ace Hunter

Msg. 110611  Posted by Tyler Hathaway on May 11, 1999 at 00:34:31:

I have heard a lot of posts concerning the ACE air rifle and i was wondering if anybody could tell me what one was?
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Re: What pellets do you prefer for the .22 Crow Magnum? .25 Kodiak? .20 RX-1?

Msg. 110610  Posted by E Fudd on May 11, 1999 at 00:30:16:

In Reply to: What pellets do you prefer for the .22 Crow Magnum? .25 Kodiak? .20 RX-1? posted by Brian on May 10, 1999 at 20:05:45:

I like .25 crow magnum pellets from my Kodiak, but only for shorter ranges. They hit very hard up close. Unfortunately they seem to lose velocity very quickly and groups open up quickly after 40 yards. I have a harmonic balancer for the muzzle, and I have tuned it to them, so I get fairly good accuracy to a point. I am in the process of trying to choose a good long range pellet and am leaning towards #4 buckshot. It is relativly light, inherently stable, has low drag, and is dirt cheap. It appears to be identical to perfect rounds. It's very uniform, and fits into the barrel with similar resistance. I haven't done much shooting with it yet though, so any info anyone might have is welcome.
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Common hunting places in houston, tx...(ones you won't get the funny looks from others)

Msg. 110609  Posted by sean on May 11, 1999 at 00:25:31:

Well...the other day i was shooting around the bayou
and i have drove my truck down the side of it to get
a closer shot off at this crow..(approx 40 yds.) i took the shot
and looked to my left and some people come out of there house
and were just staring me down...when i pulled out the wife
was writing down my license plate #....so...i haven't
heard anything but i guess i won'tbe going back there..
sean...
OH and I missed the CROW.....
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Parts for HW-30

Msg. 110608  Posted by Sandy Blaize on May 11, 1999 at 00:17:52:

I'm looking for a supplier that can provide breech seals for the Weihrauch HW-30 air rifle.

Anybody have any clues as to who has some in stock or handles Weihrauch parts?
Regards
Sandy
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P23

Msg. 110607  Posted by P23 on May 11, 1999 at 00:14:40:

Does anyone know where I can get a GamoP23 in the
Bay Area of California for less than $89?
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Anyone have .22 Eley Magnums for mail order?

Msg. 110606  Posted by Dan on May 11, 1999 at 00:03:11:

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RWS 36 with GSI kit results

Msg. 110605  Posted by TER on May 11, 1999 at 00:00:41:

Just installed the GSI spring and guide kit from Jim Maccari in my '91 RWS 36C. The vibration and associated noise are gone now. Discharge is smooth with a seemingly faster lock time. Power is slightly above what it was before at 915 fps vs 905 fps average with CPLs. Cocking is smoother also. New life for an old friend. Thank you JM.

Terry
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Re: Muzzle Weight/Cocking Handle for BSA Supersport

Msg. 110604  Posted by Chris Ewald on May 10, 1999 at 23:47:20:

In Reply to: Re: Muzzle Weight/Cocking Handle for BSA Supersport posted by Alex/Wi on May 10, 1999 at 23:14:07:

Thanks for the tip Alex. I still have a Benji pistol, so Pneuman still applies to a degree. I'll check with Watts soon 'cause my SS needs a handle. I keep pulling the sight hood off when I cock it. Plus I want to remove all traces of plastic eventually. As far as Bristol goes. I definitely want to get there. I'm going to drag a friend too if I can. Thanks again.
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Re: info. on shooting offhand

Msg. 110603  Posted by Billy James on May 10, 1999 at 23:41:10:

In Reply to: info. on shooting offhand posted by jj on May 10, 1999 at 14:42:31:

Add my comments (actually from David Tubb) to the other good comments:
1. Find your "natural point of aim". Bring the gun into position with
your eyes closed, then open your eyes and note where your gun is pointing.
Adjust your position until the gun is pointing at the target. This way
you have to fight it less.
2. Determine your optimum timing. For awhile after you get into position
and start aiming, your hold will improve, then the longer you hold the
more unsteady you will get. Try to time your shots for that period where
you are most steady. With me it's fairly quickly after getting into
position. With other people, they seem to be able to hold longer.
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Your right, nothing at Crosman. Thanks for info on vintage - I'll check it out.

Msg. 110602  Posted by jcbii on May 10, 1999 at 23:30:59:

In Reply to: Re: Crosman 1400 Picture on web? posted by jrk on May 10, 1999 at 23:17:08:

Thanks,
jcbii

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Re: Things that make you go hmmmm.

Msg. 110601  Posted by Chris Ewald on May 10, 1999 at 23:22:49:

In Reply to: Re: Things that make you go hmmmm. posted by Jeff Guinan on May 10, 1999 at 18:05:00:

Please tell me you were kidding about the "s".;)
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Re: Crosman 1400 Picture on web?

Msg. 110600  Posted by jrk on May 10, 1999 at 23:17:08:

In Reply to: Re: Crosman 1400 Picture on web? posted by david on May 10, 1999 at 23:04:19:

The Crosman site is www.crosman.com but I don't think it will have what you are looking for. Their site is mostly concerned with their current line. You might want to check out Dean Fletchor's site, it concentrates on vintage Crosman airguns. To get there to The Airgun Letter then scroll down to Web Links. Click on the Web Links and then scroll through the list to Vintage Airguns. Good Luck
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Re: Muzzle Weight/Cocking Handle for BSA Supersport

Msg. 110599  Posted by Alex/Wi on May 10, 1999 at 23:14:47:

In Reply to: Muzzle Weight/Cocking Handle for BSA Supersport posted by Chris Ewald on May 10, 1999 at 16:25:53:

Pneuman (or should I now call you SSman),

I saw some really nice muzzle ornaments sitting on Paul Watts' table in LR. Deep blueing and clean lines with a variety of lengths. I think if you check out his homepage (see link below) and find the "Accrabrake" section, you'll see some pics and prices. If that suits you, you can e-mail him for specifics as to fit for a BSA SS.
HTH...
Alex/Wi.... from the southern end of the state.

BTW, if you're planning to be down here anytime soon, we've now opened the FT course at Bristol GC.

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Re: Muzzle Weight/Cocking Handle for BSA Supersport

Msg. 110598  Posted by Alex/Wi on May 10, 1999 at 23:14:07:

In Reply to: Muzzle Weight/Cocking Handle for BSA Supersport posted by Chris Ewald on May 10, 1999 at 16:25:53:

Pneuman (or should I now call you SSman),

I saw some really nice muzzle ornaments sitting on Paul Watts' table in LR. Deep blueing and clean lines with a variety of lengths. I think if you check out his homepage (see link below) and find the "Accrabrake" section, you'll see some pics and prices. If that suits you, you can e-mail him for specifics as to fit for a BSA SS.
HTH...
Alex/Wi.... from the southern end of the state.

BTW, if you're planning to be down here anytime soon, we've now opened the FT course at Bristol GC.

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The Airgun Letter that showcased them says all RWS dealers.

Msg. 110597  Posted by Denny D on May 10, 1999 at 23:13:43:

In Reply to: Who is selling the Tanker Carbine? (NT) posted by andye on May 10, 1999 at 21:47:54:

Look for those in the Airgun Resources. Denny D
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Don't forget the Haenel 311 either

Msg. 110596  Posted by RBest on May 10, 1999 at 23:10:22:

In Reply to: Re: Best air rifle under 500fps?...IZH61 of course. posted by Steve B. on May 09, 1999 at 21:24:38:

Bolt action spring powered tap loader in .177 cal. Quite accurate if in decent shape. Quality diopter sights too. No plastic AT ALL on this gun. RB. PS- you'll have to settle for a used one though.
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Re: .22 cal. pellets other than 14.3 gr BSA Diabolo and Copperhead Pointed

Msg. 110595  Posted by RBest on May 10, 1999 at 23:04:19:

In Reply to: .22 cal. pellets other than 14.3 gr BSA Diabolo and Copperhead Pointed posted by Peter F on May 10, 1999 at 22:26:38:

Peter: BSA Diabolo? Do you mean Benjamin/Sheridan 14.3 gr diabolo's? As for pellets, look in this forums main page for Airgun Resources, and click on that box. LOTS of places that sell pellets ! RB
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Re: Crosman 1400 Picture on web?

Msg. 110594  Posted by david on May 10, 1999 at 23:04:19:

In Reply to: Crosman 1400 Picture on web? posted by jcbii on May 10, 1999 at 21:58:50:

Hey Crosman has a Web sight I.m not sure of the address but try them.
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Re: FWB 124 Sporter

Msg. 110593  Posted by RBest on May 10, 1999 at 23:00:42:

In Reply to: FWB 124 Sporter posted by James Teeter on May 10, 1999 at 22:47:03:

James: the 124D ( deluxe) will easily fetch $350 right now. The standard 124 Sporter will probably go for $200, but don't hold me to that one. The deluxe has a checkered pistol grip with a black cap and white line spacer on the grip. The Rubber butt pad also has white line spacer and the stock features a semi-monte carlo cheekpiece. There were 2 triggers- plastic and metal- the metal is the preferred one. Either version can have that trigger. Regards, Russ
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FWB 124 Sporter

Msg. 110592  Posted by James Teeter on May 10, 1999 at 22:47:03:

I`ve got an opportunity to purchase a Fwb 124 Sporter in NRA 98% condition. What do you 124 experts think is a fair price to offer. Thanks for the info. JT.
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Info sought on BB Machine Gun at Little Rock Show........

Msg. 110591  Posted by Kelly on May 10, 1999 at 22:41:20:

I wasn't able to make it to the LR show this year.
I have been studying the picture of the gatlin - bb machine gun. Anyone know the specs on this gun such as who made it, how many fps, shots per minute, magazine capacity, power source. I am very curious about this gun and sorry that I missed seeing it there. Any and all info on this would be greatly appreciated. TIA - Kelly
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Re: Crosman 150

Msg. 110590  Posted by John Z on May 10, 1999 at 22:33:46:

In Reply to: Re: Crosman 150 posted by Jerry G on May 10, 1999 at 20:16:13:

Thanks for the information.........it does sound like it is worth getting cleaned up.

You people, not to leave out any ladies that might be present, are great.
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.22 cal. pellets other than 14.3 gr BSA Diabolo and Copperhead Pointed

Msg. 110589  Posted by Peter F on May 10, 1999 at 22:26:38:

This is my first post. Been reading the forum for about one month. I'm hooked! I received my BSA 392 with a Mac-1 Steroid and I am very pleased. The accuracy is more than acceptable for consistant hits on a 4"x4" steel plate at 35yds. with the installed peep sights. Power wise-it's a "butt kicker". There are no wimpy "tings" when the pellets hit the steel.
The only .22 cal. pellets I can find in the Atlanta GA USA area are BSA 14.3gr Diabolo's and 14.3gr Copperhead Pointed pellets. I would like to try some heavier pellets and maybe a hollow point if they exist. Where is a good place to purchase a variety of pellets. Thank you in advance.

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Making pellets........

Msg. 110588  Posted by Ron B on May 10, 1999 at 22:25:56:

In Reply to: " Why buy a cow when milk is so cheap? " (nt) posted by Jerry Rhodes on May 10, 1999 at 21:53:45:

Andye,

I researched pellet making for a 9mm. THe breakdown is one would be one could for a $700 investment make pellets at the rate of 300 an hour. Each modification(another pellet) would cost $200.

I think .355 115 grain copper clad HP's cost me about $80/M. So, I can buy 10,000 rounds before I can start counting lead costs. Oh, lead would cost $ 0.03 round.

Or you could cast them and inhale lead fumes.

Ron
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Re: crosman 2240

Msg. 110587  Posted by Wampas on May 10, 1999 at 22:08:58:

In Reply to: crosman 2240 posted by chris w on May 10, 1999 at 18:52:36:

Chris,
Krug's Hunter's Haven & Mac-1 among other places sell the 2240. HTH
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Re: Free product from RWS

Msg. 110586  Posted by Steve B. on May 10, 1999 at 22:03:28:

In Reply to: Free product from RWS posted by max on May 10, 1999 at 21:28:54:

Ron: You missed the real point. This would be an excellent marketing opportunity, we're talking the four P's here. Heh, heh....

HTH - Steve B.
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Re: I did it!! TX200

Msg. 110585  Posted by RBest on May 10, 1999 at 22:00:54:

In Reply to: Re: I did it!! TX200 posted by J Martin on May 10, 1999 at 21:49:01:

Just put 'em on and snug 'em up. You're ready to rock. Russ
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Crosman 1400 Picture on web?

Msg. 110584  Posted by jcbii on May 10, 1999 at 21:58:50:

Can anyone tell me if there is a picture of a Crosman 1400 somewhere on the web? I am still trying to find out what type of Crosman pump rifle I had. Thought it was a 140 (even looked at picture!), but I bought it new around '79/80. Based on the time I bought it, doesn't sound like it was a 140.
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" Why buy a cow when milk is so cheap? " (nt)

Msg. 110583  Posted by Jerry Rhodes on May 10, 1999 at 21:53:45:

In Reply to: Does anyone make their own pellets??? (NT) posted by andye on May 10, 1999 at 21:44:33:


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Good news, Paul

Msg. 110582  Posted by Jerry Rhodes on May 10, 1999 at 21:50:52:

In Reply to: I did it!! TX200 posted by Paul on May 10, 1999 at 21:33:07:

Paul,

That fishing thing is easy to get over. The airgun thing is like Herpes Simplex. It's with you for life and it waxes and wanes but never goes away. The good news is that when you give up the fishing thing your wife will never notice the airgun "budget" it will be so small in comparison.

I can hear it now...... "Dear, I have decided to sell the 100 mph bass boat with the matching trailer and dually pickup. To console myself I have ordered 2 John Wiscombe rifles and two nice Scopes. The total cost will only be about $7,000 dollars." "Paul, I'm so proud of you. Daddy was wrong when warned me about marrying a fisherman."

Good shooting.

Jerry
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Re: I did it!! TX200

Msg. 110581  Posted by J Martin on May 10, 1999 at 21:49:01:

In Reply to: Re: I did it!! TX200 posted by RBest on May 10, 1999 at 21:36:57:

RBest, The 5030H will work with no custom fitting
right? I ordered those for my TX....I hope they don't need any 'customizing' as I'm not mechanically inclined.
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Who is selling the Tanker Carbine? (NT)

Msg. 110580  Posted by andye on May 10, 1999 at 21:47:54:



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What is most popular Scope for $150-$200 range? (NT)

Msg. 110578  Posted by andye on May 10, 1999 at 21:46:24:



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Does anyone make their own pellets??? (NT)

Msg. 110576  Posted by andye on May 10, 1999 at 21:44:33:



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And............

Msg. 110574  Posted by Ron B on May 10, 1999 at 21:42:09:

In Reply to: Chuck: suet would be more like bait ! heh heh. NT posted by RBest on May 10, 1999 at 21:39:42:

Both of you took it!

HA,

Ron

BTW- I did not do the original post.
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Re: Avoid the poll. Biased Questions.

Msg. 110573  Posted by jcbii on May 10, 1999 at 21:41:32:

In Reply to: Re: Avoid the poll. Biased Questions. posted by RBest on May 10, 1999 at 20:11:10:

You know, I didn't even look at the poll for that very reason. Any way you answer, it will be used in some way against guns.
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Daisy 2003 o-rings

Msg. 110572  Posted by andye on May 10, 1999 at 21:40:46:

Looking for o-rings for this pistol. Please help.
Thanks, andye
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Chuck: suet would be more like bait ! heh heh. NT

Msg. 110571  Posted by RBest on May 10, 1999 at 21:39:42:

In Reply to: Re: Free product from RWS posted by chuck bridgeland on May 10, 1999 at 21:33:44:

nt
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Re: I did it!! TX200

Msg. 110570  Posted by RBest on May 10, 1999 at 21:36:57:

In Reply to: I did it!! TX200 posted by Paul on May 10, 1999 at 21:33:07:

Paul: Sportsmatch( also known as Beeman over here) will fit just fine. "std" 11mm dovetail width. BSquare also sells numerous mounts that will fit it. Regards, Russ
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Re: Free product from RWS

Msg. 110569  Posted by chuck bridgeland on May 10, 1999 at 21:33:44:

In Reply to: Free product from RWS posted by max on May 10, 1999 at 21:28:54:

>RWS is giving away a free bird bath with every purchase of select air rifles.

izzat supposed to be, like, bait?

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I did it!! TX200

Msg. 110568  Posted by Paul on May 10, 1999 at 21:33:07:

After posting questions and getting several suggestions, I ordered a TX200 from Jim M. today! I also ordered a Trophy 6-18 scope and special mounts from Mac-1. Unfortunately, I think I'm going to get the gun and scope well before I get the mounts. Does anyone know what size mounts the TX200 takes in I decide to get some cheap mounts locally just until my Mac-1 mounts arrive?
Please tell this gets better,but I'm already thinking about my next gun!!! I don't think my wife(or my budget) can handle another obsessive hobby(I'm also an addicted tournament bass angler)! Thanks for the suggestions.
Paul G.
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Crosman doesn't sell guns through their site NT

Msg. 110567  Posted by Ric in AZ on May 10, 1999 at 21:31:22:

In Reply to: Re: crosman 2240 posted by ERIC on May 10, 1999 at 19:21:30:


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Free product from RWS

Msg. 110566  Posted by max on May 10, 1999 at 21:28:54:

I have recently heard that RWS is giving away a free bird bath with every purchase of select air rifles. which models might these be and can anyone tell me how to take advantage of this offer?
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Re: Avoid the poll. Biased Questions.

Msg. 110565  Posted by joe on May 10, 1999 at 21:10:35:

In Reply to: Avoid the poll. Biased Questions. posted by Jeff Guinan on May 10, 1999 at 19:42:16:

Yes, the poll is biased. Yes, the entertainment industry could do more to deglamorize violence.
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Re: Windage in different barrels the Anshutz bi-metalic

Msg. 110564  Posted by DonC on May 10, 1999 at 21:02:12:

In Reply to: Windage in different barrels the Anshutz bi-metalic posted by Jim P on May 10, 1999 at 20:00:19:

Ya gave me a good laugh Jim P.
Don
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Re: Any chance --Yes

Msg. 110563  Posted by pilkguns on May 10, 1999 at 21:02:02:

In Reply to: Re: Any chance --Yes posted by Alan on May 10, 1999 at 06:10:54:

yes, using Wolf creek has been discussed a number of times, the difficulty is finding an appropriate time that doesn't conflict with other airguns hows or events at Wolf Creek
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Re: Aperture Sights

Msg. 110562  Posted by Mark Lemm on May 10, 1999 at 20:58:15:

In Reply to: Re: Aperture Sights posted by John M on May 10, 1999 at 19:54:47:

Hey John thanks for the reply. Yea the 77 came in last week and I can't wait to take it out and shoot FT with it using open sights. I think I just go ahead and order the aperture sights so I'll have them this Sunday. That way you can show me the ropes with how to use them.

-Mark
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Re: Aperture Sights

Msg. 110561  Posted by Rich on May 10, 1999 at 20:56:21:

In Reply to: Aperture Sights posted by Mark Lemm on May 10, 1999 at 02:53:15:

I certainly agree with the comments posted. Aperture sights are terrific. I have used them for many years on airguns, rimfires, as well as high power rifles. I can hold as tight a group at 50 yards using a good aperture sight as I can with a scope and you can too. Try it, you'll like it.
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Bad news JJ

Msg. 110560  Posted by Jerry Rhodes on May 10, 1999 at 20:36:30:

In Reply to: info. on shooting offhand posted by jj on May 10, 1999 at 14:42:31:

JJ,

Off hand shooting is like any other position.

You have to develop eye, hand, lung, leg, chest, neck, heart, back and many, many other muscle/nerve coordinations. This comes from careful, methodical, practice. If I tell you how I am able to shoot bottle caps at 40 yds off hand with the peep sights on my PE it won't do you a particle of good. See if you can find a good book on position shooting and read it carefully.

Once you have read up on the subject and understand the basics then start shooting at standard targets or dots on a sheet of paper at a fixed distance. (10m) is good or closer, smaller dots if the living room isn't that big. :-). You will slowly improve and you won't be able to tell anybody why your groups improved. They will have improved because your trigger finger and your brain have come to a "secret" understanding of exactly when you should squeeze to have the bullet impact in the dead center of what you are aiming at. At the exact moment of firing you should be virtually "brain dead". At that point you are an off-hand shooter. You won't be until aiming and shooting require no thought on your part to get the job done.

Don't worry about the wiggle, it WILL go away with time. Mount peep sights if the "looping around" is taking your mind off of "business". Spend a pleasant hour aiming at a spot on the wall, without shooting, while the 10 o'clock news and weather is playing out. If you have seen one house burning or 1 train wreck or 1 car crash or 1 drive by shooting scene you have seen them all and you can just listen and keep aiming at your spot on the wall. Two weeks of this will make a world of difference with your "looping" problem.

BTW getting there is 1/2 the fun.

Good Shooting,

Jerry
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Re: Looking for info on Crossman Model SSP250

Msg. 110559  Posted by Jerry G on May 10, 1999 at 20:34:37:

In Reply to: Looking for info on Crossman Model SSP250 posted by Phil on May 09, 1999 at 23:55:15:

Check out Jeff's recent article in US Airgun magazine! Everything you always wanted to know. . .
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Re: Approx. 50 fps LESS than one that flys out of an Ace Hunter at 10 pumps!!!...

Msg. 110558  Posted by Johnny O. on May 10, 1999 at 20:28:12:

In Reply to: Approx. 50 fps LESS than one that flys out of an Ace Hunter at 10 pumps!!!... posted by DAS on May 07, 1999 at 21:10:34:

If you ever start bringing them in again you'd better start with a good inventory. There are lots of us waiting for one.
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Re: HW50 at 850fps

Msg. 110557  Posted by Jerry G on May 10, 1999 at 20:28:05:

In Reply to: HW50 at 850fps posted by tomcal on May 09, 1999 at 18:45:53:

My late 70's HW50S shoots at original factory specs(just over 700fps with Premier lights).
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Re: Performance

Msg. 110556  Posted by RBest on May 10, 1999 at 20:27:08:

In Reply to: Performance posted by Mark_F on May 10, 1999 at 11:18:40:

Mark: a stock HW-77 in .22 will shoot in the low to mid 600s with commonly used pellets. Examples would be 650 fps with Crosman 14.3 gr Premiers and about 670 with Beeman Silver Bears. I believe Daisy Quicksilvers ran around 590 fps! Russ
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Re: RWS 52 vs RWS 54

Msg. 110555  Posted by LOU V.K. on May 10, 1999 at 20:25:00:

In Reply to: RWS 52 vs RWS 54 posted by Mark_F on May 10, 1999 at 11:07:31:


Commonly accepted physical principals dictate that in theory,the 54 will be slightly less powerful than the 48 and 52,because some of the potential energy transfer is to the movement of the action,rather than to the movement of the projectile. This is theoretical,and,due to the variances found from one example to another in any model run,would be most difficult to document. Perhaps M and G *could* shed some light on this,but,I doubt that they would,even if approached face to face.
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Re: BB's

Msg. 110554  Posted by RBest on May 10, 1999 at 20:20:42:

In Reply to: BB's posted by Richard on May 10, 1999 at 16:39:51:

Richard: I'm hardly an expert on Airsoft guns, but aren't they something like 6mm or7mm in caliber? BBs are 4.4mm. Russ
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Re: Measure your RWS 48/52/54 series front sight or muzzle weight ...

Msg. 110553  Posted by RBest on May 10, 1999 at 20:16:15:

In Reply to: Measure your RWS 48/52/54 series front sight or muzzle weight ... posted by vZc on May 10, 1999 at 15:44:10:

Vernon: given normal manufacturing tolerances, I'm not surprised. If your front sight assy I.D. was near or at the maximum allowable dimension, and your barrel sleeve was at or near the minimum allowable O.D.; there would be some "play" between the two. Regards, Russ
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Re: Crosman 150

Msg. 110552  Posted by Jerry G on May 10, 1999 at 20:16:13:

In Reply to: Re: Crosman 150 posted by John Z on May 10, 1999 at 08:40:14:

Velocity depends on pellet weight and temperature. Should do well over 400fps on a warm day. Accuracy of some 150s is excellent. Your Sears Ted Williams "match" version has a "ribbed barrel."
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GUN CLEANING

Msg. 110551  Posted by Rusty on May 10, 1999 at 20:14:57:

I see folks offering sugestions on gun cleaning from time to time so I thought I'd put my in my two cents worth. The absolute best way I've ever seen to clean a gun is with a little gun cleaning kit made by OTIS called the whole kit and caboddle. This kit will clean anything from .17 cal and up and using their method I have never had a gun come so clean in my life and I have been shooting for over 37 years.

Rusty <
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Re: Avoid the poll. Biased Questions.

Msg. 110550  Posted by RBest on May 10, 1999 at 20:11:10:

In Reply to: Avoid the poll. Biased Questions. posted by Jeff Guinan on May 10, 1999 at 19:42:16:

Jeff; you're right about the bias. Society is looking to blame something, and thereby enact a quick cure. Ain't gonna happen ! The real reasons run much deeper and will take a long and concerted effort on everyones part to bring about the proper change in attitudes. Regards, Russ
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What pellets do you prefer for the .22 Crow Magnum? .25 Kodiak? .20 RX-1?

Msg. 110549  Posted by Brian on May 10, 1999 at 20:05:45:

Right now, I'm bench-testing all of Beeman's pellets, plus the Marksman FTS and Crosman Premiers. I'm hoping to have some Eley Wasp soon, if MAC-1 can come through with the order.

If you have any of these rifles, please tell me which pellets you've found work best.

Also, I've heard that light pellets cause seals to burn up. I thought that a properly lubricated rifle should never burn it's seals. Does anyone know enough about pellets and air rifles to speak to this point? Please, I'd like to hear from someone who knows!
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Re: Maybe this will answer your questions about Pyramyd Air's Web site

Msg. 110548  Posted by Jerry G on May 10, 1999 at 20:05:36:

In Reply to: Re: Maybe this will answer your questions about Pyramyd Air's Web site posted by Marty Jones on May 10, 1999 at 18:04:41:

Marty,
I got the same msg. the other day! I have changed nothing with my browser, but today their site comes right up.
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Re: RWS 34 as Starter

Msg. 110547  Posted by chuck bridgeland on May 10, 1999 at 20:03:03:

In Reply to: RWS 34 as Starter posted by Jamie Hailer on May 10, 1999 at 17:24:29:

>I am thinking of purchasing my first airgun
>and am considering a RWS 34 in .177.
>Is this a good choice?

Is it a good choice? sure, one of many. First airgun, meaning you're not sure you'd really get into it that much? If you find out you don't like the sport you wouldn't be out a very great ammount of money, and it should be fairly easy to resell, if that's worrying you.

>Also, will I "outgrow" the
>.177 caliber?

If you think that's going to be a problem get it in .22.

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Jeff: that's the normal position for a PE trigger

Msg. 110546  Posted by RBest on May 10, 1999 at 20:02:07:

In Reply to: Pro Elite - Trigger adjustment question posted by jeffl on May 10, 1999 at 17:59:53:

Why do you think is has to be in the center? Many guns have the trigger located in the back half of the trigger guard. It also allows more room for a gloved finger. If it's smooth operating, I'd say leave it alone. Regards, Russ
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Windage in different barrels the Anshutz bi-metalic

Msg. 110545  Posted by Jim P on May 10, 1999 at 20:00:19:

In Reply to: Windage in different barrels posted by DonC on May 09, 1999 at 21:28:16:

Don,

I understand that some of the new Anshutz beta test bi-metalic barrels may have slipped into the U.S. and perhaps you have one.

The principal is that the outer barrel shroud is made of a material that expands and contracts a greater amount then the Irridum Steel barrel. When the wind blows the side into the wind is cooled and the barrel bends into the wind.

The shooter of couse dose not notice this bending as it is small. The effect is that no windage correction is required.

There is a caution as the initial batch of these barrels were "blued" and should not be used in direct sunlight. The current version - not yet imported are mirror finshed to overcome this problem.

Tongue firmly in cheek,

Jim P.
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Re: Aperture Sights

Msg. 110544  Posted by John M on May 10, 1999 at 19:54:47:

In Reply to: Aperture Sights posted by Mark Lemm on May 10, 1999 at 02:53:15:

Congratulations Mark I look forward to seeing it next week. Beemans and others carry Williams aperture sights. Beemans also has a FWB sight that is probably v expensive. I will bring the Beeman catalog next week.

I used apertures for years on small bore 22 rim fire competition. They can be very accurate.

John M
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Re: questions

Msg. 110543  Posted by LOU V.K. on May 10, 1999 at 19:48:56:

In Reply to: Re: questions posted by Mark_F on May 10, 1999 at 19:04:46:

They are definately frpm Hand N in Germany. The name that they carry,when sold by Beeman used to be the H and N Field Target Trophy. I think that they were marketed in the U.K. with that same name.

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Re: Rat Busting With MR Bulk�

Msg. 110542  Posted by MR Bulk� on May 10, 1999 at 19:44:00:

In Reply to: Re: Rat Busting With MR Bulk� posted by IDB on May 10, 1999 at 12:54:33:

If they can squeal, they are still alive and cognizant. Either the shot was not placed in a vital enough area, or the gun was underpowered (Gotta be .22). If you do not get another pellet into the rat immediately (and it will be flipping around and even leaping up in the air because it will be in great pain) the rat will escape, possibly to die in its lair and become food for its partners.

MR Bulk�


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Avoid the poll. Biased Questions.

Msg. 110541  Posted by Jeff Guinan on May 10, 1999 at 19:42:16:

In Reply to: Another ABC Gun Related Poll...Click and Vote*********** posted by GH on May 10, 1999 at 19:21:49:

The questions assume that the entertainment industry and the gun industry could actually do something to curb violence. They can't. Violent movies and games don't make kids violent. Gun manufacturers do not make kids violent, either.

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Re: Pro Elite - Trigger adjustment question

Msg. 110540  Posted by ERIC on May 10, 1999 at 19:40:06:

In Reply to: Pro Elite - Trigger adjustment question posted by jeffl on May 10, 1999 at 17:59:53:

I wouldn't unless you have a thing with tools. You could screw up bad, and wreck that beautiful gun of yours for good. pay a little extra for shipping and save yourself a lot of worry.
My opinion,
ERIC
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Re: Another ABC Gun Related Poll...Click and Vote***********

Msg. 110539  Posted by ERIC on May 10, 1999 at 19:37:50:

In Reply to: Another ABC Gun Related Poll...Click and Vote*********** posted by GH on May 10, 1999 at 19:21:49:

As a teen, I would like to say it's not the gun industry. Those kids on TV say "yeah i could probably get a gun, i'm not sure where, but I think I can". The truth is, it's not as easy as you think to get one ( this is not from personal ecperience, okay? ^-^). First you got to have money, where you going to get all that? Second, if you walk around and ask about one, chances are some self-rightous kid ( or the guy you're talking to) will overhear you and get you either in jail and expelled.

ERIC
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Re: Beeman R11 vs. RWS 54

Msg. 110538  Posted by BSJ on May 10, 1999 at 19:34:53:

In Reply to: Re: Beeman R11 vs. RWS 54 posted by ERIC on May 10, 1999 at 19:20:23:

I love my R11
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Re: Best overall pistol out of the box...Hurricane or Compact?

Msg. 110537  Posted by Don S on May 10, 1999 at 19:33:57:

In Reply to: Best overall pistol out of the box...Hurricane or Compact? posted by Mickey Z on May 10, 1999 at 08:12:56:

I got so mad at my Hurricane I smashed it on the floor....I guarantee you that you will at least think about the same thing if you buy one.

Regards...Don
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Re: Benjamin 3100 doesn't completely discharge..?

Msg. 110536  Posted by Alan on May 10, 1999 at 19:32:46:

In Reply to: Benjamin 3100 doesn't completely discharge..? posted by Billy Chapman on May 10, 1999 at 13:54:06:

Billy, I have found this characteristic on several older Benjamins. I believe a stronger hammer spring was provided in later model guns. I have found that many older valve stems(main part) tend to 'stick' to the exhaust valve seat because a groove has set in the flexible material(probably rubber back then) and though it still holds, it doesn't give a good duration when hit by the hammer and does not release all the 'charge'. You can cheat and remove the hammer spring and 'stretch it'(ok all you grimmacing airgunsmiths,I said it was cheating!) and give a heavier hit with the hammer, but it might be a temporary fix. If you can get a later spring-they are shorter but made of heavier stock, that will help some. The origional valve stem will still be sticky and hinder air charge release to a degree. Hope this helps. Alan

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Re: Pro Elite - Trigger adjustment question

Msg. 110535  Posted by Jon b. on May 10, 1999 at 19:29:42:

In Reply to: Pro Elite - Trigger adjustment question posted by jeffl on May 10, 1999 at 17:59:53:

jeff:
You could try taking the entire action out of the stock, and putting it back in checking for any obstruction or unusual fit. Otherwise, I can't help you with the trigger guard part of it, but I would advise against adjusting the two stage part of the trigger unless you know what you are doing or have some help. You might adjust it to where it fires whether the safety is on or not, or if you jar the gun, or maybe fires as soon as the safety is let off. As a new gun, I would think warranty work is the way to go. Happens sometimes even with good guns.
Jon B.
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Another ABC Gun Related Poll...Click and Vote***********

Msg. 110533  Posted by GH on May 10, 1999 at 19:21:49:

Will be a lot of these chances to vote-------
Keep shoot'n straight and knock off these
"birds" when they're on the POLE
GH

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Re: crosman 2240

Msg. 110532  Posted by ERIC on May 10, 1999 at 19:21:30:

In Reply to: crosman 2240 posted by chris w on May 10, 1999 at 18:52:36:

Just about any Mart store will carry them. You can also look at crosman.com.
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Re: Beeman R11 vs. RWS 54

Msg. 110531  Posted by ERIC on May 10, 1999 at 19:20:23:

In Reply to: Beeman R11 vs. RWS 54 posted by B Price on May 10, 1999 at 17:00:17:

I prefer the beeman. The spring on the rws 54 wears out quickly ( about 2000 shots). You might also want to check out the Pro elite.
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Re: RWS 34 as Starter

Msg. 110530  Posted by ERIC on May 10, 1999 at 19:16:12:

In Reply to: RWS 34 as Starter posted by Jamie Hailer on May 10, 1999 at 17:24:29:

um, sometimes. I started with a .177, then started to move towards .22. It depends on your needs. If you mostly like to shoot at targets and plink, pick the .177. if you plan to get some pest control and hunting done, I suggest .20 or .22. or maybe even up to .25. .25 pellets are hard to find locally and some people say they aren't to accurate but they sure do pack a punch.
By the way, check out the Supersport too.
HTH
ERIC

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Re: My RX-1 is sick. Please help!

Msg. 110529  Posted by sean on May 10, 1999 at 19:08:33:

In Reply to: My RX-1 is sick. Please help! posted by Darwin on May 10, 1999 at 17:21:47:

have you adjusted the trigger....if so the beeman service manual says that if the trigger goes below x amount of pressure it will not cock....i assume that is your problem or the barrel itself is not latching back into place.....that would be something else....
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Re: questions

Msg. 110528  Posted by Mark_F on May 10, 1999 at 19:04:46:

In Reply to: Re: questions posted by RBest on May 10, 1999 at 18:35:10:

I still dont understand anything, The Marksman FTS pellets sold in USA are they from the English marksman pellets factory? or H&N in Germany???

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Re: " Goo Gone " the url

Msg. 110527  Posted by Mark on May 10, 1999 at 19:02:45:

In Reply to: " Goo Gone " the url posted by vZc on May 09, 1999 at 22:08:54:

I use the Go Jo on a patch. I use a length of weedeater line, I use a lighter to heat and mushroom one end. I then sharpen the other and simply slide a patch on and carefully pull through.
mark
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Re: crosman 2240

Msg. 110526  Posted by Michael A. Schub on May 10, 1999 at 19:01:57:

In Reply to: crosman 2240 posted by chris w on May 10, 1999 at 18:52:36:

I bought one today at Walmart - under $50
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crosman 2240

Msg. 110525  Posted by chris w on May 10, 1999 at 18:52:36:

if you have seen a 2240, please post where i could buy one
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Thanks Dani--- I knew I had heard that somewhere. NT

Msg. 110523  Posted by RBest on May 10, 1999 at 18:51:52:

In Reply to: Re: FAC required for how many FPS in the US? posted by Dani on May 10, 1999 at 09:49:18:

nt
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Bud weis errrr ! NT

Msg. 110522  Posted by Lizard lips on May 10, 1999 at 18:44:29:

In Reply to: Re: Fly's at 40yards!! posted by Wile E. Coyote on May 10, 1999 at 01:27:40:

nt
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Double Standard?

Msg. 110521  Posted by jcbii on May 10, 1999 at 18:40:33:

In Reply to: Sorry all this caused any blemish... posted by MartinL on May 10, 1999 at 17:01:04:

I read your first post re: Steriod Streak, and I must say my attitude has changed. At first I thought, "gee, why doesn't he just call MAC-1?", but then I thought about how I am. I figure MAC-1 is probably a busy guy, and since I do not have much experience (technical, that is) with airguns, I might easily assume that "I" am the problem and not the gun. In that case I may just want to ask a question on this forum for the obvious reason that it is much more comfortable and convenient to get feedback. Maybe I could get the problem solved without sending in the gun or even having to call MAC-1 (especially if it is a dumb question that can easily be solved). This forum is a friendly place, right? So I read your post again, and with a new attitude, didn't see anything so offensive.

Another observation: People post messages all of the time on this forum complaining about specific problems with their airguns. I read some recently about the BSA SuperSport. And you know what? I don't recall a single reply trashing the individual for offending Precision Sales. Heck, I have even complained about my Beeman S1, and received help (thanks!) regarding my complaint, with no criticism about needing to call Beeman first, or offending the skilled airgunsmiths that work there. Isn't that what this forum is for; to share ideas/stories? Ask Questions? Share problems?

Sorry guys, but I have taken a complete 180 on this. Sounds like you can ask questions about certain airguns, but not others. Starting to smell a Double Standard here.
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Re: questions

Msg. 110520  Posted by RBest on May 10, 1999 at 18:35:10:

In Reply to: Re: questions posted by LOU V.K. on May 10, 1999 at 13:47:06:

Marksman also sells an equivalent ( some say better) to the Beeman Silver Bear HP. H&N is the real manufacturer, so this pellet may also be known under different names. Russ
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Re: My RX-1 is sick. Please help!

Msg. 110519  Posted by RBest on May 10, 1999 at 18:26:08:

In Reply to: My RX-1 is sick. Please help! posted by Darwin on May 10, 1999 at 17:21:47:

Darwin: Beeman should do the work on those Elite triggers. They are more complex than the Rekord triggers. Regards, Russ
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Caution using plastic or vinyl shims

Msg. 110518  Posted by Dick Thomas-Premier Reticles on May 10, 1999 at 18:20:18:

In Reply to: Scope gasket shims = 3M vinyl electrical tape thickness: (7, 8.5, 10 ) x mils posted by vZc on May 09, 1999 at 00:44:36:

It may be tempting using shims made from plastic, paper or vinyl but a work of caution. These materials will compress in time and change your zero. The thicker you go the more likley this is to happen.

The best material to use would be aluminum or brass. Aluminum is available by taking a pop can and cutting shims with scissors. The thickness of the can is about .004" and with normal ring spacing you can figure each .001" of shim thickness will change POI about 1 inch at 100 yards or .1" at 10 yards. More than .025" in total thickness is not recommended or you can over-torque the scope tube.

Dick

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Re: Improvements to Calif DFG hunting regs for airguns

Msg. 110517  Posted by John M on May 10, 1999 at 18:18:58:

In Reply to: Improvements to Calif DFG hunting regs for airguns posted by Conrad (SJ CA) on May 10, 1999 at 14:29:00:

I would keep it as simple as possible, as you have, and I would avoid like the plague any use of the word "firearm" such as in FAC. Don't get into energy levels if you can avoid it or we will be in the same position as British airgun owners.

Let us keep separate what is legal and what is good sportsmanship or humane behavior.

From someone who grew up under the British system:

John M
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ld's Little Rock pictures up at my web site

Msg. 110516  Posted by PAL on May 10, 1999 at 18:17:01:

I posted ld's Little Rock pictures. Check them out. Nice Quality.

Again page was thrown together fast, no thumbnails so it loads slow. Not linked to first Little Rock page yet, if you want that page here is the link: http://www.i.null.null/~plambert/LittleRock99/

ld's photo's are here:

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Re: Things that make you go hmmmm.

Msg. 110515  Posted by Jeff Guinan on May 10, 1999 at 18:05:00:

In Reply to: Re: Looking for info on Crossman Model SSP250 posted by Steve B. on May 10, 1999 at 16:00:02:

Steve: You've discovered something interesting about these guns that I hadn't noticed. The boxes (clear plastic clamshells) for my SSPs all say Super Sport Pistol, but the guns are stamped Silhouette Sport Pistol. And another thing - every one of the guns has only one S in the word Crossman!!! These guns are gonna be worth something, let me tell you.
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Re: Maybe this will answer your questions about Pyramyd Air's Web site

Msg. 110514  Posted by Marty Jones on May 10, 1999 at 18:04:41:

In Reply to: Maybe this will answer your questions about Pyramyd Air's Web site posted by The Airgun Letter on May 10, 1999 at 17:23:20:

OK, thanks. I notice I also get the same non-
payment message when I type in the URL directly,
"http://www.pyramydair.com", as when I click on
your link.

However, I can get to their sub-sites such as
the Anics page, by typing "http://www.pyramydair.com/anics!

Hopefully, if others have been getting the
same errors, this discussion will help.

best regards,

Marty Jones

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Re: Sorry all this caused any blemish...

Msg. 110513  Posted by ToddN on May 10, 1999 at 18:03:57:

In Reply to: Sorry all this caused any blemish... posted by MartinL on May 10, 1999 at 17:01:04:

Martin,

I'm sorry you were flamed the way you were. I honestly was
amazed at the flack you got from the guys, and think
they jumped to conclusions about your motives. I in no way
took your remarks to reflect poorly upon yourself or
to be an intentional smear of Mac 1.

Todd Nothstine



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Pro Elite - Trigger adjustment question

Msg. 110512  Posted by jeffl on May 10, 1999 at 17:59:53:

Put about 50 rounds through my PE and noticed the trigger guard was real loose so tightened up both screws. Then noticed the scope zero had shifted significantly and the trigger itself was closer to the rear of the guard. At this point I looked in the manual (never occured to me that a loose guard would affect operatiion) which essentially said that adjusting two stage triggers are beyond the comprehension of anyone but a gunsmith. The operation of the trigger is still as smooth as silk but there is only half inch between it and the back of the guard.
My questions are:
Should I leave well enough alone?
Is adjusting that trigger really that complicated?
If not, does anyone have a proceedure?
How tight should that front guard screw be?
Thanks in advance
Jeff


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Re: Improvements to Calif DFG hunting regs for airguns

Msg. 110511  Posted by Jon B. on May 10, 1999 at 17:57:48:

In Reply to: Improvements to Calif DFG hunting regs for airguns posted by Conrad (SJ CA) on May 10, 1999 at 14:29:00:

Conrad: Making shotgun and airgun regulations similar makes sense to me in terms of effective range. Also, reg's need to be simple, so I don't know how to treat power requirements. I don't believe the regulations make a distinction between what shotgun or load is used, i.e., .410, 28, 20, 16, or 12 guage. So why not allow ducks, geese or especially turkeys to be taken with an airgun? I don't see why we should be treated like kids with bb guns when we would have to go through the hunter safety class and buy a license, just like a bonafide shotgunner.
Jon B.
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Weihrauch Catolog

Msg. 110510  Posted by tomcal on May 10, 1999 at 17:53:50:

RA
Pyramyd Air. See Airgun Resources on this site.
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No, or it must be Marksman FTT ! any one has the complete name ?? nt

Msg. 110509  Posted by Axel on May 10, 1999 at 17:49:08:

In Reply to: Re: questions posted by LOU V.K. on May 10, 1999 at 13:47:06:

nt
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Re: Bamp;L Elite 4200 6-24x : the specs say 10M parallex and out ask A. storey if he can tweak it to 7-10yrds Nt

Msg. 110508  Posted by M Boyle on May 10, 1999 at 17:48:14:

In Reply to: Bamp;L Elite 4200 6-24x posted by Garry on May 10, 1999 at 03:57:45:


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Re: Bamp;L Elite 4200 6-24x: not sure if that one goes to 10yrds if so it should be great..you might get a custom rec/ Mil-Dot 1/8inch Dot from them

Msg. 110507  Posted by M Boyle on May 10, 1999 at 17:38:24:

In Reply to: Bamp;L Elite 4200 6-24x posted by Garry on May 10, 1999 at 03:57:45:


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Re: Webley Tune

Msg. 110506  Posted by Kevin on May 10, 1999 at 17:37:10:

In Reply to: Re: Webley Tune posted by Jim Dostine on May 10, 1999 at 13:05:07:


You can read about the details of the JM tune on his website. As
far as loss of power goes, I don't actually know because I don't have
a chrony and I don't want one. The gun is still more than powerful
enough for my needs and it's now so accurate that it's spooky. I asked
JM for the smoothest tune possible with the gun and told him that some
loss of power was fine. Absolute power from a springer is a waste of
time to me because it the tradeoff in firing characteristics.

No more jolt from the spring; it's a night and day difference. My gun
is a .22, which I also recommend in the Kodiak/Patriot and yes, I've
shot the .25, too. This is the gun I wanted when I bought the Patriot
in the first place.

If you're anywhere near NH you're welcome to try mine anytime.

-Kevin

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Re: Daystate CR97 Pump

Msg. 110505  Posted by The Airgun Letter on May 10, 1999 at 17:35:48:

In Reply to: Daystata CR97 Pump posted by B Price on May 10, 1999 at 17:08:23:

Yes, your friend can buy the Swedish Axsor hand pump for his Daystate. The pump is not difficult to use for those who are in average physical condition. I use it, too - and women usually have less upper body strength than men. The pumping action is not debilitating.

He can buy the pump from a variety of people, including Airgun Express, Air Rifle Specialists, Krug's Hunter's Haven and Burroughs International - among others. RWS is now importing the Axsor pump with the Career guns, so those who are RWS dealers will probably have access to the Axsor pump, too. He'll want to be sure it has a scuba head attachment so he can use the same equipment for his gun that he currently uses to hook up to his scuba tank.

Contact info for the aforementioned dealers (and many others) can be found on our Airgun Resources Web page - linked below.

Edith Gaylord
The Airgun Letter
staff@null.null
http://www.airgunletter.null
http://www.airgunletter.com

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Re: RWS 52 vs RWS 54 : No ; 52 has 1'' longer stock than 48; 54 adds recoil absorbtion nt.

Msg. 110504  Posted by vZc on May 10, 1999 at 17:30:53:

In Reply to: RWS 52 vs RWS 54 posted by Mark_F on May 10, 1999 at 11:07:31:

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RWS 34 as Starter

Msg. 110503  Posted by Jamie Hailer on May 10, 1999 at 17:24:29:

I am thinking of purchasing my first airgun
and am considering a RWS 34 in .177.
Is this a good choice? Also, will I "outgrow" the
.177 caliber? As a motorcycle enthusiast my
experience is that everyone always wants a
bigger bike. Is it the same with airgun calibers?

Thanks Jamie
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Maybe this will answer your questions about Pyramyd Air's Web site

Msg. 110502  Posted by The Airgun Letter on May 10, 1999 at 17:23:20:

In Reply to: Re: Pyramyd Air's link works just fine for me posted by Marty Jones on May 10, 1999 at 16:28:57:

I think I see the problem you're encountering. I'm not real savvy regarding the ins and outs of every aspect of Web hosting, but I'll try to explain what is happening with your browser.

It seems that Pyramyd Air's site is hosted by a company called liquidweb.com. They host sites via something called the Apache system. One of the drawbacks to the Apache system is that some older Web browsers do not find Web sites hosted in that way. I discovered this approximately 2 years ago when I could never get a specific company's Web site to come up - I could only get the hosting company's site. After much confusion about my inability to download the site I wanted, they said I must have an old browser(I had Navigator 2.01 at that time) and that I should update to a newer version that would recognize the Apache system. When I got Navigator 3.0 over a year ago, I encountered no difficulty accessing any sites that were hosted via the Apache system.

Since you mentioned a notice from Liquid Web when you tried to access their site, I typed in liquidweb.com/~pyramydair (which is an alternate method for sometimes finding virtually hosted domains) and came up with nothing - but I DID see a notice saying that their Apache system couldn't find the file I was looking for. That's how I know they host sites via the Apache system. Hence my explanation regarding some problems that could be unique to you and a few others.

Do you remember that sometime last year Brad Troyer's hosting service at pal.null.null converted to the Apache system and his classified ad forms were unusable for several weeks? That's because the conversion to the Apache system didn't work well with his site's forms, which were designed for another type of hosting system. And although you may not have any problem accessing Brad's site (I'm assuming it's still hosted via the Apache system), it is probably the cause of your current access problems at pyramydair.com (also, note that they spell the word "pyramyd" differently than the traditional spelling and what you have indicated - which can cause further problems if you decide to just type in the Web address in the future).

This is the best that I can explain it. Since I don't understand it fully, I'm sure I have not explained it well. But it's as good as I can do right now. If you'd like to know how to access Pyramyd Air's non-domain name Web site through Liquid Web's hosting service, you might want to write them at webmaster@null.null and expalin your problem. Unless, of course, you can just download a more recent browser version - which will solve your problems altogether.

I hope this solves your problem and answers any questions you might have. I guess it also answers the question whether or not Pyramyd Air is still in business. According to what I see on the Inte.null, they're open and doing business as usual. As a matter of fact, I spoke with Josh Ungier (the owner) just last week regarding some of the great things happening with his business.

Edith Gaylord
The Airgun Letter
staff@null.null
http://www.airgunletter.null
http://www.airgunletter.com

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My RX-1 is sick. Please help!

Msg. 110501  Posted by Darwin on May 10, 1999 at 17:21:47:

Sometime ago I posted that I was having problems with the auto-safty. Now when I cock the gun, it does not latch. I went hunting last light and it got progressively difficult to latch it. I can see of any fix it. Can any one help? Or is something to send to Beeman.
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Daystata CR97 Pump

Msg. 110500  Posted by B Price on May 10, 1999 at 17:08:23:

A friend of mine has a Daystate 97 and wonders if there is a manual pump he can use on his gun. He is tired of carring around a scuba tank.
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Re: $34 and up yardage pro can be $400 URL inclosed

Msg. 110499  Posted by M Boyle on May 10, 1999 at 17:03:02:

In Reply to: Re: i use a bow range finder to 50yrds..works well, if i see a home\farm i check to see how farr it is..works for me ..it was only a sugestion posted by Conrad (SJ CA) on May 10, 1999 at 16:16:35:



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The �A� Team�s Updated Document Folder version 051099 ~ Sorry messed up previous posting it was incomplete

Msg. 110498  Posted by A-TEAM-RAY on May 10, 1999 at 17:02:58:

Hans is leaving tomorrow for his Vacation. 3 weeks in Germany. I couldn't swing the time off from work but I sure wish I could visit the relatives. Maybe next time.

Well I've been updating and compiling and I tried something different. I changed the document format so I can squeeze in more information without the folder getting any bigger. Please let me know if it is easier to access the information in this manner or if the original way is prefered. Many of the documents now open with your web browser as an html document. This has the advantage of using smaller files to store the same amount of information and now you can choose the text size that you wish to read the document in. By changing the text size you can also decide how many pages it prints out as on paper. The drawback is not all of the formatting transfers over so there are both types of files (Word and HTML) in the folder but it should be easier to access and you will be receiving more information in the folder. The newest pictures show how to make a quick, and cheap spanner wrench for the Careers and the much asked about Precharged SSP250. I will be available via telephone and via E-Mail for any individuals that will be in need of information or products. The �A Team E-Mail Folder & Pictures 051099.zip� is the newest version with the following titles.

A Team Flier & Technical Info.doc
A team Parallax adj.htm
Career 707 Regulator Instructions.doc
Career Filler Tips.htm
Career Free Floating Technical Info & advice.htm ...................NEW DOCUMENT
Determining Reg Pressure for non-Careers.htm
Generic Regulator Instructions.doc
Harrier with new reg - Jan 99 Earl Brooks.htm
Recommendations of the A team.htm
The A Team Warranty.htm

01 The A Team.jpg
02 Reg Kit & Speed Loader.jpg
03 Scope Knobs.jpg
04 Career Forearms.jpg
05 Career Free Floated Barrels.jpg
06 Power Locking Screw.jpg
07 Filler & Trigger Adj Screw.jpg
08 Splitter Target.jpg
09 Home Made Spanner Wrench.jpg
10 SSP250 PreCharged.jpg

Each of the photos has as many as 4 photos built into it and it has a detailed description as part of the photo itself. Each photo prints out on to a full 8 � x 11 piece of paper or can just be viewed from your favorite application.

The �A� Team E-Mail document is free and chucked full of information that has been requested often. Everything is in 1 Zipped file that is 289 KB and UN zips to 424KB of documents and photos (photos don�t compress when zipped). To request The �A� Team folder just e-mail me with a little note and I will reply with the attached file folder. For additional questions or requests feel free to contact me at the number below.

Ray from ~ The �A� Team
(914-896-9792)
A-TEAM-RAY == > ateamray@null.null


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Sorry all this caused any blemish...

Msg. 110495  Posted by MartinL on May 10, 1999 at 17:01:04:

In Reply to: Why keeping it private? posted by Tracker on May 09, 1999 at 18:13:15:

Tracker..I was the one with the Steroid, it is a wonderful gun and has been crafted by the best around.

Half of me says shut up on the issue and the other half says to simply say that I was only asking global questions concerning a sudden problem I had with my rifle, causing me special attention and labels of a complainer. It was the backlash of opinions that really caused the problem(IMO.) Anyway, I intend on having "the master" take care of my problem as soon an the postal service can speed my 392 to California with absolute belief in the superior quality of work in the repair.

Sorry all this caused any blemish on the name of Mac-1 or the Steroid. ml
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Beeman R11 vs. RWS 54

Msg. 110494  Posted by B Price on May 10, 1999 at 17:00:17:

i'm looking to buy a new air rifle for silhouette shooting and wonder if anyone has an opinion. Also does anyone know which rifle is more accurate.
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The �A� Team�s Updated Document Folder version 051099

Msg. 110493  Posted by A-TEAM-RAY on May 10, 1999 at 16:47:45:

Hans is leaving tomorrow for his Vacation. 3 weeks in Germany. I couldn't swing the time off from work but I sure wish I could visit the relatives. Maybe next time.

Well I've been updating and compiling and I tried something different. I changed the document format so I can squeeze in more information without the folder getting any bigger. Please let me know if it is easier to access the information in this manner or if the original way is prefered. Many of the documents now open with your web browser as an html document. This has the advantage of using smaller files to store the same amount of information and now you can choose the text size that you wish to read the document in. By changing the text size you can also decide how many pages it prints out as on paper. The drawback is not all of the formatting transfers over so there are both types of files (Word and HTML) in the folder but it should be easier to access and you will be receiving more information in the folder. The newest pictures show how to make a quick, and cheap spanner wrench for the Careers and the much asked about Precharged SSP250. I will be available via telephone and via E-Mail for any individuals that will be in need of information or products. The �A Team E-Mail Folder & Pictures 051099.zip� is the newest version with the following titles.

A Team Flier & Technical Info.doc
A team Parallax adj.htm
Career 707 Regulator Instructions.doc
Career Filler Tips.htm
Career Free Floating Technical Info & advice.htm ateamray@null.null


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DIFTA Match ~ up coming Westfield ~ Brookhaven Matches ~ Career's + FT from The " A " Team

Msg. 110492  Posted by A-TEAM-RAY on May 10, 1999 at 16:42:53:

Well the DIFTA Match for May has come and gone and now that the smoke has cleared and the fog has settled The Career shot the high score of the match. I won't say it took Match High or Top Gun because those positions were omitted at the match. But none the less the Career did what it has always been capable of doing and that is putting the pellet where it's supposed to go. It shot one of the only 6 shots that hit and took down that treacherous off hand shot. And this time there was no tie for first place to be decided by any means. The Career shot 57/60 with the next 2 competitors shooting 55. There was no shoot off or tiebreaker for second place both people that tied got second place and then there was a third place individual. The two people that tied in second place Were JC Brown and Hans Apelles from The "A" Team. I'm sorry but I don't remember who had third. I also don't remember the piston class winners so I am sorry guys. The weather gave us a break after the downpour during the indoor shooters meeting so all went well.

Unfortunately my Career was the only one there. Come on guys I know there are more of you out there. These guns can take the top positions at most matches. It's a natural based on its accuracy and it is very inexpensive. JC Brown shot mine after the match and couldn't believe the trigger or how much fun the rapid firing was. He was hitting 7 or more out of ten fast and that was the first time he ever had one in his hands. These guns are great and NO THE "A" TEAM DOES NOT SELL GUNS. I'm promoting fun and inexpensive field target at top levels of competition. Don't worry about the CR97's, Protargets, NJR 100's, or FWBP70's this Career has been beating them for the last three matches it went to. Come on Hunters. Field Target is simulated hunting. Come on out. Kill some steel.

Ray from ~ The "A" Team is going to the May 16th Field Target Match to be held at the Westfield Sportsman's Club on Furrowtown Road in Westfield, MA. Check out the URL below:

http://www.exit3.com/~mlisowsk/fieldtarget.html

This is a spring gun only Match so I can't shoot my trusty Career so come on up earn the bragging rights by BEATING ~ The "A" Team. I've been rushing to setup my Tx200 but haven't got it done and just changed the scope again. I'm definitely in for a bruising so come and show me how it's done. I will bring the Career's for people to shoot so they can see just how much fun they are but I can't shoot the match with it. This is gonna be like that pistol silhouette match I shot at when I shot 9 points lower than the highest score. Not even close. Not a prayer. That's how this is gonna go. I've been trying to group the gun but it's shooting slow, Isn't trajectoried yet and I have no time to practice. Come on guys come and take your best shots.

Delaware County Field and Stream in Brookhaven PA is another really class act field target match. It is all off hand with Kill zones that are meant for off hand shooting. We are talking big stuff that you scratch your head about when you miss. There grounds are great. A lot of up hill and down hill shots and a beautiful walk from lane to lane. There is one shot per target and depending on the match 35 to 50 to 100 shots per match. The 100 shot match is their state Championship and that will be double tapped. You guys have to check out this match. And the trophies. They run 5 classes and there are 1st, 2nd, and 3rd for each class. They have 2 youth classes, Senior youth 13-18, and Junior youth 13 and under. They have a match high trophy for the adults and the juniors. The entry fees for the adults are $6 and for the juniors is $2. Jim Henry goes all out giving back to the shooters that are supporting the sport. They also have a grill in the clubhouse where you can purchase drinks and food if you want a hot meal. Their next match is June 6th and unfortunately The "A" Team won't be able to attend this one so how about a few extra shooters come in and pick up those trophies. Remember, BIG kill zones and OFF HAND ONLY. All AAFTA classes, Open, standard piston, and unlimited piston. Check out these URL's:

http://www.airpower.com/airgunhq.html

http://www.airpower.com/dcfs-fc.htm

If you go to those you can see the field target course, last match results, Pictures of winners and trophies. Targets and a whole bunch of stuff. Check it out.

Every body remember, Shoot safe, Have Fun, and CAREER'S RULE.

p.s. I know your gonna come after me JC, That's part of the fun.

Ray from ~ The �A� Team
(914-896-9792)
A-TEAM-RAY == > ateamray@null.null


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BB's

Msg. 110491  Posted by Richard on May 10, 1999 at 16:39:51:

Has anyone ever tried to shoot regular BB's in an Airsoft gun?
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Re: Pyramyd Air's link works just fine for me

Msg. 110490  Posted by Marty Jones on May 10, 1999 at 16:28:57:

In Reply to: Pyramyd Air's link works just fine for me posted by The Airgun Letter on May 10, 1999 at 14:25:23:

Edith,

This is the message I get when I click on
your link for pyramid air. I tried several
other of the links in your list, and they
all worked fine for me. I am clicking on
the highlighted name, "Pyramid Air".

best regards,

Marty Jones


Liquid Web:

This account is currently past due by over a month. Access
has been disabled until payment is made, or arrangements for
payment are made with billing.
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Muzzle Weight/Cocking Handle for BSA Supersport

Msg. 110489  Posted by Chris Ewald on May 10, 1999 at 16:25:53:

It seems I remember someone mentioning muzzle weights here recently. I didn't write down the details then and now I'm wishing I had. I believe they were made specifically for the BSA Supersport, required no shims, and were beautifully blued to match the BSA finish. My questions: Who sells them, how do they attach, is there a picture of one online somewhere, and how much are they? TIA

P.S. I hear a lot of questions about what mounts to buy and I don't hear MaxiMounts mentioned as often as I should. I've got one one on my Supersport and it is as solid as a stump. Just thought I'd throw that in.
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Re: Improvements to Calif DFG hunting regs for airguns

Msg. 110488  Posted by Conrad (CA SJ) on May 10, 1999 at 16:23:44:

In Reply to: Improvements to Calif DFG hunting regs for airguns posted by Conrad (SJ CA) on May 10, 1999 at 14:29:00:

Other states allow airgun hunting.

What are their rules ?
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Re: i use a bow range finder to 50yrds..works well, if i see a home\farm i check to see how farr it is..works for me ..it was only a sugestion

Msg. 110487  Posted by Conrad (SJ CA) on May 10, 1999 at 16:16:35:

In Reply to: Re: i use a bow range finder to 50yrds..works well, if i see a home\farm i check to see how farr it is..works for me ..it was only a sugestion posted by M Boyle on May 10, 1999 at 15:54:50:

How much does a bow range finder cost ?
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Re: which was more punch the .20 or .22 in a Career 707

Msg. 110486  Posted by Ken Hildebrand on May 10, 1999 at 16:08:36:

In Reply to: which was more punch the .20 or .22 in a Career 707 posted by andye on May 06, 1999 at 13:45:46:

I have a .20 Career II 707 carbine and love it.

Note that the .20 magazine holds 8 Crosman Premier Pellets (9 can be inserted, but the 9th will stick out a bit), whereas the .22 will hold 10 pellets. This is due to the longer length of the .20 pellet (same weight as the .22, 14.3 grains).

Ken
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Re: I opted for a gas piston installation by Beeman

Msg. 110485  Posted by Jim Dostine on May 10, 1999 at 16:00:30:

In Reply to: I opted for a gas piston installation by Beeman posted by Brian on May 10, 1999 at 15:06:35:

I am always amazed at the mixed reactions from users of
Webley Patriots, not different reactions from one user, but
rather different reactions from different users. It seems
that a person either loves one or hates one, nothing in between.

I personally love mine (.25 cal.). Mine is unmodified, except
for added grease applied by me to the main spring. This very simple
Add made the gun shoot with absolutely no vibration (note that the
gun wasn't bad right out of the box). I can put all my shots in the
center of a pellet tin lid at 75 yds, consistently. And that is
shooting off of the hood of my F250 without use of a padded hold.

Surprizingly, my Patriot shoots many different pellets well; it's not
pellet sensitive.

Just thought I'd share my experience...


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Re: Looking for info on Crossman Model SSP250

Msg. 110484  Posted by Steve B. on May 10, 1999 at 16:00:02:

In Reply to: Re: Looking for info on Crossman Model SSP250 posted by jeff guinan on May 10, 1999 at 12:40:07:

Jeff et al: Is the SSP the same as the Silhouette (.177) model?

TIA - Steve B.
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Re: i use a bow range finder to 50yrds..works well, if i see a home\farm i check to see how farr it is..works for me ..it was only a sugestion

Msg. 110483  Posted by M Boyle on May 10, 1999 at 15:54:50:

In Reply to: Re: Improvements to Calif DFG hunting regs for airguns posted by Conrad (SJ CA) on May 10, 1999 at 15:40:02:

if i see a farm i range it..if its 175yrds i dont even consitter shoooting in that direction..some would..the sugestion were for humane kills and safety. if a had a cheap daisy below 12ft lbs in power knowing that the minimum was 13ft would help me..consittering more info is always helpful.
helps one think past ones nose. impractical? maybe. but it helps me in safe choices in hunting. knowing there a limit max or min power can help any airgun hunter..IMHO
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Re: What is every one's favorite power-pl.null ? reasons ? nt

Msg. 110482  Posted by DAS on May 10, 1999 at 15:52:53:

In Reply to: Re: What is every one's favorite power-pl.null ? reasons ? nt posted by Axel on May 10, 1999 at 07:37:19:

I don't disagree with you on that account, but, I did say "general purpose"!

Dave

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Measure your RWS 48/52/54 series front sight or muzzle weight ...

Msg. 110481  Posted by vZc on May 10, 1999 at 15:44:10:

... with calipers (0.001") accuracy.

Post or email me.

I suspect loose fitting barrel sleeve interfaces.


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Re: Improvements to Calif DFG hunting regs for airguns

Msg. 110480  Posted by Conrad (SJ CA) on May 10, 1999 at 15:40:02:

In Reply to: Re: Improvements to Calif DFG hunting regs for airguns posted by M Boyle on May 10, 1999 at 15:25:27:

Your suggestions are not to practical. The DFG is
not going to have to measure the distance that
hunters shoot their game.

We could require hunters to use FAC guns to shoot
turkeys, ducks and geese.

Conrad
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Re: break barrel cocking

Msg. 110479  Posted by wved on May 10, 1999 at 15:34:45:

In Reply to: break barrel cocking posted by N Price on May 10, 1999 at 14:24:22:

Shooting from a bench, my R10 is very accurate at 33ft(round one hole 5 shot groups) but I noticed that the accuracy went south suddenly. I found that the barrel pivot tension adjustment had gotten so loose that I could see the barrel moving side to side when tugging the barrel sideways. Readjusting the pivot bolt restored the accuracy, but I'm amazed that the barrel detent "locked up" the barrel so well that accuracy didn't fall off till "wobbly loose". wved
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Re: Wanted- Crosman 600

Msg. 110478  Posted by Dave on May 10, 1999 at 15:25:49:

In Reply to: Wanted- Crosman 600 posted by Scubablizz on May 09, 1999 at 23:08:41:

I have one in very good condition,
in the box, for $225.
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Re: Improvements to Calif DFG hunting regs for airguns

Msg. 110477  Posted by M Boyle on May 10, 1999 at 15:25:27:

In Reply to: Improvements to Calif DFG hunting regs for airguns posted by Conrad (SJ CA) on May 10, 1999 at 14:29:00:

you can take turkey with airguns. id put some foot LBs thing in the rules say minimum hunting range 10yrds for 13ft lbs. and above. max 75yards for 24ft lbs and above. anything past 50ft lbs show be consittered a firearm..22short has almost the same power as career 9mm. maybe a 200yrds safety zone. any hunting area shouldbe no less or more then 200yards from a dwelling or business. this sounds reasonable to me
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Re: info. on shooting offhand

Msg. 110476  Posted by Wade on May 10, 1999 at 15:15:22:

In Reply to: info. on shooting offhand posted by jj on May 10, 1999 at 14:42:31:

Number 1: do not put left elbow on your stomach.
That elbow should be on the boney part of your
hip. Your body should be 45 deg to the target and
your feet no wider than the shoulders. Your right
hand will address the trigger best if the elbow is
raised and out to the side and not tucked into your
ribs. As far as acquireing the target, that is a
method best left up to the individual, but I start
low and come into the target with resistance. If
you start high and drop into the target the muscles
tend to be harder to control, in my case anyway.
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I opted for a gas piston installation by Beeman

Msg. 110475  Posted by Brian on May 10, 1999 at 15:06:35:

In Reply to: Webley Tune posted by Curt Stauff on May 10, 1999 at 12:17:59:

I wouldn't sacrifice a hunting rifle's power unless it was absolutely necessary. Period.

The Patriot or Kodiak, as it's called by Beeman, is probably too powerful for it's own good. Mine is a .25 caliber, and it had more bounce than Pamela Anderson. To be frank, the gun isn't worth much out of the box; it's just way too jumpy and innacurate for hunting beyond twenty yards. Shooting HEAVY rounds, such as the Kodiak Match or Perfect Rounds pellets, helps the spring-based Kodiak quite a bit, but I still wouldn't want to hunt with her. Better to have a Crow Magnum.

I don't know why the Kodiak is so bouncy. Maybe there's too much clearance between the spring and the chamber. Maybe the piston is too heavy. Or too light. I don't know.

I'll be getting my Kodiak back from Beeman any day now. And let me tell you, those guys are pretty damn fast! And their prices are right on. For $195, they replaced my spring with a piston, straightened the barrel, and tuned the trigger. Now, I'll have another rifle on the same power level as my Crow Magnum, with greater accuracy than ever before.

The gas piston is a huge jump forward in air rifle technology, and I believe it will eventually replace all spring powerplants in quality air rifles. Before having somebody slap damping compound in that Patriot of yours, think about upgrading to the gas piston. Not only will it be easier to shoot, but it will be more accurate, and more powerful. With the gas piston, you'll get everything you could ever want out of that gun!
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Probably affects cheap rifles; quality arms show no indication of inherent innacuracy

Msg. 110473  Posted by Brian on May 10, 1999 at 14:52:44:

In Reply to: break barrel cocking posted by N Price on May 10, 1999 at 14:24:22:

The quality break-barrel rifles from Germany and England are so well-made as to be highly accurate.

Accuracy, also, is a relative thing. If one was competing for the Olypics, then one would require a very specific type of rifle, yes? And single-hole accuracy? But if one competed in field target matches, one would need another rifle combining power and very sharp accuracy. And, then, if one only wanted to hunt, one needs the accuracy of a one-inch kill zone shot from 30 to 50 yards. Accuracy is relative only to application.

So, what would you do with the air rifle? That's really the question. If you're looking at high-powered break-barrel rifles for hunting and pest control, you can't go wrong with any one of several Beeman models.
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info. on shooting offhand

Msg. 110472  Posted by jj on May 10, 1999 at 14:42:31:

I have heard various methods of shooting offhand.
some of which are;

1, come up on the target quickly and shoot when lined up with bullseye.

2, Come down on the target quickly and shoot when lined up with bullseye.

3, I was told that the military used this method;
Come down to the right of target, then move right and shoot when lined up with the bullseye.

I am sure that I am holding correctly, elbow on stomach, rifle forearm on boney part of palm. Right elbow against side, etc.

There is one guy in our FT group that never seems to miss and he takes his time, no quick shots.
(he does use a sling though and a 36 fixed power scope).

I try doing this (without the sling and 40 power scope), and I don't seem to have much luck. Even when I turn the scope down to 20.

I can get dizzy looking thru it, looping all over.

Just like to hear the methods of others.

Thanks,
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Re: Kind of like the British airgun press. (nt)

Msg. 110471  Posted by jcbii on May 10, 1999 at 14:38:41:

In Reply to: Kind of like the British airgun press. (nt) posted by E Fudd on May 10, 1999 at 01:53:29:

E FUDD, & RBEST;
That's what is so nice about this forum. I learn something new practically everytime I access it. In hindsight now, it did seem like all of the reviews that I read in Airgun digest were favorable.

Anyway, about the new 1798. Is this a good gun for plinking inside the garage/backyard (given its price)? Article re: 1790 gave impression that it was a good introductory target gun for youths (fairly accurate), as well as cheap fun for adults.
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Re: Free at McDonalds aint' cheap either!

Msg. 110470  Posted by jcbii on May 10, 1999 at 14:32:10:

In Reply to: Free at McDonalds aint' cheap either! posted by RickK on May 10, 1999 at 11:35:44:

I was listening to the radio a while back, when a caller had asked why the majority of the American People are apathetic when it comes to current politics and government in our country. The DJ responded that he knew why, and that it could be explained with two words; "Beanie Babies".

I got a good laugh out of that one.
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Re: Why does this happen to me?

Msg. 110469  Posted by Bill on May 10, 1999 at 14:29:54:

In Reply to: Why does this happen to me? posted by Raul on May 09, 1999 at 14:29:58:

A tale on a friend rather than me, but beautiful! Seems old John was deer hunting; first time out for the season. He was using a bolt action 30-06 when this tremendous buck just came out of nowhere, only some 40-50 yards distant. First round-- no kill; 2nd round---no kill, just spooked deer! 3rd, 4th rounds as the quarry sped away; Didn't seem to have touched the animal.
After pondering a few minutes what the devil was wrong, he started to pick up the brass & leave, when he discovered he had ejected the entire magazine, and never actually fired the first round!
That is my nomination for one of the worst cases of buck fever ever contracted!!

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Improvements to Calif DFG hunting regs for airguns

Msg. 110468  Posted by Conrad (SJ CA) on May 10, 1999 at 14:29:00:


I am talking to Calif DFG about changing the
rules for airguns. 1999 is a down year for
changes. We are getting ready for the next
year 2000.

The guy at the DFG is very receptive to making
changes. I will be making the following proposal
soon:

1) Airguns make be used any place and time
where it is legal to shoot shotguns.

2) Airguns may be used to take all small
game except turkeys, ducks and geese.

3) Airguns can shoot birds on the ground.

Does anyone have comments or suggestions ?

Conrad Dost
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Pyramyd Air's link works just fine for me

Msg. 110467  Posted by The Airgun Letter on May 10, 1999 at 14:25:23:

In Reply to: Is Pyramid Air going out of business? posted by Marty Jones on May 10, 1999 at 13:57:23:

I saw your posting and immediately went to the Airgun Resources page to check out the link to Pyramyd Air. Their page came up immediately without any problems.

Edith Gaylord
The Airgun Letter
staff@null.null
http://www.airgunletter.null
http://www.airgunletter.com

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break barrel cocking

Msg. 110466  Posted by N Price on May 10, 1999 at 14:24:22:

I got a quick question: Do Break barrel cocking air rifles compromise accuracy? It would seem to me that all of that cocking would "Bounce" the barrel around a lot, and unalign it from my scope.
Is this a vaild concern? Thanks.

Nigel-
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Re: Kind of like the British airgun press. (nt)

Msg. 110465  Posted by LOU V.K. on May 10, 1999 at 14:23:03:

In Reply to: Kind of like the British airgun press. (nt) posted by E Fudd on May 10, 1999 at 01:53:29:


Elmer,why don't you and Russ call a spade what is is,a shovel. The Marksman 1790 series rifles are just molded plastic and zimac. They are overpriced even at the quoted figure.
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It is a quarter of the price of PCP then.

Msg. 110463  Posted by Harry Chu on May 10, 1999 at 14:16:22:

In Reply to: Re:This gun is accurate at least for 30yards.What I am interest is the location of your half price. posted by Andrew Leung on May 10, 1999 at 12:42:15:

.
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Re: Ask simple questions and get blasted. You guys a are predictable, I can count on that..(nt)

Msg. 110462  Posted by LOU V.K. on May 10, 1999 at 14:16:21:

In Reply to: Ask simple questions and get blasted. You guys a are predictable, I can count on that..(nt) posted by MartinL on May 09, 1999 at 18:59:58:

When you condemn a craftsman's product for poor performance prior to allowing him the *right* to repair,make amends,etc.,you are committing an .nullhical act. This has been discussed at great length on this forum,a few months ago.I started a long harangue on this identical subject then,and I am willing to get into a bout of verbal fisticuffs with all and sundry on the subject,now.
The advent of the inte.null has fostered the improper upbringing of most of our youth,but,I thought better of you.I am very disgusted with myself,because of my poor judgement about you.
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Re: Rat Busting With MR Bulk�

Msg. 110461  Posted by jcbii on May 10, 1999 at 14:12:19:

In Reply to: Rat Busting With MR Bulk� posted by MR Bulk� on May 10, 1999 at 10:00:14:

And then the only sound afterwards is the scrabbling of the already-dead rat's claws as it thrashes around in the cedar shavings on the house-sized chicken coop's floor
-----------------------------------------

A.K.A. it's "death dance".
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Why don't you call them?

Msg. 110460  Posted by Harry Chu on May 10, 1999 at 14:10:23:

In Reply to: Is Pyramid Air going out of business? posted by Marty Jones on May 10, 1999 at 13:57:23:

.
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Time for a spot of bragging.

Msg. 110459  Posted by LOU V.K. on May 10, 1999 at 14:03:31:

In Reply to: "As flies to wanton boys are we to the gods - They kill us for their sport. " N/T posted by Wm. Shakespeare on May 10, 1999 at 13:02:39:


I have been called a wanton on many occasions in my youth,but,for an entirely different,and,IMHO,much more pleasurable reason. ;-) ;-)
None of you will ever realize how thankful I am for retaining an exellent memory,into my dotage.
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Re: need help

Msg. 110458  Posted by jbeck on May 10, 1999 at 13:58:35:

In Reply to: Re: need help posted by Curt on May 10, 1999 at 12:27:34:

Curt,Thank You
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Is Pyramid Air going out of business?

Msg. 110457  Posted by Marty Jones on May 10, 1999 at 13:57:23:

They have an interesting special on ANICS in
last month's US Airgun, but when I click on
their link from The Airgun Letter, I get a
notice that their account is suspended for
non-payment. Anyone know the story?

best regards,

Marty Jones
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Benjamin 3100 doesn't completely discharge..?

Msg. 110456  Posted by Billy Chapman on May 10, 1999 at 13:54:06:

I have a 60's Benjamin 3100 that holds pressure and shoots hard, but doesn't completely use up all it's air pressure in one shot. In fact sometimes it will shoot [decreasing strength each time] 3 or 4 more times. What is causing this? Bad valve, or some kinda weak hammer mechanism? Is this easily remedied or do I need to send it to a repair shop? I'm pretty mechanically inclined and have lots of tools.. Any advice or tips greatly appreciated. Thanks.......... BC
ps. Also looking for bolt and over-barrel bb magazine for my other 3100.
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Re: About Delphi

Msg. 110455  Posted by John Studt on May 10, 1999 at 13:51:56:

In Reply to: About Delphi posted by E Fudd on May 09, 1999 at 12:22:19:

I just had to add on to this issue. The other reason Delphi doesn't rule is, guess what BIG EGO BOYS, nobody rules. Like anyone who enjoys an activity like airgunning, I am happy to learn something from people who are knowledgable and willing to share their knowledge. That said, teachers with ATTITUDE need not apply. I too look in Delphi from time to time, but look here far more often because Edith has taken the time and put forth the effort to keep this site free of people who are downright arrogant.
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Re: Best pellets for BSA Goldstar .22

Msg. 110454  Posted by davenk on May 10, 1999 at 13:51:08:

In Reply to: Best pellets for BSA Goldstar .22 posted by BW37 on May 10, 1999 at 09:06:34:

My .177 Gold Star shoots fine w/Crosman Premiers. I like the heavy 10.4 grain .177s. They give more consistent chrono readings than the lighter 7.9s.
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Re: questions

Msg. 110453  Posted by LOU V.K. on May 10, 1999 at 13:47:06:

In Reply to: Re: questions posted by jeff guinan on May 10, 1999 at 12:47:52:


HandN F.T.trophy?
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Re: About Delphi

Msg. 110452  Posted by wved on May 10, 1999 at 13:42:26:

In Reply to: About Delphi posted by E Fudd on May 09, 1999 at 12:22:19:

IMHO, the main reason Delphi doesn't draw more folks is because of the log-in "password". This is easy to do, but you are not invisible when you try to flame on Delphi. On Delphi some posters post pics and I feel that I personally know some of the "Delphi pit dwellers" that I've never seen in pictures. Last week a "Delphite" posted a pic of a HW77 stock that was hard to believe, beautiful smokey walnut, cast brass butt plate, fantastic carved nautical scenes, you have to see the pic to believe it. Also, when you get a reply to your post, you are notified when you read your mail (unless you disable it). You can set up the Delphi site to show "unread messages to and from you", "latest unread messages", "all messages", "all latest messages" etc. etc. You can also do a "search by key-words" to find old messages that are archived etc. All in all, I like the features of Delphi even if I have to jump thru a couple extra hoops, and I'm VERY far from a computer geek! wved
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Rebuild kit

Msg. 110451  Posted by Royce on May 10, 1999 at 13:39:54:

I have a Crosman Model# 38C .177 cal Pellgun that looks like a .38/.357 revolver that will no longer hold air when I put in a new air cartridge. Where can a get a rebuild kit for it?
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Re: Webley Tune

Msg. 110450  Posted by Mark Lemm on May 10, 1999 at 13:27:28:

In Reply to: Re: Webley Tune posted by Curt on May 10, 1999 at 12:40:56:

We aim to please...


You'll be happy with Dave. He worked on my Vulcan. Did a trigger tune and gas ram install it shoots great now.

-Mark
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AA Pro Sport Walnut (.177) w/ Leupold 3-9x33EFR

Msg. 110449  Posted by James Knight on May 10, 1999 at 13:23:58:

AA Pro Sport Walnut (.177) w/ Leupold 3-9x33EFR, and Beeman 1 piece mount.
Like New only 8 months old, Paid $1000.00 will sell for $700.00
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Re: Webley Tune

Msg. 110448  Posted by Jim Dostine on May 10, 1999 at 13:05:07:

In Reply to: Re: Webley Tune posted by Kevin on May 10, 1999 at 12:56:30:

Did JM replace the spring? or any of the other internal components?

How much power did you give up with your "smoothness" tune?

Thanks,...
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" As flies to wanton boys are we to the gods - They kill us for their sport. " N/T

Msg. 110447  Posted by Wm. Shakespeare on May 10, 1999 at 13:02:39:

In Reply to: Fly's at 40yards!! posted by Joey on May 09, 1999 at 23:06:40:



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Re: Webley Tune

Msg. 110446  Posted by Kevin on May 10, 1999 at 12:56:30:

In Reply to: Webley Tune posted by Curt Stauff on May 10, 1999 at 12:17:59:

Jim Maccari does a *fabulous* tune for the Patriot, but I'm not
sure if he's doing them at the moment, you'd have to ask him. He did
mine some time back and it was a transformation, a miracle. I had him
tune it for max smoothness at the expense of power, and I made the
right choice. It is still more than powerful enough for me and it's a
wonderful gun to shoot now. You'd be hard pressed to tell that it's
got a spring in there. A solid THUNK and zero vibration. Just wonderful.

I shoot my Patriot *far* more now than I did before the tune, it's that
much more enjoyable.

Beg JM to do the job.

-Kevin
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Re: Rat Busting With MR Bulk�

Msg. 110445  Posted by IDB on May 10, 1999 at 12:54:33:

In Reply to: Rat Busting With MR Bulk� posted by MR Bulk� on May 10, 1999 at 10:00:14:

Mr. Bulk,

One friend of mine shoots rats with an RWS 34 (.177), amongst other guns. He says that when he hits them, they squeal bloody murder. After that he may be able to get one more that evening, even though there are plenty around. What is the trick? Do you give 'em crackers first (so they can't whistle)? ;-)

IDB
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Re: questions

Msg. 110444  Posted by jeff guinan on May 10, 1999 at 12:47:52:

In Reply to: questions posted by mark on May 10, 1999 at 11:41:56:

H&N in West Germany. Round-head. Don't know of other names.
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Re:This gun is accurate at least for 30yards.What I am interest is the location of your half price.

Msg. 110443  Posted by Andrew Leung on May 10, 1999 at 12:42:15:

In Reply to: Re:This gun is accurate at least for 30yards.What I am interest is the location of your half price. posted by Harry Chu on May 10, 1999 at 07:04:22:

Harry, he ment HALF the price of a PCP....but in UK the gun is still at least 30% more than what we can get here...
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Re: Webley Tune

Msg. 110442  Posted by Curt on May 10, 1999 at 12:40:56:

In Reply to: Re: Webley Tune posted by Mark Lemm on May 10, 1999 at 12:24:07:

Mark,
Thanks much...super fast response.

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Re: Looking for info on Crossman Model SSP250

Msg. 110441  Posted by jeff guinan on May 10, 1999 at 12:40:07:

In Reply to: Looking for info on Crossman Model SSP250 posted by Phil on May 09, 1999 at 23:55:15:

Approx. 50000 made between 1989-1995. Scope did not come with gun.
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Re: need help

Msg. 110440  Posted by Curt on May 10, 1999 at 12:27:34:

In Reply to: need help posted by jbeck on May 10, 1999 at 10:56:03:

Can help with one question.
http://www.natchezss.com/
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Re: Webley Tune

Msg. 110439  Posted by Mark Lemm on May 10, 1999 at 12:24:07:

In Reply to: Webley Tune posted by Curt Stauff on May 10, 1999 at 12:17:59:

Dave Slade at Airgunwerks. He can do just a tune or a tune and a gas ram install if you like. His info is on the resources page.

-Mark
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Webley Tune

Msg. 110438  Posted by Curt Stauff on May 10, 1999 at 12:17:59:

Does anyone know who can do a tune on a Webley
Patriot or Eclipse?
Thanks.
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Re: Aperture Sights

Msg. 110437  Posted by MikeD on May 10, 1999 at 12:16:32:

In Reply to: Re: Aperture Sights posted by Steve Parker on May 10, 1999 at 04:41:03:

I can't add much to Steve's excellent description except to say that IMHO aperture sights are vastly underrated by most airgunners. They are a vast improvement over the typical stock "notch" sights, eminently suited to typical airgun uses and distances, are are a heck of a lot lighter, less bulky, and cheaper than any scope.

It's no accident that apertures are the near-universal standard for target and military long guns.
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questions

Msg. 110436  Posted by mark on May 10, 1999 at 11:41:56:

do the marksman fts pellets have another name? who is the manufacturer ? are they flat head or hp or pointed?
is there any web pages? pictures? of this pellet?

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Re: Why does this happen to me?

Msg. 110434  Posted by RickK on May 10, 1999 at 11:41:15:

In Reply to: Re: Why does this happen to me? posted by ERIC on May 09, 1999 at 15:34:00:

So Eric,
Does your new earring go on the bottom of your ear or in the top? (didnt mean to incinuate you had an OLD earring before) And Do you use a fishing lure as an earring for old times sake?
RickK
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Free at McDonalds aint' cheap either!

Msg. 110433  Posted by RickK on May 10, 1999 at 11:35:44:

In Reply to: Re: add them to your 'fun targets' list, and then buy a couple dozen! (nt) posted by ERIC on May 09, 1999 at 17:04:50:

But the ones that WERE given away free at McD. are now almost as pricy as the full sized real thing! Those collecters sure will pay for anything. A full set of 12 of the latest beanies from macdonalds went for $120 in the parking lot of a McDonalds near me! Just cant figure this stuff out.
Oh well, Just take out the pickles from the hamburger and shoot at them. Hey that will draw flys and birds and...Not a bad idea.
RickK
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Re: IZH-46

Msg. 110432  Posted by JOHN on May 10, 1999 at 11:23:28:

In Reply to: Re: Tootsie Roll handle posted by MikeD on May 08, 1999 at 23:50:42:



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Performance

Msg. 110430  Posted by Mark_F on May 10, 1999 at 11:18:40:

Any performance numbers for HW 77 .22 and Webly eclipse .177 or .22
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RWS 52 vs RWS 54

Msg. 110429  Posted by Mark_F on May 10, 1999 at 11:07:31:

Is there any power differences between these two guns? even a very slight one?
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need help

Msg. 110428  Posted by jbeck on May 10, 1999 at 10:56:03:

1) need phone no. of NATCHES Shooters supply
2)anyone know anything about CR97's.I am loosing
about 450psi in 60hrs.
3)is the PUMP for PCP's to much for someone with
a heart condition?
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Re: Gold trigger

Msg. 110427  Posted by Bubba on May 10, 1999 at 10:26:32:

In Reply to: Re: Gold trigger posted by Mike Reames on May 09, 1999 at 22:11:02:

Mike,
The gold trigger was also a fixture on the MK IV. At least the one that I got from Jim M. And I like it real good.
Respectfully,
Bubba
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Re: Daisy VL rifle- cause for misfiring?

Msg. 110426  Posted by mike on May 10, 1999 at 10:23:42:

In Reply to: Daisy VL rifle- cause for misfiring? posted by Alan on May 08, 1999 at 15:11:05:

i don't think you will have much more trouble as
i doubt you will find any ammo for it when you
run out. i had one seems like 10yrs. ago and got
about 300 rounds with it. when ammo ran low i sold
the gun with the remaing ammo because i could find
any ammo back then.it is a neat gun and very unique.
h&k has been developeing a caseless ammo battle
rifle for many years and the weak link is the ammo
i have my doubts as if it will ever reach production

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Re: Windage in different barrels

Msg. 110425  Posted by Jim Baumann on May 10, 1999 at 10:23:32:

In Reply to: Windage in different barrels posted by DonC on May 09, 1999 at 21:28:16:

Hi Don.

It is probably a result of the dfference in rates of the pellet's rotation. However, with out knowing the twist rate of the Anshutz's barrel, this is nothing more that a guess, on my part.

Jim


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Re: Best overall pistol out of the box...Hurricane or Compact?

Msg. 110424  Posted by DonC on May 10, 1999 at 10:11:46:

In Reply to: Re: Best overall pistol out of the box...Hurricane or Compact? posted by LOU V.K. on May 10, 1999 at 08:38:30:

The Compact, Nemisis, and Beeman P3 all are similar. I would opt for the P3 as it has the best out of box trigger. The other models can have trigger work done to make them perform better. All are about the same price. I have the Nemisis with a trigger job and you can purchase an optional shoulder stock for it. A red dot sight is a nice addition to these single stroke pneumatics,
Don
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Re: Windage at different velocities

Msg. 110423  Posted by GreggR on May 10, 1999 at 10:08:18:

In Reply to: Windage at different velocities posted by RBest on May 09, 1999 at 23:50:53:

The pressure wave is only 45fps more, it's hard to believe that at sub=sonic speeds that it was none other than pilot error instead of mechanical error. It's just good shooting with quick hand/eye/remembering corindination that makes it. Plus the CR-94 might be 2-clicks other direction off in windage that amplifies the down range light wind shot! YO....GR
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Rat Busting With MR Bulk�

Msg. 110422  Posted by MR Bulk� on May 10, 1999 at 10:00:14:

Inspired by the modifications we have done, it seems almost everyone is looking for a Crosman 600. But there is more than one way to bust a rat.

The other night we went out on yet another rat elimination adventure. And since the particular Sixball I brought along was experiencing some pellet feeding problems (yes, even Sixballs are not perfect), I pulled out my trusty Zasadny-modified .22 Career Carbine.

A Sixball is good for close-in work, sometimes shooting even down between your feet at frenzied rats scampering all around in a five- to ten-yard radius. But some can also get far enough away that they feel comfortable and confident, stopping to peer back at you. With the furry little beasts 20 to 25 yards away, different tools are required.

There is something about wielding a powerful PCP, sighting through a scope illuminated by a glaring red lamp, catching the crimson glint off a pair of beady little red eyes, sending a pellet hurtling away at nearly twice the speed a Sixball can muster, and reaching way out there to hear the surprisingly loud "PWOCK" as the 14.3-grain Premier introduces a huge air cavity right through the rat's body. And then the only sound afterwards is the scrabbling of the already-dead rat's claws as it thrashes around in the cedar shavings on the house-sized chicken coop's floor. Popping a rat from 20 yards away is a satisfaction that rewards the airgunner in an entirely different way than machine-gunning them to death with a rapid fire Sixball.

As long as the impact from the PCP is anywhere in the front half of the body it is almost always a one shot, one kill affair.

Like I said, there is more than one way to bust a rat. And I say this in spite of the fact that I am, after all

MR Bulk�


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Re: FAC required for how many FPS in the US?

Msg. 110421  Posted by Dani on May 10, 1999 at 09:49:18:

In Reply to: Re: FAC required for how many FPS in the US? posted by C. Brown on May 08, 1999 at 20:50:35:

C. Brown is correct. I happen to have a copy of the Illinois statute dated Sept. 5, 1991 and it states:
"The FOID Act defines a firearm as any device, by whatever name known, which is designed to expel a projectile or projectiles by the action of an expolsion, expansion of gas or escape of gas: excluding, however: any pneumatic gun, spring gun, paint ball gun or BB gun which either expels a single globular projectile not exceeding .18 inch in diameter and which has a maximum muzzle velocity of less than 700 fps or breakable paint balls containing washable marking colors...."

So, this means any .177 cal over 700fps and all other calibers do require a firearm ID card in Illinois.

The other states I know about are New Jersey and New York City. New Jersey is so bad they have even made slingshots illegal.

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Next DIFTA match: July 24. Link to DIFTA page inside (NT)

Msg. 110420  Posted by The Airgun Letter on May 10, 1999 at 09:40:47:

In Reply to: When is the next match at Damascus ? posted by Gary on May 09, 1999 at 21:01:15:

Edith Gaylord
The Airgun Letter
staff@null.null
http://www.airgunletter.null
http://www.airgunletter.com

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Pellet Mold For Casting Your Own

Msg. 110419  Posted by Mike B. on May 10, 1999 at 09:34:51:

Several years back, Beeman sold a pellet mold for casting 5mm "Spitzer" pellets (.20 cal. - I think it was made in England). Does anyone know of a company that sells molds for casting your own pellets? Might make an interesting piece of survival gear or something to experiment with. Thanks for any replies.
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Re: Fly's at 40yards!!

Msg. 110418  Posted by LOU V.K. on May 10, 1999 at 09:31:10:

In Reply to: Fly's at 40yards!! posted by Joey on May 09, 1999 at 23:06:40:

A few years ago,Jim Stanis,Rick Broughton,and,I had a little match,shooting flies at 50 yds. on paper targets "sweetened up" with used cooking grease. Any hit on a fly was good for one point,but,a hit which took out the entire body,leaving all six legs,was good for ten points. Needless to say,Jim ended up being the champion.I felt good about beating Rick by a narrow margin.

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Re: HW90/RX1

Msg. 110417  Posted by LOU V.K. on May 10, 1999 at 09:24:49:

In Reply to: HW90/RX1 posted by FRANK on May 10, 1999 at 08:27:41:

The gas ram system was designed and built by Theoben,of England. These parts are shipped to HW in Germany,where they are installed in Slightly modified HW 80 actions,which are then shipped to various distributors arround the world,which include Beeman.
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Best pellets for BSA Goldstar .22

Msg. 110416  Posted by BW37 on May 10, 1999 at 09:06:34:

Any suggestions? I would prefer a pointed or HP for
pest control. Do BSAs like lighter or heavier pellets?
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Re: Can you tell if CO2 Pistol has been used??

Msg. 110415  Posted by LOU V.K. on May 10, 1999 at 08:55:33:

In Reply to: Re: Can you tell if CO2 Pistol has been used?? posted by Jeff on May 09, 1999 at 21:59:51:

Is your question one of ethics,or,are you requesting technical information? If it is one of ethics,I say that you should force yourself to either keep it,or,sell it for whatever price you can get,and not cry over it,as,you were aware of the dealers policy prior to purchase,and,decided to shoot it anyway. If your question pertains to technology of how to cheat the dealer,it becomes a matter of involving others in your projected dishonest dealing,so,I guess that it is all a matter of ethics,honesty,etc..
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Re: Crosman 150

Msg. 110414  Posted by John Z on May 10, 1999 at 08:40:14:

In Reply to: Re: Crosman 150 posted by Jerry G on May 10, 1999 at 07:11:38:

Thanks for the info. You were absolutely correct about it being a 150, it appears to be a 150-1, in that it has multiple power settings adjustable at the back of the pistol. I believe that there are three settings according to my uncle. I did go into Vintage Airguns and saw it. Interesting though, mine has some type of a rail on top of the barrel, which didnt show up on the phote on file. It is narrow, and slotted along the bottom of the rail, the sights appear to be mounted on top of the rail.

Any idea of what the velocity and accuracy of this pistol could be? I understand from Mac1 that he could put a custom valve in it, any ideas what the improvement might be?

Hey thanks again for the information

And no, to the inquiry on selling it, my uncle wants to hold on to it. That's why I am going to get it in for work. But thanks for the offer.


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Re: Aperture Sights

Msg. 110413  Posted by TM on May 10, 1999 at 08:39:45:

In Reply to: Re: Aperture Sights posted by Steve Parker on May 10, 1999 at 04:41:03:

Don't forget that the aperature sight mounted at the rear of the gun will greatly increase the sight radius.
This in itself will greatly improve accuracy.
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Re: maintanence for the gamo hunter 880

Msg. 110412  Posted by Allen on May 10, 1999 at 08:38:53:

In Reply to: maintanence for the gamo hunter 880 posted by rob on May 08, 1999 at 03:06:28:

I've had an 880 for over a year now. You don't have to do anything special to it. Clean the barrel if accuracy begins to change. Wipe it clean occasionally. Keep shooting it til it wears out, then buy a better airgun.
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Re: Best overall pistol out of the box...Hurricane or Compact?

Msg. 110411  Posted by LOU V.K. on May 10, 1999 at 08:38:30:

In Reply to: Best overall pistol out of the box...Hurricane or Compact? posted by Mickey Z on May 10, 1999 at 08:12:56:

Your selection of these two pistols for comparison is somewhat like trying to compare chalk and cheese. The Webley product is tough as nails,but,extremely difficult to shoot with much precision at all. The trigger is only marginally useful for any paper punching,and,the recoil is absolutely wierd. It is a SUPER tough sporting pistol,with zero status with any target shooters. Conversely,the Gamo Compact is a target pistol,that is far too bulky to be usable as a top ranking 'sport' pistol.The velocity is low,but,extremely consistant. The trigger is a sheer joy for paper target work. The inherant aacuracy potential is a joy and a delight. You will have to decide what your use for a pistol will be. If you want to carry one in a fishing tackle box,pocket,or,holster for targets of opportunity,the Hurricane should be the one for you. If you want to shoot some paper targets in competition,the Compact is what you should spend your money on.
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DAS, Thank you (nt)

Msg. 110409  Posted by TM on May 10, 1999 at 08:30:14:

In Reply to: Re: Question for DAS regarding CB9 posted by DAS on May 09, 1999 at 20:42:24:



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HW90/RX1

Msg. 110407  Posted by FRANK on May 10, 1999 at 08:27:41:

ARE THE HW90 COMMES OUT FROM GERMANY WITH THE GAS RAM
OR IT'S BEEMANS'S
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Re: TX 200 Warranty

Msg. 110406  Posted by LOU V.K. on May 10, 1999 at 08:24:08:

In Reply to: Re: TX 200 Warranty posted by Bill on May 09, 1999 at 21:37:26:


This is all a matter of very poor marketing on the part of 'Bill'. Whatever cosmetic and functional enhancements that Jim Maccari commisions AA to do in the manufacturing of guns destined to be sold by him,or ,that he does,prior to sale areessentially for the benefit of Jim M.. This might appear to be an unusual way of looking at this situation,but,knowing that warranty repairs are an out of pocket expense for the servicing dealer,Jim M.is locking the barn door,before the horse has a chance to get out. It also makes the J.M. rifle a much better unit for the purchaser. The 'gold' trigger actually performs only one function.It displays that the unit is one of the finest,and,was sold by J.M.,thus,is entitled to have "factory authorized warranty work performed".
Another take on this is that 'some' buyers would like to get this warranty,but,don't want to provide the servicing dealer with sufficient funds to offset the loss that he will take by doing that service at the ridiculous labor rates paid by the maker,and,installation of parts that the maker forces him to install at his invoice cost. Why should Jim M. inventory a supply of parts at his own expense,knowing that he is not allowed to show a margin on them? I can envision no reason for Jim M. to extend warranty service to those customers who buy their AA rifles from a 'cut rate' dealer.
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That's it !!

Msg. 110405  Posted by Axel on May 10, 1999 at 08:15:37:

In Reply to: Re: What is every one's favorite power-pl.null ? reasons ? nt posted by MikeD on May 08, 1999 at 07:13:35:

Also no air valves to be damaged, simple assembly/disassembly, and if you lose your target, you can un-cock the rifle without losing the pellet so you will not be worry about the spring being compressed for a long...
"unlike a PCP, if you drop a spring gun from a cliff or a tree, there is a good chance it wouldn't explode" he hee
Axel.
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Best overall pistol out of the box...Hurricane or Compact?

Msg. 110404  Posted by Mickey Z on May 10, 1999 at 08:12:56:

As a former pistol silhouette shooter who has filled my time with kids, business and so forth, I have become interested in plinking and semi-serious paper punching that I can do at home. I have had airguns in the past but nothing serious. So I am looking for a pistol with good out of the box accuracy, reliability and ease of maintenance down the road. Am I barking up the wrong tree? Any other suggestions per model and especially reliable online merchants would be appreciated. Thanks!
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Re: Fly's at 40yards!!

Msg. 110403  Posted by Tree hugging WAKO on May 10, 1999 at 08:05:53:

In Reply to: Re: Fly's at 40yards!! posted by Bill B. on May 09, 1999 at 23:26:43:

Oh my, how could you kill such a useful creature
and baiting them to .There ought to be a law,But since there's not me and my boothers will rally in front of your house until there is no mre needless killing.

WAIT TILL UNCLE BILL HERE"S THIS!!!!!!!

Save the fly STF
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And what about the power changes with temperature ? nt

Msg. 110402  Posted by Axel on May 10, 1999 at 07:43:40:

In Reply to: Re: What is every one's favorite power-pl.null ? reasons ? nt posted by Rick Johnson on May 08, 1999 at 09:36:55:

nt
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Re: Information without intimidation

Msg. 110401  Posted by ...Ben on May 10, 1999 at 07:38:06:

In Reply to: Information without intimidation posted by The Airgun Letter on May 08, 1999 at 05:51:57:

Now wait a minute...I thought it was the "he works for Tim" whizzin' match. Now it's the "he's abusive & I only took 18 months to boot him" excuse. Judge Judy wouldn't let that fly without a swatting. ;)

Signed,

Cornfused
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Re: What is every one's favorite power-pl.null ? reasons ? nt

Msg. 110400  Posted by Axel on May 10, 1999 at 07:37:19:

In Reply to: Re: What is every one's favorite power-pl.null ? reasons ? nt posted by DAS on May 08, 1999 at 14:40:24:

Hmmmmm...
how long does it take to make multi charging pumps?
will it take enouugh time for you to lose your prey? answer: Yes
Axel.
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Re: Crosman 150

Msg. 110399  Posted by Jerry G on May 10, 1999 at 07:11:38:

In Reply to: Re: Crosman 150 posted by John Z on May 09, 1999 at 23:24:41:

Based upon the number you posted its a Crosman 150 made for Sears. The Online Airgun Museum has pictures of the 150 and the Mark 1. Check it out. There are a number of individuals who customize and/or restore old Crosmans. Check out Tim at Mac-1 (repair/custom work), Mike Archer (restoration/repair), Ron Robinson (trigger/action job/custom grips), Rick at Precision Pellet (repair/new seals/parts), etc. HTH
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Re:This gun is accurate at least for 30yards.What I am interest is the location of your half price.

Msg. 110398  Posted by Harry Chu on May 10, 1999 at 07:04:22:

In Reply to: crosman 2260 co2 rifle is it good? posted by al uk shooter on May 10, 1999 at 05:46:21:

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Re: Ted William Match .22 Air Pistol

Msg. 110397  Posted by NEIL on May 10, 1999 at 06:42:55:

In Reply to: Ted William Match .22 Air Pistol posted by John Z on May 09, 1999 at 23:05:21:

WOULD YOU LIKE TO SELL YOUR TED WILLIAM MATCH .22 TARGET PISTOL.

i'LL GIVE YOU A FAIR PRICE FOR IT ACCORDING TO ITS CONDITION.

REPLY TO FOXTROT22@null.null
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Re: Any chance --Yes

Msg. 110396  Posted by Alan on May 10, 1999 at 06:10:54:

In Reply to: Any chance of an airgun show in the Atlanta area? posted by Bill S. on May 09, 1999 at 23:31:04:

Gary Anderson at the Wolff Creek Olympic Shooting Center was willing to have one when I asked him a year ago. I have not had time. Nicest place for a show that I've EVER seen. Shoot on high tech ranges too, straight shot from the Atlanta airport, hotels,etc...Alan
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crosman 2260 co2 rifle is it good?

Msg. 110395  Posted by al uk shooter on May 10, 1999 at 05:46:21:

I tried a friends 2260 co2 rifle yesterday , it seemed powerful enough for hunting but is it accurate? I couldn't tell with just open sights and a short range. Can you get more than 12ftlbs out of one.,Over here, it is HALF the price of the cheapest pcp!
al uk shooter
thanks in anticipation...
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Re: Aperture Sights

Msg. 110394  Posted by Steve Parker on May 10, 1999 at 04:41:03:

In Reply to: Aperture Sights posted by Mark Lemm on May 10, 1999 at 02:53:15:


Mark: Yes, aperture sights are much better than regular open sights (IMHO). And yes, you do use the front sight as well. Actually, you look through the aperture and then try to ignore it (remember, you're looking THROUGH it, not AT it). Because your eye is so close to it, you will see a fuzzy, out of focus, circle (called a ghost ring). Look through the aperture at the front sight. Your eye will naturally center the front sight within the ghost ring. Then, place the front sight on target (usually the 6 o'clock hold) and have at it. My favorite set-up is the use a rear aperture, with a circular front insert. When aimed at a circular target, you see a circle within a circle, within another circle. Again, your eye does a good job of centering everything (equal amounts of space around each circle). Fast target aquisition and very accurate. HTH
Steve
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size of the dovetail grove on the wj80?

Msg. 110393  Posted by M Boyle on May 10, 1999 at 04:00:28:

was wanting to use a B-square AA mount for a Elite4100 and need to know that info
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Bamp;L Elite 4200 6-24x

Msg. 110392  Posted by Garry on May 10, 1999 at 03:57:45:

Any one using one of these scopes? how are they? are the optics as clear as people say? would this be a good FT scope or should I be looking for a scope with greater magnification?

Any FT scope recommendations gratefully received.
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Re: Balance

Msg. 110391  Posted by Mikael on May 10, 1999 at 03:03:10:

In Reply to: Re: Balance posted by Paul Watts on May 09, 1999 at 21:54:04:

Thats why i say it's a theory! It's to many different factors to calculate with so the only way is to experiment with the real things. But the most airguns only start with a theory and are not completed until you could get it to work in real world and it might be nothing left of the theory you started with. Thats why it's such a great hobby.
Mikael
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Aperture Sights

Msg. 110390  Posted by Mark Lemm on May 10, 1999 at 02:53:15:

Just got a beautiful used LH .22 HW77 with open sights and was thinking about putting on the deluxe sport aperture from Beeman. Are these that much of an improvement over the stock open sights? Is the front blade on the open sight used in conjunction with the aperture sight or is it ignored completely? I've never used or shot a rifle using an aperture sight before. I got the 77 becasue I wanted an accurate short range hunting and target rifle that I could use w/o a scope.
Thanks for you assitance.

-Mark
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Re: Best air rifle under 500fps?

Msg. 110389  Posted by Mark Lemm on May 10, 1999 at 02:15:04:

In Reply to: Best air rifle under 500fps? posted by Jeff on May 09, 1999 at 19:30:06:

Does a pump up count if you keep it pumped under 500fps? If so get a Steriod Streak and tell the authorities you never pump it past three! Otherwise you might look at an R7 in .20. It's rated at under 8ft/lbs and with heavy pellets you might make it under the limit.

-Mark
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Kind of like the British airgun press. (nt)

Msg. 110388  Posted by E Fudd on May 10, 1999 at 01:53:29:

In Reply to: Re: Best air rifle under 500fps?Favorable reviews posted by RBest on May 10, 1999 at 00:20:14:


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Re: Variations also exist from gun to gun, for example---

Msg. 110387  Posted by jb/ohio on May 10, 1999 at 01:44:56:

In Reply to: Variations also exist from gun to gun, for example--- posted by Burris on May 06, 1999 at 01:01:44:


hi burris. are these figures an average of something, or an "up to" figure or what? thanks. joe blake of ohio
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The epicenter for hot, high-pressure gas in Texas is Austin. (nt)

Msg. 110386  Posted by Ron B on May 10, 1999 at 01:34:45:

In Reply to: How about the Greater Dallas/Houston airgun show?? heh heh NT posted by RBest on May 10, 1999 at 00:18:07:


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Re: Fly's at 40yards!!

Msg. 110385  Posted by Wile E. Coyote on May 10, 1999 at 01:27:40:

In Reply to: Re: Fly's at 40yards!! posted by Ron B on May 10, 1999 at 01:14:21:


It smells like a rose and, therefore, does NOT attract flies! Ahh, Acme, why oh why do I keep going back to them? BECAUSE THE STUFF WORKS, THAT'S WHY! except for that pesky bird. I am NOT missing any toes (although a couple are swollen from stepping on bees). BTW, I have to ask, do you eat what you kill? woof woof
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Re: Texas Crows

Msg. 110384  Posted by DonC on May 10, 1999 at 01:27:24:

In Reply to: Texas Crows posted by chasm on May 09, 1999 at 20:29:40:

I just bought the same tape chasm. Were you in a blind/hide? I also bought a call to blow but sound really bad.
Don
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Re: Foolishness

Msg. 110383  Posted by jb/ohio on May 10, 1999 at 01:16:59:

In Reply to: Re: Foolishness posted by ToddN on May 09, 1999 at 03:09:57:


ld could be (and sometimes was) a real asshole. so what? get a life people! why does everyone have to be polite and courteous all the time? so you won't get your little old feelings hurt? so your self esteem won't be damaged? get off the.null and step into the real world. in the meantime, ld is missed. he contributed. joe blake of ohio
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Sounds like an Elmer Fudd story! NT

Msg. 110382  Posted by Clint on May 10, 1999 at 01:16:53:

In Reply to: Re: Why does this happen to me? posted by E Fudd on May 09, 1999 at 16:11:53:

nt
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Re: Fly's at 40yards!!

Msg. 110381  Posted by Ron B on May 10, 1999 at 01:14:21:

In Reply to: Re: Fly's at 40yards!! posted by RBest on May 10, 1999 at 01:01:57:

Russ,

You forgot, Wile doesn't know where the smell comes from. And, I believe he is missing a few toes!

Ron
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Thanks Russ nt

Msg. 110380  Posted by Tyler on May 10, 1999 at 01:07:32:

In Reply to: Re: Hey Russ peep questions posted by RBest on May 09, 1999 at 23:44:26:

nt
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Have lots of cash ready and be searching every where. They don't go for cheap. Any more. NT

Msg. 110379  Posted by Whitewolf on May 10, 1999 at 01:07:03:

In Reply to: Wanted- Crosman 600 posted by Scubablizz on May 09, 1999 at 23:08:41:

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Re: Crosman 2240, anyone have one?

Msg. 110378  Posted by jb/ohio on May 10, 1999 at 01:06:05:

In Reply to: Crosman 2240, anyone have one? posted by Bill on May 09, 1999 at 00:51:27:


bill, i have a 2240. i got 45 consistent shots from one powerlet. yes, it's fairly accurate, and, yes, it's loud enough to annoy the neighbors (unless you shoot it indoors; i shot mine in my garage and got no complaints). i do like mine and look forward to chrongraphing it. --joe blake of ohio
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Re: Chretin, the NRA and the SSP 250

Msg. 110377  Posted by Whitewolf on May 10, 1999 at 01:03:58:

In Reply to: Re: Chretin, the NRA and the SSP 250 posted by E Fudd on May 10, 1999 at 00:23:21:

You are so right with the NRA having a membership 2/3 to 3/4 of the population of Canada it defintly has our government officials worried.

Later Whitewolf
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Re: Fly's at 40yards!!

Msg. 110376  Posted by RBest on May 10, 1999 at 01:01:57:

In Reply to: Re: Fly's at 40yards!! posted by Wile E. Coyote on May 10, 1999 at 00:57:38:

What?? You mean you don't "drop" your own bait?? I heard coyote dung is THE dung for flies. Is the flypaper made by ACME? RB
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Re: Fly's at 40yards!!

Msg. 110375  Posted by Wile E. Coyote on May 10, 1999 at 00:57:38:

In Reply to: Re: Fly's at 40yards!! posted by Joey on May 09, 1999 at 23:52:03:


Here's how I shoot flies at 40 yards. First, I get one of those spiral sticky strips and hang it at 20 yards. Then, when flies get stuck on it I shoot at them. Then I get on the forum. . . woof woof
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Re: TX 200 Warranty

Msg. 110374  Posted by JIM on May 10, 1999 at 00:39:58:

In Reply to: TX 200 Warranty posted by Bill on May 09, 1999 at 20:47:54:


Tommy Hudson, why dont you use your real name? You had your TX tuned, didn't you?

Born to be a trouble maker. Dislike is one thing, outright trouble making is another.
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Re: Chretin, the NRA and the SSP 250

Msg. 110373  Posted by E Fudd on May 10, 1999 at 00:23:21:

In Reply to: Chretin, the NRA and the SSP 250 posted by Dave K. on May 09, 1999 at 12:52:28:

It sounds like your prime minister prefers your NFA to our NRA. I think this says alot about which one would be more effective.
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Re: CP Heavies Are Great in My TX200!

Msg. 110372  Posted by David in Texas on May 10, 1999 at 00:20:19:

In Reply to: CP Heavies Are Great in My TX200! posted by MartinL on May 09, 1999 at 21:42:00:

To All: Shot with Martin this afternoon. He was hitting that 1" spinner everytime. His TX-200 is broken in nicely and shoots the 10.5 grain CPs dead on. His 55 yard range off the back deck allows him plenty of time to practice,I should be so lucky. Anyway, we nailed a few cans and talked about airguns and the crows we could hear just out of range. I got to sight-in my new PRO-ELITE .22 and was able to hit the 1" spinner off hand a couple of times. I had better luck with the middle sized and large one. Outdoors the PE made almost no noise. When Martin tried it I noted that it was the quiteness air rifle that I had ever heard. Shooting with a friend is the perfect end to the weekend. It's back to work tomorrow so everyone have a good week. David in Texas.
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Re: Best air rifle under 500fps?Favorable reviews

Msg. 110371  Posted by RBest on May 10, 1999 at 00:20:14:

In Reply to: Re: Best air rifle under 500fps? posted by jcbii on May 09, 1999 at 23:21:52:

JCB: Jess Galan reviews everything favorably ! ;>) Russ
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How about the Greater Dallas/Houston airgun show?? heh heh NT

Msg. 110370  Posted by RBest on May 10, 1999 at 00:18:07:

In Reply to: Re: Is there a Houston, Tx airgun show......if so when is it. posted by Doug Law on May 09, 1999 at 23:11:17:

nt
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Re: What would you recommend

Msg. 110369  Posted by jcbii on May 10, 1999 at 00:17:31:

In Reply to: Re: What would you recommend posted by wved on May 09, 1999 at 09:27:44:

Would have to agree with you about the groundhogs. My brother and I unloaded on a groundhog with Remington .22's (full tube/mags). It took everything those .22's had to take it out (which, of course, highlights the fact that a little better aim might of helped too). Anyway, I wouldn't think of shooting an opposum with an airgun if it's anything like shooting a groundhog.

The above incident, coupled with a few others, also impressed upon me the need for a clean kill. I am really not into seeing an animal suffer. It's been almost 20yrs since we shot that groundhog, and I still feel bad about it.
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Oh Boy ! Possum hunting IN the house

Msg. 110368  Posted by RBest on May 10, 1999 at 00:15:45:

In Reply to: Wrong Discipline posted by John Mickel on May 09, 1999 at 13:05:09:

Now that's all weather fun ! RB
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Re: Ever wanted to take a picture standing proudly by your prized buck ? ..............with your pellet gun.

Msg. 110367  Posted by Jerry Rhodes on May 10, 1999 at 00:14:29:

In Reply to: Ever wanted to take a picture standing proudly by your prized buck ? ..............with your pellet gun. posted by John N. on May 08, 1999 at 18:29:04:

John,

I don't know what state you live in but in Texas, if you are going to try for one with your air gun, you might as well go out on the highway and spot light one out of season. The consequences are the same. Not pleasant.

Jerry
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Re: Gold trigger

Msg. 110366  Posted by DonC on May 10, 1999 at 00:13:09:

In Reply to: Re: Gold trigger posted by Bill on May 09, 1999 at 23:09:16:

You couldn't be more wrong. Buying from Jim Macarri is going to guarantee satisfaction for as long as you own the gun. Remember: If you want new clean healthy oats for you horse, you pay a fair price. If you want oats that have already been thru the horse, "Well, they're a little cheaper."
Yo,
Don
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Looking for info on Crossman Model SSP250

Msg. 110365  Posted by Phil on May 09, 1999 at 23:55:15:

Like how many made? When Made. This one has a 2X20
SIMMONS scope did the airgun come with the Scope?
It is serial no. 791325850 with about a 9" barrel
any info would be appreciated.
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Re: Fly's at 40yards!!

Msg. 110364  Posted by Joey on May 09, 1999 at 23:52:03:

In Reply to: Re: Fly's at 40yards!! posted by RBest on May 09, 1999 at 23:40:47:


Hey Bill Im going to see you next sunday, do you think your nieghbor can stand outside with a bottle cap on his head!! Ha Ha!!
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Windage at different velocities

Msg. 110363  Posted by RBest on May 09, 1999 at 23:50:53:

In Reply to: Windage in different barrels posted by DonC on May 09, 1999 at 21:28:16:

Don: It could be that the faster a pellet travels, while still being subsonic, a larger pressure wave develops around the pellet. This pressure wave is denser than the surrounding air because it's being compressed by the advancing pellet. This pellet/ pressure wave combination, may be more sensitive to wind drift because it's larger than the pressure wave around the slower moving pellet. I could be wrong. Russ
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Re: Hey Russ peep questions

Msg. 110362  Posted by RBest on May 09, 1999 at 23:44:26:

In Reply to: Hey Russ peep questions posted by Tyler Hathaway on May 09, 1999 at 22:51:02:

Tyler: many airgun dealers sell the Williams peep sights. I think the one you want is the Williams FP-GR. No mounts are needed. They clamp directly to the rail. Cost for the sight is $40 something. Russ
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Re: Fly's at 40yards!!

Msg. 110361  Posted by RBest on May 09, 1999 at 23:40:47:

In Reply to: Re: Fly's at 40yards!! posted by Bill B. on May 09, 1999 at 23:26:43:

Joey: I had a blast last summer nailing flies, wasps and spiders at 25 yards with my TX. I'd stick out some chocolate in the sun to let it melt onto a 2x4, then just wait. The spiders would be found in the wood pile near my target area ( most wolf spiders). It got to the point where I was bench resting and picking the body part I wanted to nail first. heh heh. Lets see-- abdomen? Thorax?--( the heads are hard to see and hit). Steve Parker got into garden snails for a few days. SPLATTT! RB
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Re: Gold trigger

Msg. 110360  Posted by Billy on May 09, 1999 at 23:40:42:

In Reply to: Re: Gold trigger posted by Bill on May 09, 1999 at 23:09:16:

Bill, I'm sure that you will find the Maccari version is improved over the others sold in the US. I know that he provides special seals to the factory for some models. I'd think about after purchase service also. No matter how reliable a Chevy truck is, I'd never pay less for one sans warranty.
Billy
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Re: Windage in different barrels

Msg. 110359  Posted by Bill B. on May 09, 1999 at 23:36:37:

In Reply to: Windage in different barrels posted by DonC on May 09, 1999 at 21:28:16:

I'm sure it's the result of some Zasadny magic incantation. Best that mere mortals not ask any more.

B.
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Re: TX 200 HC

Msg. 110358  Posted by Bill B. on May 09, 1999 at 23:33:54:

In Reply to: Re: TX 200 HC posted by Jules on May 09, 1999 at 22:23:40:

It's basically an English TX Mk II with a shorter barrel.

Got mine in .177 from JM, who also did a FTD tune. Neat gun.

B.
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Any chance of an airgun show in the Atlanta area?

Msg. 110357  Posted by Bill S. on May 09, 1999 at 23:31:04:

Any you guys know of a place where we could have one? Bill S.
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Re: Fly's at 40yards!!

Msg. 110356  Posted by Bill B. on May 09, 1999 at 23:26:43:

In Reply to: Fly's at 40yards!! posted by Joey on May 09, 1999 at 23:06:40:

Joey,

I thought you never shot at anything closer than 100 yds.

B.
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Re: Crosman 150

Msg. 110355  Posted by John Z on May 09, 1999 at 23:24:41:

In Reply to: Crosman 150 posted by Jerry G on May 09, 1999 at 23:17:09:

Can anything be done to dress it up and give it more capabilities?

Do you happen to know anything more about it, velocity and such?

I was under the impression that it might be a MkI, but you think it is probably a 150?

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Oops. - listed @ $52.92 with FSI, not $49.00

Msg. 110354  Posted by jcbii on May 09, 1999 at 23:23:52:

In Reply to: Re: Best air rifle under 500fps? posted by jcbii on May 09, 1999 at 23:21:52:

jcbii
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Re: Best air rifle under 500fps?

Msg. 110353  Posted by jcbii on May 09, 1999 at 23:21:52:

In Reply to: Best air rifle under 500fps? posted by Jeff on May 09, 1999 at 19:30:06:

The Marksman 1798 Laserhawk rifle. 495fps - .177 cal. I have never owned one, but the 1790 Biathalon Trainer (450fps - .177cal, which appears to be ABOUT the same rifle) had a favorable review in Airgun Digest. FSI has one for $49.00. I am thinking about getting one for my kid. It's listed as a "youth" airgun, so I do not know if the stock would be too small. Really just wanted to throw the name out there for consideration.
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Crosman 150

Msg. 110352  Posted by Jerry G on May 09, 1999 at 23:17:09:

In Reply to: Ted William Match .22 Air Pistol posted by John Z on May 09, 1999 at 23:05:21:

Your pistol is a Crosman 150 made for Sears. Any Crosman service dealer should be able to reseal it. Many are listed in Airgun Resources section.
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Re: Best air rifle under 500fps?

Msg. 110351  Posted by Doug Law on May 09, 1999 at 23:15:22:

In Reply to: Best air rifle under 500fps? posted by Jeff on May 09, 1999 at 19:30:06:

Don't forget that lovely Daisy 753-my old one shot far better than I could hold it!Sold it to a good friend so his daughter could shoot it. I love it and may buy another.

The Nevada Air Gun Addict
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Re: Is there a Houston, Tx airgun show......if so when is it.

Msg. 110350  Posted by Doug Law on May 09, 1999 at 23:11:17:

In Reply to: Re: Is there a Houston, Tx airgun show......if so when is it. posted by Ron B on May 09, 1999 at 22:44:25:

Ron-I went to my first airgun show last year at Little Rock and it s like being in heaven! I sure wish I made it this year and I live in northern Nevada, not real close to an air gun show. But I will be at the St. Louis show June 5 Saturday and meeting up with an old airgun email buddy I have never seen in person , CB of the Peoria, Ill. area, 60 miles frrom where I was born and raised, Pontiac, Ill, a small farm town. I know St. Louis is only a one day show but its bound to be better than not going. !!!I sure hope I see ya there. I will be one of the "larger " nuts at the show. Try it youll never regret it.


Airguns rule


The Nevada Airgun Addict
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Re: Gold trigger

Msg. 110349  Posted by Bill on May 09, 1999 at 23:09:16:

In Reply to: Re: Gold trigger posted by Mike Reames on May 09, 1999 at 22:11:02:

The gold trigger appears cheap to me, may appear classy to you. Im just saying i would not pay anymore dollars for a TX just because it has gold trigger, maybe you would. Are you saying that the guns Rada is now selling are old stock since they do not have a gold trigger? I would think you are smarter than that! Appears to me that airgun dealers are masters at B/S, most make a used car salesman look good. That is one reason the AGL has been so successful, they tell it like it is! They don't have to B/S.
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Wanted- Crosman 600

Msg. 110348  Posted by Scubablizz on May 09, 1999 at 23:08:41:

Any ideas where I can find one? I want to build one of Mr. Bulk's rat killing machines. Thanks...
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Fly's at 40yards!!

Msg. 110347  Posted by Joey on May 09, 1999 at 23:06:40:

Hey all you sharp shooters out there.Want to have some fun!!
Try this! set up a brick (at whatever range you fell you you can hit a comman house fly,)use a light colored one, so you can see the contrast between the fly (or bee) and the brick.Use some blood from a steak,or chichen.And put it on the brick.Set yourself up and see them come.I am using a CR94 with a 40 power scope,shooting 10.5 grain premiers at 850fps. I hit 8 out of 10 on average . Its something i did one time as a kid with my 760 at 10 yards.I tried it today at 40 yards and had some fun. You have to shoot quick sometimes because they land and take off fast.If they sit to long they get vaperized.Just thought Id share this little game with fellow sharpe shooters!!
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Ted William Match .22 Air Pistol

Msg. 110346  Posted by John Z on May 09, 1999 at 23:05:21:

Now I am wondering, am hoping to get some work done on this older pistol.
Can anyone tell me anything about it? It is a model 126.1909.

What can be done to recondition, reblue, and maybe give it more life?

Thanks for your help

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Re: Relationships

Msg. 110345  Posted by chasm on May 09, 1999 at 23:04:41:

In Reply to: Re: Relationships posted by Jeff Guinan on May 09, 1999 at 22:44:41:

Jeff,

Length isn't everything

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Re: Relationships

Msg. 110344  Posted by chasm on May 09, 1999 at 23:04:40:

In Reply to: Re: Relationships posted by Jeff Guinan on May 09, 1999 at 22:44:41:

Jeff,

Length isn't everything

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Re: Relationships

Msg. 110343  Posted by chasm on May 09, 1999 at 23:04:39:

In Reply to: Re: Relationships posted by Jeff Guinan on May 09, 1999 at 22:44:41:

Jeff,

Length isn't everything

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Re: .25 cal question rephrased " WHERE CAN ONE BUY .25 PELLETS IN ONTARIO ??? "

Msg. 110342  Posted by Pel-It on May 09, 1999 at 22:57:12:

In Reply to: Re: .25 cal question rephrased " WHERE CAN ONE BUY .25 PELLETS IN ONTARIO ??? " posted by Jeff on May 09, 1999 at 15:44:31:

Groovy
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Re: Now that's funny! nt

Msg. 110341  Posted by Haha on May 09, 1999 at 22:54:58:

In Reply to: Re: Relationships posted by Jeff Guinan on May 09, 1999 at 22:44:41:

nt
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Re: Relationships

Msg. 110340  Posted by Ron B on May 09, 1999 at 22:52:19:

In Reply to: Re: Relationships posted by Jeff Guinan on May 09, 1999 at 22:44:41:

Thanks Jeff,

I feel better now.

Ron.
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Hey Russ peep questions

Msg. 110339  Posted by Tyler Hathaway on May 09, 1999 at 22:51:02:

In Reply to: Re: Supersport hunting posted by RBest on May 09, 1999 at 22:32:33:

Hey Russ Were would i be able to buy a peep sight for it and would i have to use any pericular type of mount?
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Re: Relationships

Msg. 110338  Posted by Jeff Guinan on May 09, 1999 at 22:44:41:

In Reply to: Relationships posted by chasm on May 09, 1999 at 22:36:36:

My question is, have any of y'all had an airgun longer?
The 140 is about 35 inches, as I recall. I have a few that are over 40 inches.
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Re: Is there a Houston, Tx airgun show......if so when is it.

Msg. 110337  Posted by Ron B on May 09, 1999 at 22:44:25:

In Reply to: Is there a Houston, Tx airgun show......if so when is it. posted by sean on May 09, 1999 at 21:48:44:

Sean,

I doubt you will get a 'better' deal at a show. From my observations of the LR show the best thing was being able to see all the various toys at one time. One could shoot a prospective gun and try just about anything they wanted.

Also, there were hundreds of used rifles. The purchase any of thing without hands on evaluation is a 'pig in a poke'. There, you could take the gun, shoot it over a crony and with permission even group the thing.

You could buy many diffent types and styles of pellets, look through dozens of scopes and see all the variations on a theme one usually imagines.

You will not travel a day, spend a night at a motel, buy one common gun, drive home and save money. You probably will think the money and time was well spent.

Ron


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Re: Relationships

Msg. 110336  Posted by RBest on May 09, 1999 at 22:43:43:

In Reply to: Relationships posted by chasm on May 09, 1999 at 22:36:36:

Chasm: my 140 is 40 years old- got it at age 10. My dad's 120 was purchased new in 1952( I think) and it still functions- although I think it's running a tad weak these days. My Sheridan Blue Streak is 28 years old, never been serviced, and still kicks butt! Russ
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Relationships

Msg. 110335  Posted by chasm on May 09, 1999 at 22:36:36:

On a kind of a quiet night, I offer up the following food for thought. Charles Quatney recently let us in on his new relationship with Miss Marakova. Sounded to me like it was pretty passionate. I, too, have a very passionate relationship that I want to confess to. I bought a Crosman 140 in 1954 that I have not given proper attention to. This air rifle has been my constant and loyal companion for all these years with almost no attention. Today, based on advice that I received a LR, I paid some attention to the 140 for the first time in decades. She responded like the loyal companion she's always been. My question is, have any of y'all had an airgun longer?

chasm
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Re: Supersport hunting

Msg. 110334  Posted by RBest on May 09, 1999 at 22:32:33:

In Reply to: Supersport hunting posted by Tyler Hathaway on May 09, 1999 at 22:27:01:

Tyler: yes- it can be done if you are a good enough shot ( I assume you are)and the scope is properly set up. My .22 SS has taken out squirrels with neck and heart shots at 30 yards, and Jerry Rhodes has dropped jackrabbits beyond 50 yards, if I recall correctly, with his. Both Jerry and I have Williams peep sights on ours. Russ
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Western Mass FT - Next Sunday - 5/16

Msg. 110333  Posted by Mark Lisowski on May 09, 1999 at 22:30:56:

Westfield Sportsman Club will be hosting is 1st FT competition in quite a few years, next Sunday 5/16. This will be a SPRING GUN only match for this first match only. All other matches will be shoot what you bring. It will be a 60 shot match. Registration will be from 8:00 till 9:30 am. Sight-in range opens at 8:00 am. Match starts at 10:00. 20 ft/lbs max limit. If you know you're planning to attend, either please respond here or E-Mail me so I can have an approx count of shooters. More info, directions and remaining schedule of matches can be found at the web site listed below.

Come out and give FT a try or just see what it's all about. Hope to see you there.

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Re: TX 200 Warranty

Msg. 110332  Posted by Kurt on May 09, 1999 at 22:30:06:

In Reply to: TX 200 Warranty posted by Bill on May 09, 1999 at 20:47:54:

I bought my TX200MK5 from J.M. and I couldn't be happier, as for the gold trigger it set's this gun apart from my other's. I have NO regret's about buying the wonderful gun. :-)
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oops sorry (nt)

Msg. 110331  Posted by Tyler Hathaway on May 09, 1999 at 22:28:16:

In Reply to: Supersport hunting posted by Tyler Hathaway on May 09, 1999 at 22:27:01:

nt
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Supersport hunting

Msg. 110330  Posted by Tyler Hathaway on May 09, 1999 at 22:27:01:

Could i kill a crow with a neck or head shot from 30 yards with my 22. cal supersport with 13.4 grain pellets and if the SS would not be able to do the job would a fully modified C9 do the trick. Thank You for taking the time in reading this message and i hope you reply!

-Tyler Hathaway
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Re: TX 200 HC

Msg. 110328  Posted by Jules on May 09, 1999 at 22:23:40:

In Reply to: TX 200 HC posted by ToddN on May 09, 1999 at 22:10:09:

Yes, it's a carbine version, and yes, based on my own experience, I would have to say, if anything, it's more accurate (shorter barrel; less time in the barrel if you happen to flinch after pulling the trigger? Gee, that could start a string of, "Yes, buts.")

The only thing caveat is I think you can only get the HC in .22 (I happened to have gotten one in .177 since that's the only way Jim Maccari could get me a left handed walnut version.) I also took the advice of Tom Gaylord to get the gun tuned by Jim before ever taking possession, and I have no regrets missing that extra step of appreciating Jim's magic. I'm shooting 1 3/4" spinners off hand at 50 yards; the gun would make a lot of converts of PCP aficianados. It spits CP lights at 900, and makes quite an impact on 22LR spinners even at 50 yards.

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Re: What are you talking about?!!! CT.

Msg. 110327  Posted by Jeff on May 09, 1999 at 22:19:01:

In Reply to: Re: What are you talking about?!!! CT. posted by RBest on May 09, 1999 at 14:37:01:

This is in Ontario, Canada. I don't know maybe it is just store policy around here. I did read a message board in the store stating they had to see photo id and register any ammo leaving the store.
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Re: Gold trigger

Msg. 110326  Posted by Mike Reames on May 09, 1999 at 22:11:02:

In Reply to: Re: TX 200 Warranty posted by Bill on May 09, 1999 at 21:37:26:

I think the gold trigger denotes a Mark V.It's like changing model years. I'd think there are older tx's still available somewhere, suggest you write Jim M, and ask him if he knows where some older models are located..... Mike
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Re: Best air rifle under 500fps?

Msg. 110325  Posted by Jeff on May 09, 1999 at 22:10:19:

In Reply to: Re: Best air rifle under 500fps? posted by W. Edwards on May 09, 1999 at 19:59:22:

It's weird that you guys mention the Crosman 2289 because my friend who is selling his has left it here at my house to take a look at.
I'm not crazy about the sites but it's a neat little gun. I'm pretty well postive I'll be buying this gun from him.
Thanks guys
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TX 200 HC

Msg. 110324  Posted by ToddN on May 09, 1999 at 22:10:09:

Is this simply a carbine version of the MK's? Is it
accurate as the MK's?
Thanks
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" Goo Gone " the url

Msg. 110323  Posted by vZc on May 09, 1999 at 22:08:54:

In Reply to: Try QTips with " Goo Gone " too! posted by RBest on May 08, 1999 at 00:26:45:

.

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not to mention two hundred rounds of CO2 fouling in the bore

Msg. 110322  Posted by Ben Dover on May 09, 1999 at 22:05:07:

In Reply to: Re: Can you tell if CO2 Pistol has been used?? posted by Mom T on May 09, 1999 at 19:51:41:

no text.
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Re: Can you tell if CO2 Pistol has been used??

Msg. 110321  Posted by Jeff on May 09, 1999 at 21:59:51:

In Reply to: Re: Can you tell if CO2 Pistol has been used?? posted by Anthony Storey on May 09, 1999 at 20:25:42:

Anthony: At first I bought the RWS C-225, it was a dud, a screw fell out, then the slide jammed and would only open if forced.
My friend said he would buy it, for less than I paid for it of course. SO, when it broke I took it back and got the Beretta. My friend said "sure I'll buy it!" So I let him shoot it for a little while. Now he says "no, it's too much money"
So now I'm screwed for a gun I don't like.
I'd try to sell it but air guns aren't a big thing around here and no one is going to pay $320 for a air pistol (Can. price) except me.
So I figure if I could get a store credit then things would be great, I could get a new rifle and so on.
So now I'm tempted to tell them it wasn't used and take it back. Or I could just get over it and keep from what I've been told to be one of the best CO2 pistols on the world.

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Re: Balance

Msg. 110320  Posted by Paul Watts on May 09, 1999 at 21:54:04:

In Reply to: Balance posted by Mikael on May 09, 1999 at 20:29:10:

I've got a spring that shoots horrible with a light piston but smooth with a heavy one. The only change is a spring that "looks" a lot like a factory spring. I'll let Russ try it out and post back. Not all is written in stone. Just about the time you think you've nailed down a rule something comes up to kink the theory. This one also shoots at higher velocity with the lighter top hat. Hence, taking out theory that a lightening a piston never increases power. There are things that are generally true in tuning springers but never always true.

Paul Watts

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Is there a Houston, Tx airgun show......if so when is it.

Msg. 110319  Posted by sean on May 09, 1999 at 21:48:44:

Can you get better deals at shows...as opposed to off the inte.null...
just got to wondering when i saw the pictures for lil rock...thanks
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Re: Hell--- I' You are easy Anthony,when we going to do some trading?NT

Msg. 110318  Posted by Rick O on May 09, 1999 at 21:46:05:

In Reply to: Re: Hell--- I' You are easy Anthony,when we going to do some trading?NT posted by Anthony Storey on May 09, 1999 at 21:23:09:

Anthony
Not sure , maybe, have to see how I feel. Going to try to make the one on the 23rd for sure. Probably be more interesting airguns there then and more people I want to see . Rick
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CP Heavies Are Great in My TX200!

Msg. 110317  Posted by MartinL on May 09, 1999 at 21:42:00:

I have to express that the 10.5 CP pellets are wonderful in my JM tuned MK4. I am hitting a 1" swinger in gusting southern breezes shooting east to west and consistently connecting. I do shoot off of a pillow BTW. The 7.9 pellets required much more windage and was requiring different offsets with changing conditions. The heavies require just a slight bit of center crosshair shift to the left @55yrds, and goes to center with a dead calm change. Man o man, I shoot and lay the rifle down and praise it! You should not worry about FPS, at least try the heavies for a while..ml
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Re: When is the next match at Damascus ?

Msg. 110316  Posted by on May 09, 1999 at 21:41:53:

In Reply to: When is the next match at Damascus ? posted by Gary on May 09, 1999 at 21:01:15:

Go to the home page of AGL and then look under DIFTA ...

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Re: Scope gasket shims = 3M vinyl electrical tape thickness: (7, 8.5, 10 ) x mils NOT!

Msg. 110314  Posted by DonC on May 09, 1999 at 21:39:05:

In Reply to: Re: Scope gasket shims = 3M vinyl electrical tape thickness: (7, 8.5, 10 ) x mils NOT! posted by Sligh on May 09, 1999 at 17:47:01:

Burris offers the signature Series insert rings with a stop pin now. I ordered them from natchez. I have it on a Tx and no problems as reported by Bill. I have 5 sets now. 4 are on PCP. I really like them. Read their web page and believe what ya read.
Don
I only wish they fit my CR94 flat top receiver.
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Re: a few pictures from Little Rock '99

Msg. 110313  Posted by Luis Leon on May 09, 1999 at 21:38:37:

In Reply to: a few pictures from Little Rock '99 posted by PAL on May 09, 1999 at 12:33:09:

Great page, it was nice to see what some of the people that post here look like... Faces to go with the names... Great
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Re: TX 200 Warranty

Msg. 110312  Posted by Bill on May 09, 1999 at 21:37:26:

In Reply to: Re: TX 200 Warranty posted by RBest on May 09, 1999 at 20:51:28:

I only know of one minor problem with a TX. I think i will buy mine from the dealer with the best price! I don't see where warranty even comes into play with these guns, I will be happy to see more dealers for these guns. I for one will not pay 2 cents extra for a gold trigger!
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NO, WAIT...., just think of Beanie Babies as Y2K soup bags....8)..nt

Msg. 110311  Posted by Steve B. on May 09, 1999 at 21:32:14:

In Reply to: I WANNA KILL BEANIE BABIES! posted by Fearon Steele on May 09, 1999 at 16:28:09:

nt
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Windage in different barrels

Msg. 110310  Posted by DonC on May 09, 1999 at 21:28:16:

This Saturday I was shooting with a pal, I was shooting Anshutz ZM2002, he was shooting a CR94. He held off 1 inch for wind, I held off nothing. I was shooting CP 10.5 at 875, he was shooting same pellet same lube at 920fps. Why did we have a difference in windage holdover. Is it because the Anshutz pellet has less wobble from it's riflings and therefore is "catching" less wind effect? What do ya think?
Yo,
Don
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Re: Test, rather than guess?

Msg. 110309  Posted by Mikael on May 09, 1999 at 21:26:21:

In Reply to: Re: Test, rather than guess? posted by RBest on May 09, 1999 at 21:00:15:

I started this thoughts with a very advanced test rig that used a gasspring that was very long and could be very easely adjusted to simulate a conventional spring in the uncocked/cocked force ratio. Several sear engagements in the piston to try different stroke lengths, a couple innercylinders "chambers" to try different piston diameters. But i realised it was a little to advanced. Another thing was a sliding rig that i could strap down any rifle in to and both use for trying the accuarcy in and also write down a curve for the recoil behavior in different guns.
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Re: Best air rifle under 500fps?...IZH61 of course.

Msg. 110308  Posted by Steve B. on May 09, 1999 at 21:24:38:

In Reply to: Best air rifle under 500fps? posted by Jeff on May 09, 1999 at 19:30:06:

Jeff: The IZH61 fits your bill. 5 shot repeater, reasonably accurate (mine 1/2" @ 10 meters, with Crosman Copperhead Domes or Pointed, so far) cost: $69-77 US (depends on what you want) from Golden Toller

HTH - Steve B.
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Re: Hell--- I' You are easy Anthony,when we going to do some trading?NT

Msg. 110307  Posted by Anthony Storey on May 09, 1999 at 21:23:09:

In Reply to: Re: Hell--- I' You are easy Anthony,when we going to do some trading?NT posted by Rick O on May 09, 1999 at 20:41:09:

We have a FT match saturday at 12 noon you gonna be able to make it?
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Re: Test, rather than guess?

Msg. 110306  Posted by Mikael on May 09, 1999 at 21:07:00:

In Reply to: Re: Test, rather than guess? posted by RBest on May 09, 1999 at 21:00:15:

Your'e welcome. Another development is to have a spinning paper disc in front of the barrel and you will also see when the pellet leaves the gun in the firing cycle. It might reveal why the gun shots some pellets accurate and hates other. I have noticed that my supersport shots the most differnt pellets i tried accurate but with some it becomes extremly holdsensitive. I started to think it's all about timing.
Mikael
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Life begins.........

Msg. 110305  Posted by Ron B on May 09, 1999 at 21:04:45:

In Reply to: Test, rather than guess? posted by Ron B on May 09, 1999 at 20:45:43:

I think there has been a monster created. I shall feed the monster via e-mail.

Ron
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When is the next match at Damascus ?

Msg. 110304  Posted by Gary on May 09, 1999 at 21:01:15:

When's the next airgun match at Damascus ?
Thanks, Gary

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Re: Test, rather than guess?

Msg. 110303  Posted by Mikael on May 09, 1999 at 21:00:47:

In Reply to: Re: Test, rather than guess? posted by RBest on May 09, 1999 at 20:57:21:

If you could sample the results fast enough you will also se piston bounce and if the piston strikes to hard in the end of the chamber.
Mikael
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Re: Test, rather than guess?

Msg. 110302  Posted by RBest on May 09, 1999 at 21:00:15:

In Reply to: Re: Test, rather than guess? posted by Mikael on May 09, 1999 at 20:54:13:

Mikael: You just gave me an Idea!( actually, a slightly refined version of YOUR idea). Thanks, Russ
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Re: Test, rather than guess?

Msg. 110300  Posted by RBest on May 09, 1999 at 20:57:21:

In Reply to: Test, rather than guess? posted by Ron B on May 09, 1999 at 20:45:43:

Ron: tell me more. I may be able to dig up an A/D converter from one of my electronics nut buddies. Even without it, I've shot MANY springers and trust myself to subjectively spot differences in recoil. We may have to measure acceleration in two directions. Thanks, Russ
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Re: Test, rather than guess?

Msg. 110299  Posted by Mikael on May 09, 1999 at 20:54:13:

In Reply to: Test, rather than guess? posted by Ron B on May 09, 1999 at 20:45:43:

I was thinking about a cheap rifle that could be modified to take alot of different springs and a lightweight piston that i add extra weight on. Put it on a sliding rail with a pen attached to it and have a rotating cylinder that will give me a recoil curve but i doesn't compare to reality that either. I have access to all the machinery i need to make it but not the time.
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Re: TX 200 Warranty

Msg. 110298  Posted by RBest on May 09, 1999 at 20:51:28:

In Reply to: TX 200 Warranty posted by Bill on May 09, 1999 at 20:47:54:

Bill: mine's been great- but I seem to recall ONE some months ago ( I think the owner was in FL.)and Jim Maccari took care of him. Complaints really are rare with this gun. Regards, Russ
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TX 200 Warranty

Msg. 110297  Posted by Bill on May 09, 1999 at 20:47:54:

Has anyone ever had to send a TX back for warranty work?
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Test, rather than guess?

Msg. 110296  Posted by Ron B on May 09, 1999 at 20:45:43:

In Reply to: Re: piston weight and spring force, a theory. posted by RBest on May 09, 1999 at 19:08:24:

Russ,

In a previous life, I worked with accelerometers and A/D conversion so movements and time could be measured and the results quantified. I believe a complete single axis rig could be built for less than $200 and weight on the gun would be less than one ounce.

Ron B
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Re: Read about it here

Msg. 110295  Posted by Streak Freak on May 09, 1999 at 20:44:30:

In Reply to: Read about it here posted by ERIC on May 09, 1999 at 17:07:36:

ERIC,

The F described by Andrew Leung is a Sheridan, not a Benjamin. They are about 60 years apart. The former is C02 powered while the latter is a pneumatic of the "tire pump" variety.

Streak

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Re: Question for DAS regarding CB9

Msg. 110294  Posted by DAS on May 09, 1999 at 20:42:24:

In Reply to: Question for DAS regarding CB9 posted by TM on May 09, 1999 at 20:30:14:

TM,

To be honest with you, I wouldn't be able to tell without seeing the rifle. The info. (verbal) that I got from Benjamin-Sheridan was that the trigger was improved after 2/99, and from what you are saying, yours was manufactured in 2/99. I have not seen anything in writing, but a service bulletin will be issued to all service stations with the details.

You might want to try calling Benjamin-Sheridan @ (800) 724-7486 and give them the complete serial # and see what they have to say.

Dave

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15 yards? You've got to learn to lie. I'm sure it was 65, right?

Msg. 110293  Posted by E Fudd on May 09, 1999 at 20:41:38:

In Reply to: Texas Crows posted by chasm on May 09, 1999 at 20:29:40:

At least selectively report things or qualify them. "I had just started to bring the gun to my shoulder when he flew off."
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CopperHead 7.9 gr DOMED pellets ( Silver label) are as accurate as CP 7.9s ...

Msg. 110292  Posted by vZc on May 09, 1999 at 20:41:37:

... in my RWS 48 .177 @ 1050 fps: hitting 12 oz cans @ 20, 35 & 41 meters in approx. same location (3 shots in each range).

More significant numbers later.

Will attempt to shoot thru chronograph to targets
for concurrent group & velocity measurements.
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Re: Hell--- I' You are easy Anthony,when we going to do some trading?NT

Msg. 110291  Posted by Rick O on May 09, 1999 at 20:41:09:

In Reply to: Re: Hell--- I'm game. ....Damn Russ I thought I was easy!!!! n/t posted by Anthony Storey on May 09, 1999 at 20:29:18:


nt
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Todays score: Connecticut 1 , Texas ZERO !

Msg. 110289  Posted by RBest on May 09, 1999 at 20:39:30:

In Reply to: Texas Crows posted by chasm on May 09, 1999 at 20:29:40:

Chasm: I was out in the back woods trying out some different pellets in my FWB-124( JM inside), when a crow landed less than 20 yards away in a tree. I raised the old German gun with simple 4x32 scope and let'er rip. Thwack- thud. All done. Kitty rushed in to claim his prize too! Not many crows around today, but a whole mess o' jays. Regards, Russ
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Re: piston weight and spring force, a theory.

Msg. 110288  Posted by Mikael on May 09, 1999 at 20:35:12:

In Reply to: Re: piston weight and spring force, a theory. posted by RBest on May 09, 1999 at 19:08:24:

I think you are right about pellet sensitivity. It�s just a theory that i might test sometime in the future when i get more time to spend on such a project.
Mikael
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Re: Best air rifle under 500fps?

Msg. 110287  Posted by Ron B on May 09, 1999 at 20:33:42:

In Reply to: Best air rifle under 500fps? posted by Jeff on May 09, 1999 at 19:30:06:

Jeff,

The old Crosman 1100 Co2 shotgun will put a .375RB out at 400 fps, Used ones will bring $100~200US.

The 2289 backpacker or the 2250 Co2 in .22, will meet your specifications. The 2250 and 2289 have been known to pick up velocity when they are reassembled for 'cleaning' and tune up.

HTH,
Ron
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No blasting intended, Martin...

Msg. 110286  Posted by DAS on May 09, 1999 at 20:33:10:

In Reply to: Ask simple questions and get blasted. You guys a are predictable, I can count on that..(nt) posted by MartinL on May 09, 1999 at 18:59:58:

Look at it this way: you are doing business with a dealer, not the AGLF. If you need a problem rectified, contact the dealer that sold you that specific product. Posting a complaint on the AGLF does nothing more than send out a negative message about yourself.

I assure that specialty dealers, like Mac-1, will bend over backwards to make things right. But you have to willing to give them a reasonable chance before you flog them publicly.

Dave

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Question for DAS regarding CB9

Msg. 110285  Posted by TM on May 09, 1999 at 20:30:14:

DAS,
You said the new CB9 has a better trigger. I just got one. Where is the date code that tells if the gun was produced after 2/99.
The first three digits of my serial number are 299, would this be the date code and if so would my gun have the nicer trigger.
I polished all the mechanism contact points, replaced the trigger return spring and lightened the sear spring and now the trigger is a nice three pound pull.
I was just wondering if mine was one of the older ones because then I could get the parts you suggested and improve the trigger even further.
Thanks for your help.
Good shooting.

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Texas Crows

Msg. 110284  Posted by chasm on May 09, 1999 at 20:29:40:

Fellow Airgunners,

I volunteered yesterday to report in on the results of a crow hunt here in Texas. I was certain that I would be able to report to you today that crows in Texas are much bigger than any Russ B. might have encountered in the East. I even intimated that his measuring method for wingspan might be favorable to the eastern United States ala. western count vs. eastern count. I now have to confess that I did not bag even one Texas crow that I could measure. This is not because I did not have the opportunity. On the contrary many responded to the tape " Crow Fighting Owl", I just didn't shoot straight enough I guess. One even showed up while I was sighting in my PE at 15 yds and I missed. Please give me another chance

chasm
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Re: Hell--- I'm game. ....Damn Russ I thought I was easy!!!! n/t

Msg. 110283  Posted by Anthony Storey on May 09, 1999 at 20:29:18:

In Reply to: Hell--- I'm game. posted by RBest on May 09, 1999 at 19:50:11:

nt
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Balance

Msg. 110282  Posted by Mikael on May 09, 1999 at 20:29:10:

In Reply to: How about a " FREE " test, Russ? posted by Paul Watts on May 09, 1999 at 19:47:08:

I know the fact that a good balance betwen piston weight, spring force, pellet weight ,piston dia and so on gives an rifle that is smoth to shot even with heavy piston. Even with a gas spring that i described everything needs to be balanced, to light piston and it will bounce and cause recoil and to heavy it will slam the wall of the compression chamber and also alot of recoil. I have thought about making a test rig to experiment with those things but it will probably spend the money on a god gun instead.
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Re: Can you tell if CO2 Pistol has been used??

Msg. 110281  Posted by Anthony Storey on May 09, 1999 at 20:25:42:

In Reply to: Can you tell if CO2 Pistol has been used?? posted by Jeff on May 09, 1999 at 19:27:22:

I am just wondering why you want to take it back? Is it not working properly?Or doesn't do what you thought it would?Will they try to sell the gun as new since they don't take used guns back?So someone else gets your used gun.Its a tough one to call,but I feel like you should keep it if you shot it and just don't like it.If its malfunctioning tell them.Just an opinion from a dealers standpoint.
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Re: Benjamin Model F

Msg. 110280  Posted by Bill on May 09, 1999 at 20:20:33:

In Reply to: Benjamin Model F posted by Warren on May 09, 1999 at 15:21:50:

The Model F was one of the Benjamin Air Rifle Company's first airguns. It was manufactured from about 1913-1930 (dates not exact). Its value depends on condition. Probably worth $75-$100. E-Mail me if you'd like more info.
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Re: entry level air pistol

Msg. 110279  Posted by RBest on May 09, 1999 at 20:17:11:

In Reply to: entry level air pistol posted by Mickey Z. on May 09, 1999 at 20:12:49:

MZ: what will you use it for? The Gamo Compact is a good target pistol, but only produces 400 fps. It's an ideal paper puncher. Then again, so is Beemans P-3. Both are single pump pneumatics and are pretty accurate. I like the grips and balance of the Compact better. Regards, Russ
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entry level air pistol

Msg. 110278  Posted by Mickey Z. on May 09, 1999 at 20:12:49:

I am looking for an entry air pistol under $200. What would you buy and where?
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Re: Scope gasket shims = 3M vinyl electrical tape thickness: (7, 8.5, 10 ) x mils NOT!

Msg. 110276  Posted by RBest on May 09, 1999 at 19:59:35:

In Reply to: Re: Scope gasket shims = 3M vinyl electrical tape thickness: (7, 8.5, 10 ) x mils NOT! posted by Sligh on May 09, 1999 at 17:47:01:

HS: good thought, and easy to do too. Russ
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Re: Best air rifle under 500fps?

Msg. 110275  Posted by W. Edwards on May 09, 1999 at 19:59:22:

In Reply to: Best air rifle under 500fps? posted by Jeff on May 09, 1999 at 19:30:06:

My suggestion is to find out what is available at your
local stores. I have seen some interesting air rifles but
once you tack on duty, exchange rates etc. it can
seem pretty pricey.

If you can visit some small towns in your area you
might find some good value in their hardware/sports stores.
They often have stock that is interesting.
For the purposes you indicate I think the Crosman
2289 might be a good choice.
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Re: Scope gasket shims = 3M vinyl electrical tape thickness: (7, 8.5, 10 ) x mils NOT!

Msg. 110274  Posted by RBest on May 09, 1999 at 19:57:26:

In Reply to: Re: Scope gasket shims = 3M vinyl electrical tape thickness: (7, 8.5, 10 ) x mils NOT! posted by Wade on May 09, 1999 at 17:57:18:

Wade: believe it or not, I DID do that with one gun about 15 months ago. Worked too! Russ
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Re: Can you tell if CO2 Pistol has been used??

Msg. 110273  Posted by Mom T on May 09, 1999 at 19:51:41:

In Reply to: Can you tell if CO2 Pistol has been used?? posted by Jeff on May 09, 1999 at 19:27:22:

They may be able to look down the barrel and see if it has lead in it. This may be OK if the factory test fires the pistols before shipping because then even a new gun will have a little lead in the barrel.
The other thing to check is the rubber seal that seals the CO2 cylinder. Sometimes these will accumulate silver particles from the CO2 Cylinders.
Other than that, just make sure the gun is clean and in good condition. Many clearks at big sporting good stores neither care enough nor know what to look for to tell if the gun had been fired. If you got it from a smaller gun store the clerk may inspect it a little more carefully.
Good Luck.
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Hell--- I'm game.

Msg. 110272  Posted by RBest on May 09, 1999 at 19:50:11:

In Reply to: How about a " FREE " test, Russ? posted by Paul Watts on May 09, 1999 at 19:47:08:

should be fun too! Not to mention educational. Thanks, Russ
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How about a " FREE " test, Russ?

Msg. 110271  Posted by Paul Watts on May 09, 1999 at 19:47:08:

In Reply to: Re: piston weight and spring force, a theory. posted by RBest on May 09, 1999 at 19:08:24:

I send you a spring kit for your R9. With both light and heavy top hat and you try both, FREE of charge. You tell me which is lighter recoiling and why. The more you try and pin a theory on a few parameters without considering all, things fall apart. Not bashing at all, I think it would be nice to see someone else confirm what I've been saying, no strings attached and unbiased.

What say?

Paul Watts

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Re: SSP250 notches first rat today

Msg. 110270  Posted by PAL on May 09, 1999 at 19:41:41:

In Reply to: Re: SSP250 notches first rat today posted by Jeff on May 09, 1999 at 10:48:57:

It was built by Mac-1. It has a barrel from a Crosman 1400 and a worked on trigger. Dearfield?4x32 scope.

I don't have a chrony(yet!) or a bench rest setup (yet!), but I plink and shoot pests with it mostly at a little over 10 yards and it does good.

My girl friend can even shoot good with it :-)

Paul

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Re: Best air rifle under 500fps?

Msg. 110269  Posted by ERIC on May 09, 1999 at 19:40:34:

In Reply to: Best air rifle under 500fps? posted by Jeff on May 09, 1999 at 19:30:06:

Um... not too sure, but I'd definitly be in .22. A gun under 500 fps would probably have to be a pistol.You might want to look at the benjamin sheradin pistols. Pretty good power and okay accuracy but i really don't like the triggers. Or maybe you could get a match rifle, if you can spare the money. Anyways , good luck
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Re: Scope Mount for TX 200/Trophy 6X18 Combo

Msg. 110268  Posted by AHH on May 09, 1999 at 19:38:27:

In Reply to: Re: Scope Mount for TX 200/Trophy 6X18 Combo posted by JMartin on May 09, 1999 at 18:49:30:

Glad to have someone else starting out as I am!!

I found all the mounts I mentioned in my post as well as the Crosman 7.9 Premier pellets at http://www.straighshooters.com. Seems like both are at a good price.
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Re: How do you change the spring in a RWS 48?

Msg. 110267  Posted by ERIC on May 09, 1999 at 19:31:25:

In Reply to: How do you change the spring in a RWS 48? posted by Jack on May 09, 1999 at 17:39:20:

Yes, be real careful. When I was about 10, I took apart a spring bb gun and the spring flew out and left a sizable dent in the wall. Scared me to death. Now I leave this kind of stuff to the experts.
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Best air rifle under 500fps?

Msg. 110266  Posted by Jeff on May 09, 1999 at 19:30:06:

I live in Canada so it's hard for me to get something that shoots over 500fps.
Does anyone have a suggestion for a great rifle under this velocity that could be used for just plinking and shooting the odd bird now and then?
Thanks
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Can you tell if CO2 Pistol has been used??

Msg. 110265  Posted by Jeff on May 09, 1999 at 19:27:22:

I want to take back my new Umarex Beretta Pistol.
The store says that I can take it back within 10 days for a store credit IF it hasn't been used.
I've used it.
How could they tell if I used it or not? I've used about 200 pellets through it.

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Re: Why keeping it private?

Msg. 110264  Posted by Billy on May 09, 1999 at 19:23:49:

In Reply to: Why keeping it private? posted by Tracker on May 09, 1999 at 18:13:15:

Tracker, most people on this forum cannot repair this fellows gun, no matter how close he holds it to the computer screen. It should go back to Mac1. Knowing Tim and his dedication to quality, safety common sense and honesty to a fault, he will be glad to take care of the problem. There I go, talking about common sense again, (sigh). Voicing a complaint without speaking to Mac1 first is unfair to them. In my business, I don't want ALL the business, just the good business. There comes a time when someones actions inspire you tell them to pound sand. Maybe that should be Tim's policy also. Billy
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Re: Why keeping it private?

Msg. 110263  Posted by ERIC on May 09, 1999 at 19:18:50:

In Reply to: Why keeping it private? posted by Tracker on May 09, 1999 at 18:13:15:

I got a steriod benjamin not so long ago and yes, there are some minor flaws, but none were very serious. I doubt there are LOTS of bad streaks, but no doubt there are some. With every flaw I detected, tim has offered to fix them, free of charge. If you do have problems, call him and I'm sure he'll be more than happy to help.
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Re: piston weight and spring force, a theory.

Msg. 110262  Posted by RBest on May 09, 1999 at 19:08:24:

In Reply to: piston weight and spring force, a theory. posted by Mikael on May 09, 1999 at 18:58:19:

Mikael: good point. With a true spring, the heavyweight piston provides what Paul Watts has called " the sledgehammer effect".This tends to make the piston LESS likely to 'bounce' with a heavy pellet. The gas ram may have a lighter piston for a quick lock time, but I wonder if the piston will be more 'Reactive' to pellet weight because of it? Russ
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Daisy Mod. 107 in box-Worth anything?

Msg. 110261  Posted by Leo on May 09, 1999 at 19:07:57:

I don't know 'squat' about BB guns, but recently acquired a Daisy Mod 107 in the box. It's been used but not much. I would like to know if it's collectable and it's approx value. I can send pics if anyone's interested. Thanks in advance for any info you can provide.
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Sportsmatch makes most of Beemans mounts

Msg. 110260  Posted by RBest on May 09, 1999 at 19:02:45:

In Reply to: Re: Scope Mount for TX 200/Trophy 6X18 Combo posted by JMartin on May 09, 1999 at 18:49:30:

If you can't find them in Cabela's, try Bob Winer at Pasa, Ltd. I THINK Bob's e-mail is: pasaltd@null.null--- but won't swear to it.
Beeman has had mounts made by many makers over the years, ranging from Hakko to Sportsmatch. Regards, Russ
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Re: Scope Mount for TX 200/Trophy 6X18 Combo

Msg. 110259  Posted by John M on May 09, 1999 at 19:01:09:

In Reply to: Re: Scope Mount for TX 200/Trophy 6X18 Combo posted by RBest on May 09, 1999 at 17:41:40:

My 5040 mount came directly from Beemans at $50.00. You can probably do better. The best deal I have found for CP's 7.9's in case size(four boxes of 1250 each for a total of 5000- I shoot a lot)was $55.04, including shipping and California sales tax, was from Air Ventures in Bellflower California, Tel 562-867-6355.

John M
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Ask simple questions and get blasted. You guys a are predictable, I can count on that..(nt)

Msg. 110258  Posted by MartinL on May 09, 1999 at 18:59:58:

In Reply to: Re: 392 Steroid Problems, Won't Hold a Pump amp; Now Can't Open Bolt posted by DAS on May 09, 1999 at 14:56:35:


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piston weight and spring force, a theory.

Msg. 110256  Posted by Mikael on May 09, 1999 at 18:58:19:

If i have a airgun thats have a heavie weight piston and a spring force at 300N when uncocked and 900N cocked, the stroke is 85mm. The energy in the stroke will be 51 joule. The heavie piston will accumulate energy and slow the piston speed down to prevent piston bounce at the end of the stroke. Lets say i put in a gasspring wich will give me 550N uncocked and 650N cocked, the energy in the stroke will be the same as before. But could i use a lighter piston because i have more spring force in the end of the stroke to prevent piston bounce and i dont have to accumulate energy and from a very high spring force in the beginning? A lighter piston with a lower force in the start would give me the same speed of the piston and have the spring force when it's most use of it. The benefit of a lighter piston is less recoil and a gun that is easier to shoot.
Mikael
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Re: Why keeping it private? Why get a wrong impression?

Msg. 110255  Posted by RBest on May 09, 1999 at 18:57:39:

In Reply to: Re: Why keeping it private? posted by Mikael on May 09, 1999 at 18:33:01:

Any businessman should be given the opportunity to correct a problem with his product without the whole world getting a wrong impression. If he fails to correct the problem, THEN there is cause to alert others. ANY device can fail, as has already been mentioned. Nothing is totally foolproof or perpetual. I really doubt that there are LOTS of failing Steroid's out there, because Tim is the BEST at what he does. Regards, Russ
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Re: Scope Mount for TX 200/Trophy 6X18 Combo

Msg. 110254  Posted by JMartin on May 09, 1999 at 18:49:30:

In Reply to: Re: Scope Mount for TX 200/Trophy 6X18 Combo posted by RBest on May 09, 1999 at 17:41:40:

I've got same combo coming this week except for mounts and pellets...where can I get the mounts and pellets (CPs)? Cabelas has mounts but not named with the Beeman numbers. Help??
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Re: Scope Mount for TX 200/Trophy 6X18 Combo

Msg. 110253  Posted by John M on May 09, 1999 at 18:47:20:

In Reply to: Re: Scope Mount for TX 200/Trophy 6X18 Combo posted by RBest on May 09, 1999 at 17:41:40:

I agree with Russ. I have that scope on an HW97 with a Tyrolean stock and the 5040 one piece works fine. The gun is tweaked to shoot at 910 fps with Premier lights and so has a greater recoil than a standard TX200, and I have had no trouble.

John M
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HW50 at 850fps

Msg. 110252  Posted by tomcal on May 09, 1999 at 18:45:53:

Just received a Weihrauch catalog and the fps rating for this gun seems a little high. For years this gun, under various names, has been rated about 720 fps. Is this a typo?
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Re: Why keeping it private?

Msg. 110251  Posted by Mikael on May 09, 1999 at 18:33:01:

In Reply to: Why keeping it private? posted by Tracker on May 09, 1999 at 18:13:15:

If Mac1 is pissed on the forum dosen�t mean that he is pissed on the visitors here and many of them is customers. If you are going to critizise a "airgunsmith" or his work you should contact him first and see if he is willing to help you out with your problem, and if he does tell us then what great a service you got, if he dont want to help you out them flame him. All pneumatic airguns could start to leak air and in many cases the leaks have nothing to do with the modification.
Mikael
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Airgun Club

Msg. 110250  Posted by John S. on May 09, 1999 at 18:20:46:

I have been searching the web and phone book for a Target (Siloutte or field) club in the Colorado Springs area with no luck. Anyone out there interested? John S.
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Why keeping it private?

Msg. 110249  Posted by Tracker on May 09, 1999 at 18:13:15:

There is another post about a steroid streak that wouldn't hold air and the poster was critcized for bringing the problem to this forum.

Now realizing that streak customers are asked to hush hush and try to rectify the problem under the table, I am getting skeptical now. It seems that there are a good number of bad streaks out there but we just don't hear about them. I bet the vendor is not so readily to release the number to the public.

There are still many people who think Edith should let ld back in. For what? If they want to hang with him and his crew, they are ever so free to go over to delphi and stay there. Another thing I noticed and seems very odd to me that Mac1 is pissed at the AGL and he still advertises here.


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Re: why not match springs to specific pellets?

Msg. 110248  Posted by Mikael on May 09, 1999 at 18:08:12:

In Reply to: why not match springs to specific pellets? posted by E Fudd on May 09, 1999 at 16:16:16:

It would be rather difficult, lets say your .177 rifle likes the 10.9 premiers and you make some changes maybe a heavier piston. After that you cant be sure that your rifle still likes the 10.9 premiers now it might shoot the 7.9 more accurate instead and if you shot them with the heavie piston it will slam to the wall in the compression chamber. It is possible to change the size of the transfer port to accept heavier bullets but it's very risky and you will probably ruin a couple of guns while experimenting. One way to avoid piston bounce is to seat the pellets to increase the dead volume and they will also start their travel little sooner in the firing cycle but you will probably loose power. Sizing them could also eleminate piston bounce but you could also loose power if you do that. It's only one way to find out and that is to experiment and listen and feel the firing cycle so you wount damage the gun.
Mikael
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Re: Scope gasket shims = 3M vinyl electrical tape thickness: (7, 8.5, 10 ) x mils NOT!

Msg. 110247  Posted by Wade on May 09, 1999 at 17:57:18:

In Reply to: Re: Scope gasket shims = 3M vinyl electrical tape thickness: (7, 8.5, 10 ) x mils NOT! posted by RBest on May 09, 1999 at 14:10:42:

Russ, the Burris rings ARE excellent, however,
they will not work on certain dovetail designs.
The Daystate receivers are flat tops, which
cause the Burris rings to cant or list to one
side. If the receiver is a radiused top at the
dovetail area then they work fine. It has been
brought to Burris' attention and maybe they will
correct the flaw. BTW, there is another way to
shim a scope, if the height doesn't need to go
over about 15 thou. You can shim the ring at the
mounting base. The clamp has a lot of tolerance
which will allow some shimming under it and the
receiver. Wade
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Re: why not match springs to specific pellets?

Msg. 110246  Posted by RBest on May 09, 1999 at 17:51:53:

In Reply to: why not match springs to specific pellets? posted by E Fudd on May 09, 1999 at 16:16:16:

EF: yes, it could be done; but who has the time to do the research? Getting very specifically made airgun mainsprings could prove to be time consuming and expensive. Some springmakers don't even want to be bothered making them because the stress levels are much higher than industrial springs. In other words, it's not as easy as it sounds. Regards, Russ
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Re: Scope gasket shims = 3M vinyl electrical tape thickness: (7, 8.5, 10 ) x mils NOT!

Msg. 110245  Posted by Sligh on May 09, 1999 at 17:47:01:

In Reply to: Re: Scope gasket shims = 3M vinyl electrical tape thickness: (7, 8.5, 10 ) x mils NOT! posted by RBest on May 09, 1999 at 14:10:42:

Russ, I've used several of the Burris ring set up,only trouble is,the 22 rings only have one large screw to clamp to the rail.Works great on PCP's albeit not good looking at all.For use on a springer I would drill and put in a rool pin or use a scope stop. Sligh
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Very carefully

Msg. 110244  Posted by RBest on May 09, 1999 at 17:46:09:

In Reply to: How do you change the spring in a RWS 48? posted by Jack on May 09, 1999 at 17:39:20:

You should make a spring compressor. I believe there are plans for one on Martins Airgunning page. Don't have the address. Other than that, a floor model drill press or a lathe with at least a 30" length bed and tailstock will also work. The gun must be disassembled carefully. Regards, Russ
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Re: Scope Mount for TX 200/Trophy 6X18 Combo

Msg. 110243  Posted by RBest on May 09, 1999 at 17:41:40:

In Reply to: Scope Mount for TX 200/Trophy 6X18 Combo posted by AHH on May 09, 1999 at 17:25:33:

The Dampa is a total waste on a mild recoiller like the TX. The 5040 would work just fine, but so would the 5030H mounts. Go for the least expensive. The TX is not that abusive a gun. Russ
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Re: More On Canada's Regulations

Msg. 110242  Posted by W. Edwards on May 09, 1999 at 17:40:02:

In Reply to: More On Canada Regulations posted by W. Edwards on May 09, 1999 at 17:38:11:

the address for the relevant Ministry is:

MINISTRY OF THE SOLICITOR GENERAL
FIREARMS POLICY CENTRE
340 LAURIER AVENUE WEST,
12TH FLOOR
OTTAWA, ONTARIO, CANADA K1A 0P8

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How do you change the spring in a RWS 48?

Msg. 110241  Posted by Jack on May 09, 1999 at 17:39:20:

Thanks
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Re: a few pictures from Little Rock '99

Msg. 110240  Posted by Sligh on May 09, 1999 at 17:38:16:

In Reply to: a few pictures from Little Rock '99 posted by PAL on May 09, 1999 at 12:33:09:

Nice pics. I enjoyed meeting you. Later, Sligh
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More On Canada Regulations

Msg. 110239  Posted by W. Edwards on May 09, 1999 at 17:38:11:

Interestingly the ATF site listed below had a summary
of information relating to taking firearms into Canada.


Pellet guns with a muzzle velocity of more than 152.5 metres (500
feet) per second are considered to be firearms and come under the
above regulations. Those with a muzzle velocity of less than 152.5
metres (500 feet) per second are exempt.

For further information on the entry of firearms, please contact:

MINISTRY OF THE SOLICITOR GENERAL

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Good point! (nt)

Msg. 110238  Posted by ToddN on May 09, 1999 at 17:34:07:

In Reply to: Re: add them to your 'fun targets' list, and then buy a couple dozen! (nt) posted by ERIC on May 09, 1999 at 17:04:50:

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Re: Ever wanted to take a picture standing proudly by your prized buck ? ..............with your pellet gun.

Msg. 110237  Posted by ToddN on May 09, 1999 at 17:32:03:

In Reply to: Re: Ever wanted to take a picture standing proudly by your prized buck ? ..............with your pellet gun. posted by Jim B. in Nv. on May 09, 1999 at 12:35:34:

Jim,
Actually, the world record grizzly was a Kodiak
grizzly which weighed over 1600 pounds. I don't
know for sure, but I doubt it was taken with a .22!

Todd
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Scope Mount for TX 200/Trophy 6X18 Combo

Msg. 110236  Posted by AHH on May 09, 1999 at 17:25:33:

I have ordered the following set-up:

Rifle: Mk5 TX 200
Scope: Bushnell Trophy 6X18X40

I am trying to pick among the following:

a. Beeman two-piece high mount model #5030
b. Beman Deluxe one-piece mount model #5040
c. Beeman one-piece Dampa Mount #5096

What would be best mount for my combo?
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Re: Ever wanted to take a picture standing proudly by your prized buck ? ..............with your pellet gun.

Msg. 110235  Posted by ERIC on May 09, 1999 at 17:24:27:

In Reply to: Re: Ever wanted to take a picture standing proudly by your prized buck ? ..............with your pellet gun. posted by Ron B on May 09, 1999 at 16:45:51:

Okay, I give up! I had sort of skimmed down your post and saw something about headshots, hunting deer with a .22, only one deer running away out of 50+, and something about taking one at 400 yards. So I mentally put this together as you telling about yourself taking up to 50 deer with a .22 ho.null at 400 yds with head and neck shots.
That would sound pretty unbelievable right?
Anyways,
Deepest apologies
ERIC
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" ..your not that lazy. Are you Vern? " Yes, this afternoon. nt.

Msg. 110234  Posted by vZc on May 09, 1999 at 17:16:05:

In Reply to: Eccentric rings posted by Ron B on May 09, 1999 at 16:15:12:

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Re: My neighbor says

Msg. 110233  Posted by Birdman Of Alcatraz on May 09, 1999 at 17:13:36:

In Reply to: My neighbor says posted by Birdman of Alcatraz on May 09, 1999 at 17:09:28:

You know there just aren't the songbirds there used to be...Must be the pollutants

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Re: Computer Print-out Targets

Msg. 110231  Posted by ERIC on May 09, 1999 at 17:10:08:

In Reply to: Computer Print-out Targets posted by Eric Field on May 09, 1999 at 08:32:39:

Sure! here's some of my favorites.go to link below and enjoy^-^

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My neighbor says

Msg. 110229  Posted by Birdman of Alcatraz on May 09, 1999 at 17:09:28:

In Reply to: STEVEN FLANNERY'S SITE IS FINISHED AND ROCKS! SMOOTH RUNNING, MY OWN FORUM GUEST BOOK AND 20+ THUMBNAILED PICTURES! NO MORE FREEZ. YOU HAVE TO TAKE A LOOK!!! posted by Steven Flannery on May 09, 1999 at 14:59:42:



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Read about it here

Msg. 110227  Posted by ERIC on May 09, 1999 at 17:07:36:

In Reply to: Benjamin Model F posted by Warren on May 09, 1999 at 15:21:50:

a link.

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Re: add them to your 'fun targets' list, and then buy a couple dozen! (nt)

Msg. 110226  Posted by ERIC on May 09, 1999 at 17:04:50:

In Reply to: add them to your 'fun targets' list, and then buy a couple dozen! (nt) posted by ToddN on May 09, 1999 at 16:33:14:

Yeah, you could , but those things are pretty expensive! at 5-10 dollars a beanie, you'll go broke pretty fast. Try the ones you get free from mcdonalds.

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Re: .25 cal question rephrased " WHERE CAN ONE BUY .25 PELLETS IN ONTARIO ??? "

Msg. 110225  Posted by ERIC on May 09, 1999 at 17:02:55:

In Reply to: .25 cal question rephrased " WHERE CAN ONE BUY .25 PELLETS IN ONTARIO ??? " posted by Pel-It on May 09, 1999 at 08:51:38:

.25 cal pellets in stores are almost unheard of. If you plan of finding a store that carries such items, prepare to search long and hard. I suggest just ordering them through a catalog or through the inte.null. below is a link to a place that sells .25 pellets.

HTH
ERIC

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Does anyone know if the bandit can run on CO2?

Msg. 110224  Posted by joe on May 09, 1999 at 16:52:45:

In Reply to: Anybody here ever shot a Quakenbush Brigand .375? posted by PAL on May 08, 1999 at 19:40:25:

The Brigand runs on CO2 or PCP. Doe the other guns also run on either?

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Re: BSA Goldstar .22

Msg. 110223  Posted by WJS/wi/usa on May 09, 1999 at 16:50:32:

In Reply to: BSA Goldstar .22 posted by BW37 on May 09, 1999 at 08:45:07:

I've got one I gor from Precision Sales last year for about $450. They had them on sale, they may still have them on sale. Sent it off to Dave Slade for the gas ram. Nice shooting gun that pushes CP's our at around 700+ fps. I did have one magazine that gave me some problems but that's all.

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Re: Ever wanted to take a picture standing proudly by your prized buck ? ..............with your pellet gun.

Msg. 110222  Posted by Ron B on May 09, 1999 at 16:45:51:

In Reply to: Re: Ever wanted to take a picture standing proudly by your prized buck ? ..............with your pellet gun. posted by ERIC on May 09, 1999 at 15:26:54:

ERIC,

In your brilliance, you failed to read my post. And you education reflects your knowledge of hunting laws in Texas, where any centerfire rifle is allowed.

My post said I had shot many deer with .22 Ho.null. I started hunting deer when I was 15. I quit serious harvesting in my early thirties. The limit for deer was at a low of three whitetail per year and one buck. Rarely did I fail to fill out my 'dance card'. All of the deer I shot with the Ho.null were when I was hunting squirrel. Bambi would arrive at the most inopertune times and end up as the main course.

I have never picked up the Ho.null with the intension of bagging a deer. But, if you decide to shoot a deer in the neck, the spinal colum attaches at the head. In the neck, aim about one third from the top of the neck. The brain shot needs to be from the back side, at or slightly behind the ear.

Remember too, we are not talking long range. If you don't believe I can hit a tennis ball size target with a 1/2 MOA rifle at 50~70 yards, I'll give you three to one pay off on hits and you name the wager.

Then, you may accuse me of stretching the truth.

I await your retainer.

Ron
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add them to your 'fun targets' list, and then buy a couple dozen! (nt)

Msg. 110221  Posted by ToddN on May 09, 1999 at 16:33:14:

In Reply to: I WANNA KILL BEANIE BABIES! posted by Fearon Steele on May 09, 1999 at 16:28:09:

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I WANNA KILL BEANIE BABIES!

Msg. 110220  Posted by Fearon Steele on May 09, 1999 at 16:28:09:

Don't you hate it when you type in "pellets" on an online auction and you get 83 beanie babies and maybe 2 airgun pellets?
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Re: Computer Print-out Targets

Msg. 110219  Posted by Don S. on May 09, 1999 at 16:24:28:

In Reply to: Computer Print-out Targets posted by Eric Field on May 09, 1999 at 08:32:39:

http://www.hsv.tis.null/~ispellan/Software.html

Go to this link and download the software offered. There is a section in it where you can print out standard targets or modify them to suit your self.
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why not match springs to specific pellets?

Msg. 110218  Posted by E Fudd on May 09, 1999 at 16:16:16:

In Reply to: Re: Pellet weight and springs posted by RBest on May 09, 1999 at 14:30:17:

If someone plans on using very heavy or very light pellets couldn't custom spring and piston assemblies be made for this?
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Eccentric rings

Msg. 110217  Posted by Ron B on May 09, 1999 at 16:15:12:

In Reply to: " get the Burris Signature RIMFIRE AIRGUN rings with eccentric inserts " from whom ? nt. posted by vZc on May 09, 1999 at 16:05:07:

Vern,

Do you mean to tell me you know the product and manufacturing company and can't find them on the Inte.null? Yet, you can find industry specs on rifle bores. Come on, your not that lazy. Are you Vern?

Ron B
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Re: Why does this happen to me?

Msg. 110216  Posted by E Fudd on May 09, 1999 at 16:11:53:

In Reply to: Why does this happen to me? posted by Raul on May 09, 1999 at 14:29:58:

A couple months ago I was out hunting rabbits, and my dogs were going berzerk. It had just started raining, and as I waited for the rabbit to break from cover it turned into a downpour. Within a minute I was soaked, and then the rabbit came into view. He stopped under some scotch broom and I raised the rifle to fire, AND I COULDN'T SEE THROUGH THE SCOPE. Both lenses were too obscured by raindrops. As I frantically tried to figure out which blur was the rabbit, it hopped back into the bushes and I never got another shot.
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" get the Burris Signature RIMFIRE AIRGUN rings with eccentric inserts " from whom ? nt.

Msg. 110215  Posted by vZc on May 09, 1999 at 16:05:07:

In Reply to: Re: Scope gasket shims = 3M vinyl electrical tape thickness: (7, 8.5, 10 ) x mils NOT! posted by peteR on May 09, 1999 at 12:23:28:

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Re: a few pictures from Little Rock '99

Msg. 110214  Posted by Willy on May 09, 1999 at 15:50:44:

In Reply to: a few pictures from Little Rock '99 posted by PAL on May 09, 1999 at 12:33:09:

Paul that was relly nice .I want to go to one of thoes airgun show so bad i can tast it later Willy
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Re: .25 cal question rephrased " WHERE CAN ONE BUY .25 PELLETS IN ONTARIO ??? "

Msg. 110213  Posted by Jeff on May 09, 1999 at 15:44:31:

In Reply to: Re: .25 cal question rephrased " WHERE CAN ONE BUY .25 PELLETS IN ONTARIO ??? " posted by Pel-It on May 09, 1999 at 15:37:07:

I'm about a 6 hour drive from you. I'll give a check in the local stores around here for them.
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Re: .25 cal question rephrased " WHERE CAN ONE BUY .25 PELLETS IN ONTARIO ??? "

Msg. 110212  Posted by Pel-It on May 09, 1999 at 15:37:07:

In Reply to: Re: .25 cal question rephrased " WHERE CAN ONE BUY .25 PELLETS IN ONTARIO ??? " posted by Jeff on May 09, 1999 at 11:34:31:

Ottawa, but I'd be happy to order them from anywhere.
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Re: Why does this happen to me?

Msg. 110211  Posted by ERIC on May 09, 1999 at 15:34:00:

In Reply to: Why does this happen to me? posted by Raul on May 09, 1999 at 14:29:58:

It just happens. Once on a fishing trip, I remember seeing these huge fish ( eh, never identified it) feeding agressively on a shoal of minnows. I remember setting up my gear, then when I was about to cast, I saw I had put the line through the guides wrong. I took the rod apart and set it back up again, properly. Luckily, the fish was still there. I swung my rod back and started to cast. Then, my rod stopped dead. I'd hooked myself in the ear! I put the rod down and swore madly. When I got the hook out ( it was very painful when I jerked it out) I found I had scared off the fish!
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Re: Ever wanted to take a picture standing proudly by your prized buck ? ..............with your pellet gun.

Msg. 110210  Posted by ERIC on May 09, 1999 at 15:26:54:

In Reply to: Re: Ever wanted to take a picture standing proudly by your prized buck ? ..............with your pellet gun. posted by Ron B on May 08, 1999 at 20:56:06:

First off, is even shooting a deer with a .22 legal? I've often heard it wasn't. Second, Headshots and neck shots aren't good shots to take with deer, since thier brain is so damn small and with neckshots, it's hard to hit the neckbone. I serously doubt you shot 50+ deer with head and neckshots and with .22 and still, only one ran off.
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Re: a few pictures from Little Rock '99

Msg. 110209  Posted by PAL on May 09, 1999 at 15:24:13:

In Reply to: Re: a few pictures from Little Rock '99 posted by David in Texas on May 09, 1999 at 14:52:17:

Yeah I already used your pic of Barry Abel. I will use any others you send from the show.

Thanks, my 250 is already Mac1ed, but I'm going to send it to him again and get it converted to bulk fill. Now I am looking for a case for it. I'm going to get one of the cases made for pistol grip assault rifles/carbines. They seem to be the size I need.

Paul
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Re: thanks for the ID - I will add any info or names people send me regarding the pics

Msg. 110208  Posted by KEN. on May 09, 1999 at 15:22:25:

In Reply to: Re: thanks for the ID - I will add any info or names people send me regarding the pics posted by PAL on May 09, 1999 at 13:39:45:

Hello Paul.........Great pics, I've been waiting all week to see these pics, great stuff!!
Many Thanks KEN.
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Benjamin Model F

Msg. 110207  Posted by Warren on May 09, 1999 at 15:21:50:

Hello,

I recently found an old air Benjamin Air rifle in the attic of my grandmother's house. It is marked as a Model F, patented 1906, 1913,1917, 1918. I would like to know if this interesting antique is of any significance or value.
Much appreciated!
-Warren
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pump rifle that will shoot corks

Msg. 110206  Posted by mark edmiston on May 09, 1999 at 15:21:07:

looking to buy single pump rifle to shoot corks like you would see at fairs or carnivals. if any one could help please e mail thank you mark
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Re: What would you recommend

Msg. 110205  Posted by ERIC on May 09, 1999 at 15:20:46:

In Reply to: What would you recommend posted by Ezra Cooper-Finch on May 09, 1999 at 04:59:19:

Rabbits are okay, but possums are pretty darn hard to kill. Does it have to be a spring gun? maybe try using a PCP like the carreer 707? you could get good enough power to kill possums with that. If you really want a good spring gun try the PE ( little on the heavy side), webly patriot,or even a BSA SS, if you promise not to shoot possums, okay? ^-^

ERIC
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Msg. 110204  Posted by Steven Flannery on May 09, 1999 at 14:59:42:

Hello everyone, I am finally done with my page. Please sign the guestbook and tell me what you think. No more freez or lockups.........
Sincerely, Steven Flannery

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Re: 392 Steroid Problems, Won't Hold a Pump amp; Now Can't Open Bolt

Msg. 110203  Posted by DAS on May 09, 1999 at 14:56:35:

In Reply to: 392 Steroid Problems, Won't Hold a Pump amp; Now Can't Open Bolt posted by MartinL on May 08, 1999 at 22:18:05:

Martin,

Airing your complaints on the AGLF will not:

Fix your air rifle, get you better service,
improve the relationship that you have with a dealer or make you the sort of customer that other dealers would want to have.

If you have a problem, contact the dealer directly and keep it private. Most reputable dealers such as Mac-1 want you to be a satisfied customer because it is their livelihood.

Enough said.

Dave

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Re: a few pictures from Little Rock '99

Msg. 110202  Posted by David in Texas on May 09, 1999 at 14:52:17:

In Reply to: a few pictures from Little Rock '99 posted by PAL on May 09, 1999 at 12:33:09:

PAL: Nice Web-site. If you want anymore pictures of the LR show let me know. Your SSP-250 is a winner. I am going to send mine off to MAC-1 for some improvement. David in Texas.
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Re: Why does this happen to me?

Msg. 110201  Posted by Mikael on May 09, 1999 at 14:42:39:

In Reply to: Why does this happen to me? posted by Raul on May 09, 1999 at 14:29:58:

You shouldn't complain about little rain, right here it's snowing, yea thats rigth SNOW and lots of it. BUUUHUUUUU
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Re: What are you talking about?!!! CT.

Msg. 110200  Posted by RBest on May 09, 1999 at 14:37:01:

In Reply to: Re: What are you talking about?!!! posted by Jeff on May 09, 1999 at 11:33:26:

Jeff: if you are referring to airgun pellets--- that isn't a state law. It's just the STORES policy. I run into this at Sports Authority, so I rarely go there any more. Now when I buy pellets locally, I go to Cubeta's Field and Stream on rte.66 in Middlefield. Regards, Russ
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Re: Pellet weight and springs

Msg. 110199  Posted by RBest on May 09, 1999 at 14:30:17:

In Reply to: Pellet weight and springs posted by CJ on May 09, 1999 at 14:19:54:

CJ: Heavies do stress the spring a bit more,although the big magnums seem to deal with them relatively well. With .177 guns, I try to keep pellet weight below 9.5 gr and heavier than 7 grains. I have used up to 11+ grains in a .177 in some instances, but not steadily. If you are pretty handy around springers and do your own tunes; changing a spring once in a blue moon is no big deal. There are certain things an airgunsmith can do for a .177 airgun to make it a bit more tolerant of heavy pellets, but I hesitate to post it here, because someone ill equipped to do the job will try it, then complain if it doesn't work out well for them. For stock guns, I'd say stick with pellets that are between 7.2 gr and 9.5 gr if the gun is .177. HTH, Russ
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Why does this happen to me?

Msg. 110198  Posted by Raul on May 09, 1999 at 14:29:58:

I have just returned from a very fruatrating trip. I woke up early this morning, grabbed one of my favorite air rifles and headed towards my favorite shooting area. I parked my car, opened the trunk and started preparing my gear ready to enjoy what seemed to be a nice sunny day; then within ten minutes the sky turned dark and it started raining heavyly. WHY DOES THIS HAPPEN TO MEEEEEE?
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Re: remember :when animals atack show\tape remember the Bow Hunter who snuck up on that deer ? the deer beat him silly. wonder how bad a beating youd get if you shot a deer with an airgun NT

Msg. 110197  Posted by Whitewolf on May 09, 1999 at 14:23:42:

In Reply to: Re: remember :when animals atack show\tape remember the Bow Hunter who snuck up on that deer ? the deer beat him silly. wonder how bad a beating youd get if you shot a deer with an airgun NT posted by M Boyle on May 09, 1999 at 04:54:16:

I would have taken a good beateing and prob a good goreing. Rack measured up B&C 163 5/8

Later Whitewolf
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Pellet weight and springs

Msg. 110196  Posted by CJ on May 09, 1999 at 14:19:54:

How bad is heavy weight pellets on a springer.
Thought I read a while back that heavy Wgt pellets can hurt the gun.I know that really light pellets (Prometheus) can hurt mag airguns by letting the piston slam. So where does this balance and how do you figure that.

CJ
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Re: Ever wanted to take a picture standing proudly by your prized buck ? ..............with your pellet gun Check caliber restrictions in the state you want to hunt

Msg. 110195  Posted by RBest on May 09, 1999 at 14:19:36:

In Reply to: Re: Ever wanted to take a picture standing proudly by your prized buck ? ..............with your pellet gun Check caliber restrictions in the state you want to hunt posted by Anthony Storey on May 09, 1999 at 13:30:57:

Anthony: I've had a couple bucks drop real fast. Both were heart shots, and the buck leaped almost straight up then stumbled a couple feet and dropped. On the same trip, my partner hit an 8 pointer in the lungs, and we had to track it almost 200 yards. I hate when that happens!. I have had numerous gray squirrels drop precisely where they were hit- In the darn tree! They just flopped onto the branch they were sitting on and never even twitched afterward. I'm not as good a climber as I used to be either. Regards, Russ
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Re: Scope gasket shims = 3M vinyl electrical tape thickness: (7, 8.5, 10 ) x mils NOT!

Msg. 110194  Posted by RBest on May 09, 1999 at 14:10:42:

In Reply to: Re: Scope gasket shims = 3M vinyl electrical tape thickness: (7, 8.5, 10 ) x mils NOT! posted by peteR on May 09, 1999 at 12:23:28:

Pete: I've been meaning to try those Burris shims, but haven't gotten around to it yet. As you say, I hear they are the "bees knees" as far as shims go. Thanks, Russ
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Re: Chretin, the NRA and the SSP 250

Msg. 110193  Posted by Whitewolf on May 09, 1999 at 14:10:39:

In Reply to: Re: Chretin, the NRA and the SSP 250 posted by Jeff on May 09, 1999 at 13:59:52:

Contact me off line and we'll discuss this further.
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Re: Chretin, the NRA and the SSP 250

Msg. 110192  Posted by Whitewolf on May 09, 1999 at 14:08:43:

In Reply to: Chretin, the NRA and the SSP 250 posted by Dave K. on May 09, 1999 at 12:52:28:

If your interested. Contact me off line and we can discusss this further.

Later Whitewolf

Ps I too could not find anything of Chretin's speech on the.null. This is just what I caught on the radio.
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Re: Need help!!!!

Msg. 110191  Posted by jj on May 09, 1999 at 14:02:37:

In Reply to: Re: Need help!!!! posted by Alex/Wi on May 08, 1999 at 22:35:54:

Hi, tried to e-mail him, but got the wrong "DaveM".
Thanks for your testimonial, wasn't sure who he was and that certainly helped.

Thanks,
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Re: Chretin, the NRA and the SSP 250

Msg. 110190  Posted by Jeff on May 09, 1999 at 13:59:52:

In Reply to: Chretin, the NRA and the SSP 250 posted by Dave K. on May 09, 1999 at 12:52:28:

You mentioned the SSP 250 and Southern Ontario. I live in Southern Ontario, where do these SSP 250's come from?
Thanks
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Re: thanks for the ID - I will add any info or names people send me regarding the pics

Msg. 110189  Posted by PAL on May 09, 1999 at 13:39:45:

In Reply to: Re: a few pictures from Little Rock '99 posted by Mike Reames on May 09, 1999 at 13:35:30:

nt
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Re: a few pictures from Little Rock '99

Msg. 110188  Posted by Mike Reames on May 09, 1999 at 13:35:30:

In Reply to: Re: a few pictures from Little Rock '99 posted by Steve G on May 09, 1999 at 12:44:07:

Great Pics. The gun ld is getting ready to shoot, is Dave Matticks custom made wonder....
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Re: Ever wanted to take a picture standing proudly by your prized buck ? ..............with your pellet gun Check caliber restrictions in the state you want to hunt

Msg. 110187  Posted by Anthony Storey on May 09, 1999 at 13:30:57:

In Reply to: Re: Ever wanted to take a picture standing proudly by your prized buck ? ..............with your pellet gun. posted by John N on May 08, 1999 at 18:45:27:


The 9mm from Shin-Sung industries has plenty of killing power(200 plus foot pounds) for a deer with the correct shot placement and load.I have never met a hunter who has dropped all of his game stone cold dead as soon as the projectile struck its target.We all talk about 1 shot stops(instantly) that would be great if it always happened and yes we should strive for it.Being realistic if you hunt much, it just won't happen as we wish.People talking about cruelty, if they ever shot an animal that did not die instantly I want to know if they ever went hunting again?
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Re: Do you know of any FT competitions in the Dallas area?

Msg. 110186  Posted by John Mickel on May 09, 1999 at 13:19:50:

In Reply to: Do you know of any FT competitions in the Dallas area? posted by Bill L on May 09, 1999 at 12:54:47:

I heard they don't shoot fielt target in Texas as they don't want to get their boots dirty.:) john
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Thanks for the pics, friend! Loved 'em!! (NT)

Msg. 110185  Posted by James Pieper on May 09, 1999 at 13:11:16:

In Reply to: a few pictures from Little Rock '99 posted by PAL on May 09, 1999 at 12:33:09:

nt
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Wrong Discipline

Msg. 110184  Posted by John Mickel on May 09, 1999 at 13:05:09:

In Reply to: What would you recommend posted by Ezra Cooper-Finch on May 09, 1999 at 04:59:19:

You want dead possums? Get yourself a retire racing greyhound. Ours has brough in 2 squirrels, unharmed except for a broken neck, and 3 possums. Put in a doggy door and they'll bring them right in the house, so you don't have to go looking for them in the rain!! HTH john
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Do you know of any FT competitions in the Dallas area?

Msg. 110183  Posted by Bill L on May 09, 1999 at 12:54:47:

In Reply to: N.I.A.G. Field Target posted by DonC on May 09, 1999 at 09:55:13:

nt
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Re: About Delphi

Msg. 110182  Posted by JMartin on May 09, 1999 at 12:54:33:

In Reply to: About Delphi posted by E Fudd on May 09, 1999 at 12:22:19:

AMEN! I'm not a computer geek ...Delphi is hard to figure out! But I try cuz there's good info there too!
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Chretin, the NRA and the SSP 250

Msg. 110181  Posted by Dave K. on May 09, 1999 at 12:52:28:

In Reply to: NRA wanting to give Canadians freedom posted by Whitewolf on May 09, 1999 at 01:31:41:

Whitewolf,

I caught the tail end of a speech Chretin gave to a Michigan university where he said Canadians don't want a version of the NRA in Canada. I could not find any online reference this speech anywhere and I wondered what made him make this comment.
We have enough trouble getting folks to join the National Firearms Association here in Canada, can you imagine how well a Canadian NRA would do?
I do agree that pro gun organizations would do much better in western Canada than in southern Ontario.

On the SSP 250....
Do you do accurizing of this beast? Mine shoots terrible groups of about 1 inch at 9 yards with a scope! Trigger pull sucks and I hate that swing out loading gate. I have a tin of .22 Kodiaks that I got a few months ago and I cannot shoot them because the loading gate is too short for the Kodiak pellet to fit.

I think I am going fishing today before they restrict that to death too.


Dave K.
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Re: a few pictures from Little Rock '99

Msg. 110180  Posted by Steve G on May 09, 1999 at 12:44:07:

In Reply to: a few pictures from Little Rock '99 posted by PAL on May 09, 1999 at 12:33:09:


Thanks for picks for those of us unable to attend
little rock. LD looks like the character he is, miss the stories and technical info of LD.
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Agree 100%

Msg. 110179  Posted by Pavel Podvoiski on May 09, 1999 at 12:38:59:

In Reply to: Re: What is every one's favorite power-pl.null ? reasons ? nt posted by DAS on May 08, 1999 at 14:40:24:

Pump-up should lasts forever :)
Gas ram too.

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Re: Ever wanted to take a picture standing proudly by your prized buck ? ..............with your pellet gun.

Msg. 110178  Posted by Jim B. in Nv. on May 09, 1999 at 12:35:34:

In Reply to: Ever wanted to take a picture standing proudly by your prized buck ? ..............with your pellet gun. posted by John N. on May 08, 1999 at 18:29:04:

My take on this is that it would be possible, but extremely poor judgement to attempt it if it was not necessary. This is just the sort of thing that the anti's would like to ban airguns. As far as killing a deer with small bores it can be done, and is with great regularity. A poor hit with a .50 Browning machine gun bullet will fail to put a deer down. While a good hit with a .22 rimfire will kill a deer quickly, especially at close distance, and directly into the Central nervous system. It is illegal, and will get your butt into trouble if you are caught doing it. The world record Grizzly was taken by a Canadian Indian woman with a .22 long from a single shot bolt action rifle(29grains at 800fps). Do the math. It is possible, but why give our sport a black eye, if you don't need the meat to survive?
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a few pictures from Little Rock '99

Msg. 110177  Posted by PAL on May 09, 1999 at 12:33:09:

I threw a few pictures from Little Rock on a web page. It ain't pretty, but I thought some folks might like o see a few pics from LR.

Written for IE4. Should work but hasn't been tested on.nullscape yet.

Be patient, it will load a little slow. All the pics are on one page, no thumbnails.


Paul
http://www.i.null.null/~plambert/LittleRock99/

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Re: Barrel Bands

Msg. 110176  Posted by peteR on May 09, 1999 at 12:28:58:

In Reply to: Barrel Bands posted by Tony on May 08, 1999 at 17:29:50:

What kind of barrel band? Split ring or fixed?

Degrease both the barrel band and barrel throughly.

place a dab of loctite #242 inside the band and clamp it down snugly. Use loctite #271 or Black Max. if you want to make sure it NEVER, EVER, moves.

Chao!


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No other R.Best will grow in Canada :-( [n/t]

Msg. 110175  Posted by Pavel Podvoiski on May 09, 1999 at 12:26:09:

In Reply to: Re: What are you talking about?!!! posted by Jeff on May 09, 1999 at 11:33:26:



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Re: Scope gasket shims = 3M vinyl electrical tape thickness: (7, 8.5, 10 ) x mils NOT!

Msg. 110174  Posted by peteR on May 09, 1999 at 12:23:28:

In Reply to: Re: Scope gasket shims = 3M vinyl electrical tape thickness: (7, 8.5, 10 ) x mils NOT! posted by RBest on May 09, 1999 at 11:45:59:

Russ,

Thanks! and I agree wholeheartedly.

If you have to shim your scope,use lottsa release agent on scope body and inside of rings, a dab of two part epoxy in the bottom of each ring and gently clamp the rings down with a "centered" scope to get preliminary zero.
If it aint right, you can pop everything out and start over

OR,

Or better yet, get the Burris Signature RIMFIRE AIRGUN rings with eccentric inserts and be done with it!

Chao!

peteR
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About Delphi

Msg. 110173  Posted by E Fudd on May 09, 1999 at 12:22:19:

In Reply to: JM wants you to know..... posted by friartuc on May 09, 1999 at 06:58:21:

The reason Delphi doesn't rule is its format. I can come to the AGL and skim through a hundred posts quickly,only reading those I want. I know who posted them and what the topic is so I don't waste my time reading stuff I don't care about. I know which posts are new and I can skip the old ones, and there are always new posts. I would like to hear from JM, ld, shontzy and others that are banned here, but I find the Delphi format to be such a pain that I only go there once a week or so, whereas I check out the AGL daily.
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Re: BSA Goldstar .22

Msg. 110172  Posted by Sligh on May 09, 1999 at 12:08:31:

In Reply to: BSA Goldstar .22 posted by BW37 on May 09, 1999 at 08:45:07:

I paid 650 to PSI at the WS show last Oct. and sent it to Dave Slade for a gas ram and trigger job,$125 I think. Great gun now shoots CP's in the low 700. Sligh
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Re: weaver scopes from Natchez @ AirGunResources listing nt.

Msg. 110171  Posted by vZc on May 09, 1999 at 12:05:09:

In Reply to: weaver scopes posted by Sergio on May 09, 1999 at 11:28:23:

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Re: Scope gasket shims = 3M vinyl electrical tape thickness: (7, 8.5, 10 ) x mils NOT!

Msg. 110170  Posted by RBest on May 09, 1999 at 11:45:59:

In Reply to: Re: Scope gasket shims = 3M vinyl electrical tape thickness: (7, 8.5, 10 ) x mils NOT! posted by peteR on May 09, 1999 at 07:46:18:

Pete: that can certainly happen, but it's still a well known practice. While I don't like doing it, I have been known to shim a scope here and there. I just try to be very careful with the torque on the screws, and I tighten them in stages-- alternating from one screw to the other. A lack of patience and care can definitely crease the tube. Regards, Russ
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Re: possums

Msg. 110169  Posted by RBest on May 09, 1999 at 11:38:01:

In Reply to: Re: What would you recommend posted by wved on May 09, 1999 at 09:27:44:

As Lex Jenkins says" Pogo ain't got no OFF switch". Even head shots are tought 'cause their brains aren't very big. RB
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Re: .25 cal question rephrased " WHERE CAN ONE BUY .25 PELLETS IN ONTARIO ??? "

Msg. 110168  Posted by Jeff on May 09, 1999 at 11:34:31:

In Reply to: .25 cal question rephrased " WHERE CAN ONE BUY .25 PELLETS IN ONTARIO ??? " posted by Pel-It on May 09, 1999 at 08:51:38:

Where in Ontario are you?
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Re: What are you talking about?!!!

Msg. 110167  Posted by Jeff on May 09, 1999 at 11:33:26:

In Reply to: What are you talking about?!!! posted by Pavel Podvoiski on May 09, 1999 at 11:08:15:

It seems that some cashiers of the good ol Canadian tire stores don't do all the proper paper work. In one of our local CT stores there is a board with the law posted on it. Photo ID and the ammo needs to be registered.
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Re: BSA Goldstar .22

Msg. 110166  Posted by RBest on May 09, 1999 at 11:32:09:

In Reply to: BSA Goldstar .22 posted by BW37 on May 09, 1999 at 08:45:07:

BW: I have a Superstar in .22 that is the basis for the Goldstar. It just lacks the repeating mechanism, being a single shot. It's accuracy is excellent. I believe it shoots 14.3 gr Premiers at around 700 fps, and Marksman FTS pellets closer to 800 fps, although I haven't chronied it with the Marksman pellets though. Very well made airgun. Some time back, Precision Sales was selling them for under $500. Try PSI and Airguns Of Arizona. Regards, Russ
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weaver scopes

Msg. 110165  Posted by Sergio on May 09, 1999 at 11:28:23:

Where can I buy these scopes online and what would be a good mount for this scope in combination with a HW97?
Thanks
Sergio
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Re: Billy

Msg. 110164  Posted by Billy on May 09, 1999 at 11:24:50:

In Reply to: Billy posted by John N on May 09, 1999 at 09:10:50:

John, here in Ca. they have passed an ordinance outlawing snoring in Davis, made it ilegal to point lights up into the sky at night etc etc. Do I think such people are capable of using this sort of post to relate what they think some may attempt? Well I never thought a woman could be sued for snoring, and lose to boot. If your post had merely asked the question "could an airgun kill a deer?", That would have been more acceptable. Your post reflected, what was to me, a cruel way to inflate personal ego, and not common sense. You could wrestle a crocodile with a pocket knife, and maybe you'd win, but common sense tells you not to. At one time Edith went into quite a discertation about someone who made a comment about shooting a human. When I questioned her about removing such a post,she stating how merely the post would cause some readers to consider such an attempt, let alone the fact that the ATF watched these posts closely. She stated that they wanted to put airguns under their jurisdiction and such irresponsible posts gave them ammunition to do so. We don't want(need??)the limitations put on airgunners elsewhere. I took offense based on my own standards of humanity and common sense. Clearly, we all have diferent opinions depending on where we are coming from and I apologize if you took mine wrong. It was not directed at you personally. Surely now, someone will shoot a deer, successfuly make a kill and revel in what others said couldn't or shouldn't be done. The other point was to point out to Edith that by her own standards spoken to me personally, this post should have been deleted. I also did not state that you should be banned, only that others that have made statements much less offensive to the sport have been. Billy
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What are you talking about?!!!

Msg. 110163  Posted by Pavel Podvoiski on May 09, 1999 at 11:08:15:

In Reply to: Re: Canadian .25 cal grief !!! posted by W. Edwards on May 08, 1999 at 13:11:20:

Photo ID's? Paper work?!!!

Is something happened in last month?

In end of March i bought what left of .177 pellet stock in neighbor Can.Tire without any problems. The only thing is guy have to unlock cab.null and escort me to cashier. No questions was asked.
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Re: Gamo Delta

Msg. 110162  Posted by Scott Ogle on May 09, 1999 at 11:03:39:

In Reply to: Gamo Delta posted by Joseph Goodwin on May 08, 1999 at 20:08:14:

I have a Gamo Delta that I bought from Compasseco last
year for about $50. It's a fun gun that puts out a
CP at about 525 fps. It has lots of twang, a stiff
trigger, and it diesels unilike any airgun I've seen.
I can literally blow a smoke cloud out of the barrel.
Still, for $50 the gun is dead accurate and built to last.
The barrel is steel with a plastic sleeve and the
stock is hard plastic. I bought to punch paper in
the house and needed a gun that woudn't knock my
pellet trap into next week. I has has scope rails and
OK open sights. Not a good gun for pest control. HTH.
Scott Ogle
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Re: SSP250 notches first rat today

Msg. 110161  Posted by Jeff on May 09, 1999 at 10:48:57:

In Reply to: SSP250 notches first rat today posted by PAL on May 08, 1999 at 19:33:17:

Paul: What are the custom features of your Mac-1? I've got at 12inch Lothar on mine, plus a bolt and trigger mods. Getting 500-525 depending on temp with CPs (.22). Tight cloverleafs at 30 feet. Putting a 6-power leapers with AO to 5 yds on it today. Toys, toys, toys! Incidentally, excellent article on SSP250s (stock and custom) in latest US Airgun.

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Re: NRA wanting to give Canadians freedom

Msg. 110160  Posted by Jeff Guinan on May 09, 1999 at 10:41:22:

In Reply to: NRA wanting to give Canadians freedom posted by Whitewolf on May 09, 1999 at 01:31:41:

Whitewolf: what velocity are you getting from that SSP250? Is it a longer barrel than stock? TIA.

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What threat has the Balkans region ever offered the US?

Msg. 110158  Posted by Pavel Podvoiski on May 09, 1999 at 10:31:32:

In Reply to: Airgun comment included, Edith posted by Charles Guatney on May 09, 1999 at 10:21:11:

US don't want united Europe.

Balkans is excuse for military presence.

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Re: JM wants you to know.....

Msg. 110156  Posted by The Airgun Letter on May 09, 1999 at 10:09:00:

In Reply to: JM wants you to know..... posted by friartuc on May 09, 1999 at 06:58:21:

You wrote:
Would someone tell the AGL they have an old HW97.
The new ones I have seen are doing 905-925 fps with 7.9 grs and have the small plastic guide and R9 seal. AGL has the earlier dog!
Hence the review is flawed for owners of the latest greatest whatever!
====================
Thanks for the info. However, the review is not flawed. We tested the gun we received, and the results were printed in our review. Nothing we do is a catch-all for every gun. We bought a gun that is currently being sold by Beeman and its dealers. As a result, this is the same gun others may also buy. Others who order the HW97 will have the same chance of getting a gun with same performance as ours.

Edith Gaylord
The Airgun Letter
staff@null.null
http://www.airgunletter.null
http://www.airgunletter.com

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Why I didn't delete the original posting or this thread

Msg. 110155  Posted by The Airgun letter on May 09, 1999 at 10:01:50:

In Reply to: Re: COME ON EDITH posted by ToddN on May 09, 1999 at 02:39:09:

The reason I didn't delete the original posting and the replies is actually quite simple: You'd be surprised how many airgunners really do think that larger game can be dispatched with airguns that most of us believe are underpowered for the job.

There are plenty of new people coming into airgunning every day of the week, and if they don't know their guns are underpowered for the job at hand, they'll end up using them - and in the process, they'll either cause great suffering or a lengthy death scene that is inhumane and not conducive to the pro-shooting community. Providing honest and helpful feedback without making someone feel like a fool or insulting them for asking a question or proferring an idea is good for airgunning and probably keeps others from making the same mistakes.

Edith Gaylord
The Airgun Letter
staff@null.null
http://www.airgunletter.null
http://www.airgunletter.com

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N.I.A.G. Field Target

Msg. 110154  Posted by DonC on May 09, 1999 at 09:55:13:

Northern Illinois Field Target is held the 3rd Sunday of each month. Next sunday May17th is our first competition. General shooting and conversation is every sunday and Wednesday evenings. Sunday's event starts at 10:00 a.m. We shoot at the Hickory Hills Rod and Gun Club located near Plainfield, Ill. Take the Route 126 exit off I-55 and go west 1 block to the frontage road, follow signs. Hope you can make it.
Our lanes are cut thru wooded areas that surround a secluded fishing lake. Many of the shots are from elevated shooting positions into minature islands. Several lanes have beaver cut stumps in the scene and some have the target mounted on them. We have ALL Stoughtenburg targets now. I cut the lanes and painted and lubed all targets. All we need is YOU!
Loaner rifles are available to novices that would like to see what field target is all about. AAFTA rules are followed.

Don Carkhuff
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Re: What would you recommend

Msg. 110152  Posted by wved on May 09, 1999 at 09:27:44:

In Reply to: What would you recommend posted by Ezra Cooper-Finch on May 09, 1999 at 04:59:19:

Hi Ezra! Rabbits are OK with an airgun but 'possums ain't. Use a .22 rimfire for 'possums, raccoons, ground hogs and (as Russ Best says)"anything bigger than a fat squirrel", or rabbit. Just MHO, wved
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Billy

Msg. 110151  Posted by John N on May 09, 1999 at 09:10:50:

In Reply to: COME ON EDITH posted by Billy on May 09, 1999 at 01:18:19:

I do admit to being a very new hunter, using airguns and lacking any firearm experience. The only thing I have shot are dove, squirrel, and rabbit. And as I stated earlier, I am a bit of an accuracy nut. I do not like to shoot an animal more than once, and many times will not pull a trigger on a squirrel. I'd like to say I'm a responsible hunter and make it a habit not to shoot anything I do not eat. But as you can see I am just now discovering my limitations.
After reviewing replies, I'm learning that my head is bigger than my gun. There are legalities that I wasn't aware of and although I think its possible to kill a deer, I have a better chance of wounding it. I do regret having someone think this is the most offensive post they have ever read here. I do respect any opinion, even yours, and opologize if this was offensive to you. I do feel yours is more offensive than mine. Unfortunately mine is from ignorance and lack of knowledge of deer hunting. But yours is out of disrespect. I would prefer my post stay up and do not think there is a need to push any "delete" button. I'm sure there are many others like myself who need to read it. So Lets say I was an irresponsible airgun deer hunter. Do you really think this this post would really affect any legalizing of furhter small game ( as you stated)?
For anyone else who holds this sport dear that I've offended, I'd like to apologize.
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Re: Ever wanted to take a picture standing proudly by your prized buck ? ..............with your pellet gun.

Msg. 110150  Posted by Pel-It on May 09, 1999 at 09:03:54:

In Reply to: Re: Ever wanted to take a picture standing proudly by your prized buck ? ..............with your pellet gun. posted by ERIC on May 08, 1999 at 19:05:16:

Just for intrest sake, I shot one of my labs dog bones (no it wasn't in his mouth)to see what kind of mess it could make. the gun .25 cal beeman kodiak, the range was about 10 yards, and the result was a little grey circle on the outside of the bone and minor fracturing on the inside. My conclusion. still not enough power unless you are able to actually stick the muzzle into the deers ear and squeeze on off. hope your stealth skills are above par.
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.25 cal question rephrased " WHERE CAN ONE BUY .25 PELLETS IN ONTARIO ??? "

Msg. 110149  Posted by Pel-It on May 09, 1999 at 08:51:38:

The title says it all where in the great province on Ontario can I buy .25 cal pellets. I would be forever greatful for the info.
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How much $ do you plan to spend? (nt)

Msg. 110148  Posted by Jerry G on May 09, 1999 at 08:45:27:

In Reply to: What would you recommend posted by Ezra Cooper-Finch on May 09, 1999 at 04:59:19:


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BSA Goldstar .22

Msg. 110147  Posted by BW37 on May 09, 1999 at 08:45:07:

Anyone have one? What can you tell me it's performance?
What is a fair purchase price (SRP is 850.00)?
Thanks.
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Computer Print-out Targets

Msg. 110146  Posted by Eric Field on May 09, 1999 at 08:32:39:

Does anyone have air rifle targets that can printed off on a computer printer - you know, a Word or WP file ?
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No scope ring size application reference implied : just info on available thickness of tapes (nt)

Msg. 110145  Posted by vZc on May 09, 1999 at 08:04:07:

In Reply to: Re: Scope gasket shims = 3M vinyl electrical tape thickness: (7, 8.5, 10 ) x mils posted by RBest on May 09, 1999 at 00:57:46:

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Re: Scope gasket shims = 3M vinyl electrical tape thickness: (7, 8.5, 10 ) x mils NOT!

Msg. 110144  Posted by peteR on May 09, 1999 at 07:46:18:

In Reply to: Scope gasket shims = 3M vinyl electrical tape thickness: (7, 8.5, 10 ) x mils posted by vZc on May 09, 1999 at 00:44:36:

Can't shimming the interior of the rings warp or flex the scope body?

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JM wants you to know.....

Msg. 110143  Posted by friartuc on May 09, 1999 at 06:58:21:

From JM on Delphi Forums...........

Would someone tell the AGL they have an old HW97.

The new ones I have seen are doing 905-925 fps with 7.9 grs and have the small plastic guide and R9 seal. AGL has the earlier dog!

Hence the review is flawed for owners of the latest greatest whatever!


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get your facts from the pros...Delphi Rules
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info on Leupold 20-50X50 scope please??

Msg. 111191  Posted by jj on May 13, 1999 at 07:38:10:

Need info on Leupold 20-50X50 SF scope.
I know that it is converted from the 8.5x25.

I remember reading a post that these were fantastic and the best at rangefinding, better even that the Nightforce.

I was told that the optics were the best you can get.

Clicking cannot be beat as far as precision.

Was planning on getting the illum. mil dot put in it.

Will be using this for FT on a P70.

I guess that one negative is the close up lens??

Was wondering how close this scope can focus without the use of the close-up lens.

Since this scope will cost over $1000, I want to be sure.

Are there any other negatives??? I am sure there has got to be.

Just how bad is it to use this close-up lens??

If you are nervous about posting the negatives, feel free to send me an e-mail, address is at the top. And thanks in advance for doing so.

Thanks much,
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Re: search argument '' BAUER + compressor '' more urls

Msg. 111190  Posted by vZc on May 13, 1999 at 06:42:45:

In Reply to: search argument '' BAUER + compressor '' the url posted by vZc on May 13, 1999 at 06:37:53:

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search argument '' BAUER + compressor '' the url

Msg. 111189  Posted by vZc on May 13, 1999 at 06:37:53:

In Reply to: Re: SCUBA TANKS...compressor posted by stu on May 12, 1999 at 12:08:15:

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Re: Why spring guns only? Just curious (nt)

Msg. 111188  Posted by Mark Lisowski on May 13, 1999 at 06:30:44:

In Reply to: Why spring guns only? Just curious (nt) posted by Steve Schulz on May 12, 1999 at 23:50:56:

Steve,

This is the first match I've put on and don't
have all that much experience in FT. It was
suggested that I keep it to just springers for the
first match to work out the bugs. Also, since
this is the only FT match in The New England area,
we're not really sure how many shooters there are
and if they will show up. If there is a small
turn-out, just trying to keep the playing field
level. Also, I'm still feeling out how to
balance out the difficulty of the course.
Basically, just needed a starting point.
HTH - Mark

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Re: Scope Mount For IZH 61?

Msg. 111187  Posted by Steve B. on May 13, 1999 at 05:38:36:

In Reply to: Scope Mount For IZH 61? posted by Peter on May 12, 1999 at 14:28:07:

Peter: The smart money here may be to just bite the bullet and cut a dovetail into the front of the receiver - if you have access to a simpethetic machinist or a mill and cutter. It is unfortunate they didn't do this to begin with. Cheer up, I was going to put a laser back there and use the peep sights with the hot spot. Mounts are too short and the beam hits the top edge of the front sight - pity. I dragged a Redfield 3200 out and yes sure enough it will fit and the rings would work if mounted at the front and rear dovetails (no I'm not going to do it). You might make regular rings work if you can find a loooong scope tube.

HTH - Steve B
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Ballistics - help

Msg. 111186  Posted by Jeremy on May 13, 1999 at 05:35:33:

Does anyone out there have any information on the ballistic co-efficients of airgun pellets, I'm looking for some listings of commonly used pellets in all calibres, .177 .20 .22 & .25
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Which caliber is best for hunting?

Msg. 111185  Posted by Tony on May 13, 1999 at 05:27:48:

I am finally getting a serious hunting airgun, a
Model 48. The only problem is, which caliber?
I have a Sheridan for almost 20 years and have
hunted everything from chipmunks to 30 lb.porcupines. It has always performed well.
My experience has been so positive with the
5mm, that I am leading towards that caliber.
Then I speak to people more knowledgeable
than I and they tell me .177 is the way to go. I
have a feeling that .177 will be on the light side
for hunting crows, squirrels, chipmunks, groundhogs, and the occassional fox. The last
two is why I am considering going up to .22 caliber. Any suggestions?
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Re: Muzzle Veocities....45's

Msg. 111184  Posted by Steve B. on May 13, 1999 at 04:41:27:

In Reply to: Muzzle Veocities posted by jrk on May 12, 1999 at 23:21:09:

jrk: I've got a number of .45's. Webly revolvers (cal .455) typically shoot at 650-700 f/s; the projectile weighs around 265 grs. .45 autos are in the 750-850 f/p range, bullets weigh around 185-230 grs. .45 Colts shoot between 650-850 f/s, bullets weigh 185-255 grs. Keep in mind your mileage will vary; it depends on who loaded the ammo, what kind of gun is used, factory vs handloads etc. I've got a load the shoots a 230 gr. bullet from a .45 auto hotter than normal but my slabside colts appears to take it in stride. I've also got .45 colt loads for a ruger blackhawk that shoot just fine but would probably mangle a single action colt. Check out the factory or military loads for better details, they don't handload.

HTH - Steve B.
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Re: I'd be interested in your thoughts on stopping power and small game.

Msg. 111183  Posted by MR Bulk� on May 13, 1999 at 04:00:26:

In Reply to: Re: I'd be interested in your thoughts on stopping power and small game. posted by E Fudd on May 13, 1999 at 02:11:39:

Plus I've heard you can practically scare rabbits to death...

MR Bulk�


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Re: Giving replies without firsthand knowledge

Msg. 111182  Posted by E Fudd on May 13, 1999 at 03:59:53:

In Reply to: Re: Giving replies without firsthand knowledge posted by jb/ohio on May 12, 1999 at 22:45:55:

I suppose I would agree with you if I felt that people misrepresenting their experience on this forum was a problem, but I don't. I haven't seen droves of novices trying to pass themselves off as Jim Maccari or Russ Best. Sure there is a fair ammount of erroneous information passed around, but I think as much of that is coming from experienced airgunners as from newbies. Most of them are asking questions about what gun they should get, or what pellet they should use with it or something along these lines. I said earlier that people in the know can ussually spot B.S., and I think this is true. If someone tried to con you with some story about say, shooting KTW pellets from a steroid donkey at 1800 fps you'd recognise it as bull, and someone would certainly post a response pointing this out.
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Re: Career 707

Msg. 111180  Posted by Chris L on May 13, 1999 at 03:40:45:

In Reply to: Re: Career 707 posted by Geoff.R.C. on May 12, 1999 at 15:09:17:


Re: followup by Geof.R.C on May 12 to my
question about up rateing the Career 707.

Geoff, I am happy to strip the Gun I have done this many times before on other guns.
The odd thing with the Career is the the hammer spring is very heavy to start with and shimming or changing the spring rate seem to have no effect. also the power adjuster has little or no effect although it moves the valve stem stop
back and foward as you would expect,
I'm a bit baffled..
PS I tried to send you an Email as suggested but could not get it to work!



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Re: Air rifle for hunting

Msg. 111179  Posted by Andrew Leung on May 13, 1999 at 03:14:59:

In Reply to: Re: Air rifle for hunting posted by Adam on May 13, 1999 at 01:27:12:

I really don't know now, had the address and have to dig it up....I think Fred Liady has one.
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Re: air rfle for squirrels

Msg. 111178  Posted by Mark Lemm on May 13, 1999 at 02:58:51:

In Reply to: Re: air rfle for squirrels posted by Adam on May 12, 1999 at 22:03:24:

I second that recomendation!

-Mark
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Re: TX200, R9 and FT

Msg. 111177  Posted by Mark Lemm on May 13, 1999 at 02:52:34:

In Reply to: TX200, R9 and FT posted by jcbii on May 13, 1999 at 00:13:35:

It's like Russ said. The R9 is probably a better choice for a multi-purpose gun (hunting, plinking, FT) and the TX really shines as a mostly FT gun. I shot a TX for the first time at my clubs FT shoot two weeks ago and frankly wasn't as impressed as I thought I would be. It was nice, but it didn't blow me away like I thought it would. It really comes down to personal choice. I ordered a custom everything .20 R9 from JM because I wanted the best all around air rifle I could buy that was lighweight. Once your honest with yourself about how you really intend to use the rifle the decision becomes a little easier. Good luck!

-Mark Lemm
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Re: Air rifle for hunting

Msg. 111176  Posted by Mark Lemm on May 13, 1999 at 02:44:32:

In Reply to: Air rifle for hunting posted by Meck on May 13, 1999 at 01:14:29:

I keep saying the same thing to everyone who asks this question. My recomendation is an R1 carbine in .22 with a gas ram. At about 22ft pounds it should have no problem taking out all the game you mentioned to 50yds,its relatively lightweight, has a great trigger and good accuracy. You can spend alot more and get more power with other rifles but I think its the best bang for the buck in a hunting rifle. Check out Straightshooters site for prices and velocity numbers of a R1 with ram. Good luck.

-Mark Lemm
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Re: I'd be interested in your thoughts on stopping power and small game.

Msg. 111175  Posted by E Fudd on May 13, 1999 at 02:19:02:

In Reply to: Re: I'd be interested in your thoughts on stopping power and small game. posted by kimchi on May 12, 1999 at 14:46:52:

I guess we've made similar observations. Wadcutters and hollowpoints seem to be good for close range only though. They just run out of energy too quickly.
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Aperture sight for BSA SS

Msg. 111174  Posted by Tyler Hathaway on May 13, 1999 at 02:16:40:

What Model Beeman Aperture sight would work best for a BSA Supersport and i will be using it mostly for hunting and 30 yard target shooting.Thank you for taking the time in reading this message and i hope you reply
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Re: I'd be interested in your thoughts on stopping power and small game.

Msg. 111173  Posted by E Fudd on May 13, 1999 at 02:11:39:

In Reply to: Re: I'd be interested in your thoughts on stopping power and small game. posted by MR Bulk� on May 12, 1999 at 17:13:52:

Can't say that I've noticed the same thing. I have three airguns that I regularly use for hunting, (mainwy wabbits, heh, heh, heh). 2 .177's and a .25, and from what I've seen the .25 seems to impart far more shock value, while the .177 seems to kill by p.nullration. Then again the .25 is considerably more powerful than the others, so that probably accounts for it. A 12 guage really does the trick. Rabbits also are rather wimpy prey. It seems that a good shot anywhere in the vitals puts em down. Squirrels, felines, and apparently rats seem to be quite a bit tougher.
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Re: Consider this if you will.

Msg. 111172  Posted by E Fudd on May 13, 1999 at 01:53:09:

In Reply to: Consider this if you will. posted by RBest on May 12, 1999 at 19:59:56:

Russ, I hope some of these suits against movie studios are successful. I disagree with their premise, but it just might wake people up to the fact that our rights are under fire. Can you imagine the media uproar?
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Re: New tricks for old dogs?

Msg. 111171  Posted by Comma Cop on May 13, 1999 at 01:41:07:

In Reply to: New tricks for old dogs? posted by LOU V.K. on May 12, 1999 at 23:39:25:

Oh well, I tried. ;)
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Re: Senate kills bill to restrict sales at gunshows. !!! NT

Msg. 111170  Posted by gh on May 13, 1999 at 01:30:53:

In Reply to: Senate kills bill to restrict sales at gunshows. !!! NT posted by Russ Best on May 12, 1999 at 20:44:50:


Good ,but not very good,i.e there are still 46,"non partison",
NY Carlie Schurmers that will continue
fighting common sense....believe two of them
Republicans.No credit for the two from our state,who voted for the controls.
GH
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Re: Air rifle for hunting

Msg. 111169  Posted by Adam on May 13, 1999 at 01:27:12:

In Reply to: Re: Air rifle for hunting posted by Andrew Leung on May 13, 1999 at 01:24:05:

where could I get this gun??????????????

sounds neat
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Re: Air rifle for hunting

Msg. 111168  Posted by Andrew Leung on May 13, 1999 at 01:24:05:

In Reply to: Air rifle for hunting posted by Meck on May 13, 1999 at 01:14:29:

Price not an issue????????

hmmmmm,


I recall seeing a guy with a full auto 32 caliber machine airgun that knocks over centerfire silh targets, p.nullrate 4 inchs of a javelina silh, broke up cinderblock, saw in half a 2x4.....

Guy was in MO.

darn awesome.



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Career 707 in .22 would be and is my choice. [nt]

Msg. 111167  Posted by Burris on May 13, 1999 at 01:19:36:

In Reply to: Air rifle for hunting posted by Meck on May 13, 1999 at 01:14:29:

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Air rifle for hunting

Msg. 111166  Posted by Meck on May 13, 1999 at 01:14:29:

I am looking for an air rifle I can use for general small game hunting, and pest control (rabbits, pigeons, crows, sparrows, starlings, squirrels, gophers, etc.) Cost is not an issue I am willing to spend anything. I need an very accurate and somewhat powerful gun (over 20ft lbs.), any recommondations?
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I am settled.....

Msg. 111165  Posted by David P on May 13, 1999 at 01:14:09:

In Reply to: Settle down dave! posted by max on May 12, 1999 at 21:52:06:

just concerned that your advice wasn't in the Eric's best interests. Again, more care next time. If you feel there is more to say about this, my e-mail address is given.
David Prozzo, MD
Stockbridge, GA
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Re: Western Mass FT Match this Sunday - 5/16

Msg. 111164  Posted by Steve Parker on May 13, 1999 at 01:13:28:

In Reply to: Re: Western Mass FT Match this Sunday - 5/16 posted by RBest on May 12, 1999 at 20:43:43:


Bill B. and I will be in the same vehicle as Russ. Keep your eyes open for The Three Amigo's! Now where did I leave that darn sombrerro?
Steve
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Daisey Model-21 up for grabs.

Msg. 111163  Posted by Burris on May 13, 1999 at 01:13:01:

I just snagged a Daisey m-21 double barrel [plastic stock]. It is about 95%. E-mail me for details or offers.
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Re: We definately have more hard core supporters, but...

Msg. 111162  Posted by E Fudd on May 13, 1999 at 01:03:16:

In Reply to: Re: We definately have more hard core supporters, but... posted by Dave Monck on May 12, 1999 at 15:59:31:

I am quite glad that we have divided government here in the U.S. It seems to me that one of Britains greatest problems has been united government. Whenever some lame brain idea becomes popular you folks can legislate it into law quickly and easily. Over here it gets bogged down in committee, filibustered and vetoed, as most laws should be.
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Re: Red Dot Sights

Msg. 111161  Posted by John M on May 13, 1999 at 00:58:54:

In Reply to: Re: Red Dot Sights posted by Paul C. on May 12, 1999 at 21:50:03:

Paul

I looked for the ADCO web site but couln't find it.
Do you have it?


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HW55 Trigger Problem

Msg. 111160  Posted by Will on May 13, 1999 at 00:54:34:

Trigger block in HW55T has a broken or out of tolerance part. Does anyone know where a blown up diagram of the trigger block showing all the parts in thier proper relationship may be found. The rifle would not cock any longer. Trigger block has been removed and it's apparent something is amiss. Trigger take up ajustment is ineffective. Will retain cocked position only in while upright, and then not reliably. Possibly a broken spring?
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Re: Who's all going to the St. Louis show ? (nt)

Msg. 111159  Posted by Rich on May 13, 1999 at 00:34:07:

In Reply to: Re: Who's all going to the St. Louis show ? (nt) posted by jb/ohio on May 12, 1999 at 23:17:07:

I have family in St. Louis, and I'm going to be
there Memorial Day weekend for a wedding. I'm trying
to decide if I should put my son in the car and
drive back down the following week(we live in
southern Minnesota, about 9-10 hours driving).

We DO enjoy St. Louis. The Arch, Science Museum, and
we always go to The Hill for good Italian food.
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Re: TX200, R9 and FT

Msg. 111158  Posted by Jerry Rhodes on May 13, 1999 at 00:33:52:

In Reply to: TX200, R9 and FT posted by jcbii on May 13, 1999 at 00:13:35:

jc,

Find somebody that has a 240 and shoot it some. I am underwhelmed by mine. If you come to the same conclusion you will be able to use the money you saved by not getting it and get yourself one of JM's TX200 MK 5's in .177.

The R9 tuned is a nice rifle as well but is not to be confused with the TX. Different niches. The Tx is rather heavy and the R9 is rather light. The TX is much more forgiving of "operator error".

Might as well get them both, you will eventually.

Jerry


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Re: TX200, R9 and FT

Msg. 111157  Posted by RBest on May 13, 1999 at 00:33:17:

In Reply to: TX200, R9 and FT posted by jcbii on May 13, 1999 at 00:13:35:

jcbii: I think the R-9 is a better MULTIPURPOSE gun, but the TX's are just plain wonderful springers; especially if target shooting is what you do the most of. Both of these guns are on my "must keep" list, should I ever decide to sell some of my airguns. Just remember the TX is heavier, and for some people a little too heavy to carry around for hunting. Only YOU know what you really want. Regards, Russ
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Youthful exuberance and 'hangin' with the guys " .

Msg. 111156  Posted by RBest on May 13, 1999 at 00:26:33:

In Reply to: Re: This is an odd post coming from the " kid " .....nt posted by doc on May 12, 1999 at 22:53:04:

For the most part, I see nothing wrong with young or less experienced airgunners attempting to answer posts. It's all part of the learning process and the urge to belong to a group of folks with like interests. While we should be aware of the posters experience on that particular thread, it will take time for new readers to develop a sense of who they want to get their answers from. Regards, Russ
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If 'steriod' rhymes with 'period', maybe Tim should rename it the 'PMS Express' (nt)

Msg. 111155  Posted by Don R. on May 13, 1999 at 00:23:23:

In Reply to: who makes the " steriod streak " amp; Supermax 1000? posted by Casey on May 12, 1999 at 14:02:16:


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Re: Open mouth--- change feet. An apology.

Msg. 111154  Posted by jason on May 13, 1999 at 00:18:49:

In Reply to: Re: Open mouth--- change feet. An apology. posted by Jim on May 12, 1999 at 09:48:45:

My PE was purchased from Jim Benson,(Bensons' Airguns) Edgwood Wa. Jim Benson, referred us to Jim Mcari, My Dad spoke with Jim Mcari who said to mail the gun to John Way (Private Eye Sports) for warranty work.

All I want is my gun fixed right. The Cow birds are out there mocking me.
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Sorry, I knew I would forget something - What Caliber? .177? .20? etc.

Msg. 111153  Posted by jcbii on May 13, 1999 at 00:18:30:

In Reply to: TX200, R9 and FT posted by jcbii on May 13, 1999 at 00:13:35:

jcbii
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TX200, R9 and FT

Msg. 111152  Posted by jcbii on May 13, 1999 at 00:13:35:

I have read several posts here talking about FT shoots and how great the R9's and TX200 (especially the ones from J.M.) are for these events. My question is, for the money, which one would be best. It sounds like you can get a fairly tricked out R9 from J.M. for $500.00, which is the starting price for the TX200 (unless I have misunderstood the posts - also looked at J.M.'s site). I am assuming that the TX200 (MK5?) is stock at this price.

After I buy the BSA 240magnum (which I would like to buy before Precision stops selling them at that great price), I would like to consider a gun that could be used in FT shoots. Because both guns have been given such rave reviews, I am not sure if there is even a difference between the two. So if you had $500 to spend. Which one?

Thanks for any replies.
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Re: Atmospherics and accuracy and yellow snow

Msg. 111151  Posted by RBest on May 13, 1999 at 00:11:50:

In Reply to: Re: Atmospherics and accuracy posted by burbago on May 12, 1999 at 23:26:54:

I hear you on that one. It answers the age old question " why is some snow yellow?" ans: Because I was cold ! RB
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Re: Paul Watts home page

Msg. 111150  Posted by RBest on May 13, 1999 at 00:04:31:

In Reply to: Re: Paul Watts home page posted by Forrest Gump on May 12, 1999 at 17:00:39:

FG: stick to shrimpin' ;>) Russ
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Found a Vintage Guns site, but no Dean Fletcher or picture of Crosman.

Msg. 111149  Posted by jcbii on May 12, 1999 at 23:53:25:

In Reply to: Re: Crosman 1400 Picture on web? posted by jrk on May 10, 1999 at 23:17:08:

do you have the actual web address of the site you are referring to? I scrolled down to the "Vintage Guns" site, but I don't think its the one your referring to.
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Steve: vie gehts ?!

Msg. 111148  Posted by RBest on May 12, 1999 at 23:53:20:

In Reply to: Re: air rfle for squirrels posted by Steve Schulz on May 12, 1999 at 23:35:40:

You must have been real busy lately. Missed your input. Russ
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Re: Non-AirGun

Msg. 111147  Posted by Doug Law on May 12, 1999 at 23:52:05:

In Reply to: Re: Non-AirGun posted by RBest on May 12, 1999 at 23:19:51:

Sorry to hear of the loss of a good old flattracker. I was raised in central Illinois and rode a 47 Indian Chief (wish I still had it) a 59 Englsh [Royal Enfield] Indian, Matchless G-80 CS (had two), and a lovely and fun Greeves Anglican trials bike I ordered used from England. Crazy times but they were great. By the way my home town was Pontiac, Ill, 100 m iles south of Chicago and we always ran a State Tourist Trophy race {TT} the week before the Peoria Nationals!!Peoria was 60 miles east and a real ball. Thanks for the memories!!!

Doug


Nevada Air Gun Addict
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Why spring guns only? Just curious (nt)

Msg. 111146  Posted by Steve Schulz on May 12, 1999 at 23:50:56:

In Reply to: Western Mass FT Match this Sunday - 5/16 posted by Mark Lisowski on May 12, 1999 at 20:42:08:

nt
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Is that you Amin?

Msg. 111144  Posted by Hassan Ben Sober on May 12, 1999 at 23:45:40:

In Reply to: This is an odd post coming from the " kid " .....nt posted by Ben Dover on May 12, 1999 at 15:38:07:


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air rfle for squirrels = RWS 48 .177 out to 50 yds. for $215- $325

Msg. 111143  Posted by vZc on May 12, 1999 at 23:44:29:

In Reply to: air rfle for squirrels posted by Mike on May 12, 1999 at 21:49:29:

AirGunExpress demo @ $200 or new @$300
or new @ Cabela's ($310)
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Re: Double-talk?

Msg. 111142  Posted by jb/ohio on May 12, 1999 at 23:42:22:

In Reply to: Re: Double-talk? posted by jb/ohio on May 11, 1999 at 23:33:43:

you know what? i have written several replies and erased them all. several reasons (don't ask; although if you ask who, i'll probably tell you). the dollars aren't big, but the principle is: if you are going to do work, do it right and stand back of it. joe blake of ohio
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Re: Career 707 Floating 1 step further

Msg. 111141  Posted by v.p. on May 12, 1999 at 23:40:29:

In Reply to: Re: Career 707 Floating 1 step further posted by Ron on May 12, 1999 at 23:27:09:


Since the carrer barrels appear to be responsible for the great accuracy, why not put a carrer barrel in an older or used pcp gun.
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Re: Muzzle Veocities

Msg. 111140  Posted by Steve Schulz on May 12, 1999 at 23:40:19:

In Reply to: Muzzle Veocities posted by jrk on May 12, 1999 at 23:21:09:

jrk: try the link below, it has ballistic info for a lot of different firearm cartridges.

HTH, Steve

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Re: Ben/Sher Pistol-Bolt Unlocks

Msg. 111139  Posted by DAS on May 12, 1999 at 23:39:35:

In Reply to: Ben/Sher Pistol-Bolt Unlocks posted by Don S. on May 12, 1999 at 22:24:52:

Adjust the cam plate as Mac-1 suggested. This method works for Sheridan model "C" rifles, model "E" pistols as well as current models. When I posted my response, I must have had Crosman bulk-fill pistols on my mind!

Dave

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New tricks for old dogs?

Msg. 111138  Posted by LOU V.K. on May 12, 1999 at 23:39:25:

In Reply to: please pull over posted by Comma Cop on May 12, 1999 at 21:20:52:

At age 63,and graduated from high school 47 years ago,I doubt that my punctuation will be changed at this late date. Pretty difficult to teach old dogs new tricks.
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" Stoeger " Webleys

Msg. 111136  Posted by Dean R. on May 12, 1999 at 23:38:06:

I have a friend in U.K. who is a heavy-duty Webley fan. He is looking for "Stoeger" marked Webley air pistols. Can anyone help? Dean at croxby@null.null
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WEBSITES

Msg. 111135  Posted by Adam on May 12, 1999 at 23:36:39:

any one know any URL addrsses that I can find/order an Axsor pump. Thanx


-Adam
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Re: air rfle for squirrels

Msg. 111134  Posted by Steve Schulz on May 12, 1999 at 23:35:40:

In Reply to: air rfle for squirrels posted by Mike on May 12, 1999 at 21:49:29:

Mike,

for a novice, I would recommend that you go for a spring gun. In your case I would say the best choice I know of is a Beeman R-9 with a Bushnell Trophy 4-12x40 scope. That will be slightly more than $400 (add Beeman 5030H mounts for 30 - 40$), but you will have a rifle you can have tuned to near-perfection to be competitive in field target shooting and you will have a scope ideally suited for hunting because of its robustness and low-light performance.

Let's face it, it will not be your last airgun; YOU WILL BE ADDICTED, RESISTANCE IS FUTILE. In that light, you might as well buy something that will be a "keeper", both in scope and rifle, no matter what your next choices will be.

Now to killing squirrels: These critters are tough, as tough as critters do come. So what you will need to do is hit the precise spot on the neck or on/above the ear that will get the squirrel killed, unless you want them to hamper off before you have reloaded, hide and die slowly in their hideout.

The basic lesson is (as I had to find out over time) that you should have a rifle/scope combination you are comfortable with and can hit 1/4 inch at the distance you engage the squirrel at. Every time. Rifle power is not the primary issue.

So practice on paper targets, Tums, Aspirins or whatever until you know what distance you are accurate at. Then you know which shots on squirrels not to take. With the stock-condition R-9 I would say that the maximum effective range for squirrels is about 30 yards - if you can hit your daily medicine at that range, that is. I know, some people regularly take shots at flies at over 100 yards with lower-powered guns, or something like that, but I suggest you stick to what you can see and experience.

Hope this helps (HTH). Steve

PS: email me if you have any specific questions.
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Benjamin pat 1906

Msg. 111133  Posted by Tim on May 12, 1999 at 23:32:28:

I just bought a benjamin rifle. This gun is a pump
You pump it by the long rod in the front of the gun
It has a nickel finish and says benjamin air rife co.
pat 1906 and other earliler pats. also it dont hold air
But is in good condition. can anyone put a value on it
You can view the gun at the url posted below. any info you can provide will be greatly appriciated
Thanks in advance
Tim

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Sorry I should've read a little closer that your looking for a rifle.

Msg. 111132  Posted by Whitewolf on May 12, 1999 at 23:28:31:

In Reply to: Re: Looking for a good accurate sub 500fps .22cal non-spring rifle. posted by Whitewolf on May 12, 1999 at 22:39:55:

Must have had lead on the head or somthing.

Later Whitewolf
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Re: Career 707 Floating 1 step further

Msg. 111131  Posted by Ron on May 12, 1999 at 23:27:09:

In Reply to: Career 707 Floating 1 step further posted by Anthony Storey on May 12, 1999 at 21:24:19:

Hi Anthony, I also have the A Team reg. in my career carbine and I am very happy with its performance an I also free floated the barrel I did the opposit of what you did I took a rile barrel and fit it to my carbine now I am waiting for the week end to test its accuracy.But I am sure it will be just as accurate if not better but most of all I wont have to worry about accuracy shifting between charging up.
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Re: Muzzle Velocities

Msg. 111130  Posted by RBest on May 12, 1999 at 23:27:07:

In Reply to: Muzzle Veocities posted by jrk on May 12, 1999 at 23:21:09:

JRK: it depends on the loads being fired. There is no "one" velocity for any caliber. .22's can run from sub-sonic to 1600 fps. The 38's and 45's are slower, but with their heavier bullets, they pack more power. Russ
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Re: Atmospherics and accuracy

Msg. 111129  Posted by burbago on May 12, 1999 at 23:26:54:

In Reply to: Re: Atmospherics and accuracy posted by LOU V.K. on May 12, 1999 at 17:00:12:


I have found that the colder it is, the more frequently I have to relieve myself. This is disruptive to my concentration and positioning,
It's even worse when its both cold and foggy.

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Re: Rat Busting With MR Bulk�

Msg. 111128  Posted by MR Bulk� on May 12, 1999 at 23:25:19:

In Reply to: Re: Rat Busting With MR Bulk� posted by ToddN on May 12, 1999 at 19:47:40:

That's a thought -- will have to be through my Career though, won't feed through my 600 that way.

Regards,

MR Bulk�


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Re: Double-talk?

Msg. 111127  Posted by jb/ohio on May 12, 1999 at 23:24:43:

In Reply to: Re: Double-talk? posted by ToddN on May 12, 1999 at 00:10:58:


why do you hate that word todd? joe blake of ohio
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Re: DIFFERENT SIZE SCUBA TANKS...( brass??)

Msg. 111126  Posted by RBest on May 12, 1999 at 23:23:39:

In Reply to: Re: DIFFERENT SIZE SCUBA TANKS...( brass??) posted by DALE W MERRILL SR- on May 12, 1999 at 23:18:22:

Dale: I'm sure the steel is better-- it's what is used with high pressure hydraulic fittings. Even though yours blew, it shouldn;t have. It may have had a fault or micro-fracture that finally let go. Regards, Russ
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Re: Little Rock Wish we hard airgun show in NH. (nt)

Msg. 111125  Posted by jb/ohio on May 12, 1999 at 23:22:09:

In Reply to: Re: Little Rock Wish we hard airgun show in NH. (nt) posted by DALE W MERRILL SR on May 11, 1999 at 23:03:38:


i hear you dale. how far is it to roanoke, va.? we're planning on going there in, what? september, october? we used to live 46 miles away. beautiful country! i know it's farther for you than for us, but give it some thought. joe blake of ohio
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Informed replies like this one makes this forum so sweet.

Msg. 111124  Posted by Denny D on May 12, 1999 at 23:21:39:

In Reply to: Re: Kids today have no respect for quality German Barrels! posted by BRAD on May 12, 1999 at 22:37:31:

I love the opinions too because personal experiences are incredibly important, but it is especially nice to see facts (prices/measurements/choices,etc) appear too. Exact answers. Just an appreciative thought. Denny D.
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Muzzle Veocities

Msg. 111123  Posted by jrk on May 12, 1999 at 23:21:09:

I was out in my backyard this afternoon shooting a new air pistol I just got. As I was tearing apart a couple of coke cans, I began to wonder what are the muzzle velocities of 'real' pistols. The pistol I was shooting is spec'd at 430 fps. I realize that actual velocities depend on a number of variables, but in general terms, what are the average muzzle velocities of .22, .38, .44, and .45 pistols? Thanks
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Re: Non-AirGun

Msg. 111122  Posted by RBest on May 12, 1999 at 23:19:51:

In Reply to: Non-AirGun posted by Tommy hudson on May 12, 1999 at 23:09:13:

67 years young and still ridin'! God Bless him. Sorry to hear of the loss. Regards, Russ
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Re: DIFFERENT SIZE SCUBA TANKS...

Msg. 111121  Posted by DonC on May 12, 1999 at 23:19:40:

In Reply to: Re: DIFFERENT SIZE SCUBA TANKS... posted by RBest on May 12, 1999 at 22:20:25:

Russ,
That is how much I paid for my pump and gauge too. But Lanning Hockhouser recently purchased the identical set-up for $175.00. I'm pretty sure he got it from Don Nygord, but I could be wrong.
Don
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Re: DIFFERENT SIZE SCUBA TANKS...( brass??)

Msg. 111120  Posted by DALE W MERRILL SR- on May 12, 1999 at 23:18:22:

In Reply to: Re: DIFFERENT SIZE SCUBA TANKS... posted by RBest on May 12, 1999 at 22:54:40:

RUSS
I had a brass elbow blow in half on my pump scared the hell out of me.I went to a hydrolic hose shop and they told me it was not rated for 3000lb?? i forgot what they said it would hold but they sold me a steel one. DALE
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Re: Who's all going to the St. Louis show ? (nt)

Msg. 111119  Posted by jb/ohio on May 12, 1999 at 23:17:07:

In Reply to: Re: Who's all going to the St. Louis show ? (nt) posted by jb/ohio on May 12, 1999 at 23:08:22:


one of my fondest airgun memories was buying a little gat that i could shoot in the motel room (yes, i bought others!). it was a blast! one of my fondest non-airgun memories; well, my wife is on several kinds of special diets, so she looked up health food stores on the.null. after getting to st. louis on friday we (SHE) drove 35 miles (from the south side to the north side of st. louis). she bought a box of crackers. i told the clerk that we had driven all the way from dayton, ohio for that box of crackers. i wish i could have had a picture of the look on her face. joe blake of ohio
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Re: Red Dot Sights

Msg. 111118  Posted by John Z on May 12, 1999 at 23:16:14:

In Reply to: Re: Red Dot Sights posted by John M on May 12, 1999 at 21:49:46:

Thanks for the info....I will have to look into them more closely
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Re: Close focus distances

Msg. 111117  Posted by Tim2 on May 12, 1999 at 23:15:58:

In Reply to: Close focus distances posted by Garry on May 11, 1999 at 07:11:30:

Garry
The scope is advertised at 50 ft for close focus. I e-mailed Bushnell and they gave me a name of the only person they will allow you to get the scope modified by and still keep the warrantee valid. I've misplaced the name, but I do remember that it was only $30.00 plus shipping to get it modified to focus down to 10 yd. If you e-mail them, I'm sure they will send you the info you need.
Good luck. Tim2
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When was the last time you emptied your cache?

Msg. 111116  Posted by Steve B. on May 12, 1999 at 23:14:41:

In Reply to: Is anyone else finding this web page running slow? nt posted by Johnny O. on May 12, 1999 at 21:41:24:

Johnny O: Looks good here in Oregon. When surfing starts to bog down try empting your browsers cache's. When they pork-out and get full, loads bog down.

HTH - Steve B.
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Re: DIFFERENT SIZE SCUBA TANKS...

Msg. 111115  Posted by Howard C on May 12, 1999 at 23:14:04:

In Reply to: Re: DIFFERENT SIZE SCUBA TANKS... posted by adam on May 12, 1999 at 22:46:47:

adam

There are several sizes of scuba tanks on the
market from 6 cubic foot to over 100 cubic foot, if
your looking for a smaller tank just call your local dive shop (not a cheap bar)and ask for a smaller size tank, you did'nt say how many shots you would like to get out of the tank, of coarse
the smaller the less shots you'll get. I've seen
some people use 12 cf tanks for a field target match, but if your going for 200 or 300 shots it's out of the question, have you checked your
gun to see how much air it uses per shot, that will give you some idea where to start and how much
air you'll need to do what you want to do.

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Re: Career 707 problem

Msg. 111114  Posted by burbago on May 12, 1999 at 23:12:35:

In Reply to: Career 707 problem posted by Joey on May 12, 1999 at 19:28:30:


There is, most likely, a leak at the fill port or the valve is leaking due to contamination.,
Charge it up and close the lever, put saliva over the end of the barrel........If you get a bubble, you probably have dirt under your valve. Next put saliva over the fill port, check for bubble.....Mineral oil works better than saliva, but both work.
If it's a valve leak, try dry fireing while on highest power, shoot several times. This works about half the time. If it doesn't work the valve must come out..
If the leak is in the fill port...it comes apart.
Good luck
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Squirrel problems got me started on this great sport/hobby/addiction

Msg. 111113  Posted by Denny D on May 12, 1999 at 23:09:23:

In Reply to: air rfle for squirrels posted by Mike on May 12, 1999 at 21:49:29:

I haven't dared to actually figure out the true cost. I have only killed a half dozen squirrels in the three years I have been in this hobby/sport/addiction, because I have only shot the ones that try to eat my cedar shake shingles or eat their way into my house. Buying an airgun for the squirrel problem got me interested in shooting, and the variety of airguns and airgun types got me interested in trying LOTS of airguns. That comes at a price. I haven't regretted a second of it, but the cost per squirrel over the years is probably something I shouldn't think about.

Back to your question. There are dozens of air rifles that are not on Russ's list that also have the power to kill a squirrel too. The airgun industry is currently wonderful with choices. Airgun accuracy can be easy or hard, depending on the type airgun. Pumps and PCPs are easy to be accurate with because they are recoilless. Springers take skill and practice to be accurate with because the recoil effects occur while the pellet is still in the barrel, so form is very important in a springer, and the greater the power, the more critical the form is for accuracy. It is great fun to make a springer shoot accurately, and no tanks or multiple pumps are required. Tradeoffs.

Part of your price should include a scope because it increases your accuracy greatly, regardless of the airgun. Powerful springers require strong airgun scopes that can handle the double recoil caused by the spring (forward recoil like firearms when the spring starts to expand, reverse recoil when the spring hits the forward end and stops expanding). Pumps and PCPs can take any scope because of low/no recoil. A BSA 6-24X zoom scope cost around $130. A top of the line Leopold costs around $600 for the same zoom power.

There are exceptions, but know that in both airguns and scopes, price varies with quality. You get what you pay for in most cases; better quality and accuracy costs more. The question for you today is what is good enough to kill squirrels (the addiction part comes later).

For out-of-the-box shoot where you aim (within the limits of the gun), I suggest a pump or PCP with a zoom scope. I suggest the zoom scope because it is versatile for all uses, as opposed to a fixed power scope. PCPs cost more than pumps and require a scuba tank and hose to refill, costing more money, but they are instant accuracy in quality (with a decent scope you can hit a BB ten times out of ten at 50' from a bench rest, so you can pick the hair you will hit, and the power is above what you need. Because of the price increase, I suggest you save PCPs until after you are addicted to airguns (only takes one airgun and this forum). Pumps are limited in number and vary in quality and price.

I have two Sharp Ace Hunter pumps that are top of the pump line in accuracy and appearance, but the line is no longer sold in the US. Daystate makes a Sportsman that also is now only available used, but past the third pump it is reportedly too much of a workout. I suggest buying a Sheridan Steroid Super Streak from Tim at Mac1, listed in the resources section of the Airgun Letter that this forum is part of. You probably won't need all of the extra power he provides in his conversion, but the complete tweaking he includes is worth the delta of an over the counter gun. And for $400 you can buy his airgun plus a zoom BSA scope and mounts.

One guy's thoughts

Denny D

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Re: Atlanta Georgia

Msg. 111112  Posted by Winston on May 12, 1999 at 23:08:59:

In Reply to: Atlanta Georgia posted by chasm on May 12, 1999 at 21:34:16:

We'll probably have a work day at the range (as Wade said) since the GA Southern Regionals will be the next weekend.

Winston
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Non-AirGun

Msg. 111111  Posted by Tommy hudson on May 12, 1999 at 23:09:13:

im posting this because i know a lot of the guy's here ride bikes - we lost a good friend - Darrel Triber died last week doing what he loved - racing flat trac - Darrel was 67 years young - the man had over 1,200 throphy's! - he will be missed here in the great Pacif North West - He was A "Good Guy" and a friend --- Tommy

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Re: Who's all going to the St. Louis show ? (nt)

Msg. 111110  Posted by jb/ohio on May 12, 1999 at 23:08:22:

In Reply to: Re: Who's all going to the St. Louis show ? (nt) posted by Rich on May 12, 1999 at 00:46:54:


hi rich. unfortunately (perhaps), there were no manufacturers there. retailers? i'm not sure. fact is, it was a small show, maybe 15 or 20 tables (roger yost can probably provide an exact figure). but i enjoyed every minute of it. i was at the show for maybe 2 or 3 hours (i lost track of time). i had X amount of dollars to spend. i went through multiple times before spending it all. and i enjoyed every minute of it. (right now, i couldn't give you an estimate of the mix of antiques, classics and moderns there although i know that the last two were well represented). add to that that my wife was right to turn it into a mini-vacation. st. louis is a wonderful city! joe blake of ohio
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Re: Is anyone else finding this web page running slow? nt

Msg. 111109  Posted by Newk on May 12, 1999 at 23:06:24:

In Reply to: Is anyone else finding this web page running slow? nt posted by Johnny O. on May 12, 1999 at 21:41:24:

Here it is, prime time on the west coast and it cooks along. It isn't always the source server but possibly the plethora of interconnect servers on the way.

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Re: BSA Question

Msg. 111108  Posted by Willy on May 12, 1999 at 23:01:52:

In Reply to: BSA Question posted by BW37 on May 12, 1999 at 08:28:20:

Thats it are call me pst 707 839 1591 WILLY
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Re: DIFFERENT SIZE SCUBA TANKS...

Msg. 111107  Posted by RBest on May 12, 1999 at 22:54:40:

In Reply to: Re: DIFFERENT SIZE SCUBA TANKS... posted by adam on May 12, 1999 at 22:46:47:

Adam: it should. You may have to buy the brass threaded adaptors though. RB
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Can Adjust.

Msg. 111106  Posted by Mac1 on May 12, 1999 at 22:54:25:

In Reply to: Ben/Sher Pistol-Bolt Unlocks posted by Don S. on May 12, 1999 at 22:24:52:

Your cam is out of adjustment. Loosen the two screws holding the cam plate to the left side of breech. Put the knob in the middle of its travel(45 degrees) from the left stop. Push the cam plate forward and tighten the screws. If the bolt doesn't feel tight when you turn it to the right you will have to pull one of the cam plate screws out and then push the cam forward thru screw hole and then tighten the one. Without a proper cam adjust the bolt can flop around.

Later

Tim

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Re: This is an odd post coming from the " kid " .....nt

Msg. 111105  Posted by doc on May 12, 1999 at 22:53:04:

In Reply to: This is an odd post coming from the "kid ".....nt posted by Ben Dover on May 12, 1999 at 15:38:07:


if this is a personal thing, what's it doing on the forum (have you heard of e-mail?). if it's not a personal thing, then i don't get it. ric's been with us for quite a while and has been a contributor. he raised a really good point here. why "the kid"? joe blake of ohio
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Re: DIFFERENT SIZE SCUBA TANKS...

Msg. 111104  Posted by adam on May 12, 1999 at 22:46:47:

In Reply to: Re: DIFFERENT SIZE SCUBA TANKS... posted by RBest on May 12, 1999 at 22:20:25:

would a hose and gauge for a scuba tank work on the pump???
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Re: Giving replies without firsthand knowledge

Msg. 111103  Posted by jb/ohio on May 12, 1999 at 22:45:55:

In Reply to: Re: Giving replies without firsthand knowledge posted by E Fudd on May 12, 1999 at 01:41:21:


come on elmer. ric is right. when i respond to a question about an airgun, i speak of my experience with an example of that gun. we have too much of "this is a great (or lousy) gun because . . . (fill in the blank). . . says so." one of the dumbest things i've seen on this forum was a proposed "shootout" between ONE example of a particular airgun and ONE other example of a different airgun. airguns of the same make and model can differ substantially from each other for all kinds of reasons. at best, a test of a single airgun is illustrative. that's why we need to hear from as many people as possible (and please, try to avoid "as high as. . .", or "my gun gets. . ." without any indication of what went into that figure). and speak from experience (remember what edith has said, "there are no airgun gods (or goddesses)." joe blake of ohio
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Re: COLORADO SPRINGS CLUB?

Msg. 111102  Posted by John S. on May 12, 1999 at 22:42:16:

In Reply to: Re: COLORADO SPRINGS CLUB? posted by JMartin on May 12, 1999 at 20:01:48:

Sounds like a plane, Email me when you get here and we can go shot some bears or tweety birds.
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Re: Looking for a good accurate sub 500fps .22cal non-spring rifle.

Msg. 111101  Posted by Whitewolf on May 12, 1999 at 22:39:55:

In Reply to: Re: Looking for a good accurate sub 500fps .22cal non-spring rifle. posted by Ron M. on May 12, 1999 at 19:04:27:

The 2289 is your best bet so far. The Cr 2250 and 2260 are not yet ready for our Canadian market yet maybe late summer. But if you want to spend alittle more you could prob get a MRK I or a SSP 250 from GVR Enterprises Roger does them upto 495 fps.

For more info contact me off-line at wolfeyez@null.null

Hope this Helps

Whitewolf
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Re: Kids today have no respect for quality German Barrels!

Msg. 111100  Posted by BRAD on May 12, 1999 at 22:37:31:

In Reply to: Kids today have no respect for quality German Barrels! posted by Fearon Steele on May 12, 1999 at 21:46:01:

Daisy sells replacement 853 barrels Part#853-17 for
$45.00. There was a front sight and weight assembley
Part#853-11 for $8.00 on your gun.
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Re: How difficult is it to get a FAC in Canada??

Msg. 111099  Posted by Tim2 on May 12, 1999 at 22:35:53:

In Reply to: How difficult is it to get a FAC in Canada?? posted by JPO on May 12, 1999 at 21:14:30:

You do not have to take the safety course, unless you feel you need it. You can purchase the book for the course, study it and challenge the test. If you pass the test, simply fill out the forms, send a copy of the test results and what ever else is asked for (such as a photo of yourself) and the FAC will come in the mail. The waiting period is longer than the 28 day minimum that they tell you about; I'd say its 2 months or more. The forms at at the Post Office.
The test is not difficult, but a few nit picky question are on it, so be sure to study everything, even if you feel it is unimportant.
Good luck Tim2
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Re: Ben/Sher Pistol-Bolt Unlocks

Msg. 111098  Posted by DAS on May 12, 1999 at 22:31:57:

In Reply to: Ben/Sher Pistol-Bolt Unlocks posted by Don S. on May 12, 1999 at 22:24:52:

The breech bolt is not locking up tight enough. A spring washer (wavey washer) installed between the breech bolt knob and breech bolt will usually cure this problem.

Dave

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Sound like you need a little H2S in your oil That'll fix them and you too if not Careful N/T

Msg. 111097  Posted by Whitewolf on May 12, 1999 at 22:30:12:

In Reply to: Re: Rat Busting With !!! posted by BH on May 12, 1999 at 21:46:10:

N/T
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Re: SSP250 Barrels

Msg. 111096  Posted by Anthony Storey on May 12, 1999 at 22:26:15:

In Reply to: SSP250 Barrels posted by Tom on May 12, 1999 at 21:48:49:

I have a few different ssp250 barrels at the shop I will call you tomorrow when I find out which calibers and type
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Ben/Sher Pistol-Bolt Unlocks

Msg. 111095  Posted by Don S. on May 12, 1999 at 22:24:52:

I have a Benjamin/Sheridan 22 pistol..To load a pellet the bolt slides forward and then rotates to the right to lock. After I pull the trigger the bolt has obviously unlocked and slid back far enough that I can see the rubber O ring. I don't notice any blast of air...But it seems to me that this shouldn't happen........Does anybody know what causes this...Is it considered normal?
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I can Help you

Msg. 111094  Posted by Whitewolf on May 12, 1999 at 22:24:05:

In Reply to: Ach du Leiber ! Mein Gott ! posted by RBest on May 12, 1999 at 22:15:18:

When you send that Money Order for that adapter send me the barrel and I'll recrown it for you. Hope that eases the pain from what R Best just told you.

Later Whitewolf
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Re: Tuning an HW-45

Msg. 111093  Posted by RBest on May 12, 1999 at 22:23:21:

In Reply to: Tuning an HW-45 posted by Phil on May 12, 1999 at 22:14:22:

Offhand, I cannot think of any pistol tuners. I have done a couple myself, but because of a pistols shorter stroke, and other factors, it's hardly worth the effort. For the price of the tune, you could buy a nicely behaved pistol like the Beeman P-3. Regards, Russ
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Ah shucks Lou, Thanks! - nt

Msg. 111092  Posted by H. Todd on May 12, 1999 at 22:21:54:

In Reply to: Re: Good Advice but one step further ..... posted by LOU V.K. on May 12, 1999 at 08:45:01:



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Re: Atlanta Georgia

Msg. 111091  Posted by Wade on May 12, 1999 at 22:21:40:

In Reply to: Atlanta Georgia posted by chasm on May 12, 1999 at 21:34:16:

I'm sure they will appreciate your presents there
this weekend to help them prepare for the Southern
Regional Match being held NEXT weekend. Hope to
see you there May 22/23. Wade
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Re: Lube 1 Questions

Msg. 111090  Posted by MartinL on May 12, 1999 at 22:20:40:

In Reply to: Re: Lube 1 Questions posted by RBest on May 12, 1999 at 20:11:36:

Russ..That's similiar to how I do the B/S .22 pellets in the tin. I have maybe half a tin split off in an empty tin and give the top sutface a quick blast with the aerosol spray. Not a drenching mind you, just a good jolt. I too tumble and rotate the container. The Lube1 does a good job of searching out dry spots. I'm then set for many uninterrupted loadings..ml
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Re: DIFFERENT SIZE SCUBA TANKS...

Msg. 111089  Posted by RBest on May 12, 1999 at 22:20:25:

In Reply to: Re: DIFFERENT SIZE SCUBA TANKS... posted by Adam on May 12, 1999 at 22:16:20:

Adam: several places sell the Axsor. Try Krugs Hunters Haven or Air Rifle Specialists( ARS). These pumps sell for $200 to $250. The higher price should include a pressure gage and adapter or hose. Russ
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It's Not Difficult It's Red Tape

Msg. 111088  Posted by Whitewolf on May 12, 1999 at 22:19:45:

In Reply to: Re: How difficult is it to get a FAC in Canada?? posted by Jeff on May 12, 1999 at 21:26:57:

The course is not hard and or complicated Just good common sense and saftey Prices range from $65.00 to $125.00 or higher in the East. The card costs $50.00 with back ground check if you are mentally stable as per your references, no violence charges against you in the past five years, and what your local police department knows about you. It's mostly a ploy as to peoples ignorance of the laws. Maybe the NRA just might bring in their organization of 17 million plus members and help us out with this regestration Crap.

Hope this helps

Whitewolf
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Re: DIFFERENT SIZE SCUBA TANKS...

Msg. 111087  Posted by Adam on May 12, 1999 at 22:16:20:

In Reply to: Re: DIFFERENT SIZE SCUBA TANKS... posted by RBest on May 12, 1999 at 22:09:42:

where can I find it, and how much $$$?
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Ach du Leiber ! Mein Gott !

Msg. 111086  Posted by RBest on May 12, 1999 at 22:15:18:

In Reply to: Kids today have no respect for quality German Barrels! posted by Fearon Steele on May 12, 1999 at 21:46:01:

Fearon: get that kids name so I can slap him around a little! That WAS a choked barrel- I think. And a Walther barrel to boot! (sob). First thing you should do is have a gunsmith re crown it, shaving it back beyond where the damage to the bore is. Then, because the choke is gone, try to find a pellet the fits it just right. In the States, this gun is available NEW for no less than maybe $175? Regards, Russ
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Tuning an HW-45

Msg. 111085  Posted by Phil on May 12, 1999 at 22:14:22:

Can anyone recommend someone to tune an HW-45? I tried Jim Maccari but he does not want to do it.
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Exotic gasses!

Msg. 111084  Posted by max on May 12, 1999 at 22:10:31:

A while back on the forum someone mentioned using a mixed gas of air and helium in their pre charged airgun. The stated result was a pretty good increase in velocity. Does the lower molecular weight of helium allow it to accelerate a pellet more rapidly? Have hellium or mixed diving gasses been ested for this application? Seems like the gasses would be affordable. Just curious.
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Re: DIFFERENT SIZE SCUBA TANKS...

Msg. 111083  Posted by RBest on May 12, 1999 at 22:09:42:

In Reply to: DIFFERENT SIZE SCUBA TANKS... posted by Adam on May 12, 1999 at 21:58:27:

Adam: the Axsor pump is something over 2 ft high- if that will fit into your pack. It's not heavy. Russ
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It aint the same. nt

Msg. 111082  Posted by Toney on May 12, 1999 at 22:07:30:

In Reply to: R1 Ultra Glide Mag 80 kit posted by JW on May 12, 1999 at 14:01:20:



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Re: air rfle for squirrels. Only the Beginning

Msg. 111081  Posted by RBest on May 12, 1999 at 22:05:42:

In Reply to: air rfle for squirrels posted by Mike on May 12, 1999 at 21:49:29:

Mike: the marketplace is loaded with decent airguns capable of fullfilling your needs. Here are just a few airguns that will fit into your price range.
Beeman R-9
RWS 48, 36,34
BSA Supersport and Silverstar
Supermax 1000 ( avail. in .177 only)
Beeman GS 1000 " " " .
The Korean Saver 303 and 505 ( precharged pneumatics)
Sheridan Blue Streak
Benjamin/Sheridan 392
and many others. For pest control and hunting, I tend to recommend .22 caliber airguns, although .177 and .20 caliber can also get the job done. Regards, Russell Best. BTW, look at this forums homepage, and select Airgun Resources. Your brains will fall out at the amount of airguns you can read about and see. RB

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Re: air rfle for squirrels

Msg. 111080  Posted by Adam on May 12, 1999 at 22:03:24:

In Reply to: air rfle for squirrels posted by Mike on May 12, 1999 at 21:49:29:

Try a Beeman R1 or R9 between $350-540.


you can find them at www.airgunexpress.com
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.25 Perfect Rounds, #4 buckshot is .24 (a little smaller) nt

Msg. 111079  Posted by Roger Yost on May 12, 1999 at 22:00:40:

In Reply to: .25 Perfect Rounds, #4 buckshot, and Beeman Kodiak posted by Elmer Fudd on May 12, 1999 at 02:05:16:


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Eric didnt state his age in his first post that I responded to

Msg. 111078  Posted by max on May 12, 1999 at 21:59:09:

In Reply to: Settle down dave! posted by max on May 12, 1999 at 21:52:06:


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Re: SSP250 Barrels

Msg. 111077  Posted by Whitewolf on May 12, 1999 at 21:58:55:

In Reply to: SSP250 Barrels posted by Tom on May 12, 1999 at 21:48:49:

I sorry to say that the SSP 250 .22 barrels and .20 are a little tough to come by But if you can get a 1322 barrel from Crosman and epoxy fill the exhaust port hole with liquid steel This will help you with a .22 barrel.

Whitewolf
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DIFFERENT SIZE SCUBA TANKS...

Msg. 111076  Posted by Adam on May 12, 1999 at 21:58:27:

I was wondering if I could purchase a smaller size (portable) tank, and it would have to fill my gun to 3000psi. If there is such a thing how much would it cost, and how large/heavy would it be. (I am tired of lugging around a big heavy tank). Or if it would be easier to by a small pump, and how much that would cost, and how big it would be.

-Adam

P.S.- are there any pumps that would fit in a backpack that i could use in the field when I am hunting?
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Hey - I'm here!!!!

Msg. 111075  Posted by Roger Yost on May 12, 1999 at 21:56:25:

In Reply to: " Airguns in St. Louis, MO? " posted by JB3 on May 12, 1999 at 19:54:40:

(314)-894-2036
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Canadian Border Trouble!?!?!?

Msg. 111074  Posted by Whitewolf on May 12, 1999 at 21:54:09:

In Reply to: Has anyone heard of recent Canadian Border trouble? posted by Fearon Steele on May 12, 1999 at 20:45:56:

This is not new the border patrol has been stopping all shipments with any paper work stating guns, gun parts. To find out if the shipment is legitamate. This is where our law has a misprint.

IF the gun you are ordering from a dealer or private sale and the fps is not 500 or more have them label the contents eg: Crosman Toy. This is where we can use the interpretaion (SP) of the law to our advantage only if the gun is under 500 fps. Hope this helps out you fellow Canadians with your border concerns.

Whitewolf
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Re: Looking for a good accurate sub 500fps .22cal non-spring rifle.

Msg. 111073  Posted by W. Edwards on May 12, 1999 at 21:52:46:

In Reply to: Looking for a good accurate sub 500fps .22cal non-spring rifle. posted by Thorin Brown on May 12, 1999 at 18:18:34:

Best that you can get is probably a Crosman 2289
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Settle down dave!

Msg. 111072  Posted by max on May 12, 1999 at 21:52:06:

In Reply to: Be careful with what you recommend! posted by David P on May 11, 1999 at 22:41:33:

Look dave, its better that high school students who are into strength training are aware of fda approved supplements as alternatives to steroids.( oh my gosh,theres that word again)This is where steroid experimentation starts much of the time. He probably knows several class mates who use or have used steroids. Maybe I should have stated, "consult your physician." To most of us the # of pull ups a person can do may seem meaningless, but for someone who is trying to break a record it could be a bit more important. And if were all so concerned about Erics well being why didnt anyone advise him that he should always be shooting that powerful airgun with adult supervision. I dont mean to be too sarcastic but in reality that airgun of his could pose a greater health hazard than fda approved creatine or nutra sweet combined.
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Re: Red Dot Sights

Msg. 111071  Posted by Paul C. on May 12, 1999 at 21:50:03:

In Reply to: Red Dot Sights posted by John Z on May 12, 1999 at 11:52:10:

I have an ADCO red dot sight and it's excellent.
They have reasonably priced wide range of them.
Look for their webpage.
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Re: Red Dot Sights

Msg. 111070  Posted by John M on May 12, 1999 at 21:49:46:

In Reply to: Re: Red Dot Sights posted by John Z on May 12, 1999 at 20:03:45:

John Z

The red dot sight I am referring to is not a laser, it is merely an optical sight with an illuminated red dot at the center of the reticle. That would account for the difference in prices($19 vs several hundred you saw).

The one I ordered is supplied by Webley for use on the Nemesis and therefore fits the rail cut in it(The Nemesis that is). Mounts usually come with two dcritical dimensions: the width of the rail they will accomodate (9mm, 11mm etc.)and the diameter of the tube they will clamp around usually 1" for a scope. You need to know what those dimensions are for the configuration you are using.
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air rfle for squirrels

Msg. 111069  Posted by Mike on May 12, 1999 at 21:49:29:

I am a novice to airguns. Are there any air rifles suitable for killing squirrels. What are some brands and models. $400.00 price range
Thankyou
Mike
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SSP250 Barrels

Msg. 111068  Posted by Tom on May 12, 1999 at 21:48:49:

I'm looking to buy .20 and .22 SSP250 barrels. Can anyone help me? Thanks, Tom 1-800-784-7324, or sfa1@null.null

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Re: Rat Busting With !!!

Msg. 111067  Posted by BH on May 12, 1999 at 21:46:10:

If really want to see half pounder or better go to the oil fields of central/west texas. Many a time was had by our small group as middle teenagers. Not bad to see rats such as ones on Mr. Bulks page. BUT!! when go into quansant huts? (house,yardhouse,righouse) RATS existed in such a proportion that even the cats were afraid! Not one bit bashful,eat same sandwich u eat at same time. Five/eights--Three/quarter inch tail a foot long and beady eyes and TEETH a quarter inch long. Used firearm on these critters and seen them run off probably to get reinforcements. Another case for using enough gun. Sure miss the good ole days!
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Kids today have no respect for quality German Barrels!

Msg. 111066  Posted by Fearon Steele on May 12, 1999 at 21:46:01:

I picked up a Daisy 853/with scope at a local pawn broker for $20 today. Not bad hmmm? Problem is some punk decided it would look better as a sawed off pellet rifle. They hacked off the last 3 or 4 inches of barrel and did a crummy job of leveling it off. There is scarring near the end of the bore as well, presumably from a file. I'm not complaining for the money, still puts hobby's where I point them. Is this worth fixing or not? I don't think these rifles are exactly cheapies.
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Re: check the 2nd e-mail. Thanks!

Msg. 111065  Posted by MartinL on May 12, 1999 at 21:44:49:

In Reply to: check the 2nd e-mail. posted by Jerry Rhodes on May 12, 1999 at 21:29:00:

I will work with the method tomorrow afternoon. You were a big help in the follow-up explanation. I really appreciate the thoroughness! ml
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Re: Is anyone else finding this web page running slow? nt

Msg. 111064  Posted by Roger on May 12, 1999 at 21:44:30:

In Reply to: Is anyone else finding this web page running slow? nt posted by Johnny O. on May 12, 1999 at 21:41:24:

Do not know whether its the site or the time of day. .null may be so crowded that everything is slowed down.
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Ser. #02083776A Airgun Express(nt)

Msg. 111063  Posted by MartinL on May 12, 1999 at 21:42:38:

In Reply to: '' How's your .20 cal trigger? ... scope mounts..what are you going to use if any '' posted by vZc on May 12, 1999 at 21:06:11:

x
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Is anyone else finding this web page running slow? nt

Msg. 111062  Posted by Johnny O. on May 12, 1999 at 21:41:24:

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Atlanta Georgia

Msg. 111061  Posted by chasm on May 12, 1999 at 21:34:16:

Is there any airgun stuff going on in the Atlanta area this week end?

chasm
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Re: Senate kills bill to restrict sales at gunshows. - Oh Happy Day !!! NT

Msg. 111060  Posted by Marco on May 12, 1999 at 21:33:48:

In Reply to: Senate kills bill to restrict sales at gunshows. !!! NT posted by Russ Best on May 12, 1999 at 20:44:50:


NT
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Re: RWS/Diana 28

Msg. 111059  Posted by Doug Law on May 12, 1999 at 21:33:43:

In Reply to: RWS/Diana 28 posted by Earl on May 12, 1999 at 10:22:43:

Earl I messed up on my first post to you-I did find the RWS 28 in Brett Renos book on airgun values-great book!!!It is described as RWS 28-deluxe 26, 177 barrel break, 43 inches long wood stock one shot, 750 fps, one ad seen average $130-made 1992, mentioned in Gun Digest 1993 p. 440 and 1994 gun digest p 457, no pix. 94 gun digest says of the RWS/Diana 28-similar to the 26 which is similar to the 24 but has monte carlo stock with cheekpiece, rubber recoil pad and two statge trigger, velocity of 750 in 177 or 500 fps in .22 (FOR CANADIANS maybe with dumb anti gun laws??} Rifle retailed for $205. I fought with those laws for 10 years while living in beautiful British Columbia, just stupid gun laws-my personal opinion.
So sounds like the 28, 26 and 24 (often sold as a youth model are of same family and similar if not same powerplant,. For tuneup work Id suggest Jim Maccari-see AGL resource page.

Doug Law
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Re: Has anyone heard of recent Canadian Border trouble?

Msg. 111057  Posted by Jeff on May 12, 1999 at 21:29:36:

In Reply to: Has anyone heard of recent Canadian Border trouble? posted by Fearon Steele on May 12, 1999 at 20:45:56:

I also heard that UPS has stopped shipping any to do with guns.
I'm in Canada and recently tried to buy a RWS C-225 from America. No one out of 5 dealers I contacted would try to ship it across the border, either because they've been burned before or they knew they could be.
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Re: Best pellets for BSA Goldstar .22

Msg. 111056  Posted by RBest on May 12, 1999 at 21:29:12:

In Reply to: Best pellets for BSA Goldstar .22 posted by BW37 on May 10, 1999 at 09:06:34:

Try Beeman Silver Bear HP's, Crosman Premiers and BSA Excaliburs( heavier). Pointed pellets generally aren't as accurate as domed ones. Russ
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check the 2nd e-mail.

Msg. 111055  Posted by Jerry Rhodes on May 12, 1999 at 21:29:00:

In Reply to: Re: RWS48 Trigger, No 2nd Stage HELP! posted by Jerry Rhodes on May 12, 1999 at 21:10:52:

Martin,

I made a small error in the first one. The second one corrects the goof.

Jerry
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Re: How difficult is it to get a FAC in Canada??

Msg. 111054  Posted by Jeff on May 12, 1999 at 21:26:57:

In Reply to: How difficult is it to get a FAC in Canada?? posted by JPO on May 12, 1999 at 21:14:30:

Well someone tell me if I'm wrong.
I know a few years ago when I my dad got his all he had to do was fill out a form, they checked him out and he paid a small fee.
Now you need to take a course and pay a fee of over $100 (I think), background check I also think there is a test to pass. There may be more to it than that.
In Canada once I gun shoots over 500fps it's considered a firearm that needs to be registered and properly locked up.
You also need to be 18 years of age to get an FAC.
Hope this helps

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Career 707 Floating 1 step further

Msg. 111053  Posted by Anthony Storey on May 12, 1999 at 21:24:19:

At this Saturdays FT match I will be trying out a slightly different set up for my 707.Before all the talk about the super competitive Career of the A teams free floated system,Ray and I had a discussion several months back about different ways of seperating the air tubes from the barrel.I told him what I thought and he suggested trying a long action rifle with the barrel from a carbine.Hey I like spending my money on new airgun tricks so I decided to try just that set-up.The barrel is about 8.5 inches shorter than the rest of the gun.I am sure I will lose some velocity and maybe even 10 or so of my 70 "A" regulated shots.What do I expect to gain? Less barrel whip,shorter pellet time in the barrel and less chance of bending the barrel out of alingment with the receiver.The shorter the barrel the more force it would take to strain it into mis-alingment.(of course if you are careful it will not happen anyway).This short barrel also leaves a ton of room for a moderator the diameter and length of the air tubes.Would that be a neat package or what? This also opens up the possibillity of a whole new stock configuration I have been wanting to try for a couple of years now.I already have the vertical pistol grip stock and cocking arm.As usual, functional but not pretty.Stay tuned this year there is more to come!
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Re: RWS/Diana 28

Msg. 111052  Posted by Doug Law on May 12, 1999 at 21:22:48:

In Reply to: RWS/Diana 28 posted by Earl on May 12, 1999 at 10:22:43:

Earl-I find it listed in Brett Renos book of airgun values, if it is a The only ref I could find is a Diana 28 in Brett Renos book made 1914-1916, probably wrong maker. 177 barrel break, wood stock 44 inch length listed in Walters airgun book. I have RWS catalogues 1994 and newer and no model 28. I have an old German full color brochure and they show a model 25, 26 and two model 27's [one made 1925 underlever no forend, then a 25D and 27 and 25DS and 27S. So sounds like a tough one. Why dont you bring it to the St. Louis show Sat. June 4, someone there could possible help. Ill be there too.


Good luck-


Nevada Air Gun Addict
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Re: Daisey, 128 variant - Ooops Sorry!

Msg. 111051  Posted by Jim P on May 12, 1999 at 21:22:30:

In Reply to: Re: Daisey, ( Gamo ) 126 variant posted by LOU V.K. on May 12, 1999 at 20:14:46:

Lou,

Sorry about that - I too have two 126's and have neither seen nor met anyone that has seen a 128.

That is what I get for coming in late and not reading carefully. There is so much to read and so little time I tend to scan and missed the 128 both times.

Jim P.
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please pull over

Msg. 111050  Posted by Comma Cop on May 12, 1999 at 21:20:52:

In Reply to: Hey Mike posted by LOU V.K. on May 12, 1999 at 20:10:32:

easy on the comma key bro, and let your sentences flow. I feel like I'm stuttering
when I read your stuf. (and good stuff it usually is too)


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Re: who makes the " steriod streak " amp; Supermax 1000?

Msg. 111049  Posted by chasm on May 12, 1999 at 21:17:12:

In Reply to: Re: who makes the " steriod streak " amp; Supermax 1000? posted by DAS on May 12, 1999 at 16:00:53:

Dave,

Sounds like we need to buy more Streaks and no 1000's.

chasm

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How difficult is it to get a FAC in Canada??

Msg. 111048  Posted by JPO on May 12, 1999 at 21:14:30:

I see lots of posts where folks want to get an airgun that shoots under 500 FPS so they don't need a FAC from Canada. How hard are they to get and what do you have to do to get one? From previous posts, I gather you need a background check, take and pass a test, and pay a fee. Is there more to it than that?

JPO
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Re: Is Pyramid Air going out of business?

Msg. 111047  Posted by daveyg on May 12, 1999 at 21:12:21:

In Reply to: Is Pyramid Air going out of business? posted by Marty Jones on May 10, 1999 at 13:57:23:

I just got a brochure from them today.They sent
along a new products bulletin about a
webley axsor precharged pneumatic rifle.bundled
with that was info on Weihrauch,models and prices
and an article on the anics A-101.I stumbled
across the site last week.They claim the beeman
is the sears version of the Weihrauch
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Re: RWS48 Trigger, No 2nd Stage HELP!

Msg. 111046  Posted by Jerry Rhodes on May 12, 1999 at 21:10:52:

In Reply to: RWS48 Trigger, No 2nd Stage HELP! posted by MartinL on May 12, 1999 at 20:11:41:

Martin,

I just Emailed something to you.

Jerry
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Re: Looking for a good accurate sub 500fps .22cal non-spring rifle.

Msg. 111045  Posted by Doug Law on May 12, 1999 at 21:06:35:

In Reply to: Looking for a good accurate sub 500fps .22cal non-spring rifle. posted by Thorin Brown on May 12, 1999 at 18:18:34:

Mr. Brown-I lived in Williams Lake, B.C. (logging country between Kamloops and Prince George) and while there used the FAC rule to get a new WH-50 in .177-still need FAC for it as it shot around 700 fps. The point is it easily killed willow grouse 30 ft up in jack pine trees. Going to be tough to get much power under .500 fps even in .22. Other choice is the Brno Tau 200 rifle which is .177, very accurate at 10 and 20 yards, not so good pat 30 yards though-tough question-consider using FAC we used to call it Phone Acquisition Card when in B.C.


Good luck


Nevada Air Gun Addict
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'' How's your .20 cal trigger? ... scope mounts..what are you going to use if any ''

Msg. 111044  Posted by vZc on May 12, 1999 at 21:06:11:

In Reply to: Mine came in .22 cal arount 4pm CST posted by MartinL on May 12, 1999 at 20:16:21:

A little stiff, pulled trigger once.
Ordered Burris rings & offset inserts.

The barrel appears more rigid the 3 other 48 -.177s I 've owned.

What's your serial number & vendor (who sold it)?
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Re: Thanks Lou

Msg. 111043  Posted by Mike Reames on May 12, 1999 at 20:57:34:

In Reply to: Hey Mike posted by LOU V.K. on May 12, 1999 at 20:10:32:

Lou, I appreciate the thought, but I can't make it. I have WAY to many honey do's, making up for Michigan and Little Rock, back to back! Mike
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Re: Go ahead - RUB IT IN!!! Careers Rule!!!!!!! Ray no matter how fast the race car is the winner of the race still has to know how to drive! nt

Msg. 111042  Posted by Anthony Storey on May 12, 1999 at 20:56:59:

In Reply to: Re: Go ahead - RUB IT IN!!! Careers Rule!!!!!!! posted by A-TEAM-RAY on May 12, 1999 at 10:00:07:

nt
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Re: Thanks RBest. I'll try that. Thanks RBest,its a career barrel from a rifel cut for a carbine

Msg. 111041  Posted by Ron on May 12, 1999 at 20:56:05:

In Reply to: Thanks RBest,its a career barrel from a rifel cut for a carbine posted by Ron on May 12, 1999 at 20:32:38:

I will give it a try this weekend and i hope your idea works.

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Re: Germany's 1st FT Match Results...

Msg. 111039  Posted by DonC on May 12, 1999 at 20:54:29:

In Reply to: Germany's 1st FT Match Results... posted by Wade on May 12, 1999 at 19:25:52:

Great news Wade. I'm real happy for Nick. This proves nice guys finish first not last!
Don
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Re: Beeman P-3....comments?

Msg. 111038  Posted by cesar d on May 12, 1999 at 20:54:12:

In Reply to: Beeman P-3....comments? posted by Mickey Z. on May 12, 1999 at 01:07:29:

Hello Mike,
How about the P3 for $120.00 + shipping and Ins. and a tin of
silver jet pellets to go with it?? I still have a few in stock.

http://www.bsn-enterprises.com
Thanks,
Cesar

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Shelling peanuts, Korean style.

Msg. 111037  Posted by RBest on May 12, 1999 at 20:52:55:

In Reply to: Re: Go ahead - RUB IT IN!!! Careers Rule!!!!!!! posted by burbago on May 11, 1999 at 21:50:31:

Jeff: I gotta keep Hot Gluing those peanuts down! That's after I clear the area of peanut stealing squirrels! heh heh RB
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polish your stock with a polishing wheel

Msg. 111036  Posted by max on May 12, 1999 at 20:50:09:

In Reply to: Re: Stock finishing..Thanks again Buddy NT posted by Sligh on May 12, 1999 at 15:18:31:

I have done a great deal of metal polishing with a grinding wheel and different polishing rouges. Woods polish in exactly the same manner. The harder the wood the closer you come to a mirror finish. I polished my rws 48 stock and could see my reflection. This took about 30 min. Just a thought, it works great!
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Not since I tried to sneak Fireworks across ! heh heh

Msg. 111035  Posted by RBest on May 12, 1999 at 20:49:27:

In Reply to: Has anyone heard of recent Canadian Border trouble? posted by Fearon Steele on May 12, 1999 at 20:45:56:

Got busted by Grampa before we went thru customs. I think I was 13 at the time. :>) Russ
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Re: Bore off center Thanks RBest,its a career barrel from a rifel cut for a carbine

Msg. 111034  Posted by RBest on May 12, 1999 at 20:47:15:

In Reply to: Thanks RBest,its a career barrel from a rifel cut for a carbine posted by Ron on May 12, 1999 at 20:32:38:

Ron: see where it's hitting. An adjustable scope mount may do the trick for you. Russ
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Re: SuperSport Upgrade

Msg. 111033  Posted by Mark Lemm on May 12, 1999 at 20:46:15:

In Reply to: SuperSport Upgrade posted by Tyler Hathaway on May 12, 1999 at 19:23:37:

The gas rams are nice I have one in my Vulcan. Dave Slade at Airgunwerks will set you up just fine. The ram can have a sharp recoil though.

-Mark
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Has anyone heard of recent Canadian Border trouble?

Msg. 111032  Posted by Fearon Steele on May 12, 1999 at 20:45:56:

I don't mean to alarm anyone but my local gun dealer said all gun parts are being stoped at the border. I haven't heard of this from anyone else, but my dealer is always cynical about cross border shipping. He said this has just happened in recent weeks. It maybe nothing but just thought I would check.
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Senate kills bill to restrict sales at gunshows. !!! NT

Msg. 111031  Posted by Russ Best on May 12, 1999 at 20:44:50:

nt
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Re: Western Mass FT Match this Sunday - 5/16

Msg. 111030  Posted by RBest on May 12, 1999 at 20:43:43:

In Reply to: Western Mass FT Match this Sunday - 5/16 posted by Mark Lisowski on May 12, 1999 at 20:42:08:

I'm a comin' Mark- I'm a comin'. Russ
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Western Mass FT Match this Sunday - 5/16

Msg. 111029  Posted by Mark Lisowski on May 12, 1999 at 20:42:08:

Just a reminder that the Westfield Sportsman Club
will be hosting it's 1st FT match in quite a while.
This one match will be for SPRING GUNS ONLY.
E-Mail me for directions and other info.

Mark

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Inte.null 10M Match #25

Msg. 111028  Posted by Mark Lisowski on May 12, 1999 at 20:38:50:

Just the normal quick note reminding shooters that
scores are due by midnight Saturday (5/15).

Later

Mark

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Re: Stock finishing

Msg. 111027  Posted by Ron B on May 12, 1999 at 20:36:09:

In Reply to: Re: Stock finishing posted by LOU V.K. on May 12, 1999 at 20:08:03:

Lou,

I use the 'PFET' aka - plastic soda bottles to store o2 sensitive stuff. Just squeeze the air out, twist the lid.

Ron
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Thanks RBest,its a career barrel from a rifel cut for a carbine

Msg. 111026  Posted by Ron on May 12, 1999 at 20:32:38:

In Reply to: Re: Bore off center at breach,will this cause accuracy problems? posted by RBest on May 12, 1999 at 18:07:25:

I change the barrel on my carbine had the new barrel cut to lenght and found out that up the barrel from the breach the bore is off center,i have not try to sight in yet but i am a little apprehensive so before i set out to i would like to know what i might need to take with me to fix it if i can,thanks again.
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Re: Daisey, ( Gamo ) 126 variant

Msg. 111025  Posted by Jim P on May 12, 1999 at 20:30:03:

In Reply to: Re: Daisey, ( Gamo ) 126 variant posted by Mark E. on May 12, 1999 at 19:33:17:

Mark,

That is exactly what you have - the Daisy version of the Gamo 126. As I understand it the Gamo does not have the accessory rail and has a plastic sleeve on the barrel. The Daisy has a Walther match barrel - sure looks to me like solid blued steel (could be a sleeve - I've been fooled before.)

Lou,

I have two of these so I can varify that they exist. Tom reviewed it in the November '98 Airgun Letter and his comments are "right on." (i.e. they match my experience.)

I am glad you asked so I can e-mailed a little write up on how it works and how to restore power in this rifle to each of you - and anyone else that has an interest.

HTH.

Jim P.

Jim P.
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Mine came in .22 cal arount 4pm CST

Msg. 111024  Posted by MartinL on May 12, 1999 at 20:16:21:

In Reply to: RWS 48 - .20 serial #02084226 arrived today ... posted by vZc on May 12, 1999 at 19:34:55:

I got mine in .22 cal today. It has little signs of use. I posted that the trigger was very hard, with no stage other than the firing stage. How's your .20 cal trigger? Also I figure to get scope mounts..what are you going to use if any? TIA, ml
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Re: Daisey, ( Gamo ) 126 variant

Msg. 111023  Posted by LOU V.K. on May 12, 1999 at 20:14:46:

In Reply to: Re: Daisey, ( Gamo ) 126 variant posted by Mark E. on May 12, 1999 at 19:33:17:

What you and I have is nothing more than the common 126. i am looking for a limited edition version of this same rifle,which is the 128.I am told that they are the same mechanically,but,the sights are much upgraded,as is the stock,and the polish,prior to bluing.
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RWS48 Trigger, No 2nd Stage HELP!

Msg. 111022  Posted by MartinL on May 12, 1999 at 20:11:41:

I just received a RWS48 from Airgun Express and it doesn't seem to have a 2 stage trigger. The trigger def.nullly has different feels when not cocked, but becomes rigid once it is loaded up. I adjusted screw #2 with absolutely no difference, so I went back to it's original position. Can someone tell me why this is? ml
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Re: Lube 1 Questions

Msg. 111021  Posted by RBest on May 12, 1999 at 20:11:36:

In Reply to: Re: Lube 1 Questions posted by Wade on May 12, 1999 at 10:28:18:

In my Premiers, I usually squirt a couple pumps into the pellets, while still in the box, put the cover back on the box and turn it over and over. several times. A little will get into the foam in the box, but that's OK because it will lightly coat any pellets as time goes by, until the box is empty. Bill Butler has a leather pouch in which he does his pellets with lube 1. Regards, Russ
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Hey Mike

Msg. 111020  Posted by LOU V.K. on May 12, 1999 at 20:10:32:

In Reply to: Re:I won't be there, but I appreciate the great description. That was nice! nt posted by Mike Reames on May 12, 1999 at 20:07:32:

If you were going to be there,and,I knew about it,I would bring one of my NJR's,or,my MDS,for you to shoot.
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Re: Stock finishing

Msg. 111019  Posted by LOU V.K. on May 12, 1999 at 20:08:03:

In Reply to: Re: Stock finishing posted by Ron B on May 12, 1999 at 19:53:55:


I have used Japan Dryers in various finishes that I have used,but,the reason for the linseed oil being called 'boiled',is not that it has actually been boiled,as in days of yore,but,because it has been blended with a dryer in it. The mineral spirits evaporates,and,the spar,or polyurethane varnish will cure,when exposed to oxygen. One of the reasons that I don't recommend it in this application,is that,the left over that will be used for making minor repairs must remain fresh,that is why I handed out the little tip,of putting as many marbles into the can of leftover as will fit,to keep from having any oxygen rich space left in the can.
Another tip. If you have a bulk tank of CO2 on hand,it works to blast carefully into the partly filled can of paint,varnish,etc..This will preclude the finish setting up,as the CO2 displaces the oxygen.
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Re:I won't be there, but I appreciate the great description. That was nice! nt

Msg. 111018  Posted by Mike Reames on May 12, 1999 at 20:07:32:

In Reply to: Boy! This is really nice. posted by DonC on May 12, 1999 at 17:30:08:

!
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Re: Red Dot Sights

Msg. 111017  Posted by John Z on May 12, 1999 at 20:06:56:

In Reply to: Re: Red Dot Sights posted by John M on May 12, 1999 at 19:07:08:

I saw on one of the retailers.....sample scopes....including some priced in the 50 to 75 dollar range that supposedly were originally 2 to 3 hundred dollars.....
I cant remember the site.....one was a propoint III...any idea if that is a good Red Dot? or is it overkill?
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Re: Red Dot Sights

Msg. 111015  Posted by John Z on May 12, 1999 at 20:03:45:

In Reply to: Re: Red Dot Sights posted by John M on May 12, 1999 at 19:07:08:

If I am mounting a Red Dot on a Crosman 150 with a thin rail over the barrel...what mounts would I use...any idea?

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Re: COLORADO SPRINGS CLUB?

Msg. 111014  Posted by JMartin on May 12, 1999 at 20:01:48:

In Reply to: COLORADO SPRINGS CLUB? posted by JOHN S. on May 12, 1999 at 19:15:05:

John, I live in Las Vegas, NV but plan on moving to CS in October..maybe we can get together then?
Jeff
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Consider this if you will.

Msg. 111013  Posted by RBest on May 12, 1999 at 19:59:56:

In Reply to: Re: Avoid the poll. Biased Questions.of course,BUT: posted by E Fudd on May 12, 1999 at 00:42:16:

EF: I often wonder what the writers of the Constitution would have thought about one of the Amendments trying to do away with another Amendment. One article I read recently proposed that if we are to be allowed just one gun purchase per month, we should also be denied freedom of the press one day each month, just for parity. Think of the possibilities-- and the God awful screams of indignation. RB
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" Airguns in St. Louis, MO? "

Msg. 111012  Posted by JB3 on May 12, 1999 at 19:54:40:

I am new here in St. Louis, MO and was looking for any airgun shooting clubs or airgun hunters.
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Re: Stock finishing

Msg. 111011  Posted by Ron B on May 12, 1999 at 19:53:55:

In Reply to: Stock finishing posted by LOU V.K. on May 12, 1999 at 09:18:49:

Lou,

Do you ever use 'Japan Drier' in your stock finishing mixtures? Why or why not....

Thanks,
Ron
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Re: Rat Busting With MR Bulk�

Msg. 111010  Posted by ToddN on May 12, 1999 at 19:47:40:

In Reply to: Re: Rat Busting With MR Bulk� posted by MR Bulk� on May 12, 1999 at 06:41:51:

I agree entirely with your assessment of a rat's
capabilities. They are incredibly tough creatures.
I still believe, though, that .177 is more than
enough, and have been very successful with it in my
ratting ventures. BTW, have you ever tried firing
your pellets backwards at close range for extra
stopping power?

regards
Todd


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Re: Career 707 problem

Msg. 111009  Posted by Wade on May 12, 1999 at 19:38:28:

In Reply to: Career 707 problem posted by Joey on May 12, 1999 at 19:28:30:

Could very well be the check valve at the fill
connection. When you have filled the gun, make
sure you bleed off as fast as possible to seat
the check valve. There may be something in the
seat that is letting the air out in which case
an operation is in your future. Wade
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RWS 48 - .20 serial #02084226 arrived today ...

Msg. 111008  Posted by vZc on May 12, 1999 at 19:34:55:

... RWS does not apparently believe in cleanliness in new models: dirty barrel rifling grooves, oily stock & breech; cleaned.

Looks good after inspect & wiping.

Chronographs of weight sorted Beeman & Crosman pellet tomorrow.

Also anticipate derived BCs with arrival of second Chrony (Alpha).
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Re: Daisey, ( Gamo ) 126 variant

Msg. 111007  Posted by Mark E. on May 12, 1999 at 19:33:17:

In Reply to: Daisey, ( Gamo ) 126 variant posted by LOU V.K. on May 12, 1999 at 16:45:52:

The rifle I have I have been told is a 126, it does have gamo on the top of the recvr and also on the sight base. The stock is heavy wood, I don't think It's Walnut though. Not black walnut anyway. The stock is stempled around the pistol grip and under the forend. The rail has stamped Daisy in the recess. I got repack parts from Paul Landrith(I think) he is the one that said it sounded like I had a 126. It has a very light trigger. I use it to practice for High Power NRA shooting. I can shoot it in my basement.
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Career 707 problem

Msg. 111006  Posted by Joey on May 12, 1999 at 19:28:30:

Yesterday i filled my career up with air.Put it away,took it out to shoot it today and there was very little air left. I did not hear air leaking out ,but i have noyiced that i wasnt getting as many shots.There is a leak someware.Did anyone experiance this,and what is broken? thank you Joey
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Germany's 1st FT Match Results...

Msg. 111005  Posted by Wade on May 12, 1999 at 19:25:52:

Talked with Gary Cane today and he said that Nick
Jenkinson took first place and Kevin Jackman took
second. I'll tell you, Nick is still the one to
beat anywhere in the world. He is one of the Founding
Fathers of FT as we know it today,and is without a
doubt one great shooter. Wade
ps. Don, Gary said it would be another month, but
he promises you, you will be happy! He has found
a way to fix the flex in the action by the bedding
of the stock so that you will be able to use the
rear section for the scope rings. Hope that made
sense to you. Wade

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SuperSport Upgrade

Msg. 111004  Posted by Tyler Hathaway on May 12, 1999 at 19:23:37:

Well i wanted to improve my BSA SuperSport all-around performance, so i was wondering what the best tune i could get for the price. I was considering getting a Theoben Gas Spring for it , but i wanted to make sure that is as good buy.
-Tyler Hathaway
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COLORADO SPRINGS CLUB?

Msg. 111003  Posted by JOHN S. on May 12, 1999 at 19:15:05:

I Have been trying to locate a taget shooting club in the area with no luck. Any out there? Anyone in the area interested in AIRGUN SILLOUTE or FIELD TARGET? I,m getting tired of shotting asprins and teddy grams in the back yard.
John S.
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Boy! That was really nice. (end)

Msg. 111002  Posted by Bobcat on May 12, 1999 at 19:09:36:

In Reply to: Boy! This is really nice. posted by DonC on May 12, 1999 at 17:30:08:

uh huh

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Re: Red Dot Sights

Msg. 111000  Posted by John M on May 12, 1999 at 19:07:08:

In Reply to: Red Dot Sights posted by John Z on May 12, 1999 at 11:52:10:

I have just ordered one for my Nemesis from Pyramyd. I should get it by early next week. It was about $19.00 plus $6.00 shipping. I will let you know how it works.


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Re: Looking for a good accurate sub 500fps .22cal non-spring rifle.

Msg. 110999  Posted by Ron M. on May 12, 1999 at 19:04:27:

In Reply to: Looking for a good accurate sub 500fps .22cal non-spring rifle. posted by Thorin Brown on May 12, 1999 at 18:18:34:

I don't think 500 fps is enough to kill anything. I would suggest getting FAC. I also live in Canada, and the government is really good at keeping guns out of my hands while a criminal is sitting at home cleaning his. Go fig
from Ron

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Re: Boy! This is really nice.

Msg. 110998  Posted by LOU V.K. on May 12, 1999 at 19:00:00:

In Reply to: Boy! This is really nice. posted by DonC on May 12, 1999 at 17:30:08:

Your idea of what is nice has a glitch. Some of us have over 200 miles to drive to get back home,after shooting 60 shots. For once in my life,I will think that living in the Chicago Metro area would be nice. ;-)
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Re: SCUBA TANKS...

Msg. 110997  Posted by RBest on May 12, 1999 at 18:26:21:

In Reply to: Re: SCUBA TANKS... posted by Joey on May 12, 1999 at 01:01:54:

Joey: regulated guns will maintain the velocity until the pressure in the gun drops too low. You will however, get less shots from each fill as your SCUBA tank pressure drops. If you can get the tank filled to 3300 psi instead of 3000, this will extend your shooting between fills of the tank, but once the tank gets down to 2000 psi or so, it'll hardly be worth filling the gun. The number of actual shots you get from each fill will depend on the gun in question. Regards, Russ
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Looking for a good accurate sub 500fps .22cal non-spring rifle.

Msg. 110996  Posted by Thorin Brown on May 12, 1999 at 18:18:34:

Well, The title says it all. What kid of rifles should I be looking at to fill this criteria? It must be as highly accurate as possible in the 10o-150$ range, and must have a good trigger pull. I don't want a spring gun, because they are hard on optics and prone to damage should I accidently leave it cocked. For legal reasons, it cant be over 500fps (i Live in Canada), but it should be as close as possible, because I want to kill things with it.
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Re: Bore off center at breach,will this cause accuracy problems?

Msg. 110995  Posted by RBest on May 12, 1999 at 18:07:25:

In Reply to: Bore off center at breach,will this cause accuracy problems? posted by Ron on May 12, 1999 at 17:37:00:

Ron: If you bought the gun new, I would discuss an exchange with the dealer. If it's a used gun, an adjustable mount may be able to correct for however far the bore is off center. Is it off to the side, or is it off vertically? Russ
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Re: MReams,RYost,MChilko,other bigbore airgun fans

Msg. 110994  Posted by Mike Reames on May 12, 1999 at 17:55:14:

In Reply to: MReams,RYost,MChilko,other bigbore airgun fans posted by Jack Sullivan on May 12, 1999 at 14:32:12:

Jack I was there, and hope to compete again this year. I may use a different gun than last year.. Mike
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Re: Close focus distances

Msg. 110993  Posted by Streak Freak on May 12, 1999 at 17:48:40:

In Reply to: Close focus distances posted by Garry on May 11, 1999 at 07:11:30:

Garry,

Check it out before you commit! I bought a clearance 4000 in 6.5-24X when the 4200 was being introduced. It wouldn't focus well at 10 yards, and B&L customer service (!) never returned my call about it. As a result, the scope took a $50 trip to an optical shop to get its objective stop removed. It didn't turn out to be the field-target bargain I'd hoped for.

Good luck!

Streak

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Bore off center at breach,will this cause accuracy problems?

Msg. 110992  Posted by Ron on May 12, 1999 at 17:37:00:

On one of my airgun the bore is off center will I have a consistant accuracy problem even after sighting in with a scope.
thanks for any help if this is going to be a problem.
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Boy! This is really nice.

Msg. 110991  Posted by DonC on May 12, 1999 at 17:30:08:

Yesterday I went to our rifle club in Illinois to mow and trim lanes in preparation for Sunday's field target competition. The previous year I worked very hard to chop,cut,prune, and remove rocks to make the lanes. This year all I had to do is bascially mow and prune. I thought boy this is nice. I then set out 2 metal knockdown in a lane and sat down on my bum bag to check out the lane. As I sat on the bum bag I stretched out my right leg and my foot bumped into a beaver cut stump. I thought boy, this is really nice to have the stump right at our shooting position. I then looked down the lane to the targets in the distance. Lane is really not the correct word to describe the lane, it is more of a wilderness tunnel. A new spring growth canopy made an arch all the way to the targets and the sunlight was filtering in diagonally thru the leaves and cast a semi-dark green hue throughout. Any minute a lepracon should reveal himself. I thought boy, this is really nice. The 2 targets at 40 and 45 yards were mounted onto 2 HUGE beaver fallen trees. The targets are brand new freshly painted knockdowns. As I viewed them thru my scope I thought. Boy this is really nice. I then looked only 10 degrees to my right and cast my eyes onto the secluded and stocked fishing lake that runs along the entire length of this lane and I observed a Ma and Pa set of geese with 11 fur ball youngins swimming behind. I thought boy, this is really nice. After I took a few shots I thought to myself, it only takes me 15 minutes of driving time to get to this rifle club property. I thought boy, that's really nice. I then started to think about the upcoming field target shoot on Sunday and how all the guys meet at the practice range and start shooting the breeze and guns. WE then go out to this beautiful piece of preperty and shoot 15 lanes and 60 shots. ALL the lanes are nearly as nice as the one I described. I know it's gonna be a fun day. When the guys drive home at the end of the day, I know they will be saying ,"Boy, that was really nice."
Yo,
Don
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Re: I'd be interested in your thoughts on stopping power and small game.

Msg. 110990  Posted by MR Bulk� on May 12, 1999 at 17:13:52:

In Reply to: I'd be interested in your thoughts on stopping power and small game. posted by E Fudd on May 12, 1999 at 13:24:16:

Dear Elmer,

I have allowed kimchi to speak, but only because he is one of our rat shooting buddies - otherwise, ignore him.

It is my opinion lately that velocity has as much or more to do with stopping power as caliber. I always thought a too-fast pellet would zip right through the animal like a sewing needle, leaving little or no residual shock. But pellets are not needles. Recent forays shooting higher velocity guns have changed my impressions.

A pellet is a short, abrupt projectile with a cupped shape at the rear. The next time you are in your pool (or if you're like me, the next time you are in your bathtub), try holding a torpedo-shaped object upright just above the water with your hand beneath the water. Pull the object down into the water rapidly. Kinda of a swirling of the water's surface is all you get, maybe even a small "plop" when some air is drawn beneath the surface.

Now try doing the same thing using an upright CUP.

When you consider the cup's resulting effect on the water, you will get an idea of my theory on what a faster pellet does to the animal (we mammals, and probably most other animals, are all made up primarily of water, even them Wascally Wabbits). And the more slowly the cup is pulled under, the less of a disturbing effect is created.

If we used torpedo-shaped pellets I think the effects of velocity would be different.

So to answer your question - a smaller (.177) pellet traveling fast enough would probably do as much or more damage as a larger (.22 or .25) pellet moving significantly slower, IMHO.

No science, just anecdotal observation.

Thoughts, anyone?

MR Bulk�


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Re: Paul Watts home page

Msg. 110989  Posted by Forrest Gump on May 12, 1999 at 17:00:39:

In Reply to: Paul Watts home page posted by Darrell Scoggins on May 12, 1999 at 16:45:54:

i heard he was going out of buisness? Is it true?
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Re: Atmospherics and accuracy

Msg. 110988  Posted by LOU V.K. on May 12, 1999 at 17:00:12:

In Reply to: Atmospherics and accuracy posted by WJS/wi/usa on May 12, 1999 at 16:41:46:

At the ranges that we shoot air rifles in F.T. competition,I gravely doubt that the temperature,or,humidity has any effect on the point of impact changing. in my experience,the culprit is the aluminum body tube of the scope. In low temperatures,it shrinks,trying to pull the scope mounting rings closer together,and,changing the relationship of the internals of the scope. As the temperature rises,the scope grows in length,or,attempts to,causing a reverse condition to occur. I have seen zreo shifts that amounted to as much as 1"@50 yds..This sort of thing is maddening.I find that the lower price scopes do this more radically than do such as Leupold,Hakko,Nightforce,Burris,or B and L.
There once was a great bit of controversy about this ocurring to the Leupold EFR,boosted scopes,but not to the boosted non EFR models. I have one of each,and tend to agree that the boosted EFR *might* be subject to this,but,the non EFR has never shown me a zero shift. My Hakko's likewise are always spot on,as are my two Storey Custom 36X target scopes. My Redfield 3200's are another series that have always kept me in the black,unlike any of the Lyman Super Target Spots,which were in constant need of adjustment,as the temperature changed.
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Paul Watts home page

Msg. 110987  Posted by Darrell Scoggins on May 12, 1999 at 16:45:54:

could someone please put me in touch with Mr. Watts
home page
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Daisey, ( Gamo ) 126 variant

Msg. 110986  Posted by LOU V.K. on May 12, 1999 at 16:45:52:

At one time,Daisey advertised for sale a variant of the Gamo 126,with a very nice walnut 10M match rifle stock,Anschutz sight set,and the model # of 128. Jess Galen wrote about this variation as well. I have never seen one,and,have never heard of anyone who actually had seen one,much less owned one. Can any one document that they have even so much as seen one of these?
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Atmospherics and accuracy

Msg. 110985  Posted by WJS/wi/usa on May 12, 1999 at 16:41:46:

I read an interesting passage in the book "A Sniper in the Arizona" by John J. Culbertson recently.

"I want to make a few short observations about weather and how it impacts our shooting', Gunny Mitchell sat on the edge of the table in the front of the classroom. 'A drop in tempurature causes the air to become denser and more moist. A drop of twenty degrees at night necessitates an elevation adjustment of plus one MOA (minute of angle) for each hndred meters of range. A temperature inrease of twenty degrees from morning to afternnon requires a corresponding decrease in elevation on the shooter's sights."

Now they are discussing 308 rounds here but I'm wondering if there is any noticible effect on our type of shooting, especially FT ranges and velocities. Some matches I've gone to have been fairly cool in the A.M. when we sight in but warm up considerablly by the middle of the day and match.

Any thoughts?
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Hey Dave

Msg. 110984  Posted by LOU V.K. on May 12, 1999 at 16:33:18:

In Reply to: Re: Field Target Velocities ? posted by Dave Monck on May 12, 1999 at 15:53:51:

I have noticed in your postings that you are laboring under the mistaken notion that we have air rifle clubs on every road corner,as you have in the U.K.. The actual truth of the matter is that for most of us,it is a rather long journey to the nearest club where airguns are allowed. In my case,I belong to an indoor 'gallery' club,here in Grand Rapids,Michigan,where we shoot air rifles and pistols in a league,from November,until April,on each Monday evening. The nearest gun club where airguns are allowed is 157 miles away,at Western Wayne County Conservation Assn.,at rural Plymouth,Michigan.
For most shooters here in the 'colonies',they have no airgun club available to them,within several hundreds of miles.
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Re: Slingshot question

Msg. 110983  Posted by Marty Jones on May 12, 1999 at 16:27:36:

In Reply to: Slingshot question posted by E Fudd on May 12, 1999 at 14:40:42:

One of the problems with the traditional slingshot
is that part of your available "draw length" is
taken up by the length of the unstretched bands.
Several makers (Marksman comes to mind first)
have offered wrist-braced models with extended
forks just as you describe. They do indeed
improve performance for that exact reason; the
"draw" length can now be quite longer.

I have not seen the Beeman "in the flesh", but
at the Little Rock AG show I had a long conversation
with Robin about it. He currently has one coming
from his distributor, and has promised to email
me as soon as it arrives. The mechanical arrangement
should work similar to extended forks, provided
the wheels are low-mass and everything functions
smoothly. I've shot a number of extended-fork
models, but none of the wheeled versions. There
seem to have been several makers of these over
the years, but I don't know of a current one other
than the Beeman. Probably just not enough market
to warrant keeping it going. I'll buy one, though,
just for comparison :)

As an aside, I onced visited the workshop of a
man named Ron Sinclair out in Las Vegas. He was
selling what he advertised as the "world's most
powerful slingshot". It was a massive extended-
fork model with heavy surgical tubing. Because
of the heavy tubing, it could throw a substantial
weight (I tried some 0.662" lead balls I happened
to have with me) at moderate velocity, about 180
to 200 fps (my estimate). Efficiency seemed to
be limited by the large "universal" pouch he
was using, but it was certainly a "real man's"
weapon.

I can easily get over 15 foot-pounds from traditional
slingshots, and over 20 for extended-fork units.
My guess is that Ron was beating 25 foot-pounds
with heavy ammo. I don't know whether he is still
in business, as I visited him in 1987.

best regards,

Marty Jones

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Re: Lube 1 Questions

Msg. 110982  Posted by LOU V.K. on May 12, 1999 at 16:23:12:

In Reply to: Re: Lube 1 Questions posted by A-TEAM-RAY on May 12, 1999 at 12:55:27:

According to my notes,FP 10 evaporated,leaving a slightly gummy varnish,as well as,softening most of the commonly used 'o' rings that were in common use for transfer port seals at that time.I am reasonably sure that some of the more recently designed PCP,pump up,single stroke,and CO2 airguns have improved formulation in the specs for their seals.For you,this is not a serious problem,as I am certain that your guns internals are quite familiar to you. For a novice 'pressure gun' user,it could be a problem,as they must rely on some service technician to replace any seals that get gummy.
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Re: RWS 34 trigger Thanks Lou ;} nt

Msg. 110981  Posted by CJ on May 12, 1999 at 16:19:48:

In Reply to: Re: RWS 34 trigger posted by LOU V.K. on May 12, 1999 at 08:55:55:

nt
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Re: Daisy Precision model 126

Msg. 110980  Posted by CJ on May 12, 1999 at 16:17:13:

In Reply to: Re: Daisy Precision model 126 posted by LOU V.K. on May 12, 1999 at 12:31:30:

I had a 126 about 5 years ago nice for the price .
pretty heavy to nice stock,Trigger can be set very very light.
I was holding one hole groups at 10M no problem.
Price $280 at that time.

Lob'n lead

CJ
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Re: Beeman P-3....comments?

Msg. 110979  Posted by John M on May 12, 1999 at 16:01:03:

In Reply to: Beeman P-3....comments? posted by Mickey Z. on May 12, 1999 at 01:07:29:

I bought a Nemesis two years ago and use a lot in the house. This was before the P3 was introduced.
I shoot it as much as my FWB65 and with almost as good results at short distances. I am getting a shoulder brace from Pyramyd to use with it.
I think a single stroke pneumatic like the P2, P3 or the Nemesis is a great choice. I don't like having to keep buying CO2 refills.

Good luck


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Re: who makes the " steriod streak " amp; Supermax 1000?

Msg. 110978  Posted by DAS on May 12, 1999 at 16:00:53:

In Reply to: who makes the " steriod streak " amp; Supermax 1000? posted by Casey on May 12, 1999 at 14:02:16:

Mac-1 makes the Steroid Streak and those who are seeking a more sympathetic appology (as well as the other three "demands") for accidently bombing their embassy in Belgrade, make the Supermax 1000.

Dave

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Re: We definately have more hard core supporters, but...

Msg. 110977  Posted by Dave Monck on May 12, 1999 at 15:59:31:

In Reply to: We definately have more hard core supporters, but... posted by E Fudd on May 12, 1999 at 14:28:24:

Over here (England) web sites are filtered by the service provider to schools and colleges and also to home PC users - UNLESS YOU WRITE IN asking for the filters to be removed from your home PC. I did this - not because I wanted to visit porn sites, but because I was denied access to a couple of shooting / airgun sites here. Someone wrote " The cost of freedom is eternal vigilance".
Watch it - our Mr. Blair is a friend of Slick Willie's!
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Re: Field Target Velocities ?

Msg. 110975  Posted by Dave Monck on May 12, 1999 at 15:53:51:

In Reply to: Re: Field Target Velocities ? posted by Wade on May 12, 1999 at 10:18:34:

Over here in England we are limited to the dreaded 12 ft/lbs. which equates to around 800 fps in .177". Many years ago (well 10 to be precise) I shot a FT course with a tuned HW77 and cleared it.My gun was later chrono-ed at 670fps. It isn't power you need for FT it is precision -whether in spring or PCP. Tests we've done over here seem to indicate that the higher the power, the greater the shot to shot variation and it is that, that adds to inconsistency = groups get bigger!
Try a tuned gun at lower power at a club near you and see if your accuracy improves - chances are it will.

Regards.


DaveM

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This is an odd post coming from the " kid " .....nt

Msg. 110974  Posted by Ben Dover on May 12, 1999 at 15:38:07:

In Reply to: Giving replies without firsthand knowledge posted by Ric in AZ on May 11, 1999 at 22:16:06:

nt
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www.freeyellow/members6/goldentoller....(nt)

Msg. 110973  Posted by Steve B. on May 12, 1999 at 15:31:04:

In Reply to: What is the website for Golden Toller ? (nt) posted by Mike on May 12, 1999 at 01:39:24:

nt
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Re: Stock finishing..Thanks again Buddy NT

Msg. 110972  Posted by Sligh on May 12, 1999 at 15:18:31:

In Reply to: Stock finishing posted by LOU V.K. on May 12, 1999 at 09:18:49:

nt
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Re: Career 707

Msg. 110971  Posted by Geoff.R.C. on May 12, 1999 at 15:09:17:

In Reply to: Career 707 posted by Chris L on May 12, 1999 at 09:00:21:

Hi Chris,
yes is the answer to both your questions.If you are capable of stripping the career and can understand how and why the gun works,I can tell you how.Email me.
Geoff.
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Re: I'd be interested in your thoughts on stopping power and small game.

Msg. 110970  Posted by kimchi on May 12, 1999 at 14:46:52:

In Reply to: I'd be interested in your thoughts on stopping power and small game. posted by E Fudd on May 12, 1999 at 13:24:16:

E. Fudd,

Before I got my Crosman 600, I used a Crosman Mark I with a flashlight to shoot rats. It chrono'ed 400 fps and I was using Crosman Copperhead 14.3 grain wadcutters. From 10 yards I shot a rat facing sideways through the stomach and it died instantly. I think the wadcutters project more shock than domes or pointeds.

I've tried shooting empty 12 ounce cans with my 600 (wadcutters) and my Career (.22 Premiers). I can make the cans dance with the 600 but the Career's shot hardly makes it move. The 600 chronos at 500+ fps while the Career is set at 870 fps.

It's my opinion that it's all in shot placement but there is a slightly bigger margin of error in wadcutters. Of course you have to place that wadcutter in the vicinity.

kimchi
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Slingshot question

Msg. 110969  Posted by E Fudd on May 12, 1999 at 14:40:42:

In Reply to: Re: Giving replies without firsthand knowledge posted by Marty Jones on May 12, 1999 at 13:56:49:

I know you like traditional slingshots, but I was wondering if you had seen or were familiar with the Beeman "Crow Magnum" slingshot they now have in their catalog. What I'm wondering is if those pulleys up front really contribute to its velocity. It seems to me that moving the forks forward 6" should accomplish the same thing. What do you think?
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MReams,RYost,MChilko,other bigbore airgun fans

Msg. 110968  Posted by Jack Sullivan on May 12, 1999 at 14:32:12:

I would like to get in touch, to exchange information
with all private parties who participated in the
Damascus, MD big bore airgun shoot, including, but
not limited to these participants: Mike Reams,
Roger Yost, Bob and Mike Chilko. Any other people who
have built their own custom big bore airguns, please
respond too.

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We definately have more hard core supporters, but...

Msg. 110967  Posted by E Fudd on May 12, 1999 at 14:28:24:

In Reply to: Who's really winning this war? posted by Fearon Steele on May 12, 1999 at 14:09:40:

The majority either do not own guns, or do not shoot them, and think that something must be done to make them feel safe, (like giving up our liberties, sure worked for the Germans, Russians, Cubans, Cambodians, etc...). Comparing the number of web sites is rather meaningless. Pornography must have universal public support if web sites are any indication of it.
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Scope Mount For IZH 61?

Msg. 110966  Posted by Peter on May 12, 1999 at 14:28:07:

Can any one reccommend a scope moun/base for a IZH 61. Looking at the gun it would appear that "they" forgot to grove the receiver forward of the loading port/ magazine. Consequently the groved base behind the "magazine" has a very short rail and conventional rings do not work. It needs some kind of riser system/base perhaps?

TIA
Peter
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Re: What are the rules in other states for airgun hunting

Msg. 110965  Posted by Chris Ewald on May 12, 1999 at 14:11:04:

In Reply to: What are the rules in other states for airgun hunting posted by Conrad (SJ CA) on May 12, 1999 at 03:08:46:

In Wisconsin, the abreviated (sp) regulations state that an airgun (thats as specific as they get, thankfully) can be used for anything you might use a rimfire pistol for. Again, this is from the pamphlet that you get free with your license. I don't know how the statute reads. It doesn't specifically exclude "BB-guns" nor does it specifically include big-bore, high energy PCPs. In a way this is good. The more specific a law gets, the less flexible.
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Who's really winning this war?

Msg. 110964  Posted by Fearon Steele on May 12, 1999 at 14:09:40:

Last night I thought I would check out our opponents anti gun sights on the web. I must say I was impressed, we seem to have them outnumbered about 3 to 1 in cyberspace! Apparently the sites say that about 60% of the populus support gun control, but it's hard to tell when they throw in questions like, "should people be able to own bazookas." I would like to see a non biased sight for some real info.

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who makes the " steriod streak " amp; Supermax 1000?

Msg. 110963  Posted by Casey on May 12, 1999 at 14:02:16:

who makes the "steriod streak" & Supermax 1000?
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R1 Ultra Glide Mag 80 kit

Msg. 110961  Posted by JW on May 12, 1999 at 14:01:20:

Does anyone know if JM's Ultra Glide Mag 80 tune is it the same as the Laza Glide Mag 80 tune described in the Tom Gaylord's R1 book?
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Re: Giving replies without firsthand knowledge

Msg. 110960  Posted by Marty Jones on May 12, 1999 at 13:56:49:

In Reply to: Re: Giving replies without firsthand knowledge posted by E Fudd on May 12, 1999 at 01:41:21:

Fudd,

I agree with your statement about not needing
firsthand experience to provide (sometimes
detailed) technical answers. On the other
hand, there are many things that definitely
require that you "been there" and "seen that".

Unfortunately, the "desire to contribute",
as Todd so aptly puts it, can make individuals
at both extremes stray beyond their bounds.

As an example, anyone with a basic background
in engineering or thermo can figure out whether
you can get liquid CO2 inside a closed container
by filling it with dry ice and letting it warm
to room temp. Yet, when this discussion raged
a couple of months back, I was amazed to see
airgun "experts" putting forth gospel testimony
on a subject about which, from their postings, they
were clearly in the dark.

These same experts regularly hold court on
whether a CO2 GUN can achieve certain
performance with valve modifications, and
quite rightfully lambast others for "shooting
from the lip" with unqualified hearsay.

Just goes to show, you have to consider your
sources - regardless of whether the information
is technically- or experience-related.

best regards,

Marty Jones

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Re: Yen is 120.6 yen to the dollar

Msg. 110958  Posted by DAS on May 12, 1999 at 13:40:41:

In Reply to: Yen is 120.6 yen to the dollar posted by Mac1 on May 09, 1999 at 00:24:13:

Answers:

No, but plenty of others have. I have this data plotted in Excel and can email it to you (or anyone else) if you like. The .22 cal. Ace Hunter beats your .22 cal. Steroid by about 2.5 ft.lbs or 50 fps at 10 pumps with 14.3 grain premiers.

My magic number is my business, not yours. And, the $ to yen exchange rate isn't the only factor under consideration. I'll decide when and if the time is right. Though I hope to place a special order, it may not happen either.

I'll push, tout, praise or promote anything I so happen to like whether I sell that product or not.

My customers don't need to regularly pump Ace Hunters or Innovas 10X as they are more than powerfull enough at less pumps. 8 pumps will give you the same performance as 10 on your .22 cal. steroid with 14.3 grain pellets. More power, less work.

I suppose that you have data that confirms your assertion that 10 pumps frys the seals in Sharps? If not, get some because my data suggests otherwise. In the 3 years that I have imported Sharp Aces and Innovas, I have never had a single one returned for any reason, including failed seals. Can you say that about your Steroid? Do you have as much history as I do? I doubt it.

And, you will never know how "rugged" either rifle is unless you put several of each through a controlled experiment and obtain some real data. I don't doubt the durability of your billet lever, though the ones used on Ace Hunters are quite sturdy and I have never seen one fail.

So there! The balls in your court Tim.

Dave

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How do you download the BMP versions?(nt)

Msg. 110957  Posted by Martinl on May 12, 1999 at 13:38:36:

In Reply to: Computer Print-out Targets posted by Eric Field on May 09, 1999 at 08:32:39:

x
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Re: RWS 34 as Starter

Msg. 110956  Posted by E Fudd on May 12, 1999 at 13:31:37:

In Reply to: RWS 34 as Starter posted by Jamie Hailer on May 10, 1999 at 17:24:29:

I think it's a good choice. Pretty good value for the money, and if you decide you want a bigger gun later there's no reason to get rid of it. You'll find that most of the airgunners here started out with Benjamins and Crosmans and RWS 34's and rather than replacing those guns we have just added to our collections.
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Re: R1 SPRING - BENJAMIN 347 TUNE UP

Msg. 110955  Posted by The Airgun Letter on May 12, 1999 at 13:28:33:

In Reply to: R1 SPRING - BENJAMIN 347 TUNE UP posted by RANGER on May 11, 1999 at 23:20:12:

You wrote:
THE SPRING IN MY R1 177 HAS TAKEN A CANT AND I WOULD LIKE TO REPLACE IT. ANY SUGGESTIONS AS TO A GOOD REPLACEMENT SPRING OR TUNE-UP KIT TO USE? THE GUN IS USED FOR INFORMAL TARGET AND PLINKING AND THE OCCASIONAL BLACKBIRD. I AM CONSIDERING THE BEEMAN LAZER KIT. ALSO, I HAVE A 1969 BENJAMIN PUMP THAT NEEDS NEW SEALS OR MORE- I WOULD LIKE TO GET IT BACK IN GOOD SHOOTING CONDITION.
====================
You can get your R1 tuned by a tuner or do it yourself, providing you have a mainspring compressor (you can build one yourself). There are several different types of mainsprings you can use to replace the manufacturer's:

Replace it with another Weihrauch spring
Beeman Laser spring kit
Venom spring
Theoben gas spring
Vortek gas spring

Tunes and replacement springs are available from Airgunwerks, Beeman, John Groenewold, Maccari, Mac-1 and Vortek. Each will sell their own thing and provide you with what they think works best in your gun.

If you're interested, we have a book available about the R1 - "The Beeman R1 Supermagnum Air Rifle" by Tom Gaylord. We bought a stock R1 (in .22) and broke it in according to the manufacturer's suggestion and then tuned the gun 4 different ways. The book also provides plans to build a mainspring compressor. The link below will take you to additional info on our book.

Regarding the seals for your Benjamin - you could probably get them from Rick at Precision Pellet. You can send the gun to them for repair and I also believe you can simply buy a seal from Rick and reseal your own gun (if you like to work on your own guns). Check our Airgun Resources Web page for contact info.

Edith Gaylord
The Airgun Letter
staff@null.null
http://www.airgunletter.null
http://www.airgunletter.com

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I'd be interested in your thoughts on stopping power and small game.

Msg. 110954  Posted by E Fudd on May 12, 1999 at 13:24:16:

In Reply to: Re: Rat Busting With MR Bulk� posted by MR Bulk� on May 12, 1999 at 06:41:51:

I assume you've killed rats with just about every type of airgun and pellet combination. What are your thoughts on the best pellets, guns, velocities, etc... for rats and other small game?
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Re: Vintage Benjamine

Msg. 110953  Posted by DAS on May 12, 1999 at 13:03:49:

In Reply to: Re: Vintage Benjamine posted by Tim on May 12, 1999 at 12:24:01:

Made in the 1950's through the late 60's.

Dave

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Re: Lube 1 Questions

Msg. 110952  Posted by A-TEAM-RAY on May 12, 1999 at 12:55:27:

In Reply to: Re: Lube 1 Questions posted by LOU V.K. on May 12, 1999 at 12:18:17:

Sounds good so far and I definitely will try it. Out of curiousity what were the results from that test with FP10. Any effect on the seals/o-rings? I know that FP10 does evaporate but it leaves a waxy film that I have always thought left the barrel protected and in 1 or 2 shots the barrel was back to normal and I have not been able to detect any detriment to accuracy. What have you noticed with FP10? Are there problems that I am not aware of? I know it has been used longer than any other lube except maybe now for Lube 1.

Ray from ~ The �A� Team
(914-896-9792)
A-TEAM-RAY == > ateamray@null.null

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Re: Looking for Valve Body Air Arms 100 series

Msg. 110951  Posted by LOU V.K. on May 12, 1999 at 12:42:28:

In Reply to: Re: Looking for Valve Body Air Arms 100 series posted by ewoodie on May 12, 1999 at 10:32:15:

Please tell him that 'The Fat Hollander ' from Grand Rapids,Michigan said hello.

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Re: Daisy Precision model 126

Msg. 110950  Posted by LOU V.K. on May 12, 1999 at 12:31:30:

In Reply to: Re: Daisy Precision model 126 posted by NT on May 12, 1999 at 10:39:40:

Is this the same Daisey,( made by Gamo of Spain ),10 meter olympic match rifle that I have two of? I have yet to find one anywhere nearly as inexpensive as $89.00,nor,that will produce velocities over about 585 fps.. The accuracy looks like the sort of thing that this model is capable of,though. I,also have never heard a 126 called a "little rifle".

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Re: Vintage Benjamine

Msg. 110949  Posted by Tim on May 12, 1999 at 12:24:01:

In Reply to: Re: Vintage Benjamine posted by DAS on May 12, 1999 at 10:23:06:

Any idea of the age on this gun based on the #and style.
It is a .177 Cal single shot.
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Re: Lube 1 Questions

Msg. 110948  Posted by LOU V.K. on May 12, 1999 at 12:18:17:

In Reply to: Lube 1 Questions posted by A-TEAM-RAY on May 12, 1999 at 10:12:38:


Several years ago,at the urging of Bob Peiser,who was at that time,not only the secretary/treasurer,but,also the editor of the AAFTA Newsletter,i did a series of tests of various lubricants for the coating of pellets. I poured a quantity of each lube,( over 25 different ),in pellet tins,placed one of each known formulation of 'O' ring,which was at that time in used in all of the popular 'gas' guns into each of the tins,placed all of them in a dustproof,but,well ventilated cab.null,and inspected them at weekly intervals. My airgun hunting buddy,Randy Salik,who is service mgr. for a large air compressor and air handling dealership,suggested Lube 1,by Slick 50,so,it was included in the testing. After a lengthy stay in the test tins,the lube which showed no evaporation,varnishing,discoloration,etc.,and had not in any way affected any of the seals was Lube 1. I wrote an article for the AAFTA News,showing my findings,and,the rest is history.Most of the PCP shooters on this side of the pond use it by choice. In the U.K. this product is not available,at last inquiry,thus they use primarily,Lubritechnic,or,Napier oil.Neither of which is as good as Lube 1,as both of the british lubes cause a build up of varnish,over a period of time,which means that the bore must be scrubbed periodically. In my testing,the Napier product softened the commonly used 'o' rings used as transfer port seals in the majority of the rifles on the market at that time.
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Mr. Fudd...

Msg. 110947  Posted by Ric in AZ on May 12, 1999 at 12:16:20:

In Reply to: Re: Giving replies without firsthand knowledge posted by E Fudd on May 12, 1999 at 01:41:21:

I agree with you wholeheartedly. I am not implying that those who know something shouldn't share it, but instead I am saying be careful how it is said. Recommending a gun to a newby is just that: a recommendation. But when specific technical advice is given second hand it can be miscontrued and falsely reported. This is what I am trying to avoid. Of course one can choose to ignore posts that are B.S. but what about someone who is new to the sport who doesn't know the difference? Opinions on this forum are welcome, but to have an opinion some kind of experience is necessary. How can a person say that an RWS 54 is a bad choice when said person hhas never seen, shot, nor owned one? As to your comment about the "experts" making educated guesses... I have also seen this, but the difference is that the "experts" have a foundation to base their replies on, expertise, hence the title expert. When someone like RB answers a question that he doesn't know about from firsthand, he usually says that. He will then give an EDUCATED opinion, and a reference to someone who HAS had firsthand experience. I have read a lot of posts on this forum, and I have learned a lot. I value everyones opinion unless it is something that they "heard about". I don't feel hearsay should be spread as the gospel. I hope I haven't offended anyone. By the way, E. Fudd, I have read many of your postings and have benefitted from them. I welcome any thoughts or opinions.
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Re: SCUBA TANKS...compressor

Msg. 110946  Posted by stu on May 12, 1999 at 12:08:15:

In Reply to: SCUBA TANKS... posted by Adam on May 11, 1999 at 23:48:21:

Check out who your local BAUER compressor dealer is. They make a small compressor for di
vers. I'm not sure what it sells for, but Bauer has been the leader in diving compressors.

I have no affiliation with this company, but I breathe the air the put into my tanks!

stu
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Red Dot Sights

Msg. 110945  Posted by John Z on May 12, 1999 at 11:52:10:

I would like to pick up a red dot sight for my son's air rifle. I don't want to spend a lot of money....but am getting confused as to what, in your opinions, would be a best buy. I don't want to buy a piece of junk. We will usually be shooting between 15 and 40 yards, so I am not sure if the size of the dot will be an impact.

Whatever suggestions you might have would really be appreciated.......as well as if someone out there has one for sale. Thanks again.....


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Re: Go ahead - RUB IT IN!!! Careers Rule!!!!!!!

Msg. 110944  Posted by Robert Hamilton on May 12, 1999 at 11:15:41:

In Reply to: Re: Go ahead - RUB IT IN!!! Careers Rule!!!!!!! posted by Anthony Storey on May 11, 1999 at 19:58:52:

Hi Mr. B:
Well, Tom Jue has a .25 cal Career707 and he let me blow holes in some steel drink cans. It has a sharp recoil to it at the higher powers. The recoil seems to all be backwards like a f.arm as opposed to the back & forwards springer recoil.
Robert Hamilton
p.s. To the gent with a R1 needing a new spring....you have choices:
(1) replace with a stock HW spring via Beeman's.
(2) replace with a Maccari spring (he has three...a 12 ft/lb spring, a 'strong' spring (a bit over stock power and a magnum spring...best for .20+ cal).
(3) a Venom spring kit (12 ft/lb and more powerful springs)
The thing to remember with power and springers is that there is no free power...more power, more recoil. The more recoil, often the harder to have good user accuracy. I've got a Maccari 'strong' spring in my .177 R1 and it does 16.5--17 ft/lbs in that caliber.
Robert Hamilton
p.s. Hi Conrad, good luck on the CA hunting regs. efforts.

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Re: Straightshooters web site

Msg. 110943  Posted by John M on May 12, 1999 at 11:08:00:

In Reply to: Re: Straightshooters web site posted by RBest on May 11, 1999 at 23:33:47:

Thanks for all the feedback. I also heard from Dave Slade at Airgunwerks that he has the same problem using AOL at Straight Shooters. I will try IE to see if that helps.
Mark, I may even have to go back to my MAC!!. See you Sunday.


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Re: When is St. Louis show? June 5 - link to airgun shows page inside (NT)

Msg. 110942  Posted by The Airgun Letter on May 12, 1999 at 11:06:45:

In Reply to: When is St. Louis show? posted by Darrell Scoggins on May 12, 1999 at 10:44:42:

Edith Gaylord
The Airgun Letter
staff@null.null
http://www.airgunletter.null
http://www.airgunletter.com

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Re: Lube 1 Questions

Msg. 110941  Posted by Marty Jones on May 12, 1999 at 10:46:23:

In Reply to: Lube 1 Questions posted by A-TEAM-RAY on May 12, 1999 at 10:12:38:

I started using 1-Lube at the suggestion of Russ
Best, when I got my first precharge gun. Around
here it is available from a number of auto-parts
as well as department stores. The manufacturer
is Slick 50, I usually get the non-aerosol pump
can from Wal-Mart.

My method of use is to just pump one drop onto
the inside lid of a pellet tin. I then dab my
fingertip into this drop before picking up pellets,
and "roll" them to coat the outside as I place
them in the magazine. This keeps the lube from
getting all over anything else.

best regards,

Marty Jones

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When is St. Louis show?

Msg. 110940  Posted by Darrell Scoggins on May 12, 1999 at 10:44:42:

(NT)
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Re: Daisy Precision model 126

Msg. 110939  Posted by NT on May 12, 1999 at 10:39:40:

In Reply to: Daisy Precision model 126 posted by mark on May 11, 1999 at 21:40:04:

Great little rifle 650 fps with rws hobbies.

mine at 33ft lays one on top of another, ctc .30
offhand. Have never benched it! Mine was $89 new,
probably spent to much. Trigger has lenght of travel
adjustment only.
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Typhoon air compressor

Msg. 110938  Posted by The Airgun Letter on May 12, 1999 at 10:34:22:

In Reply to: Re: SCUBA TANKS... posted by RBest on May 12, 1999 at 00:31:48:

With shipping and insurance, I think the price will be around $1400 for a Typhoon air compressor. They're available from Dave at Air Rifle Specialists. If I'm not mistaken, they're also going to be carried by RWS and available through their dealers - probably the ones who carry the Career guns, too.

Follow the link below to the Airgun Resources Web page for a link to Dave's Web site - there you'll find a picture and a full description (along with retail pricing) of the Typhoon compressor.

Edith Gaylord
The Airgun Letter
staff@null.null
http://www.airgunletter.null
http://www.airgunletter.com

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Re: Looking for Valve Body Air Arms 100 series

Msg. 110937  Posted by ewoodie on May 12, 1999 at 10:32:15:

In Reply to: Re: Looking for Valve Body Air Arms 100 series posted by LOU V.K. on May 11, 1999 at 07:58:01:

thanks, he will look this weekend for me by a FT shoot
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Re: Lube 1 Questions

Msg. 110936  Posted by Wade on May 12, 1999 at 10:28:18:

In Reply to: Lube 1 Questions posted by A-TEAM-RAY on May 12, 1999 at 10:12:38:

Ray, the manuf. is Slick 50 under the name of
One (1) Lube. It is found in these parts almost
exclusivly at Auto Zone Auto Parts. It is a 16 oz.
spray can or is some cases can be found in a non
aerisol pump. It does not dry nor does it stain
or smell. I dump what I will be shooting into a
pellet tin (snuff box - you've seen them) and
spray them enough to coat them well. Not drenching
but well coated. There will obviously be oil on
your hands and loading area as does FP10, but it
is not anything like the staining, smelling and
shelacing that FP10 causes. Once you go there, Ray,
you'll never go back - guaranteed! Wade
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Re: Double-talk?

Msg. 110935  Posted by jcbii on May 12, 1999 at 10:27:09:

In Reply to: Re: Double-talk? posted by Rich on May 12, 1999 at 01:20:08:

But in a way, your post also re-emphasizes the point that ToddN made in regards to Martin L.'s post. I just read the original post again - he was asking a "question", not "flaming". There is a difference between the two.
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Re: Vintage Benjamine

Msg. 110934  Posted by DAS on May 12, 1999 at 10:23:06:

In Reply to: Vintage Benjamine posted by TIM on May 12, 1999 at 08:16:18:

The single shot models were:

310: BB cal.
312: .22 cal.
317: .177 cal.

Above models are very common.

If it is a repeater, it might be a model 3100.

Dave

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RWS/Diana 28

Msg. 110933  Posted by Earl on May 12, 1999 at 10:22:43:

I have an RWS model 28 that needs a little help. Firing behavior is very rough and gun is very hold sensitive. Is there a DIY tune kit out there for this one? I don't know how popular they were, so interest may be very low. Trigger adjustment has two screws. Can anyone tell me which one does what? The trigger is plastic and is particularly annoying because it moves both back, and up. Thanks in advance for the help.
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Very Old Spring Gun

Msg. 110932  Posted by Joey on May 12, 1999 at 10:18:38:

I have an old spring gun The only name on the gun is TELL,,wrighten in script on the top of the barrel there is a serial # on the reciever and barrel that match The gun was made with a wood stock no forarm.It has a semi octogan barrel and is rifled.Does anyone now about this gun and what its worth? thank you for your time Joey
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Re: Field Target Velocities ?

Msg. 110931  Posted by Wade on May 12, 1999 at 10:18:34:

In Reply to: Field Target Velocities ? posted by Chip Gibbs on May 12, 1999 at 08:14:11:

I have a MKV tuned by Paul Watts that shoots a
cp7.9 @ 940. That may not be typical of them all
but I would venture to say that it wouldn't be
much difference. The tune will smooth out the
firing cycle and although the velocity may de-
crease, the follow through and ability to hit
smaller targets becomes more achievable. In FT,
it is not so much the power of the gun as it is
the finess of the gun. PCP guns actually have
recoil and the faster you shoot them, the more
recoil they also have. Many other factors are
in the mix for accuracy but recoil is one that
is always the first one to try and reduce. Wade
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Lube 1 Questions

Msg. 110930  Posted by A-TEAM-RAY on May 12, 1999 at 10:12:38:

I really like to use FP10 on my pellets as this has worked for a very long time and when something works so well I am a little leary of change. I have come into a situation where I would like to try this new Lube but don't know anything about it.

Where do I purchase it?

What is it's proper name and Manufacturer?

How is it used?

I think it is a spray, If so how long does it take to dry, if you let it dry?

Does it leave a residue on your hands when handling pellets?

Can I still not clean my barrels as I am now accostomed to doing or will I need to clean them?

If it is a spray do I stand the pellets up and spray them or doesn't it matter?

Will a low heat (100 deg) in a oven promote drying?

Does it attack the seals of a precharge?

Can it be used on pellets for a spring gun?

Are there any questions I should be asking that I have over looked and what is the answer to those questions?

Thanks in advance

Ray from ~ The �A� Team
(914-896-9792)
A-TEAM-RAY == > ateamray@null.null

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Re: Hey Lou and Anthony?

Msg. 110929  Posted by Anthony Storey on May 12, 1999 at 10:05:48:

In Reply to: Re: Hey Lou and Anthony? posted by Steve Parker on May 11, 1999 at 23:53:26:


I have not tried them in an AR6 just Careers.They shoot under 1 inch @ 50 yards for me out of a Career at 875.Lou says they shoot even better than that out of his King Hunting Master
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Re: Go ahead - RUB IT IN!!! Careers Rule!!!!!!!

Msg. 110928  Posted by A-TEAM-RAY on May 12, 1999 at 10:00:07:

In Reply to: Re: Go ahead - RUB IT IN!!! Careers Rule!!!!!!! posted by Anthony Storey on May 11, 1999 at 19:58:52:

Anthony if it wasn't for you I may have never bought a Career. When you told me about the little plastic army men you guys were shooting at 70 plus yards I was convinced it was accuate. But then when you were shooting it in competition that is what really brought me around.

Now to give credit where it is do. The free floating that we do was originally your idea 6 months before we actually did it. I remember our telephone conversation when I didn't think it could be done. And then came the Carbines that need the surgury. I may not have thought of the cure if it were not for our conversations over the past few years. Also the power wheel locking screw that we use was first seen on Anthony's Career at the 98 Nationals. We now use it on every Career before we even start shooting it. We have bought 3 and now the 4th Career from you Anthony and thank you for the good service and the pleasure that they have brought for without your input I may never have bought the first one.

As Far as powering down the targets is concerned you are right. Will power knocks them down every time. I know they are going to fall and they do. Having total faith in your equipment is paramount. I have both my P70 and Career rifle set up shooting the same pellet, at the same velocity, with the same scope, and the same reticle, (I had the reticle's on the Nightforce 36's changed). When I pickup either gun my mind sees the same thing every time. I don't mentally know the difference between the 2 guns during range finding, target acquisition, wind drift or sight picture. The guns balance pretty much the same also. They are the same. That's why I can go from one gun to the other without a problem. The only thing I need to do is remind my muscle memory in regards to the trigger. That's it. The extra 5% effort it takes to shoot the Career in Field Target has become second nature and now when I shoot my primary gun it is even easier. The power you mention to take down the targets is in the mind. It's in the visualization and knowing that its a done deal. At the last match I made a mistake that made me miss the very first 2 shots and it took me till the half way point to figure it out. I have now updated my mental procedure as to never make that mistake again. I have to keep a few secrets so I won't give away what the mistake was. I then shot 52 straight in a row before missing the first of the double taps on that treachorous off hand shot that only 6 shots at the whole match connected with. I made the second shot but Earl Brooks pointed out that on the first shot I was trying to hard and was thinking too much. That made it unnatural and I missed it. I finished up by not missing the rest of that final lane. Anyone can get to this level of shooting but they must setup there equipment correctly and must total trust that equipment. The setting up the equipment correctly we have tried to help with in the form of our document folder. Some of the documents are there just so people can set up there equipment reliablyand consistently. The parallax document for example. If followed to the letter all parallax is eliminated at all ranges and the scope is totally reliable for that one shooter. A scope needs to be setup for the eyes of the primamry shooter. Just remember to setup the scope with the same pair of glasses you will use when shooting with the scope. I always use the same pair of glasses for all my shooting and that adds to the consistency.

In the Career the accuracy is there, it is inexpensive and it is fun to shot in any discipline. I have been taunting people to try to shoot them more often at Field Target Matchs because they don't realize the level at which these inexpensive and accurate guns can compete. I owe it all to you, Anthony, from way back when you got me hooked. THANKS

Ray from ~ The �A� Team
(914-896-9792)
A-TEAM-RAY == > ateamray@null.null

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Re: Open mouth--- change feet. An apology.

Msg. 110927  Posted by Jim on May 12, 1999 at 09:48:45:

In Reply to: Open mouth--- change feet. An apology. posted by RBest on May 11, 1999 at 22:20:52:


Russ,

I respect the said parties as well.

My question is and its serious;

Air Arms does NOT pay for warranty repairs and or return shipping. I have tons of spares, most made by me or paid for. However to lead the consumer to believe he will get FREE repairs is wrong. I will repair guns purchased through me, as that is only fair and its a service I must provide.

But to lure a person in for warranty work to get extra business is wrong, I hope this is not whats going on. BTW, factory seals on some guns are of little use replacing, they are not made correctly to begin with. To reinstall a faulty part is no favor at all. Thats what special spec means. When we see things like this, we supply the factory with our own upgraded spares.

These are the questions one must ask themselves. Also does the warranty repair station have the real knowledge on how to repair these guns or do they use this byline as a badge of honor. BTW, Russ I knew it was a joke!
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Bravo!!!!!!!!!!! Well said Rich.

Msg. 110926  Posted by LOU V.K. on May 12, 1999 at 09:39:43:

In Reply to: Re: Double-talk? posted by Rich on May 12, 1999 at 01:20:08:


Rich beat me to the response on this one.he stated what I intended,but,much better than I did.
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Re: As far as I know, there are no Tanker Carbines avail. for sale at this time.

Msg. 110925  Posted by Al on May 12, 1999 at 09:28:34:

In Reply to: As far as I know, there are no Tanker Carbines avail. for sale at this time. posted by The Airgun Letter on May 11, 1999 at 09:59:46:

Edith:

Don't know if it was for sale. But dave did have one at the Syracuse gun show in April.

Al
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Re: Marksman Mod 70, .177

Msg. 110924  Posted by Al on May 12, 1999 at 09:19:02:

In Reply to: Marksman Mod 70, .177 posted by Glenn on May 11, 1999 at 21:54:54:

Glenn:

The Marksman 70 in an excellent gun. It is a BSF design that was produced by HW. The design was the basis of the R10. Early Marksmans produced in the old BSF facility have a two stage trigger ; the later ones made in the HW factory have Record triggers. Both of mine ( also have the .22 cal version ) seem quite accurate at 40 yards. I use FTS pellets in both with good results. Like the low ( 24lb ) cocking effort. HTH.

Al
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Stock finishing

Msg. 110923  Posted by LOU V.K. on May 12, 1999 at 09:18:49:

I recently posted a recipe for finishing,or,refinishing wooden gunstocks. This recipe has been tried by several accomplished woodworkers,who seem to like it quite well,but,I have been receiving telephone and e-mail requests for additional instructions pertaining to the use of this formula.
The recipe is as follows;
mix equal part of mineral spirits,not the unscented type,
boiled linseed oil,( for dark colored woods ),or,tung oil ( for light colored woods ),
Either oil based polyurethane varnish,or,marine spar varnish.
The mixture is to be flooded on to the well prepared surface,allowed to soak in for about 30 minutes,but, not long enough to get very tacky. It should now be scrubbed off with high quality paper towelling,until all of the excess is removed from the surface. This application must be allowed to cure for at least 24 hours,or more,if in high humidity,then,repeated at least two times,to soak the surface well. When the surface is well soaked,and,also well cured,start rubbing with the bare fingers a drop at a time,spreading each drop as far as possible. Cure time on these VERY THIN applications is a bit quicker than the soaked in applications. These rubbed in coatings will build up to an unusually deep,fine finish,which is very easily repaired with a drop or two rubbed into any scratch or haze,so,be certain to either remember the exact formula,or,save some in a well sealed can,using glass marbles dropped into the partially filled can,to take up any space,as this will keep the mixture from setting up in the can. I hope that this resolves some of the questions that many have had on this subject.
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Re: SCUBA TANKS...

Msg. 110922  Posted by A-TEAM-RAY on May 12, 1999 at 09:16:00:

In Reply to: SCUBA TANKS... posted by Adam on May 11, 1999 at 23:48:21:

Adam you can do what we did which is to buy a 100 cubic foot 3500-psi Scuba Tank. Then we cascade as the other posters have mentioned. What this means is fill your gun as high as you can with your regular tank and then top it off to 3000 with the 3500 tank. We have 2 3500 tanks and one 3000 tank and often cascade from all three. The air lasts much longer then. When the lowest 3500 tank gets down to 2500 or so it gets filled and becomes the high pressure tank. Some where along the line we end up taking all three in for a fill eventually but we almost always get full charges into our guns. When we don't then we top off with our Axor pumps or just shoot less shots off the charge. I know how many shots I get from each gun at each charge pressure before coming off the reg. We always strive for charging before coming off the reg to maintain consistency in our shots. When we miss it's us, not our equipment.

Ray from ~ The �A� Team
(914-896-9792)
A-TEAM-RAY == > ateamray@null.null

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Re: What is the website for Golden Toller ? (nt)

Msg. 110921  Posted by jrk on May 12, 1999 at 09:12:20:

In Reply to: What is the website for Golden Toller ? (nt) posted by Mike on May 12, 1999 at 01:39:24:

Go to the top of this page, click on "The Airgun Letter" then scroll down that page, click on "Web Links" and finally scroll down the list to "Golden Toller"

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Re: Record Championship Target Pistol?

Msg. 110920  Posted by Al on May 12, 1999 at 09:05:54:

In Reply to: Record Championship Target Pistol? posted by joe on May 12, 1999 at 06:20:21:

The FB Record Champion pistol is made in W. Germany . Was imported by Great Lakes Airguns ( as of last years catalog ). Price new was about $140. HTH.

Al
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Career 707

Msg. 110919  Posted by Chris L on May 12, 1999 at 09:00:21:

Anyone know the difference between the full power version and the UK restricted ( 12ftlb )
of the 707.
can it be up-rated without new components ?
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Re: RWS 34 trigger

Msg. 110918  Posted by LOU V.K. on May 12, 1999 at 08:55:55:

In Reply to: RWS 34 trigger posted by CJ on May 11, 1999 at 19:44:15:


Tom Gore,owner of Vortek,failed to inform the airgunning world that the internal trigger parts for the 34-36-38,are the same as those for the 48-52-54.
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Re: Good Advice but one step further .....

Msg. 110917  Posted by LOU V.K. on May 12, 1999 at 08:45:01:

In Reply to: Good Advice but one step further ..... posted by H. Todd on May 11, 1999 at 23:33:38:


I beg to differ,Hawley. You have become a real expert in some ways,in the field of high grade airguns,riflescopes and smallbore firearms. Your expert advice is highly regarded,per the values,usability,ergonomics,and hunting performance of such. Don't put yourself down so strongly. Your advice is highly regarded,and,should be sought by novice airgunners who wish to enter the field of high grade guns.
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Re: Giving replies without firsthand knowledge: lack of knowedge never stoped my opinions ;) NT

Msg. 110916  Posted by LOU V.K. on May 12, 1999 at 08:36:07:

In Reply to: Re: Giving replies without firsthand knowledge: lack of knowedge never stoped my opinions ;) NT posted by M Boyle on May 12, 1999 at 04:39:08:

Opinions are like hind ends,( Edith please note that I was cautious with my verbage ),everyone has one. These can be diametrically opposed to what is actual fact,but,if stated as opinions,they will be accepted as such. When a statement is made,which is purported to be fact,inexperience,( lack of knowledge ) can be very misleading to those novices who are trying to discover the truth about the subject at hand.In these cases,only experienced,expert *FACT* should be imparted. There are many postings on this forum that I don't feel qualified to respond to,as I have never experienced whatever the posting pertains to,thus,I leave those postings for others who DO have that particular experience. An example of this is almost anything pertaining to any of the lower grade,( non olympic quality ) CO2 rifles or pistols,and multi pumps. I have virtually zero experience with such things,thus,I leave responses pertaining to such to MAC 1,DAS,etc.,as they are experts in those fields.
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BSA Question

Msg. 110915  Posted by BW37 on May 12, 1999 at 08:28:20:

I just received my new Goldstar from PSI (in 1 day).
It is a beautiful gun, but the instructions are very vague.
I can't figure out if I can load/unload the magazine without
cocking the gun. I haven't had it outside yet, but I wanted to
remove the empty magazine that was shipped in the gun, but I don't want to
cock it to do so. Am I missing something? Yes, I am a
first time springer owner (if you haven't figured it out
from my question).
Thanks.
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Re: Webley Tune

Msg. 110914  Posted by Sam Rose on May 12, 1999 at 08:22:41:

In Reply to: Re: Webley Tune posted by Mark Lemm on May 10, 1999 at 13:27:28:

Hi Mark-
May I inquire as to the cost of the Gas Ram job on the Vulcan. I have one that's almost 20 years old, and I would like a bit more consistency/accuracy from it, and a little more power wouldn't hurt. Thanks
Sam
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Vintage Benjamine

Msg. 110913  Posted by TIM on May 12, 1999 at 08:16:18:

I received an old benjamine from my grand father
I don't know how old it is or the model #
The serial # is H75547 It has a screw adjust for the
rear site, and side safety that is actually a hammer stop not atrigger
lock.

Does anyone know anything about this gun???

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Field Target Velocities ?

Msg. 110912  Posted by Chip Gibbs on May 12, 1999 at 08:14:11:


I have a new TX 200 mk5 that I am using for
Field Target as well as hunting. It is currently
shooting at arround 970 fps.
I am looking to have it tuned but am concerned
about the drop in velocity which most FT tunes
bring the gun to { arround 870 fps}.
Can someone explain the advantage of the lower
velocity for FT.. I have allready cleaned the
internals and done a basic Tar and moly tune and
the gun seems to hit even harder now. I guess I
will have to get a Chrono.

Thanks
Chip
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Re: RWS 36 Exploded View Diagram- Forget it!

Msg. 110911  Posted by Sam Rose on May 12, 1999 at 07:45:43:

In Reply to: RWS Model 36 Exploded View Diagram posted by Sam Rose on May 11, 1999 at 10:38:40:

Hi Again
Got a great detailed refresher course via email from Terry Tweedy who just completed the upgrade- Thanks Terry!
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E-mail Problems

Msg. 110910  Posted by H. Todd on May 12, 1999 at 07:45:06:

Friends, if you sent me any emails that I have not responded to, it is most likely my provider. For some reason, I got 5 or more emails this morning that had been sent to me over the past 2 weeks. The odd thing is that I had gotten numerous others during that same time that came through as they should. If there is some glitch on receiving, I may think I have sent you a response and it never got there and is lost in the.null. Sorry for any questions, etc. that did not make it through. - Hawley
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Re: CNC Programming

Msg. 110909  Posted by Ron B on May 12, 1999 at 07:41:03:

In Reply to: CNC Programming posted by MikeZ on May 11, 1999 at 23:05:54:

MikeZ,

A book used as a learning text is 'The CNC Workbook' by Nanfara, Uccello and Murphy. Converters that convert from .dxf and other file formats cost from $125 to well over $3000.

Limited, simple 3 axis CNC milling can be achieved for about $1000 and a lot of 'Sweat Equity'.

HTH,
Ron
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Looking for advice on Beeman R11 Mk II

Msg. 111816  Posted by George on May 15, 1999 at 05:38:33:

Strait Shooters recommended this Gun as a good match for My 14 year old son and me. I had been looking at the R-9 and considered the R1. The adjustable cheek and butt would allow the Gun to fit both of us, but I have seen no posts or reviews. Any input would be appreciated.

Thanks.
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Re: is there a true semiauto RIFLE in .22

Msg. 111815  Posted by MR Bulk� on May 15, 1999 at 05:18:48:

In Reply to: is there a true semiauto RIFLE in .22 posted by pilkguns on May 15, 1999 at 00:34:41:

At the great risk of becoming too interested and then probably having to go get a second mortgage to afford it:

1) What gun is this?

2) Available in PCP?

3) What is the magazine capacity?


MR Bulk� (God help me)


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Been there, done that

Msg. 111814  Posted by Mauibuck on May 15, 1999 at 04:57:09:

In Reply to: Re: Who We Are? posted by DAS on May 15, 1999 at 00:41:55:

Geoff & DAS

I spent about 6 years in Pittsburgh working on the design of the nuc plants for the Nimitz class then 4 years at Newport News on construction follow and testing for Bettis. I was present at the laying of the keel of the USS Carl Who? and launch (initial float really) for the USS Eisenhower. I've got some stories too...like the time a guy popped the bo.null on a thru hull valve...35 feet below sea level. The James River found a quick way into that ship...with all the shaft alleys still open. While the Uss Nimitz was under construction in dry dock, I slid out the bottom through the water inlets. Later, dock side I climbed to the top of the radar tower above the island at 3 AM because I had a real fear of heights and wanted to cure it. Scared the crap out of me and I would have benn mega fired had I been caught but it was a unique experience!

Then there was the time I was leaning back against a HIPAC when they were testing the relief valves without telling me. now I know I can jump really high! That was MUCH louder than my Career 707 at full power.

Mauibuck
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Re: Yeah- right!

Msg. 111813  Posted by anderld on May 15, 1999 at 04:52:26:

In Reply to: Re: Yeah- right! posted by RBest on May 15, 1999 at 01:34:13:

russ, you might try a dating service or some of them on-line chat rooms. running after seagulls with a pillow case saying you want to get them to the vet will only sound plausible for the first 7 or 8 birds. good luck guy.
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Re: Who We Are?

Msg. 111812  Posted by anderld on May 15, 1999 at 04:46:37:

In Reply to: Who We Are? posted by Ron on May 14, 1999 at 10:39:24:

51 y.o. (get to say that til august) excessive user of parentheses. 4yrs navy after hs with a year donated to the usmc as a platoon corpsman with 2/4 (mar amphib assult bat viet nam) in 68. psych nurse after discharge, divorce, and some schooling. worked light stick construction after 78 and occas psych nurse for extra income while 2nd , favorite, most wonderful, and now wife of 21 years, pursued her double masters at santa clara univ (caught the damn thing, too). moved to napa valley in 87 from s. bay area. ba and 1 yr advanced courses botanical sciences, but too expensive a hobby. self employed (and sometimes self unemployed) on per diem basis for hospital and several med centers doing remods, building workstations and cab.nulls. hobbies (what a nice way to say addictions!) are botany, mushrooming (12 of us started a local mycological club that has grown to over 300 members) legal off roading (a result of the pursuit of desert wildflowers), birdwatching, fly fishing and tying, the adjustment of crow, starling, house (euorpean) sparrow, and ground squirrel populations, and ��airguns. Also enjoy good food, wine, and beer.

A favorite quote�sure alcohol kills brain cells, but only the weak ones�.anon.

I'll leave out my potty habits

larry


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Re: What does this 'sign' mean?

Msg. 111811  Posted by Phillip Reedy on May 15, 1999 at 04:44:50:

In Reply to: Re: What does this 'sign' mean? posted by Mark on May 15, 1999 at 00:29:49:

Hello Mark,

Just in case Lou V.K. isn't available to answer your question -- the "pentagon F" denotes an airgun that produces less than 7.5 Joules of energy, which in Germany is the most powerful airgun that a person over the age of 18 can buy without any type of restrictions. More powerful airguns are easily available (which seems to surprise many Americans), but you must have the firearms training/license to purchase them.

hth,
Phil Reedy
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Re: Who We Are?

Msg. 111810  Posted by Stephen/HK on May 15, 1999 at 04:23:07:

In Reply to: Who We Are? posted by Ron on May 14, 1999 at 10:39:24:

I'm really surprised to see so many fellow airgun addicts around my age. I'm going to be 43 in the coming July. I'm the manager of the Medical Students Hostel in a local University. I'd been an editor for nearly ten years before I came to this job (another nine years!) and still write occasionally.

I'm an UIT shooter accidentally bumped into this forum two years ago and became addicted ever since. Nice to know that I'm not alone.


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Re: Who We Are?

Msg. 111809  Posted by James Pieper on May 15, 1999 at 04:15:19:

In Reply to: Re: Who We Are? posted by ProfHoff on May 14, 1999 at 19:07:10:

Whew!! And I thought I was doing pretty good to get a 2 hour nap in the afternoon! (A good dream being icing on the cake.)
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Re: Lou...did ya do the test re lubing????

Msg. 111808  Posted by GH on May 15, 1999 at 03:50:25:

In Reply to: Re: pellet sorting posted by LOU V.K. on May 14, 1999 at 13:21:15:


Hi Lou,
Afew moons back you had mentioned that you were going
to run some tests on lube vs non lube...did you?... did I miss a post by you on the results.The post re carnuba wax
got me to think'n that you may have or are look'n to try carnuba wax as part of your testing.
What I have found ,[by just mess'n around] is that it does close the spread when using some
pellets in some guns.Also,noted that there was a loss of 3+/- fps in avg vel. in an 853 w/ 3 different pellets...
belive that this was the result of a lower max in the string-thus a smaller spread.Have not done this w/ a 20-25 string
so is not statisticly significant,but was wondering ,if you had done the test,if you saw this happen.
Rgds,
GH
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Re: Which Simmons to buy?

Msg. 111807  Posted by Adam on May 15, 1999 at 03:50:08:

In Reply to: Which Simmons to buy? posted by Joey on May 14, 1999 at 10:30:22:

I have the 44mag. with turrets on a New Daystate rifle, and it performs great, and it is so clear/accurate, you can't go wrong with it!
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Re: Who We Are?

Msg. 111806  Posted by David Maradiaga on May 15, 1999 at 03:49:02:

In Reply to: Who We Are? posted by Ron on May 14, 1999 at 10:39:24:

I am the head french fry cooker at a local McDonald's and I just bought my 53rd airgun last week.

HA HA!! Just kidding. Actually, I am a senior electrical engineering student at a Southern California university (UCI). If all goes as planned, I will be finishing my BS degree the end of this December with a specialization in electro-optics and solid state materials. Although I am currently conducting undergraduate research on campus (blue LED GaAs wafers), I will begin looking for a full time position by the end of the summer. After all, as soon as I graduate, all my lenders are going to swoop down on me like a bunch of vultures going after a carcass. While I'm on the subject, any company execs out there want to hire a bright young engineering grad ;) ???

My current stable of airguns includes an Sharp Ace Hunter, Sharp Innova, 2 Steroid Streaks, Supersport, R9 TK, JM tuned R1, and my favorite, an MKV TX200 in walnut. Come to think of it, that's another good reason to find a job quick. Between my school loans and airgun habit, I've got enough debt to pass onto my grandchildren!

David Maradiaga
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Re: worst.. um. hunting mistakes

Msg. 111805  Posted by Adam on May 15, 1999 at 03:46:51:

In Reply to: worst.. um. hunting mistakes posted by ERIC on May 14, 1999 at 20:35:05:

One time I was handgun hunting (RWS C225) in the forest with my friend, and I had just popped of a small Chikadee up in a tree. So I was excited, and as we were walking down the old bike path I saw movement in a far off Ponderosa Pine. I quickly pulled the nickel jewel from its holster, leveled my sights, and fired one Beeman Kodiak in that direction. I dropped the average sized bird from a dead branch, and as I went up to seize my game, and I realized it was a majestic Blue Jay. So I burried it and proceeded with the evening.
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Homemade silencers

Msg. 111804  Posted by Adam on May 15, 1999 at 03:39:57:

My neighbors do not appreciate the noise, so I am interested in suppressing the noise of my airgun, if any knows any silencers that can be built with household products will you please share them w/ me.

Thanks

-Adam
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Re: Who We Are?

Msg. 111803  Posted by Raul on May 15, 1999 at 03:29:00:

In Reply to: Who We Are? posted by Ron on May 14, 1999 at 10:39:24:

32 years old. I am an English teacher and translator in Mexico. I have six air rifles, two Co2 handguns and two rimfires.

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Re: air rfle for squirrels. Only the Beginning

Msg. 111802  Posted by jcbii on May 15, 1999 at 03:28:43:

In Reply to: Re: air rfle for squirrels. Only the Beginning posted by RBest on May 12, 1999 at 22:05:42:

I agree. I'm still picking mine up (Brains, that is) ha!
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Re: Who We Are?

Msg. 111801  Posted by Kevin Wigmore on May 15, 1999 at 03:27:05:

In Reply to: Who We Are? posted by Ron on May 14, 1999 at 10:39:24:

I'm 48, had my first airgun when 15 (given to me by my Dad). A Webley Ranger with a massive 405fps mv!?. Happily married with 2 teenage boys 17 & 19. Brought up on a Dairy Farm in Coromandel Penisula (Whitianga) in N.Z. Spent several years farm working, then as a Telecom Tech, then contruction work and now with the NZ Refining Company in our Project Division mainly with records/computer work. NZ has only one oil refinery. Am committed christian and involved in local activities. Help run a local Gym especially for young folk "at risk".
Kevin Wigmore
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Re:Dripping oil?

Msg. 111800  Posted by GH on May 15, 1999 at 03:26:45:

In Reply to: Re: pellet sorting posted by jj on May 14, 1999 at 14:28:23:

jj,
The theory of lubing pellets has to do w/ providing a more uniform
friction in the bore.The amount to use in miniscule,thus should not be "dripping out of barrel".
I use FP-10...apply by rolling pellets around on a piece of wool flannel that is kept SLIGHTLY
damp w/ the oil....the pellets have a slight oil film,but don't really even look wet.
A side benefit of applying this way is that the loose lead specks accumulate on the cloth,which I
shake out after treating a 50 +/- "batch".
GH

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Re: Which caliber is best for hunting?

Msg. 111799  Posted by E Fudd on May 15, 1999 at 03:22:55:

In Reply to: Re: Which caliber is best for hunting? posted by H. Todd on May 13, 1999 at 15:50:14:

For squirrels and bunnies at close range, I think a magnum airgun is just as effective as a rimfire, (more so if you consider all the places you can hunt that you couldn't with a firearm). A .25 pellet that passes clean through an animal does just as much damage as a typical .22 bullet that does the same, (not counting centerfires or .22 WMR). I'll admit rimfires do have better trajectories though, and past 40 yards are superior to all but the most powerful PCP's. Also the noise of powerful PCP's seems nullify the one advantage airguns have over firearms for hunting.
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Re: Giving replies without firsthand knowledge

Msg. 111798  Posted by jcbii on May 15, 1999 at 02:55:35:

In Reply to: Re: Giving replies without firsthand knowledge posted by wved on May 13, 1999 at 07:47:02:

I would like to point out that the "BS" flies everywhere, not just this forum. If I were to correct everyone who said something erroneous about computers at work, I would be arguing all day. I am pretty much a "newbie" when it comes to airguns, but I am mature enough to take everything said (here and elsewhere) with a grain of salt. Also, newbie is not synonymous with "idiot". You could have a brain surgeon visit this forum and claim to be a newbie when it comes to airguns. I think most people will rely on their own personal experiences to reject/accept what they read.

I have been visiting this site for a little while now, and I can't recall anything really crazy going by without being challenged. Even that CO2 post was challenged. One other thing I recall about it was that the original poster didn't recommend it. He simply said he had a friend that was doing it, and he actually stated that he was uncomfortable shooting next to him.

I REALLY enjoy reading the posts here (including yours), and I appreciate the fact that the experienced people who post to this forum often challenge questionable remarks. However, I would hate to see someone designated as the forum "Police" who scans every post for erroneous or questionable remarks.

just my opinion.
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Re: Utah Jazz (Sorry I'm off the subject).

Msg. 111797  Posted by dhouse on May 15, 1999 at 02:04:50:

In Reply to: Re: Utah Jazz (Sorry I'm off the subject). posted by rich on May 15, 1999 at 01:47:35:

Portland is a very good team, I wish you luck with whoever your team plays.

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Re: Crosman 600 Pellet Mag!

Msg. 111795  Posted by Conrad (SJ CA) on May 15, 1999 at 01:57:36:

In Reply to: Re: Crosman 600 Pellet Mag! posted by Joey on May 13, 1999 at 22:05:58:

where do I find the classified air gun adds ?
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mine (also 20cal) likes premiers and crow mags best. (NT)

Msg. 111794  Posted by anderld on May 15, 1999 at 01:50:47:

In Reply to: Pellet for R1 posted by DonT on May 14, 1999 at 16:11:16:


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Re: Utah Jazz (Sorry I'm off the subject).

Msg. 111793  Posted by rich on May 15, 1999 at 01:47:35:

In Reply to: Re: Utah Jazz (Sorry I'm off the subject). posted by David House on May 15, 1999 at 01:18:35:

makes no difference, portland will prevail!!!!!!

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Depends on the gun

Msg. 111792  Posted by RBest on May 15, 1999 at 01:36:06:

In Reply to: Which Simmons to buy? posted by Joey on May 14, 1999 at 10:30:22:

They don't last if the gun recoils heavier than a TX200. Russ
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Re: Yeah- right!

Msg. 111791  Posted by RBest on May 15, 1999 at 01:34:13:

In Reply to: Re: Yeah- right! posted by Steve Parker on May 15, 1999 at 01:18:54:

I recently wound up chasing a seagull with a broken wing, right down the street from my job, to send it to the local vet. I couldn't catch the sucker! Wish I had a pillowcase with me at the time. I called the Town, and they just wanted to send out an officer to shoot it. Heck- I can do that better than the police can! ( I did NOT shoot this one!) Russ
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Re: Yeah- right!

Msg. 111790  Posted by Steve Parker on May 15, 1999 at 01:18:54:

In Reply to: Yeah- right! posted by RBest on May 14, 1999 at 23:17:59:


Thanks, amigo! Actually, I did help a couple of families today; made living with "Rover" a more positive experience. A big part of my day was spent nursing a couple of orphaned pigeons back to health. Funny thing is, a newborn bird will come into the clinic (we get dozens of pigeons and starlings this time of year), I'll help feed it, keep it clean and warm, then release it when the time comes......BUT HEAVEN HELP IT IF IT LANDS IN MY YARD!!
Steve
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Re: Utah Jazz (Sorry I'm off the subject).

Msg. 111789  Posted by David House on May 15, 1999 at 01:18:35:

In Reply to: Re: Utah Jazz (Sorry I'm off the subject). posted by rich on May 15, 1999 at 00:54:56:

Justice is served!!!!!! Utah 90 Sac 89
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Worked with Swayze, Belushi and Bacon ! ( sounds like a NY law firm!)

Msg. 111788  Posted by RBest on May 15, 1999 at 01:16:38:

In Reply to: Re: Who We Are? posted by Mako on May 14, 1999 at 14:08:07:

Mako: you just named a few movies that I've enjoyed watching at least 3 times each. Good references ! Russ
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PAL: the Mk1's have excellent possibilities

Msg. 111787  Posted by RBest on May 15, 1999 at 01:12:38:

In Reply to: Re: Who We Are? posted by PAL on May 15, 1999 at 00:47:04:

Tim and ld came up with a great mod for them. I may yet send mine in. Russ
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Re: Brian: Trophy 6x18x40 on a break barrel gun.

Msg. 111786  Posted by RBest on May 15, 1999 at 01:10:07:

In Reply to: Re: Opinion of Rx-1 posted by brian lipsmire on May 14, 1999 at 22:35:03:

BL: that scope MIGHT be a little to long for the gun. Ck. the clearance to the breech when cocking once you get it. The 6x12x40 is shorter. Russ
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Re: Who We Are?

Msg. 111785  Posted by RBest on May 15, 1999 at 01:00:29:

In Reply to: Re: Who We Are? posted by DAS on May 15, 1999 at 00:41:55:

Dave: hang on a sec-- I want to make sure the Chinese Embassy sees this one! ONLY KIDDING !( ok- so it was in bad taste). RB
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Save me a large Tim! ( or reserve one?)

Msg. 111784  Posted by RBest on May 15, 1999 at 00:57:44:

In Reply to: You've Come A Long Way BB posted by Mac1 on May 14, 1999 at 23:11:53:

I'll call it in Monday. Russ
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Re: Anyone had any experience with the RWS 46??

Msg. 111783  Posted by RBest on May 15, 1999 at 00:55:29:

In Reply to: Re: Anyone had any experience with the RWS 46?? posted by Mklingler on May 15, 1999 at 00:46:11:

I like the 46, and feel it is one of the better RWS field guns. It's really sweet after Dave Slade tunes the gun and trigger! An all day shooter that won't wear you out. I'm somewhat resigned to the appearance of at least some plastic on todays guns. It's the future, and numerous EXPENSIVE firearms even are using plastics extensively now. Regards, Russ
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Re: Utah Jazz (Sorry I'm off the subject).

Msg. 111782  Posted by rich on May 15, 1999 at 00:54:56:

In Reply to: Utah Jazz (Sorry I'm off the subject). posted by David House on May 15, 1999 at 00:50:04:


with all the things stockton has gotten away with all these years I cant feel to sorry for them.
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Samp;W 78G Holster

Msg. 111781  Posted by Scubablizz on May 15, 1999 at 00:51:36:

I have a 78G and I would like to buy a holster for it. Where can I get one, any ideas? Thanks...

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Utah Jazz (Sorry I'm off the subject).

Msg. 111780  Posted by David House on May 15, 1999 at 00:50:04:

Sorry I'm off the subject of airguns here. But I just had to vent my frustrations with the NBA officiating. When are the Jazz going to get a break and have a fair game called. I can handle a few missed calls but this game tonight is ridiculous. Thanks for letting me vent my frustrations publicly.
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BC: who's importing the Rutten ?

Msg. 111779  Posted by RBest on May 15, 1999 at 00:48:34:

In Reply to: Re: Quest for Jerry Rhodes concerning BSA 240 Magnum posted by BC on May 14, 1999 at 11:15:45:

Seems like every time these Belgians get close to a deal, something gives out. Last year someone from Utah was going to import them. Regards, Russ
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Re: Who We Are?

Msg. 111778  Posted by PAL on May 15, 1999 at 00:47:04:

In Reply to: Who We Are? posted by Ron on May 14, 1999 at 10:39:24:

41 yr old Lead Programmer Analyst. I am a developer for the corporate intr.null at a large Tulsa medical center.

Bought a R9 3-4 months ago when my 140 finally crapped out after 30 years of use(getting fixed now). One thing led to another to this forum to Little Rock and now I'm addicted.

First gun I ever shot was a Crosman 137 and the first gun I ever owned was a Crosman 140. I have both now, plus a mint hardly shot Crosman Mark I that belonged to my Grandpa.

Paul

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Re: Anyone had any experience with the RWS 46??

Msg. 111777  Posted by Mklingler on May 15, 1999 at 00:46:11:

In Reply to: Anyone had any experience with the RWS 46?? posted by JB on May 14, 1999 at 22:40:25:

The RWS46 was my first "adult" air rifle purchased a few months ago. Since I didn't have anywhere local to get my hands on one I had to go mail-order from the good folks at Straight Shooters. I've been collecting and shooting traditional cartridge firearms for many years and was very disappointed with the quality in comparison. Although it was a real tack driver I just couldn't get past the cheesy plastic parts and cocking lever attachment. The scope rail even seemed like an afterthought. I liked the style and quality of the stock but really wanted walnut instead of beech. My shooting buddy bought it from me as his first air rifle and is very happy with it. He's more concerned with function than the appearence. I traded up to an Air Arms TX200 mk4 and am very pleased. Wish I had spent the extra money to begin with. Don't think you could do much better in the quality or accuracy department. If the TX is out of your price range and you want to stick with an underlever, I keep hearing good things about the BSA SilverStar. I'm leaning towards an R9 as my next purchase...
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Re: Who We Are?

Msg. 111776  Posted by DAS on May 15, 1999 at 00:41:55:

In Reply to: Re: Who We Are? posted by Geoff Moist on May 14, 1999 at 23:48:38:

Geoff,

USS Carl Vinson! I spent 1 1/2 years aboard your ship testing it's nuclear power plant systems. I've got some interesting stories if you are ever interested. I recall an ionizer canopy that just wouldn't stop leaking...

Dave

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is there a true semiauto RIFLE in .22

Msg. 111775  Posted by pilkguns on May 15, 1999 at 00:34:41:

In Reply to: Re: Who We Are? posted by MR Bulk� on May 14, 1999 at 22:32:29:

No Mr. Bulk, I'm afaid there is not a Santa Claus, at least not this year. no semi auto in .22, got one in .177 though, can ship tomorow
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Re: What does this 'sign' mean?

Msg. 111774  Posted by Mark on May 15, 1999 at 00:29:49:

In Reply to: Re: What does this 'sign' mean? posted by LOU V.K. on May 14, 1999 at 13:40:15:

What is the legal limit for german distribution?
I have a Gamo air pistol that has this symbol.
Thanks
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Muzzle Energy calculator/graph builder

Msg. 111773  Posted by Alligator on May 15, 1999 at 00:24:58:

Hi All,

http://www.zvis.com/bvtengy.shtml - posted here, this is a simple java applet that builds muzzle energy graph by the given bullet mass & max. velocity. Today I've corrected this thing to support airgun pellets too, in other words bullet mass isn't an integer, so you can use fratcions, + it scales & draws the graph correctly for low energy values. Since I am not a big expert in airguns would be very interesting your opinion. I hope it'll be useful &/or entertaining ;) Any bugs reports, comments, notes, wishes will be highly appreciated.

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Re: Calculating recoil velocity

Msg. 111772  Posted by Ron B on May 15, 1999 at 00:13:23:

In Reply to: Calculating recoil velocity posted by Russell Best on May 15, 1999 at 00:01:24:

Russ,

The formula for firearm recoil is an equation similar to: Bullet wt X Velocity squared X powder charge wt cubed / gun weight; with a factor thrown in to get the figure into a known form.

As I understand 'springers', the problem is with the uncoiling of the spring. The treatment of the ports, guides and such - the 'tune' causes this equation to change; where in the 'lock time' does the pellet clear the barrel; barrel whip - the list of variables is long.

BTW- accelerometers can find bad bearings and pinpoint vibration problems in machinery, among other things.

Ron
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Re: Used Stealth for sale

Msg. 111771  Posted by Tom Holst on May 15, 1999 at 00:12:47:

In Reply to: where can I buy stealth gunpower--any web site? posted by steven on May 14, 1999 at 11:39:39:

I have a like new Stealth for sale. With all the goodies (Bipod,charging adapter, ect.) I'll sell all for $400.
Tom Holst
tholst@null.null
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Re: Crosman scope mounts

Msg. 111770  Posted by Tom Holst on May 15, 1999 at 00:08:24:

In Reply to: Re: Crosman scope mounts posted by Wampas on May 14, 1999 at 23:14:05:

The larger mounts are B272 and should work well on your 1377c. This mount fits all current production Benjamin\Sheridan rifles and pistols.
If you need a set I have them for $10 plus shipping.
Tom Holst

P.S. I just got a 17" monitor is my posting larger now? (Just kidding!)

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Re: FWB 124 velocity,with Maccari tune?

Msg. 111769  Posted by RBest on May 15, 1999 at 00:07:22:

In Reply to: Re: FWB 124 velocity,with Maccari tune? posted by Robert Hamilton on May 14, 1999 at 00:51:26:

Rob't: mine's nearly identical to yours. Love it! RB
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Calculating recoil velocity

Msg. 111768  Posted by Russell Best on May 15, 1999 at 00:01:24:

While contemplating a way to compare one tune to another, I hit on the idea of using a simple calculation rather than hooking up accelerometers to a gun mounted or suspended in or on a frictionless unit. If I take the muzzle energy, and divide it by the guns weight( actual measure), will this yield the info I seek? Input greatly appreciated. Regards, Russ
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Re: Who We Are?

Msg. 111767  Posted by Wayne on May 14, 1999 at 23:48:38:

In Reply to: Who We Are? posted by Ron on May 14, 1999 at 10:39:24:

52 yr old ex Navy electronic technician submarine nuclear reactor operator, VietNam era vet. Started college in 1965, graduated in 1983 (some of us are slow), BA Business Admin. Employed as a tech support branch head in a naval shipyard. Married, 3 sons ages 28, 24, 21, 3 dogs, 2 zebra finches & a talking mynah bird. I like to fish, golf, play fastpitch softball and dabble in guns/airguns. If I shot a different airgun each day, I could go almost a month before I go through all of them, but I still don't have enough. Recently aquired a R10 with a Beeman 67R 3-9X scope. Going to install a Maccari Tarantula tune kit. Good to get to know the rest of our on-line group better.
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Re: Who We Are?

Msg. 111766  Posted by Geoff Moist on May 14, 1999 at 23:48:38:

In Reply to: Who We Are? posted by Ron on May 14, 1999 at 10:39:24:

I'm 37 years old, married to a beautiful Filipina for 13 years, and have an 11 year old boy who shoots the Sheridan Blue Streak my father helped me purchase when I was 13. Can't beat the Sheridans for the $$$. I'm a Radiation Safety Technician at an eastern nuclear plant. I spent 6 years in the Naval nuclear power program and was stationed aboard the USS Carl Vinson. Other hobbies include bicycling, astronomy, reading, and of course computer geeking. Used to cave when I lived closer to cave country. I love shooting airguns, I just need more time and space. I just got my first PCP, a Daystate Harrier, just last year. I also have a couple other nice airguns, but no matter how many I get I can�t seem to shoot more than one at a time!
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Re: Anschutz 335

Msg. 111765  Posted by MikeD on May 14, 1999 at 23:46:34:

In Reply to: Anschutz 335 posted by John Studt on May 13, 1999 at 13:30:36:

The following is a bunch of crud that I have written on the 335 at various times and saved in a word processing file. Hope there is something in there of use to you:

There were 2 major variants of the 335. The first has a shallow straight forearm and a barrel lock that has to be pulled straight out, like an HW 35. The second has a more tapered and deeper forearm and a hinged clutch-type barrel lock similar to a Walther LGV. It is an excellent design, the barrel lockup is massively rigid but comes undone with a gentle quiet squeeze. I consider the second version more desirable, and it is the variant most seen in the US.

I have not shot the 335 extensively in quite a while, so I will have to give you anecdotal, rather than extensively scientific, data: the last time I had it out, I fired a ten-shot group of Eley Wasps off a sandbag rest, at a measured 20 yards, that had all 10 holes touching. The center-to-center spread was no more than 1/4" or so. I have owned over 40 airguns in the last 15 years and this is the most accurate spring-piston sporter rifle I have ever shot.

I believe the best feature of the gun is the quality of the barrel, and the design of the breech chamfer, which is a gentle slope about 3mm long--sort of a compromise between the short, sharp-edged chamfer seen on Weihrauchs and Dianas, and the long tapered throat of Webleys and BSA's. If one loads pellets with an easy straight-in push from a seating tool, the head is in the rifling, while the skirt is trued up and sealed against the taper. In effect, this is a built-in sizer that custom-fits any pellet to the barrel! I do keep extensive chrono data and this rifle has the smallest standard deviation numbers I have ever gotten from a sporter rifle, and I think this breech design is the reason. I usually shoot Wasps in it, but frankly everything this side of real junk shoots very well.

I have a Burris 6x compact scope on my 335 and like it very much, it is very clear and just the right amount of magnification for the (mostly casual) shooting that I do. But it is not terribly expensive and does not add much weight and bulk to the gun. I have Sportsmatch mounts on it, the barrel angle is very good so it did not require special mounts or a lot of adjusting.

There are some quirks to the gun. The safety is an automatic spring-loaded interceptor bar that blocks the sear whenever the barrel is open--no manual safety. This thing makes it impossible to uncock the gun without firing--safe, but sometimes a nuisance. The trigger action is very good, and it is in a unitized removable module similar to a Weihrauch. The mechanism is similar to the old BSF guns, which are in turn related to the Mauser 98! But the adjustments are easy to get way off, so that it will fire before you reach the second stage of the pull, or even when you slam the barrel shut--I believe this is why Crosman quit selling the gun, their liability lawyer probably had a cow the first time he saw a 6500!

It is only a medium-power gun. The piston seal is leather and it shoots about 710 to 740fps with most pellets. Anschutz put the same action into their model 333 (or Crosman 6300) which has a lighter barrel and simpler, smaller stock--a very desirable light rifle hardly bigger than an R7 but much more power. The 335 is not particularly powerful for its size and weight, about 7 1/2 pounds, though very smooth to fire.

Other nice points are the steel seats for all the stock screws, the excellent factory open sights, and the shape of the stock which I find very comfortable. Bad points include the hideous pressed pistol grip checkering and rather thin bluing. I bet that guns with the Anchutz name on them have better metal finish!

Hope this helps, guess you can tell that I like this gun a lot. Good luck
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Re: Washing Primiers?

Msg. 111764  Posted by Joey on May 14, 1999 at 23:46:14:

In Reply to: Re: Washing Primiers? posted by ERIC on May 14, 1999 at 19:51:10:


Just dont use that bowl again for food.Keep these thing seperate.Lead posining is just not worth it!
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Re: Who needs Prozac when there are pellets !

Msg. 111763  Posted by RBest on May 14, 1999 at 23:45:36:

In Reply to: Re: Who needs Prozac when there are pellets ! posted by Mako on May 14, 1999 at 23:21:53:

Mako: Thorazine-- but you'll need a gun bearer. ( and a world champ to shoot it for you):>) RB
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Re: You've Come A Long Way BB

Msg. 111762  Posted by RBest on May 14, 1999 at 23:42:26:

In Reply to: Re: You've Come A Long Way BB posted by Marty Wilobee on May 14, 1999 at 23:39:00:

I'd rather have the Tarantula watch- 8 hands and 4 time zones! ;>)RB
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Re: You've Come A Long Way BB

Msg. 111761  Posted by Marty Wilobee on May 14, 1999 at 23:39:00:

In Reply to: You've Come A Long Way BB posted by Mac1 on May 14, 1999 at 23:11:53:


Do you also sell Tarantula hats?
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more triggers.

Msg. 111760  Posted by RBest on May 14, 1999 at 23:32:13:

In Reply to: Re: Crow Mag triggers posted by LOU V.K. on May 14, 1999 at 23:17:08:

Lou: while not a Rekord per se, Norica made a pretty fair copy in their model 80G's. Norica also made the gun sold by Beeman as the Falcon F1 or FX-1 ( I forget) some years back that also had a trigger that suspiciously feels very "Rekordy". These are not the guns we think of nowadays when the word Falcon is mentioned, of course. These were break barrel springers of moderate power. I'll have to tear into my Dad's one of these days for a look see. Regards, Russ
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Re: Who We Are?

Msg. 111759  Posted by Wayne on May 14, 1999 at 23:24:19:

In Reply to: Re: Who We Are? posted by Benoit Landry on May 14, 1999 at 21:21:36:

Benoit, you are very lucky to be young. You look like you are on your way to a rich and successful life while most of us here are mostly middle aged? However. the reason I consider you lucky is that the RWS 6G is the best gun you have ever shot. That means you have the whole wonderful world of precision airguns left to explore. Wait till you shoot a high quality recoil free 10m airgun or a tuned 1000fps magnum. You are in for future treats. Good luck, enjoy life and don't lose perspective. Aloha, Wayne.
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Re: Who needs Prozac when there are pellets !

Msg. 111758  Posted by Mako on May 14, 1999 at 23:21:53:

In Reply to: Who needs Prozac when there are pellets ! posted by RBest on May 14, 1999 at 20:28:10:

Actually I think I got my best scores when I was doing Prozac and shooting. :-)

Anybody else want to reveal some "good" shooting combinations ...
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Re: Who We Are?

Msg. 111757  Posted by Mark Lemm on May 14, 1999 at 23:20:22:

In Reply to: Re: Who We Are? posted by David P on May 14, 1999 at 20:21:39:

It depends what you want more a break barrel or an underlever. For the money (around $300) the R9 is a much better rifle and with (from what I've read and people I've spoken too) had a vastly better trigger. I have an JM custom everything .20 R9 on the way and you can't go wrong with an R9.

For an underlever I almost got a SilverStar but settle on a used (great condition) HW 77 which has the Rekord trigger like the R9. I got mine from Airgun express (just last month) and the last time I checked they had a used .177 HW 77 in good condition. If you really want an underlever I'd consider calling Airgun Express and see if it's still available.

HTH,

Mark
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Yeah- right!

Msg. 111756  Posted by RBest on May 14, 1999 at 23:17:59:

In Reply to: Re: Who We Are? posted by Steve Parker on May 14, 1999 at 23:12:51:

I'm sure you saved somebodys pet today and quite possibly more than that. RB:>)
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Re: Crow Mag triggers

Msg. 111755  Posted by LOU V.K. on May 14, 1999 at 23:17:08:

In Reply to: Re: Crow Mag triggers posted by Jim P on May 14, 1999 at 21:54:05:


To the best of my personal knowledge,and I hope that someone can document any argument on this,the Rekord trigger is made by Weirauch,and,used exclusively in their own guns. If it is also offered as a for sale component for use in the guns of others,I am unaware of it.
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Re: Who We Are?

Msg. 111754  Posted by Whitewolf on May 14, 1999 at 23:15:51:

In Reply to: Who We Are? posted by Ron on May 14, 1999 at 10:39:24:

34 1/2, Father of three boys 5, 33mo, 14mo. I'm collecting and tuning and building all guns for them ("yea right", wifes comeback) Ex Naval Officer, was currently senior foreman with Oilfeld Maintenance company pipefitter, instrumentation tech, seeking new employment toasted knee out on the job, currently in need of replcemt when old enough or med science comes up with a better knee. Love the outdoors, avid hunter, basically anything that moves and is legal, with whatever is my hearts desire out of safes. And yes if it tastes good I eat it. Shoot wife with plastic darts. Only been married since Sept 98 wifes real understanding with guns, she's my hunting partner. Have time on hands now for wife kids and building guns for the boys. (really)


Later Whitewof
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Re: Who We Are?

Msg. 111753  Posted by Dave on May 14, 1999 at 23:14:18:

In Reply to: Who We Are? posted by Ron on May 14, 1999 at 10:39:24:

I'm a 43yo SWM who has never grown up... and never wants to. I am the director of research for a well-known fiber company. I own an R1 in .20 and an R10 in the same caliber. Both guns are scoped and tuned. I love to shoot tree rats. My talents include gunsmithing and clock building/repairing. I collect firearms and knives, only because of my appreciation for the workmanship that went into their creation. I also enjoy tweeking my VW GTI VR6 and my perfect '75 CJ5. Everytime I cock my airgun, I feel like it's Christmas all over again!

Working hard to play hard...
Dave
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Re: Crosman scope mounts

Msg. 111752  Posted by Wampas on May 14, 1999 at 23:14:05:

In Reply to: Re: Crosman scope mounts posted by ProfHoff on May 14, 1999 at 20:35:16:

Prof,
I am not familiar with that mount. Do you know the model#?
Thanks,
Wampas
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Re: Opinion of Rx-1

Msg. 111751  Posted by LOU V.K. on May 14, 1999 at 23:13:15:

In Reply to: Re: Opinion of Rx-1 posted by Marty Jones on May 14, 1999 at 20:24:14:


Overall,the Eliminator is the top of the Theoben line of break barrel guns. That does not mean that they have a decent trigger.
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Re: Who We Are?

Msg. 111750  Posted by Steve Parker on May 14, 1999 at 23:12:51:

In Reply to: Re: Who We Are? posted by Brian on May 14, 1999 at 22:04:56:


Brian: My father goes to dialysis 3X a week. You guys/gals are so important.You make a rotten situation bearable and are worth your weight in gold! Keep up the good work!

Oh yeah, I'm just a plain ol' dog trainer.

Steve
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You've Come A Long Way BB

Msg. 111749  Posted by Mac1 on May 14, 1999 at 23:11:53:

The article Dennis O'flaherty and I just completed for Guns & Ammo will be on the newstands in early July(August Issue). The article is the first we have done for G&A for several years and shows the different attitude toward airguns from firearm publications and makers lately. The title will be "You've Come A Long Way BB". The old guys may remember that Mac-1 had a T-shirt with that saying on it from 1987 when the Mach-1 Rifle was released. I decided to do another run of these shirts so if you want to be first on your block to have a Mac-1 T-shirt we will have them done by next week. The Shirts are Beefy-T Haynes and are available in Medium, Large, X-Large, XX-Large, and XXX-Large. The cost will be $12.50 with shipping included. The shirts feature a silhouette of the famous Venom Mach-1 Rifle along with the Mac-1 Logo in black superimposed on a Red target Grid. The main screen is done on the rear with a small one on the left side of chest.

Later

Tim

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Time Correction!!

Msg. 111748  Posted by John Mickel on May 14, 1999 at 23:08:36:

In Reply to: BRV and the Pacific Northwest posted by John Mickel on May 14, 1999 at 19:41:49:

Blast!! The correct starting time for this series of matches is 9:00 a.m.. Not 3:30 p.m.. Hate it when I do that. john
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Re: TX got here!!!

Msg. 111747  Posted by RBest on May 14, 1999 at 23:07:30:

In Reply to: TX got here!!! posted by JMartin on May 14, 1999 at 23:03:00:

JM: now you can see what we're always yakkin' about. Welcome to spring gun heaven! RB
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Re: LOU, ever find the caruaba? nt

Msg. 111746  Posted by LOU V.K. on May 14, 1999 at 23:06:18:

In Reply to: LOU, ever find the caruaba? nt posted by Ron B on May 14, 1999 at 19:18:04:


I found a source for carnauba wax from an industrial coatings manufacturer,here in town. They use it in some of their formulations for the furniture industry here.
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Re: Red Dot Sights-http:www.adcosales.com/dotsights.html

Msg. 111745  Posted by Paul C. on May 14, 1999 at 23:05:58:

In Reply to: Re: Red Dot Sights posted by John M on May 13, 1999 at 00:58:54:

nt
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TX got here!!!

Msg. 111744  Posted by JMartin on May 14, 1999 at 23:03:00:

TX arrived today (walnut) WOW!!! I had no idea they were this nice. Wish my scope was here now. I'm hooked and haven't even shot it yet. Guess this was a great choice for first airgun!! Write more as soon as first pigeon falls!
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Re: Help with School program

Msg. 111743  Posted by T.W. on May 14, 1999 at 22:58:03:

In Reply to: Help with School program posted by Rusty on May 14, 1999 at 20:10:07:

You might check out www.crosman.com
Go to shooter programs.

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Pistols shoot lights

Msg. 111742  Posted by Mac1 on May 14, 1999 at 22:53:16:

In Reply to: Help with pellet selection posted by jrk on May 14, 1999 at 22:42:02:

When you are talking about guns that are not all that powerful you should get the lighter than average ammo. the 10.5 grainers are really made for powerful rifles.
Later

Tim

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Re: Who We Are?

Msg. 111741  Posted by Ken Hildebrand on May 14, 1999 at 22:52:07:

In Reply to: Re: Who We Are? posted by ProfHoff on May 14, 1999 at 19:07:10:

Yeah, but can you play a harmonica ?

Ken

PS. That was good!
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New Shooters Wanted

Msg. 111740  Posted by Mac1 on May 14, 1999 at 22:48:34:

Once again it is time to teach the newbies how to shoot safely. If you are interested in particpating in the So Cal Safe gun handling program show up at the Harbor Police range on the third sat of each month to have a blast shooting the Club guns and learning the safe way to use airguns. The range is located 1/2 mile south of the Anahiem street exit of the Harbor(110) Fwy. The Harbor Range is located on Gaffey which is 1 mile east of the Harbor Fwy. The class always starts at 9AM and finishes at Noon. If you know anybody interested in learning the proper and safe way to handle guns this is the place. The cost is $5 per shooter and the benefits are enormous. Any kids from 8-80 are welcome.
Later

Tim McMurray.
Youth Programs Director for SBRC
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Re: Who We Are?

Msg. 111739  Posted by Jay Olson-Goude on May 14, 1999 at 22:46:02:

In Reply to: Who We Are? posted by Ron on May 14, 1999 at 10:39:24:

40 yr old Achitectural Project Captain.
2 yr certificate from Dunwoody Industrial Institute.
B.A. from University of St. Thomas
Married almost 16 yrs to Jennifer.
3 1/2 yr old Golden Retriever Madison.
Back into airguns for about 2 yrs.
Currently own a TX200 Mk4 and a Gamo compact.
Also own S&W models 41 and 617, but don't shoot them
nearly as much as I used to - lot easier to just walk
down to the basement and shoot airguns!

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Re: pellet sorting

Msg. 111738  Posted by jj on May 14, 1999 at 22:45:05:

In Reply to: Re: pellet sorting posted by Jon B. on May 14, 1999 at 18:47:49:

Yeah, and probably less of a mess too.

Jeans were not so bad, but could you imagine it leaking out the barrel onto my wife's living room carpet. God help me. That would be the end of my airguns, my bank account (to replace the carpet), not to mention my health. Think I would rather do without the oil.
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Re: Who We Are?

Msg. 111737  Posted by Jim Raymond on May 14, 1999 at 22:44:22:

In Reply to: Who We Are? posted by Ron on May 14, 1999 at 10:39:24:

Harley-Davidson Service Technician and the Good Lord's gift to the motorcycle repair industry for the past 23 years. And a very humble guy who knows a lot more about Harleys than he does about airguns, my second love. That's why I like to come here. :^) Jim
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Help with pellet selection

Msg. 111736  Posted by jrk on May 14, 1999 at 22:42:02:

I recently purchased the Crosman C40 and need to restock on pellets. I want to get the Crosman Premiers and see that they come in either a 7.9 gram or a 10.3 gram. Besides the obvious, what's the difference in terms of what I would experience with using each? I want to send off an order for pellets.

Thanks...
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Re: Pellet for R1

Msg. 111735  Posted by David on May 14, 1999 at 22:40:44:

In Reply to: Pellet for R1 posted by DonT on May 14, 1999 at 16:11:16:

For a light and fast pellet, I've found Silver Bears to be reasonably accurate. Crow Magnums are great when a heavier pellet is called for and accuracy seems to be excellent. I don't know if I just lucked out with my particular R1, but it really seems to be fairly pellet friendly. I use mine mainly on tree rats, with awesome results.

Safe shooting!
David
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Anyone had any experience with the RWS 46??

Msg. 111734  Posted by JB on May 14, 1999 at 22:40:25:

Appears to be a very sharp-looking gun. Has anyone had experience with it as to accuracy and functionality?
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Thanks for the P70 schematic, NT

Msg. 111733  Posted by jj on May 14, 1999 at 22:38:52:

In Reply to: Thanks One and All! posted by Rick Johnson on May 14, 1999 at 20:55:06:

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Re: Who We Are?

Msg. 111732  Posted by Jim P on May 14, 1999 at 22:38:46:

In Reply to: Who We Are? posted by Ron on May 14, 1999 at 10:39:24:

55 and retireing this year as a Nuclear Engineer (Penn State)for the Government. Early Career Aerospace Engineer (Ga Tech) and pilot USAF. C-141, F-5, and UH-1 (Huey - in Viet Nam - 20th SOS)

Jim P.
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Re: Opinion of Rx-1

Msg. 111731  Posted by brian lipsmire on May 14, 1999 at 22:35:03:

In Reply to: Opinion of Rx-1 posted by Bill P. on May 13, 1999 at 16:43:55:

i just purchased an rx-1 from airgun express. it was a used "left handed." i got it for 286 including shipping, but it came with a right handed stock. i am in the process of correcting this with beeman. airgun express offers a right handed rx-1 for 300 as used. might be a good gun. i don't know yet. the few times i shot it, it cracked like a .22. it shoots through 3/4 of a phone book with .177 benjamin pellets. the recoil seems lower than my rws 45 and 48. it is comparable to my 124 that i recently had supertuned. by the way this used gun that i got had some work done to it by beeman before it was sold off as used. the trigger is excellent. the barrel drop was corrected. beeman told me the history of the gun. i have ordered a scope from nachez for $119 it is a 6x-18x X 40mm. haven't got it yet, its enroute. i am also going to out fit it with beeman 4050 mount if i can find a cheap enough price. enough said good luck and good shooting. this rifle is like a new sucker in a 2 yearold's mouth. i can't wait to murder crows. also i should think .177. its fast and its accurate. grated in the long run it loses energy, it is the most economical caliber to shoot. .22 is expensive and . 20 as well as .25 are rare and extremely expensive. good luck and good shooting
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Re: Who We Are?

Msg. 111730  Posted by MR Bulk� on May 14, 1999 at 22:32:29:

In Reply to: Re: Who We Are? posted by pilkguns on May 14, 1999 at 21:18:30:

Hey Scott,

Thanks for the interesting bio, but now back to airguns(!) -- is there a true semiauto RIFLE in .22 coming from Steyr, Haenel Suhl, or whomever you deal with, any time in the near future? If so, I need time to arrange my funding early.

Regards,

MR Bulk�


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Re: Help with School program

Msg. 111729  Posted by Roger on May 14, 1999 at 22:25:50:

In Reply to: Re: Help with School program posted by Rick Johnson on May 14, 1999 at 20:24:11:

Contact both the local Jaycee chapter in your are and the local council for the Boy Scouts. both have youth shooting programs that can be run both in and out of the schools.
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Re: Adjustable Butt pads- Who has them ?

Msg. 111728  Posted by DonC on May 14, 1999 at 22:17:17:

In Reply to: Adjustable Butt pads- Who has them ? posted by Chip Gibbs on May 14, 1999 at 15:24:18:

RWS sells a Wegu pad and canted spacers. They orginally were fitted to M100 and maybe the 75S to 1. I ordered from them in the past. These pads are better and cheaper than Morgan pads.
Don
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Hope you were able to take some measurements . ........(nt)

Msg. 111727  Posted by Jerry Rhodes on May 14, 1999 at 22:11:06:

In Reply to: Our mutual cousin Cindy bears all while in gestation ....... (nt) posted by vZc on May 14, 1999 at 06:37:36:


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RWS 48 series Adjustable Butt pads- Who has them too ? nt.

Msg. 111725  Posted by vZc on May 14, 1999 at 22:08:42:

In Reply to: Adjustable Butt pads- Who has them ? posted by Chip Gibbs on May 14, 1999 at 15:24:18:

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Re: Who We Are?

Msg. 111724  Posted by Brian on May 14, 1999 at 22:04:56:

In Reply to: Who We Are? posted by Ron on May 14, 1999 at 10:39:24:

I am an airgun addict. I enjoy setting my zero, punching holes in paper, sniping, and shooting cans at 50 to 60 yards. I work in acute renal dialysis as a RN.
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Re: Who We Are?

Msg. 111723  Posted by Jerry Rhodes on May 14, 1999 at 22:03:25:

In Reply to: Re: Who We Are? posted by Benoit Landry on May 14, 1999 at 21:21:36:

Ben,

You are too young at this point to understand but you will.

I would venture to say that there is not a single one of us that posted who isn't 12 years old every morning until that moment of truth when we see ourselves in the bathroom mirror and wonder what in the devil we got into the night before that left us looking like that!!!!!

Good luck,

Jerry

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Re: Crow Mag triggers

Msg. 111722  Posted by Jim P on May 14, 1999 at 21:54:05:

In Reply to: Re: Crow Mag triggers posted by RBest on May 13, 1999 at 23:22:11:

Russ,

I don't know about the Crow Mag as the break down on that one seems to be different. However, the Rapid trigger - see: http://www.theoben.co.uk/r7_trigger.html
is identical to the trigger on the Gamo Hunter serise (220, 440, 880) and they are identical to the Chinese QB-88 except that the Chinese give you a long enough screw that you can adjust the trigger to a decent action - I asume that Theoben does too, but I don't have one - nor have I had the chance to try one.

I think that if I were going to build an expensive, quality air rifle I would buy Rekords and just use them.

Just my opinion

Jim P.

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Re: Can Adjust.

Msg. 111721  Posted by jcbii on May 14, 1999 at 21:52:17:

In Reply to: Re: Can Adjust. posted by Don S. on May 13, 1999 at 17:42:30:

I guess I am no good at reading instructions, because I did the same thing with mine, and it is still loose (no change at all).

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Re: stealth gunpower

Msg. 111720  Posted by Tony on May 14, 1999 at 21:37:00:

In Reply to: stealth gunpower posted by leslie chard on May 14, 1999 at 09:12:32:


Yeah I know about that bowhunting thing. I also
have hunted pigs and goats with my bows. I love hunting and hunt with anything that shoots.
Thats why I am excited about newing my interest in airgun hunting. I got my first pellet gun when I was 6, (dads don't let your kids read
this). It didn't take long to start shooting at birds
with that little gun. It was a old break barrel model with a smoothbore. I remember seeing
the pellets bounce off the grackles and starlings.
Thats when I discovered the importance of headshots. I'll catch up with you later.
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Re: Who We Are?

Msg. 111719  Posted by carlos on May 14, 1999 at 21:36:45:

In Reply to: Who We Are? posted by Ron on May 14, 1999 at 10:39:24:

15 year USAF Ammo troop from Texas, 4 overseas tours, 4 stateside assignments and holding(IYA AMMO YAS!). Some college but mostly S of HK(school of hard knocks). I like old Ford and Mercury's. Ever notice how many airgunners are also car nuts,too. Got back into airgunning and shooting about 5 years ago. Single but come from very large family(6 nephews,3 nieces and a great nephew on the way).
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Re: Who We Are?

Msg. 111718  Posted by Stephen Wardlaw on May 14, 1999 at 21:29:21:

In Reply to: Who We Are? posted by Ron on May 14, 1999 at 10:39:24:

Grew up in SouthWest & got my first BB gun at age 8 and my first powder gun at 12. Loved to hunt, race motorcycles and raise hell, but after moving East in the 60s, couldn't do any of those things, so I settled down and became a physician with a specialty in Laboratory Medicine. Am now a consultant and successful inventor (200+ patents) and just got back into airguns (and some black powder) a year ago. Love it! (Now if I could just wrangle a motorcycle...)
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Re: Who We Are?

Msg. 111717  Posted by Benoit Landry on May 14, 1999 at 21:21:36:

In Reply to: Who We Are? posted by Ron on May 14, 1999 at 10:39:24:

Wow!!! I thougt not many young folks posted here, but I realize now it's more than true!! I'm 17, still in high school. going to university of Ottawa(ottawa, Ontario, Canada) in 2 yeras, probably in mechanical engineering. I have owned a Marksman biathlon trainer, a crosman backpacker, 66 powermaster, and a friend lent me his RWS model 6G for a few months(best airpistol I've ever seen and shot. what a marvel compared to crosman's!!); I currently own a slavia 624-.177, a gamo G-1200, a crosman 2200 and a crosman 1322. I like mountain biking, fishing, and of course airgunning, the best hobby in the world!! :-)

Ben
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Re: Who We Are?

Msg. 111716  Posted by pilkguns on May 14, 1999 at 21:18:30:

In Reply to: Who We Are? posted by Ron on May 14, 1999 at 10:39:24:

35 years old, self employed as a firearms and knife engraver(with a world class reputation and clientale[I'm modest too]). For the past year and half have been importing World Class Steyr-Mannlicher airguns. Have worked as gunsmith for the US Shooting (Olympic) Team at various events for the last 8 years, 16 years in National Guard or Army Reserve, currently a CW2 in the Armement Repair field, married to great woman, two kids, 3 year old son and 5 year old daughter(she is leaving with me next week to go to Munich) and not ashamed to say Thank you Jesus for my wonderful life, even if it is a bit on the busy side right now :)

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Thanks for your help Rick

Msg. 111715  Posted by RBest on May 14, 1999 at 21:12:49:

In Reply to: Thanks One and All! posted by Rick Johnson on May 14, 1999 at 20:55:06:

Hope we hear from you soon. Russ
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Thanks One and All!

Msg. 111714  Posted by Rick Johnson on May 14, 1999 at 20:55:06:

I would like to thank everyone in the trade and in the hobby of airgunning for making my stay at Beeman so enjoyable. Y'all were friendly and patient (for the most part ;-)) and it was a pleasure to assist you while in Beeman Customer Service. I would like to extend an extra thanks to Tom and Edith for their efforts and support. But I'll be a bad cold- you won't get rid of me! I'll still be active on the various forums.

Again, thanks to all.

Rick


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Re: Who We Are?

Msg. 111713  Posted by DAS on May 14, 1999 at 20:51:27:

In Reply to: Who We Are? posted by Ron on May 14, 1999 at 10:39:24:

Here's my resume:

45 years old, married for 13, one son 12 years of age. Graduated from the Rochester Institute of Technology with a BS in Mechanical Engineering. Employed as a nuclear test engineer for 3 1/2 years on a nuclear powered aircraft carrier (Carl Vinson, CVN 70), nuclear powered submarines and a commercial boiling water reactor plant. Switched over to the high tech. field where I was employed as a process and equipment development engineer, the last 10 of which were with Intel Corp. Inventions include: "Improved Process for Deflashing IC Package Heat Slugs", published in the IBM Technical Journal and "Apparatus and Method for Controlling the Temperature of an Integrated Circuit Under Test", US patent approved. Semi retired in 1997 to do what I really like doing, repairing airguns! I am also an avid collector with about 90+ airguns currently in my collection.

Dave

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Re: Help with School program

Msg. 111710  Posted by Brad on May 14, 1999 at 20:45:24:

In Reply to: Help with School program posted by Rusty on May 14, 1999 at 20:10:07:

Contact Leo Lujan
Director of Junior Development
P.O. Box 3207
Brentwood, Tennessee 37024-3207
Office&Fax 615-831-0485

He will be able to give you as much help as anybody in the U.S.
He is involved with the Wolf Creek Foundation, They took over
the operation of the Olympic Shooting Complex outside Atlanta,
Georgia after the Olympics left. Do it you won't be disapointed.
Good Luck, I coach 4-H Shooting Sports, We shoot bb guns, air
pistol, and Sporter class air rifle. Let us know how you come out.
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Re: Crosman scope mounts

Msg. 111709  Posted by ProfHoff on May 14, 1999 at 20:35:16:

In Reply to: Re: Adding scope to Crosman 1377C? posted by Wampas on May 14, 1999 at 19:11:51:

Which is better (and why), the rather "smallish" 459MT or the much larger intermounts that extend down to the gun's main tube?

ProfHoff
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worst.. um. hunting mistakes

Msg. 111708  Posted by ERIC on May 14, 1999 at 20:35:05:

What are yours?
my list of the top 3.

1. I don't have a scope, so i usually have to ID birds by thier behavior and calls etc. just ther other day, i saw this huge swarm of ugly black birds drop into some nearby trees. They were making a "gaking" sound so I assumed they were starlings. Well, I sneak up on them quite and aim up at this bird which was a little out on a limb. I pulled the 392 close and pull the trigger slowly. Blam, the birds which were now easily idenfiable as starlings wizzed away, crackling nosily. I see a puff of feathers, and the bird falls. I walk up to toss it away and lo and behold, it was a robin! It must have been sitting there when the starlings had flown down and landed in it's tree. Trust me to pick off the one good bird in the tree.

2.Me and a friend were walking into my backyard to play a game of soccer when I noticed this huge black crow in the tree directly above us. I tell him to wait there and stand still. I rush in, grab the rifle, pump it up 12 times, and load one of the huge 28 grain korean pellets in there ( thanks dave!) these were surprisingly accurate. I go outside and pop him. He drops like he was hit with a .45 and falls down. unfortunatly, right on my friends head!

Well, that's it. Now tell me yours!
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Who needs Prozac when there are pellets !

Msg. 111707  Posted by RBest on May 14, 1999 at 20:28:10:

In Reply to: Re: Who We Are? posted by Mark Lemm on May 14, 1999 at 18:54:43:

You guys have discovered that too eh? It is a good way to relax. You get your breathing and heart rate down and forget about your troubles. Great therapy. Russ
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Re: Pellet for R1

Msg. 111706  Posted by Rick Johnson on May 14, 1999 at 20:26:23:

In Reply to: Pellet for R1 posted by DonT on May 14, 1999 at 16:11:16:

Premiers are very good, but give Beeman Kodiaks and Marksman FTS a few shots as well.

Rick

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Re: Opinion of Rx-1

Msg. 111705  Posted by Marty Jones on May 14, 1999 at 20:24:14:

In Reply to: Re: Opinion of Rx-1 posted by LOU V.K. on May 13, 1999 at 22:28:38:

Lou, I don't think I follow your statement. You
seemed to say that the only way to get better
than a Rekord trigger is to go to an Eliminator/
Crow Mag, but then you say they are abominable.
I've never shot an Eliminator; are they good or
are they bad?

best regards,

Marty Jones

*****************************

Posted by LOU V.K. on May 13, 1999 at 22:28:38:

In Reply to: Re: Opinion of Rx-1 posted by Jim on May 13, 1999 at 21:55:20:

IMHO,this is the best of both worlds. The only
way to get any better is to go to a Theoben
Eliminator,( Crow Mag.lll ),which has an
abomininable trigger.
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Re: Help with School program

Msg. 111704  Posted by Rick Johnson on May 14, 1999 at 20:24:11:

In Reply to: Help with School program posted by Rusty on May 14, 1999 at 20:10:07:

Rusty- Contact Beeman and ask for info on the Civilian Marksmanship Program from Sue Adams.

Rick
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Re: Who We Are?

Msg. 111703  Posted by RBest on May 14, 1999 at 20:22:21:

In Reply to: Re: Who We Are? posted by Nick on May 14, 1999 at 16:00:09:

Nick: can you do a barrel roll? ( Egg roll in China). :>) RB
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Re: Who We Are?

Msg. 111702  Posted by David P on May 14, 1999 at 20:21:39:

In Reply to: Who We Are? posted by Ron on May 14, 1999 at 10:39:24:

43yo physician practicing pediatrics. Got interested in airguns again recently as something to do with my 10yo son. Wife more understanding about airguns that my affinity for the computer. Have a BS G397 and RWS45. Will be getting another airgun as soon as it gets a l-i-i-i-i-tle closer to Father's Day. Either a Paul Watts R9 or a BSA Silverstar (when they get to America). If anyone can help me decide I'd appreciate it.
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Re: HELP

Msg. 111701  Posted by ERIC on May 14, 1999 at 20:20:51:

In Reply to: HELP posted by YO on May 14, 1999 at 19:59:37:

You're not talking about that 2100 thing are you. Uh.. I sort of like more power for squirrels,and .22 as they are pretty tough critters. promise you'll shoot at a reasonably close distance, okay?
Just go to your local mart store and buy some domed copperheads. No need to spend a ton of money buying those expensive premiers that cost half as much as your gun. The copperheads may even shoot better if your gun has a slightly tight barrel.
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Happy Birthday Todd ! nt

Msg. 111700  Posted by RBest on May 14, 1999 at 20:19:35:

In Reply to: Re: Who We Are? posted by Topper on May 14, 1999 at 13:44:34:

nt
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Re: Opinion of Rx-1

Msg. 111699  Posted by Mark Lemm on May 14, 1999 at 20:18:43:

In Reply to: Opinion of Rx-1 posted by Bill P. on May 13, 1999 at 16:43:55:

I've never shot one, but I have shot a rammed .22 R1 and you're probably better off going that route. I would get it in .22 though as that's probably the best caliber for that combination. Straightshooters had a rammed R1 in stock as of last week you might what to check with them and see if they still have it.

-Mark
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Re: HELP

Msg. 111698  Posted by Mark Lemm on May 14, 1999 at 20:12:14:

In Reply to: HELP posted by YO on May 14, 1999 at 19:59:37:

Contact airgun express or straightshooters and order some.

-Mark
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Re: At the end of the greatest dream

Msg. 111697  Posted by ProfHoff on May 14, 1999 at 20:11:41:

In Reply to: Meet Walter Mitty posted by RBest on May 14, 1999 at 19:37:24:

Russ,

Nope, you werent in the dream. However, I suspect I'll see you one day in Airgun Heaven. Nice as that will be, I'm not quite ready to make the trip anytime soon.

Regards,

ProfHoff
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Help with School program

Msg. 111696  Posted by Rusty on May 14, 1999 at 20:10:07:

I would like to pick the brains of anyone out there that might be able to offer some information I could present the school with where my son goes to see if we could get them to start an air rifle team. I know it is an olympic sport and some students can earn help with school bills as a result of their sports skills. If anyone could offer anything else I could present to the adminstration when I talk to them I would be most grateful. Feel free to e-mail me off the list if you like.
Thanks,
Rusty <
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Re: Beeman ERMA ELG10

Msg. 111695  Posted by trevor on May 14, 1999 at 20:09:26:

In Reply to: Re: Beeman ERMA ELG10 posted by Ephraim on May 14, 1999 at 08:23:18:

At last you'll be able to sleep! Sounds nice,what is the serial # Ephraim?
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Re: HELP

Msg. 111694  Posted by Ron B on May 14, 1999 at 20:09:11:

In Reply to: HELP posted by YO on May 14, 1999 at 19:59:37:

YO,

Try rocks, the hand is not near as sensitive to caliber as a pellet gun.

Best I can do with the limited information supplied.

Ron
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HELP

Msg. 111693  Posted by YO on May 14, 1999 at 19:59:37:

I can't get pellets and I'm trying to go squirrel hunting with a 755 fps crossman air rifle please help

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Re: EB20 Trigger

Msg. 111691  Posted by ERIC on May 14, 1999 at 19:57:55:

In Reply to: EB20 Trigger posted by rk on May 14, 1999 at 14:46:04:

Like JW said, send it to mac-1. Get a steriod tune on it as well. The steirod lowered my benjys horrid 9 lb trigger to a nice 3 lbs!
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Re: Pellet for R1

Msg. 111690  Posted by ERIC on May 14, 1999 at 19:54:44:

In Reply to: Pellet for R1 posted by DonT on May 14, 1999 at 16:11:16:

I never met a gun that didn't like premiers. You can also try fts ( are they availble in .20?) if they are. They're kind of heavy but your r1 should be able to handle them.
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Re: Who We Are?

Msg. 111689  Posted by RBest on May 14, 1999 at 19:52:19:

In Reply to: Re: Who We Are? posted by Garry L on May 14, 1999 at 14:04:02:

Garry: I loved those old Phantoms! ( RF-4C was my bird)F-106 Delta Darts too. RB
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Re: Washing Primiers?

Msg. 111688  Posted by ERIC on May 14, 1999 at 19:51:10:

In Reply to: Washing Primiers? posted by John Studt on May 14, 1999 at 18:11:05:

I'll give it my best shot ( no pun intended).
The stuff on the premiers are lead dust. this will dirty your barrel. Washing it cleans it off. If I remember correctly, you place a bunch of the pellets inside a , um, whats it called? You know, the bowl with a bunch of holes in it. Then run warm water and the soap over and stir gently. then take them out and dry with a blow dryer. There!
you can do this with not just premiers, but also many other kinds of pellets.
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Re: What does this 'sign' mean?

Msg. 111687  Posted by Doug Law on May 14, 1999 at 19:48:25:

In Reply to: What does this 'sign' mean? posted by Mike [U.K] on May 14, 1999 at 13:34:09:

I believe it is a mark indicating lower power (six joules) I think for airguns sold in Germany. It seems I have seen that Pentagon surrounding an F on reviews of some vintage German made airpistols. Suggest check review of other pistols like the Walther LP-53 or LP2-I think that is where I saw that information. I hope this helps.


Nevada Air Gun Addict
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Re: Who We Are?

Msg. 111686  Posted by Rusty on May 14, 1999 at 19:47:52:

In Reply to: Who We Are? posted by Ron on May 14, 1999 at 10:39:24:

42-year old father of one son and husband of one wife. Live in the Tampa Bay area and am getting started in puff guns. I have trouble staying in anything long seem when I reach a level of profency that I am satisfied with I move on to another thing. In the past I have been "thru" PPC shooting durring a period as a law enforcement officer. I qualified as master. muzzleloading,trap,steel animals with a pistol, and traditional archery are all in my past.I enjoy the outdoors with my son and trying to be a good example to him. I am also a tractor trailer driverand am married to my wife of 20 years who is an R.N.
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BRV and the Pacific Northwest

Msg. 111685  Posted by John Mickel on May 14, 1999 at 19:41:49:

We have two 4 target tournaments scheduled for this month. May 18 & 25. We start at 3:30 p.m. and shoot 'til we're done. That's about 5:30. Remember, each each tournament is worth 40 champoints!! Big time, huh? john
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Re: Who We Are?

Msg. 111684  Posted by DAS on May 14, 1999 at 19:40:54:

In Reply to: Re: Who We Are? posted by ProfHoff on May 14, 1999 at 19:07:10:

Nothing like those old Beeza's! I owned a 1968 Spitfire Special MKIV back in my highschool days.

Dave

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Meet Walter Mitty

Msg. 111683  Posted by RBest on May 14, 1999 at 19:37:24:

In Reply to: Re: Who We Are? posted by ProfHoff on May 14, 1999 at 19:07:10:

ProfHoff: was I in your greatest dream? heh heh heh Russ
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Re: Quest for Jerry Rhodes concerning BSA 240 Magnum

Msg. 111682  Posted by jcbii on May 14, 1999 at 19:32:51:

In Reply to: Re: Quest for Jerry Rhodes concerning BSA 240 Magnum posted by BC on May 14, 1999 at 11:15:45:

I have to agree with you about the accuracy of the 850 (6m). When I purchased it sometime around the early 80's (maybe 1980?), I had the works done to it; supertune, triggershoe, muzzleweight, rosewood grips. The trigger is set so light that I think if you blow on it, the gun will fire. The last rat I shot was about 20 to 25ft away from me. I aimed just behind his front leg and fired; he did about a triple summersault off the wall, only to run about 45 feet before dying. I looked at the rat the next day and noticed it was shot right where I had aimed. I am impressed with this gun!! Only thing is power, I just don't think it has enough to be a real pest controller. You mentioned shooting a rabbit, but I don't think I would try it with mine.

Thanks for the reply! Nice shootin!
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Re: peep sight 4 SS

Msg. 111681  Posted by RBest on May 14, 1999 at 19:29:38:

In Reply to: peep sight 4 SS posted by Rusty on May 14, 1999 at 19:24:42:

Rusty: the Williams FP-GR is perfect for it, and a snap to put on. Williams Gunsight has a website, and they are sold by companies such as Natchez and Champion Shooters Supply. Russ
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peep sight 4 SS

Msg. 111680  Posted by Rusty on May 14, 1999 at 19:24:42:

My son see me shoot my 392 with the newly installed peep sight and now he would like to have one for his SS. Does anyone know of a source for such a thing as that?
Tnx,
Rusty <
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Re: Who We Are?

Msg. 111679  Posted by Quack on May 14, 1999 at 19:22:13:

In Reply to: Who We Are? posted by Ron on May 14, 1999 at 10:39:24:

Graduated from U-Michigan with a resource planning degree. Currently working for a prominat Civil Engineering firm in the Flint, MI area. Aside from airguns, I am a serious competetor at duathlon events. Currently own only 3 bikes; Carbon Fiber road bike, chromoly cyclo-cross and and Mtn. bike. I currently own a Crosman 140, BSA SS, Ben. 397 and a 2289. I have owned in the past a Crosman 766, RWS 34 and a Marksman 45. Later Quack

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LOU, ever find the caruaba? nt

Msg. 111678  Posted by Ron B on May 14, 1999 at 19:18:04:

In Reply to: Re: pellet sorting posted by LOU V.K. on May 14, 1999 at 13:21:15:


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Re: Who We Are?

Msg. 111677  Posted by Mike Reames on May 14, 1999 at 19:17:30:

In Reply to: Who We Are? posted by Ron on May 14, 1999 at 10:39:24:

My job for the last 25 yrs has been traveling around the state fixing boilers/chillers/machinery in factories/industrial market/schools. Electrical/mechanical. Married for 28 yrs to a very understanding woman, 2 kids,last one out of high school in a week or so. If it goes bang, I like it! Shot competitively the last 30 yrs or so, most shooting sports, Masters 5 times. IPSC, IHMSA Bullseye, HP rifle,Air, you name it, I shot/shoot it(so does my wife).Airguns: life long. Viet Vet, doorgunner/ helicopter electronics repair. I enjoy Life!
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Re: Adding scope to Crosman 1377C?

Msg. 111676  Posted by Wampas on May 14, 1999 at 19:11:51:

In Reply to: Adding scope to Crosman 1377C? posted by Scott Carter on May 14, 1999 at 13:18:56:

Scott,
Order the mount from Crosman. Model# 459MT, cost $4.95. Will fit 1322, 1377, 2240, 2250, 2260, & 2289. "Standard Dove Tail." HTH
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Re: stealth gunpower

Msg. 111675  Posted by ephraim on May 14, 1999 at 19:07:40:

In Reply to: stealth gunpower posted by leslie chard on May 14, 1999 at 09:12:32:

where can I get the stealth gun power? How much are they
going for.
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Whole Lotta Lead

Msg. 111674  Posted by Mac1 on May 14, 1999 at 19:07:25:

Our Lead sale ends Saturday May 15th. If you need prices send E-mail to mac1@null.null and ask for lead list. No orders will be honored after the 15th.

Later

Tim

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Re: Who We Are?

Msg. 111673  Posted by ProfHoff on May 14, 1999 at 19:07:10:

In Reply to: Who We Are? posted by Ron on May 14, 1999 at 10:39:24:

I'm a semi-retired professor of chemistry in a large midwest community college. Because I love the work, I'm still teaching part-time and tutoring for free. I greatly respect students who care about their education and are willing to hold up their end of the log. I was a research chemist with the USDA for 6 years before starting a teaching career that has turned out to offer rewards of the heart that transcend the income of research. Currently, I own an environmental testing business. I am greatly blessed to have a wife who says she is willing to keep me for another year --- 40 and counting. Rode motorcycles until last year -- a 1960 BSA B33 500 cc thumper, 1962 BSA 650 cc Super Rocket, and 1978 BMW R100/7. -- now all sold and dearly missed. Hobbies: the Inte.null, digital photography, and creative writing. Latest passion, airgunning -- re-awakened from the days of my youth. So far, I only own about eight. Have lots of catching up to do. I sure do enjoy the Airgun Forum and the civil posters who are so generous with their knowledge.

Actually, I'm a pretty ordinary old coot. However, I have always wanted to be like the fellow described below. The tale is not original with me. However, I did add a few embellishments of my own. Feel free to use it (or parts of it) when you next wish to humble the competition.


WonderMan

Indeed, though modesty forbids, I am a dynamic figure, often found regaling those who seek the time of day with the details of advanced horology. I remodel airports on my lunch hour, translate ethnic slurs for Cuban refugees, write award-winning operas, and I am able to train chickens to play the oboe. I can tread water for three days in a row. I manage time efficiently.

I woo the world's most beautiful women with my sensuous and god-like trombone playing. I can pilot my mountain bike up steep inclines at unflagging speed, and do it all without a trace of angina. I bake thirty-minute Brownies in twenty minutes, I am an expert at stucco, a veteran of the Academic Crusades, and an outlaw in Peru. I can start wars, quash rebellions, rescue fair maidens, and spin an almost unbreakable yarn from the underfur of the double-breasted Tasmanian Bandicoot.

Using only a hoe and a glass of water, I once single-handedly defended a large Amazonian village from an attack by army ants. I play bluegrass cello and scout for the Mets. I am the subject of PBS documentaries. When I am bored, I build suspension bridges in my back yard and occasionally enjoy a spot of hang-gliding in the Andes. On Wednesdays after classes, I repair electrical appliances for free. I am an abstract artist, a concrete analyst, and a passionate lover. Fashion critics world-wide swoon over my line of corduroy and terry-cloth evening wear. I do not perspire very much.

I am a private citizen, yet I receive fan mail. Last summer I toured New Jersey with a centrifugal force demonstrator. I bat .400. I have read my own poetry to the Iambic-Pentameter Societies of Sweden, McMurdo Sound, and Millstadt, and I have been a contra-basso-profundo stand-up comic who has performed before the crowned heads of Europe. My floral arrangements have won accolades in international botany circles. Children trust me.

I once read Paradise Lost, Moby Dick, War and Peace, and David Copperfield -- and still had time to restore and redecorate a southern mansion before bedtime. I know the exact location of every item in a supermarket. I sleep but once a week -- and when I do, I sleep in a chair. While on vacation in Canada, I once negotiated with a band of international terrorists who had seized a bakery. The laws of physics do not apply to me.

I balance, weave, dodge, and frolic. All my bills are paid. Every other weekend I participate in full-contact Origami. Three years ago I discovered the meaning of life, but forgot to write it down. I can produce four-course meals using only a blender and a toaster oven. I breed prize-winning clams. I have run with the bulls, gone cliff diving in Sri Lanka, won spelling bees in the Kremlin, and have climbed Everest wearing only boxer shorts and tennis shoes. I have played Hamlet, performed open heart surgery on myself, and I have spoken to Elvis.

However, all this is but ashes. My greatest dream is yet to be realized.
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Re: Who We Are?

Msg. 111672  Posted by ephraim on May 14, 1999 at 19:05:37:

In Reply to: Who We Are? posted by Ron on May 14, 1999 at 10:39:24:

I am a doctor practicing in internal medicine.
Have been collecting airgun for 12 years--got started
after meeting Paul Landrith in texas.
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Re: Who We Are?

Msg. 111671  Posted by Mark E. on May 14, 1999 at 19:02:21:

In Reply to: Who We Are? posted by Ron on May 14, 1999 at 10:39:24:

USMC, F/A-18 hydraulic and structures mech. I shoot mostly High Power Service rifle. I enjoy the air rifle because I can do it in my basement. It helps my worst position.(standing) I'm still new to "pa-tink" shooting but I am learning lots reading everyone's input.
Mark
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Re: Who We Are?

Msg. 111670  Posted by CJ on May 14, 1999 at 18:54:46:

In Reply to: Who We Are? posted by Ron on May 14, 1999 at 10:39:24:

Craig Pitts
Army HAWK ADA radar tech 9yrs
Lowrance Electronics,Tool Maker-Proto Machinist 10yrs. Married 13yrs in June two boys 7-11.
Hobbies,Airguns ,Fishing ,playing Bluegrass

Airguns
HW-77,RWS-34,Gamo Expo26[now my oldest sons],
have owned FWB-124,R-10,Gamo-126
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Re: Who We Are?

Msg. 111669  Posted by Mark Lemm on May 14, 1999 at 18:54:43:

In Reply to: Re: Who We Are? posted by Ken Hildebrand on May 14, 1999 at 16:43:57:

I'm putting an aperture sight on my HW 77 and shooting it in FT this weekend for the first time, can't wait. You're right, and I sure have discovered what a GREAT stress relief shooting air rifles is. If you ever target ideas just send me an e-mail. I love blowing things to bits!

-Mark
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Re: Who We Are?

Msg. 111668  Posted by Andrew Leung on May 14, 1999 at 18:52:44:

In Reply to: Who We Are? posted by Ron on May 14, 1999 at 10:39:24:

Chiropractor in the Silicon Valley...31 y.o. married with daughter due the 29th. Graduated with a medical science microbiology in G.nullic engineering for research and development...got too smart for my own good and became a R&D engineer for Applied Materials to be in a group that develope a Semiconductor Process machine that did .25 microns in the mid '80s (current technology today).
Motivation at that time was money...got paid lots....currently, still get paid lots but much more fun and stressful.

Made more famous after my hunt in USAirgun Magazine.

Life member of NRA, too much other hobbies to be involved in so this Airgun thing occupies about 8-10% of my fun.


got lots of mentors and really like motorsports.
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Re: pellet sorting

Msg. 111667  Posted by Jon B. on May 14, 1999 at 18:47:49:

In Reply to: Re: pellet sorting posted by jj on May 14, 1999 at 14:28:23:

jj: I am trying the pledge on a batch of pellets right now. Don't know if it will help my shooting, but they sure smell nice.
Jon B.
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Re: Who We Are?

Msg. 111666  Posted by JMartin on May 14, 1999 at 18:45:38:

In Reply to: Who We Are? posted by Ron on May 14, 1999 at 10:39:24:

43, Air Force, electrical engineer--O-4(Major) prior enlisted. 4 kids (set of 16 year old twins), 2nd marriage (wonderful). Into traditional archery bigtime, but needed a pigeon buster..hence my TX (will it EVER get here..been a whole week now). Retiring soon to COlorado to hunt fish and relax. wife's an RN. I love her a lot. Jeff
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Re: Who We Are?

Msg. 111665  Posted by RBest on May 14, 1999 at 18:32:40:

In Reply to: Who We Are? posted by Ron on May 14, 1999 at 10:39:24:

I'm a 50 yr old machine designer that concentrates on cold forming machinery. Our company also rebuilds and updates older machinery( I'm in charge of that dept.). I'm a VietNam vet- aerial reconaissance and photo intelligence. I've also held officers posts within the VFW. An avid airgunner for 43 years, I've shot or owned many kinds of airguns, but springers are what compose the largest percentage of my airguns. Past hobbies have included SCCA racing ( TRANS AM series)collecting motorcycles and helping my father run a Judo school.
Now a single parent, I was widowed in 1993; and I an tell you " it ain't easy raising teenagers". My oldest is now 23 and my youngest recently turned 18. Russ
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Re: Crosman 160 - What to look for...

Msg. 111664  Posted by Alan on May 14, 1999 at 18:18:02:

In Reply to: Crosman 160 - What to look for... posted by Scott Carter on May 14, 1999 at 13:39:11:

They are all good. I would pay only up to about $75 for a really nice one and count on having it resealed even if it holds now. I have found them as low as $45 for the older version. All 3 of mine sold quickly at Winston-Salem 2 years ago at $75 to $125. Alan.
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Washing Primiers?

Msg. 111663  Posted by John Studt on May 14, 1999 at 18:11:05:

What is the washing thing with Premiers? I have noticed that they have a sort of dry residue on them. Does this need to be removed? What is the issue here, can you explain?

Thanks,

John
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Re: Who We Are?

Msg. 111662  Posted by STEVE H. on May 14, 1999 at 18:08:49:

In Reply to: Who We Are? posted by Ron on May 14, 1999 at 10:39:24:

TRAFFIC, COMMERCIAL INSERTION.
MULTI-H.E. 10,000 SPOT/DAY
B/S M/S

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Re: SUPERSPORT

Msg. 111661  Posted by RBest on May 14, 1999 at 18:06:10:

In Reply to: Re: SUPERSPORT posted by jw on May 14, 1999 at 12:23:30:

My .22 SS gets along well with a few different pellets. Beeman Silver Bears ( best velocity),Crosman Premiers, Marksman FTS and BSA Excaliburs. Russ
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Re: Measure Heads

Msg. 111660  Posted by Don S on May 14, 1999 at 17:46:57:

In Reply to: pellet sorting posted by jj on May 14, 1999 at 12:14:48:

I have some Daisy pointed pellets that I have sorted: 1st visually and then by measuring the heads with a feeler guage type caliber. I set them pointing upward and pass my feeler guage over each one...Those that it will barely pickup are keepers and those that it can't are rejected....Of course, it's not perfect and on a scientific level I don't know whether it does any good...I think statistician would require 30 five shot groups before they would apply their mathematics....Anyway I think I get better groups and I'm happy with that.
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Will SSP 250 Barrels fit Crosman 2289?

Msg. 111659  Posted by TM on May 14, 1999 at 17:40:22:

I have a chance to buy an older style 2289 or maybe its a 1789. Anyway, it is a backpacker model that shoots .177 caliber pellets.
It has the same style reciever, cocking knob, and loading port as the SSP 250. Does anyone know if the SSP 250 barrels will fit this rifle?

Thanks in advance for any help provided.
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Re: Adding scope to Crosman 1377C?

Msg. 111658  Posted by Don S. on May 14, 1999 at 17:37:40:

In Reply to: Adding scope to Crosman 1377C? posted by Scott Carter on May 14, 1999 at 13:18:56:

I still have the box that the scope mount came in. It reads "Crosman AirGuns...Dovetail Intermount Kit...for use with Crosman Models 357, 1322 and 1377"....Check also the post below "The Intermount".....These cost about $10..I got mine at Jumbo Sports but Crosman sells than also.
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Re: Who We Are?

Msg. 111657  Posted by Paul on May 14, 1999 at 17:32:19:

In Reply to: Who We Are? posted by Ron on May 14, 1999 at 10:39:24:

Very interesting thread!
I'm a 49 year old Professional Structural Engineer,BS&MS Civil Engineering from Penn State. Married 25 yrs.(to same wife!), 2 boys ages 18 and 20 and a 15 year old daughter who is waayyyy too pretty for her own good(hmmmm, is there an airgun hunting season on teenage boys??). I've only been following this board for a few weeks but in that time have purchased a BSA 240 Mag and a TX200 MK5 to go along with an RWS 34,Marksman Mod. 70 and a Hyscore 801. My other hobby which takes up most of my spare time and $ is bass fishing. It's nice knowing a little something about everybody!
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Airgun Assembly

Msg. 111656  Posted by Bevan on May 14, 1999 at 17:29:24:

hello there...I have a crosman model 2100 and I need some instructions on how to assemble it again.......I have the neccesarry parts. thank you.
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Re: FWB 124 velocity,with Maccari tune?

Msg. 111655  Posted by Forrest Gump on May 14, 1999 at 17:15:01:

In Reply to: FWB 124 velocity,with Maccari tune? posted by Joey on May 13, 1999 at 19:10:26:

My gun was worked on by Paul Watts. It shoots 7.9s at 920fps. 10.5s at 765.
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Re: Pellet for R1

Msg. 111654  Posted by Forrest Gump on May 14, 1999 at 17:12:21:

In Reply to: Pellet for R1 posted by DonT on May 14, 1999 at 16:11:16:

Go with Crosman Premiers or Beeman Silver Bears.

Bubba Gump
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Re: Who We Are?

Msg. 111653  Posted by MikeD on May 14, 1999 at 17:06:35:

In Reply to: Who We Are? posted by Ron on May 14, 1999 at 10:39:24:

44-year-old architect, junior partner and project manager for largest and oldest firm in Knoxville, Tennessee. Happily married, father to two very short but bright and consistently entertaining children, she a high school junior, he a seventh-grader.

Season-ticket holder for UT Volunteers (that would be your current NATIONAL CHAMPIONS so you Gator fans just keep on stewing until at least September...!) Other interests include bad but enthusiastic saxophone playing and scale aircraft models.

Fell deeply in love with a Benjamin 347 as a high schooler, re-discovered "serious" airguns 15 years ago, haven't been right in the head since.


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Re: Who We Are?

Msg. 111652  Posted by Ross on May 14, 1999 at 16:58:23:

In Reply to: Who We Are? posted by Ron on May 14, 1999 at 10:39:24:

33, CPA, Business Manager for Central Michigan University's Athletic Department. CMU alumni; BS in BA, majors: Finance & Accounting. I also have a small tax practice out of my house. In addition, I operate a mobile DJ service (since age 17).

I just got back into air guns a couple of months ago. I used to shoot my Daisy Red Ryder and then my Daisy 880 plenty in my teen years. So far I have a .22 SuperSport, P1 and a Gamo R-77 Combat. Like many of you...I have somewhat of an addiction to this forum.

I am getting married for the first time next month. I thought I better buy some toys first. I still have a few guns on my wish list: .22 PE, .22 Crow, Steriod, etc. I think she will understand!
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Re: Who We Are?

Msg. 111651  Posted by Ken Hildebrand on May 14, 1999 at 16:52:55:

In Reply to: Re: Who We Are? posted by Phillip Reedy on May 14, 1999 at 14:58:24:

That dreaded curse of handsomeness again! Seems to be a common problem among us airgunners.

I always said "Why couldn't I have been born rich, instead of so damn handsome!"

Oh well...


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Re: Who We Are?

Msg. 111650  Posted by Mikael on May 14, 1999 at 16:47:14:

In Reply to: Who We Are? posted by Ron on May 14, 1999 at 10:39:24:

I'm 28 years old and works with a CNC-mill. I live in Sweden. I have been thinking about a new career for a while now because i have developed an allergi against the cutting fluid. The problem is that i realy like what i do, not the money because there is a insurance that pays all the expensives until i get another job.
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Re: Who We Are?

Msg. 111649  Posted by Ken Hildebrand on May 14, 1999 at 16:43:57:

In Reply to: Re: Who We Are? posted by Mark Lemm on May 14, 1999 at 15:19:18:

You betcha !

And can you imagine a 7 year-old using a Windows 95 (or 98) PC (Piece of Crap). Hey Windows 2000 will be out soon--let's all run out and buy the upgrade! I wonder how big our hard-drives will have to be now ?

Airgun content: Just shot my HW77K a couple dozen time to relieve built-up computer stress. I love this air rifle!

Ken
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Re: www.natchezss.com

Msg. 111648  Posted by DonT on May 14, 1999 at 16:36:30:

In Reply to: www.natchezss.com posted by rk on May 14, 1999 at 15:26:13:

Thank you very much for the address.
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Re: Who We Are?

Msg. 111647  Posted by Bas on May 14, 1999 at 16:31:38:

In Reply to: Who We Are? posted by Ron on May 14, 1999 at 10:39:24:

I am 33 yrs old and single. I am a laboratory engineer. I studied instantly for medical research, but am working now in a chemical lab, for a half year. Have good luck fellows.
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DIFTA match report and photos now online

Msg. 111646  Posted by The Airgun Letter on May 14, 1999 at 16:31:03:

The report and photos for the latest DIFTA match is now online. The link below will take you to that Web page. In addition to the regular photos of the shooters and winners, we also have some photos of offhand-shooter Dave Shames giving some tips to airgunners who were teamed with him. Those of you who are interested in learning more about offhand shooting might be interested in this. The links to those pages and their accompanying text are near the end of the DIFTA match report.

Edith Gaylord
The Airgun Letter
staff@null.null
http://www.airgunletter.null
http://www.airgunletter.com

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Re: SUPERSPORT

Msg. 111645  Posted by Mikael on May 14, 1999 at 16:30:53:

In Reply to: SUPERSPORT posted by CHRIS on May 14, 1999 at 11:53:55:

My supersport shots realy good with Gamo hunter, i think they are the same as BSA excalibur.
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Re: EB20 Trigger

Msg. 111644  Posted by JW on May 14, 1999 at 16:24:15:

In Reply to: EB20 Trigger posted by rk on May 14, 1999 at 14:46:04:

You can have a trigger job done on it. Mac-1 does them. They also sell a trigger shoe for $5 that makes a world of difference in they way it feels.

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Re: What does this 'sign' mean?

Msg. 111642  Posted by DAS on May 14, 1999 at 16:19:23:

In Reply to: What does this 'sign' mean? posted by Mike [U.K] on May 14, 1999 at 13:34:09:

Mike,

My "Eurodans" (Export Sheridan Blue Streaks) have exactly the same marking.

Dave

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Re: Who We Are?

Msg. 111641  Posted by WJS/wi/usa on May 14, 1999 at 16:17:39:

In Reply to: Who We Are? posted by Ron on May 14, 1999 at 10:39:24:

44 year old restaurant owner in rural resort area in the midwest. I've got way too many airguns to count now. Have an excellent wife who actually buys me more guns! The last one she bought me was a anitque Ball-Flask rifle from the 1830's. I think I'll keep her. ;^D

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Pellet for R1

Msg. 111640  Posted by DonT on May 14, 1999 at 16:11:16:

I would like to get some opinions from experienced airgunners re. the pellet that works best in the R1 .20 rifle. I have been shooting my R1 now for approximately 2 weeks. I am presently using Beeman H&N match pellets. I am getting tighter & tighter groups but would like to minimize experimentation & frustration if I could.
Again thanks for any input on this subject.

Happy shooting
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Re: Who We Are?

Msg. 111639  Posted by Nick on May 14, 1999 at 16:00:09:

In Reply to: Who We Are? posted by Ron on May 14, 1999 at 10:39:24:

Chinese Jet Pilot
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What's the latest?

Msg. 111637  Posted by Steve G on May 14, 1999 at 15:56:54:

I heard the SM 1000 was going to be discontinued. I was thinking of selling mine, should I hang onto it? If it is discontinued, how would this effect the value?
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More detailed information..........

Msg. 111636  Posted by Jerry Rhodes on May 14, 1999 at 15:32:49:

In Reply to: Re: Barrel Droop, kind of a misnomer. posted by Jerry Rhodes on May 14, 1999 at 00:44:04:

We seem to have all forgotten that ld posted a good explanation back in March.

I am going to re-post it now, maybe I'll be able to remember it more than a month this time.

As posted by ld Sat, 20 Mar 1999 12:55:05 -0800


Why droop? First off, break barreled rifles recoil enough to "throw" the pellet higher than
the sight plane, requiring a front sight higher than normal, but this is compounded by the
common practice of having the rear sight mounted on the back end of the barrel, and,
were it not for "droop" the resultant geometry would either require the rear sight design to
be quite low, or the front sight would need to be even higher still, looking out of place!
Also, these higher sights would compromise short range shooting the same way a scope
does, and require a stock with higher cheekpiece, raising costs. When upgrading,
Europeans are used to putting a decent target type peepsite on, rather than an expensive
scope. Without "droop", most Target type Peepsites are too high, and couldnt work
unless a correspondingly high front sight is mounted as well! The incorporation of
"droop" solves these problems neatly. Americans and Brits more often desire to fit a
scope, so they run into the problem of how to cope with shooting at very short ranges,
where a scope really isnt required at all, but they want to "force" the gun to shoot decently
with a giant scope that is really suited for very long ranges due to size and power. Were a
good 3/4" tubed 4X scope fitted with low mounts, there wouldnt be any problem zeroing
the scopes, but very large high power scopes should be fitted using a mount with built in
droop to compensate for the barrel droop, as well as the "need" to shoot "dead on" at
very short ranges. Me? I often simply bend the barrel back up to eliminate the droop if I
want to use a peep or high scope! I have found no adverse effects from doing it to dozens
of guns. ld


Thanks,

ld.
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www.natchezss.com

Msg. 111635  Posted by rk on May 14, 1999 at 15:26:13:

In Reply to: How can I locate Natchez posted by DonT on May 14, 1999 at 15:17:54:

Check out the "Sales" Link for the specials on scopes.

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Re: Who We Are?

Msg. 111634  Posted by Mark Lemm on May 14, 1999 at 15:24:35:

In Reply to: Who We Are? posted by Ron on May 14, 1999 at 10:39:24:

32 Self-Employed computer consultant (Mac & PC) and database programmer (use FileMaker Pro). Love the Macs tolerate the PC's but love being self-employed.

Bought a Blue Streak when I was 12 a Vulcan when I was 15. Since getting on this forum 8 months ago I have put a ram in the Vulcan, got my Streak at Mac 1 for a steriod tune, bought a HW77 in .22, and I have a custom everything .20 R9 on the way from JM. When will it ever stop...

Happy Shooting!

-Mark
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Adjustable Butt pads- Who has them ?

Msg. 111633  Posted by Chip Gibbs on May 14, 1999 at 15:24:18:

I have a Field target stock comming for my TX 200
and am looking for an adjustable butt pad to
finnish it off. I have looked at the "Brownells"
site and they carry the Morgan type, Are there
any others I should consider ?
Who manufactures the pads on guns like the CR97
and Pro-Target and are these available ?

Thanks
Chip
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Re: Who We Are?

Msg. 111632  Posted by Mark Lemm on May 14, 1999 at 15:19:18:

In Reply to: Re: Who We Are? posted by Ken Hildebrand on May 14, 1999 at 13:54:57:

Lets here it for Macintosh users!! My favorite quote "The box said requires Windows 95 or better so I bought a Macintosh."

-Mark Lemm
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How can I locate Natchez

Msg. 111631  Posted by DonT on May 14, 1999 at 15:17:54:

I have been reading postings about the great deals on Bushnell scopes from Natchez. How do I locate this company? Do they have a web page?
Thanks in advance for a response.
Happy shooting
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Re: Who We Are?

Msg. 111630  Posted by Phillip Reedy on May 14, 1999 at 14:58:24:

In Reply to: Who We Are? posted by Ron on May 14, 1999 at 10:39:24:

Unbelievably handsome 38 y.o. Physician Assistant, graduate of The University of Texas Medical Branch at Galveston. Also did 8.5 years as a USAFR C-5 Galaxy Loadmaster, ending up with over 2000 hours in the "aluminum overcast". Quit two years ago to move to Germany with my active-duty USAF wife.
Only airgunning for two years -- started off with an IZH-46 and an old RWS 75 TO1 (former target shooter, dontcha know....). Inadvertently started at 10m rifle collection, and now have a FWB 300s and P-70, and a Walther LGV. There's also a Steyr LP1P around here somewhere, mainly used for shooting dandelion heads in the field behind our backyard. Sure am glad that the wifey doesn't mind the continual feeding of the airgun addiction.

have fun,
Phil Reedy

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Re: Who We Are?

Msg. 111629  Posted by Dave Monck on May 14, 1999 at 14:53:29:

In Reply to: Who We Are? posted by Ron on May 14, 1999 at 10:39:24:

Now retired through illness ( I survived a ruptured aortal aneurysm but woke up with a non-functioning left foot) I was involved in the European hardwood / plywood / veneer industry for about 30 years. Was Development officer for the British FT Association for about 12 years and its Secretary for around 4 and am currently a Vice President of the organisation. Have started two FT clubs in England - which are still running successfully and run the BFTA "Clubfinder" service as well as writing and producing a "Club Starter" pack Currently getting fit enough to shoot in the World FT Championships in Norway in August (someone has to be at the tail end!) Enjoy fixing spring guns, restoring an aged French Renault 5 Automatic car ( The hatchback of Notre Dame) and enjoying all the extra my survival has given me to spend with my wife, kids and newly acquired grandchildren. Am also a lover of Cricket, the game that we non-religious English play to give us an idea of what eternity might be like.
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EB20 Trigger

Msg. 111628  Posted by rk on May 14, 1999 at 14:46:04:

Love my EB20 - very happy with the power (of course I could always use more!) and VERY happy with the accuracy.

The only thing I can't stand is the trigger. It's way too heavy- any ways to lighten it up?

Thanks,
rk
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Re: Who We Are?

Msg. 111627  Posted by Jon on May 14, 1999 at 14:30:17:

In Reply to: Who We Are? posted by Ron on May 14, 1999 at 10:39:24:

I'm a 47 year old Ph.D. who is a Program Manager for a large aerospace company (Lockheed Martin). For the past 14 years I have been developing computer systems for NASA. My other passion is biking, I'm an avid road and mountain biker. I'm mostly interested in shooting vintage airguns, particularly Crosman's. I currently own a 99, 600, 338, 1200, SA6, Hahn 45, Mark I, and the new C40.

I have a wife, two kids, no dog, and expect to put up the white picket fence this summer!
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Re: pellet sorting

Msg. 111626  Posted by jj on May 14, 1999 at 14:28:23:

In Reply to: Re: pellet sorting posted by LOU V.K. on May 14, 1999 at 13:21:15:

Sizing - It just seems that the groups are better
after sizing.

Lube - Other than making a mess, I don't see the reason for lubing, Tried FP-10 and ruined a pair of jeans, also tried air tool oil. Think it was the FP-10 that leaked out of the barrel and onto my jeans. Thought about Pledge, but figured tht the lead was soft enough that it really didn't matter.
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Re: Who We Are?

Msg. 111625  Posted by Mike [U.K] on May 14, 1999 at 14:21:02:

In Reply to: Who We Are? posted by Ron on May 14, 1999 at 10:39:24:

Retired British Airways cabin crew member (25 years) now living in a beautiful valley in South Wales. Still enjoying the freedom of being able to purchase and use CO2 powered airguns without the whole load of hassle we had in the UK until the year before last. Other main interest is motorbike riding through this gorgeous county of Monmouthshire. Current machine is a Cagiva 'River', about which I have mixed feelings! (Anybody else got one?) It's a 600cc single that produces only 34bhp! �40 for a new clutch cable did'nt help at all. Current 'fav' airgun is the Crosman 600 'Dream Machine'. Nothing else comes close at the moment, but that could change at any time! You know airguns. Mike
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Re: SUPERSPORT

Msg. 111624  Posted by Les on May 14, 1999 at 14:17:52:

In Reply to: SUPERSPORT posted by CHRIS on May 14, 1999 at 11:53:55:

Use very heavy pellets at first or it'll diesel like crazy and sound like .22LR. I used Kodiaks. RWS superdomes were good for accuracy later; I now use Eley Wasp as they're almost as accurate and cheaper (note my gun is .177). Watch the safety - it will work it's way back through a hundred rounds or so until the sear won't engage. Push the safety forward every now and then (I don't set the safety while cocking).

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Re: Who We Are?

Msg. 111623  Posted by Mako on May 14, 1999 at 14:08:07:

In Reply to: Who We Are? posted by Ron on May 14, 1999 at 10:39:24:

A minister among us! :-) Can we be saved? My wife doesn't think so. :-)

I''ve been an assistant cinematographer for almost 21 years now. Basically a highly paid mule that has to carry around a lot of camera gear around and try to keep things in focus (on the screen). Did movies for 7 years (Blues Brothers, Footloose, Red Dawn, Silverado and a bunch of crap). Now much happier doing T.V. commercials (sorry, someone has to do them).

R7, P3, IZH-46 (really getting into 10 meter shooting). Also shoot silhouette and use to shoot field targets, but am now waiting to get a competative rifle.

Can't wait for my 9 year old boy to want to start shooting. He's still happy with his rubber band gun and nerf guns. I think the wife might have gotten to him about the airguns. :-(

Old enough to know I (and most others) aren't really that intelligent, but happy discovering more questions! :-)
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Re: Who We Are?

Msg. 111622  Posted by Garry L on May 14, 1999 at 14:04:02:

In Reply to: Who We Are? posted by Ron on May 14, 1999 at 10:39:24:

33,single.4 years USAF,crew chief on F-4E's(still know the panel #'s).Last 11 years have been as a printing press operator,currently a Miller TP41.My hands haven't been clean in 15 years.
Garry
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Re: Who We Are?

Msg. 111621  Posted by Roger on May 14, 1999 at 13:57:17:

In Reply to: Who We Are? posted by Ron on May 14, 1999 at 10:39:24:

Also a small country lawyer in my hometown of North judson, In. Live in Valparaiso, In. Own a SSP250, Marksman Biatholon Trainer and a IZH46. Wife is understanding enough of the hobby that she bought me range time at the local sports center.
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Re: Who We Are?

Msg. 111620  Posted by Ken Hildebrand on May 14, 1999 at 13:54:57:

In Reply to: Who We Are? posted by Ron on May 14, 1999 at 10:39:24:

Age 45. BS degrees in Mathematics and Computer Science (1976) from Youngstown State University.

Sr Systems Analyst, designing/programming Mainframe Computer Applications. Everyone's going to PC's and client servers (what a bunch of unreliable crap! Technology changes way to fast--costs big bucks!). I've been with the same company now for almost 24 years. At home I use an iMac computer--much better then the Compaq Deskpro (I renamed it to Compcrap Turdo-2000) that I have to use at work.

Love airguns, harmonicas, and model trains.

Ken

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Reminder!!!

Msg. 111619  Posted by Mako on May 14, 1999 at 13:52:33:

The Shade Tree Shooters, Ballistic Debating & Brunch Club, will be hosting their monthly airgun silhouette shoot at Angeles Ranges on Saturday, May 15th, at 10AM. Sign in and Sighting in starting at 9AM.

Pistols and Rifles. BBQ and Potluck lunch afterwards. $1 dogs!, soft drinks including caffine free coke. :-)

(NRA Silhouette Air Rifle is now an approved tournament. Rifle classification books now available for $11.25)

Informal 10 meter shoot after lunch ...

Directions to Angeles Shooting Ranges, 12651 Little Tujunga Canyon Rd., Lake View Terrace/San Fernando (800) 499-4486.

Exit the 210 Fwy at Osborne, turn towards the hills, past the Seven Eleven, right up Osborne about two miles, pass the Ranger station, left at next turn off, follow signs to the ranges, go past high power ranges following signs to the Silhouette club.

Fresh air! Good company! You can even shoot long range (up to 200 yards) at cans if you want after lunch! See what that air gun can do!
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Re: Crosman 160 - What to look for...

Msg. 111618  Posted by LOU V.K. on May 14, 1999 at 13:46:22:

In Reply to: Crosman 160 - What to look for... posted by Scott Carter on May 14, 1999 at 13:39:11:


The major thing to look for on a 160,or167 is where the safety is located. The high priced,collectible version has a cross bolt safety,which goes through the stock.This version has a very crude trigger design,but is the collectible one,due to it's scarcity. The version which has a rotating safety catch through the front end of the trigger guard is the shooter. The trigger is fully adjustable,and,VERY nice,but it demands less money on the collectors market. Go figure.
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Re: Who We Are?

Msg. 111617  Posted by Topper on May 14, 1999 at 13:44:34:

In Reply to: Who We Are? posted by Ron on May 14, 1999 at 10:39:24:

Tax accountant with Big 5. Undergrad and graduate degrees from the University of Wisconsin - Madison.

36 years old today !!! Married 10 years. One daughter 2 and a half years old. Son due next Wednesday. What a great birthday present !!!

Got the bug last fall. Bought a FTD TX200 MKV two months ago. Can't stop now.

Todd


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Re: What does this 'sign' mean?

Msg. 111616  Posted by LOU V.K. on May 14, 1999 at 13:40:15:

In Reply to: What does this 'sign' mean? posted by Mike [U.K] on May 14, 1999 at 13:34:09:


The penta star means two things in this case.
#1,those S and W pistols with the penta star were export models,intended for the European market.
#2,the penta star is an indication that any pistol which wears it is within the legal power limit for German distribution.
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Crosman 160 - What to look for...

Msg. 111615  Posted by Scott Carter on May 14, 1999 at 13:39:11:

I'm going to see a guy this weekend who has a Crosman 160. I know from reading the posts that they are good guns and some are even valuable. What should I look for? He will probably sell it to me for a good price. Any advice to help me make an informed decision would help. Thanks,

Scott
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Re: Who We Are?

Msg. 111614  Posted by Rudy on May 14, 1999 at 13:37:02:

In Reply to: Who We Are? posted by Ron on May 14, 1999 at 10:39:24:

BS Petroleum Engineering
MS Computer Science
Current status: Senior Research Engineer for a major oil company where I specialize in engineering software development.
42 years old
Hobbies: airguns,big game hunting, fishing, weightlifting, gardening
Huntsman 177, RWS52 177, RWS 6G 177
I have two energetic sons ages 12 and 6
Currently negotiating the purchase of a nice secluded 160 acre country property where I can shoot to my hearts content!
Rudy

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What does this 'sign' mean?

Msg. 111613  Posted by Mike [U.K] on May 14, 1999 at 13:34:09:

A couple of Smith and Wesson '78Gs' that I own, have a letter 'F' in a pentagon situated on the left hand side of the frame above the trigger. Anybody got any idea what this sign means? It is not present on 2 of the earlier models with adjustable triggers that I have seen. Regards, Mike.
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Re: pellet sorting

Msg. 111612  Posted by LOU V.K. on May 14, 1999 at 13:21:15:

In Reply to: pellet sorting posted by jj on May 14, 1999 at 12:14:48:


Just as a matter of curiosity,why do you size your pellets,and,why do you not lubricate them?
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Adding scope to Crosman 1377C?

Msg. 111611  Posted by Scott Carter on May 14, 1999 at 13:18:56:

I have a nice 1377C, and I recently won a Crosman scope. The scope has mounts for traditional sight grooves. Does anybody know a way to add the scope to the 1377?

Thanks,

Scott
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Re: Air rifle for hunting

Msg. 111610  Posted by Rudy on May 14, 1999 at 13:11:29:

In Reply to: Air rifle for hunting posted by Meck on May 13, 1999 at 01:14:29:

Daystate Huntsman .20 w/ Leupold 6.5x20 scope
I use one in .177 18ftlb and really like it.
For varmint hunting you might consider an FT stock on it.
Rudy
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Re: stealth Chrono... what ever you want

Msg. 111609  Posted by Mike Reames on May 14, 1999 at 13:04:44:

In Reply to: stealth gunpower posted by leslie chard on May 14, 1999 at 09:12:32:

I have had a stealth for quite a while, and have several calibers for it. I can get about whatever velocity I want by using different springs, and orings. Right now, I am using 177 24"bbl, get about 100 shots at 775-825 or so, with lights. The gun is capable of throwing a 30 gr 22 pellet at 850-900...I also have a 32 barrel that puts out 60gr pellets at around 750, depending on charge and springs used. Very nice air rifle, I shoot it all the time, and am very pleased with accuracy/power/shots per charge. great value, IMO Mike
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Re: Ballistics - help

Msg. 111608  Posted by L. Pasdera on May 14, 1999 at 13:03:12:

In Reply to: Ballistics - help posted by Jeremy on May 13, 1999 at 05:35:33:

I use the ballistic program from Lame Rabbit Software. It includes a large list of coefficients for pellets and firearms.


Go to the site below for information.

http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/LameRabbit/
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Re: SUPERSPORT

Msg. 111607  Posted by Rick McAllister on May 14, 1999 at 12:57:40:

In Reply to: SUPERSPORT posted by CHRIS on May 14, 1999 at 11:53:55:

I am not an expert, and there are lots of others who know far more about the Super Sports than I do. Based upon my own experiences ... clean it very well before shooting � all external areas and inside the barrel. I waxed entire exposed areas with Johnsons Paste Wax. Use a flexible pull through cleaner instead of the rigid rod type for the barrel. Do not use cleaning pellets, or if you do, use two at a time with a pellet as a chaser. Break in with heavy pellets. I have had the best success with the BSA .22 Excalibur pellets for overall accuracy - purchased from Precision Sales. I buy 5000 at a time. I have lots of fun with my Super Sport. I can readily bust my 1� spinner targets from about 50 yards sitting on the ground in my version of an FT position. Accuracy is there.

Hope you enjoy yours.

Rick McAllister

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Air-Arms S310 .22 - Questions...

Msg. 111606  Posted by Pedro Mateus on May 14, 1999 at 12:54:14:

I'm about to buy a .22 Air Arms S310.
I would like to know if Crosman Premier .22 should be my best option for it.

I own a TX200 with a soft JM kit (900 fps on 7.9 grains Crosman Premier). Should I expect the same / better accuracy on the S310 - I can get half inch groups at 50 meters shooting offhand.

Also, how fast can I expect to shhot the 8 pellets on the cartdridge.

All feedback is very welcome.
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Re: Who We Are?--professional geek

Msg. 111605  Posted by chuck bridgeland on May 14, 1999 at 12:52:22:

In Reply to: Who We Are? posted by Ron on May 14, 1999 at 10:39:24:

"Field Engineer" for Inacom, on site, responsible for keeping all the computer and printers here working

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Re:Going to Alaska

Msg. 111604  Posted by carlo on May 14, 1999 at 12:42:37:

In Reply to: Re: Has anyone heard of recent Canadian Border trouble? posted by Conrad (SJ CA) on May 13, 1999 at 14:15:42:

You can call the Canadian Firearms Centre at (800) 731-4000 and get the
official runaround. They don't know what they are doing.

You can also contact the NFA and check with them. They should be
able to help you out (see attached URL)

I guess it all depends on the type of gun you want to transport.


Good luck,

Carlo.

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Re: Who We Are?

Msg. 111603  Posted by Rick McAllister on May 14, 1999 at 12:41:16:

In Reply to: Who We Are? posted by Ron on May 14, 1999 at 10:39:24:

Special Projects Manager with Airgas Mountain States in Charleston WV. Husband and father to a wonderful 8 year old son, and a 15 year old step-daughter that is getting far and away to much attention from the boys (wish she had a third eye or something like that). Graduate from WV Wesleyan with a BS in Bus. Admin/Econ. Vegetarian. Triathlete of 16 years � serious competitor for 10, but slowing down now at 40. Have 5 bicycles, one titanium in the $6000+ range. Founder and past Pres. of WV Tri-State Search & Rescue DOGS. No longer active with K9-SAR, but the team lives on very successfully. Background in skeet and combat pistol � now much happier with air. Into airguns less than a year. Gun safe has (1) PE .177, (1) R-7 .177, (1) BSA Super Sport .22, (1) BSA Meteor, (1) Daisy 1170 .177, (1) Marksman Biathlon Trainer .177. Someday more�
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Re: 28 day waiting period

Msg. 111602  Posted by carlo on May 14, 1999 at 12:36:29:

In Reply to: Re: How difficult is it to get a FAC in Canada?? posted by Tim2 on May 12, 1999 at 22:35:53:

I have been waiting over 6 months for my new FAC. The last one
took 13 months to show up.

Carlo.
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Without a secretary...

Msg. 111601  Posted by Homer on May 14, 1999 at 12:34:59:

In Reply to: Small town country lawyer who hit the enter instead of shift key (NT) posted by Rundel on May 14, 1999 at 11:00:34:

thats typical for a lawyer.H.
Ohio Sup.Ct.Reg.No.20348
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interesting, how do costs compare? (nt)

Msg. 111600  Posted by E Fudd on May 14, 1999 at 12:31:05:

In Reply to: Re: Exotic gasses! Shot Inconsistancy with helium posted by John Piper on May 14, 1999 at 10:14:02:


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Re: Westfield Match, No, its my daughter's Birthday.

Msg. 111599  Posted by Bill B. on May 14, 1999 at 12:24:12:

In Reply to: Re: Westfield Match, No, its my daughter's Birthday. posted by Luis Leon on May 13, 1999 at 21:39:42:

Luis,

Your daughter's birthday is far more important than knocking down a bunch of tin targets.

A Happy Birthday to the young lady. See you in June.

B.
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Re: SUPERSPORT

Msg. 111598  Posted by jw on May 14, 1999 at 12:23:30:

In Reply to: SUPERSPORT posted by CHRIS on May 14, 1999 at 11:53:55:

I've had two in .22 and they both loved RWS Superdomes
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Re: What I would buy if I recommended something to you

Msg. 111597  Posted by E Fudd on May 14, 1999 at 12:14:56:

In Reply to: What I would buy if I recommended something to you posted by H. Todd on May 13, 1999 at 15:21:01:

Think I'll make my own list for you.

Air rifle-Crow Magnum III .22
Air pistol-Benjamin H22(steroid if possible)
Rimfire rifle-Volquartsen 10/22
Rimfire pistol-Browning Buckmark
Centerfire rifle-Remington 700 .308
Centerfire pistol(defence)-Glock 22 .40 S&W
Centerfire pistol(hunting)-Ruger Blackhawk .44
Shotgun-Browning Lightning Sporting Clays

With the exception of the Glock, this list is primarily hunting guns which could hold their own on a target range if they had to. Like you I didn't put down my dream guns. Sure I'd rather have a Freedom Arms than a Ruger, or a Purdy than a Browning. Also I left out varmint rifles, PCPs, autoloading shotguns, defensive rifles, and a whole host of other guns I would like to have.
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pellet sorting

Msg. 111596  Posted by jj on May 14, 1999 at 12:14:48:

Just thought I would try this, since I got such GREAT info. on Offhand shooting.

Wondered what everyone else does to sort their pellets; I'll start;

First - wash them,

Second - size them - been using a .181 die for
my Harrier, and I suspect that this is
the die to use for most Daystates or
Lothar Walthar barrels even. Anyone who
sizes for a P70, please let me know what
size die you use for this gun. Could
save me a lot of time.

Third - weigh them - I found that there is a 100
fps difference between 7.9 cp's and 10.5
cps on my P70. So I think that there
could be a difference at over 25 yards
for even a slight difference in weight.

fourth - Inspect them using magnifing glass.

Rejected pellets - placed in a "bad pellet" box
usually used for practicing offhand.

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Re: Who We Are?

Msg. 111595  Posted by Jerry Rhodes on May 14, 1999 at 12:05:27:

In Reply to: Re: Who We Are? posted by jj on May 14, 1999 at 11:44:36:

John,

Get your terminology straight.

All of us are extremely intellligent.

None or few of us seem to be smart. :-)

Jerry
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Re: first air gun for 11 year old

Msg. 111594  Posted by Mark Lemm on May 14, 1999 at 12:04:26:

In Reply to: first air gun for 11 year old posted by Steve Gates on May 13, 1999 at 15:13:42:

You might want to consider either a SuperSport or R7 as well.

-Mark
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Re: Dumbest Crow in Ca. falls victim to Crosman 600

Msg. 111593  Posted by Jim C. on May 14, 1999 at 12:02:59:

In Reply to: Re: Dumbest Crow in Ca. falls victim to Crosman 600 posted by Andrew Leung on May 14, 1999 at 02:26:19:

As close as this guy was, I think a airsoft gun might have done the trick. The .22 flatty put a pretty good hole in him though. Had a fair amount of blood coming from the mouth too.
We had a Kodak moment before garbage can time to add to the scrapbook. I forgot to show you the rat video when you were over. Next time.
Jim

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Re: Who We Are? Notty Boy who lives with a gril fried and uses her cp am tore between airguns and wild love afires had a little troble puting HW 55 over fireplace mantle but im still here age 53. Will off for coffee with lady down the st. Later Willy.

Msg. 111591  Posted by Willy on May 14, 1999 at 11:56:37:

In Reply to: Re: Who We Are? posted by jj on May 14, 1999 at 11:44:36:

?

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Re: where can I buy stealth gunpower--any web site?

Msg. 111589  Posted by DBrown on May 14, 1999 at 11:55:23:

In Reply to: where can I buy stealth gunpower--any web site? posted by steven on May 14, 1999 at 11:39:39:

I bought mine from MAC-1. Their web page address is listed here at "Web Links." Very satisfied with the expertise that I received from MAC-1. Highly Recommend them.
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SUPERSPORT

Msg. 111588  Posted by CHRIS on May 14, 1999 at 11:53:55:

I just ordered a bsa ss in .22 from psi, with mounts, I have a scope already- do you have any suggestions about starting out- pellets, what to expect, etc- I have never owned such an animal before, only rifles and one .22 Benjimin- bought this gun after reading this forum for 2 weeks- thanks chris
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Re: Who We Are?

Msg. 111587  Posted by TER on May 14, 1999 at 11:52:28:

In Reply to: Who We Are? posted by Ron on May 14, 1999 at 10:39:24:


Helicopter mechanic for 15 yrs. Nurse in small rural hospital for past 5 yrs. Have aquired a dozen or so air rifles and pistols since first shooting dad's FWB124 in '79. Mostly springers, a couple of PCPs. First airgun was HW35DX fom ARH. Most recent is PE 22.
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Re: Who We Are?

Msg. 111586  Posted by Ron on May 14, 1999 at 11:51:29:

In Reply to: Who We Are? posted by Ron on May 14, 1999 at 10:39:24:

Journalism grad, University of Missouri, 30 years advertising/public relations, primarily in health care. VP with small agency. Caught the airgun bug early this year. Sold trap guns and bought .22 cal. Patriot and .177 cal TX200. This forum keeps things interesting.
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Re: Who We Are?

Msg. 111585  Posted by Newk on May 14, 1999 at 11:50:35:

In Reply to: Who We Are? posted by Ron on May 14, 1999 at 10:39:24:

First career, Air Force, first as an aricraft mechanic in Viet Nam and then as a microwave communications technician. Second career -- going on nine years -- maintenance supervisor for silicon wafer manufacturer in the Pacific Northwest. Have a Sheridan Blue and a TX 200. Other fun, flyfishing, cooking, gardening, driving the Miata, shooting starlings when the spouse isn't looking.

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Re: Anybody know why Paul Watts went out of business? N/T

Msg. 111584  Posted by John Studt on May 14, 1999 at 11:49:52:

In Reply to: Re: Anybody know why Paul Watts went out of business? N/T posted by Robert Hamilton on May 14, 1999 at 01:05:54:

That is sad news for us, but a completely respectable decision.
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Re: Who We Are?

Msg. 111583  Posted by DBrown on May 14, 1999 at 11:49:17:

In Reply to: Who We Are? posted by Ron on May 14, 1999 at 10:39:24:

1983 Graduate of Tennessee Tech Univ. Industrial Engineering. Materials Engineer (go figure) at NASA-Marshall Space Flight Center in Huntsville, Alabama.
39 years old. 2 children, Matthew-11, LeAnna-6. Baseball and T-ball - my life right now. Married to a farmers daughter. Her father still puts the fear of God in me.
Love to ride my dirtbike, KTM 300 EX
Just got braces
Favorite quote: "There is nothing about a Caterpillar that tells you it's going to be a Butterfly." -Buckminster Fuller-

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UNB Computer science grad. Telecomunications with Unix/NT nt

Msg. 111582  Posted by Alain on May 14, 1999 at 11:46:38:

In Reply to: Who We Are? posted by Ron on May 14, 1999 at 10:39:24:

nt
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Re: Who We Are?

Msg. 111581  Posted by jj on May 14, 1999 at 11:44:36:

In Reply to: Who We Are? posted by Ron on May 14, 1999 at 10:39:24:

Computer programmer, and not very intelligent, as I wouldn't be a computer programmer, if I were intelligent.
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where can I buy stealth gunpower--any web site?

Msg. 111580  Posted by steven on May 14, 1999 at 11:39:39:


Can you give me the best place to buy this gun and
its web site
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Re: stealth gunpower - have you chronoed it?

Msg. 111578  Posted by DBrown on May 14, 1999 at 11:37:05:

In Reply to: Re: stealth gunpower - have you chronoed it? posted by JW on May 14, 1999 at 11:12:44:

840 fps with 15gr FTS
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Re: Who We Are?

Msg. 111577  Posted by Jerry Rhodes on May 14, 1999 at 11:17:11:

In Reply to: Who We Are? posted by Ron on May 14, 1999 at 10:39:24:

University of Texas graduate, 2 years St. Mary's Law school (quit on "the dean's list" just in time). Independent Insurance Agent 31 yrs. Shooter for 56 yrs. first rifle was my dear old dad's Daisy Mod 25.

My sister's gave me a paper weight with a "snebbish" sitting in a chair with his feet propped up on his desk sub titled "I'm so smart I make myself sick." as a going off to college gift.

Favorite quote, "The eagle never flies backwards". Family tradition, caused a lot of trouble, come across as stubborn, but nice.

Jerry



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Re: Quest for Jerry Rhodes concerning BSA 240 Magnum

Msg. 111576  Posted by BC on May 14, 1999 at 11:15:45:

In Reply to: Quest for Jerry Rhodes concerning BSA 240 Magnum posted by jcbii on May 13, 1999 at 23:33:40:

Your 850 shouldn't be that far behind the 240. Mine chrono'd in the 420's with 8 grain pellets and the 240 is in the 475 region w/same pellets. Have cleanly taken several rabbits with 1 shot to head at 15yds. with my 6m, no kicking or anything. I had a 240 for a while and would prefer it ANY day over the current Webleys. The latch was a possible concern, but the quality overall was way above the Webley. NEVER had my Hurricane shoot better than tin can accuracy at 10 yds. and the 240 would at least be able to hit shotgun shells on most days at same range. Very difficult to master though.

If you are interested in non-gas pistols, I looked at a pair of Rutten pistols at last years Shot Show that were QUITE well made and hard shooters. I understand that Rutten will be imported now. You might check them out.

I'm not sure you'd be happy with a recoiling pistol after shooting your 850. They will be very difficult to shoot, comparatively.
Good luck
Bob

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Re: stealth gunpower - have you chronoed it?

Msg. 111575  Posted by JW on May 14, 1999 at 11:12:44:

In Reply to: Re: stealth gunpower posted by DBrown on May 14, 1999 at 10:39:50:

Have you ever chronoed the gun?
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Re: Which Simmons to buy?

Msg. 111574  Posted by Pedro Mateus on May 14, 1999 at 11:10:46:

In Reply to: Which Simmons to buy? posted by Joey on May 14, 1999 at 10:30:22:

I would go for the 44Mag. Better optics. Nice rangefinder. Make sure you get the one with turrets.
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Small town country lawyer who hit the enter instead of shift key (NT)

Msg. 111573  Posted by Rundel on May 14, 1999 at 11:00:34:

In Reply to: Re: Who We Are? posted by Rundel on May 14, 1999 at 10:58:44:



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Re: Who We Are?

Msg. 111572  Posted by Pedro Mateus on May 14, 1999 at 10:58:56:

In Reply to: Who We Are? posted by Ron on May 14, 1999 at 10:39:24:

Senior Marketing Manager on the IT industry

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Re: Who We Are?

Msg. 111571  Posted by Rundel on May 14, 1999 at 10:58:44:

In Reply to: Who We Are? posted by Ron on May 14, 1999 at 10:39:24:



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Re: Who We Are?

Msg. 111570  Posted by chieftd on May 14, 1999 at 10:53:12:

In Reply to: Who We Are? posted by Ron on May 14, 1999 at 10:39:24:

I'm career military, 22 years in the Air force. Started out as a radio operator
then retrained in 1980 as a C-141B Loadmaster. To date, been to
61 countries, over 4,000 hours flight time, and a house full of trinkets for the wife!
I have a Mac-1 tuned RWS 48 .22, Benjamin Steroid/Billet 392 (Mac-1 special) and a Maccari tuned
TX 200 MKII. chieftd
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Re: Who We Are?

Msg. 111569  Posted by Earl on May 14, 1999 at 10:48:55:

In Reply to: Re: Who We Are? posted by Wes on May 14, 1999 at 10:41:10:

Presbyterian minister...retiring in July after 38 years of pastoral ministry...Princeton Theological Seminary...average intelligence.
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Re: Who We Are?

Msg. 111568  Posted by Wes on May 14, 1999 at 10:41:10:

In Reply to: Who We Are? posted by Ron on May 14, 1999 at 10:39:24:

I am a marketing communications pro, an an intelligent one at that!
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Re: Dumbest Crow in Ca. falls victim to Crosman 600

Msg. 111567  Posted by Willy on May 14, 1999 at 10:40:35:

In Reply to: Dumbest Crow in Ca. falls victim to Crosman 600 posted by Jim C. on May 14, 1999 at 01:59:07:

Jim nice shot .T never herd of any body pop off a Crow with a air pistol?
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Re: stealth gunpower

Msg. 111566  Posted by DBrown on May 14, 1999 at 10:39:50:

In Reply to: stealth gunpower posted by leslie chard on May 14, 1999 at 09:12:32:

I have had my Mac-1 tuned Stealth for several weeks now. I absolutely love this gun. I get 65-70 shots per fill at full power + or - 40 fps. It is lightweight, powerful, accurate and just plain fun. It has a decent 2 stage trigger. I have a tech 90 red dot sight mounted on it right now. I also mount a BSA 3-12 AO sometimes. In 8 seconds I can break the gun down in 2 parts. I put it in my backpack and walk thru my neighborhood to the woods without rasing an eyebrow. Mine likes Marksman FTS pellets also. Of all the guns that have passed thru my hands over the past few years (Beeman R1, Kodiak, HW 50, full size Career, Hamerlli something or another, Webley Vulcan, Crosman 160, Crosman 114, Blue Streak, Crosman 100, 101, and Daystate Huntsman, there are 3 that I haven't considered selling: Career Carbine, Mac-1 tuned QB22, and my Stealth. Great Gun! I recommend you check with Mac-1. They will set the Stealth up, within reason, to your liking.
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Who We Are?

Msg. 111565  Posted by Ron on May 14, 1999 at 10:39:24:

Has there been any market research published on the socioeconomic profiles of airgunners? With the edxception of a few posts, it appears that most who participate are intelligent and decent folk. For starters, it would be interesting to know what types of careers are prevalent among airgunners. Anyone interested in starting a poll?
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Optima Scope?

Msg. 111564  Posted by Garry on May 14, 1999 at 10:35:07:

I saw a scope the other day that I have never seen before, its an 'Optima' 8-32X56 illuminated reticule.
I haven't heard of Optima before and wondered if its a re-badged? if so whose? Its looks kind of like a Hakko.
Its advertised as an all Japanese scope. Optics where very clear, target turrets, nice 56mm front lens and the price well quite high �595 about $900 but cheaper than boosted leupolds are over here. Anyone heard anything about it? How good is an illuminated reticule for FT?

Thanks for any help.


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Which Simmons to buy?

Msg. 111563  Posted by Joey on May 14, 1999 at 10:30:22:

Which one is better 44mag 6.5x20x44 or the 6.5x20x50 whitail classic.Qualiys,lenses overall look?
Thank you
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Check out my CB9 " Eurodan " for $110.00 + Samp;H...

Msg. 111562  Posted by DAS on May 14, 1999 at 10:24:38:

In Reply to: Sheriden .20 posted by Patrick on May 13, 1999 at 23:10:57:

Originally intended for the European market, these rifles produce 14+ ft.lbs after pump rod modification (included in price).

Dave

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Re: lost a post about pyramyd air - it's still around

Msg. 111561  Posted by The Airgun Letter on May 14, 1999 at 10:23:54:

In Reply to: lost a post about pyramyd air posted by daveyg on May 14, 1999 at 00:40:37:

You wrote:
Somewhere I saw a post asking if pyramyd air is
still around.I know I answered it, but now I can't
find it.
===================
The thread is about to be deleted because there were no postings since 5/10/99 - making the entire thread now a dead one as of 5/14/99. However, as I write this, it's still on the Airgun Forum but near the bottom.

Anyway, there was extensive discussion regarding why some people had difficulty accessing their Web site - I had no difficulty, but some others did. Pyramyd Air is, of course, still in business. I spoke on the phone with owner Josh Ungier earlier this week, and he's very excited about the new airgun lines he's carrying.

Edith Gaylord
The Airgun Letter
staff@null.null
http://www.airgunletter.null
http://www.airgunletter.com

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Re: stealth gunpower

Msg. 111560  Posted by Andrew Leung on May 14, 1999 at 10:17:16:

In Reply to: stealth gunpower posted by leslie chard on May 14, 1999 at 09:12:32:

the thing is accurate and powerful...put it this way, I was able to knock down a rimfire turkey silh. target at 77 meters.

It likes the Marksman FTS pellets.
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Re: Exotic gasses! Shot Inconsistancy with helium

Msg. 111559  Posted by John Piper on May 14, 1999 at 10:14:02:

In Reply to: Re: Exotic gasses! posted by burbago on May 13, 1999 at 21:19:10:

You're right about Helium producing more shot variation than air. One of these day's I'll splurge for an A-Team regulator and see if that keeps the power when using Helium constant over an acceptable range of shots. In case you're interested, here's some test results from using Helium and air at max power in my 0.25 cal Career carbine. Each test was run three times with air, then three times using Helium, with the averages given here;

Results of Helium vs Air:

Air: Average Velocity\Power; per shot average using 3 sets of 14 shots:
Clip 1; 910\65.7, 902\64.5, 890\62.9, 883\61.9, 873\60.4, 865\59.3, 858\58.3
Clip 2; 850\57.3, 840\55.9, 828\54.4, 816\52.8, 811\52.2, 802\51.0, 791\49.7

Air: Average Velocity\Power for first magazine (7 shots): 883\61.8
Air: Average pressure drop per shot (over 14 shots): 78.3psi per shot
Air: Average velocity drop per shot (over 14 shots): 8.5f/s per shot
Air: Average power drop per shot (over 14 shots): 1.14fpe per shot

Helium: Average Velocity\Power; per shot average using 3 sets of 14 shots:
Clip 1; 1121\99.6, 1099\95.7, 1083\92.9, 1038\85.4, 1015\81.6, 999\79.1,
977\75.7
Clip 2; 955\72.2, 933\69.0, 916\66.5, 893\63.2, 884\61.9, 856\58.1, 835\55.3

Helium: Average Velocity\Power for first magazine (7 shots): 1059\88.9
Helium: Average pressure drop per shot (over 14 shots): 108.7psi per shot
Helium: Average velocity drop per shot (over 14 shots): 20.4f/s per shot
Helium: Average power drop per shot (over 14 shots): 3.16fpe per shot

Summary: Using Helium in a Career 707 .25 caliber carbine at the maximum
power setting resulted in an average 30.5% increase in power over the first 7
shots compared to using air. Helium was released from the gun at a faster
rate per shot than air, but the 11th shot using Helium still gave a slightly
higher power than the first shot using air.....

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Re: AXSOR PUMP...NEED INFO!!!!!!

Msg. 111558  Posted by The Airgun Letter on May 14, 1999 at 10:13:19:

In Reply to: AXSOR PUMP...NEED INFO!!!!!! posted by Adam on May 13, 1999 at 22:11:15:

You wrote:
I would like some info. on the Axsor pump, and if I could fill up a Daystate with it, I would like to know how big it is (if I could put it in a backpack), also where I could find it (websites/stores-places I could order it from), and prices (the pump/gauge. Or any info. about it.

ps-can I use a normal scuba tank hose and guage on it?
======================
The Axsor pump can easily fill up your Daystate - but be sure you get a pump that has a scuba head on it so that you can use the same devices you currently use to hook up to your scuba tank. The pump looks similar to a bicycle pump; but once you pick it up, you'll notice it's much sturdier - and heavier. While it might not fit inside your back pack, you could probably rig up some sort of strapping (maybe using Velcro�) to latch it to the underside of your backpack, attaching the pump in a horizontal configuration.

You could probably get the pump from most RWS dealers, as RWS is currently importing them. Be sure to ask for a scuba head, though! Air Rifle Specialists in NY carries them and can either sell you the pump with a scuba head already attached or you can buy just the scuba head from them if you have purchased the pump without it from someone else.

Go to the Airgun Resources link below for contact info for Air Rifle Specialists.

Edith Gaylord
The Airgun Letter
staff@null.null
http://www.airgunletter.null
http://www.airgunletter.com

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Re: Tank Volumes; Correction and Calculations

Msg. 111557  Posted by John Piper on May 14, 1999 at 10:01:52:

In Reply to: Re: DIFFERENT TANKS; 3000 and 4500psi Carbon Fiber posted by John Piper on May 13, 1999 at 18:37:01:

My prior post on the amount of air held in 68 and 114 cubic inch tanks was incorrect. That's what I get for trying to calculate these things on the fly.

Determining the *exact* volume of a gas at normal atmospheric pressure which is held in a high pressure tank is fairly complicated. For an approximate answer, ignoring gauge pressure adjustment, assuming minimal losses and perfect gas compressibility, and using these values:

Capacity of the tank = {Volume of the tank (in cu-inch) times Atmospheres of pressure in the tank divided by the number of cubic inches in a cubic foot). 3000psi divided by 14.7psi/atm = 204 atmospheres, 4500psi divided by 14.7psi/atm = 306 atmospheres, and 1728 cu-inches per cu-foot;

A 68 cu-in tank filled to 3000psi (204 atm) holds about 8 cubic feet of air at normal sea level pressure, or about 12 cu-foot of air when filled to 4500psi. A 114 cu-in tank filled to 3000psi (204 atmospheres) holds about 13 cubic feet of air, or about 19 cubic feet of air when filled to 4500psi.

The capacity of a Career Carbine, calculated by measuring the size of the reservoir tubes, is approximately 13 cu-inches (213 cc). At 3000psi the carbine holds about 1.5 cubic feet of air.

One third of the capacity of a 4500psi tank can be used to charge a PCP before the pressure in the tank drops below 3000psi. Assuming that the pressure in a Career carbine's reservoir drops from 3000psi to 1500psi before refilling (which has released approximately 0.75 cubic feet of air from the gun's reservoir); a 68 inch/4500psi tank would give 5 3000psi gun fills before the pressure in the tank itself drops to 3000psi. A 114 inch/4500psi tank would give 8 3000psi gun fills before the pressure in the tank itself drops to 3000psi.

If the gun is recharged when the reservoir pressure drops to 2000psi instead of 1500psi, the number of 3000psi refills available from the 68in/4500psi tank increases to 8, and the number of 3000psi refills available from the 114in/4500psi tank increases to about 12.

There are different types of fiber wrap tanks, some with aluminum liners and some without. This URL has some more general info, though the tanks themselves come with preset 900psi regulators specifically designed for paintball use; www.iwc.com\pms

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stealth gunpower

Msg. 111556  Posted by leslie chard on May 14, 1999 at 09:12:32:

has anyone got this air rifle ?
how does it perform ?
also looking for a few penpals who are air gun hunters got my rifle licence not long ago
have a couple of rimfire .22's but i want to get an air rifle now
have 2 bows as well have hunted pigs and goats with the bow got some pics if any one is interested
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Re: Thanks!

Msg. 111555  Posted by Jerry Rhodes on May 14, 1999 at 08:57:42:

In Reply to: Thanks! posted by jcbii on May 14, 1999 at 02:20:07:

JC,

the IZH 61 is a little side cocking, adjustable stock, 5 shot repeating rifle. And the TAU 7 is a relatively inexpensive (I think I paid &329) CO2 target pistol.

Jerry
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Re: Quest for Jerry Rhodes concerning BSA 240 Magnum

Msg. 111554  Posted by Jerry Rhodes on May 14, 1999 at 08:51:07:

In Reply to: Re: Quest for Jerry Rhodes concerning BSA 240 Magnum posted by MR Bulk� on May 14, 1999 at 04:24:17:

Mr. W,

The Tau is a .177 and I have just been shooting with powerlets. You load a powerlet and shoot all week. I ge about 60 shots per bulb so I haven't been pressed to get "bulked". but it shoots very well. Fo a while I was having the breech block pop open but it was a lack of dicipline on my part. Once I got consistant about pressing it down and drawing the latch shut firmly that cured itself.

Jerry
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Re: PCP guns

Msg. 111553  Posted by Wade on May 14, 1999 at 08:41:49:

In Reply to: PCP guns posted by The Man on May 14, 1999 at 01:32:07:

You da Man, but you could be a little more specific
as you have touched on quite a large topic and with
so much to choose from you might mention your in-
tentions on what your want to do with it. Wade
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Re: Help, TX200 Owners

Msg. 111552  Posted by Jay Olson-Goude on May 14, 1999 at 08:39:02:

In Reply to: Re: Help, TX200 Owners posted by RBest on May 13, 1999 at 21:55:53:

Russ,

That's not exactly true - the booklet that came with my Mk4 says that it was set up for RWS Superdomes. I've tried the Superdomes, but haven't been too impressed with their performance in my gun. I've been using Marksman Field Target Specials lately - as accurate as CP lights and no washing or barrel cleaning required. I'll give the Trophies a try also.

Jay
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Re: Career 707 problems.........Bill B is full of pcp???

Msg. 111550  Posted by Bill B. on May 14, 1999 at 08:30:03:

In Reply to: Career 707 problems.........Bill B is full of pcp??? posted by burbago on May 14, 1999 at 00:55:57:

We looked at Joey's gun and discovered it was neither of the above problems.

The leakage was caused, in fact, by subjecting the gun to the extreme "g" forces produced by the violent (and often questionably legal) acceleration of Joey's AC Cobra.

B.
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Re: Beeman ERMA ELG10

Msg. 111548  Posted by Ephraim on May 14, 1999 at 08:23:18:

In Reply to: Re: Beeman ERMA ELG10 posted by trevor on May 13, 1999 at 20:26:08:

I finally got the erma --it arrived yesterday. It shoots
great and is very well made. I paid $600 LNIB with
instruction--I think it is worth every penny.
This is definitely a great collectable--not to mention rare.

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Re: Not a hard choice to make........

Msg. 111547  Posted by Johnny O. on May 14, 1999 at 08:21:11:

In Reply to: Not a hard choice to make........ posted by Jerry Rhodes on May 13, 1999 at 20:04:36:

Jerry, your right about the RWS 48 too. I have one with a GSI tune and its shooting behavior is sooo much better, smoother, quieter, with less recoil. I'm waiting on my Beeman peep as well!
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Re: Do you really think that Russ is chopped liver?????

Msg. 111546  Posted by Johnny O. on May 14, 1999 at 08:16:43:

In Reply to: Do you really think that Russ is chopped liver????? posted by Jerry Rhodes on May 13, 1999 at 19:12:51:

I don't have a chrony, so I have no idea what fps mine gets. However, I do know that it shoots smooth, straight, quiet and I love this gun!
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Re: Quest for Jerry Rhodes concerning BSA 240 Magnum

Msg. 111545  Posted by LOU V.K. on May 14, 1999 at 07:57:20:

In Reply to: Quest for Jerry Rhodes concerning BSA 240 Magnum posted by jcbii on May 13, 1999 at 23:33:40:

I guess that I was lucky to try out a 240 belonging to a friend. It made the Webleys seem like top rated olympic class target pistols,by comparison. At first,I was lucky to keep all of my shots on the paper,forget the big black spot. As a result of this afternoon of trials,I bought a P 3.It Shoots!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Paging Marty Jones! He's got all three of the pistols.

Msg. 111544  Posted by MartinL on May 14, 1999 at 07:56:34:

In Reply to: Thanks! posted by jcbii on May 14, 1999 at 02:20:07:

You can get an honest opinion from Marty on these guns as well as the Tempest and the Hurricane. I believe Marty will be of help to you.

As far as figuring on hitting crows with the 240, well in Texas I am lucky to find a sight on one in range with the best rifle I have. I would try one at 20 yards, but doubt it will happen here anytime soon. Great shooting JimC..ml
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Re: Dumbest Crow in Ca. falls victim to Crosman 600

Msg. 111543  Posted by Johnny O. on May 14, 1999 at 07:28:25:

In Reply to: Re: Dumbest Crow in Ca. falls victim to Crosman 600 posted by Andrew Leung on May 14, 1999 at 02:26:19:

Your absolutely right. I've done a lot of reading regarding handgun ballistics. After reading several autopsies on handgun victims I found one common denominator, regardless of cal., that was, placement! They were ALL hit in the vitals. The person shot with a .25 was just as dead as the guy shot with a .45. None lived to tell if the .45 hurt more than the .25 did!
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Re: Go to mac~1

Msg. 111542  Posted by Benoit on May 14, 1999 at 07:15:08:

In Reply to: Re: Go to mac~1 posted by Tony on May 14, 1999 at 06:46:39:

Go to web links on the main page of this site and look for MAC-1 airguns.

Ben
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Re: Go to mac~1

Msg. 111541  Posted by Tony on May 14, 1999 at 06:46:39:

In Reply to: Go to mac~1 posted by Tyler Hathaway on May 13, 1999 at 23:52:40:


Are you sure that address is correct? I can't find
Mac1 under www.minspring.com/~airguns
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Re: Trophy scope

Msg. 111540  Posted by MartinL on May 14, 1999 at 06:43:42:

In Reply to: Trophy scope posted by BWong on May 13, 1999 at 20:16:33:

Assuming that the refurbished scope holds up as a new one, you can't go wrong on getting one. $119 for an 18x AG scope by Bushnell..that sound good to me, since I own one I paid close to $200 for a year ago. Works great on my TX. ml
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Our mutual cousin Cindy bears all while in gestation ....... (nt)

Msg. 111539  Posted by vZc on May 14, 1999 at 06:37:36:

In Reply to: Looks like you got a good one, cousin....... (nt) posted by Jerry Rhodes on May 14, 1999 at 01:00:13:

.
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Pocket calculators can be programmed for 2 variables function execution ...

Msg. 111538  Posted by vZc on May 14, 1999 at 06:26:36:

In Reply to: Re: Found this sight that has neat energy calculator.. posted by RBest on May 13, 1999 at 18:05:23:

... for results after data entry (weight & velcity).
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Cabelas Has The Blue Streak For $114.99 nt

Msg. 111537  Posted by Nick on May 14, 1999 at 04:50:26:

In Reply to: Sheriden .20 posted by Patrick on May 13, 1999 at 23:10:57:

nt
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Re: Quest for Jerry Rhodes concerning BSA 240 Magnum

Msg. 111536  Posted by MR Bulk� on May 14, 1999 at 04:24:17:

In Reply to: Re: Quest for Jerry Rhodes concerning BSA 240 Magnum posted by Jerry Rhodes on May 14, 1999 at 01:54:07:

Hey Jer,

That Tau a your'n a .22? If so how's she shoot? And is she Bulk Filled?

Thanks,

MR Bulk�


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Bunny Nuggets

Msg. 111535  Posted by E Fudd on May 14, 1999 at 02:36:16:

In Reply to: Recipes posted by Eric Field on May 11, 1999 at 17:22:07:

I rarely measure anything when I cook, so maybe this isn't exactly a recipe, but here goes.

Take your rabbit(s) and remove the meat from the bone, (I ussually leave the front legs intact since they do not have much meat to remove).

Put meat in a bowl and marinate in soy sauce, lots of garlic, black and red pepper, and whatever else you think might taste good. Add water until meat is covered. Dilute your marinade according to how soon you will cook it. If you plan on cooking in a few hours do not dilute it at all.

Put a cup or so of flour in a bowl and add salt and pepper and whatever other seasonings you like.

After a day or so of soaking, remove the meat and dip in the flour mixture. The meat must be wet to adhere to the flour.

Pan fry in about 1/2 an inch of oil on medium high until "golden brown", or cook in a deep fryer, either will work well.

By combining the bite sized pieces of meat with deep frying you can actually make wild rabbit seem fairly tender.

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Re: Dumbest Crow in Ca. falls victim to Crosman 600

Msg. 111534  Posted by Andrew Leung on May 14, 1999 at 02:26:19:

In Reply to: Dumbest Crow in Ca. falls victim to Crosman 600 posted by Jim C. on May 14, 1999 at 01:59:07:

What???!?!!!?!? you used a .22 caliber!!!!??!?!?

Don't you know that if you don't use a .177, that pellet would just 'bounce' off those 'tough' 'armor' of feathers!!

And shame on you that you even used FLATHEAD pellets!!


(the above statement is of extreme sarcasm)

(now the real broadcast)

I can never figure out that pellet/game thing...goes to show that .22 is pretty darn ideal for ALL sorts of game, to those that think of quarry/caliber specific individuals, goes to show that this is IMO, an absolute hogwash. Shot placement!!!

Good job Jimbo!
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Thanks!

Msg. 111533  Posted by jcbii on May 14, 1999 at 02:20:07:

In Reply to: Re: Quest for Jerry Rhodes concerning BSA 240 Magnum posted by Jerry Rhodes on May 14, 1999 at 00:19:03:

Thanks for the info Jerry. I think I will hold off until I actually get a chance to look at one and shoot it. By the way, this isn't the first time I have heard a negative comment about the latch. I'm starting to get the impression that it is pretty cheap, as in quality. Guess thats just another reason to reconsider.

I will have to take a look at the specs on the IZH-61 and Tau 7. Don't know anything about them (never even heard of a Tau 7). The P1 was one of the other guns Ian tested, and I have never heard anything really bad about it. My only problem with it was the price (and thus the reason for looking at the 240 mag).

Thanks again.


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Re: Dumbest Crow in Ca. falls victim to Crosman 600

Msg. 111532  Posted by OOO on May 14, 1999 at 02:08:30:

In Reply to: Dumbest Crow in Ca. falls victim to Crosman 600 posted by Jim C. on May 14, 1999 at 01:59:07:

well, well, well if it ain't JimC, hows it going, remember me, eh???

M
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I guess that adds a new meaning to firepower in balls HA HA ;NT

Msg. 111531  Posted by Whitewolf on May 14, 1999 at 02:06:05:

In Reply to: Re: Full auto Power posted by Andrew Leung on May 13, 1999 at 22:50:14:


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Re: Quest for Jerry Rhodes concerning BSA 240 Magnum

Msg. 111529  Posted by Jim C. on May 14, 1999 at 02:04:41:

In Reply to: Re: Quest for Jerry Rhodes concerning BSA 240 Magnum posted by Jerry Rhodes on May 14, 1999 at 01:54:07:

Jerry, try a scope or a dot. It really is easy to
latch the gun back up by pressing on the scope mount.
I think with the Beeman 2 piece mount, it adds about
10 ounces. Jim C.
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Dumbest Crow in Ca. falls victim to Crosman 600

Msg. 111528  Posted by Jim C. on May 14, 1999 at 01:59:07:

This afternoon I was out on the patio flipping some
drumsticks on the BBQ while holding my 2 1/2 year old
son who had just awoke on the wrong side of his
afternoon nap. As I turned to go back into the house,
I heard that gargling sound Crows sometimes make. I
looked up, and less than 20 feet from me is a nice
fatty on top of my TV antenna looking right at me
with that " I'm gonna commit depradation on your roof"
look. I go straight to the gun cab.null and grab the closest
and loaded gun, which was the 600 full of Miesters.
I told my son I'll be right back and went out the door.
I figured for sure he would be gone and I would feel that
"Oh so close" let down feeling, but I only had to take
2 steps out of the house and I'm looking him right
in the eye. I slowly raised the gun and aimed right
for the feathery part and POP. With a surprised but
weak wimper, he dropped like a rock, making a nice
THUD on the roof. I shagged him down while the kids were
in the bath and he had a nice round hole in the chest.
Luckily tomorrow is garbage day, so he won't be stinkin
the joint up. Made my day.
Jim
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Re: Quest for Jerry Rhodes concerning BSA 240 Magnum

Msg. 111527  Posted by Jerry Rhodes on May 14, 1999 at 01:54:07:

In Reply to: Re: Quest for Jerry Rhodes concerning BSA 240 Magnum posted by Jim C. on May 14, 1999 at 01:38:34:

Jim,

You're a better man than me. My postman son handles his fairly well. He has a Webley that he shoots like a rifle. But he struggles with the 240. I am sure that the "nut" on the trigger is the variable that needs the most work. I might try adding some weight to the muzzle some way and see if that settles it down.

In the meantime I'll dance with my Tau.

Jerry
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Re: Ballistics - help

Msg. 111526  Posted by John M on May 14, 1999 at 01:48:29:

In Reply to: Ballistics - help posted by Jeremy on May 13, 1999 at 05:35:33:

D&R has a set of ballistic tables including ballistic coefficients for a variety of pellets. The best software I have used, however, is based a retention factor. That is, what % of the muzzle velocity is retained at 10 yards. This can be measured or there are %'s for various pellets.
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Re: Trophy scope

Msg. 111525  Posted by John M on May 14, 1999 at 01:39:17:

In Reply to: Trophy scope posted by BWong on May 13, 1999 at 20:16:33:

Mine works fine on a HW97. The 18x works well for range fiding and sighting in FT competion. The only wash out is when I'm shooting into the sun. I don't have a sunshade.
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Re: Quest for Jerry Rhodes concerning BSA 240 Magnum

Msg. 111524  Posted by Jim C. on May 14, 1999 at 01:38:34:

In Reply to: Re: Quest for Jerry Rhodes concerning BSA 240 Magnum posted by Jerry Rhodes on May 14, 1999 at 00:19:03:

Sheesh Jerry, I almost wanted to throw my 240 in the
can after reading your review!!. Seriously, me and the 240
have good days and bad. Sometimes like you say, I also
have to wonder where it hit, but some days it's sweet. One
day I dropped 3 Crows dead off of a Redwood tree that I
laser ranged at 23 yards to the bent over top branch
where they were sitting.I might have got 4, but me and a
buddy were laughing so hard at the Crow melee going on
that I couldn't hold steady any more. I put a Beeman
model 25 scope on mine and it seems to help out a
bit with the "flip".Just another opinion. Jim C.
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Re: AIRGUN FOR BIRD CONTROL

Msg. 111523  Posted by Mark Lemm on May 14, 1999 at 01:36:17:

In Reply to: AIRGUN FOR BIRD CONTROL posted by Mike on May 14, 1999 at 00:16:43:

An R9 .20 or SuperSport .22 would probably do the trick.

-Mark Lemm
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Re: Chrono features and sources

Msg. 111522  Posted by John M on May 14, 1999 at 01:34:17:

In Reply to: Re: Chrono features and sources posted by Wampas on May 13, 1999 at 23:20:55:

Thanks for the info. That is a great site for Chrony. I found a distributor about 10 miles from where I live. Will call them in the morning.
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PCP guns

Msg. 111521  Posted by The Man on May 14, 1999 at 01:32:07:

I am looking for a PCP air rifle, any opinions, info., or concerns???



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Re: AIRGUN FOR BIRD CONTROL

Msg. 111520  Posted by Adam on May 14, 1999 at 01:23:37:

In Reply to: AIRGUN FOR BIRD CONTROL posted by Mike on May 14, 1999 at 00:16:43:

what is your price range?
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Re: Anybody know why Paul Watts went out of business? N/T

Msg. 111519  Posted by Robert Hamilton on May 14, 1999 at 01:05:54:

In Reply to: Re: Anybody know why Paul Watts went out of business? N/T posted by James on May 13, 1999 at 16:47:44:

Hi folks,
Re. Paul Watts...talked to him yesterday and his desires are to do less airarm work in order to free up more time to spend with his kids. He also works a full time job plus his airarm business (which has gotten increasingly busy...particularly for his R9 work). I got the feeling that Paul is holding on to all his tools and machinery and that old customers won't be abandoned for service/mods work but that he'll be discouraging new business. Time will tell.
Robert Hamilton
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Looks like you got a good one, cousin....... (nt)

Msg. 111518  Posted by Jerry Rhodes on May 14, 1999 at 01:00:13:

In Reply to: Re: -RWS 48 .20 serial #02084226 chronographs measurements posted by vZc on May 13, 1999 at 19:53:55:


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Re: K-Mart Spokesperson Rosie O'Donnell

Msg. 111517  Posted by Robert Hamilton on May 14, 1999 at 01:00:07:

In Reply to: K-Mart Spokesperson Rosie O'Donnell posted by G. Jang on May 13, 1999 at 17:58:17:

Hi Galen,
Re. Kmart & Rosie....well said! I too sent them an email and got their stock 'poo on you' email reply also. I too will give Walmart, Target, etc my future business and avoid Kmart.
Robert Hamilton
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Career 707 problems.........Bill B is full of pcp???

Msg. 111515  Posted by burbago on May 14, 1999 at 00:55:57:

In Reply to: Re: Career 707 problem posted by Bill B. on May 13, 1999 at 21:04:25:

Come on .
This kind of post is not condusive to good air gun health. Check it out, What do you think?
It does not sound like Joey needs this kink of help does it?
Edith, Where are you?
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Re: need safety for Benjamin Franklin model 317

Msg. 111514  Posted by jb/ohio on May 14, 1999 at 00:51:29:

In Reply to: need safety for Benjamin Franklin model 317 posted by Jerry Crum on May 13, 1999 at 23:54:55:


jerry, the best safety is to keep your finger off the trigger. i'm not trying to be a smart-ass here. in 1972 i bought a bj 310 (same as your 317, except that it will also shoot bbs). it took a few decades (until i got really into airgunning) to learn that it was supposed to have a safety, but that someone had removed it. i say again, the best safety is to keep your finger off the trigger until you are ready to shoot and never point it in a direction that you are not willing to shoot. joe blake of ohio
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Re: FWB 124 velocity,with Maccari tune?

Msg. 111513  Posted by Robert Hamilton on May 14, 1999 at 00:51:26:

In Reply to: FWB 124 velocity,with Maccari tune? posted by Joey on May 13, 1999 at 19:10:26:

Hi Joey:
My FWB124d with Maccari kit/tune gets 860 fps with 7.9 gr CPLites and 700 fps with 10.5 gr CPHeavies.
Robert Hamilton
p.s. I used CPLites only as my 124 prefers the Lites over the Heavies (no after shot barrel smoke with the Lites, but does have with the Heavies).

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Re: Barrel Droop, kind of a misnomer.

Msg. 111512  Posted by Jerry Rhodes on May 14, 1999 at 00:44:04:

In Reply to: Re: Barrel Droop, kind of a misnomer. posted by Kevin on May 14, 1999 at 00:30:26:

Kevin,

Thanks for the "fix". I was going to mention manufacturing flaws such as bent or off center barrels. But I decided to stick to "intentional" drooping.

I like the service that MAC-1 provides by being able to "droop" a set of mounts to offset almost any combination of misalignments within reason.

Good shooting,

Jerry
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lost a post about pyramyd air

Msg. 111511  Posted by daveyg on May 14, 1999 at 00:40:37:

Somewhere I saw a post asking if pyramyd air is
still around.I know I answered it, but now I can't
find it.funny,I just received some mail from them
about Weihrauch rifles and pistols.There was a
new product bulletin about the Webley Axsor
precharged rifle.
Along with that was a write up
about the anics A-101 pistol.HMMMMM!it also shows
and states that the Patriot is the worlds most
powerful break barrel spring piston air rifle.
boasting 920 fps in .22 cal./820 in .25 cal.
Gadzooks i think I saw a Weirauch statement
like that and yes the beeman people say they
have it also.Now if they come out and say
they have the best tunes-as in R9 tuned.Well
I'm not going to think about that today.I'll
think about it tomorrow.
Good shooting.

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2260 SILHOUETTE

Msg. 111510  Posted by CANN on May 14, 1999 at 00:32:01:

Does any one know if the 2260 will make a good Silhouette gun.
Thank You; CANN
schatler@null.null

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Re: Barrel Droop, kind of a misnomer.

Msg. 111509  Posted by Kevin on May 14, 1999 at 00:30:26:

In Reply to: Re: Barrel Droop, kind of a misnomer. posted by Jerry Rhodes on May 13, 1999 at 18:07:12:

Jerry,
I liked your assessment of barrel droop. You explained the
phenomenon very well. But I should add that the there are many
fixed barrel guns that are every bit as bad as the break barrel.
RWS Model 48's, 52's and 54's as well as ProElites that we've sold have
had barrel droop as well. It isn't always limited to breakbarrels.
The bore isn't always perfectly straight in fixed barrels either nor ar
all the barrels straight. Your explanation still stands but I'd add the
fixed barrels to the mix as well. Kevin
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Re: I don't know much about wood working but...

Msg. 111508  Posted by jb/ohio on May 14, 1999 at 00:28:49:

In Reply to: I don't know much about wood working but... posted by Fearon Steele on May 13, 1999 at 20:37:52:


fearon, you've already received good advice. if i could add a little? this wood, not metal, that you are talking about. i would say start with 100x (if that doesn't get the old finish off, go to 80x), then work up to 320. there are a lot of finishes that would work. i've used tung oil on gunstocks and on walking sticks; actually, i've used a 50/50 mixture of tung oil and boiled linseed oil. works great if you rub it in with your fingers and use several coats. then use a good pumice based soap to clean your hands. an easier finish? birchwood casey tru-oil gunstock finish, again rubbed in with the fingers, as many coats as you want. even easier? try spar varnish. joe blake of ohio
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Re: Barrel Droop, kind of a misnomer.

Msg. 111507  Posted by Kevin on May 14, 1999 at 00:27:28:

In Reply to: Re: Barrel Droop, kind of a misnomer. posted by Jerry Rhodes on May 13, 1999 at 18:07:12:

Jerry,
I liked your assessment of barrel droop. You explained the
phenomonom very well. But I should add that the there are many
fixed barrel guns that are every bit as bad as the break barrel.
RWS Model 48's, 52's and 54's as well as ProElites that we've sold have
had barrel droop as well. It isn't always limited to breakbarrels.
The bore isn't always perfectly straight in fixed barrels either nor ar
all the barrels straight. Your explanation still stands but I'd add the
fixed barrels to the mix as well. Kevin
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Re: AXSOR PUMP...NEED INFO!!!!!!

Msg. 111506  Posted by John L on May 14, 1999 at 00:27:23:

In Reply to: AXSOR PUMP...NEED INFO!!!!!! posted by Adam on May 13, 1999 at 22:11:15:

Adam: I just got a adjustable scuba head for my Axsor from Dave Schwesinger at ARS. It will tighten down facing any direction, making it easy to hook up your scuba tank setup. He has Axsor pumps and all accessories for using them.He's listed in the airgun resources.
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schematics/plans/cut-away posters of CO2 pistols ??

Msg. 111505  Posted by Paul Grantheum on May 14, 1999 at 00:25:21:

Hi All

I've been trying to get hold of information
on CO2 Pistols but havent been having much luck.

I'm after schematics, plans, or cut-away
posters showing the internals of the pistols,
preferably available over the web so I dont
have to make international calls to the USA :)

The reason I'm after this ? Well... I have
a fair amount of this stuff for other firearms
and would like to include something about CO2
pistols in my collection as well.

Thanks if you can point out any references.

Paul

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Re: Who makes scope rings to fit BSA 14mm rail? [nt]

Msg. 111504  Posted by Rada on May 14, 1999 at 00:24:42:

In Reply to: Re: Who makes scope rings to fit BSA 14mm rail? [nt] posted by KEN. on May 13, 1999 at 14:01:59:

I believe the rail is 13mm. But Millett also makes some nice rings with windage adjustments that will take the BSA rail. I have been using them on my SS with a scope stop and I like them a lot. Epistols has them.
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Re: Hammerli air rifle

Msg. 111503  Posted by Don R. on May 14, 1999 at 00:22:32:

In Reply to: Hammerli air rifle posted by Steve Kelly on May 13, 1999 at 21:25:23:

Fairly scarce gun - long out of production. Two evolutions in several variations of stocks & sights were made. Hy-Score sold some under their name, in addition to direct sale as Hammerli's. ARH 1973 catalog assesses them as less desirable (accuracy, refinement) than HW55 for example. Mine has great fit & finish, disappointing trigger, moderate power. HTH
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Re: " leaking career "

Msg. 111502  Posted by Anthony Storey on May 14, 1999 at 00:20:20:

In Reply to: " leaking career " posted by Joey on May 13, 1999 at 22:42:13:

Joey there are "O" rings in the vicinity of your leak.Yes they are probably the culprit to.(not guaranteed though)In order to replace them the rifle must be completely emptied of the air charge,then you will need a spanner wrench to fit the collars/rings on the front of the tubes/sight assembely.Remove both rings by rotating counter clockwise.After ring removal you will have to tap the front sight assembely off.Its just the "O" ring friction holding them on at this point.Inspect the sealing areas for nicks and debris wipe clean and use pure silicon grease(automatic transmission fluid will work) very lightly to lube all of the rubber when you button it back up.Keep in mind if you had a warranty on it you probably won't have once you take it apart. The A team may be able to help you with the spanner wrench. hth
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Re: Sheriden .20

Msg. 111501  Posted by Streak Freak on May 14, 1999 at 00:19:22:

In Reply to: Sheriden .20 posted by Patrick on May 13, 1999 at 23:10:57:

Patrick,

That's "SheridAn." You may be able to find the current C 9 pump-up at some discount chain store in your area.

Making your own stock with few tools is fairly easy if you laminate it. For the earlier Model C, I use "craft" wood 1/8", 1/4", and 1/2" thick.
The buttstock can be glued up from three, 1/2" pieces with the middle piece profiled to produce the trigger slots. The pump handle can be layered 1/2", 1/8", 1/4", 1/8", and 1/2" to make it the same width as the stock while allowing the middle piece to be profiled for the pump lever.

After the first three handle layers (including the lever profile) have been glued up, you can lay the lever in its slot and drill for mounting pins using the holes in the lever as a guide. Then you add the last three layers, flip the finished handle over, and drill back through to complete the pin holes

The compression tube channel in the stock and pump handle can be worried out with coarse sandpaper wrapped around a 3/4" dowel. And you can put the mounting screw hole in the stock with a hand drill on a stand or other device to keep it plumb. Drill this hole before you channel to help keep it from running off.

An inexpensive rubber butt pad or plate can also be fitted by hand--although it's slow work, as is channeling for the tube with sandpaper. Finally, follow Lou V.K.'s instructions for finishing (down the page), and you'll end up with a stock that suits you. You have to design it, of course!

Streak

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Re: Quest for Jerry Rhodes concerning BSA 240 Magnum

Msg. 111500  Posted by Jerry Rhodes on May 14, 1999 at 00:19:03:

In Reply to: Quest for Jerry Rhodes concerning BSA 240 Magnum posted by jcbii on May 13, 1999 at 23:33:40:

JC,

I also was influenced by Ian's review. The most I can say about it now that I have shot the 240 about 500 times is that Ian must be a fabulous pistol shooter.

I shot master class when I was serious about my pistols so I feel that I should have been able to shoot this thing. My son, the postman, is a real enthusiastic pistol shooter and he can manage it fairly well. For me it is, as I have stated before, "shoot and look for the hole". It never is in the same place twice. I used to think that my Walther LP53 was hard to manage. I was able to, finally, shoot 90% with the LP53 on the 10m pistol target. Not the 240. I'm doing good to get 90% inside the 5 ring. On top of that the barrel latch is cheesy and is wearing out. I latch it very carefully but still the sharp corners are rounding over. I am sure that a call to the dealer will get me another, they are good people.

You would be far better off getting an IZH 61 for what you would be shooting with the 240. You might have some luck with the rats if they were travelling in packs. But I am positive that a rat that only moved while you were reloading would be pretty safe. The old Crosman 130 pumper is a FAR superior pistol for your application.

I don't have any experience with the other pistols that Ian reviewed but If the 240 was great then I don't want one of the others. I have a Tau 7 that is a jewel. When I miss with that one I can tell you EXACTLY where that hole will be. Don't have to go looking for those holes.

As you can tell I am a bit less than enthusiastic about this thing. See if you can find one to try. You might turn out to be a better shot than Ian and it will work out great. My personal opinion is that the pests in your yard will be in greater danger of death by meteor than by pellet. I am sure that there have been more pests killed by chunks of "blue ice" falling from passing passenger jets than have ever been killed by shots fired from a BSA 240.:-)

I'm getting carried away.

Good shooting.

Jerry


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Re: Found this sight that has neat energy calculator..

Msg. 111499  Posted by Leighton Hood Of New Zealand on May 14, 1999 at 00:17:11:

In Reply to: Found this sight that has neat energy calculator.. posted by TM on May 13, 1999 at 16:56:31:

Go to the B.S.A. website and there you will find air rifle ballistics ,download which has that and more, including graphs and other stuff, and also has something for chronographs.
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AIRGUN FOR BIRD CONTROL

Msg. 111498  Posted by Mike on May 14, 1999 at 00:16:43:

CAN SOMEONE PLEASE HELP ME TO SELECT A NICE AIR-RIFLE TO GET RID OF CROWS IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD! I HATE THOSE DAMN BIRDS! I AM SERIOUS, PLEASE HELP!
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Re: Sheriden .20

Msg. 111497  Posted by jcbii on May 13, 1999 at 23:55:49:

In Reply to: Sheriden .20 posted by Patrick on May 13, 1999 at 23:10:57:

Patrick,
I purchased my Sheridan rifle & pistol from Raso Rod & Rifle and had no problems with the order. However, I had just made the order when I found out about MAC-1. Though I have yet to order from MAC-1 (Tim McMurray), I understand from the posts on this Forum that he is about the best there is when it comes to Benjamin/Sheridan airguns. He will probably be able to help you out with any questions you may have concerning the sheridan. Both of these vendors, as well as many others, are listed under the Airgun Resources link at this site. You can get mailing addresses, phone#'s, email addresses, etc. at this there.

As for the peep site, I ordered mine from crosman using an order form that came with the guns. It's a Williams Peep site, and you can get it from several vendors (and probably a little cheaper than from crosman).
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need safety for Benjamin Franklin model 317

Msg. 111496  Posted by Jerry Crum on May 13, 1999 at 23:54:55:

I recently purchased a Ben Franklin model 317 . It is in very good condition except for a broken safety lock... Anyone have one for sale? Please E-male me at jcrum93154@null.null Thanks
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Go to mac~1

Msg. 111495  Posted by Tyler Hathaway on May 13, 1999 at 23:52:40:

In Reply to: Super tune for Sheridan. posted by Tony on May 13, 1999 at 23:40:14:

Mac~1 Website is www.minspring.com/~airguns and E-mail Tim and he'll give you all the info you need
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A good airgun show will catch you up fast on the addiction.

Msg. 111494  Posted by Denny D on May 13, 1999 at 23:51:18:

In Reply to: I think I know how to put the habit in remission posted by Jim P on May 13, 1999 at 21:56:39:

Start stashing money away every chance you get. Nickels, dimes, quarters, dollar bills. Find the airgun stuff you haven't been using and put that in a stack to trade or sell. Start "Making a list" of what you want next in our addiction.

When the show comes, you will be ready.

I went to the show at Little Rock last year and am still regretting not buying Paul Watts Pro Elite, one of four Sheridan Super Grades in pristine condition, beautifully made steel FT targets, and many more things. I had to travel for my company this year and missed the LR show. Now I am waiting for the airgun show in my St.Louis hometown.

"Its only an addiction that I truly love"

Denny D
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Re: The " Intermount "

Msg. 111493  Posted by Harry on May 13, 1999 at 23:50:50:

In Reply to: The " Intermount " posted by JRS on May 13, 1999 at 19:35:36:

Try Devcon plastic epoxy. It dries a little flexable but is not impossible to get off. (You can scrape it off with yor thumbnail.) I have a Daisy pistol that has a electronic sight glued to it using the stuff and it has not budged in over two months of use. I used a intermount ( two piece ) to mount a Tasco
Bantam scope on my B/S and luckly have not had to use glue to hold it. The extended eye relief of the Bantam is perfect for the gun. Put the intermount right behind the rear sight and the six inch eye relief almost sets its self up. It is like the scope was made for the gun. No problems with the scope so far.
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Re: Springers Rule �� Boing! You are right without a spring a Career would not function! nt

Msg. 111492  Posted by Anthony Storey on May 13, 1999 at 23:50:03:

In Reply to: Springers Rule �� Boing! posted by Luis Leon on May 13, 1999 at 22:08:18:

nt
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Very well put! (nt)

Msg. 111491  Posted by Steve Schulz on May 13, 1999 at 23:46:15:

In Reply to: Re: Which caliber is best for hunting? posted by Robert Hamilton on May 13, 1999 at 11:14:29:



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Super tune for Sheridan.

Msg. 111489  Posted by Tony on May 13, 1999 at 23:40:14:

Although I have had my Sheridan for many years
it is tired. I recently heard of a Steriod Streak super tune for Sheridans. Any information on
this? Where do I send my gun and about how
much would it cost?
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Quest for Jerry Rhodes concerning BSA 240 Magnum

Msg. 111488  Posted by jcbii on May 13, 1999 at 23:33:40:

Just wanted to follow up on your comments re: BSA 240 Magnum. You stated that you were underwhelmed with its performance, so I thought I would ask in what way? I was looking for a general plinking pistol that could also serve as a pest control gun at close ranges (inside garage, and back yard). I am currently using my Beeman 850 for this, but would like to get a gun with a little more "zip" to replace the 850 (BSA appears to have addtl 100fps over the 850 in .177cal). The pistol would have to serve this purpose right out of the box without any additional modifications. I would not be using it for any formal target shooting (would get a pnuematic for that purpose - in fact, my Daisy 777 outshoots me, so I do not even need a target pistol at this time). My attention was drawn to the BSA 240 because of the Pellant review, which appeared to give it the nod even over the P1 (although the author never came out and said so, that was the impression I got based on all of his comments/comparison data). To cap things off, Precision Sales if offering it for $176.

So my question is this; Now that you know what the intended purpose is for this pistol, would you still recommend against it? I just wanted to ask in case you thought I wanted to purchase it for target shooting. I do not know anything about the BSA other than what I have read, so if you really think it is not worth it for the intended use, I probably will just keep saving for the TX or R9(totally different purpose, of course).

Any info would be appreciated,
Thanks
JCBII

P.S. - Pest control mainly consists of shooting roof rats, gophers, and the occasional pest bird.
(very limited concerning birds!!!!)
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Re: I don't know much about wood working but...

Msg. 111487  Posted by Brad on May 13, 1999 at 23:31:22:

In Reply to: I don't know much about wood working but... posted by Fearon Steele on May 13, 1999 at 20:37:52:

I'd be careful cutting an inch off the forearm.
The front of the forearm is very fragile it is
held togeather with wooden dowel to withstand
the cocking force and there should be a barrel
band to anchor the barrel also. just in case
yours was removed in the modification.
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Re: Hammerli air rifle

Msg. 111486  Posted by Doug Law on May 13, 1999 at 23:30:32:

In Reply to: Hammerli air rifle posted by Steve Kelly on May 13, 1999 at 21:25:23:

Steve-I don;t know about a Hammerli like that but used to own a ARS Magnum Six which used a small revolver cylinder allowing you to preload the cylinder. Air came from air cylinders below the barrel-good for 30 full power shots. This was forerunner of the new Career 707. Mine was in .22 and shot 30 grain Dae Sungs at 950-lots of power, loud, very loud but lots of power. Check the American Airgun web site or subscribe to Airgun ads, both have listings on Air Gun Letter resource page. consider a Career 707 has improvements over side lever gun. Both are filled from scuba tank great hunting rigs-very loud.


Nevada Slim
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Re: Crow Mag triggers

Msg. 111485  Posted by RBest on May 13, 1999 at 23:22:11:

In Reply to: Re: Crow Mag triggers posted by LOU V.K. on May 13, 1999 at 23:10:41:

Lou: before I get too deep into this, I must admit to never having worked on a Crow trigger, but I thought the design was very "Gamo-ish", THEN someone verbalized the same thing to me ( a Crow Mag owner even). Anybody else know more about this?? Russ
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Re: Chrono features and sources

Msg. 111484  Posted by Wampas on May 13, 1999 at 23:20:55:

In Reply to: Chrono features and sources posted by John M on May 13, 1999 at 18:16:44:

John,
In my opinion, the chrony is one of the best for the price. Click on URL below:

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I would work but.....

Msg. 111483  Posted by Ron B on May 13, 1999 at 23:20:00:

In Reply to: Re: I don't know much about wood working but... posted by JOHN S. on May 13, 1999 at 21:32:28:

I find shooting airguns is more fun!

And, I'd follow LOU. V.K.'s advice. I believe he's spot on and if I wouldn't afford a professionally finished stock, I would follow his advice.

I am a professional wood worker with over thirty years experience.

Ron
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Sheriden .20

Msg. 111482  Posted by Patrick on May 13, 1999 at 23:10:57:

I've about decide that the gun I need for moderate range starling and pigeon shooting is a Sheriden in .20 cal. It seems to have the best combination of power and moderate price, but I don't like the shape of the stock at all. I'm used to a much more vertical pistol grip. I've got some woodworking ability, so I was wondering how difficult it would be to carve new stock. Is the inletting very complex, or could it be done with hand tools and patience? Also, is there a site online where I could order this rifle and a peep sight for it? Thanks for any information.
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Re: Crow Mag triggers

Msg. 111481  Posted by LOU V.K. on May 13, 1999 at 23:10:41:

In Reply to: Crow Mag triggers posted by RBest on May 13, 1999 at 23:02:58:


Was it Gamo? I heard that it was webley.BTW,I already put my asbestos long handles on.
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Crow Mag triggers

Msg. 111479  Posted by RBest on May 13, 1999 at 23:02:58:

In Reply to: Re: Opinion of Rx-1 posted by LOU V.K. on May 13, 1999 at 22:28:38:

Lou: I've heard that Gamo designed or supplies the triggers to the Crow magnum. This will probably draw even more flames than your post! Going for my Nomex shorts right now. Russ
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Re: Full auto Power

Msg. 111478  Posted by Andrew Leung on May 13, 1999 at 22:50:14:

In Reply to: Full auto Power posted by Whitewolf on May 13, 1999 at 13:24:29:

No, there is not enough volume to get that power...as I recall, it has a power of a .32 ACP
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Re: http://www.gamo.com ... very easy, isn't it? nt (ahhh I can do that thanks )

Msg. 111476  Posted by DALE W MERRILL SR on May 13, 1999 at 22:43:00:

In Reply to: http://www.gamo.com ... very easy, isn't it? nt posted by Axel on May 13, 1999 at 16:47:57:

nt
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Crow lethality: I 've hit them with Silver Bears and SuperMags ...

Msg. 111475  Posted by vZc on May 13, 1999 at 22:42:40:

In Reply to: Silver Bears vs. RWS Points posted by Bill L on May 13, 1999 at 21:42:51:

... leaving a pile of feathers on the ground after it flew off and died in a 35 ft away up in a tree on the way down.
Short range use flatheads,
intermediate use Silver Bears
longe range use domes (Crosman Premiers or SuperDomes)

Target practice with congealed gelatin bags or 12 oz cans with and without water or gelatin filling.
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" leaking career "

Msg. 111474  Posted by Joey on May 13, 1999 at 22:42:13:

My career is leaking from the gauge on the bottom tube.I filled the gun and put some oil on the top of the bottom tube,were it is inserted into the tube.Is there an O ring inside that i can replace myself or is this a big job? thank you Joey
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Re: Bore off center at breach,Thanks John L

Msg. 111473  Posted by Ron on May 13, 1999 at 22:39:26:

In Reply to: Re: Bore off center at breach,will this cause accuracy problems? posted by John L on May 13, 1999 at 12:39:31:

I will get in touch with Allen.
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Hmmm...Now it is a decision between the PE or that custom cue that hits like a JM tuned TX200 from heaven? What to do..(nt)

Msg. 111472  Posted by MartinL on May 13, 1999 at 22:38:10:

In Reply to: Re: Not a hard choice to make........ posted by Marty Jones on May 13, 1999 at 20:24:06:

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Re: Tune for P1?

Msg. 111471  Posted by MikeD on May 13, 1999 at 22:37:02:

In Reply to: Tune for P1? posted by Ross on May 13, 1999 at 21:37:45:


Russ is right, you can do it easily yourself. Definitely get the Airgun Letter with the article on dismantling and tuning the gun. I am NOT mechanically inclined but did the job myself with no trouble.

Do not expect any increase in power, but you can make the action smoother, crisper, and more consistent.
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Re: Career 707 velocity change

Msg. 111470  Posted by Ron on May 13, 1999 at 22:35:18:

In Reply to: Re: Career 707 Floating 1 step further posted by Anthony Storey on May 13, 1999 at 09:35:09:

Before the change 5 clicks up on power wheel I was averanging 888fps.with .22 premier now with this new set up at only four clicks I now average 900 fps.
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I'll resight with the Bears and see. Thanks. (NT)

Msg. 111469  Posted by Bill l on May 13, 1999 at 22:31:57:

In Reply to: Re: Silver Bears vs. RWS Points posted by RBest on May 13, 1999 at 21:49:04:

NT
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Re: Opinion of Rx-1

Msg. 111468  Posted by LOU V.K. on May 13, 1999 at 22:28:38:

In Reply to: Re: Opinion of Rx-1 posted by Jim on May 13, 1999 at 21:55:20:

The R 1 is the father of the RX. Theoben took the R1,replaced the spring with a gas strut,and installed what to Weirauch and Beeman is a good trigger,but,not equal to the Rekord unit. The RX 1 had an additional refinement,in the addition of an external Schrader Valve port,and,a redesigned piston,but,no changes to the trigger. My R 1 is a hybrid.It has a gas strut installed,which uses the original Rekord trigger unit. IMHO,this is the best of both worlds. The only way to get any better is to go to a Theoben Eliminator,( Crow Mag.lll ),which has an abomininable trigger. I am sure to get flamed here,but,only by those who have never shot an air rifle with a Rekord trigger,which is the very finest OEM trigger ever put into a sporting air rifle. Flame away folks.
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Re: AXSOR PUMP...NEED INFO!!!!!! ( OK )

Msg. 111467  Posted by DALE W MERRILL SR on May 13, 1999 at 22:27:47:

In Reply to: Re: AXSOR PUMP...NEED INFO!!!!!! posted by adam on May 13, 1999 at 22:22:30:

CALL MAC_1 in cal he will set you up as well as anyone can. It will do what you want an he should have all or any adapters you will need they are about 2 1/2 feettall and about 8 lbs?
call TIM at 1-310-327-3581
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Call Mac-1

Msg. 111466  Posted by Russ Best on May 13, 1999 at 22:26:01:

In Reply to: Re: Sheridan Accuracy Problems, Can anyone help? posted by Tim M. on May 13, 1999 at 19:41:26:

TM: besides ck'ing the barrel, some pneumatic guns have been known to have burrs at the transfer port. This shaves the pellet and prevents top accuracy. Tim MacMurray checks for this problem. Russ
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Sorry my email address was wrong. Here is the correct one. ;NT

Msg. 111465  Posted by Dave K. on May 13, 1999 at 22:24:56:

In Reply to: Re: How to stay abreast of Canadian gun issues posted by Dave K. on May 13, 1999 at 22:09:10:

nt
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Re: AXSOR PUMP...NEED INFO!!!!!!

Msg. 111464  Posted by adam on May 13, 1999 at 22:22:30:

In Reply to: Re: AXSOR PUMP...NEED INFO!!!!!! posted by RBest on May 13, 1999 at 22:13:02:

more info.
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Re: K-Mart Spokesperson Rosie O'Donnell

Msg. 111463  Posted by Robert Box on May 13, 1999 at 22:17:00:

In Reply to: K-Mart Spokesperson Rosie O'Donnell posted by G. Jang on May 13, 1999 at 17:58:17:

My daughter tells me that Rosie has apologized for the comments that she had made, but that she did want stricter gun laws. My translation, she doesn't want all gun owners to go to jail just not able to get guns. Keep emailing Kmart and boycott them. I am.
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Re: Silver Bears vs. RWS Points

Msg. 111462  Posted by LOU V.K. on May 13, 1999 at 22:16:03:

In Reply to: Silver Bears vs. RWS Points posted by Bill L on May 13, 1999 at 21:42:51:

Most of the British airgun hunters say thatit should always be "domes for feathers,and,flats for fur". My personal take on this is,domes for all hunting,unless only short range shots are to be had.In that case,only target grade wadcutters,if,the rifle shoots them well. What the rifle likes is the really important thing.You can't kill what you can't hit.
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Re: AXSOR PUMP...NEED INFO!!!!!!

Msg. 111461  Posted by RBest on May 13, 1999 at 22:13:02:

In Reply to: AXSOR PUMP...NEED INFO!!!!!! posted by Adam on May 13, 1999 at 22:11:15:

Adam: didn't I answer this yesterday? RB
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Re: Damn I Hate It When That Happens!!(nt)

Msg. 111460  Posted by RBest on May 13, 1999 at 22:11:46:

In Reply to: Damn I Hate It When That Happens!!(nt) posted by MartinL on May 13, 1999 at 21:48:18:

Martin: I'll manage. Even if I have to take a scope off another gun. Hey- wait! I'll pull a red dot off something! Yeah! RB
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AXSOR PUMP...NEED INFO!!!!!!

Msg. 111459  Posted by Adam on May 13, 1999 at 22:11:15:

I would like some info. on the Axsor pump, and if I could fill up a Daystate with it, I would like to know how big it is (if I could put it in a backpack), also where I could find it (websites/stores-places I could order it from), and prices (the pump/gauge. Or any info. about it.


-Adam

ps-can I use a normal scuba tank hose and guage on it?
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Re: Benjamin model 347

Msg. 111458  Posted by Bill on May 13, 1999 at 22:09:44:

In Reply to: Benjamin model 347 posted by hoghuntr on May 13, 1999 at 19:59:38:

Repairs at airgunshop@null.null
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Re: I think I know how to put the habit in remission

Msg. 111457  Posted by RBest on May 13, 1999 at 22:09:12:

In Reply to: I think I know how to put the habit in remission posted by Jim P on May 13, 1999 at 21:56:39:

Jim: you are only stalling the inevitable 'Binge" at the airgun show. Done That! BTW, those electric Brownings are cool! Little on the noisy side though. The Ultimate Yuppie Gun. No cocking at all. Just plug a pellet into the breech, steal the batteries from a nearby remote controlled car, and you are ready for shooting! Russ
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Re: How to stay abreast of Canadian gun issues

Msg. 111456  Posted by Dave K. on May 13, 1999 at 22:09:10:

In Reply to: Re: How to stay abreast of Canadian gun issues posted by Whitewolf on May 13, 1999 at 13:07:25:

Whitewolf,

I just tried it and got through just fine. Try going to the main page and then select mail lists from the window at the top.
Here is the main page address.

http://teapot.usask.ca/cdn-firearms/homepage.html

Dave K.


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Springers Rule �� Boing!

Msg. 111455  Posted by Luis Leon on May 13, 1999 at 22:08:18:

In Reply to: Re: Go ahead - RUB IT IN!!! Careers Rule!!!!!!! posted by A-TEAM-RAY on May 12, 1999 at 10:00:07:



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Re: Found this sight that has neat energy calculator..

Msg. 111453  Posted by LOU V.K. on May 13, 1999 at 22:07:33:

In Reply to: Re: Found this sight that has neat energy calculator.. posted by John M on May 13, 1999 at 21:44:53:


Having never fired mine in 'dieseling mode',I can't personally attest to the ridiculous figures quoted by the exclusive U.S. importer. I do know that a new type pellet was designed to preclude this rifle's ability to blow the heads right off of the common pellets of the day.That is why the Barricuda pellet was designed.
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Re: Crosman 600 Pellet Mag!

Msg. 111452  Posted by Joey on May 13, 1999 at 22:05:58:

In Reply to: Crosman 600 Pellet Mag! posted by Neil on May 13, 1999 at 20:10:10:


There is someone selling some on the classified air gun adds
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Re: Anyone Use Silver Bears in .22 Pro Elite?

Msg. 111451  Posted by Jon B. on May 13, 1999 at 22:03:06:

In Reply to: Anyone Use Silver Bears in .22 Pro Elite? posted by Ed Devlin on May 13, 1999 at 14:32:41:

Ed:
Haven't tried the silver bears, as most of my shooting would be longer range, 30+ yards, so I use the CP's.
Jon B.
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Consider the Bushnell Banner also

Msg. 111450  Posted by Bill L on May 13, 1999 at 21:58:33:

In Reply to: RWS48 Scoping: Trophy or Sportsview, Will Both Hold Up? posted by MartinL on May 13, 1999 at 08:01:15:

The Banner is in between the Sportview and the Trophy.
I got a 4-12 AO for around 80 from D&R Sports. The scope
seems to be doing fine.
Banners are supposed to be 'dusk and dawn' designed, whatever
that is worth. It's no Leupold, bu I am happy with it for the money.
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Re: I don't know much about wood working but...

Msg. 111449  Posted by LOU V.K. on May 13, 1999 at 21:58:28:

In Reply to: Re: I don't know much about wood working but... posted by John Mickel on May 13, 1999 at 21:24:48:

As a woodworker of long standing,( over 50 years ),I have three problems with Deft Clear Wood Finish,which I use a lot of. It is a nitro cellulose lacquer,which means that the fumes are *EXTREMELY FLAMMABLE* and,will puddle in low spots,waiting for a spark to violently ignite them. My second hesitation pertains to it's propensity to dry up very cloudy,if the humidity in the area in which it is being sprayed is very high. The third problem with Deft is that it is one of the most porous final surface coatings on the market. It is not recommended by the maker as a finish for table tops,or,any surface which will be subjected to moisture. This sounds like a problem for a gun stock,considering the sweaty palms,rain,etc..I use a lot of Deft for cab.nullry,furniture for any rooms other than kitchens and baths,occasional tables,where there will be no water on them,desks,book cases,etc..It goes on smoothly,is self leveling,and dries almost immediately,so that a second coat can be applied quite soon after the first,etc..I do like the stuff,but,am well aware of it's shotcomings. I think that other old woodworkers,like Don C.will verify all of this.

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I think I know how to put the habit in remission

Msg. 111448  Posted by Jim P on May 13, 1999 at 21:56:39:

I'll admit it I must be an airgun addict as I have all the "danger signs." However, I think that I might have discovered something to put the addiction into remission.

I haven't bought anything airgun in the last two weeks (Ok, eight days but it seems like 2 weeks.) Of course this isn't too strange as the week before that I was ill with a flu that is going around out here (WA) and as I stayed home from work and "entertained" myself on the Inte.null I OD'd on airgun purchases (including one of those electric cocking Browning's that is sure to be on Antiques Road Show in 30 years.)

The "new" method is to promise yourself that you will go to an airgun show - In my case the Roanoke show in October. Now everytime I see a tempting purchase I keep telling myself that I will save my money and get a great deal on it in October. I spend my extra Inte.null time checking on air fares and hotels etc.

Well, it has worked for me so far....

Jim P
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Re: Help, TX200 Owners

Msg. 111447  Posted by RBest on May 13, 1999 at 21:55:53:

In Reply to: Re: Help, TX200 Owners posted by Jim P on May 13, 1999 at 21:32:52:

Jim: OF Course Air Arms is going to push their own brand! Before they had these pellets, all they mentioned were Premiers. Russ
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Amen to what Jerry said about the 240... NT

Msg. 111446  Posted by Luis Leon on May 13, 1999 at 21:55:23:

In Reply to: Re: TX200, R9 and FT posted by Jerry Rhodes on May 13, 1999 at 00:33:52:


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Re: Opinion of Rx-1

Msg. 111445  Posted by Jim on May 13, 1999 at 21:55:20:

In Reply to: Re: Opinion of Rx-1 posted by RBest on May 13, 1999 at 18:27:58:

Lou, I do not have near the level of experience that you have, but I have had several R1's and only one RX1. The trigger on the RX that I have was very easy to tune to the same level of the best of my R1's. The power of the RX far exceeds that of most tuned R1's and has equal accuracy.IMO

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Re: Silver Bears vs. RWS Points

Msg. 111444  Posted by RBest on May 13, 1999 at 21:49:04:

In Reply to: Silver Bears vs. RWS Points posted by Bill L on May 13, 1999 at 21:42:51:

Bill: I drop squirrels beyond the distance you are shooting at, with Silver Bears. They have a different POI due to the weight and tightness difference. Are you ZEROED with the Silver Bears? In various tests, I have seen many times with different guns( and calibers) that pointed pellets shoot groups that are noticeably LESS tight than wadcutters or domes. Try the domed RWS pellets too. Regards, Russ
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Id like to get one too! nt

Msg. 111443  Posted by ktk on May 13, 1999 at 21:48:45:

In Reply to: Crosman 600 Pellet Mag! posted by Neil on May 13, 1999 at 20:10:10:


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Damn I Hate It When That Happens!!(nt)

Msg. 111442  Posted by MartinL on May 13, 1999 at 21:48:18:

In Reply to: Re: $119.00 plus tx and shipping NT posted by RBest on May 13, 1999 at 21:44:19:

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Re: Found this sight that has neat energy calculator..

Msg. 111441  Posted by John M on May 13, 1999 at 21:44:53:

In Reply to: Re: Found this sight that has neat energy calculator.. posted by LOU V.K. on May 13, 1999 at 20:27:37:

Lou,

Do you know what the energy level was when the Barracuda was new?


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Re: $119.00 plus tx and shipping NT

Msg. 111440  Posted by RBest on May 13, 1999 at 21:44:19:

In Reply to: Re: $119.00 plus tx and shipping NT posted by LuisLeon on May 13, 1999 at 21:42:28:

Luis: just snagged one of them myself. Now I have to buy an airgun to put it on! ( not really). Russ
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Silver Bears vs. RWS Points

Msg. 111439  Posted by Bill L on May 13, 1999 at 21:42:51:

While removing some blackbirds from the garden I have
noticed something unexpected with the pellets I have been
using in my RWS48 .22. I expected the silver bears to be
real knock-down pellets, because of what I've read and
because they are a wad-cutter/hollow point design and they
really look like they would expand on impact.

What happens frequently though, is that I see a clowd of
feathers and the blackbird flies off raising cane. I realize
part of the problem is my accuracy offhand is far from perfect,
but I would have thought any impact would be enough for a
blackbird's demise (they are larger than jays down here in Texas, of course).
The Silver Bears are a tight fit in the barrel, I might have
thought this would provide a littler more velocity.

On the contrary, my experience with RWS Super Points is that
I either miss completely or the bird drops like a stone, no
feathers or squawks.

Still am not sure about the RWS domes, I haven't been using
them much since the distance is about 20 yards. Still waiting
on the CP's to arrive.

I just thought those Silver Bears would have performed
a lot beter.

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Re: $119.00 plus tx and shipping NT

Msg. 111438  Posted by LuisLeon on May 13, 1999 at 21:42:28:

In Reply to: Re: What a difference a good scope makes... posted by rk on May 13, 1999 at 19:37:46:


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Re: Tune for P1?

Msg. 111437  Posted by RBest on May 13, 1999 at 21:41:33:

In Reply to: Tune for P1? posted by Ross on May 13, 1999 at 21:37:45:

Ross: YOU can tune the P-1. The Airgun Letter published a few articles about it. I don't know of any airgunsmiths who adverstise tuning it. The AGL answered the very same question farther below. Regards, Russ
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Re: Westfield Match, No, its my daughter's Birthday.

Msg. 111436  Posted by Luis Leon on May 13, 1999 at 21:39:42:

In Reply to: Re: What a difference a good scope makes... posted by Bill B. on May 13, 1999 at 20:52:43:

I will attend the June event...
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Re: COLORADO SPRINGS CLUB?

Msg. 111435  Posted by JOHN S. on May 13, 1999 at 21:38:39:

In Reply to: Re: COLORADO SPRINGS CLUB? posted by Michael Napier on May 13, 1999 at 13:31:14:


Thanks Michael, I'M shocked too. Are all the hunters here from Texas or what?
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Tune for P1?

Msg. 111434  Posted by Ross on May 13, 1999 at 21:37:45:

Who can tune a P1? What benefits could I expect from my .20 caliber P1 being tuned? How much would a P1 tune cost? Thanks.
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Re: Help, TX200 Owners

Msg. 111433  Posted by Jim P on May 13, 1999 at 21:32:52:

In Reply to: Re: Help, TX200 Owners posted by RBest on May 13, 1999 at 18:46:23:

Russ,

I think you are probably correct for the FAC TX200. But that is not what they say in the manual that comes with the rifle (TX200 V).

"The make and type of pellet used to test and set up your rifle is .. Air Arms Field 8.5 grains."

I've been shooting Meister Kuglens 8.3 grains and getting pretty good results as I break this rifle in. (950 to 910 fps - starting to stabilize after about 200 rounds at about 920 - will probably come out at about 915 when all the excess oil burns off)

Neat air gun.

Jim P.
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Re: I don't know much about wood working but...

Msg. 111432  Posted by JOHN S. on May 13, 1999 at 21:32:28:

In Reply to: I don't know much about wood working but... posted by Fearon Steele on May 13, 1999 at 20:37:52:

For what it's worth I would sand down to bare wood (hard to tell what a factory finish is compatable with) useing 80 grit than work down to 150 0r 220 , If the wood is too light for you stain with oil stain and finish by hand rubing TUNG OIL into the wood 4 or 5 times a day for a couple days. Well worth the effort.

John S.
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Re: Without being pedantic - a web site is different from a gun sight! n/t

Msg. 111431  Posted by W. Edwards on May 13, 1999 at 21:26:25:

In Reply to: Found this sight that has neat energy calculator.. posted by TM on May 13, 1999 at 16:56:31:

n/t
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Hammerli air rifle

Msg. 111430  Posted by Steve Kelly on May 13, 1999 at 21:25:23:

My dad bought me a side lever rifle in 1974. It had a revolving breech. I'd like to know where I might find such a gun today - used or new.
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Re: I don't know much about wood working but...

Msg. 111429  Posted by John Mickel on May 13, 1999 at 21:24:48:

In Reply to: I don't know much about wood working but... posted by Fearon Steele on May 13, 1999 at 20:37:52:

Fearon- I've built a dozen or so rifles and have found there are a lot of different finishes you can use on a stock. Probably the best I've found, to date, is a product called Deft. I buy it at Home Base and it's available in either a spray or brush-on finish. Buy the spray in SATIN finish and you'll get a great looking stock after about 5 - 6 coats. Start with a 120 grit sand paper and finish with a 320 grit. Anything finer is a waste of time and effort. Spray on a light coat, let dry about 15 minutes, and recoat at your leisure. After 2-3 coats, go over the stock with 4/0 steel wool (lightly) and continue on. You'll get a glass like finish with just enough patina to really bring out the grain. If you scratch it, just use 320 grit over the scratch to feather the edges and spray on a new coat. HTH john
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Re: info on Leupold 20-50X50 scope please??

Msg. 111428  Posted by jj on May 13, 1999 at 21:23:23:

In Reply to: Re: info on Leupold 20-50X50 scope please?? posted by Wade on May 13, 1999 at 19:45:38:

Hi Wade,

Interesting!!! I am right handed so that is not a problem. 14 yards ain't too bad, especially when a 15 yard minimum is being considered for safety reasons (15 to 55). If it were 30 yards, I would have great difficulty as that would be about half the targets on an average course.

I have used a Nightforce and the fixed mag. may be a problem. Unless I got one of the earlier ones (Hakko) with varible mag., but then I'll bet it would be very close, price wise, if not more.
I also remember the Fla State match where one of the top shooters were having a bit of a problem finding the targets with a high mag. fixed.

I got sort of used to the SF as I have 2 Tascos 8-40. One is fair to good optics, one bad and the one I am using now is a tiny bit better than than my good one. This one is somewhat diferent as it has 1/8 MOA rather than 1/4 as the other two have.

NOt going to get me one until I am absolutely, positively sure. Sure would like to hear from others that own one of these.

Thanks,


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Re: Crosman 2289- what do you all think?

Msg. 111427  Posted by Ben on May 13, 1999 at 21:22:16:

In Reply to: Re: Crosman 2289- what do you all think? posted by Fearon Steele on May 13, 1999 at 20:18:11:

2/3 of the power of a 48??? that's 14 foot pounds!! I'd expect something closer to 10-11...

Ben
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Re: Exotic gasses!

Msg. 111426  Posted by burbago on May 13, 1999 at 21:19:10:

In Reply to: Re: Exotic gasses! posted by MCsenger on May 13, 1999 at 15:32:52:

A more functional gas is an air/co2 mix.
lots of consistant shot velocities. I first fill my Career with co2, then take up to about 2200 with scuba.
With helium you loose your velocity to fast to get any consistant accuracy. It's fun to see those helium velocities but not very practical.
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Thanks Guys! ml(nt)

Msg. 111425  Posted by MartinL on May 13, 1999 at 21:16:52:

In Reply to: Re: RWS48 Scoping: Trophy or Sportsview, Will Both Hold Up? posted by RBest on May 13, 1999 at 21:11:51:

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It's supposed to be hotter: 24 .31 ft-lbs per AirGunExpress

Msg. 111424  Posted by vZc on May 13, 1999 at 21:14:14:

In Reply to: That's pretty HOT posted by Marty Jones on May 13, 1999 at 20:32:42:

I will start asking questions if it does not get close.
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Re: RWS48 Scoping: Trophy or Sportsview, Will Both Hold Up?

Msg. 111423  Posted by RBest on May 13, 1999 at 21:11:51:

In Reply to: Re: RWS48 Scoping: Trophy or Sportsview, Will Both Hold Up? posted by Rick O on May 13, 1999 at 09:52:26:

ML: as Rick said; the Trophy is the favored scope for your application. Airgunners have been using Trophy's for years.Successfully. Russ
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Re: What a difference a good scope makes...

Msg. 111422  Posted by RBest on May 13, 1999 at 21:09:00:

In Reply to: Re: What a difference a good scope makes... posted by ERIC on May 13, 1999 at 19:38:47:

Eric: that's a good idea. The red dots are short and won't take up much room! Russ
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Budget $300 for Weaver V24 or $500 for a Leupold or V-Tac and see the difference nt

Msg. 111421  Posted by vZc on May 13, 1999 at 21:08:46:

In Reply to: What a difference a good scope makes... posted by Luis Leon on May 13, 1999 at 19:20:53:

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Lou. V. K. had a post down the page on stock finishing...nt

Msg. 111419  Posted by Ron B on May 13, 1999 at 21:06:19:

In Reply to: I don't know much about wood working but... posted by Fearon Steele on May 13, 1999 at 20:37:52:

Read it
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Re: Career 707 problem

Msg. 111418  Posted by Bill B. on May 13, 1999 at 21:04:25:

In Reply to: Career 707 problem posted by Joey on May 12, 1999 at 19:28:30:

Joey,

Definitely sounds like PCE contamination, probably as the result of having been left at a dry cleaning establishment. Turns the seals to a chewing gum like material.

Either that, or sometimes, off-tempo drumming can set off destructive resonances within the gun and shatter the valve assembly.

HTH,

B.
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Re: I don't know much about wood working but...

Msg. 111417  Posted by RBest on May 13, 1999 at 21:03:45:

In Reply to: I don't know much about wood working but... posted by Fearon Steele on May 13, 1999 at 20:37:52:

Fearon: I guess it depends on what was used on the stock originally. Marine Spar varnish and satin polyurethane may work ok- but then- I'm not a woodworker either! BTW, it's not a choke you're moving, it's a muzzle weight. RB
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Re: K-Mart Spokesperson Rosie O'Donnell

Msg. 111416  Posted by Ron B on May 13, 1999 at 21:03:41:

In Reply to: K-Mart Spokesperson Rosie O'Donnell posted by G. Jang on May 13, 1999 at 17:58:17:

Guys, - and Gals,

If you really want to aggrivate the folks send the mail- return receit requested, restricted delivery. That way the person named has to sign for the letter.

Could be someone with a power of attorny but, it won't be the common mail clerk.

OUCH,
Ron
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More like the James Gang if you ask me

Msg. 111415  Posted by Russ Best on May 13, 1999 at 20:59:28:

In Reply to: Re: Western Mass FT Match this Sunday - 5/16 posted by Bill B. on May 13, 1999 at 08:45:59:

We are, the Three Amigos!� And we'll probably be packin' more Premiers than the local airgunshop has! Anyone for Lube One? RB
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Re: DIFFERENT TANKS; 3000 and 4500psi Carbon Fiber

Msg. 111414  Posted by LOU V.K. on May 13, 1999 at 20:54:35:

In Reply to: Re: DIFFERENT TANKS; 3000 and 4500psi Carbon Fiber posted by John Piper on May 13, 1999 at 18:37:01:

I have a close friend,( USMC ) who is the owner of a local dive shop. needless to say,he fills my tanks.He can build up pressures as high as 3800 psi,but,no higher. The only place that he knows of that can go any higher,locally, is one of the local fire depatment station houses. The kicker here is that the fire departments in this locallity no longer use the fiber wrapped tanks,as,one of their men was litterally cut in half,after his tank failed in an intense fire. Be sure to check out the options open to you for recharging a tank,prior to it's purchase.
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Re: What a difference a good scope makes...

Msg. 111413  Posted by Bill B. on May 13, 1999 at 20:52:43:

In Reply to: What a difference a good scope makes... posted by Luis Leon on May 13, 1999 at 19:20:53:

LL,

You going to the Westfield FT match?

B.
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Arzimendi Norica of Spain is the maker. nt

Msg. 111412  Posted by RBest on May 13, 1999 at 20:49:23:

In Reply to: Re: first air gun for 11 year old posted by John M on May 13, 1999 at 19:22:46:

nt
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Russ - don't forget to admire the cute cleaning mop in the underbarrel 'magazine'! (nt)

Msg. 111411  Posted by Don R. on May 13, 1999 at 20:47:55:

In Reply to: Re: Beeman ERMA ELG10 posted by RBest on May 13, 1999 at 18:42:59:


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Re: What a difference a good scope makes...

Msg. 111410  Posted by Mikael on May 13, 1999 at 20:44:38:

In Reply to: What a difference a good scope makes... posted by Luis Leon on May 13, 1999 at 19:20:53:

It looks like the tasco scopes getting a little to much beaten up on a springer. I have a 4x32 AG on my supersport and it have performed allright but recently i got some problems with the accuracy not much but enough to make me wondering, i couldn't nail down the proplem soo i got the scope of and shoke it and it was some rattle in it. Guess what, i couldn't find the warranty so i removed the okular and the lenses where loose, easely fixed just screw the ring real tight and it was alot better but there is still some small zero shifts wich i'm almost certain it's not me and hold sensitivy. Yes the stock screws are tight and the wood is ok. I could put 2-4 in the same hole but then i get a new hole were i could put another 2-4 and so on. When i'm getting the zero shifts i have tryed to change my grip to adjust the groups back but that demands me to change very much to get the groups back so i guess it's not hold sensitivity. The scope has been around for 8000 shots and my supersport is the model before the maxi grip rail.
Mikael
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Re: I ordered the R9

Msg. 111409  Posted by Marty Jones on May 13, 1999 at 20:40:32:

In Reply to: Re: I ordered the R9 posted by Jon B. on May 11, 1999 at 20:10:57:

No, it isn't tough - it's easy! Too damned
easy. Pick up phone, dial, make request, give
number, give address.

Truck comes, house gets fuller, account gets
emptier. I know, over and over again!

best regards,

Marty Jones

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Re: Opinion of Rx-1

Msg. 111408  Posted by LOU V.K. on May 13, 1999 at 20:38:20:

In Reply to: Re: Opinion of Rx-1 posted by RBest on May 13, 1999 at 18:27:58:


Russ and I share more than a common birth date. We *normally* are in agreement on almost everything,B U T in this case,I have owned a twin to his RX 1,sold it,and, got an R 1 which was then enhanced with a Theoben gas strut.
The differences are minimal,but,IMHO,I have the better rifle now. Mine has the Rekord trigger,much better than the trigger usefd in the RX 1. His can be tuned from the outside,whereas mine requires a minor tear down to adjust the velocity. I feel that having the superior trigger in place of easy velocity changes is an acceptable trade off.
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I don't know much about wood working but...

Msg. 111407  Posted by Fearon Steele on May 13, 1999 at 20:37:52:

I want to fix up my Daisy 853 stock (the abused rifle I mentioned the other day)a bit. It isn't too bad but at the end of the forearm the vandals chipped the stock away so the choke would still fit on the hacked barrel. I was going to shorten the forearm about an inch to remove the ghastly sight then go over the whole stock with, say 420 sandpaper? Work my grit up from there and put on some varnish. What type of varnish is good for these stocks? I thought this could be a learning experience and even if my job isn't A1, it'll still look a hell of a lot better than it does now.
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Re: Found this sight that has neat energy calculator..

Msg. 111406  Posted by RBest on May 13, 1999 at 20:33:25:

In Reply to: Re: Found this sight that has neat energy calculator.. posted by John M on May 13, 1999 at 19:09:49:

John: Lou says it all. These guns had problems because of the ether injection.Why risk it. Russ
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That's pretty HOT

Msg. 111405  Posted by Marty Jones on May 13, 1999 at 20:32:42:

In Reply to: Re: -RWS 48 .20 serial #02084226 chronographs measurements posted by vZc on May 13, 1999 at 19:53:55:

MartinL said he chrono'd his yesterday in the
high 7's, but the light was failing and Crony's
don't like that. Probably he's already taken
more data this afternoon and we'll hear from
him.

Anyway, it sounds like the gun is just as
efficient in .20 as it is in .22, allowing
of course that they may vary from example to
example.

Sort of tempting to get one, now that I have
a Career in that caliber and will have to be
buying .20 pellets anyway.

best regards,

Marty Jones
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Re: Hey! I want some of what you got....HEE HEE nt.

Msg. 111404  Posted by Johnny O. on May 13, 1999 at 20:31:58:

In Reply to: Count that day lost that you learn not something new....... posted by Jerry Rhodes on May 13, 1999 at 18:59:50:

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Marion: I own a .22 Pro Elite !

Msg. 111403  Posted by Russ Best on May 13, 1999 at 20:30:09:

In Reply to: I need some one who really tested the velocity himself NT posted by Marion on May 13, 1999 at 18:54:20:

One of less than 120 Pro Elites that wer sold in 1998. Not every gun, Pro Elites included, shoot to an EXACT level of feet per second. There are too many variables involved for me to tell you that you gun will shoot at 817 fps , come hell or high water. Your altitude alone can have a big effect on any airgun. Figure the gun for 21 to 22 ft/lbs of energy. Regards, Russ
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Re: Found this sight that has neat energy calculator..

Msg. 111402  Posted by LOU V.K. on May 13, 1999 at 20:27:37:

In Reply to: Re: Found this sight that has neat energy calculator.. posted by John M on May 13, 1999 at 19:09:49:


I have a Barricuda which almost never gets fired,and,never with ether enhancement,as it is far too collectible to take any chance of damage from using ether in it. I have kept it as a 'collectible' and have no intent of employing it as one of my 'using' guns.
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Re: Beeman ERMA ELG10

Msg. 111400  Posted by trevor on May 13, 1999 at 20:26:08:

In Reply to: Beeman ERMA ELG10 posted by ephraim on May 13, 1999 at 12:28:58:

Webley marketed the ELG10 briefly as "The RANGER". The gun I have(going to Russ) is marked ERMA ELG10 and WEBLEY RANGER. It is number 001436. It is the only sample the NZ Webley agents imported. It cost me $850 at a time our dollar was up with the value of the US$. It IS low powered but it is very accurate.
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Re: Not a hard choice to make........

Msg. 111399  Posted by Marty Jones on May 13, 1999 at 20:24:06:

In Reply to: Not a hard choice to make........ posted by Jerry Rhodes on May 13, 1999 at 20:04:36:

Jerry,

You're compulsive! - I know the feeling.

Sometimes ask MartinL how many pool cues
he's bought over the past 5 years.

best regards,

Marty Jones
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Re: Not a hard choice to make........

Msg. 111398  Posted by Marty Jones on May 13, 1999 at 20:23:31:

In Reply to: Not a hard choice to make........ posted by Jerry Rhodes on May 13, 1999 at 20:04:36:

Jerry,

You're compulsive! - I know the feeling.

Sometimes ask MartinL how many pool cues
he's bought over the past 5 years.

best regards,

Marty Jones
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Re: Trophy scope

Msg. 111397  Posted by Johnny O. on May 13, 1999 at 20:22:27:

In Reply to: Trophy scope posted by BWong on May 13, 1999 at 20:16:33:

Haven't had any problems with mine. Some people have complained they wash out at the higher magnifications, though.
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Re: Crosman 2289- what do you all think?

Msg. 111396  Posted by Fearon Steele on May 13, 1999 at 20:18:11:

In Reply to: Crosman 2289- what do you all think? posted by thorin brown on May 13, 1999 at 18:22:14:

You are getting the Canadian version? Tear out the disc uder the valve sleeve below the barrel, this will make it as powerful as the US version. Add the 2260 barrel and get Mac 1's bolt mods done. Now you have 2/3 the power of an RWS 48 for 1/8th of the price!!
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Trophy scope

Msg. 111395  Posted by BWong on May 13, 1999 at 20:16:33:

Any good?bad opinions on a 6-18 Trophy scope?

Saw a sale for a refurbished scope from Natchez for $119. Any help appreciated...

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Eric: What a difference a good scope makes...

Msg. 111393  Posted by Jeff on May 13, 1999 at 20:11:38:

In Reply to: Re: What a difference a good scope makes... posted by ERIC on May 13, 1999 at 19:38:47:

I had a Sherridan,I put a scope on it. While pumping your gun up place your hand at the back of the action ,on the pistolgrip, your gun will pump up fine. I sold my gun (I wish I had not) and bought a high powered springer. Try this way of pumping your gun up, I know I bought my Sherridon in 1974, I miss that gun.....
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Crosman 600 Pellet Mag!

Msg. 111392  Posted by Neil on May 13, 1999 at 20:10:10:

Was hoping if someone could help me find a Rotary Pellet
Magazine for a Crosman 600! Can anyone help me and point me in the
right direction? Thanks.
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Not a hard choice to make........

Msg. 111391  Posted by Jerry Rhodes on May 13, 1999 at 20:04:36:

In Reply to: Thank you jerry but.. posted by Marion on May 13, 1999 at 19:23:59:

Marion,

Given those choices I would choose the PE II every time.

I have a RWS 48 in .22 cal (untuned) it shoots 797 or about 800. Some guys are lucky and get hotter one and some less.

The Goldstar I know nothing about, maybe Russ can tell us something.

If it was my $500 bucks it would go on the PE II. I may be biased because I have one. I feel that anybody that says they don't need one never had one. Kind of like I used to feel about FAX machines until I got one about 15 years ago.

If you do get either the 52 or the PE a tune by JM will be an eye opener.

If you want a poor man's PE then get the RWS48 in .22 and get JM's GSI kit for it and it will shoot very smoothly and will cost about $375 total. Add a Beeman peep and you have a keeper for about $425.

Get all three, you will eventually and you won't be sorry or apologetic about it either. That's the way us super rationalizers are, by golly.

Good rationalizing,

Hmmmmmm........I wonder if Tim is still at the shop.......................that .22 Benjamin is what I need to go with these cookies and milk...... Yeah, that's the ticket.

Jerry

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Benjamin model 347

Msg. 111390  Posted by hoghuntr on May 13, 1999 at 19:59:38:

does anyone have any info on part's for the Benjamin air rifles.Does anyone know of somewhere I could buy the part's to repair one or send it to be repaired. Thank's
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Re: -RWS 48 .20 serial #02084226 chronographs measurements

Msg. 111389  Posted by vZc on May 13, 1999 at 19:53:55:

In Reply to: RWS 48 - .20 serial #02084226 arrived today ... posted by vZc on May 12, 1999 at 19:34:55:

9.5 gr Silver Bears @ 999 fps => 21.057 ft-lbs
14.3 gr Crosman Premier @ 808 fps. => 20.735 ft-lbs.

got 2 more RWS 48 - .20 serials #02084225&4 to measure & compare.
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Re: Tx 200 Scope Mount

Msg. 111388  Posted by JMartin on May 13, 1999 at 19:51:42:

In Reply to: Tx 200 Scope Mount posted by Ron on May 13, 1999 at 17:42:50:

5040 or 5030m (40mm scope) or 5030H
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Re: info on Leupold 20-50X50 scope please??

Msg. 111387  Posted by Wade on May 13, 1999 at 19:45:38:

In Reply to: info on Leupold 20-50X50 scope please?? posted by jj on May 13, 1999 at 07:38:10:

It will focus to about 14 yds before the need for
the c.f. adaptor. It doesn't necessarily range
find any better than a NightForce - not for the
price dif. anyway. The sidewheel has its advantages
and disadvantages; I'm a left hand loader and the
wheel gets in the way, and if you're a lefty it is
nearly worthless. Leupold is without a doubt the
toughest scope in the US market and has a great
warranty and optics as well, so GET YOU ONE! Wade
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Re: The " Intermount "

Msg. 111386  Posted by ERIC on May 13, 1999 at 19:43:15:

In Reply to: The " Intermount " posted by JRS on May 13, 1999 at 19:35:36:

Don't put them on at all! mac-1 can cut dovetail grooves in the reciever for you!
Some info beneath. I've always considered geting this and then puting a red dot sight on it.

Dovetail Option(add $25 to gun purchase or repair).
For the last four years or so the breech has been produced from round
material and is wide enough for us to cut dovetails directly in the breech
for a sure grip between gun and scope. It is fairly awkward to fit a scope
to any underlever pump pnuematic because the most favorable spot for
holding the gun is being taken by the scope. I highly recommend the peep
for that reason. If you must fit a scope you want to glue the factory base
on if you choose to use that. The better approach scopes and/or high mounts it seems a poor choice at best. The cheekpieceis to dovetail the breech
but as both will force you into extremely short

will become a chin piece, plus cocking and pumping effort will increase.
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Re: Sheridan Accuracy Problems, Can anyone help?

Msg. 111385  Posted by Tim M. on May 13, 1999 at 19:41:26:

In Reply to: Sheridan Accuracy Problems, Can anyone help? posted by TM on May 13, 1999 at 14:31:03:

Check the barrel, especially near the muzzle,for damage. I have experienced such innaccuracy from a Sheridan rifle because a friend bumped the end of the relatively soft brass barrel against my bench, but neglected to tell me about it. To repair it I put a nailset in the barrel, tapped it several times and the gun shot as it did previous to the bumping.
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Re: What a difference a good scope makes...

Msg. 111384  Posted by ERIC on May 13, 1999 at 19:38:47:

In Reply to: What a difference a good scope makes... posted by Luis Leon on May 13, 1999 at 19:20:53:

It's posts like that which really makes me wish I could put a scope on my steriod ^-^. I suppose I could get the intermounts, but a scope on pumpers takes up the best area to place your hand while pumping. I could put it farther out on the barrel, i guess but i don't really want to get a long eye relif scope. Besides, I heard the intermounts tend to slip around. I'll just have to make do with the peep i guess.

BTW, has anyone tried a red dot sight on one of these?
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Re: What a difference a good scope makes...

Msg. 111383  Posted by rk on May 13, 1999 at 19:37:46:

In Reply to: What a difference a good scope makes... posted by Luis Leon on May 13, 1999 at 19:20:53:

Hey Luis,
How much is Natchez selling the Trophy refurbs for anyway? Looking top off my HW97.
Thanks,
rk
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The " Intermount "

Msg. 111382  Posted by JRS on May 13, 1999 at 19:35:36:

I have several Crosman airguns and I always put scopes on because this is the way I like to shoot.
Some have suggested using silicone as a glue to help steady and immobilize these mounts; but some of my guns give out 4-1 groups and make me supicious of the silicone...The only high grade glue I know of is Devcon [aluminum based]. This seems a likely candidate for experimentations; but I don't know. If I try it and it doesn't work, I've got tough cleanup job that is certain to affect the finish......My question is: What is the best way of putting the Intermount scope bases on?
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Re: Crosman 2289- what do you all think?

Msg. 111381  Posted by ERIC on May 13, 1999 at 19:34:04:

In Reply to: Crosman 2289- what do you all think? posted by thorin brown on May 13, 1999 at 18:22:14:

10 pumps. Trigger is kind of long to me, if you really want a good trigger, buy a higher quality gun.
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Re: Supermax is not made in .22 cal nt

Msg. 111380  Posted by ERIC on May 13, 1999 at 19:32:21:

In Reply to: Supermax is not made in .22 cal nt posted by Ric in AZ on May 11, 1999 at 21:55:16:

I didn't say it was. i meant it's best to get a gun in .22, but didn't mention anything about a .22 supermax.Sorry if that was confusing.
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Re: CR Premiers and Crow Magnums, will try others soon (nt)

Msg. 111379  Posted by ERIC on May 13, 1999 at 19:26:11:

In Reply to: CR Premiers and Crow Magnums, will try others soon (nt) posted by TM on May 13, 1999 at 14:59:23:

Try other kinds. I experimented with 7 different kinds of pellets before I found " the one".
The tune won't help accuracy. It boosts power, makes pumping EASIER ( well, up to 8 pumps anyway), makes the lever stronger, and lightens the trigger. Pretty good for just 105$, eh?
Also, clean out the barrel with some patches and a drop or two of simple green or fantastick. If that doesn't work, check the barrel for burrs.

HTH
ERIC
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Thank you jerry but..

Msg. 111378  Posted by Marion on May 13, 1999 at 19:23:59:

In Reply to: Do you really think that Russ is chopped liver????? posted by Jerry Rhodes on May 13, 1999 at 19:12:51:

Do you also hace the velocity of the BSA Goldstar and rws 52 in the same cal (.22) ???
they are my other options within the same price range thank you in advance
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Re: K-Mart Customer service Rep E-mail and Phone #

Msg. 111377  Posted by Stocky on May 13, 1999 at 19:23:48:

In Reply to: Re: K-Mart Customer service Rep E-mail and Phone # posted by CJ on May 13, 1999 at 19:05:44:

I think Rosey's pretty much a bag of farts too, but if you want action you send all and any correspondence directly to the President, marked personal and confidential.

After about a thousand Emails/contacts to Customer service, they will drop a memo to the president, who's secretary "might" mention it to her boss in passing. Big deal!
If you send it to "him", his secretary will go nutty with all the bother, and bug him right up until he does something about it!
That's how it works!
Stocky

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Re: first air gun for 11 year old

Msg. 111376  Posted by John M on May 13, 1999 at 19:22:46:

In Reply to: Re: first air gun for 11 year old posted by RBest on May 13, 1999 at 18:36:11:

I was about to post the question "Who makes the Beeman Gold Series GS series?" Since you have one I thought you might know.
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What a difference a good scope makes...

Msg. 111375  Posted by Luis Leon on May 13, 1999 at 19:20:53:

I recently purchased an hw77k, and put the only scope I owned a 2x-7x tasco on it... It seem like I couldn't do better than 1 inch. groups at 20 yards. I attributed this to the fact that I am not a paper shooter. I just took delivery of a 6x-18x trophy scope (the refurbished ones being sold by Natchez). After mounting it, and taking the rifle out back for an initial sight-in, I couldn't believe how much brighter the optics look, and how CLOSE everything looks at 18x. My groups at 20 yards have now shrunken to under a 1/4 inch... I only shot 4, 5-shot groups, so things can only get better... Great scope for the price... I had been previously muttering to myself, that "I couldn't buy better groups" than I was getting with my previous scope, I guess I was wrong...

Regards

Luis
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Re: K-Mart Spokesperson Rosie O'Donnell

Msg. 111374  Posted by ERIC on May 13, 1999 at 19:20:13:

In Reply to: K-Mart Spokesperson Rosie O'Donnell posted by G. Jang on May 13, 1999 at 17:58:17:

Some people are just like that. Maybe they do it to get ratings?
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Re: FWB 124 velocity,with Maccari tune?

Msg. 111373  Posted by John M on May 13, 1999 at 19:17:44:

In Reply to: FWB 124 velocity,with Maccari tune? posted by Joey on May 13, 1999 at 19:10:26:

I have a 124 with a Dave Slade (Airgunwerks aka "Triggerman")tune I will test it on Sunday with the 10.9's and let you know. With 7.9's it is about 850.
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Re: Crosman 1377C 600 fps

Msg. 111372  Posted by ERIC on May 13, 1999 at 19:16:24:

In Reply to: Crosman 1377C 600 fps posted by JRS on May 13, 1999 at 19:14:16:

Accuracy is decent for something that inexpensive. It's durable. Go get the .22 version if you want more power.
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Crosman 1377C 600 fps

Msg. 111371  Posted by JRS on May 13, 1999 at 19:14:16:

Crosman advertises their Crosman 1377C at 600 fps and they test with CP's [7.9] according to correspondence I have had with them...That puts it in the same speed class as the P1 [Maybe even faster if Beeman uses light weight pellets to get up bragging speeds]...Now I'm wondering about accuracy and durability.....I'd be pleased to hear from someones's experience with this airgun. I don't want to judge it on the basis of its approximate 1/12th the cost of the P1.
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Re: Air rifle smoking when fired!

Msg. 111370  Posted by ERIC on May 13, 1999 at 19:13:52:

In Reply to: Air rifle smoking when fired! posted by Jeff on May 13, 1999 at 17:21:54:

No, it's just dieseling. it can, however, be damaging to the spring piston.
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Do you really think that Russ is chopped liver?????

Msg. 111369  Posted by Jerry Rhodes on May 13, 1999 at 19:12:51:

In Reply to: I need some one who really tested the velocity himself NT posted by Marion on May 13, 1999 at 18:54:20:

Marion,

What more do you need??? Just about everybody that owns a PE will tell you that they get about 800 ish figures. Mine gets 805 with CP's. The way it shoots and the way it is built makes the velocity to the nth degree of the most abysmal indifference to me. If you have the opportunity to buy one (from any source) you will be pleased regardless of what it shoots as long a it is FAC. If I was limited to 12ft lbs I would stick to my Crossman 101 in .22 cal.

Good Shooting

Jerry
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Re: Air rifle smoking when fired!

Msg. 111368  Posted by John M on May 13, 1999 at 19:12:30:

In Reply to: Re: Air rifle smoking when fired! posted by RBest on May 13, 1999 at 18:01:39:

Russ, I posted under the wrong item. See my question under energy/sight comment below.
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FWB 124 velocity,with Maccari tune?

Msg. 111367  Posted by Joey on May 13, 1999 at 19:10:26:

My 124 shoots 650 - 660 fps with a maccari tune .I only have premiers 10.5 grains.Is this right? I now the 7.9 are the prefered pellets.They should go around 800+,but does anyone have croneys off there gun with the 10.5? With or without the tune. Thank you Joey
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Re: Found this sight that has neat energy calculator..

Msg. 111366  Posted by John M on May 13, 1999 at 19:09:49:

In Reply to: Re: Found this sight that has neat energy calculator.. posted by RBest on May 13, 1999 at 18:05:23:

Russ, talking of dieseling, I haven't heard of anyone using a Barracuda in a long time. They are collectors' items now, but I wonder if any are still in active use.
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Re: check the 2nd e-mail. Thanks!

Msg. 111365  Posted by STEVE H on May 13, 1999 at 19:06:19:

In Reply to: Re: check the 2nd e-mail. Thanks! posted by Steve H. on May 13, 1999 at 10:28:03:

THANK-YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOU HELP. i WILL USE THE INFORMATION IN A
RESPONSIBLE MANNER.

SINCERLY

STEVE HARTWIG
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Re: K-Mart Customer service Rep E-mail and Phone #

Msg. 111364  Posted by CJ on May 13, 1999 at 19:05:44:

In Reply to: K-Mart Spokesperson Rosie O'Donnell posted by G. Jang on May 13, 1999 at 17:58:17:


Heer it is.

kmartcustserve@null.null


1-800-643-6256

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Count that day lost that you learn not something new.......

Msg. 111363  Posted by Jerry Rhodes on May 13, 1999 at 18:59:50:

In Reply to: Re: third time's a charm................. posted by Jerry Rhodes on May 13, 1999 at 18:56:57:

I hope I found the gremlin!

Axel,

By popular demand.....................

Here is my answer. It is what I have done and is in no way guaranteed to accomplish
anything .

Proceed at your own risk.

The RWS trigger is pretty straight forward. You just have to think it out.

From what you posted it seems that you are saying that there doesn't seem to be a first
stage.

The "second" stage is that point where the movement of the first stage suddenly gets more
"difficult" or "stiffer" and the gun fires.

The screw that is closest to the pivot point of the trigger controls the length of the first
stage. I usually adjust this one so there is a tiny bit of slack before the trigger starts to
move the sear. At this point the mechanical advantage of the trigger is high in relation to
the sear. With the screw farthest from the trigger pivot screwed all the way out you will
have a continous first stage until the gun fires. The trigger simply rotates the sear until it
reaches the point of release. By screwing in the farthest screw the trigger bar movement
will "firm up" when the mechanical advantage of the the trigger bar suddenly drops. This
signals you that the trigger is on the verge of release. If you don't have this screw turned
in enough the release becomes erratic because these things aren't made to that close of a
tolerance.

Try this carefully.

1) turn the rear screw out a a few turns.

2) adjust front screw until you have a tiny bit of slack when cocked. Load a pellet and see
how it behaves. It should have an constant feel all the way to discharge. If not turn out
the rear screw some more and repeat.

3) start turning the rear screw in until you definitely feel the trigger travel "firm up" when
you shoot it.

At this point you are somewhere close to right. If you screw IN the rear screw at this time
you will increase 2nd stage travel which will be felt as "stiffness" or trigger weight.
Carefully screwing it OUT will move the sear closer and closer to release and the reduced
travel will manifest itself as getting lighter.

There is no rush to do something about the trigger. Read my post and study the trigger
mechanism until you understand the interplay of the two screws. It is really just basic
physics. The old fulcrum and lever thing. Nowbody will get hurt if you don't point it at
anything you don't want to shoot. And don't shoot it without a pellet in it.

I don't know what your experience shooting is, but sometimes it is hard to feel the
movement of a trigger. I have shot so many THOUSANDS of rounds that I feel
roughness that even my gunsmith friends miss.

Good luck and let me know how it works out..

Almost all of these two stage triggers work this way. What makes them mysterious is the
clever ways that these tiny levers can be arranged in relation to each other. Sometimes it
helps to just sit and stare at it for a couple of hours. Kind of like Koko the gorilla might.
I am really looking forward to Vortek's aftermarket sear that is supposed to replace the
stamped steel thing. According to Dave Franey it is the answer to a, 48/52 shooting,
maiden's prayer.

Jerry


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Re: third time's a charm.................

Msg. 111362  Posted by Jerry Rhodes on May 13, 1999 at 18:56:57:

In Reply to: Hmmmmmmmm..lost something in the posting.......... posted by Jerry Rhodes on May 13, 1999 at 18:53:50:

Axel,

By popular demand.....................

Here is my answer. It is what I have done and is in no way guaranteed to accomplish
anything .

Proceed at your own risk.

Almost all of these two stage triggers work this way. What makes them mysterious is the
clever ways that these tiny levers can be arranged in relation to each other. Sometimes it
helps to just sit and stare at it for a couple of hours. Kind of like Koko the gorilla might.
I am really looking forward to Vortek's aftermarket sear that is supposed to replace the
stamped steel thing. According to Dave Franey it is the answer to a, 48/52 shooting,
maiden's prayer.

Jerry


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Re: air rfle for squirrels

Msg. 111361  Posted by Quack on May 13, 1999 at 18:55:41:

In Reply to: air rfle for squirrels posted by Mike on May 12, 1999 at 21:49:29:

In your search for an airgun for squirrels, I would strongly consider the weight of the gun(no pun intended). There are alot of very powerful airguns that you can buy in your price range that are 8+ lbs. If you like to walk in the woods for hours, this can wear you down quickly. Most multi pumps are light weight as well as PCPs and a few springers. If you're just shooting them in your backyard then get what you want. Hope this helps, Quack

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I need some one who really tested the velocity himself NT

Msg. 111360  Posted by Marion on May 13, 1999 at 18:54:20:

In Reply to: Re: help please posted by RBest on May 13, 1999 at 18:38:23:

NT
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Hmmmmmmmm..lost something in the posting..........

Msg. 111359  Posted by Jerry Rhodes on May 13, 1999 at 18:53:50:

In Reply to: Good point, Axel. posted by Jerry Rhodes on May 13, 1999 at 18:48:01:

Axel,

By popular demand.....................

Here is my answer. It is what I have done and is in no way guaranteed to accomplish anything .

Proceed at your own risk.

Almost all of these two stage triggers work this way. What makes them mysterious is the clever ways that these tiny levers can be arranged in relation to each other. Sometimes it helps to just sit and stare at it for a couple of hours. Kind of like Koko the gorilla might. I am really looking forward to Vortek's aftermarket sear that is supposed to replace the stamped steel thing. According to Dave Franey it is the answer to a, 48/52 shooting, maiden's prayer.

Jerry


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Here it is! Kmart Corporation 3100 W. Big Beaver Rd. Troy, Michigan 48084-3163 Kmart Corporation 3100 W. Big Beaver Rd. Troy, Michigan 48084-3163

Msg. 111358  Posted by Craig W. on May 13, 1999 at 18:48:22:

In Reply to: Re: That disgusting, fat, obnoxious, arrogant pig.. posted by Craig W. on May 13, 1999 at 18:30:19:


Kmart Corporation
3100 W. Big Beaver Rd.
Troy, Michigan 48084-3163
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Good point, Axel.

Msg. 111357  Posted by Jerry Rhodes on May 13, 1999 at 18:48:01:

In Reply to: RWS48 Trigger, No 2nd Stage HELP posted by Axel on May 13, 1999 at 16:18:16:

Axel,

By popular demand.....................

Here is my answer. It is what I have done and is in no way guaranteed to accomplish anything .

Proceed at your own risk.

Almost all of these two stage triggers work this way. What makes them mysterious is the clever ways that these tiny levers can be arranged in relation to each other. Sometimes it helps to just sit and stare at it for a couple of hours. Kind of like Koko the gorilla might. I am really looking forward to Vortek's aftermarket sear that is supposed to replace the stamped steel thing. According to Dave Franey it is the answer to a, 48/52 shooting, maiden's prayer.

Jerry


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Re: Help, TX200 Owners

Msg. 111356  Posted by RBest on May 13, 1999 at 18:46:23:

In Reply to: Help, TX200 Owners posted by Ron on May 13, 1999 at 11:23:42:

Ron: the TX's are factory spec'd for Premiers, but Beeman Trophy's work beautifully in mine, and at a slightly higher velocity with less leading in the barrel. These are basically the only 2 pellets I use in it. Regards, Russ
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Re: Beeman ERMA ELG10

Msg. 111355  Posted by RBest on May 13, 1999 at 18:42:59:

In Reply to: Re: Beeman ERMA ELG10 posted by Don R. on May 13, 1999 at 18:29:25:

Don: I struck a deal with Trevor for that one-- heh heh. Matter of fact, I have to send him some $$ soon! Once I get it, I'll write up some comments to post here about the gun. Trevor already sent me some photo's-- looks good! Russ
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Re: help please

Msg. 111354  Posted by RBest on May 13, 1999 at 18:38:23:

In Reply to: help please posted by Marion on May 13, 1999 at 18:32:02:

Marion: the PE in .22 typically makes 815 tp 830 fps in untuned form ( right from the box) using 14.3 gr Crosman Premier pellets. Russ
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Re: DIFFERENT TANKS; 3000 and 4500psi Carbon Fiber

Msg. 111353  Posted by John Piper on May 13, 1999 at 18:37:01:

In Reply to: DIFFERENT SIZE SCUBA TANKS... posted by Adam on May 12, 1999 at 21:58:27:

The paintball folks have been moving to light weight carbon fiber tanks (68cu inch volume 2.2 pounds, 114 cu inch volume 3 pounds). At 3000psi thats 118 cubic feet and 197 cubic feet of air respectively. At 4500psi it's 177 cubic feet and 297 cubic feet of air. The drawbacks are price (haven't checked lately but maybe $400US range) and possibly difficulties in finding a place to get a 4500psi fill.
On the other hand, if you have a paintball outlet in the area they'll probably be able to provide a 4500psi fill. The higher pressure means that you can refill your gun to 3000psi many times before the tank pressure drops below 3000psi. That really makes up for the smaller size of the tanks. The tanks are light and small enough that some paintball guns use the them as a rifle stock.
There's a URL below for fiber wrapped tanks. You'd be better off checking with a local paintball outfit if there is one. The one in my area gives free 4500psi fills if the tank is purchased from them. Lots of other paintball technology links are available from www.warpig.com
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Re: first air gun for 11 year old

Msg. 111352  Posted by RBest on May 13, 1999 at 18:36:11:

In Reply to: first air gun for 11 year old posted by Steve Gates on May 13, 1999 at 15:13:42:

Steve: The GT is OK, but 600 is the TOP velocity with light pellets. Not adequate for much more than paper punching. I got my sons a GS700 and GS1000 for Xmas, and I must say, I like the 700 ! Shoots nice, good balance and is not huge. With it's increased power, it has some pest and vermin capabilities too. I bought a $40 BSA 4x32 airgun scope for it, and he loves it! Russ
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Re: Crosman 2289- what do you all think?

Msg. 111351  Posted by Quack on May 13, 1999 at 18:35:01:

In Reply to: Crosman 2289- what do you all think? posted by thorin brown on May 13, 1999 at 18:22:14:

Buy it from MAC-1, they'll make a good improvement on the trigger and make it more accurate. Takes 10 pumps for full power. I love mine, give it a try. Good Luck, Quack

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help please

Msg. 111350  Posted by Marion on May 13, 1999 at 18:32:02:

I am going to buy a new pro-elite .22 gun and i need velocity numbers with diferent pellets can you help me? thanks in advance
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Re: That disgusting, fat, obnoxious, arrogant pig..

Msg. 111349  Posted by Craig W. on May 13, 1999 at 18:30:19:

In Reply to: K-Mart Spokesperson Rosie O'Donnell posted by G. Jang on May 13, 1999 at 17:58:17:

That disgusting, fat, obnoxious, arrogant pig also tried to get her more feeble-mided viewers to take their husbands firearms to the local police department and turn them in.

I'll also write Kresge Corp, or whatever it is. I'll post the address here soon.
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Re: Beeman ERMA ELG10

Msg. 111348  Posted by Don R. on May 13, 1999 at 18:29:25:

In Reply to: Beeman ERMA ELG10 posted by ephraim on May 13, 1999 at 12:28:58:

Keep in mind that some of these may have arrived in the U.S. without being sold by Beeman - I'd be extremely surprised if there were only 25 in the country - see Gaylord's Airgun Revue #4 for article all about ELG10 - they really are a slick little item. I've seen several for sale over the past 10 years. Too bad you didn't get the one Trevor Adams offered recently.
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Re: Opinion of Rx-1

Msg. 111347  Posted by RBest on May 13, 1999 at 18:27:58:

In Reply to: Opinion of Rx-1 posted by Bill P. on May 13, 1999 at 16:43:55:

I like mine fine. .20 cal and 3 years old. RB
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Re: smoke coming from the barrel

Msg. 111346  Posted by RBest on May 13, 1999 at 18:26:26:

In Reply to: smoke coming from the barrel posted by rob on May 13, 1999 at 11:40:16:

Rob: as Rich said, it's relatively common for a new gun to do it a few times. The terms dieseling and detonation are used to describe this situation. Detonation is the louder of the two conditions. It CAN damage the spring and/or seal, so hopefully, it'll clear up real soon. Make sure ypou don't dryfire the gun. Always use a pellet. Russ
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TIME OUT! Does anybody know why Paul Watts' web page is down???

Msg. 111345  Posted by Jerry Rhodes on May 13, 1999 at 18:25:03:

In Reply to: Anybody know why Paul Watts went out of business? N/T posted by James on May 13, 1999 at 15:56:10:

I just want to go read a little and look at neat stuff.

Jerry

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Crosman 2289- what do you all think?

Msg. 111344  Posted by thorin brown on May 13, 1999 at 18:22:14:

I wanted an acurate, non spring .22 rifle for about 100$canadian, and this was suggested to me. Anyone have any comments about this gun?

I am particularly interested in questions of

A:trigger pull?

B: number or pumps required to bring it to full power.?

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Re: Exotic gasses! Will Helium break the gun ?

Msg. 111343  Posted by John piper on May 13, 1999 at 18:18:06:

In Reply to: Re: Exotic gasses! posted by MCsenger on May 13, 1999 at 15:32:52:

The power increase from using Helium won't overload the internals of a gun as long as the initial fill pressure using Helium (say 3000psi for a Career) is the same as that used for air. When 3000psi Helium is released from the valve behind a pellet, the maximum possible pressure in the barrel is still 3000psi, exactly the same as when using air. The main difference is that Helium exits through the valve faster than air, so it maintains a higher pressure behind the pellet for a longer distance down the barrel than air does. As a result, the total cumulative force exerted against the inside walls of the barrel before the pellet exits the barrel will be somewhat higher with Helium than with air.
That doesn't mean that Helium couldn't conceivably hurt a gun, or that it would even work as well as air. Some nonmetalic seal materials will swell, depending on the specific gas and pressure they are exposed to. Seals might also leak Helium where they wouldn't leak air. I've left my Career charged for several weeks at 3000psi with 100% Helium with no apparent leakage or power loss. A different gun might leak or fail to function properly when left charged with Helium.
It's been pointed out before but bears repeating here. Never, ever use Hydrogen, Oxygen, propane, or any other non-inert gas in a PCP gun. Never use any gas contaminated with volatile chemicals (like oil) or moisture. Clean, dry air, Nitrogen, Helium and Argon are about the only safe gasses to put under high pressure in a PCP. Helium's the only one of those that provides a big power boost over air. Carbon Dioxide should only go into guns designed to use it.


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Chrono features and sources

Msg. 111341  Posted by John M on May 13, 1999 at 18:16:44:

I am about to invest in a chrono. Any suggestions as to what features are important, memory etc., and who has decent prices.

Thanks
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Re: Giving replies without firsthand knowledge

Msg. 111340  Posted by wved on May 13, 1999 at 18:12:05:

In Reply to: Re: Giving replies without firsthand knowledge posted by The Airgun Letter on May 13, 1999 at 14:54:40:

Fair enough! You don't have to do the disclaimer on my account though, I feel that I should be held accountable for my own goofy actions :-)! wved
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Re: Barrel Droop, kind of a misnomer.

Msg. 111339  Posted by Jerry Rhodes on May 13, 1999 at 18:07:12:

In Reply to: Barrel Droop, Is It Really a Problem With Fixed Barrel Rifles amp; Why?(nt) posted by MartinL on May 13, 1999 at 14:57:55:

Martin,

"Barrel Droop" is sort of a generic term that has it's roots in the problems that break bbl rifles exhibit when the final fitting of the breech is not perfect and the closed locked bbl points someplace except straight ahead. When shooting with open sights it is far better to have the bbl pointing down than to have it pointing up, even a little bit. You can always lift your head a little to look down a bbl that points down but it is hard to mash your cheek down to be able to sight along a bbl that points up. So to be safe the practice was to droop to be safe. Any error would only result in a straigher line.

The "drooped" or adjustable scope mounts are needed to compensate for the extreme closeup shooting that is characteristic of airguns. At thirty yards the line of sight and the flight of the pellet converge at a fairly steep angle that is made even steeper the higher the scope is mounted above the bbl. A while back Tim posted that a certain manufacturer, when asked to sight in his new rifle, saw the advantage of maybe "drooping" the bbls on his product UP which would make the scope and pellet flight path converge at a reasonable distance with minimal crosshair adjustment.

I hope that I haven't missed something. If you spot something fix it.

Jerry
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Re: Found this sight that has neat energy calculator..

Msg. 111338  Posted by RBest on May 13, 1999 at 18:05:23:

In Reply to: Found this sight that has neat energy calculator.. posted by TM on May 13, 1999 at 16:56:31:

Tim: Weihrauch has a program you can quickly download, that will calculate energy on screen, when you type in pellet weight and velocity. I have it, but I lost the web address to pass on to others. Nice handy doo dad to have. Regards, Russ
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Re: Things that should work in theory that I would not try.

Msg. 111337  Posted by wved on May 13, 1999 at 18:04:34:

In Reply to: Things that should work in theory that I would not try. posted by E Fudd on May 13, 1999 at 15:02:07:

Hi Mr, Fudd! The thing that raised a "red flag" in my mind was that (while internal pressure would be equal) surface area of the guns innerds is larger than a co2 cylinder. This makes the stresses on the guns frame (pressure x square inches of surface) much higher. I couldn't imagine Crosman (or whoever) designing the guns frame for this pressure. Thanks for the comment.
wved
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Re: Air rifle smoking when fired!

Msg. 111336  Posted by RBest on May 13, 1999 at 18:01:39:

In Reply to: Air rifle smoking when fired! posted by Jeff on May 13, 1999 at 17:21:54:

Jeff: I think you're worrying too much. In the hot sun, the oils inside the gun thinned and probably flowed by your piston seal a bit. It caused dieseling for a few shots. You mentioned smoke coming from the break barrel joint though, which could indicated your breech seal is worn or flattened out more than it should be. In order to damage your rifling with heat, you'd need to literally get the barrel red hot- lets say about 1500 degrees!!!! The lead pellets would surely melt LONG before that ever happened. HTH, Russ
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K-Mart Spokesperson Rosie O'Donnell

Msg. 111335  Posted by G. Jang on May 13, 1999 at 17:58:17:

It has come to my attention that Rosie O'Donnell has used her show as a political forum to make irresponsible remarks and cast aspersions upon all gun owners and RTKBA. Stated something to the effect that all gun owners should be put in prison and treated like criminals. The response I got from K-Mart was a form letter defending her freedom of speech rights as guaranteed by the Bill of Rights. Well folks, I value my second amendment rights as guaranteed by the bill of rights, also. She has used the TV media to slap law abiding citizens in the face. I suggest that all of us use all the media resources available to us and exercise our freedom of speech rights to reply to this verbal assault on our second amendment rights and to punctuate our statements by casting our $ votes with anyone but K-Mart. The following is a copy of my corresspondence with K-Mart.

-----Original Message-----
> From: gljang@null.null [mailto:gljang@null.null]
> Sent: Thursday, May 13, 1999 2:39 AM
> To: webmaster@null.null
> Subject: Kmart Store:Complaints:General Comment
>
> Because you sponser and support the likes of the Rosie
>O'Donnell Show where the host makes politically disparaging and condemning
>remarks about those engaged in the legal pursuit of recreational activities
>such as hunting, I and all the friends I can influence will no longer shop
>at K-Mart. We will be shopping at Wal-Mart and Target. I am just one small
>customer, but my friends and their friends and all the people the people we
>can reach on the outdoor recreational forums and use.null groups will be
>encouraged to do the same. I consider this to be a slap in the face to a
>large populace of law abiding citizens. Unless she makes a public apology
>to said populace on her TV show or K-Mart dissasociates itself from her
>show, I assure you that such a venue will be pursued most vigorously.
>
> Yours truly,
> Galen Jang

>Kmart advocates the safe, responsible sale and ownership of sporting
>firearms. That is why we have extensive policies and procedures in place to
>ensure that all FBI and ATF procedures are followed by our sporting goods
>personnel in all firearms sales. We also participate in gun safety programs
>in many communities.
>
>
>Kmart also supports the right of free speech and stands by Rosie O'Donnell's
>freedom to express her personal opinions about gun ownership.

Freedom of speech is one of our rights guaranteed by the Bill of Rights as is the right to bear arms, but as long as K-Mart endorses a spokesperson so irresponsible as to state that I should go to prison for pursuing legal activities guaranteed by the Bill of Rights, I will cast my $ votes to put you out of business and campaign to influence the votes of others by exercising my freedom of speech. I will do my utmost to influence the zoning commisions of any municipality in which K-Mart contemplates opening stores to deny application of permit. God bless the freedom of speech and the World Wide Web, radio talk shows, outdoor magazines and every other media resource I can use to exercise my freedom of speech.

Yours truly,
Galen Jang

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Re: Which caliber is best for hunting?

Msg. 111334  Posted by wved on May 13, 1999 at 17:52:34:

In Reply to: Re: Which caliber is best for hunting? posted by H. Todd on May 13, 1999 at 15:50:14:

Hi H. Todd. I agree that the .222 is the sweetest caliber for groundhog hunting! Not the range of my .243, but also not the muzzle blast and pinpoint accurate. Shot a rabbit with the .222 while hunting G'hogs with a 55gr hollowpoint, not real smart, and cut the rabbit in two. Needless to say, it didn't have much edible meat left. Just remembering my youth. :-) wved
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Tx 200 Scope Mount

Msg. 111332  Posted by Ron on May 13, 1999 at 17:42:50:

Which scope mount is best for the TX 200?
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Re: Can Adjust.

Msg. 111331  Posted by Don S. on May 13, 1999 at 17:42:30:

In Reply to: Can Adjust. posted by Mac1 on May 12, 1999 at 22:54:25:

I did it and it is just fine now. Thank you very much.
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Re: Barrel Droop, kind of a misnomer.

Msg. 111330  Posted by Jerry Rhodes on May 13, 1999 at 17:39:11:

In Reply to: Barrel Droop, Is It Really a Problem With Fixed Barrel Rifles amp; Why?(nt) posted by MartinL on May 13, 1999 at 14:57:55:



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Air rifle smoking when fired!

Msg. 111328  Posted by Jeff on May 13, 1999 at 17:21:54:

I have a 10 year old Baikal HK-38. About a week ago I was shooting out back, I then went inside for about a half hour. I left the rifle on the Trampoline outside in the sun. I came back out and let off a shot, thought I seen smoke come from the area that the barrel breaks. So I fired another one, same thing, but this time when I opened the barrel smoke poured out. There was nothing in there, nice and clean. So I took it inside and let it cool down and tried later and found that everything seem alright.
Now, I imagine that it was smoking because I left it in the hot sun on a black surface and the heat between the pellet and already hot barrel made it smoke.
Do you think I did any damage to the rifling or anything else? It still seems to shoot fine.

Jeff
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Re: Address, Phone and Participation Info ?? nt

Msg. 111327  Posted by Chicagoan on May 13, 1999 at 17:15:24:

In Reply to: Boy! This is really nice. posted by DonC on May 12, 1999 at 17:30:08:


.
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Re: Are there any AG clubs in eastern Virginia?

Msg. 111324  Posted by JW on May 13, 1999 at 17:00:49:

In Reply to: Are there any AG clubs in eastern Virginia? posted by Timm on May 13, 1999 at 16:06:07:

I live in Chesapeake, VA and don't know of any, but would like to know if there are any.

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Found this sight that has neat energy calculator..

Msg. 111322  Posted by TM on May 13, 1999 at 16:56:31:

http://www.zvis.com/bvtengy.shtml has a calculator that graphs energy at different velocities for a given projectile weight.

Good Shooting.
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Re: I smell a troll nt

Msg. 111321  Posted by James on May 13, 1999 at 16:55:10:

In Reply to: I smell a troll nt posted by Marty Jones on May 13, 1999 at 16:12:42:

Read post above your troll sniffing post.
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http://www.gamo.com ... very easy, isn't it? nt

Msg. 111318  Posted by Axel on May 13, 1999 at 16:47:57:

In Reply to: gamo web sight posted by DALE W MERRILL SR on May 13, 1999 at 16:38:15:

nt
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Re: Anybody know why Paul Watts went out of business? N/T

Msg. 111317  Posted by James on May 13, 1999 at 16:47:44:

In Reply to: Re: Anybody know why Paul Watts went out of business? N/T posted by Wade on May 13, 1999 at 16:02:30:

Well if he is still in business, why does the Paul Watts link on the Springmans website say he is out of business for good?
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Opinion of Rx-1

Msg. 111315  Posted by Bill P. on May 13, 1999 at 16:43:55:

Does anyone have any opinion of the Beeman Rx-1, good or bad? I,m thinking of buying one. Thanks
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Re: Beeman ERMA ELG10

Msg. 111314  Posted by Axel on May 13, 1999 at 16:42:40:

In Reply to: Beeman ERMA ELG10 posted by ephraim on May 13, 1999 at 12:28:58:

You are asking about a German piece of art, looks like the Winchester 1894, I never seen one but I know some one owned one for sometime, as I recall: it was only available in .177 cal, wight about 6.5 lbs, lever action, auto loaded from an -under barrel- magazine, with a little less than 5 ft/lbs energy the gun is low in power but it has excellent quality finishing, materials and well designed.
Axel.
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gamo web sight

Msg. 111312  Posted by DALE W MERRILL SR on May 13, 1999 at 16:38:15:

Does anyone have the web address of the gamo rifles.THANKS for any help DALE
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TX deals

Msg. 111311  Posted by Mike A on May 13, 1999 at 16:32:16:

If anyone is interested in the latest and greatest TX, I heard Jim Maccari had some on sale. If you've been waiting, this might be the time to hook up. Got a friend who recently bought one and absolutely loves it.
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Re: Semi-automatic Airguns ?

Msg. 111308  Posted by W. Edwards on May 13, 1999 at 16:18:32:

In Reply to: Semi-automatic Airguns ? posted by Conrad (SJ CA) on May 13, 1999 at 13:24:12:

Try Crosman 1077 which is probably exactly what
you are looking for.
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RWS48 Trigger, No 2nd Stage HELP

Msg. 111307  Posted by Axel on May 13, 1999 at 16:18:16:

In Reply to: Re: RWS48 Trigger, No 2nd Stage HELP! posted by Jerry Rhodes on May 12, 1999 at 21:10:52:

Jerry, What's the idea of not posting the answer here so every one could make help of it? nt
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I smell a troll nt

Msg. 111305  Posted by Marty Jones on May 13, 1999 at 16:12:42:

In Reply to: Re: Anybody know why Paul Watts went out of business? N/T posted by Wade on May 13, 1999 at 16:02:30:


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World-class strategic blunder! [NT]

Msg. 111304  Posted by Jim R on May 13, 1999 at 16:07:43:

In Reply to: Senate kills bill to restrict sales at gunshows. !!! NT posted by Russ Best on May 12, 1999 at 20:44:50:


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Are there any AG clubs in eastern Virginia?

Msg. 111302  Posted by Timm on May 13, 1999 at 16:06:07:

I live in the Virginia Beach area, am new to airgunning, and was wondering if there are any local airgun organizations, ranges, competitions, etc in this area.

Thank you in advance for your help.
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In reallity,did Paul go out of business?

Msg. 111301  Posted by LOU V.K. on May 13, 1999 at 16:02:54:

In Reply to: Anybody know why Paul Watts went out of business? N/T posted by James on May 13, 1999 at 15:56:10:


I wouldn't blame him if he did. Been there,done that.
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Re: Anybody know why Paul Watts went out of business? N/T

Msg. 111300  Posted by Wade on May 13, 1999 at 16:02:30:

In Reply to: Anybody know why Paul Watts went out of business? N/T posted by James on May 13, 1999 at 15:56:10:

I just saw Paul an hour ago and he wonders why
he is out of business himself. It sure was sup-
prising to him to hear he was OUT OF BUSINESS!!!
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Anybody know why Paul Watts went out of business? N/T

Msg. 111299  Posted by James on May 13, 1999 at 15:56:10:

N/T

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Re: Which caliber is best for hunting?

Msg. 111297  Posted by H. Todd on May 13, 1999 at 15:50:14:

In Reply to: Re: Which caliber is best for hunting? posted by Jwinn on May 13, 1999 at 07:50:16:

LD and I always disagreed on this issue! LD was for the sport and thrill of hunting. I hunt to kill and kill with one shot as close to 100% as I can. I never use airguns for hunting period. I will at times use rimfire. I typically use 222 Rem as my cal. of choice for most of my groundhogs, etc. It would be a silly round for squirrels and bunnies but I don't shot those. If I did I would use a rimfire.

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Re: www.freeyellow/members6/goldentoller, um Huston, we've got a......

Msg. 111296  Posted by Steve B. on May 13, 1999 at 15:45:28:

In Reply to: Re: www.freeyellow/members6/goldentoller....(nt) posted by W. Edwards on May 13, 1999 at 12:04:22:

all: I used that address to get in originally (that's what is printed in this months flyer) but I checked the bookmark I saved and is different.

try www.freeyellow:8080/members6/goldentoller/

HTH - Steve B.
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Re: Dave Slade @ Airgunwerks will fix your gun

Msg. 111295  Posted by The Airgun Letter on May 13, 1999 at 15:32:59:

In Reply to: Dave Slade @ Airgunwerks will fix your gun posted by The Airgun Letter on May 13, 1999 at 08:36:56:

Air Arms has given Dave Slade of Airgunwerks the status of an authorized repair center, and that carries more weight and credence than a critique from his competition.

Edith Gaylord
The Airgun Letter
staff@null.null
http://www.airgunletter.null
http://www.airgunletter.com

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Re: Exotic gasses!

Msg. 111294  Posted by MCsenger on May 13, 1999 at 15:32:52:

In Reply to: Re: Exotic gasses! posted by John Piper on May 13, 1999 at 13:58:23:

There's a fellow on one of the UK airgun sites who talks about 2x more power (ft lbs) using helium.

Will that sort of load damage the inner workings of a PCP?
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What I would buy if I recommended something to you

Msg. 111293  Posted by H. Todd on May 13, 1999 at 15:21:01:

I have collected for many years and owned bargain basement to the best. If I lost everything and had to start over I would get the following:
Air rifle - TX 200 (most likely a MK ll)
Air Pistol - Steyr PCP
Rimfire rifle - Anschutz 54 action
Rimfire pistol - S&W 41
Centerfire Rifle - Sako 222
Centerfire Pistol - Kimber 45
Mind you there are lots of great guns that I did not mention. My choices are based on a base line of great accuracy and then coupled with return for dollar spent. For instance I prefer the Hammerli 208 to the S&W 41 but the price difference does not justify the Hammerli. I prefer Stalker to TX but the same principle apllies.
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first air gun for 11 year old

Msg. 111292  Posted by Steve Gates on May 13, 1999 at 15:13:42:

I'm looking for an air rifle for my 11 year old son. He has experience with his bb gun and has shot, with dad's supervision, a .22 rifle on many occassions. I'm looking for a youth size rifle that serves as a good transition to the hunting and additional shooting he will do in a few years. I don't care for extraordinary fps. It will be a target rifle first. Currently, I looking hard at the GT600-Beeman. Any other suggestions or comments on this model?
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There are NO sacred cows

Msg. 111291  Posted by The Airgun Letter on May 13, 1999 at 15:12:08:

In Reply to: Joe, can you spell " Sacred Cows " ? :^) [nt] posted by BURRIS on May 13, 1999 at 12:20:46:

There are no sacred cows. As a matter of fact, there are no airgun gods or goddesses. When have I stated otherwise that would lead you to believe there are sacred cows?

Edith Gaylord
The Airgun Letter
staff@null.null
http://www.airgunletter.null
http://www.airgunletter.com

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Things that should work in theory that I would not try.

Msg. 111290  Posted by E Fudd on May 13, 1999 at 15:02:07:

In Reply to: Re: Giving replies without firsthand knowledge posted by wved on May 13, 1999 at 14:31:24:

I believe that dry ice probably could be used instead of co2 cylinders. Maybe my thermodynamics is way off base, (I was never very good at it), but it seems to me that the gaseous pressure given off by dry ice shouldn't be any greater than that of liquid co2 in a regular cylinder. I agree with with you though about the wisdom of testing this theory and I would not do this. If I felt truly knowledgeable about all the factors involved however,(chemistry, metallurgy, and co2 gun construction), I might consider it.
In any event I don't think it's out of line for people to discuss it. No one suggested that people run out and load up with dry ice.
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Re: Giving replies without firsthand knowledge

Msg. 111289  Posted by wved on May 13, 1999 at 15:00:18:

In Reply to: Re: Giving replies without firsthand knowledge posted by DaveC on May 13, 1999 at 12:48:39:

Hi DaveC! Sorry, I didn't mean to come across as "pro Delphi" only. I'm also pro AGL! I do take advice "with a grain of salt", but when I advice from different respected sources, I form more accurate opinions. If there is an error, I'd like to hear about it so I can make a more informed opinion. It's tough being a newby!:-) Also, as a guest of AGL, the "politically correct" comment was out of place, and I apologize for being so bold as to speek my mind. I need to learn to keep negative responses to myself on AGL. wved
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CR Premiers and Crow Magnums, will try others soon (nt)

Msg. 111288  Posted by TM on May 13, 1999 at 14:59:23:

In Reply to: What type of ammo are ya using ? Have ya tried different kinds and with what results ? (nt) posted by jw on May 13, 1999 at 14:34:35:



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Barrel Droop, Is It Really a Problem With Fixed Barrel Rifles amp; Why?(nt)

Msg. 111286  Posted by MartinL on May 13, 1999 at 14:57:55:

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Re: Giving replies without firsthand knowledge

Msg. 111285  Posted by The Airgun Letter on May 13, 1999 at 14:54:40:

In Reply to: Re: Giving replies without firsthand knowledge posted by wved on May 13, 1999 at 14:31:24:

You're right, of course, that misinformation will occasionally appear. But I believe the vast preponderance of information is valid. What about the stuff that's not? Well, some will undoubtedly get through without comment, but the majority will be brought to the attention of others and the poster. Maybe I need to add a disclaimer to the top of every message page and the chrono download page messages stating that following any procedures given on the Airgun Forum will be done at your own risk and the Airgun Forum's contributors and The Airgun Letter are not responsible for the outcome of following any tips, hints, techniques, alterations, modifications, procedures or disassembly. Isn't the Inte.null wonderful?

Edith Gaylord
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What type of ammo are ya using ? Have ya tried different kinds and with what results ? (nt)

Msg. 111284  Posted by jw on May 13, 1999 at 14:34:35:

In Reply to: Sheridan Accuracy Problems, Can anyone help? posted by TM on May 13, 1999 at 14:31:03:

nt
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Anyone Use Silver Bears in .22 Pro Elite?

Msg. 111283  Posted by Ed Devlin on May 13, 1999 at 14:32:41:

Just got my .22 PE back from JM (got a tune) and sighted it in.
Boy, is that a smooth shooting gun. It was always
pretty smooth before the tune but had a little spring
noise upon firing. Now it sounds about like my sons
R7, which is to say it is very quiet.

Like most folks have said, my PE likes Crossman Primiers, shooting
them at about 830 ft/sec before the tune. I have not
had good luck with the Crow Magnums in the gun, getting
only a little over 18 ft lbs with those pellets, but I
would like to use a hollow point if it shoots well
with the gun.

Does anyone have any experience with
Silver Bears in a .22 PE? I have had very good luck
with those pellets in a JM tuned .20 R1, which shoots
the pellets at just under 23 ft lbs.

Silver Bears are quite flat shooting out
of the R1 and I was very impressed how they dropped
three large crows at about 30 yards with body shots.
I am also consdering using Meisterklugen wad cutters,
as these also give good accuracy and velocity with my PE.

I am not as concerned with long-range ability with the
gun, at least not as yet. Thats because I an not a
accomplished enough shot to be using the gun for hunting
much beyond 35 yards or so. I read the accounts of
folks getting good groups out past 30 yards and I just
shake my head. I have been shooting quite a bit over
the last year and still have a long way to go....

Ed

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Re: Giving replies without firsthand knowledge

Msg. 111282  Posted by wved on May 13, 1999 at 14:31:24:

In Reply to: Re: Giving replies without firsthand knowledge posted by The Airgun Letter on May 13, 1999 at 12:53:17:

I agree completely! This was not in reference to
"ripping guys heads off", just the comment about the "posting errors" thread. The example I gave was rediculous to make a point, and it seems to have been made! If there are errors being posted, why doesn't somebody tell me? I read a post where somebody suggested putting a chunk of dry ice in a co2 gun instead of a powerlet for power. Another poster agreed that it would "probably" work. I don't shoot a co2 gun but my "gut feeling" is, "it'll blow up in your face"! Since no one disagreed, I think I'll buy a Crosman and try it (NOT). Respectfully, wved
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Sheridan Accuracy Problems, Can anyone help?

Msg. 111281  Posted by TM on May 13, 1999 at 14:31:03:

I got my new Sheridan Silver Streak rifle a few weeks ago.
Accuracy of this rifle didn't seem to be too good (about 2" at twenty feet).
I ordered the Williams peep sight for it hoping this would help.
No dice. With the peep, I still can't get groups any smaller than two inches.
Is accuracy this horrible normal for this gun?
Eventually the gun is gonna go to Mac-1 for the steroid mod which I hope will help.
In the mean time I was wondering if anyone else has had accuracy this poor from a streak.

Also, to get the groups to go to point of aim, I had to move the peep to the far right extreme of it's travel. This doesn't seem right either.

Any input would be greatly appreciated.

Good shooting.
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Re: No-mar Pliers

Msg. 111280  Posted by Chris Ewald on May 13, 1999 at 14:26:18:

In Reply to: Re: No-mar Pliers posted by Al Sattler on May 13, 1999 at 09:28:03:

Thanks Al. Your suggestion proved to be most helpful. While I didn't have immediate access to the magazines you suggested I still made quick use of your information. A long shot (www.jensentools.com) immediately turned up their web page with on-line ordering capabilities. Who-da thought it would be that simple. But, alas, their pliers only adjust down to .75 in. which isn't quite small enough. At $25 a pair (and I need two) I can't experiment. But their they were and the same brand that supplies the U.S. Army. Moral of the story: You feel like you are wasting a lot of time on the web but think how many hours/days and tanks of gas, and/or phone calls you could waste searching for something in your car. Thanks again.

P.S. They even had safety wire pliers. Man, those brought back memories.

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Re: Is anyone else finding this web page running slow? nt

Msg. 111279  Posted by The Airgun Letter on May 13, 1999 at 14:24:33:

In Reply to: Is anyone else finding this web page running slow? nt posted by Johnny O. on May 12, 1999 at 21:41:24:

You may have experienced a slow down due to some maintenance my ISP was doing on this site. They've been working on something for us, and when I checked my e-mail this a.m. they said they'd updated the Airgun Forum with the changes on May 12. I believe they actually had to halt some of the forum's activities for a few seconds, and that could very well have been the time period during which you were posting or downloading. I trust everything's working okay for now. If not, please feel free to e-mail me.

Edith Gaylord
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Re: air rifle for squirrels

Msg. 111278  Posted by The Airgun Letter on May 13, 1999 at 14:18:44:

In Reply to: air rfle for squirrels posted by Mike on May 12, 1999 at 21:49:29:

You wrote:
I am a novice to airguns. Are there any air rifles suitable for killing squirrels. What are some brands and models. $400.00 price range
===================
Besides the good choices given by others in this thread, there is one brand of gun they all missed. Used. You can buy a used Beeman R1 or a Beeman Kodiak/Webley Patriot for well under $400. When I asked my husband, Tom, if I was delirious for thinking you could by a used R1 for under $400, he said he saw one for $150. Even if you had to give it a tune to get it up to speed, it would still be a huge savings.

Personally, I'd recommend that you also gather information about guns outside your price range and then be on the lookout for a used one. Besides the classified ads on the Inte.null and various gun auction sites, you should seriously consider getting a subscription to Barry Abel's monthly "Airgun Ads" publication. Also, an airgun show is well worth the trip to find good used guns. In almost every case, you'll be able to either shoot the gun outside at a range or give it a test fire at close range at a pellet trap to verify that it's at least functional. The link below will take you to our Airgun Publications Web page, where you'll find contact info for "Airgun Ads."

Many airgunners realize after buying a gun that they can't shoot them all and don't have the time to enjoy all their guns. So, they pick a few favorites for whatever shooting interest they have and sell off the others. Make sure you ALWAYS establish an inspection period (3-5 days after you receive the gun), during which time you may send back the gun for any or no reason and get the purchase price returned on receipt of the ret'd gun. If you don't get an inspection period when trading through the mail, don't buy the gun. Don't worry, you'll find another one. One extra precaution is to take Polaroid photos of the box as it was received, the gun's packing (this helps if it was packed poorly) when it was initially opened, and the gun and all its accoutrements after unpacking. We started doing this when we started receiving expensive 10-meter rifles from dealers who expected to get them back in the same condition that they were sent. We now continue to do this when we buy high-ticket used guns that we're not sure we're going to keep if they don't measure up to the description we got from the seller.

Edith Gaylord
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Re: Has anyone heard of recent Canadian Border trouble?

Msg. 111277  Posted by Conrad (SJ CA) on May 13, 1999 at 14:15:42:

In Reply to: Has anyone heard of recent Canadian Border trouble? posted by Fearon Steele on May 12, 1999 at 20:45:56:

What are the rules for Americans passing through
to Alaska ?
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Re: Accuracy Problem with New IZH-46

Msg. 111276  Posted by Streak Freak on May 13, 1999 at 14:08:40:

In Reply to: Re: Accuracy Problem with New IZH-46 posted by BC on May 13, 1999 at 10:35:28:

Thanks, Bob. I'll check both sights snd shoot more groups to see whether the flyers are usually the same numbers in the string and/or land in the same places. And I'll re-check the breech--I've been closing it gently

Streak



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Re: Who makes scope rings to fit BSA 14mm rail? [nt]

Msg. 111275  Posted by KEN. on May 13, 1999 at 14:01:59:

In Reply to: Who makes scope rings to fit BSA 14mm rail? [nt] posted by Burris on May 13, 1999 at 12:29:27:

Hello Burris............Try BSquare that where I got mine.
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Re: Anschutz 335

Msg. 111274  Posted by John Studt on May 13, 1999 at 14:01:37:

In Reply to: Re: Anschutz 335 posted by LOU V.K. on May 13, 1999 at 13:54:12:

Lou,
Thanks for the information.

John
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Re: Semi-automatic Rifle Airguns ? nt

Msg. 111273  Posted by Conrad (SJ CA) on May 13, 1999 at 13:58:54:

In Reply to: Semi-automatic Airguns ? posted by Conrad (SJ CA) on May 13, 1999 at 13:24:12:


nt
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Re: Exotic gasses!

Msg. 111271  Posted by John Piper on May 13, 1999 at 13:58:23:

In Reply to: Exotic gasses! posted by max on May 12, 1999 at 22:10:31:

The lower viscosity of Helium allows more of it to escape through the valve before it closes. Different gasses also have different compressibility functions (how much energy it takes to squeeze a gas from one volume to another). I tested a 0.25 caliber Career 707 carbine and got about 50% increase in power when using Helium instead of air (at max power setting, 64fpe on air and 100fpe on Helium). There's more info on Delphi's Anything Goes site under the DIY Info Exchange category, posted a few months ago.
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Re: Semi-automatic Airguns - Rifle or Pistol? n/t

Msg. 111270  Posted by W. Edwards on May 13, 1999 at 13:54:32:

In Reply to: Semi-automatic Airguns ? posted by Conrad (SJ CA) on May 13, 1999 at 13:24:12:

n/t
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Re: Anschutz 335

Msg. 111269  Posted by LOU V.K. on May 13, 1999 at 13:54:12:

In Reply to: Anschutz 335 posted by John Studt on May 13, 1999 at 13:30:36:

I thought of you when I saw the advert on Brads classified's . The 335 is a pretty decent air rifle,but,because of it's low swept volume,is about a 700 fps unit,shooting Ely Wasp or equivalant ammo. If I wasn't already overloaded with projects,and guns,( yes,it is possible to have too many ),I would have grabbed that one.The lack of the bedding lugs is easily cured,as thay were just simple weldments onto the body tube.
The 335 was the best of the trio of German spring piston rifles imported by Crosman several years ago. It was not the most powerful,as the 6100 ( DIANAWERKS 45 ) was more powerful,but,the 6500 ( Anschutz 335 ) was by far better. Most of them had a barrel locking latch,which was a real treat for keeping the barrel in alignment from shot to shot. The trigger was very decent,for a sporter,and,the barrel was one of the best ever.

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Re: HW55 Trigger Problem

Msg. 111268  Posted by Will on May 13, 1999 at 13:39:26:

In Reply to: Re: HW55 Trigger Problem posted by LOU V.K. on May 13, 1999 at 11:26:25:

The deep screw forward of the trigger on my HW55T is slotted so it probably is a replacement. It is quite snug as well. The trigger pull adjusment screw behind the trigger is slotted and threaded into a knurled sleve that jams against a the mount the iner screw passes through. The spring on the nose of that adjustment screw which apparently provides variable trigger resistance became dislodged when the jam sleeve loosend from shooting and allowed the inner screw to back out and free the coil spring. Grease inside the mechanism held the loose spring so it looked as though it were still in position until examined closely. Thanks much for your input. The trigger block is now mostly dry and is working just fine.
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Re: COLORADO SPRINGS CLUB?

Msg. 111267  Posted by Michael Napier on May 13, 1999 at 13:31:14:

In Reply to: COLORADO SPRINGS CLUB? posted by JOHN S. on May 12, 1999 at 19:15:05:

Yeah, I have some interest in such a club.
I did join the local 10 meter club that meets at
the olympic training center, but I would like to
try FT.

The 10 meter club requires membership in USA Shooting
plus their own dues. The range is outstanding
with 10 meter rifle and pistol air gun stations,
running target plus 22 rimfire ranges.

You can pick up USA shooting applications at the
olympic training center and 10 meter club application
at Neal Johnson's gun shop.

Total cost for both was $50.00

I am surprised how little interest in competition
shooting that I have seen here in the Springs,
what with the Olympic shooting center and
Neal Johnson's outstanding gun shop here in town.



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Anschutz 335

Msg. 111266  Posted by John Studt on May 13, 1999 at 13:30:36:

Can anyone give me some information or opinion on this rifle?

Thanks,

John Studt
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Full auto Power

Msg. 111265  Posted by Whitewolf on May 13, 1999 at 13:24:29:

In Reply to: Re: Air rifle for hunting posted by Andrew Leung on May 13, 1999 at 03:14:59:

Andrew isn't that nothing more than a rebarreled paintball gun???

Been thinking of doing one just for the fun of total destruction of wooden sihlts. Hmmmmmm

Whitewolf
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Semi-automatic Airguns ?

Msg. 111264  Posted by Conrad (SJ CA) on May 13, 1999 at 13:24:12:

Why dont companys make semi-automatic guns ?

I would like to take multiple shots at a target
and only have to pull the trigger.
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Re: Tuning an HW-45

Msg. 111263  Posted by The Airgun Letter on May 13, 1999 at 13:20:24:

In Reply to: Tuning an HW-45 posted by Phil on May 12, 1999 at 22:14:22:

We wrote a series of articles about the P1, including several on tunes/refinements to the stock gun. The back issues for the P1 are:

Jan. 96
Apr. 96
Aug. 96
Nov. 96

They're $2.00 each in the US, including shipping. All back issues are available. The link below will take you to our page regarding how to order back issues.

Edith Gaylord
The Airgun Letter
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Re: WEBSITES

Msg. 111262  Posted by The Airgun Letter on May 13, 1999 at 13:11:00:

In Reply to: WEBSITES posted by Adam on May 12, 1999 at 23:36:39:

You wrote:
any one know any URL addrsses that I can find/order an Axsor pump
====================
Go to the link below. It will take you to the Airgun Resources Web page for The Airgun Letter. You will be stunned by the vast array of airgun businesses listed there. Many places sell the Axsor pump - either bundled with a gun (most likely the Career 707) or by itself. Make sure the pump you get has a scuba head attached to it so you can fill it with the same adapter you use to fill your guns from a scuba tank.

To find the dealers who sell Axsor pumps, use your Web browser's "search" capability to look for the word Axsor. You'll find a plethora of dealers eager and willing to sell you the Swedish Axsor hand pump.

Edith Gaylord
The Airgun Letter
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Re: Accuracy Problem with New IZH-46

Msg. 111261  Posted by Mako on May 13, 1999 at 13:09:35:

In Reply to: Re: Accuracy Problem with New IZH-46 posted by BC on May 13, 1999 at 10:35:28:

Many IZH46's come with crooked front sights. The dimple drilled into the bottom of the barrel is often offset. I simply moved the sight forward of the dimple and it holds fine with the screw just against the barrel. My shooting all of a sudden became eratic a few days ago. The screw holding the front blade had loosened itself. Got to loctite that one.

My grips rock a little also. One could probaby tighted it by adding a bit of tape between the grips and the metal mount. I was told by our local hot shot silhouette shooter, who owns three IZH's, that the rocking doesn't effect accuracy ...

my IZH arrived with one of the action seals torn.
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Re: How to stay abreast of Canadian gun issues

Msg. 111260  Posted by Whitewolf on May 13, 1999 at 13:07:25:

In Reply to: How to stay abreast of Canadian gun issues posted by Dave K on May 13, 1999 at 12:03:27:

Sorry Dave I'm not able to connect to that link Just comes up at as a 404 error.

Later Whitewolf
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Re: Giving replies without firsthand knowledge

Msg. 111259  Posted by The Airgun Letter on May 13, 1999 at 12:53:17:

In Reply to: Re: Giving replies without firsthand knowledge posted by wved on May 13, 1999 at 07:47:02:

You wrote:
I could post that the best way to clean a barrel is to use a felt pellet
soaked with WD40, and the only way a newby will know differently is if someone tells them. It
doesn't matter if the info was sincere or not, it needed correction. Has AGL become so
"politically correct" that when someone reads a bogus post (deliberately or sincerely), they're
afraid to challenge for fear of starting a spitting match.
======================
If you did recommend using WD40 for barrel cleaning, you'd most certainly hear lots of opposing viewpoints and a good number of people would post that you were in wrong and ever causing permanent damage to your gun.

I don't care if someone agrees or disagrees. But if you DO disagree, do it without ripping off the guy's head and spitting down his throat.

Edith Gaylord
The Airgun Letter
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Re: Giving replies without firsthand knowledge

Msg. 111258  Posted by DaveC on May 13, 1999 at 12:48:39:

In Reply to: Re: Giving replies without firsthand knowledge posted by wved on May 13, 1999 at 07:47:02:


Whatever happened to taking advice with a grain of salt? If you ask for someone's opinion that if what you are going to get. There are no sheep here. No need to knock the AGL forum because you are pro Delphi.
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Paul Watts Muzzle Weight

Msg. 111257  Posted by Rick McAllister on May 13, 1999 at 12:48:31:


Several weeks ago I purchase an AccuBrake Muzzle Weight (AMW) from Paul Watts for my .22 BSA Super Sport. This was one of his earlier designs and was ported. After a few follow up phone conversations, Paul didn�t think the fit was what it should be and offered to substitute the AMW I had with one of his newer designs. I considered his offer for about 2 nana seconds and boxed mine up and sent it back. Well I just received my new one this week. And again, like its predecessor, this AMW is awesome. Of course, quality is what you would expect from Paul Watts. Six inches long, non-ported and of considerable heft (I haven�t weighed it yet) it is very welcome on the end on my barrel. The overall feel and balanced of the SS changed considerably and for the better. And while it is not a moderator, it seems to have reduced report noise slightly. If anyone is thinking about a muzzle break/weight, you should take a look at what Paul has before you buy.

Rick McAllister
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Re: Bore off center at breach,will this cause accuracy problems?

Msg. 111256  Posted by John L on May 13, 1999 at 12:39:31:

In Reply to: Bore off center at breach,will this cause accuracy problems? posted by Ron on May 12, 1999 at 17:37:00:

Ron: While asking Allen Zasadny about some modifications for my Career,he mentioned that extra care was required in lining up barrel attachments on Careers because of off center bores. You might ask him about it. He's listed in the airgun resources.
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Who makes scope rings to fit BSA 14mm rail? [nt]

Msg. 111255  Posted by Burris on May 13, 1999 at 12:29:27:

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Beeman ERMA ELG10

Msg. 111254  Posted by ephraim on May 13, 1999 at 12:28:58:

I recently talked to Dr Beemen himself --he states
that only less than 25 were ever came to the us and
that the factory had burnt down. Thus very few example
exists even in europe. Does anyone have any more information about the
history of this gun?
Have you guys ever seen one?

Thanks
Ephraim
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Joe, can you spell " Sacred Cows " ? :^) [nt]

Msg. 111253  Posted by BURRIS on May 13, 1999 at 12:20:46:

In Reply to: Re: Double-talk? posted by jb/ohio on May 11, 1999 at 23:33:43:

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Looking R1 carbine barrel? 22cal. or will trade 177barrel for it .Yhanks WILLY

Msg. 111252  Posted by Willy on May 13, 1999 at 12:10:48:

OR call me at pst 1 707 839 0591Willy
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Re: Help, TX200 Owners

Msg. 111251  Posted by Jerry Rhodes on May 13, 1999 at 12:08:55:

In Reply to: Help, TX200 Owners posted by Ron on May 13, 1999 at 11:23:42:

Ron,

Use premiers. Mine shoots very well with 7.9's. Buy them by the "case". Or at least 5,000 at a time. That way you shouldn't run out in the middle of the night.

As to cleaning. Do it seldom or never. If you do it I recommend the "crown saver" like Tim at MAC-1 and others sell. Beats anything you can make yourself and is simple and compact.

Jerr

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Re: IZH61 Rifle - sold in Canada?

Msg. 111250  Posted by W. Edwards on May 13, 1999 at 12:07:21:

In Reply to: Re: IZH61 Rifle - sold in Canada? posted by ERIC on May 11, 1999 at 21:05:08:

But the problem in buying from our neighbour to the
south seems to be unpredictable enforcement of
regulations at the border.
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Re: www.freeyellow/members6/goldentoller....(nt)

Msg. 111249  Posted by W. Edwards on May 13, 1999 at 12:04:22:

In Reply to: www.freeyellow/members6/goldentoller....(nt) posted by Steve B. on May 12, 1999 at 15:31:04:

I tried the website but the links on the first page
seemed to be set up wrong when viewed with my browser.
Has anyone else noticed this?

BTW if you set up a webpage be sure to set up
an e-mail link on the page so that you can be
notified of problems asap.
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How to stay abreast of Canadian gun issues

Msg. 111248  Posted by Dave K on May 13, 1999 at 12:03:27:

My fellow Canucks,

2 places that are worthwhile to visit are:

The National Firearms Association web site at:

http://www.nfa.ca

and

It is a very good idea to subscribe to the FREE e-mail based Canadian Firearms Digest. Comes out several times a week with posts and information.
There is an on line form to subscribe to this e-mail service.

http://teapot.usask.ca/cdn-firearms/HTML/mail-lists.html


Dave K.
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Re: Daisy, (Gamo) 126 variant n/t

Msg. 111247  Posted by W. Edwards on May 13, 1999 at 12:01:23:

In Reply to: Daisey, ( Gamo ) 126 variant posted by LOU V.K. on May 12, 1999 at 16:45:52:

n/t
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Re: smoke coming from the barrel

Msg. 111246  Posted by Rich on May 13, 1999 at 12:00:14:

In Reply to: smoke coming from the barrel posted by rob on May 13, 1999 at 11:40:16:

Sounds like its just New... What kind of lub did you put in the barrel? Don't use anything that you might use in a firearm. Don't fire the rifle without a pellet. After 20-30 rounds everything should clear up.
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Re: Help, TX200 Owners

Msg. 111245  Posted by TJW on May 13, 1999 at 11:58:47:

In Reply to: Help, TX200 Owners posted by Ron on May 13, 1999 at 11:23:42:

I empathize, your are the same questions most new airgunners ask, including me six months ago. You'll probably get a lot of good advice from some of the old hats (I say that with great reverence) but I'll tell you what I can.

1) Pellets. You can't go wrong with CPs, I just started shooting outside (it snowed in Cheyenne on Monday) and I was hitting a 11/2" spinner w/CP lights. I made not elevation adjustments between 10 and 35m, and I was hitting consistently at 40m with just a slight holdover. CPs are just about the same cost as those available at the "Mart" and I find they're of much more consistent quality. Besides, an extra � cent per pellet shouldn't be much of a consideration with a $500+ air rifle. I've got a lot of other pellets to try, but I'll always have a box of CPs, heavies and lights, on hand. MAC-1 has good sale going on though the 15th, he'll pay � the shipping of $50 and all on $100 worth of pellets.

2) Cleaning. Your barrel is the main your TX is so accurate, take care of it. I have followed the advice of other on this forum (txs RB and ld) and I only clean the barrel when I know my groups are opening-up (and I'm sure I'm not the problem). I've got about 1200 rounds though it and I think I've cleaned it twice. I've been using 30 cal patches cut in half and pulling them though with a looped nylon cord. The 1st patch has a little Birchwood Casey Sheath on it and I pull dry patches though until they are clean. I've got a "Crown Saver" kit on the way from MAC-1, should speed up the process.

My son and I shoot every chance we get, and when either of us order anything, we always order a box of CPs and some other pellet to test. I get home from work and we shoot until the sun sets...it's going to be a great summer. The best (RBest) advice I've ever received is just to shoot. Have fun!

TJ


This is MAC-1's link:

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Re: SuperSport Upgrade

Msg. 111244  Posted by Jerry Rhodes on May 13, 1999 at 11:50:50:

In Reply to: SuperSport Upgrade posted by Tyler Hathaway on May 12, 1999 at 19:23:37:

Tyler,

Dave Slade is the man. I have a .22cal with the ram installed by him and his trigger job as well.

I don't know which I like better, The Trigger or the Ram. Both together are great. It has a unique sound when fired. Kind of like two flat boards being slapped together.

This "upgrade" is more in the "guilding the lily" class and is not a "must do". The BSA SS is really quite good "box stock".

Jerry

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SEEEEEEEEEEEEE EYE TOLJA SOOOOOOOOO n/t

Msg. 111243  Posted by LOU V.K. on May 13, 1999 at 11:50:26:

In Reply to: Re: Lube 1 Questions posted by BC on May 13, 1999 at 10:53:33:


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Re: Is a gopher the same as a wood chuck or marmot? nt

Msg. 111242  Posted by burbago on May 13, 1999 at 11:48:55:

In Reply to: Is a gopher the same as a wood chuck or marmot? nt posted by Alain on May 13, 1999 at 09:21:07:


A gopher is a small rat like mammal that lives underground in tunnels. They have very short tails and are almost blind. They are not chucks or marmots.
A gopher is the new guy at work whom you send out to get stuff.....He will "go for" it
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I paid $25 for the hunter/firerarm safety course here in Sask. ;NT

Msg. 111241  Posted by Dave K. on May 13, 1999 at 11:44:59:

In Reply to: It's Not Difficult It's Red Tape posted by Whitewolf on May 12, 1999 at 22:19:45:


nt
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Re: Career 707 Floating 1 step further

Msg. 111239  Posted by A-TEAM-RAY on May 13, 1999 at 11:40:49:

In Reply to: Re: Career 707 Floating 1 step further posted by Ron on May 12, 1999 at 23:27:09:

Now here are 2 guys that have taken what we have done and really gone to the extreme. Obviously they had the shifting problem so it was not just our 3 Career's that needed the cure. I like both options suggested. The short barrel on long gun gives you definite advantages as Anthony mentioned but I don't think there is enough room for a moderator. I could be wrong though as I was arguing against free floating the barrel until we had problems with ours. The long barrel on short action makes that Career look like a gun again. Neat Idea and I like that it is free floated for obvious reasons. With that setup and since the barrel is not choaked you can have any barrel length you want. Cut it short. Re-Crown it and your off and running. Really neat. Good thinking Ron.

Anthony; you will let us know how you and your Career make out at that match this weekend won't you? My long Career got 90 shots at 900 fps so I suspect yours should get 75 or more with the shorter barrel at the same velocity. Let us have the specifics when you get a chance and don't forget to charge at this match. That other one was yours till you ran out of air from what I hear.

Ray from ~ The �A� Team
(914-896-9792)
A-TEAM-RAY == > ateamray@null.null

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smoke coming from the barrel

Msg. 111238  Posted by rob on May 13, 1999 at 11:40:16:

I just received my first airgun yesterday. It's a Gamo Hunter 880. After cleaning out the barrel, I fired a couple of cleaning pellets, I heard a sound like a firecracker, and smoke came out from the barrel. I didn't think much of this at first and the smoke was no longer detectable after a couple more pellets were fired. What concerned me was the fact that after the rifle had sat in the closet for about twelve hours and a pellet was fired, smoke was detected again. Can this damage an airgun? How can it be fixed? Sorry, I'm fairly new to airgunning. Any comments would be appreciated.

Thanks.
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Re: Dave Slade @ Airgunwerks will fix your gun

Msg. 111237  Posted by Jim on May 13, 1999 at 11:34:06:

In Reply to: Dave Slade @ Airgunwerks will fix your gun posted by The Airgun Letter on May 13, 1999 at 08:36:56:


Please let me correct a few of the misunderstandings.

First the PE in question did come from John Way as he was the distributor. He has fixed every Pro Target he has sold as AA dumped untested guns on him and refused any obligation, he did a great job with them. Ask JC Brown.

Any AA guns sold from me will be warranted and fixed FOC.

The guy that complained about his PE, did get a brand new walnut PE. AA stopped making Walnut stocks and refused any warranty as they claim the gun was abused. After months of BS, John took the money out of his own pocket and gave him a new rifle with his personal deluxe walnut stock. Another AA blunder.

In closing AA never has paid anyone for warranty service period. Mr Slade and Rada will not be paid as well. Somebody's got to charge someone. Trust me!
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Re: Air rifle for hunting

Msg. 111236  Posted by Andrew Leung on May 13, 1999 at 11:31:02:

In Reply to: Re: Air rifle for hunting posted by Mark Lemm on May 13, 1999 at 02:44:32:

not to be picky, but have you shot at group with a gas rammed R-1 at 50 yards?

I didn't recall shooting on average, less than an inch at that distance with my .22 R-1.

Just posted not too recently my typical 50 yd groups using the Career, it covers a dime.

The R-1 requires alot of technique that might be difficult on a hunting situation to shoot accurately...

I figured if Meck wants a 'price no object' airgun, might as well get something really exotic...like really custom made stuff...like an over and under drilling combo air shotgun and air rifle that is adjustable in power from 4 ft-lbs to 100 ft-lbs! (non-existant....yet) and shoot 1" groups at 100 yds. Maybe Gary Barnes?
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Re: choices......

Msg. 111235  Posted by LOU V.K. on May 13, 1999 at 11:30:57:

In Reply to: choices...... posted by Alain on May 13, 1999 at 09:38:56:


Finally growing up?
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Re: HW55 Trigger Problem

Msg. 111234  Posted by LOU V.K. on May 13, 1999 at 11:26:25:

In Reply to: Re: HW55 Trigger Problem posted by Will on May 13, 1999 at 10:31:18:


Most of the people advising that the trigger be lubed with some super slippery,extra special,exclusively imported,ultra fine quality,specially formulated grease,goo,emoliant,unguent,or oil have something to sell,either the slimy stuff or some new parts. If anything,trigger mechanisms should only be VERY LIGHTLY lubed at pivot points * O N L Y *,and not on any sear surfaces. Coil springs in triggers obviously need no lubrication. There will be enough spring lube hauled into the internals of a Rekord trigger by the cocking stem of the piston to cause problems as is.
You state that the screw in front of the trigger blade is slotted. Other than as a replacement,I have never seen a slotted screw in this location. They have all been socket head screws. The large aluminum screw which is *behind* the trigger blade is always a slotted screw,and,on the match models as found on the 55,are knurles on the outer surface to facilitate no tool needed adjustments.This screw sometimes has a spring loaded sleeve over it to hold the adjustment from slipping.
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Help, TX200 Owners

Msg. 111233  Posted by Ron on May 13, 1999 at 11:23:42:

I just bought a TX200 MK5, .177 from J.M. Many posts indicate Crosman Premiers as best pellet to use in the TX200. What other types and brands have any of you used that work well? Crosman, I think, makes the Copperhead brand, including a domed pellet. Is this a cheaper version of the CP's? Also, what success have any of you had with HN pellets? As for cleaning the barrel, what's the best gear? I've heard metal rods are not good for the barrel. Most kits I've seen have metal rods. Many talk about pull throughs. Where I come from, people think airguns are something you fastened lug nuts to car wheels. So I need some help on finding good sources for pellets and other accessories.
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Re: Which caliber is best for hunting?

Msg. 111232  Posted by Robert Hamilton on May 13, 1999 at 11:14:29:

In Reply to: Which caliber is best for hunting? posted by Tony on May 13, 1999 at 05:27:48:

Hi Tony:
Best caliber for airarm hunting? Well, you are getting a RWS48. That is a very powerful airarm and has the power to push a .22 pell at 800+ fps. .22 would be a good choice. Were you getting a TX200, say, then .177 would be the better choice as it's efficient in .177 but less so in .22 (and lacks the power to push a .22 pell at the higher speeds). When choosing caliber, we must look at the airarm in mind. R1's, RWS48/52/54's, ProElites and most PCP's have the power power to make .22 practical. R9's, TX's and the lighter, moderate power springers are better with .177....assuming one would rather have an airarm pushing a .177 pell out at 800 fps than a .22 pell at 600 fps.
Next consider cost: .177 pells are about half the cost of .22 pells. Then consider range: here in Calif, hunting ground squirrels, it is hard to get close so I stay with .177 in my R1 to get the flatter trajectory to increase my user accuracy. If I were back East, hunting in the dense hardwood forests, I might well choose .22 cal as the expected ranges would be shorter.
Next, consider the quarry: I'd be inclined towards .22 cal for bigger game like woodchucks at close range. .177 would be fine for squirrels at longer ranges.
All my airarms are .177 as the pells are cheaper and I pretty much only hunt the smaller stuff (ground squirrels, crows, starlings, rats when I can find them, Eng. Sparrows) anyway.
Lastly, as I hunt with Tom Jue, who likes .22 cal, we have found that accurate pell placement matters a lot more than caliber size. A good hit with .22 or .177 drops them. A poor hit, whether .22 or .177, does not. This means that a milder airarm may be more accurate in your own hands than a "magnum" power airarm. In a springer, the price of power is more recoil. Expect to have your RWS48 break mainsprings regularly....if you will accept a bit less than stock power, get a Jim Maccari tune kit...make the spring last much, much longer and firing characteristics will become more mild and pleasant. But if you are really after a flat trajectory, then get the 'detune' of a Maccari kit and go with .177. A looping trajectory is not easy to hit with.
Robert Hamilton
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Tapered/Segmented Bands

Msg. 111231  Posted by Marty Jones on May 13, 1999 at 11:06:14:

In Reply to: Re: Slingshot question posted by B.W. on May 13, 1999 at 09:21:46:

I was never a member of the American Catapultry
Association, but I too have several old copies
of their newsletter. I made an acquaintance
over the "Weapons" list server who's into
braiding hand slings, and he had some old copies
from the '70s.

I believe the guy you're thinking of is Rodney
Wolf, who indeed did have a patent on the tapered
and segmented/tapered elastic. Such an arrangement
was proven capable of higher velocities, the
principle being that the thicker bands accelerate
the smaller ones' attachment point, and the
smaller ones accelerate the ammunition. Sort
of like a booster on a multi-stage rocket. The
penalty, of course, is that the smaller bands
require a smaller "payload". All of Wolf's
results I have seen dealt with achieving
high velocities with relatively light ammo. Very
flat-shooting, but lower "muzzle" energy and
fairly low efficiencies.

"Real" 84/64 bands are hard to come by nowadays.
Most rubber compounds seem optimized for office,
rather than field, use.

As this discussion has deviated totally away
from the forum charter, it would probably be
more appropriate to continue it on the "weapons"
list-server. To subscribe, go to the attached
URL and follow the instructions.

best regards,

Marty Jones

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www.natchezss.com NT

Msg. 111230  Posted by Rick O on May 13, 1999 at 11:06:12:

In Reply to: Jerry i can't find a ....... posted by Tyler Hathaway on May 13, 1999 at 10:54:58:


x
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Re: Accuracy Problem with New IZH-46

Msg. 111229  Posted by i had a problem like on May 13, 1999 at 11:02:51:

In Reply to: Accuracy Problem with New IZH-46 posted by Streak Freak on May 13, 1999 at 09:51:43:


they could not repaer myne either wiated a while got a good one about 4 weeks itsok
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Jerry i can't find a .......

Msg. 111228  Posted by Tyler Hathaway on May 13, 1999 at 10:54:58:

In Reply to: Time flies when you are having fun. Peep Sight FAQ. posted by Jerry Rhodes on May 13, 1999 at 10:23:52:

....Web site That has what im looking for could you please help me out. and thanks again
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Re: Lube 1 Questions

Msg. 111227  Posted by BC on May 13, 1999 at 10:53:33:

In Reply to: Re: Lube 1 Questions posted by A-TEAM-RAY on May 13, 1999 at 09:38:56:

Hi Ray,
Been using 1Lube for a while but acquired the non aerosol kind from Walmart. The aerosol's usually have a fast evaporating solvent which shouldn't affect the seal if you let it sit for a bit. FP10 DID SOFTEN THE SEALS on my Ace Target, but 1Lube does not. The lubricating qualities are pretty good also and leading has not been a problem in any of my match guns since using it.
Bob

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Me Too !!!!

Msg. 111226  Posted by Marty Jones on May 13, 1999 at 10:46:01:

In Reply to: Re: check the 2nd e-mail. Thanks! posted by Steve H. on May 13, 1999 at 10:28:03:

I have a 52, and while I'm currently satisfied
with the trigger I'd like to archive your
information on adjusting it.

best regards,

Marty Jones
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Thanks Jerry (nt}

Msg. 111225  Posted by Tyler Hathaway on May 13, 1999 at 10:36:31:

In Reply to: Time flies when you are having fun. Peep Sight FAQ. posted by Jerry Rhodes on May 13, 1999 at 10:23:52:

nt
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Re: Accuracy Problem with New IZH-46

Msg. 111224  Posted by BC on May 13, 1999 at 10:35:28:

In Reply to: Accuracy Problem with New IZH-46 posted by Streak Freak on May 13, 1999 at 09:51:43:

I've seen 3 IZH's with loose front sights. It isn't that obvious and they shift some, depending on how loose. None I've heard of or shot were inaccurate by match pistol standards. Might check rear sights also for side play. Are the main group and fliers pretty much in the same place? Also, one pistol a friend had would leak air if you tried to slowly close the breech. It is the only one I've seen like that, but would be worth checking.
Bob

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Re: ft. lbs of .22 LR rimfire?

Msg. 111223  Posted by Greggg on May 13, 1999 at 10:31:23:

In Reply to: Re: ft. lbs of .22 LR rimfire? posted by RBest on May 11, 1999 at 18:18:36:

I figured I could answer and earlier question as well as respond to Russ right here. Standard HV .22 Short is a 29 grain bullet going 1132 fps. That works out to a muzzle energy of 82.5 foot pounds. So an amazingly "tweaked" Career can basically equal a 22 Short. That is amazing performance from something you fill with air but it should also be a reality check for those intrepid wannabe "hunters" on the list who insist on trying to shoot larger animals. Just because there is a slim possiblity something can work doesn't mean it should be attempted. A true hunter has a responsibility to that which he hunts.
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Re: HW55 Trigger Problem

Msg. 111222  Posted by Will on May 13, 1999 at 10:31:18:

In Reply to: Re: HW55 Trigger Problem posted by LOU V.K. on May 13, 1999 at 08:05:16:

Thanks, the mehcanism contained a lot of grease which has been cleaned as you suggested. The coil spring tensioned by the trigger adjustment had jumped out of battery so to speak. Seems to be working now. You advise the trigger needs no lubrication and in fact it feels fine now, light, crisp etc. How is it other sources take such care to recommmend specific lubricants at various contact points. Just different strokes??

I think I'll pull the mainspring and clean and relube that mechanism as well. It's an older rifle I aquired last year. Screw in front of trigger is sloted rather than socket head in this version.
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Re: If 'steriod' rhymes with 'period', It doesn't so Tim need not worry. (nt)

Msg. 111221  Posted by Jerry Rhodes on May 13, 1999 at 10:30:00:

In Reply to: If 'steriod' rhymes with 'period', maybe Tim should rename it the 'PMS Express' (nt) posted by Don R. on May 13, 1999 at 00:23:23:


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Re: If 'steriod' rhymes with 'period', maybe Tim should rename it the 'PMS Express' (nt)

Msg. 111220  Posted by Jerry Rhodes on May 13, 1999 at 10:28:46:

In Reply to: If 'steriod' rhymes with 'period', maybe Tim should rename it the 'PMS Express' (nt) posted by Don R. on May 13, 1999 at 00:23:23:



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Re: check the 2nd e-mail. Thanks!

Msg. 111219  Posted by Steve H. on May 13, 1999 at 10:28:03:

In Reply to: Re: check the 2nd e-mail. Thanks! posted by MartinL on May 12, 1999 at 21:44:49:

I own two rws's, a 48 and 52 and have the same questions.
Could you e-mail me any help as well?
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Time flies when you are having fun. Peep Sight FAQ.

Msg. 111218  Posted by Jerry Rhodes on May 13, 1999 at 10:23:52:

I woke up this morning and saw Tyler's question on peep sights and realized that it had been some time since I had posted this info.

I arrived at this by using the "scientific method" normally used by local auto mechanics. Replace things until it the problem goes away or you learn to live with it.

Ever since I got my first BSA SS I have been looking for a nice peep sight setup. I think that I have found the ticket.

I bought these items from Natchez Shooters Supplies. They are availaible from other sources as well.

Rear peep

Williams FP-GR Part # WU9683 $41.81

Front ramp and sight (optional)

Williams "shorty ramp" Part #WU1718 $12.95

Williams Fire Sight .343N Part #WU56435 $ 9.70

TOTAL $64.46

Rugged, pleasing, adjustable and simple.

A caveat for those gun plumbers that use tire tools and Craftsman Robogrips to do all of their gun plumbing. Go ahead and use the screw that comes with the ramp. It will bugger the metric threads a bit but if you use red Loctite it will snug up just fine. If you are the type that has one screwdriver that is specific to each screw that you own then you will want to file down the head of the stock BSA screw to fit
the hole in the ramp and trim the screw to length so it won't interfere with the pellet as it exits the muzzle. Doing this won't damage the threads and you could then put the old plastic ramp back on if you could find another unaltered screw.


Jerry Rhodes

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Danke, ganz gut.

Msg. 111217  Posted by Steve Schulz on May 13, 1999 at 10:12:49:

In Reply to: Steve: vie gehts ?! posted by RBest on May 12, 1999 at 23:53:20:

Hi Russ,

I was in Africa for a while. Talk about a target-rich environment! Chicken of all sorts and sizes run freely all over the place, but I guess the owners would mind if someone shows up with an airgun. This airgun addiction made me think of it many times, though.

Steve
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Re: RWS48 Scoping: Trophy or Sportsview, Will Both Hold Up?

Msg. 111216  Posted by Rick O on May 13, 1999 at 09:52:26:

In Reply to: RWS48 Scoping: Trophy or Sportsview, Will Both Hold Up? posted by MartinL on May 13, 1999 at 08:01:15:


Bushnell doesn't recommend the Sportviews for high power airguns. The 4-12 and 6-18 Trophys are. Natchez is where the referbished Trophys were at. Rick
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Accuracy Problem with New IZH-46

Msg. 111215  Posted by Streak Freak on May 13, 1999 at 09:51:43:

My spanking new IZH-46 groups about 5/8" at 25 feet with six different pellets I've tried, both match and field. The "pattern" is quite consistent: Of five shots, three are superimposed or touching, and the other two strike elsewhere (but not together).

I'm shooting from a rock-solid supine (Creedmoor) rest and wearing an aperture on my glasses. There's no breech blow-by. The grip panels do rock slightly in my hand even though their three mounting screws are tight.

I've had domestic pistols in the $50 class that shoot at least as well. If the problem isn't the grips, what else could be wrong besides my shooting technique? I really like the IZH--except for the many sharp edges on its parts!--and would like to get mine sorted out.

Thanks for your help,

Streak
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Re: Kids today have no respect for quality German Barrels!

Msg. 111214  Posted by TerryD on May 13, 1999 at 09:46:58:

In Reply to: Kids today have no respect for quality German Barrels! posted by Fearon Steele on May 12, 1999 at 21:46:01:

Fearon, Jim Maccari can recrown and choke that barrel for you. It might even shoot better than a full lenth one.

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Re: Lube 1 Questions

Msg. 111213  Posted by A-TEAM-RAY on May 13, 1999 at 09:38:56:

In Reply to: Re: Lube 1 Questions posted by LOU V.K. on May 12, 1999 at 16:23:12:

OK. Went to Autozone and bought the only Slick 50 One Lube 12 ounce aerosol product they had. I am concerned that it is still a petroleom product and that it lists PTFE chemistry (teflon). The part number is 43712012 and it is a red can. It says it contains petroleom distillates and petroleum oils. Is this the right stuff? It seems as all the petroleum content would eat the seals and not be inert. Is there another product and I have chosen the wrong one. I have never had a problem with FP10 and am willing to upgrade but want to be certain that I have the right stuff. After all. Don't we all want to know if we have the "Right Stuff"?

Ray from ~ The �A� Team
(914-896-9792)
A-TEAM-RAY == > ateamray@null.null

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choices......

Msg. 111212  Posted by Alain on May 13, 1999 at 09:38:56:

In Reply to: Sorry, I knew I would forget something - What Caliber? .177? .20? etc. posted by jcbii on May 13, 1999 at 00:18:30:

I presently own a Kodiak .22 (with .25 barrel), a TX200 mk4 in .177, Gamo hunter .177, RWS 48 in .177, and a Pro Elite in .22.
I like them all and all have there place. There is no all around best in the bunch. When I first got into air rifles it was power, power, and more power. Then I wanted accuracy and lots of power and now it is accuracy first, power second. I even tuned my Pro Elite for more accuracy and smoother shooting (OH MY GOD THE SPEED WENT FROM 815 fps to 780!!!). A chrono can be a curse!


Alain
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Re: Career 707 Floating 1 step further

Msg. 111211  Posted by Anthony Storey on May 13, 1999 at 09:35:09:

In Reply to: Re: Career 707 Floating 1 step further posted by Ron on May 12, 1999 at 23:27:09:

Ron please let me know what your change in velocity is? I would suspect about 40 feet per second on settings below 25 ftlbs. in .22 (14.3)I don't know what caliber yours is?
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Re: Career 707 Floating 1 step further

Msg. 111210  Posted by Anthony Storey on May 13, 1999 at 09:31:09:

In Reply to: Re: Career 707 Floating 1 step further posted by v.p. on May 12, 1999 at 23:40:29:

I have been suggesting using the 707 barrel as a replacement for about 18 months now.I am sure someone has.I have an AR6 pistol that I will be using for competition that will be getting the treatment very soon.
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Re: No-mar Pliers

Msg. 111209  Posted by Al Sattler on May 13, 1999 at 09:28:03:

In Reply to: No-mar Pliers posted by Chris Ewald on May 11, 1999 at 14:30:33:

Chris, look in the back pages of Popular science .Popular Mechinecs for Jensen Tools they did carry the no-mar cannon pliers

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Re: Slingshot question

Msg. 111208  Posted by B.W. on May 13, 1999 at 09:21:46:

In Reply to: Re: Slingshot question posted by Marty Jones on May 12, 1999 at 16:27:36:

Have you ever tried the 84/64 tapered band assemblies? I remember reading about them in some old copies of "Modern Catapultery", where they claimed these gave the highest velocities with two sets per side (provided one could draw it), and provided outstanding performance with just 1 set per side as well. If I remember correctly the person who came up with this setup has a patent on it, but gives permission for individuals to use it for their own enjoyment. I've never tried this yet myself, even though I read about it almost 20 years ago. I don't know if the "Modern Catapultery" publication/club is around any more. A friend gave me several old copies, and I remember Jock Mahoney (actor who played Tarzan & Yancey Derringer) was a featured celebrity/enthusiast.
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Re: BSA Question

Msg. 111207  Posted by BW37 on May 13, 1999 at 09:21:46:

In Reply to: Re: BSA Question posted by Willy on May 12, 1999 at 23:01:52:

"That's it" what? Not sure what you are saying.I did receive
a call from PSI and they did explain how to do it. I did remove the
magazine. I will work on the loading process this weekend
when I take it out.
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Is a gopher the same as a wood chuck or marmot? nt

Msg. 111206  Posted by Alain on May 13, 1999 at 09:21:07:

In Reply to: Air rifle for hunting posted by Meck on May 13, 1999 at 01:14:29:

nt
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Power and accuracy

Msg. 111205  Posted by Alain on May 13, 1999 at 09:19:20:

In Reply to: Which caliber is best for hunting? posted by Tony on May 13, 1999 at 05:27:48:

The more power and accuracy a weapon has the "better" it is for killing something humainly. I know some one will flame and say 'if you can't hit it it does not matter how much power you have' and I agree. Except for nuclear thermal devices, you have to hit it to kill it....BUT it has to do enough damage to kill it humainly. I shoot rats and I find a lot more dead ones with my Kodiak .25 than with my RWS .177 because they do not crawl away as much with my .25. Both are great rat guns and dead is dead but they die faster with bigger holes in them. I know some flamer will say 'a head shot does not crawl away' but a lung shot with a hollow tip .25 takes out all the lungs, heart and almost blows it in two in the .25 were the .177 hollow tip takes out part of a lung.
That being said.....the .25 pellets are expensive and hard to find locally. You get almost twice the number of pellets for the .177 for the same price as for the .22. The .177 shoots flatter and has good range as well. Whatever turns your crank!


Alain
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Either and neither.................

Msg. 111204  Posted by Jerry Rhodes on May 13, 1999 at 09:10:02:

In Reply to: Aperture sight for BSA SS posted by Tyler Hathaway on May 13, 1999 at 02:16:40:

Tyler,

The "Beeman" peep sight is the Williams FP-AG". It comes in two styles. Even though I like knobs on my air heads I prefer no knobs on my airgun sights. You need a screwdriver to adjust the knobbies as well as the knobless, so save the money and buy the knobless.

The Beeman (FP-AG) is a wee bit tall and doesn't adjust low enough for your average BSA SS without adjusting UP the front sight. This annoys me because it moves the front sight out of the center of the hood.

The ideal solution is the Williams FP-GR (with or without knobs) that is able to adjust down another 1/8" or so. It is easier to mount and remove because it does not have to be disassembled each time. The pinch screw on the gib that grips the scope rail is accessable.

I really like the peep over scopes for the plinking and hunting I do. Simple, inexpensive, durable, weather proof and above all, elegant.

Jerry
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Re: Western Mass FT Match this Sunday - 5/16

Msg. 111203  Posted by Bill B. on May 13, 1999 at 08:45:59:

In Reply to: Re: Western Mass FT Match this Sunday - 5/16 posted by Steve Parker on May 13, 1999 at 01:13:28:

Three Stooges is more like it.

B.
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Re: SSP250 could be a rifle with the CR rifle stock for it(nt)

Msg. 111202  Posted by TM on May 13, 1999 at 08:39:46:

In Reply to: Sorry I should've read a little closer that your looking for a rifle. posted by Whitewolf on May 12, 1999 at 23:28:31:


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Dave Slade @ Airgunwerks will fix your gun

Msg. 111201  Posted by The Airgun Letter on May 13, 1999 at 08:36:56:

In Reply to: Re: Open mouth--- change feet. An apology. posted by jason on May 13, 1999 at 00:18:49:

You wrote:
My PE was purchased from Jim Benson,(Bensons' Airguns) Edgwood Wa. Jim Benson,
referred us to Jim Mcari, My Dad spoke with Jim Mcari who said to mail the gun to John Way
(Private Eye Sports) for warranty work
===================
John Way is the importer. As far as I know, he does no work whatsoever on the guns - nor does he have anyone doing it for him. John is an ophthalmic surgeon, if memory serves, and imports the Air Arms line as a sideline hobby. If John and Air Arms are under the impression that Jim Maccari is doing warranty work for their guns, then someone needs to inform them otherwise, as Jim's stated it more than once that this is not the case.

I do recall one person on this forum who mentioned sending his gun back to John for some sort of warranty problem - and as I remember, he posted 8 months after returning his gun that he's never gotten the gun or his money back.

At this time, Dave Slade at Airgunwerks will be more than happy to do the work for you. And as stated in our May newsletter, where we mention that Rada Plesinger's European Air Pistols will be an importer of Air Arms guns, Rada and his partner will also become a warranty/service center for Air Arms guns sometime in the future.

If all you want is to have your gun fixed, then I can assure you that Dave Slade will not only put it back into perfect condition, but he'll do it quickly and reliably. I have had no complaints from anyone who's used Dave's services. We have not used Dave personally for any gun repairs (but that will be rectified in the near future). I base my recommendation on those who have used him and have sent back high praise for his work and how he conducts his business. Write Dave at airgunwerk@null.null

Edith Gaylord
The Airgun Letter
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Re: Which caliber is best for hunting?

Msg. 111200  Posted by Johnny O. on May 13, 1999 at 08:13:43:

In Reply to: Which caliber is best for hunting? posted by Tony on May 13, 1999 at 05:27:48:

Tony, if you have 20 years of "successful" experience with a .20 cal, don't feel like you need to fix something that isn't broke. Everyone will have their own opinion and favorite cal, but there is no better teacher than experience. If I won all my races with a 396 Chevelle, why should I buy a 383 mopar just because someone said it was faster???? Know what I mean? Good luck and enjoy the gun/cal of your choice. Besides, you'll probably end up buying a .22,.20 and .177 eventually.....
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How about foot pound specs for a .22 short ???

Msg. 111199  Posted by Pel-It on May 13, 1999 at 08:12:17:

In Reply to: ft. lbs of .22 LR rimfire? posted by Clint on May 11, 1999 at 09:03:25:

Magnum air guns in big calibers seem to shoot those heavy pellets quite well. Are they closing the gap with .22 shorts???
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IMO

Msg. 111197  Posted by H. Todd on May 13, 1999 at 08:06:36:

In Reply to: Re: TX200, R9 and FT posted by Jerry Rhodes on May 13, 1999 at 00:33:52:

I agree with Jery on the 240. I got one long ago with others such as the Gamo compact, P 1, P 2, etc. Don't waste your time or money. Bottom line entry for a pistol is a FWB 65. There are two for sale now on Brad's page for 400. I would not consider the R-9 for FT. It is a good rifle but I got mine as an entry level rifle to train kids. The TX is more what I'd recommend for FT. Russ et. al. are correct that it is a little too heavy for hunting. Do not buy new! Lots of used TX's come up for sale. Anthony Storey has one for sale that I almost bought because his price astounded me. Less than 400 for rifle and scope! I have paid as much as 750 for a tricked out rifle without scope! So buy used! Watch Brad's page and get references for the seller. Now for my opinion, forget the springers and buy a good used Daystate Huntsman.

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Re: HW55 Trigger Problem

Msg. 111196  Posted by LOU V.K. on May 13, 1999 at 08:05:16:

In Reply to: HW55 Trigger Problem posted by Will on May 13, 1999 at 00:54:34:


The two major things that come to mind in a situation like this with a Record trigger are,dirt and excess lubricating grease carried by the cocking stem of the piston from the main spring,and,improper adjustment of the sear adjustment screw,( it is the little allen screw in front of the trigger,deep inside of the mechanism.
Blast the mechanism clean with an aerosol can of brake and parts cleaner and do not relube,as the trigger needs no lubrication. Turn the socket head screw clockwise to increase sear engagement.If the main spring has been heavily lubed,or,if spring damping gell has been heavily applied it will need to be cleaned as well,or this will simply re occur.
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Re: Which caliber is best for hunting?

Msg. 111195  Posted by Axel on May 13, 1999 at 08:04:12:

In Reply to: Which caliber is best for hunting? posted by Tony on May 13, 1999 at 05:27:48:

When it's hunting time, we need to chat a little about energy.
the 4.5mm (.177) RWS 48 has a maximum power of around 19 ft/lbs,
while the 5.5mm (.22) easily goes over 21 ft/lbs (dependant on the pellet type & wight)
but these are the common results obtianed with these guns,
take my word: .22 is the way to go for hunting smsall game and crows, plus the heavier pellets
gives you the long range hunting power you need...
at last, my .22 rws48+Superdomes took a 4 kg yellow fox by head shoot at about 15 meters last year,
since then I'm in love with these powerful hunters.
Axel.


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RWS48 Scoping: Trophy or Sportsview, Will Both Hold Up?

Msg. 111194  Posted by MartinL on May 13, 1999 at 08:01:15:

I got a .22 cal RWS48 and am in the process of getting a scope, mounts and rings for it. Does the Sportsview have what it takes for this beast? If not, where was the Trophy on sale(refurbished) for $119?

Any other scope suggestions $50-$120 appreciated. TIA, ml
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Re: Which caliber is best for hunting?

Msg. 111193  Posted by Jwinn on May 13, 1999 at 07:50:16:

In Reply to: Which caliber is best for hunting? posted by Tony on May 13, 1999 at 05:27:48:

Tony, Airguns are really not a GOOD choice for hunting anything bigger than a squirel. Even magnum airguns and super PCPs don't normally
approach the power of .22s (which IMHO would be about a minimum for groundhogs and foxes). Groundhogs are tough hombres sometimmes and a fox would be a headshot proprosition only. As a small dog, a fox brain can be hard to shut down without real damage to a vital part therein. My
farm animal husbandry book shows a very small
area (at the point where two lines meet from ear to ear at a 45 degree angle) as the place to humanely shot a doggie. I am clsoe to saying
what your propose is irresponsible, but I'm not
into flaming and you asked a reasonable question.
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Re: Giving replies without firsthand knowledge

Msg. 111192  Posted by wved on May 13, 1999 at 07:47:02:

In Reply to: Re: Giving replies without firsthand knowledge posted by E Fudd on May 13, 1999 at 03:59:53:

This whole thread indicates that bogus info is going out an AGL, and those who know better aren't makeing it known. I could post that the best way to clean a barrel is to use a felt pellet soaked with WD40, and the only way a newby will know differently is if someone tells them. It doesn't matter if the info was sincere or not, it needed correction. Has AGL become so "politically correct" that when someone reads a bogus post (deliberately or sincerely), they're afraid to challenge for fear of starting a spitting match.
wved
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info on Leupold 20-50X50 scope please??

Msg. 111191  Posted by jj on May 13, 1999 at 07:38:10:

Need info on Leupold 20-50X50 SF scope.
I know that it is converted from the 8.5x25.

I remember reading a post that these were fantastic and the best at rangefinding, better even that the Nightforce.

I was told that the optics were the best you can get.

Clicking cannot be beat as far as precision.

Was planning on getting the illum. mil dot put in it.

Will be using this for FT on a P70.

I guess that one negative is the close up lens??

Was wondering how close this scope can focus without the use of the close-up lens.

Since this scope will cost over $1000, I want to be sure.

Are there any other negatives??? I am sure there has got to be.

Just how bad is it to use this close-up lens??

If you are nervous about posting the negatives, feel free to send me an e-mail, address is at the top. And thanks in advance for doing so.

Thanks much,
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Re: search argument '' BAUER + compressor '' more urls

Msg. 111190  Posted by vZc on May 13, 1999 at 06:42:45:

In Reply to: search argument '' BAUER + compressor '' the url posted by vZc on May 13, 1999 at 06:37:53:

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search argument '' BAUER + compressor '' the url

Msg. 111189  Posted by vZc on May 13, 1999 at 06:37:53:

In Reply to: Re: SCUBA TANKS...compressor posted by stu on May 12, 1999 at 12:08:15:

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Re: Why spring guns only? Just curious (nt)

Msg. 111188  Posted by Mark Lisowski on May 13, 1999 at 06:30:44:

In Reply to: Why spring guns only? Just curious (nt) posted by Steve Schulz on May 12, 1999 at 23:50:56:

Steve,

This is the first match I've put on and don't
have all that much experience in FT. It was
suggested that I keep it to just springers for the
first match to work out the bugs. Also, since
this is the only FT match in The New England area,
we're not really sure how many shooters there are
and if they will show up. If there is a small
turn-out, just trying to keep the playing field
level. Also, I'm still feeling out how to
balance out the difficulty of the course.
Basically, just needed a starting point.
HTH - Mark

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Re: Scope Mount For IZH 61?

Msg. 111187  Posted by Steve B. on May 13, 1999 at 05:38:36:

In Reply to: Scope Mount For IZH 61? posted by Peter on May 12, 1999 at 14:28:07:

Peter: The smart money here may be to just bite the bullet and cut a dovetail into the front of the receiver - if you have access to a simpethetic machinist or a mill and cutter. It is unfortunate they didn't do this to begin with. Cheer up, I was going to put a laser back there and use the peep sights with the hot spot. Mounts are too short and the beam hits the top edge of the front sight - pity. I dragged a Redfield 3200 out and yes sure enough it will fit and the rings would work if mounted at the front and rear dovetails (no I'm not going to do it). You might make regular rings work if you can find a loooong scope tube.

HTH - Steve B
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Re: 2260 Mac-1 Style ... Stay tuned, there's more to come, I hope.

Msg. 112249  Posted by Harry Chu on May 17, 1999 at 07:07:54:

In Reply to: Re: 2260 Mac-1 Style ... Stay tuned, there's more to come, I hope. posted by ProfHoff on May 16, 1999 at 16:14:38:

That is exactly what I am looking for.
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Re: Tasco Scope

Msg. 112248  Posted by jj on May 17, 1999 at 06:52:24:

In Reply to: Tasco Scope posted by Len Sawyer on May 16, 1999 at 11:01:15:

I have three. Range finding is fair to good depending and optics which seem to vary from scope to scope (luck of the draw). They have target turrents, if that is what you mean by a mult. aim point system. They have a really neat side focus. They come with two lens shades.
One of the earlier models I have is 1/8 MOA, I think normally they are 1/4 MOA.
HTH
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Re: 2260 Mac-1 Style -Lookin forward to review! (NT)

Msg. 112247  Posted by MR Bulk� on May 17, 1999 at 06:34:33:

In Reply to: Re: 2260 Mac-1 Style -Lookin forward to review! (NT) posted by Jim P on May 16, 1999 at 22:50:41:

It's a-comin' -- soon's I get my gun!

MR Bulk�


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Re: 600 and Mark 1 Specs

Msg. 112246  Posted by MR Bulk� on May 17, 1999 at 06:15:42:

In Reply to: Re: 600 and Mark 1 Specs posted by jcbii on May 17, 1999 at 01:41:36:

Hi JCBII,

Click on the link below to see a stock 600 pistol.

Prices are pretty high now, and it doesn't help that they're not made any more and yet scores of people are Sixballin'em like crazy, yours truly included.

Hardly any plastic on them except the grips, and quality was way ahead of their time. Most you come across will still function as long as they're resealed and kept lubricated, and these are 30- to 40-year old guns.

As I recall Mac-1 Tim saying, the 600 is the finest true semiauto air pistol in the medium-price range. And try finding a .22 pellet autoloader anything nowadays - the 600 is about the only show in town. No wonder the prices are outrageous.

MR Bulk�



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Career 707

Msg. 112244  Posted by Peter P on May 17, 1999 at 03:55:05:

I have a Career 707 II in .22 cal, I am looking help for the best way to lower the velocity of this rifle. This is the RWS version
and at the low setting it shoots at 1000+ fps
with pellets in the 14gr-16gr range.
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Re: Lemon Pledge- Anyone use it for pellet lube in springers?

Msg. 112243  Posted by GH on May 17, 1999 at 03:44:29:

In Reply to: Re: Lemon Pledge- Anyone use it for pellet lube in springers? posted by lou on May 17, 1999 at 00:13:10:


lou,
just noted today that the Pledge cans in the store state'"does
not contain wax"...beats me what is in the stuff besides an
evaporative carrier....haven't used it either in or on my guns,thogh believe Russ
has said that he has.
GH
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Re: 760 Crosman questions

Msg. 112242  Posted by GH on May 17, 1999 at 03:35:34:

In Reply to: 760 Crosman questions posted by Bobcat on May 16, 1999 at 23:43:19:

Bob,
Have one that dates from approx.1976.My two boys shot thousnds of steel BB w/ it for years
and I thought it was worn out..When the Rifle POS started,the wife and I used it w/ pellets..bench rested
w/ 5 pumps we managed 15 to 20 on the silhouette targets.
W/ 10 pumps it averaged 480fps..about 80 below advertised...obviously needs a new piston seal.
I use it now for a scatter gun mostly..3-5BBs do a job on pesky birds,BUT at no more than 10yds.
So,yes,it's worth fiddl'n with,yes only made in BB/Pellet.
There are better guns if you want to spend $80...
used Sheridans,Benjamins are available in shooting condition for this amt. including shipping...
My small pest gun,using pellets is a Daisy 970[wood stock,was available 177&22}, which will group 1" at 15+ yds. w/ 8 pumps
producing 605fps w/ 7.5g Daisys.
HTH
GH
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Re: Anyone Use Silver Bears in .22 Pro Elite?

Msg. 112241  Posted by Jason D on May 17, 1999 at 03:31:28:

In Reply to: Anyone Use Silver Bears in .22 Pro Elite? posted by Ed Devlin on May 13, 1999 at 14:32:41:

Hello,

I used some Silver Bears last year and got good groups with them. They were the next best to the CP's. I was only sighting in at 50 feet (in door range) and my CP's ragged out a single hole with 10 shots and the Silvers ragged out a hole with a couple of strays... Also my gun put the Silver Bears upper left of my CP's. I do not know if the Silvers would be really accurate at longer ranges.

Stay away from the Crow Mag's in this gun... to heavy and I didn't get consist groups with them.

By the way would you strongly recommend the tune?

Take care.
Jason
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Re: Walther LP53, .177 cal. air pistol, used value? LNIB.

Msg. 112240  Posted by chasm on May 17, 1999 at 03:11:07:

In Reply to: Re: Walther LP53, .177 cal. air pistol, used value? LNIB. posted by DonC on May 16, 1999 at 23:40:47:

There is a photo of an LP-53 in the back of the current Playboy magazine with Sean Connery holding it. LR = Little Rock. The Airgun Ads guy out in Montana is quite knowledgeable about Walthers and might be a good person to talk to about selling one. chasm

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Beeman Trophy Pellets

Msg. 112239  Posted by Mark Lemm on May 17, 1999 at 03:11:01:

Anyone have an opinion of these pellets? Was considering getting some. TIA

-Mark
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Re: 760 Crosman questions

Msg. 112238  Posted by E Fudd on May 17, 1999 at 03:10:47:

In Reply to: 760 Crosman questions posted by Bobcat on May 16, 1999 at 23:43:19:

There are a number of wood stocked american pump guns you can get for under $120. Even less if you get them used. Benjamins and Sheridans are good for just about any birds, and you can get them new for about the price above. Old Crosmans are available at gun shows for less, but I don't think they pack enough punch to take down crows reliably. You might consider some of the Chinese springers as well, but the only one I would want would be the sm1000.
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Re: Semi-automatic Airguns ?

Msg. 112237  Posted by Conrad (SJ CA) on May 17, 1999 at 03:08:16:

In Reply to: Re: Semi-automatic Airguns ? posted by W. Edwards on May 13, 1999 at 16:18:32:

Something like a career or a BSA Super 10 ?

Would it be illegal in Europe/Korea ?
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I would be concerned that it may contain citric acid, not the best thing for your barrel. (nt)

Msg. 112236  Posted by E Fudd on May 17, 1999 at 02:54:25:

In Reply to: Lemon Pledge- Anyone use it for pellet lube in springers? posted by Eric Helfrich on May 16, 1999 at 23:09:48:


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scopes

Msg. 112234  Posted by cornel on May 17, 1999 at 02:19:00:

Does anyone know how a usual scope is build?(let say a fixed 4X20)
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Re: Airgun Targets...

Msg. 112233  Posted by Mark on May 17, 1999 at 02:15:25:

In Reply to: Airgun Targets... posted by SniperCX on May 16, 1999 at 15:10:13:

Go to you local Toys R Us and persue the "dollar" toy row and you find all kinds of great targets.

-Mark
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scopes

Msg. 112232  Posted by cornel on May 17, 1999 at 02:13:35:

Does anyone know how a scope is build?
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Re: Great time at the Westfield Sportsmans Club FT today

Msg. 112231  Posted by Mark Lemm on May 17, 1999 at 02:12:55:

In Reply to: Great time at the Westfield Sportsmans Club FT today posted by Russ Best on May 16, 1999 at 17:09:25:

Hey Russ shot FT at my club in CA today (we had seven shooters today) with the new .22 HW 77. Used just the stock iron sights and shot 28.5 (our club scores half points if you hit the target but don't knock it over for iron sight shooters only, had 19 knockdowns.) for the first time shooting the rifle.

You were right about the 77 it's a great shooter! I installed the Beeman Deluxe Sports Aperture (Williams really) when I got home tonight can't wait to shoot with it. Just thought I share my FT experience today with you from over here on the "left coast".

Happy Shooting,

Mark Lemm
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Recomendations for RWS34 scope/sight?

Msg. 112230  Posted by Paul on May 17, 1999 at 02:06:08:

I just bought a RWS 34, but I don't think I'm getting its full potential with the horrible front sight on it. I would like to put a scope/red-dot on it. The problem is, wich one?
I've gotten squirrels with my other rifle with a Webely 4X32 on it, but sometimes the squirrels are just too damn close ( I open the side door, and there they are 15 feet away) other times, there about 60- 80 feet away.
I need suggestions!!!!!!

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Re: Sheridan Air Rifle

Msg. 112229  Posted by Mark Lemm on May 17, 1999 at 02:03:27:

In Reply to: Sheridan Air Rifle posted by Mark on May 17, 1999 at 00:13:06:

Mac-1 can tune up the gun for you and even turn it into a "Steriod" model like he is doing to mine. His info is on the resources page of this site under "Mac-1".

Good luck

Mark Lemm
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Re: pellets for BSA super 10?

Msg. 112228  Posted by Jim C. on May 17, 1999 at 01:54:52:

In Reply to: Re: pellets for BSA super 10? posted by MR Bulk� on May 16, 1999 at 14:02:39:

My guess is you will own one soon.
You won't be sorry!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I know what it feels like to have the hook set.
It's now just a matter of rationalizing the $$$.
The usual BS. Maybe I'll sell this one, or unload
a couple of those extra scopes, or sell a CR 600.
Your hooked buddy!!! Go for it!.
Jim
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Re: Beeman ERMA ELG10

Msg. 112227  Posted by trevor on May 17, 1999 at 01:51:04:

In Reply to: Re: Beeman ERMA ELG10 posted by ephraim . on May 16, 1999 at 00:24:28:

Be interesting to find out who has got the highest serial number -probably some fellow in Germany or England....Surprised to hear the factory burnt,you can still buy Erma firearms here.
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Re: 600 and Mark 1 Specs

Msg. 112226  Posted by jcbii on May 17, 1999 at 01:41:36:

In Reply to: Re: 600 and Mark 1 Specs posted by MR Bulk� on May 16, 1999 at 19:34:40:

Where can you get a 600 (whats price)? Or at least look at a picture of a stock one? Don't know anything about it except for that extremely cool picture of one on your site. Is there a lot of plastic? Hows the quality?

Regards,
JCBII
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Re: Walther LP53, .177 cal. air pistol, used value? LNIB.

Msg. 112225  Posted by Ralph on May 17, 1999 at 01:36:44:

In Reply to: Re: Walther LP53, .177 cal. air pistol, used value? LNIB. posted by DonC on May 16, 1999 at 23:40:47:


It's the James Bond movie poster gun, the PPK was too small to photograph, so they used the LP53.

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Re: Who We Are?

Msg. 112224  Posted by Wile E. Coyote on May 17, 1999 at 01:32:23:

In Reply to: Who We Are? posted by Ron on May 14, 1999 at 10:39:24:


I earned a degree in engineering from Doggone U., 1973. Since that time I have made a career of hunting down the elusive ROADRUNNER. I have spent the last two and a half decades of my life designing a better bird trap. I am also a major shareholder in Acme Industrial Products, and, over the years, have directed the testing of many products (some of which worked). I am here to tell you that Acme is truly an American made product. We almost always hit our target. And, even when we don't, we still kick ass. woof woof
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MAC-1 - Thanks, I'll give it a try.

Msg. 112223  Posted by jcbii on May 17, 1999 at 01:27:53:

In Reply to: Cam Adjust. posted by Mac1 on May 16, 1999 at 16:06:30:

jcbii
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A Daisy?

Msg. 112222  Posted by jcbii on May 17, 1999 at 01:16:22:

In Reply to: Re: Pest control, hunting, or just killing? posted by Billy James on May 16, 1999 at 22:28:54:

A Daisy 777? At about 385fps(maybe less?) I didn't know if they could take out a rat. I have one and I really LOVE it's accuracy (I do much better with it than my Beeman 850). But I didn't think it had much punch to it for anything other than paper. Hmmm, may have to give it a try the next time I hear something pitter pattering around in my garage!
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Re: Pest control, hunting, or just killing?

Msg. 112221  Posted by Adam on May 17, 1999 at 01:12:29:

In Reply to: Re: Pest control, hunting, or just killing? posted by Jack on May 16, 1999 at 17:52:13:

right on, my brotha!!!
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Re: Do unto others?

Msg. 112220  Posted by jb/ohio on May 17, 1999 at 01:10:30:

In Reply to: Re: Do unto others? posted by Roger on May 15, 1999 at 23:18:44:


nor are they likely to buy foreign airguns. joe blake of ohio
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Re: Why are we the way we are?

Msg. 112219  Posted by jb/ohio on May 17, 1999 at 01:08:14:

In Reply to: Re: Why are we the way we are? posted by RBest on May 15, 1999 at 21:18:09:


i cannot imagine anything worse than that the world should belong to engineers. even the airgun world. especially the air gun world. i've known engineers. some of my best friends are engineers. but god save us from engineers. did you know that ld was an engineer? you guys should just do your jobs like you were trained to; don't think too much, it will give you delusions of grandeur. joe blake of ohio
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Re: Pest control, hunting, or just killing?

Msg. 112218  Posted by jcbii on May 17, 1999 at 01:01:43:

In Reply to: Pest control, hunting, or just killing? posted by ToddN on May 16, 1999 at 05:45:00:

Well Todd,

You had to know that you were walking into the fire with a bucket of gasoline. Hope you weren�t surprised by some of the responses.

I would say it basically boils down to one�s own upbringing. I was taught not to be reckless with nature, and to basically shoot what I planned to eat. I am assuming that some people have been taught that they can basically shoot everything on site. Or maybe they were not given any guidance in regards to this matter at all when they were young. I was given the OK to shoot pest birds (English Sparrows, Starlings, Pigeons, etc.) by my parents (and grandparents) when I was a youth and living on a farm. I am assuming that the main reason these types of birds are labeled �Pests� is because they are either destructive of other wildlife, not indigenous to the area, cause damage to crops/machinery, or all of the above. I was often invited by farmers to come onto their land and shoot as many rats, starlings, pigeons, and other related pests as I could shoot.

As for the present, the main pests that I shoot are (in order of priority), rats, gophers, and birds. I really hate adding �birds� to the list because I have only shot one at my present place of residence. This was because it showed up at 11pm outside my window and chirped until 6am, when it would fly away (I guess satisfied that it had successfully kept me up all night!). After many sleepless nights (we�re actually talking months here!) I finally cracked, and put it out of my misery.

Why do many people like to shoot animals just for the sake of killing them? I don�t know, other than the fact that there must be a certain amount of enjoyment experienced when stalking down an animal. And I am not excluding myself either, as I have shot many a bird when I was young just for the fun of it (I said my parents/grandparents told me to shoot only what I would eat, I didn�t say that I always listened to them!). But I am not sure how much time I would waste worrying about it if I were you. Far more damage is being done to wildlife by man�s continuous and never-ending encroachment on wilderness through development and other related processes. I find it somewhat frustrating that people discuss and debate these types of issues when it all seems to point towards one thing - overpopulation. Don�t get me wrong, it is good to be concerned about current issues regarding the environment. But it would be nice to look at the source of the problem, as opposed to its many symptoms. One other thing; I would also go as far to say that many so called environmentalists have caused more damage to native wildlife due to their �concern�, than any hunter has with his/her gun. Well since I have gotten off track, I�ll stop here.

Regards,
jcbii

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Re: career 707 " easy float "

Msg. 112217  Posted by Tom Jue/ca/usa on May 17, 1999 at 00:36:33:

In Reply to: career 707 " easy float " posted by anderld on May 15, 1999 at 14:03:11:

Larry:

Here I thought for sure you were going to opt for the Theoben Rapid 7. After all, you were quite critical of the Career 707 right off the bat. But then, you usually critical about everything anyway. It was the first time I had met you so I didnt' realize I needed to discount 99.99999% of what you said.

On a more serious note, I still have the jpg file of that 50 yd., 5/8", 10 shot group. You shot my Career better than I did.

Tom Jue/ca/usa

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Re: yep!

Msg. 112215  Posted by Tom Jue/ca/usa on May 17, 1999 at 00:22:29:

In Reply to: yep! posted by anderld on May 16, 1999 at 20:52:41:

Ahhh yes Larry:

Always nice to carry an in-depth discussion with you. No wonder we get along so well. You never say enough for me to get upset about.

Tom
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Pro Sport: Paul Watts or Jim Maccari

Msg. 112214  Posted by Tom Jue/ca/usa on May 17, 1999 at 00:18:31:

In Reply to: This Question is for TOM JUE about his Pro-Sport posted by Tyler Hathaway on May 16, 1999 at 22:55:35:

Hi Tyler:

Always glad to respond to a fellow airgunner.
Paul Watts tuned my Pro Sport. I still have this 5-shot grouped dated 7/3/98 at 70 yards with a light wind. It measured 1" center to center. I can't do this all the time, but I got very lucky on that day. Robert Hamilton witnessed it. You can buy the gun either from Paul Watts or Jim Maccari.

Paul Watts 901-465-9772 (6:00-9:00 p.m., Central):
pwatts1@null.null
http://server6.hypermart.null/pwatts/springgunning.html

Jim Maccari 410-398-2086, fax 410-398-6947:
http://www0.delphi.com/maccari/
macc4644@null.null

I have done business with the both of them. They are reputable and do excellent work.

Happy shooting,
Tom Jue/ca/usa

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Re: Walther LP53, .177 cal. air pistol, used value? LNIB.

Msg. 112213  Posted by Steve on May 17, 1999 at 00:18:01:

In Reply to: Re: Walther LP53, .177 cal. air pistol, used value? LNIB. posted by chasm on May 16, 1999 at 21:39:49:

chasm,
Thanks for the info. I was wondering what LR stands for in your response. If I were to try and sell this piece where would you recommend advertising?
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Re: Lemon Pledge- Anyone use it for pellet lube in springers?

Msg. 112212  Posted by lou on May 17, 1999 at 00:13:10:

In Reply to: Lemon Pledge- Anyone use it for pellet lube in springers? posted by Eric Helfrich on May 16, 1999 at 23:09:48:

personally, i would seriously question using lemon pledge as a pellet lubricant due to the wax build-up it would probably cause in the rifling grooves...may i suggest washing your pellets with 'simple green' all-purpose cleaner, dry them with a hair dryer, clean your barrel with beeman's cleaner-degreaser, and then give the bore a treatment of 'JB' bore compound available from airgun express and brownell's...the 'JB' will de-lead the bore and even give it a nice polish which will help reduce lead build-up...the less you fuss with the barrel of a 'springer', the better off you'll be, especially with a fantastic rifle like the R9-TK !!! regards and God bless... Lou
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Sheridan Air Rifle

Msg. 112211  Posted by Mark on May 17, 1999 at 00:13:06:

I have a Sheridan that Ive had since I was a teenager,
It hasnt worked in probably ten or more years.
Is there a web site that I can get a new stock and seal kit
for this gun? The only Id I can find on it is C series Sheridan products.
Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks
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The problem with this question...

Msg. 112210  Posted by Elmer Fudd on May 17, 1999 at 00:12:14:

In Reply to: worst.. um. hunting mistakes posted by ERIC on May 14, 1999 at 20:35:05:

is that most of us don't want to relive and publicize our sloppy kills and mistaken species. Suffice it to say that if you have hunted enough you have probably done something really stupid at some point that you'll only admit to your close friends, (the ones who saw you do it). At least I know I have.
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Re: Pest control, hunting, or just killing?

Msg. 112209  Posted by Harry on May 16, 1999 at 23:54:45:

In Reply to: Re: Pest control, hunting, or just killing? posted by MikeZ on May 16, 1999 at 10:09:58:

After reading the above posts it is clear to me that not many of you personally know anyone that has contracted a desease from these "poor innnocent creatures of God". If you ever do you will know why some of us have no problem poping the little buggers as often as we can.
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Re: Clean Living and Pure Thoughts

Msg. 112208  Posted by Bubba on May 16, 1999 at 23:51:37:

In Reply to: Re: Riddle me this posted by RBest on May 16, 1999 at 23:17:28:

Russ,
I believe that if the probability of defects in a mass produced product is , say 3%, then the probability for perfection must also be in that same range.

I got the idea of mounting the pistol scope, scout style, from LD, and it works so well that I havent moved it since I put it on. Even though I could mount a more powerful scope in some other fashion. So, as far as these Ben/Sher multi pump pneumatics go, I believe that if LD says it will work, there is a high possibiliity that if you do your part, it will work. Met him at Little Rock. He's a dandy, for sure.

May be a shift in the Earths rotation, and subsequent ma.nullic field, due to all the weight of the pellets in my back yard. May have thrown her out of balance.

Haven't been here much due to shooting. Need more practice always. And been working on my new Used Industry Brand BS4. Kinda like it. Real accurate, and cleans up good enough to take to town.

Respectfully,
Bubba
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Re: Bubba's other claims to fame.

Msg. 112207  Posted by RBest on May 16, 1999 at 23:49:17:

In Reply to: Bubba's other claims to fame. posted by Rundel on May 16, 1999 at 23:17:28:

Rundel: I appointed Bubba to that position! And I must say, he wears it well. I may start allowing him time aboard the Corporate Gulfstream, as he engineered the repairs on the front landing gear once. It now sports a Fiat front suspension! This will also allow him to shuttle the Bubettes around to different shooting venues and BBQ contests. :>) RB
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760 Crosman questions

Msg. 112206  Posted by Bobcat on May 16, 1999 at 23:43:19:

Are the old 760 Crosman's with wood stock's of any value today. In other words, are they worth overhauling for bird control? What calibers were they produced in? I don't need a $500 gun but I WILL NOT buy a plastic one.

Pooped on in Indiana
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Re: Can I get turrets for a Simmons 44 Mag 6-20x44mm scope?

Msg. 112205  Posted by DonC on May 16, 1999 at 23:41:43:

In Reply to: Can I get turrets for a Simmons 44 Mag 6-20x44mm scope? posted by Pedro Mateus on May 16, 1999 at 17:54:34:

Yes, best buy Natchez
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Re: Calculating recoil velocity

Msg. 112204  Posted by RBest on May 16, 1999 at 23:41:30:

In Reply to: Re: Calculating recoil velocity posted by Wolfesbane on May 16, 1999 at 02:27:28:

Thank you! Getting a few suggestions now that may lead to some results. RB
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Re: Walther LP53, .177 cal. air pistol, used value? LNIB.

Msg. 112203  Posted by DonC on May 16, 1999 at 23:40:47:

In Reply to: Re: Walther LP53, .177 cal. air pistol, used value? LNIB. posted by chasm on May 16, 1999 at 21:39:49:

Hi chasm,
How's everything in Texas? I'm not at all familiar with this pistol you speak of. It must be nice if it's worth $400.00 Please tell me about it and do ya know where there is a photo on the web?
Yo,
Don
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Re: Patriot

Msg. 112202  Posted by Kevin on May 16, 1999 at 23:39:39:

In Reply to: Re: Patriot posted by Daveyg on May 16, 1999 at 16:40:57:

I bought my Patriot from Cabelas for $399, but I think
it's now up to $425. Great company to do business with,
at least in my experience.

I recommend the Patriot in .22, not .25 or .177. I've heard
that the .177 version is actually too hot for Crosman Premiers
to be accurate, but I admit that I've never shot one to prove that
statement.

I own the .22 and really like it, especially with the Jim Maccari
smoooth tune!

I don't like the .25 as much, and yes, I've shot this version, because
of the looping trajectory. Out to 50+ yards the .22 is point and shoot.
The .25 requires that you get out the slide rule to calculate where it's
going to lob the pellet. It does make a good WHACK when the .25 gets to
its target, though.

I'd leave the .25 to the Career and try the Patriot in .22. And beg
JM to tune it for you. 8-)

-Kevin


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Re: Riddle me this

Msg. 112201  Posted by Rundel on May 16, 1999 at 23:39:37:

In Reply to: Riddle me this posted by Bubba on May 16, 1999 at 22:58:49:

Having met your wife, it appears that you have an ability to find things greater than what you deserve.

As for your guilt, you can send the sums necessary to purge your guilt to my address.

As for being confused in Nixa, I'm sure its just that new traffic light.

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Flip Wilsons old church??

Msg. 112200  Posted by RBest on May 16, 1999 at 23:37:03:

In Reply to: A Direct quote from the literature of the " Church of What's Happening Now " nt posted by John Mickel on May 16, 1999 at 23:10:19:

I forget the Reverends name, but I sure recall him doing Geraldine ! RB
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Re: Air Max 1000 Supermax??

Msg. 112199  Posted by RBest on May 16, 1999 at 23:31:47:

In Reply to: Air Max 1000 posted by Pel-it on May 16, 1999 at 21:30:11:

Pel-it: If you mean the Supermax 1000, Mine will be a year old in a couple months. So far, so good. Regards, Russ
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Re: Great time at the Westfield Sportsmans Club FT today

Msg. 112198  Posted by RBest on May 16, 1999 at 23:28:41:

In Reply to: Re: Great time at the Westfield Sportsmans Club FT today posted by A-TEAM-RAY on May 16, 1999 at 22:42:22:

Ray: sorry about the Crosman confusion. I never did memorize some of the numbers on the older models. For those who are interested in the Skanaker Ray fixed up-- it's a real beauty! He sliced and diced his fingertips up in the rush to have it ready to show. You sure brought along some great toys to play around with. Nice work! Regards, Russ
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Re: Setting -up of vertical cross-hair

Msg. 112197  Posted by John Mickel on May 16, 1999 at 23:25:41:

In Reply to: Setting -up of vertical cross-hair posted by Huck on May 16, 1999 at 07:12:42:

Huck, Most people don't hold a rifle in a perfectly vertical position when they shoot anyway. Example: Gary Anderson, ex-olympic champion would have to not only click up, when going from 50 to 100 yds., but would have to click over several notches. Once you learn your settings, it makes little difference and many people find they shoot better with some rifle cant. It feels more natural to them and removes some muscle tension with a more "normal" hold. john
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Bubba's other claims to fame.

Msg. 112196  Posted by Rundel on May 16, 1999 at 23:17:28:

In Reply to: Re: Who We Are? posted by Bubba on May 16, 1999 at 14:20:16:

Bubba forgot to mention his expertise in BBQ and his ability to epoxy anything. Also he holds the position of the director of the southern airgun testing facility.


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Re: Riddle me this

Msg. 112195  Posted by RBest on May 16, 1999 at 23:17:28:

In Reply to: Riddle me this posted by Bubba on May 16, 1999 at 22:58:49:

Esteemed Guru of the Ozarks: It may just be that you have a real good one. I too, own a 397 and a Sheridan, and find the Sheridan superior to the 397 in every way, but most noticeably in the trigger. While you have a very good gun, my 397 trigger is so bad that even with a good HEALTHY pull, it feels as solid as if the safety were still on. It makes it hard to estimate the guns accuracy potential. I think I may have purchsed the worst of that particular lot, while you may be fortunate enough to have latched on to one where everything went together just right. With anything mass produced, these things can happen. I should thank LD for sending me some trigger suggestions on the 397, but I've been so busy, I have yet to institute the necessary alterations. I do hope to get it done this summer, and would be very happy to see the improvement in accuracy. The gun was a gift from my employer, and as such, has a certain sentimental value. Regards, Russ
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Re: Practice Pays Off...

Msg. 112194  Posted by John Mickel on May 16, 1999 at 23:15:42:

In Reply to: Practice Pays Off... posted by Greg Fischer on May 15, 1999 at 23:21:35:

You're talking to a "reformed" .22 rf benchrest shooter here. There is no way a rimfire can match the accuracy of a good air rifle. I sold my custom Turbo .22 and restocked my Anschutz 54 with a prone stock and now shoot only air rifles at benchrest. HOWEVER, add a good random breeze to the equation and it can well be a different story. BRV RULES john PS Russ is right!!
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A Direct quote from the literature of the " Church of What's Happening Now " nt

Msg. 112193  Posted by John Mickel on May 16, 1999 at 23:10:19:

In Reply to: Re: Do unto others? posted by RBest on May 16, 1999 at 01:10:53:

nt

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Lemon Pledge- Anyone use it for pellet lube in springers?

Msg. 112192  Posted by Eric Helfrich on May 16, 1999 at 23:09:48:

Bear with me as my airgun disease has reached a point where I am actually entertaining these ideas that have been discussed many times before. I bought an R9 TK in FT tune and finished a JM custom shop walnut stock. Now that I have the new and improved toy I find myself mysteriosuly wanting to wash and lube pellets, go figure.If you have, does it leave a residue in the barrel, can it be removed by a pull through with FP10. I think I read a message by Lou VK saying he used pledge for a pellet lube. Any suggestions would be appreciated.
Thanks Eric Helfrich
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Riddle me this

Msg. 112191  Posted by Bubba on May 16, 1999 at 22:58:49:

Esteemed and knowledgable members of this forum,
I have made an observation regarding accuracy in air guns that kinda upsets the reality that I have created regarding performance.

I just shot my ole Ben/Sher 397c, .177 cal, with a Tasco #x Pro Class pistol scope mounted scout style, above the cocking handle/forearm/ main stock. Added a trigger shoe to help with trigger feel.

Now, this poree ole gun, circa 1980something, was purchased at a pawn shop. It had those high mount Weaver bases with claws that pry the barrel away from the reciever, and they had done so. I used some West System epoxy, and a little adhesive magic to secure the action to the reciever, and went ahead and bonded the barrel to the pump tube resivouir. Now I know how to use these adhesivies, and everything has been tight since this repair, about 8months ago.

Whats bothering me is that the accuracy, from a bench rest,with three pumps, and darn near any pellet, but especially Eley Match, is incredible.

I have and have shot some fine air rifles. Many are very accurate, but under the aforementioned circumstances none will exceed the ole 397. I onlly spent $75.00 for the gun, and another say 100 for scope and mounts, and trigger shoe. I have not modified this rifle in any way. Got a great piece of walnut, probably from up the road here in MO.

This experience has plumb messed up my theory that the guns accuracy is proportinate to the price of the gun. This is most disconcerting. Perhaps if I could give someone some more money for this gun, I would feel better.

I remain, confused in Nixa MO.

Respectfully,
Bubba
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Oyster Crackers: They're Cheap, Biodegradable and Really Explode ! (nt)

Msg. 112190  Posted by Howard C on May 16, 1999 at 22:57:25:

In Reply to: Airgun Targets... posted by SniperCX on May 16, 1999 at 15:10:13:

nt
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" Post it " notes- no more scope ring scuff marks!!!

Msg. 112189  Posted by Eric Helfrich on May 16, 1999 at 22:56:52:


Just a tid bit about something I found to work real well to prevent ring marks on your nice new or old scope, plus it helps prevent scope movement as well. I have tried to line the top and bottom of scope mounts with electrical tape or similar things and found that the adhesive can make a mess. An alternative is to use the sticky part of post-it notes to do the same thing. The adhesive is much less viscous and does not seem to come off onto the metal of the mount after extended periods. It also makes mounting the scope easier as the paper adheres to the mount unlike newspaper which works but moves all over the place as I am trying to mount the scope. It is easy to cut out and also helps prevent scope creep. I am sure there are plenty of other ways as well but this one floats my boat!! Eric Helfrich
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This Question is for TOM JUE about his Pro-Sport

Msg. 112188  Posted by Tyler Hathaway on May 16, 1999 at 22:55:35:

Hey Tom,
I read the in the latest US airgun magazine that you hunt with your Air-Arms Pro-sport in .177 and i was wondering if you got any type of tune done to it and where you got the tune and the airgun from. Thank you for your time.

-Tyler Hathaway
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Re: Missing stop pin in Burris # 420556: where is it normally packed ? nt.

Msg. 112187  Posted by DonC on May 16, 1999 at 22:52:36:

In Reply to: Re: Missing stop pin in Burris # 420556: where is it normally packed ? nt. posted by Sligh on May 16, 1999 at 11:13:29:

Same here. I e-mailed Burris and they sent one out. Ntachez should know about this problem by now. While I was waiting for the stop pin to come in I snaped off a shunck of 1/8" drill bit and used it. worked fine and looks like the Burris pin.
Don
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Re: 2260 Mac-1 Style -Lookin forward to review! (NT)

Msg. 112186  Posted by Jim P on May 16, 1999 at 22:50:41:

In Reply to: Re: 2260 Mac-1 Style posted by MR Bulk� on May 16, 1999 at 19:28:43:

NT
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Re: Burris Eccentric offset amp; rotation adjustment tools advice

Msg. 112185  Posted by DonC on May 16, 1999 at 22:49:32:

In Reply to: Burris Eccentric offset amp; rotation adjustment tools advice posted by vZc on May 16, 1999 at 14:57:56:

I usually have to do a +20 and -10 insert combo also. For windage rotate the inserts toward the side on both front and rear. Afterwards you may have to go to a +20 and -20 because you lose a little rear scope lift when you rotate.
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Re: Great time at the Westfield Sportsmans Club FT today

Msg. 112183  Posted by A-TEAM-RAY on May 16, 1999 at 22:42:22:

In Reply to: Great time at the Westfield Sportsmans Club FT today posted by Russ Best on May 16, 1999 at 17:09:25:

Actually Russ that was a Crossman 111. It is 177 caliber and the long action. 177 is my favorite caliber. I just like it for flat shooting. The 113 was a 177 caliber rifle made similar to that pistol. The reg I made for that pistol would fit in the rifle.

Russ I'm glad you liked our toys. The Skanaker I finished quick just because I wanted you to get a chance to shoot it. BTW here are the specs from the Skanaker:

Skanaker 3000 psi fill.
7.9gn Premiers
low~~~~665.70
hi~~~~~675.10
ave~~~~670.18
sprd~~~~~9.46
std dev~~2.00
# shts~~~33
FTLBS~~~7.87
And that is with one high flier and one low one. If I would have stopped after 26 shots the spread was 7.62-fps........ This gun is amazing me. It has exceeded my expectations.

Mark did an outstanding job for his first match. You would never have known it was the first match he had put on. The targets worked flawlessly in the begining of the match with only one being pulled out of the match toward the end because it couldn't take the beating. That problem will be fixed by the next match I'm sure. The targets weren't too difficult but the course was not cleaned and there were no offhand shots this time around. Mark tells me there will be in the future along with a few harder ones for us PCP guys who will be allowed to bring our regular guns next time around.

Mark you did a great job on the targets. My favorite is a toss up between the killer bee's and the turtles. Both looked really great. Hope we didn't give you to much to repaint. I TRIED to only hit the paddles.

Ray from ~ The �A� Team
(914-896-9792)
A-TEAM-RAY == > ateamray@null.null

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Re: Pest control, hunting, or just killing?

Msg. 112182  Posted by Billy James on May 16, 1999 at 22:28:54:

In Reply to: Pest control, hunting, or just killing? posted by ToddN on May 16, 1999 at 05:45:00:

I leave MOST of them alone. Just had a discussion today
with my wife about this. She didn't see a reason to kill any
of them. I said "what about if you had rats in the house?" Then
she got my point. Anyway, I've gotten almost 20 rats with my
Daisy 777 pistol. I sure would have gotten the squirrel
that ate a hole in our roof if I had seen it! Otherwise
we even ignore the squirrels that eat out of her new bird
feeder.
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Re: Squirrel and FT Air-Rfile

Msg. 112181  Posted by Mark Lemm on May 16, 1999 at 22:28:39:

In Reply to: Squirrel and FT Air-Rfile posted by Tyler Haathaway on May 16, 1999 at 21:00:44:

I'd get an R9. You don't need a fixed barrel gun to be competitive in FT IMHO.

-Mark
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Diana cross reference chart

Msg. 112180  Posted by Bill S. on May 16, 1999 at 22:05:03:

I scanned a chart that shows the different model designations: (Diana, Geco, Hy-Score, Original, Winchester,Beeman, RWS). From an old ARH trade directory. e-mail me if you want a copy. JPEG format. Bill S.
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'' Different Pellets '' have different ballistics which '' move the POI ...

Msg. 112179  Posted by vZc on May 16, 1999 at 21:46:36:

In Reply to: Different Pellets move the POI posted by Bill L on May 15, 1999 at 09:28:53:

... I use precision boresighting (X class[0.0001"]guage pins as spuds with an orthogonal reflection mirror for collimation alignment (scope to bore parallelism).

Burris air rifle rings(#420556) with and offsets (-0.010 & +0.020 [#626019]) is the most efficient scratchless, scope alignment mounting system I 've used to date on RWS 48 rifles.

Email me to get on the interested product list and I 'll quote 0.030" (-0.010 & +0.020) or 0.040" (-0.020 & +0.020) ring assembly configuration including the stop pin.
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Re: Walther LP53, .177 cal. air pistol, used value? LNIB.

Msg. 112178  Posted by chasm on May 16, 1999 at 21:39:49:

In Reply to: Walther LP53, .177 cal. air pistol, used value? LNIB. posted by Steve on May 16, 1999 at 20:18:47:

Steve,

I was told in LR that my LP-53 with all the accessories might fetch $400. HTH.

chasm

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Air Max 1000

Msg. 112177  Posted by Pel-it on May 16, 1999 at 21:30:11:

Has anybody had any experience with the Diana wannabe, the airmax 1000. How does it stand the test of time???
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Re: Pest control, hunting, or just killing?

Msg. 112176  Posted by Paul C on May 16, 1999 at 21:24:13:

In Reply to: Pest control, hunting, or just killing? posted by ToddN on May 16, 1999 at 05:45:00:

Todd,
I generally agree with your sentiment but will shoot any English sparrow
that comes anywhere near our bluebird or tree swallow houses. When I did not do this, we soon had a monoculture
of that particular sparrow because they killed/destroyed bothbirds and eggs. When I took my family to visit my brother
living in Maui, and to see the unique species of birds that evolved
there over millions of years of isolation, it was
disappointing to see that the most populous bird there is.....The Engish Sparrow!
It,s a shame that effective steps weren't taken
to protect their unique species from this invader.
Therefore, I do my small part to reduce their numbers
whenever and whereever I can safely do so, and I enjoy it.
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Re: Squirrel and FT Air-Rfile

Msg. 112175  Posted by Dave Plemmons on May 16, 1999 at 21:21:09:

In Reply to: Squirrel and FT Air-Rfile posted by Tyler Haathaway on May 16, 1999 at 21:00:44:

I suggest the TX200 in .177 it is the European and
World Champion Ft springer gun and it will certainly
dispatch of squirrels as mine has sent thirty some
on to the great hickory nut tree in the sky!!
HTH...D.P.
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Sticky labels

Msg. 112174  Posted by Charles Guatney on May 16, 1999 at 21:20:06:

In Reply to: Airgun Targets... posted by SniperCX on May 16, 1999 at 15:10:13:

Avery Dennison Corporation packages 1,000 adhesive-backed colour coding labels, 3/4" round, in a variety of solid and fluorescent colours.

Stick them on paper or cardboard and mount them in the pellet trap. Use them on Styrofoam packing materials, boxes, discarded lumber, cans, or whatever you might have.
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Re: Marksman FTS = (Field Target S????) nt

Msg. 112173  Posted by LOU V.K. on May 16, 1999 at 21:17:26:

In Reply to: Marksman FTS = (Field Target S????) nt posted by Axel on May 16, 1999 at 17:56:16:


Field Target Specials.
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HY-SCORE model SM820, used value.

Msg. 112172  Posted by Steve on May 16, 1999 at 21:10:29:

I inhereted a HY-SCORE model SM820, .177cal, side cock target style air rifle. I would like to sell it. It will not shoot at this time , but I think it just needs seals. What is a fair value on this rifle?
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Squirrel and FT Air-Rfile

Msg. 112171  Posted by Tyler Haathaway on May 16, 1999 at 21:00:44:

What would be a good airgun purchase around $350 for Squirrel and FT Air-Rfile shooting.Any Reply's would be really appreciated.

-Tyler Hathaway
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TX 200 Mk 4, Bamp;L 5-15X50 and Nygord pellets

Msg. 112170  Posted by GF on May 16, 1999 at 21:00:24:

In Reply to: air rfle for squirrels posted by Mike on May 12, 1999 at 21:49:29:

I received by TX 200 MK 4 .177 calibre in February. I shoot only in my own yard at squirrels. I have killed 11 of them with this rifle, 3 in one day. Several of them were killed out the kitchen window. Gives a whole new meaning to the term kithcen blind. I killed one at 51 yards (measured) with 1 shot. At 20 yards the pellet goes clear through and they generaly die within a few seconds. Accuracy is good but this rifle is rather "hold sensitive". Power is obviously adequate.
Squirrels are rather tough critters. Suggest nothing under 12 ft/lbs energy.
I don't like RWS even though they have adequate power, they do not have the accuracy to do the job.
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Re: On the stuffing inside the shirt:

Msg. 112169  Posted by ProfHoff on May 16, 1999 at 20:59:49:

In Reply to: Re: On the stuffing inside the shirt: posted by Wampas on May 16, 1999 at 20:22:18:

Wampas,

Although a formal education has been good to me, most whom I really respect are those diligent souls who have used the real-world education derived from day-to-day life experiences to become men and women of integrity and grit. They come in all shapes and sizes -- and all of them have good stuffin inside their shirts.

There's more than one kind of right stuff -- and you sound like a fellow with the good kind.

Regards,

ProfHoff
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yep!

Msg. 112168  Posted by anderld on May 16, 1999 at 20:52:41:

In Reply to: Re: Beeman R-1 .20 cal ; .177 cal with Theoben Gas Ram posted by Tom Jue/ca/usa on May 16, 1999 at 19:20:30:


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Nygord pellets and nylon pull through

Msg. 112166  Posted by GF on May 16, 1999 at 20:47:42:

In Reply to: Help, TX200 Owners posted by Ron on May 13, 1999 at 11:23:42:

I use Nygord pellets. This is an 8.3 grain wad cutter and this is the best pellet for target or game in .177. I use it in my TX200 and my FWB 300 S Match. If you are going to shoot FT the CP lites would be the better choice.
The AIR ARMS barrel will come rather dirty from the factory.
Get a good nylon pull through cleaner. Clean it good with just the cleaning patchs (no solution of any kind) and you can probably forget it for a long time.
There are several web sites on the inte.nullt that offer extensive airgun supplies, Including Natchez shooters supply and FSI among numerous others.
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Re: Yeah, and you won't spend much money on it, except for clubs, fees, carts...caddies,balls, and on and on (nt)

Msg. 112165  Posted by jj on May 16, 1999 at 20:45:55:

In Reply to: Re: Yeah, and you won't spend much money on it, except for clubs, fees, carts...caddies,balls, and on and on (nt) posted by Jerry Rhodes on May 15, 1999 at 23:12:54:

Jerry,

I have shared your experience shooting a golf ball. Hit the ball and the ricochet was screaming loud. Fortunately for me I didn't hit the center, otherwise I might have been wearing the pellet.

Also, fortunate is that my wife calmed down a bit, she was a bit histerical after the P70 purchase. I think it may have helped that I am now replacing the tiles on both bathroom floors.
At her insistance of course. Good think I didn't buy the Anshutz 2002 AZ, well, maybe next year.
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Re: On the stuffing inside the shirt:

Msg. 112164  Posted by Wampas on May 16, 1999 at 20:22:18:

In Reply to: Re: On the stuffing inside the shirt: posted by ProfHoff on May 16, 1999 at 20:04:34:

Prof,
You seem to be one of those folks that make life somewhat bearable and enjoyable!! HA! Good for you, and the rest of us, that will listen. I have close to 12000 hours of school/training after high school. Please tell me, isn't that close to PHD territory, if all put into one egg, and passing all subjects?? Thought I had better ask you, rather than some person that knows less than me!!
Thanks,
Wampas
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Walther LP53, .177 cal. air pistol, used value? LNIB.

Msg. 112163  Posted by Steve on May 16, 1999 at 20:18:47:

I am wondering what my Walther LP53 in 98-100% condition,like new in box with manual and test target is worth?
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Walther LP53, .177 cal. air pistol, used value? LNIB.

Msg. 112162  Posted by Steve on May 16, 1999 at 20:17:19:

I am wondering what my Walther LP53 in 98-100% condition,like new in box with manual and test target is worth?
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Re: On the stuffing inside the shirt:

Msg. 112160  Posted by ProfHoff on May 16, 1999 at 20:04:34:

In Reply to: Re: Scope mounting on the Crosman 2289 posted by Wampas on May 16, 1999 at 19:40:02:

Wampas,

Why the epoxy? The set of intermounts I have just don't seem to have the exact contour necessary to grip the gun's main tube. When screwed down tight, I could still get a little wiggle when I moved the scope sideways. I didn't pick up on it at first -- shot a lot of flyers before I discovered my problem. Now the mount's "tighter'n a bulls butt in fly time."

-----------------------

Though I have been a teacher nearly all my professional life, I get along better with the average Joe rather than pointy-headed academic types. Some stuffed shirts contain stuffing not to my liking. I characterize it as "used oats'"

Be not afraid to ask questions. As I tell my students, the really dumb questions are those you don't have the courage to ask.

Still, like most young folk, I once cared quite a lot about my "image." That's no longer true. I'm not afraid to appear stupid when I don't know the all the answers. I try to learn from those who do know -- and hit the books for answers I can't find elsewhere.

It is possible to hold a Ph.D. degree and still know how to fart, belch, and drink milk directly out of the carton. My missus is still trying to civilize me.

Regards,

ProfHoff
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Re: Airgun Targets...

Msg. 112159  Posted by Ken Hildebrand on May 16, 1999 at 19:51:29:

In Reply to: Airgun Targets... posted by SniperCX on May 16, 1999 at 15:10:13:

For indoor shooting, I like to make paper targets with my iMac Appleworks application that has rows and columns of little circles inside a diamond for shooting at with a scoped air rifle.

For outdoors, I like the spinner targets, and little kids toys like the kind they get at Burger King--I have a whole big box of these damn things that my wife would probably throw out eventually. Everytime my son gets a BK Kids Meal, I always tease him and say "Oh boy! Another target!". I'm saving these toys up for when he does not want them anymore, and shoot up the busted ones.

The little green plast army men are fun too! So are used shot gun shells!

I'm always looking for good targets!

Ken
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Re: I vote for more hours in a day : try a faster INTE.null connection ...

Msg. 112158  Posted by vZc on May 16, 1999 at 19:42:03:

In Reply to: I vote for more hours in a day posted by Russ Best on May 15, 1999 at 22:53:43:

230 kps ISDN, DirecPC satellite disk or cable modem
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Re: Scope mounting on the Crosman 2289

Msg. 112157  Posted by Wampas on May 16, 1999 at 19:40:02:

In Reply to: Re: Scope mounting on the Crosman 2289 posted by ProfHoff on May 16, 1999 at 19:15:31:

Prof,
Why would you need to epoxy or glue a mount to a gun that has no hint of recoil??? I have several high recoil guns, including a Patriot, and none of them need glue or epoxy! But after seeing that "Who We Are" thread below, very impresive (I love it)I'm afraid to say anything. I always thought that I would rather be a stupid ass in a group of brilliance, than a brilliant one in a group of supidity!!! You know "WHY" Brilliance will lift everyone, while stupidity will pull us all down!!! ProfHoff, this is not pointed at you, even though you are one of them Professers!!!
Regards,
Wampas
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Re: vZc volocity of RWS 48/.20 cal

Msg. 112156  Posted by vZc on May 16, 1999 at 19:38:25:

In Reply to: vZc volocity of RWS 48/.20 cal posted by Jeff on May 16, 1999 at 14:53:08:

posted earlier.

Updates later tonight.

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Re: 600 and Mark 1 Specs

Msg. 112155  Posted by MR Bulk� on May 16, 1999 at 19:34:40:

In Reply to: 600 and Mark 1 Specs posted by Mac1 on May 16, 1999 at 15:21:19:

Just added Mac-1's 13-inch bull barrel to a box-stock 600, and shooting in the afternoon sun it went a witnessed 558 fps.

MR Bulk�


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Re: how much does Marksman FTS in .20 cal. weigh? 11.7 grains in L.A. (small sample )NT

Msg. 112154  Posted by vZc on May 16, 1999 at 19:31:19:

In Reply to: how much does Marksman FTS in .20 cal. weigh? NT posted by PAL on May 16, 1999 at 17:34:24:

.
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Re: 2260 Mac-1 Style

Msg. 112153  Posted by MR Bulk� on May 16, 1999 at 19:28:43:

In Reply to: 2260 Mac-1 Style posted by Mac1 on May 16, 1999 at 15:35:07:

Because I am, after all

MR Bulk�

Full review to follow!


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Switching from a smooth spring gun also presents problems

Msg. 112152  Posted by Tom Jue/ca/usa on May 16, 1999 at 19:23:07:

In Reply to: Re: Beeman RX-1 Accuracy Problems posted by RBest on May 16, 1999 at 00:50:26:

Hi Russ:

Paul Watt's tuned TX-200, Mark V is just as smooth as a PCP. I have problems switching from this rifle to an RX-1 also.

Tom Jue/ca/usa
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Re: Beeman R-1 .20 cal ; .177 cal with Theoben Gas Ram

Msg. 112151  Posted by Tom Jue/ca/usa on May 16, 1999 at 19:20:30:

In Reply to: Re: Beeman R-1 .20 cal amp; .177 cal with Theoben Gas Ram posted by anderld on May 16, 1999 at 15:12:30:

Hey Lar:

I'm surprised the Crosman 14.3, .20 cal are clocking 695 fps. It should be closer to 770 fps. Must be that wonderful chrony you've got.

Shooting gas rams definitely requires a different skill set. If you've got an easier shooting Career 707, it definitely allows acquiring the gas ram shooting skill more leisurely. I get the impression from talking to Rick Johnson that the R-1 Gas Ram is easier to shoot than the un-tuned stock R-1.

Tom Jue/ca/usa
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Re: Scope mounting on the Crosman 2289

Msg. 112150  Posted by ProfHoff on May 16, 1999 at 19:15:31:

In Reply to: Re: 2260 Mac-1 Style ... Stay tuned, there's more to come, I hope. posted by Jeff Guinan on May 16, 1999 at 18:18:06:

Jeff,

I used the larger intermounts -- B272, I think -- and placed one of them all the way back just short of touching the breech-block. I also put a wee dab of Loctite "Cold Weld" epoxy at the four points where the large radius of the mounts meets the main tube -- none on or near the barrel. Seems to work like a champ. Scope has held its zero through more than 250 pump cycles.

Glad you like your 2289. I don't feel quite so embarassed by liking lesser rifle.

Regards,

ProfHoff
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Quick look at the results

Msg. 112149  Posted by Mark Lisowski on May 16, 1999 at 19:01:54:

In Reply to: Great time at the Westfield Sportsmans Club FT today posted by Russ Best on May 16, 1999 at 17:09:25:

Russ,

Glad you and your Amigos could come. We had 8
shooters for this inaugural match. There was only
one target failure which brought the match to a
57 shot match. The results are as follows:
1st place went to Ray Apelles (55) of Wappingers
Falls, NY shooting a TX200, 2nd place to Steve
Parker (29) of Baldwin, NY shooting a AirArms
Prosport and 3rd place went to Bob Paulson (25)of
Ossining, NY shooting a TX200. The weather was
perfect - clear and sunny - temp in the upper 60's,
low 70's and just a hint of a breeze but not
enough to cause anyone any real problem.

As Russ mentioned, I'd like to thank Ray Apelles
for bringing along his toys - 2 Careers, Skanaker
PCP, SSP250 PCP as well as a good assortment of
targets to play with on the sight-in range.

I think everyone had a good time. Our next match
is Sunday June 13th at 10:00. So, if you're
with-in driving distance of Westfield, and want to
see what Field Target is all about, come on down
and give us a try. Our remaining schedule and
directions are at the website listed below.

Also, full results and pictures of the match will
be posted on the website later this week.

Mark

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The more you practise the luckier you get... (NT)

Msg. 112148  Posted by Warren Potter on May 16, 1999 at 18:44:51:

In Reply to: Practice Pays Off... posted by Greg Fischer on May 15, 1999 at 23:21:35:



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Re: Pest control, hunting, or just killing?

Msg. 112147  Posted by Daveyg on May 16, 1999 at 18:37:05:

In Reply to: Pest control, hunting, or just killing? posted by ToddN on May 16, 1999 at 05:45:00:

Well I never fail to see it happen.For the last 500 yrs.in this country people smoked.Now it's taboo.First they started where you work.They said smoke in the break room,then they stopped that.Next they stopped smoking at the workplace.Next they said we want smoke free areas in dining places.Then they said they wanted more room.Next it escalated to no smoking in restaurants Now,no smoking in public places.Even outside you must be 300 ft.from a school.There are fines for any violations. Now they are trying for no smoking in the county.The best is they are trying to make it a fine if you smoke in the car with kids.Soon you will be arrested in your home for smoking.I live in the state of New York.In some parts you can't hunt deer with a rifle,the state says a shotgun with deer slugs.That makes one gun.Then if you hunt birds,that might require another gun.If you have friends that own property in nothern N.Y. then you can hunt deer with a rifle.Thats another gun Now lets say you want to hunt woodchuck or varmint hunt,thats another gun.For people who hunt alot they understand why you have so many guns.Then if you have kids who hunt also Thats more guns.Some Day soon they will take them all away from us.Anybody who thinks different is nuts.A lot of people died for our rights in this country and a lot of people who live right here in this country are trying to take them away from us.With all the things wrong in this world,Drug dealing, murders, serial rapist,chld molesting and so on.You would think those are areas were people who ClAIM to be concerned could spend some time and effort through debate or whatever to help solve some problems.I thought I found an interesting forum.How bad can it be?It's air rifles,come on-pellet guns.I even bought one from the great springman.Now I have a guy telling me he is concerned about the way people talk about popping off vermin.
This is my last post.
You can shove this forum where the sun doesn't shine.
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Re: PE, RWS48 which one is more noisy? - Pro Sports, are they going to be imported again?

Msg. 112146  Posted by RBest on May 16, 1999 at 18:31:58:

In Reply to: Re: PE, RWS48 which one is more noisy? - Pro Sports, are they going to be imported again? posted by Bill L on May 16, 1999 at 18:25:19:

The Pro Elite is quieter-- especially when tuned. RB
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Re: PE, RWS48 which one is more noisy? - Pro Sports, are they going to be imported again?

Msg. 112145  Posted by Bill L on May 16, 1999 at 18:25:19:

In Reply to: PE, RWS48 which one is more noisy? (nt) posted by Rich on May 16, 1999 at 17:44:39:

I don't know which is more noisy, but for $200 extra the PE
should be quieter!!

The Pro Sport is the side cocking Air Arms gun. Does anyone know
if they are going to be imported again soon? I believe they
have been going for around $600, which seems a little high.
I wish they were available for a little less.
A used gun would be an option, I guess.
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Which one is more power? what the price of each?

Msg. 112144  Posted by Ezak on May 16, 1999 at 18:21:23:

In Reply to: Air Arms Premier Elite, see link: posted by Bill L on May 16, 1999 at 18:16:18:

ed
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Re: 2260 Mac-1 Style ... Stay tuned, there's more to come, I hope.

Msg. 112143  Posted by Jeff Guinan on May 16, 1999 at 18:18:06:

In Reply to: Re: 2260 Mac-1 Style ... Stay tuned, there's more to come, I hope. posted by ProfHoff on May 16, 1999 at 16:14:38:

Count me in. I've got the Mac-1 modified 2289 and love the trigger, accuracy, power (488 fps with 14.3 CPs at 10 pumps) and it's low noise level. The sound is so low, you'd think there's no power behind the shot - unless you chrono it. My 112 pistols give 470 fps but make your ears ring when you shoot indoors. Only problem with the gun is mounting a scope, which I haven't tried yet for fear of putting pressure on the plastic. I may just lightly tighten the mount after gobbing it with Krazy Glue.
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Air Arms Premier Elite, see link:

Msg. 112142  Posted by Bill L on May 16, 1999 at 18:16:18:

In Reply to: Re: PE, RWS48 which one is more noisy? (nt) posted by Ezak on May 16, 1999 at 18:05:38:

NT

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Oooops... nt

Msg. 112141  Posted by Axel on May 16, 1999 at 18:07:58:

In Reply to: If you mean the Chineese TF22, it's 36$ at Compasseco. nt posted by Axel on May 16, 1999 at 18:02:00:

nt
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Re: PE, RWS48 which one is more noisy? (nt)

Msg. 112140  Posted by Ezak on May 16, 1999 at 18:05:38:

In Reply to: Re: PE, RWS48 which one is more noisy? (nt) posted by ERIC on May 16, 1999 at 18:02:03:

What is the PE ? is it more or less power than RWS48 ?
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Here's a link..

Msg. 112139  Posted by ERIC on May 16, 1999 at 18:03:47:

In Reply to: Airgun Targets... posted by SniperCX on May 16, 1999 at 15:10:13:



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Re: PE, RWS48 which one is more noisy? (nt)

Msg. 112137  Posted by ERIC on May 16, 1999 at 18:02:03:

In Reply to: PE, RWS48 which one is more noisy? (nt) posted by Rich on May 16, 1999 at 17:44:39:

The 48 might be, if memeory serves me well. I like the Pe over the 48
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If you mean the Chineese TF22, it's 36$ at Compasseco. nt

Msg. 112136  Posted by Axel on May 16, 1999 at 18:02:00:

In Reply to: What does a QB22 cost? (nt) posted by TM on May 16, 1999 at 17:50:45:

nt
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Is there a .177 barrel as long as the 2260 barrel for the 2289?

Msg. 112135  Posted by Fearon Steele on May 16, 1999 at 18:01:52:

Just wondering, it would be cool to be able to switch over when my wallets dry and I'm outta .22's.
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Correction- I meant used one(nt)

Msg. 112134  Posted by ERIC on May 16, 1999 at 18:00:58:

In Reply to: Re: What does a QB22 cost? (nt) posted by ERIC on May 16, 1999 at 18:00:18:

nt
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Re: What does a QB22 cost? (nt)

Msg. 112133  Posted by ERIC on May 16, 1999 at 18:00:18:

In Reply to: What does a QB22 cost? (nt) posted by TM on May 16, 1999 at 17:50:45:

it used to be 130$ from mac-1. There's no more left. Youu could try to get a new one
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field target specialists (nt

Msg. 112132  Posted by ERIC on May 16, 1999 at 17:59:23:

In Reply to: Marksman FTS = (Field Target S????) nt posted by Axel on May 16, 1999 at 17:56:16:

q
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Marksman FTS = (Field Target S????) nt

Msg. 112131  Posted by Axel on May 16, 1999 at 17:56:16:

nt
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Can I get turrets for a Simmons 44 Mag 6-20x44mm scope?

Msg. 112130  Posted by Pedro Mateus on May 16, 1999 at 17:54:34:

Is there any way to get target turrets on a Simmons 44Mag 6-20x44mm scope? Simmons can fit them but charge almos the same price of the scope.
Thx.
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Re: Pest control, hunting, or just killing?

Msg. 112129  Posted by Jack on May 16, 1999 at 17:52:13:

In Reply to: Pest control, hunting, or just killing? posted by ToddN on May 16, 1999 at 05:45:00:

If it makes you feel better, I dont care what species it is when I hunt because I shoot them all.
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Re: stealth Chrono... what ever you want

Msg. 112128  Posted by Geoff.R.C. on May 16, 1999 at 17:50:57:

In Reply to: Re: stealth Chrono... what ever you want posted by Mike Reames on May 14, 1999 at 13:04:44:

Hi Mike,
I was most interested in the information you gave about the Stealth.I live in the U.K.were we have this rule about the level of power(max 12ftlbs).Ihave had a play with a 12ftlbs. Stealth I could only increase the power by opening up the port and using a stronger hammer spring.This however only gave me about 20ftlbs.What was that you said about the 'o'rings?Any other info about tuning the Stealth would be most welcome.I have a friend who runs a gun shop,he has several Stealth's in and I could negotiate a good deal if I knew that I could make it run in the manner of my other guns.
thanks for your help.
Geoff.
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What does a QB22 cost? (nt)

Msg. 112127  Posted by TM on May 16, 1999 at 17:50:45:


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Re: Pest control, hunting, or just killing?

Msg. 112126  Posted by joe on May 16, 1999 at 17:46:05:

In Reply to: Pest control, hunting, or just killing? posted by ToddN on May 16, 1999 at 05:45:00:

I don't shoot birds I can't eat. But then I don't have a pest problem in my orchard. Nor do I have non native species decimating the nests of native species in my yard. Non hunters are notorious for altering their environment to suite their urban needs. I see no reason that some folks wouldn't alter their environment to protect native species or property from damage.
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PE, RWS48 which one is more noisy? (nt)

Msg. 112125  Posted by Rich on May 16, 1999 at 17:44:39:

n
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11.6 grains NT

Msg. 112124  Posted by RBest on May 16, 1999 at 17:37:22:

In Reply to: how much does Marksman FTS in .20 cal. weigh? NT posted by PAL on May 16, 1999 at 17:34:24:

nt
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Re: qadas.comRe: Dave: you are still World Class

Msg. 112123  Posted by RBest on May 16, 1999 at 17:35:19:

In Reply to: qadas.comRe: Dave: you are still World Class posted by Dave Plemmons on May 16, 1999 at 15:25:44:

Dave: I do well with pistols, but they just aren't my cup of tea for everyday shooting.Competed in my first FT today, and disater struck early. First off-- I was going to use a QB-77 co2 gun because its lightweight. I've been having a problem with my arm since Mid-March, and can't handle the heavier FT guns very well- including myTX. Well anyway, the QB failed to cock, right before the match was to start. I just got it sighted in, and all of a sudden it crapped out. My buddy Bill had brought along another gun- a Browning Elecric cocker! I took that, hoping that the fact that it was an auto cocker- I could use my arm less. As it turns out, I couldn't get it to sight in right, and figured the 'heck with it" I 'll just watch the other shooters compete. As everybody was setting up for the start of the meet, I decided to team up with Steve Parker, and shoot Bill's Emerald Pro Sport. This gun was wonderful, but it's also wearing a heavy laminated stock, and it was a little too much for my arm. I did shoot the course, but with the pain and shaking in my arm, I did much worse than I should have. Gotta have the docs look at this arm , because FT is a lot of fun, and I need to get back up to snuff. Regards, Russ
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how much does Marksman FTS in .20 cal. weigh? NT

Msg. 112122  Posted by PAL on May 16, 1999 at 17:34:24:


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one man's garbage...

Msg. 112121  Posted by PAL on May 16, 1999 at 17:27:11:

In Reply to: Airgun Targets... posted by SniperCX on May 16, 1999 at 15:10:13:

I just use circle targets on paper. Ones printed from the simple but cool program you can download at one of the airgun personal homepages.

But what I do best is shoot garbage! We save beer bottle caps, small plastic caps off of water bottles etc. for shootin. I can't hardly throw anything away anymore without analylizing its potential as a target.

CJ and I were shooting and my girlfriend brought us icewater. CJ remembered reading on somebody's homepage that ice cubes made good targets, so we dug some cubes out of our drinks and shot them. What a blast. we were some ice cube killin' SOBs.

We plan to shoot at his house this week. I am going to try to rememer to pick up a bag of cheese balls and try that next.

Paul
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Maybe you need to upgrade your browser. Go to www.nullscape.com and download the latest free. (NT)

Msg. 112120  Posted by Bill L on May 16, 1999 at 17:18:58:

In Reply to: Re: Try this: posted by mark on May 16, 1999 at 13:22:41:

NT
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Great time at the Westfield Sportsmans Club FT today

Msg. 112119  Posted by Russ Best on May 16, 1999 at 17:09:25:

Went to the Westfield Club FT today in Massachusetts. Great weather, great course and a fine job done by Mark Lisowski in getting this one off the ground. Ray Apelles showed of the PCP Skanaker he's been working on , as well as the PCP Crosman 113 he developed. Both guns shoot beautifully, and the Skanaker is simply awesome. I'd also like to thank Ray for allowing me to try out his Career's. Both the carbine and the rifle. What a difference the A-Team kit makes ! Bob Pearson from Precision Sales also showed up and handed me the new BSA Super 10 stock for a good look see. I like it alot! Full rollover cheeckpiece and generally more sporterized. I look forward to competing at this venue again. Thanks also to Bill Butler and Steve Parker, who graciously took me along for the ride( and got up at 3;30 am to do so! We are the 3 Amigos! Russ
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Re: Patriot

Msg. 112118  Posted by Daveyg on May 16, 1999 at 16:40:57:

In Reply to: Patriot posted by Bryan on May 15, 1999 at 23:03:15:

I just received some literature from pyramid air and the patriot was listed as $425.70
.It comes in .177-1170fps,.22-920fps and .25 at 820fps
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Steroid Streak/Supermax 1000

Msg. 112117  Posted by Mac1 on May 16, 1999 at 16:16:11:

In Reply to: who makes the " steriod streak " amp; Supermax 1000? posted by Casey on May 12, 1999 at 14:02:16:

The Steroid's are my permutation of the USA made Sheridan/Benjamin rifles. The SuperMax 1000 is made in China. The Importer has a limited number of Mac-1 prepped guns for those who like preventative dealer prep. The Warranty work for the Supermax is available thru Mac1.
Later

Tim

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Re: Patriot

Msg. 112116  Posted by cesar d on May 16, 1999 at 16:16:05:

In Reply to: Patriot posted by Bryan on May 15, 1999 at 23:03:15:

Does $465.00 for a Beeman Kodiak .25 sound cheap to you??
thanks
Cesar d

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Re: 2260 Mac-1 Style ... Stay tuned, there's more to come, I hope.

Msg. 112115  Posted by ProfHoff on May 16, 1999 at 16:14:38:

In Reply to: 2260 Mac-1 Style posted by Mac1 on May 16, 1999 at 15:35:07:

Yesterday I ordered a Mac1 (and ld) improved Crosman 2289 that will be sporting some of the modifications listed in his 2260 post above. If it's a success -- and I'm sure it will be -- perhaps we can encourage the Mac1 dynamic duo to come up with a full-house 2289 with a grooved brass breech-block. Let's hear it from the 22 cal pumper gang.

Regards,

ProfHoff
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Cam Adjust.

Msg. 112114  Posted by Mac1 on May 16, 1999 at 16:06:30:

In Reply to: Re: Can Adjust. posted by jcbii on May 14, 1999 at 21:52:17:

It can be tricky to get some tension on some guns. Try taking one of the screws out and pushing the can under the plate forward while you tighten the screw. Make sure the bolt handle is halfway thru travel when you do this. If it doesn't work try the other screw. I know it is a pain to do but with some guns it is the only way you'll get any cam engagemant at all. The factory certainly doesn't bother to make sure the bolt cams home. the recent production has been changed so this is no longer a proble after I pointed it out in Feb at the shot show to the manufacturing engineer. Thety have made many small changes to the gun since our sit down.
Later

Tim

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Thanks for the help everyone n.t.

Msg. 112113  Posted by Huck on May 16, 1999 at 15:58:11:

In Reply to: Re: Setting -up of vertical cross-hair posted by Joey on May 16, 1999 at 09:37:51:

n.t.
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Re: Availability of Air Arms Guns.

Msg. 112112  Posted by Paul on May 16, 1999 at 15:53:20:

In Reply to: Availability of Air Arms Guns. posted by Dan B. on May 15, 1999 at 19:04:10:

Dan,
I ordered a TX200 from Jim M. last Monday and it arrived via UPS on Thursday(I live near Erie,PA).
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Re: Thud Box.

Msg. 112111  Posted by Ron B on May 16, 1999 at 15:47:09:

In Reply to: Re: Thud Box. posted by Don S on May 16, 1999 at 15:23:55:

Don,

My brother rolled down the 'offside window of his van and 'popped' a skunk with a .357 loaded with .38 Specials. The muzzle was still in the van.

It was more than painfully loud. I didn't have to comment how he should have at least put the gun out the window.

Ron
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160's

Msg. 112110  Posted by Mac1 on May 16, 1999 at 15:46:02:

In Reply to: Crosman 160 - What to look for... posted by Scott Carter on May 14, 1999 at 13:39:11:

I haven't ever seen the legendary cross bolt 160. I think Lou may be thinking of the 180 or 400. The 160 trigger block model which is the one the QB's are a knockoff of is the desireable one. They were fetching over $150 when we released the QB77 at $130. Auto Safety models with the crude non-adjust trigger are common and less desireable. You also need to look for rifling. Hopefully it has some. Crosman barrels ran the full spectrum from garbage to great. Crap shoot I'm afraid. I think the Sears models with dovetails are the best. Sears always got the cream of the Crosman production.
Later

Tim

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2260 Mac-1 Style

Msg. 112109  Posted by Mac1 on May 16, 1999 at 15:35:07:

I just got done with my first 2260 where I pull all the corks and go for the max. For Mr. Bulk of course. The gun is altered significantly from stock. First the valve is modified to use the steroid stem which has no piercing pin. This requires a Bulk CO2 hangy tank to function and it is permannently fixed in verticle fashion for guaranteed vapor flow to the valve. Besides the usual extended bolt probe, reworked chamber and crown this barrel gets the custom breech seal and ld oval exhaust port. At 70 degrees this baby pumps out over 675 with hobby pellets and 550 w/ kodiaks in .22 for almost 15 ft' lbs. Not bad for a gun with a plastic breech. But of course ours doesn't leak. The 2260 is going for $120 for the basic gun with bolt and barrel mods. Add the steriod valve and custom breech seal and barrel port treatment for $45. This also neccesitates the bulk fill system incuding one tank for $65. Total package delivered would be $237.50.
Later

Tim
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qadas.comRe: Dave: you are still World Class

Msg. 112108  Posted by Dave Plemmons on May 16, 1999 at 15:25:44:

In Reply to: Dave: you are still World Class posted by RBest on May 16, 1999 at 01:26:49:

Thanks for your kind words Russ ...But I don't know
Ole Father time takes his due. Now I just wish I
could shoot a air gun as well as you do...and if I
could I would be off to shooting in FT's trying to
win some awards in that? From what I hear you can
shoot a pistol better than most of do rifles.
Dave
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Re: Thud Box.

Msg. 112107  Posted by Don S on May 16, 1999 at 15:23:55:

In Reply to: There is no distinction legally. posted by RBest on May 16, 1999 at 00:56:50:

Ever heard of a "thud box", Russ. Someone who lives in the hills of Kentucky says its a pickup truck with a topper filled with insulation except for a small rifle hole in the middle. Used down there to poach deer...I guess if they see these posts the named will be changed to "moderator box".................Take Care
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600 and Mark 1 Specs

Msg. 112106  Posted by Mac1 on May 16, 1999 at 15:21:19:

In Reply to: Chrony Crosman 600 and Mark 1? posted by Ross on May 16, 1999 at 02:45:00:

Guns vary a lot from the dogs to the sweet ones but the stocker 600's are usually in the 350-400 Range and the stock MKI's run from 400-450. In modified form both can exceed 550 with valve work plus longer barrels.
Later

Tim

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Re: Beeman R-1 .20 cal amp; .177 cal with Theoben Gas Ram

Msg. 112105  Posted by anderld on May 16, 1999 at 15:12:30:

In Reply to: Beeman R-1 .20 cal amp; .177 cal with Theoben Gas Ram posted by Tom Jue/ca/usa on May 16, 1999 at 12:40:51:

tom, I get those same groups at point blank, like I said I need help. seriously though, even though I get the best velocity from the 20 cal h&n match (not counting lasers or silver bears, both in the 880-900fps range) they also prove to be the least accurate. my 10 yd groups with cps (695fps) I can usually keep under 3/8", with c.mags (750fps) 5/16-1/2", h&ns (860fps) usually 1" but they sure make pretty holes. tried three different tins, but results were same. maybe added speed equal added recoil equal poorer groups in my case.

larry
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Airgun Targets...

Msg. 112104  Posted by SniperCX on May 16, 1999 at 15:10:13:

hi all, i wanna know some of your favorite targets. especially printrable ones. possibly animals n such
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Burris Eccentric offset amp; rotation adjustment tools advice

Msg. 112103  Posted by vZc on May 16, 1999 at 14:57:56:

Seeking scope boresight alignment tips using Burris Eccentric offset & rotation tools.

Initial combination of 10" & 20" offsets corrected vertical barrel droop & 35m near zero bias.

About 2.5 min of windage is required for zero.
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vZc volocity of RWS 48/.20 cal

Msg. 112102  Posted by Jeff on May 16, 1999 at 14:53:08:

In Reply to: CAUTION : Benjamin Sheridan 20 cal pellets in RWS 48 - .20 cal ... posted by vZc on May 15, 1999 at 23:37:36:

vZc have you chronoed your 48/.20 yet? If so what are you getting out of the gun, what pellets?
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Re: Washing Primiers?

Msg. 112101  Posted by AHH on May 16, 1999 at 14:51:28:

In Reply to: Re: Washing Primiers? posted by LOU V.K. on May 15, 1999 at 11:49:47:

Lou,

Could you give some further detail about your washing process? You indicated you use a "very strong degreaser" -- what brand do you use and where do you get it? Additionally, you indicated that you "coat {your pellets} with some substance which is compatible with the power plant of the air gun" -- I have a TX 200, what "substance" would you recommend as compatible with its power system and again where would I purchase it? I think I have the boiling water and blow drying under control!! AL
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Re: Quick Test

Msg. 112100  Posted by Jeff Guinan on May 16, 1999 at 14:46:12:

In Reply to: Pest control, hunting, or just killing? posted by ToddN on May 16, 1999 at 05:45:00:

If I wouldn't want my wife or kids watching me kill a particular creature, I probably shouldn't be killing it. Or if I feel a little sheepish telling the men at the office that I spent the weekend killing sparrows, I probably should find other quarry - like rats.
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Re: Burgulars and Alarm Systems, Persona

Msg. 112099  Posted by Ron B on May 16, 1999 at 14:37:56:

In Reply to: Re: Burgulars and Alarm Systems, Persona posted by tom on May 16, 1999 at 13:27:39:

I have a friend who lives in the country and was broken into several times. The burgular alarm let the law enforcement folks know they would be writing a report.

This stopped when she put an alarm if not turned off would trip either pepper spray or tear gas. After the first trip, she had no more break-ins.

Ron
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This may help

Msg. 112098  Posted by Whitewolf on May 16, 1999 at 14:34:46:

In Reply to: .22 kodiak/Patriot barrels posted by Pel-it on May 15, 1999 at 23:01:42:

Try roger at GVR Enterprises in Edmonton AB he may have some but I can't say for sure.

E-mail rmackay@null.null
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Re: You guys are not out of place. Your where it all started! nt

Msg. 112097  Posted by Johnny O. on May 16, 1999 at 14:28:50:

In Reply to: Re: Ya beat me. posted by ProfHoff on May 16, 1999 at 14:17:37:

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Re: Who We Are?

Msg. 112096  Posted by Bubba on May 16, 1999 at 14:20:16:

In Reply to: Who We Are? posted by Ron on May 14, 1999 at 10:39:24:

Bubba is a nickname, and the name I chose to use on the web. There was already a Dan here. My name is Dan Hankins. I am a 53 year old marine surveyor. I have worked for a large corporation doing cargo and hull survey, and when they downsized about 3 years ago, I hung out my shingle. My main focus is currently condition and valuation surveys for individuals wishing to insure, or finance a boat/yacht. I also do damage surveys, and some commercial craft, and vessel recovery, in the mid-west.

I started with a crossman 760, that I found at a flea market about 2years ago, and then went to a Chinese underlever, then to a EL gammo 440, and then to HW/Beeman and FWB stuff. Mostly a paper puncher, I have a pistol silhoutte range in the back yard, along with a shooting bench, and 25yd targets. I love having my friends over for a shoot, especially when I prevail in the contest. I have been rewarded with acquaintences all over the country, due to my participation in this forum. Little Rock was really fun, meeting and talking with some of the other addicts that I have spoken with on the web. Gotta shoot a POS match pistol and rifle, and Mark Lowinski's match is due by midnight tonight.

Respectfully,
Bubba/Dan Hankins

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Re: Ya beat me.

Msg. 112095  Posted by ProfHoff on May 16, 1999 at 14:17:37:

In Reply to: Who We Are posted by L Hart on May 16, 1999 at 14:01:16:

Mr. Hart,

Until today, I thought I might be the oldest (coot) who posts on the AGLForum. Welcone (back) to the sport. As we seniors can appreciate, love is better the second time around.

Regards,

ProfHoff
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Re: pellets for BSA super 10?

Msg. 112094  Posted by MR Bulk� on May 16, 1999 at 14:02:39:

In Reply to: Re: pellets for BSA super 10? posted by Jim C. on May 16, 1999 at 01:25:24:

Jim,

Will you please STOP it? Between you and the new, lighter Super 10 Sporter stock, I've been walking around these past few days with my wallet halfway outta my pocket!

Not that there's anything IN the wallet...

MR Bulk�


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Who We Are

Msg. 112093  Posted by L Hart on May 16, 1999 at 14:01:16:

I feel kind of out of place with you young wippersnappers here. I am 71 and retired from 30 years with IBM as a computer tech. I got my first 22 when I was eleven and on occasion carried it to a two room school to hunt on the way home. This was during the depression and a rabbit or squirrel always went into the pot. We moved to town when I was 15 and this was the first time we had electricity or a bathroom in the house. I have shoot muzzleloaders for last 25 years and just got into adult air guns two years ago.
LH n TX

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Re: Benjamin HB22 vs. Crosman 2289. What do you think?

Msg. 112092  Posted by Don S on May 16, 1999 at 13:40:12:

In Reply to: Re: Benjamin HB22 vs. Crosman 2289. What do you think? posted by Quack on May 16, 1999 at 08:36:09:

Thanks for the support, Quack. I have access to 20 acres of tall old buildings that are filled with pidgeons..Hoping not to hurt the delicate heart of some, I'll tell it like it is: My 1377 .177 cal will kill circles around the HB22...The key on pidgeons is to shoot for the base of the neck...But even this doesn't work well for the 22.
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Re: Burgulars and Alarm Systems, Persona

Msg. 112091  Posted by tom on May 16, 1999 at 13:27:39:

In Reply to: Re: Burgulars and Alarm Systems, Personal Experiences posted by JB on May 16, 1999 at 12:05:42:

i got robbed years ago while living in a condo. the neighbor upstairs was home, and the crooks came in via a patio door that was easily seen from the street. nevertheless, they got away with it. i'll never be without an alarm system and a safe again.
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Re: Try this:

Msg. 112090  Posted by mark on May 16, 1999 at 13:22:41:

In Reply to: Try this: posted by Bill L on May 16, 1999 at 08:12:31:

No still doesnt work, says page contains no data. its the only one that does it.
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Re: Brad . . .a question

Msg. 112089  Posted by Brad/NE on May 16, 1999 at 12:57:04:

In Reply to: Brad . . .a question posted by Rich/MN on May 16, 1999 at 00:15:27:

Rich, In Nebraska 4-H Shooting Sports most kids start learning
on Daisy 717 or 747 because of cost. Our club provides the pistols.
At our state match you will see from Steyr LP1P down to Crosman pumps.
It still boils down to ability and skill. We allow shooters under
the age of 14 to use both hands because of the size and weight of
the pistols. The Daisy pnuematics do very well. But we have no state
rule that says no CO2 or PCP pistols thats up to the individual state
to decide. Your state may have put that rule in to avoid an equipment
race and to keep competition even, a good idea. On the Daisy pistols
the 717 is heavier because of the brass compression tube under the
barrel, the 747 uses an aluminum tube and is lighter. Also for small
hands order the left hand grips and use the two halves with out the
thumbrests makes for a nice small grip. You can also do a good trigger
job on them that helps alot even the 747. More info than you wanted,
but thought it might help. Any other questions?
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Beeman R-1 .20 cal amp; .177 cal with Theoben Gas Ram

Msg. 112088  Posted by Tom Jue/ca/usa on May 16, 1999 at 12:40:51:

In Reply to: Re: Beeman RX-1 Accuracy Problems posted by anderld on May 16, 1999 at 03:49:22:

Yup, the next time I'm up, we'll focus on our gas rams. We were so busy tinkering with the Careers last time that we didn't have much time for the gas rams. I would like to take a closer look at your Beeman .20 cal R-1 with the Gas Ram installed by Dave Slade of Airgunwerk.

US AIRGUN - STEPHEN R. GIBBONS
I looked up some figures on it. In the Jan/Feb 98 issue of US Airgun, Stephen R. Gibbons tested Beeman R-1 Gas Spring Conversion Kit S.#1370717 with a Carbine Barrel. The heavy 14.3 grain .20 cal Crosman Premiers performs very well as it approaches 770 fps. I recall this was similar to what you were getting.

Pellet, Weight, Energy, M.V. (fps)
Beeman Kodiaks, 13.32, 17.4, 767 fps
Marksman FTS, 11.2, 19.61, 888 fps
Crosman Premiers, 14.3, 18.83, 770 fps

For accuracy at 47 yards with an average of TEN 5-shot groups (man alive, this extensive testing took a lot of work�)

Pellet, Ten Shot Group
Beeman Kodiaks - 1 inch
Marksman FTS - 1.5 inch
Crosman Premiers - 3/4 inch

3/4 inch at 47 yards is outstanding for Crosman Premiers. Rick Johnson tells me that these Beeman R-1's with Gas Rams are also deadly accurate.

Stephen does an excellent job here in presenting the public with realistic group sizes. Almost anyone (including me..) can get a lucky tight 5-shot group here and there. An average of ten 5-shot groups is much more realistic and representative of a rifle's accuracy performance.

RICK JOHNSON'S TESTING OF THE .20 CAL R-1 WITH THEOBEN GAS RAM
I bring this article up (hopefully I didn't infringe on any copyright here�) as Rick Johnson sent me statistics he shot on 5/6/98 with the Beeman "R-1 w/ Theoben Gas Piston on Oehler 35." His .20 cal rifle's performance was also very impressive:

Kodiaks, 13.32, 749 fps
Crosman Premiers, 14.3, 759 fps
Crow Magnums, 12.8, 800 fps
Silver Jets, 11.21, 877 fps

The eye opener is the Beeman Silver Jets at 877 fps. If this is an accurate pellet in the R-1, this could be a heck of a combination for flat shooting at 50 yards.

.177 CAL BEEMAN R-1 WITH GAS RAM
The performance this same setup in .177 is also worth noting. Rick Johnson did the following testing on 5/15/98 (thought I didn't read this stuff, huh Rick�). The muzzle energy was slightly high in most all cases. It was spittin out heavy .177 cal, 10.6 grain Kodiaks at 862 fps, registering 18.68 ft. lbs!

Pellet, weight, fps
Beeman Kodiak, 10.60, 862 fps
Silver Jet, 8.39, 977 fps
Crow Magnum, 8.8, 963 fps
H&N Match, 8.09, 1041

He didn't test the 7.9 grain Crosman Premier lites, but the H&N Match at 8.09 grain is pretty close and was firing at 1041 fps! This should appeal to a lot of .177 cal long distance field shooters.

Happy shooting,
Tom Jue/ca/usa

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Re: Pest control, hunting, or just killing?

Msg. 112087  Posted by Anestis on May 16, 1999 at 12:13:13:

In Reply to: Re: Pest control, hunting, or just killing? posted by MikeZ on May 16, 1999 at 10:09:58:

I agree that many people LIKE to kill.But no man is so hungry to kill 4 or 5 tiny birds for food.
However i can't accept the act of just living the birds rot.If you kill something you MUST eat it. Unless it is a rat that eats the eggs in your hencoop.
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Re: Burgulars and Alarm Systems, Personal Experiences

Msg. 112086  Posted by JB on May 16, 1999 at 12:05:42:

In Reply to: Re: Burgulars and Alarm Systems, Personal Experiences posted by Ken Hildebrand on May 16, 1999 at 11:32:53:

Ken, Martin, you're right. Both a security system and a safe or hidden gun closet are both good ideas. A security system can be as simple or complex as you want. I live in what I consider to be a very safe area, but still thought a simple system would not be a bad idea. I installed a simple system for around $200 and it works great. Very pleased with it for the two years I've had it. A safe is well worth the peace of mind it provides, if you can afford one. If not, a hidden gun closet is simple to build. Just takes a little time away from your shooting, but at least you will have your guns to shoot for years to come.
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Re: Who We Are?

Msg. 112085  Posted by Scubablizz on May 16, 1999 at 12:00:20:

In Reply to: Who We Are? posted by Ron on May 14, 1999 at 10:39:24:

Hi:
35 year old Mining Engineer, married 5 years to a special lady, RN. I have a 2.5 year old darling girl and a two week old baby boy (need an airgun) ;-)
Live in Arizona. Hobbies include Bow hunting, scuba diving, airguns, and Ultralights. Just learning to fly the ultralights.
http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/Rapids/1168

ps: I'm not really a redneck!
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Re: Burgulars and Alarm Systems, Personal Experiences

Msg. 112084  Posted by Ken Hildebrand on May 16, 1999 at 11:32:53:

In Reply to: Burgulars and Alarm Systems, Personal Experiences posted by MartinL on May 16, 1999 at 11:15:11:

Martin... Sorry about your loss!

I also suggest a good secure hiding place for your guns and other valuables, like a hidden gun cab.null in a hidden room or false wall. Lots of wasted space between wall joists; camouflage with a full-length wall mirror that can be opened out like a door.

I also use a smaller gun cab.null (I ran out of room
and had to buy a bigger one!) that is bolted to a wall inside a closet; kind of a decoy. I keep the beaters and less valuable stuff in this one.

Stay Safe, shoot straight, and have fun!

Ken
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Burgulars and Alarm Systems, Personal Experiences

Msg. 112083  Posted by MartinL on May 16, 1999 at 11:15:11:

I posted this in a message below and thought it deserved a post of it's own here. Everybody here are friends to me, so I felt the need to express the feelings over the loss of my collection some 12 months ago. I quickly got myself an alarm system. Anyway please read and ponder. An ounce of precaution.......ml

BTW, I would urge anyone with a collection they would really miss to invest in a burgular alarm system. These alarms may not
actually rally police quickly if you live in the country, but the sound and the yard signs are a definite deturrent to someone casing
a neighborhood. Your life hardly gets back to normal following the sight of a wrecked house and a busted window, and the
memory of what used to be my collection. Besides you sleep better knowing the alarm is there to awaken you to an intruder.

Just my feelings on the matter..ml
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Re: Missing stop pin in Burris # 420556: where is it normally packed ? nt.

Msg. 112082  Posted by Sligh on May 16, 1999 at 11:13:29:

In Reply to: Missing stop pin in Burris # 420556: where is it normally packed ? nt. posted by vZc on May 16, 1999 at 10:21:53:

I had to call Natchez on every order of Burris rings to get the stop pin. Later, Sligh
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Re: What if I just want a moderator, not a silencer? Any legal hassles? (NT)

Msg. 112081  Posted by Wyatt Hurtz on May 16, 1999 at 11:13:19:

In Reply to: Re: What if I just want a moderator, not a silencer? Any legal hassles? (NT) posted by Tuff Schotz on May 16, 1999 at 00:46:05:

Any sane person should be prepared and strive for self-reliance, whether its Y2K, earth-quakes, floods, tornadoes, short- and long-term power outages due to thunderstorms or snow-storms, or a visit from your mother-in-law.

People should be prepared ALL the time, not just because of some shortsighted computer gliche.

Keep your pellets and powder dry !

Wyatt
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Re: It's supposed to be hotter: 24 .31 ft-lbs per AirGunExpress

Msg. 112080  Posted by MartinL on May 16, 1999 at 11:09:53:

In Reply to: It's supposed to be hotter: 24 .31 ft-lbs per AirGunExpress posted by vZc on May 13, 1999 at 21:14:14:

Mine is getting better, I can tell by it's response,, shooting many pellets seems to improve them. I presently have a check in the mail to JM for his GSI kit and will be very excited to see what the results of that mod does for me. I am mostly happy with the action and accuracy I get with my "stock 48" and have adjusted to it's recoil. I owned a 48 in .177 for a couple of years before burgulars decided they wanted it so my memories of hold and follow through came back quickly.

I will try and get some new numbers on the chrono after some more shooting. The worry I have today is that my CP pellet supply will run out before my Mac-1 order comes in. The 48 likes those, especially die #2.

BTW, I would urge anyone with a collection they would really miss to invest in a burgular alarm system. These alarms may not actually rally police quickly if you live in the country, but the sound and the yard signs are a definite deturrent to someone casing a neighborhood. Your life hardly gets back to normal following the sight of a wrecked house and a busted window, and the memory of what used to be my collection. Besides you sleep better knowing the alarm is there to awaken you to an intruder.

Just my feelings on the matter..ml
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Tasco Scope

Msg. 112079  Posted by Len Sawyer on May 16, 1999 at 11:01:15:

Hi
I am thinking about getting a Tasco Scope. The one i am interested in is the 8-40X56 mm . Has anyone seen these or used one ? Does this scope have a multiple aim point system? I have not comitted to this yet but would like info if anyone has any. Thanks
Len Sawyer
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" The UPS Jitters " Yea, I know that feelin'!(nt)

Msg. 112078  Posted by MartinL on May 16, 1999 at 10:54:26:

In Reply to: Re: Availability of Air Arms Guns. posted by Daveyg on May 15, 1999 at 23:44:41:

x
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On the exuberance of (renewed) youth:

Msg. 112077  Posted by ProfHoff on May 16, 1999 at 10:46:56:

I notice that the AGLForum tolerates excited ramblings of newbies. So I thought I'd share a few of my own. As the bored among you already know, I'm really keen on my little 22 cal Crosman 2289. I've shortened the stock to accommodate the shorter eye relief of a high-quality rimfire scope. I must have gotten lucky, because my rifle is pretty accurate. I'm able to consistently shoot 3/4" groups at 30 yards. In its own right, it's almost as much fun as my Maccari TX-200.

As you may know, the trigger pull on the 2289 is terrible. I corresponded with Tim at Mac-1 and decided to have him make me a revised 2289 -- rather than sending mine in for a tune. It's my goal to own at least one rifle that has been in the hands of a master airgunsmith. I hope both Tim and ld have input into my project because (as I have learned from the AGLForum) they have a well-deserved, excellent reputation. BTW, can't we get ld back? I miss his no-nonsense style. Anyway, I can't wait to get the product of their efforts.

I've asked that my new rifle have a longer barrel and the trigger/bolt/breech modifications I first read about here. I sure wish someone (Mac-1, are you listening?) could come up with a brass breech block for the rifle that could be grooved for a scope.

Question: Why can't Crosman produce a premium Backpacker like their line of Ben/Sher rifles? I bet it would sell well at twice the price.

Enough enthusiasm for now. I'll report more when the new gun arrives.

Regards,

ProfHoff
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Yeah, but this is not what i had in mind

Msg. 112076  Posted by Pavel Podvoiski on May 16, 1999 at 10:40:21:

In Reply to: We already have a search engine! Link inside. posted by The Airgun Letter on May 16, 1999 at 08:36:31:

Reference library very small compared by volume to forum.

I want search thru all forum postings. Several times when i had question i was sure it was answered somewhere in all this hundreds of messages. Scanning thru all messages in 2 last weeks is above my ability!
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Thank you for answering my super10 pellet question.

Msg. 112075  Posted by Anestis on May 16, 1999 at 10:31:35:

Thank yoy all, i hope i also help you on some other matter.
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Re: Pro Elite

Msg. 112074  Posted by Mark on May 16, 1999 at 10:27:48:

In Reply to: Pro Elite posted by Kurt on May 16, 1999 at 09:54:54:

Here it is but remember to have your wallet or CC card ready. YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED!!!!

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Re: Pest control, hunting, or just killing?

Msg. 112073  Posted by Ron B on May 16, 1999 at 10:24:13:

In Reply to: Pest control, hunting, or just killing? posted by ToddN on May 16, 1999 at 05:45:00:

Todd,

I agree. I live in an area where our greatest 'pest' problem is feral animals no longer wanted by the 'city folk'. The neighbors call and mention if they have a new dog, or have seen a dog asking 'who does it belong to?' When that happens, the dogs days are numbered. It usually isn't a large one.

Skunks in the daytime and cats without collars usually wander into bits of lead. Coyotes, I leave alone, unless a neighbor is having problems.

After a house fire in 1966, squirrels in range of the house tend to have a short life expectancy. Bluejays are tolerated till they show signs of fruit destruction.

In the fall, I have free reign of some of the local pecan orchards. I usually start with an airgun and finish the day with a HV firearm.

But English Sparrows........ I gotta go, I see one now.

Ron
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Missing stop pin in Burris # 420556: where is it normally packed ? nt.

Msg. 112072  Posted by vZc on May 16, 1999 at 10:21:53:

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EXD Engineering Vertical Reticle Instrument (Brownells # 289-100-000)

Msg. 112071  Posted by vZc on May 16, 1999 at 10:12:30:

In Reply to: Setting -up of vertical cross-hair posted by Huck on May 16, 1999 at 07:12:42:

Use sku # as search argument.

Which rifle do you have (picture) & no scope rail ?

I 'm working on this problem & Email me for further updates.

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Re: Pest control, hunting, or just killing?

Msg. 112070  Posted by MikeZ on May 16, 1999 at 10:09:58:

In Reply to: Pest control, hunting, or just killing? posted by ToddN on May 16, 1999 at 05:45:00:

Todd: I think the mere popping birds off wires and tree branches are just killing. Well not JUST killing but a way to see the effect of 21 ft-lb of the guns output. Pest control? There is a better way to handle it like.nullting or keeping the food out of sight. Hunting? Nope, more people don't eat what they kill, they just let them rot. Hate the say it but I think killing is the main reason.

I admit that I do occasionally pop 1 or 2 pest birds off the tree. I average about 2 birds a month. I thing excessive killing just because they are PEST species reflects one thing - the shooting has the killing instinct.

MikeZ
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Re: What if I just want a moderator, not a silencer? Any legal hassles? (NT)

Msg. 112069  Posted by Jim M on May 16, 1999 at 10:00:08:

In Reply to: What if I just want a moderator, not a silencer? Any legal hassles? (NT) posted by jeff Guinan on May 15, 1999 at 23:44:36:

You might want to check out the rec.guns FAQ on
the subject of silencers at the attached URL

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Pro Elite

Msg. 112068  Posted by Kurt on May 16, 1999 at 09:54:54:

I have several airgun's and one never has too many of those right? I was wondering if anybody has a site that show's the pro-elite and super sport, Thanks :-)
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Re: Setting -up of vertical cross-hair

Msg. 112067  Posted by Joey on May 16, 1999 at 09:37:51:

In Reply to: Re: Setting -up of vertical cross-hair posted by Don S. on May 16, 1999 at 08:29:13:


This is something you can try. if you have a gun vise,lay it on the table.make sure you level this fist using any levelyou can(the longer the better).now place the gun with the mounts into the vise,and put the level onto the top of the mount.( the top of the mount is removed,just the bottom is attached to the gun) turn the gun intill its level.Placae the scope into the mounts and put the top of the mounts on,turn in the screws just a little so you can rotate the scope by hand.There is usally a flat spot on top of the scope you can put the level ( I have many size levels to use from 2" to 4 Feet) rotate the scope untill its level ,then slowly tighten the screws keeping an eye on the level, sometimes you can see the level go out as you tighten this up. Dont kill the screws! Now the gun ,scope are level.Take the gun and shoulder it with your eyes closed! when it feels right open you eyes . You should see perfect alignment. IF you need to rotate the scope a little you can,but you are probably canting the gun.This is only my way doesnt mean its right ,but has worked for me.Take care Joey
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Re: crossman pellet rifle

Msg. 112066  Posted by PAL on May 16, 1999 at 09:35:30:

In Reply to: crossman pellet rifle posted by Loren on May 16, 1999 at 00:20:07:

Look in the resources or Web links.

Mac-1 fixes them and might sell you parts:

http://www.mindspring.com/~airguns/

Also Dave's Airgun Service he posts here too, as DAS. He usually puts his homepage URL in his posts.

Paul
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Re: Patriot

Msg. 112065  Posted by Ron on May 16, 1999 at 09:27:30:

In Reply to: Patriot posted by Bryan on May 15, 1999 at 23:03:15:

Pyramyd Air has Patriots for somewhat less, plus good deals on accessories. You'll also find more selections in the Webley line and accessories than Cabela's.
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Re: Why

Msg. 112064  Posted by The Airgun Letter on May 16, 1999 at 09:23:39:

In Reply to: Re: Why posted by Billy on May 15, 1999 at 20:08:15:

You wrote:
In response to Edith's post, you never did answer about what became of ignoring posts and posters that offended you....
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Actually, I did answer the question - but I'll do it again. I have NOT told people to ignore posts that offended them. The poster who was GETTING nasty, rude and insulting responses to his postings was VZC. People could not understand his postings. VZC's postings were NOT rude. I was telling those who responded with undue rudeness that they should just ignore VZC's postings if they didn't understand the concise terminology he used in his postings. I also did not understand a good bit of what VZC was posting; but instead of responding with insulting messages, I chose to ignore the posts and respond to those that I did understand. If someone wants a response, they'll have to word it in such that others can comprehend the question. If you don't know what a guy is asking, why would you answer him? Just for the sake of being rude?

In a nutshell: I was saying for people to ignore VZC's postings, which were not offensive in any way. I was telling those respondants who posted offensive replies to stop that type of posting. No one should be assaulted with insulting, threatening, attacking or denigrating posts on this forum. The people whom I've banned in the past were the ones who repeatedly and insistently posted those types of messages.
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You also wrote:
It also seems that Mr. Gaylord could share his expertise here. Has he chosen not to....
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When we started our Web site, it was our agreement that Tom would not have to get involved in the Inte.null. And when I put up the Airgun Forum, he again reaffirmed that I would take care of everything.

Nevertheless, I will see if I can get Tom to answer more questions on the Inte.null. Tom eschews electronic interaction, which is anything that's not in person. I can't even get him to regularly use the drive-in window at the bank - he insists on going in to the bank and seeing the teller eye-to-eye. But I'll see if I can get him to post more frequently on the Airgun Forum. Sometimes, he tells me what answer to post; but since he's not sitting here dictating the words to me or I'm writing his info in my own response, I use my name. In about 35% of the cases, answers posted under my name were actually provided by Tom. But I didn't want to mislead anyone into thinking that Tom did the posting himself.

Edith Gaylord
The Airgun Letter
staff@null.null
http://www.airgunletter.null
http://www.airgunletter.com

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We already have a search engine! Link inside.

Msg. 112063  Posted by The Airgun Letter on May 16, 1999 at 08:36:31:

In Reply to: Why not to setup AGL forum search engine? posted by Pavel Podvoiski on May 15, 1999 at 20:44:05:

You wrote:
Why not to setup AGL forum search engine?
It will be a great help and will reduce amount of questions asked over and over again.
Yes, there is FAQ but when i have some question i don't want to scan Q&A's, -- computer can do it much faster!
I think HotBot or Excite may provide such service for sites even if their ISP do not.
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Have you checked out the URL linked below? The search engine for the reference library has been in place for well over a year.

Edith Gaylord
The Airgun Letter
staff@null.null
http://www.airgunletter.null
http://www.airgunletter.com

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Re: Benjamin HB22 vs. Crosman 2289. What do you think?

Msg. 112062  Posted by Quack on May 16, 1999 at 08:36:09:

In Reply to: Re: Benjamin HB22 vs. Crosman 2289. What do you think? posted by Don S on May 16, 1999 at 06:25:33:

I agree with you Don, at this low of energy, you should consider the greater p.nullration of a smaller diameter pellet such as the .177. What ever you do, try to get either gun from MAC-1 and spend a little extra to get them to do at least a trigger job on it. It will be well worth it. Hope this helps, Quack

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Re: Setting -up of vertical cross-hair

Msg. 112061  Posted by Don S. on May 16, 1999 at 08:29:13:

In Reply to: Setting -up of vertical cross-hair posted by Huck on May 16, 1999 at 07:12:42:

This is a problem that has plagued many...Without giving you and answer, let me say something on consequences..........A scope mounted 1.75 inches above the center of the bore is rotated LEFT out of plumb 5 degrees [a little over 1/8 of an inch..It is zeroed at 50 yrds_________At that point the pellet begins to cross over to the right and will be 5 degrees to the RIGHT at 100 yds; or again a little over 1/8 of an inch______This is all very rough because there are many other factors____But knowing the approximate consequences I just set them by eyeball as best as I can and then not worry about it.
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Try this:

Msg. 112060  Posted by Bill L on May 16, 1999 at 08:12:31:

In Reply to: Mac-1 airguns posted by Mark on May 16, 1999 at 03:14:14:

NT

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Setting -up of vertical cross-hair

Msg. 112056  Posted by Huck on May 16, 1999 at 07:12:42:

Hi,I used to use the Segway Reticle Leveler to setup the vertical cross-hair on my scope.This worked good when using a one-piece mount,as the guage sat on the flat part of the mount,so that the vertical c-hair was setup at 90degrees to the receiver.Now if I use a two- piece mount, I won't be able to use this guage,as there is no flat on the rifle,near the scope to go from.What's a good way to adjust for this?.thanks
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Re: Benjamin HB22 vs. Crosman 2289. What do you think?

Msg. 112055  Posted by Don S on May 16, 1999 at 06:25:33:

In Reply to: Benjamin HB22 vs. Crosman 2289. What do you think? posted by thorin brown on May 16, 1999 at 00:36:52:

I own a HB22 and it came with an intolerable trigger pull. I did my own tune on it but wish I had had Mac-1 to do it because I'm sure I can't do it as well as he does_____I'm sure to get an objection to this but it is from quite a bit of experience: When it comes to hunting with pistols of this velocity class the .177 cal is better because it has signifcantly greater p.nullration due to its smaller diameter. Airgunners talk about energy comparison and I fully agree that the .22 in the same model of a pistol delivers higher energy. It will not, however, deliver greater p.nullration_____I also have an old model 1377 that is factory rated at 510 fps with 7.9's. My test show about 50% greater p.nullration with comparable pellets than the .22.
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Pest control, hunting, or just killing?

Msg. 112054  Posted by ToddN on May 16, 1999 at 05:45:00:

I get a little bothered when I read posts about the
flippant killing of so called 'pest' species
of birds; people out on strolls with gun in tow
picking off a bird simply 'cause they're of this or
that species.
That's a nest-robber, gotta get that one.
That specie's a nuisance and just plain old
noisy, think I'll shoot a couple of them. Or, God
help the pigeons that land in my yard.
To me, this type of casual killing is neither hunting
nor bona-fide pest control.
Instead I can't help thinking that it's just killing
for the sake of killing; to see the dramatic effects of a new
toy or new brand of pellet on a living thing; 'fun'
target practice.
If I'm talking about you, think about it and
honestly evaluate your use of airguns against animals.
I don't think occasionally downing a 'pest' species
is immoral or makes one a bad person, or even frequently
doing so, but it doesn't seem right or conscientious.
Animals chiefly should be shot as part of a serious
pest control effort or in hunting for the pot.
What say you?

Todd Nothstine
ps enjoyed reading your 'autobiographies! :)

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Re: CP question

Msg. 112053  Posted by anderld on May 16, 1999 at 04:22:47:

In Reply to: CP question posted by Mike Adams on May 16, 1999 at 00:31:12:

in airgun digest 3rd ed various pellets in the different cals were tested using the same power plant. the tests were conducted only to a range of 10 yds, and results showed the 20 cal cp was the best at maintaining down range velocity of all pellets tested. the 22 cal cp left the barrel 55fps faster than the 20cal. does anyone have any data on the efficiency of the heavy korean pellants?
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Re: Beeman RX-1 Accuracy Problems

Msg. 112052  Posted by anderld on May 16, 1999 at 03:49:22:

In Reply to: Beeman RX-1 Accuracy Problems posted by Tom Jue/ca/usa on May 15, 1999 at 23:01:48:

thomas, next time you're up we'll have to shoot the springers (or is it rammers?) as I need much practice. I never have been able to get consistant with the R1 especially when off the bench.

how's the job?

do you owe me any cash from the lotto?

take it easy, larry
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Re: Yeah, and you won't spend much money on it, except for clubs, fees, carts...caddies,balls, and on and on (nt)

Msg. 112051  Posted by Wayne on May 16, 1999 at 03:36:09:

In Reply to: Re: Yeah, and you won't spend much money on it, except for clubs, fees, carts...caddies,balls, and on and on (nt) posted by jj on May 15, 1999 at 23:04:29:

I also golf and have more golf clubs than airguns. Also baseball and softball bats and gloves, fishing equipment and tools.
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Re: Thanks E Fudd amp; DAS

Msg. 112050  Posted by Wayne on May 16, 1999 at 03:32:12:

In Reply to: Thanks E Fudd amp; DAS posted by jcbii on May 16, 1999 at 01:45:29:

Thats better than I can do and I am of Japanese ancestry but born and raised in Hawaii. My mom and dad both spoke Japanese as did everyone of their generation. They felt it important that we spoke English so they never spoke Japanese to us. There have been times when I have wished I could converse in Nihongo. Perhaps when I retire, I might go and take classes at the local community college but then again, I might be too busy tinkering with my airguns.
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Re: Practice Pays Off...

Msg. 112049  Posted by Mikael on May 16, 1999 at 03:15:56:

In Reply to: Practice Pays Off... posted by Greg Fischer on May 15, 1999 at 23:21:35:

I was at the first FT competition here in Sweden yesterday. After i had shot the course with a borrowed Axsor i was shoting at the training area with my .22 supersport. An older gentlemen and a proud owner of a axsor was asking me if i could hit the closest targets with that gun and was making some jokes about springers. My reply was to put down a 50yard target (1.25-1.5" killzone) 3 times in a row and finished of with 5 straight hits on a 3/4" spinner at 30-35 yards. A very silent gentlemen walked away. The best thing is my supersport did suffer from accuracy problems at that moment.
Mikael
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Mac-1 airguns

Msg. 112048  Posted by Mark on May 16, 1999 at 03:14:14:

I have tried the link on the air gun forum many times but it never works, I have no problems going any where else on the.null.
Is the address still the same?
Thanks
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Re: Patriot

Msg. 112047  Posted by mark on May 16, 1999 at 03:04:15:

In Reply to: Patriot posted by Bryan on May 15, 1999 at 23:03:15:

Do they have a web site or do you have there phone number?
Thanks
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Chrony Crosman 600 and Mark 1?

Msg. 112046  Posted by Ross on May 16, 1999 at 02:45:00:

I am interested in learning the speed and power of these two .22 caliber pistols. FPS? Ft. lbs? Thanks.
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Re: Calculating recoil velocity

Msg. 112045  Posted by Wolfesbane on May 16, 1999 at 02:27:28:

In Reply to: Calculating recoil velocity posted by Russell Best on May 15, 1999 at 00:01:24:


For any airgun other than a springer, you are actually very close to being correct. Part of the muzzle energy calculation is the acceleration of gravity. If you divide the muzzle energy by the (guns weight/32.17), yo will get the recoil energy in foot/pounds. A springer, because of the foreward traveling mass of the spring and piston,makes the problem more difficult. It can be calculated if all masses are known. The acceleration of the spring is a funtion of its mass. Centerfire rifle calculations have to take into account the high-speed jet of gasses leaving the muzzle(jet effect). This is beneath the noise-floor in sub-sonic rounds.
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Career 707 II

Msg. 112044  Posted by Peter P on May 16, 1999 at 02:16:24:

Sorry I forgot to say .22 cal
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BS Diablo fall through barrel of my P1!

Msg. 112043  Posted by Ross on May 16, 1999 at 02:15:11:

In Reply to: CAUTION : Benjamin Sheridan 20 cal pellets in RWS 48 - .20 cal ... posted by vZc on May 15, 1999 at 23:37:36:

A few weeks ago I was shooting .20 caliber Diablos through my P1. I put one in, cock it and shot. It dry fired! I looked down by my feet and there was the pellet! I also had another one, out of the same box, fall right through my P1 barrel. I am staying away from BS!
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HW97 for sale

Msg. 112041  Posted by Kelvin on May 16, 1999 at 01:50:13:

Tuned HW97 with Simmons 6.5-20 scope,less than 500
pellets shot,not a scratch on rifle.
$495.00

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$299.00 new at Raso Rod and Rifle

Msg. 112040  Posted by jcbii on May 16, 1999 at 01:49:29:

In Reply to: Beeman P1 going price? posted by Adam on May 15, 1999 at 10:14:26:

jcbii
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Re: Patriot

Msg. 112039  Posted by E Fudd on May 16, 1999 at 01:49:14:

In Reply to: Patriot posted by Bryan on May 15, 1999 at 23:03:15:

Cabelas generally has very good prices. I'm not going to say you can't find it for less, but I'm sure you can't find it for much less.
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Thanks E Fudd amp; DAS

Msg. 112038  Posted by jcbii on May 16, 1999 at 01:45:29:

In Reply to: Re: Who We Are? posted by E Fudd on May 15, 1999 at 17:26:53:

Thanks for your post. It indicates that mine was somewhat understandable. I hope I said "I don't speak Japanese. Do you speak English?" (hope you took it as sort of joking around). It's been a long time since I was in Maizato Sensei's class in Okinawa. Hardly remember any of it.


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Dave: you are still World Class

Msg. 112037  Posted by RBest on May 16, 1999 at 01:26:49:

In Reply to: Re: Who We Are? posted by Dave Plemmons on May 15, 1999 at 23:33:02:

whether you want to admit it or not. Your work stands on it's own. Regards, Russ
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Re: pellets for BSA super 10?

Msg. 112036  Posted by Jim C. on May 16, 1999 at 01:25:24:

In Reply to: pellets for BSA super 10? posted by Anestis on May 15, 1999 at 07:23:27:

My super ten does very well with premiers, but also
shoots Kodiaks well too. Also a .22. Jim C.
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Re: CP question

Msg. 112035  Posted by RBest on May 16, 1999 at 01:21:45:

In Reply to: Re: CP question posted by Joey on May 16, 1999 at 01:11:35:

Joey: this has come up before, and when using Premiers, I tend to agree with you. I have several guns in .20 and .22 that shoot Premiers well, and in a couple of the guns, the .20 SEEMS to have a slight advantage. The one detraction I see is that with spring guns, the 14.3 gr Premiers are just a little too heavy for 5mm. One of the factors you don't normally consider is the area of the pellet exposed to the forces of propulsion. This has a tendency to show .22's are more efficient. It's more noticeable in PCP, pumpers and CO2 guns. RB
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maybe something missed.

Msg. 112034  Posted by jcbii on May 16, 1999 at 01:20:41:

In Reply to: Re: Why posted by Roger on May 15, 1999 at 20:20:18:

Something that was immediately impressed upon me in regards to the "who we are" posts is a solid response to the media's portrayal of gun supporters as 6th grade dropouts without an ounce of common sense or intelligence (talk about a lack of respect!). I just wish this list could be rubbed in their faces!

Anyway, maybe thats what you were missing from DAR's post. Just another opinion.

One other note; you may not respect the individual, but sometimes you have to respect his/her accomplishments.
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civility and p.c.

Msg. 112033  Posted by Elmer Fudd on May 16, 1999 at 01:19:05:

In Reply to: Re: Why are we the way we are? posted by RBest on May 15, 1999 at 21:18:09:

You're right Russ, civility is about restraining oneself from using profanity and insults. Political correctness is about restraining oneself from stating ones opinions and beliefs.
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Re: CP question

Msg. 112032  Posted by Joey on May 16, 1999 at 01:11:35:

In Reply to: Re: CP question posted by Ron B on May 16, 1999 at 00:35:11:


I know im probably alone on this but! The research I have done on ballistic Charts,have come up with the 20 shooting a little flatter,and retaining a little more energy.for example
at 850 fps with a 1.5 above the line of sight(scope use) And a 50 yard zero point.The highest rise for the 20 cal would be 1.67 inches.the 22 cal would be 1.91.the energy retained by the two are the 20 at 50 yards is 12.94 and the 22 cal is11.27 .This is with the 14.3 premiers.This is done mathmaticlly.I think people dont realize that the 20 is slighly better,because of the popularity of the 22 over the 20.If you think about it ,if you had a177 14.3 going 850 it would shoot even flatter then the 20 because of the drag of the pellet,the bigger in diamiter the projectile the more drag you put on,and the less p.nullration you have,something to thinkabout?



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YOU DA MAN RUSS !!!!!!!

Msg. 112031  Posted by Jim C. on May 16, 1999 at 01:10:54:

In Reply to: Re: Why are we the way we are? posted by RBest on May 15, 1999 at 21:18:09:

Amen!!
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Re: Do unto others?

Msg. 112030  Posted by RBest on May 16, 1999 at 01:10:53:

In Reply to: Do unto others? posted by John Mickel on May 15, 1999 at 21:38:16:

JM: you're quoting the modern version; not the biblical.:>) RB
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Re: Availability of Air Arms Guns.

Msg. 112029  Posted by RBest on May 16, 1999 at 01:08:03:

In Reply to: Re: Availability of Air Arms Guns. posted by Daveyg on May 15, 1999 at 23:44:41:

Dave:Jim's been using Roadway lately, rather than UPS. Less damage. Russ
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No, I just don't get into a pissing match with skunks...nt

Msg. 112028  Posted by Joe on May 16, 1999 at 01:04:28:

In Reply to: Re: What if I just want a moderator, not a silencer? Any legal hassles? (NT) posted by Tuff Schotz on May 16, 1999 at 00:46:05:


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Re: Pellet for R1

Msg. 112027  Posted by Andrew Leung on May 16, 1999 at 01:02:22:

In Reply to: Pellet for R1 posted by DonT on May 14, 1999 at 16:11:16:

Though I don't have a .20 but a .22, I have found the FTS (suggested by Mac1) to perform phenominal.
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Re: And yet another comment about Silencers

Msg. 112026  Posted by RBest on May 16, 1999 at 01:01:28:

In Reply to: And yet another comment about Silencers posted by jcbii on May 16, 1999 at 00:51:35:

JCBII: I too, have stated this on many occasions. There are many instances where local laws overrule federal positions. Always ck. first. RB
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There is no distinction legally.

Msg. 112025  Posted by RBest on May 16, 1999 at 00:56:50:

In Reply to: Re: What if I just want a moderator, not a silencer? Any legal hassles? (NT) posted by Tuff Schotz on May 16, 1999 at 00:46:05:

Not so extreme ,if you stand in the way of a gov't official dedicated to doing his/her job. It's like being run over by a bulldozer. Whether you are right or wrong has nothing to do with the outcome. BTW, to a prevoius poster-- moderators, sound supreesors and silencers are all the same thing. There is no distinction! RB
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Re: Who We Are? (this thread is the immensest!)

Msg. 112024  Posted by Rich/MN on May 16, 1999 at 00:55:55:

In Reply to: Who We Are? posted by Ron on May 14, 1999 at 10:39:24:

46, married 2 kids, 7 airguns(2 decent), need to live
in the north cuz without the change of seasons I
wouldn't know what day it is.

PhD in Analytical Chemistry, did instrumentation work
for a couple years, but now do straight EE work for
a large computer firm.

Never had an airgun as a kid, and it left a hole in
my being which is now being filled with Pb.
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And yet another comment about Silencers

Msg. 112023  Posted by jcbii on May 16, 1999 at 00:51:35:

I have read the posts about silencers on this forum, and would like to make an additional comment. Although you can pay the $200 tax to have a legal silencer in order to satisfy the feds, this may not get you off the hook with state or local regulatory agencies. I spoke to some of my "hard core" gun buddies the other day, and one of them stated that silencers are not legal in California - period! (as well as night scopes mounted on a firearm) Now I have read all the posts regarding the "BS" factor, so I would like to state that I haven't taken any steps to confirm my friend's comments, so they may be false. But I thought I would throw it out there while everyone is on the subject. Point is; You may want to look into State and Local laws first, before you decide to buy a silencer.
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Re: Beeman RX-1 Accuracy Problems

Msg. 112022  Posted by RBest on May 16, 1999 at 00:50:26:

In Reply to: Beeman RX-1 Accuracy Problems posted by Tom Jue/ca/usa on May 15, 1999 at 23:01:48:

Tom: I experienced the same problem with my RX-1 until I found out why. I had been shooting several PCP and pneumatic guns beforehand, and had lost my 'touch' for a hold sensitive gun. Once I got back on track, the RX-1 (and myself) improved noticeably. Rams and springers DO require a certain 'finesse' to be accurate ! Regards, Russ
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Re: What if I just want a moderator, not a silencer? Any legal hassles? (NT)

Msg. 112021  Posted by Tuff Schotz on May 16, 1999 at 00:46:05:

In Reply to: Re: What if I just want a moderator, not a silencer? Any legal hassles? (NT) posted by Joe Customer on May 16, 1999 at 00:25:01:

Way extreme man! Have you also stocked up for the Y2K disaster?
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Re: Practice Pays Off...

Msg. 112020  Posted by RBest on May 16, 1999 at 00:44:53:

In Reply to: Practice Pays Off... posted by Greg Fischer on May 15, 1999 at 23:21:35:

Greg: why do you think .22 rf is no longer a viable Bench rest class? Airguns whoop butt! Russ
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Benjamin HB22 vs. Crosman 2289. What do you think?

Msg. 112019  Posted by thorin brown on May 16, 1999 at 00:36:52:

I want a good quality .22 cal pneumatic or co2 gun. it must be accurate and have a good trigger pull, as well as be just under 500fps for Canada.
I have decided on one of either of these two guns:

the crosman 2289,
or the:
Benjamin HB22.

I have heard some good things about both, but I hav heard that the HB22 has a rather nasty trigger pull.

So whats the score? what shold I pick? I want the guns for plinking as well as killing small animals(now there's a noble, PC goal)


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Re: CP question

Msg. 112018  Posted by Ron B on May 16, 1999 at 00:35:11:

In Reply to: CP question posted by Mike Adams on May 16, 1999 at 00:31:12:

Under theory, the same weight pellet will be propelled through the larger bore more efficiently.

Ron
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CP question

Msg. 112017  Posted by Mike Adams on May 16, 1999 at 00:31:12:

I apologize if this has been covered before, but I was wondering.... Since the CP in .20 cal and .22 cal both are 14.3 gr.,which caliber would produce the best velocity given the same powerplant. Rifles like the R-1 and RWS 48 are available in both these calibers. Can I assume the powerplant between each version ( .20 vs .22 )is the same? Does bore size affect muzzle velocity given the same weight projectile and same powerplant?

Thanks to all, I sure learn alot from this forum.
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Re: What if I just want a moderator, not a silencer? Any legal hassles? (NT)

Msg. 112016  Posted by Joe Customer on May 16, 1999 at 00:25:01:

In Reply to: Re: What if I just want a moderator, not a silencer? Any legal hassles? (NT) posted by Dave on May 16, 1999 at 00:11:32:

I ask this simple question;

Have you ever had legal trouble with your Uncle Sam?

I have. I want no more. And, I am a legal law abiding citizen, with no criminal record.

As David Scott or Vicky Weaver if it is a good idea to snuggle up to the BATF. Oh, I forgot, you can't do that. Ruby Ridge was a class 2 offense.

Is being dead moral?

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Re: Beeman ERMA ELG10

Msg. 112015  Posted by ephraim . on May 16, 1999 at 00:24:28:

In Reply to: Re: Beeman ERMA ELG10 posted by trevor on May 14, 1999 at 20:09:26:

serial is 001103
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crossman pellet rifle

Msg. 112014  Posted by Loren on May 16, 1999 at 00:20:07:

I was looking to see if a rebuild kit for a
crossman model 140 could be had,and where I might
be able to order a kit. Please send me a message if you can help out. Out of air for now!!!!


Thanks

Loren
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Brad . . .a question

Msg. 112013  Posted by Rich/MN on May 16, 1999 at 00:15:27:

In Reply to: Re: Help with School program posted by Brad on May 14, 1999 at 20:45:24:

I was talking to a mom recently whose daughter was
shooting 4-H air pistol. She said that they don't
allow CO2 or PCP pistols, only springers and pnuematics.
Is that that the case and what's the reason?

Thanks,
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Re: What if I just want a moderator, not a silencer? Any legal hassles? (NT)

Msg. 112011  Posted by Dave on May 16, 1999 at 00:11:32:

In Reply to: Re: What if I just want a moderator, not a silencer? Any legal hassles? (NT) posted by Ron B on May 15, 1999 at 23:57:53:

Why is this subject so "loaded" for everyone? You'd think a guy was asking about child porn or something. It seems to bring about an almost moralistic response from people.
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Re: CAUTION : Benjamin Sheridan 20 cal pellets in RWS 48 - .20 cal ...

Msg. 112010  Posted by Mike Adams on May 16, 1999 at 00:10:56:

In Reply to: CAUTION : Benjamin Sheridan 20 cal pellets in RWS 48 - .20 cal ... posted by vZc on May 15, 1999 at 23:37:36:

Did you check both the diablo(P51)and the pointed (P50) for size. I would be interested in the results. I tried them in my R-1 and found them equally as useless. As I recall the diablo measured closer to a .20 skirt while the P50's measured .196 to .197. I did this after I found that I couldn't get consistant groups and that each type fit differently in the breech.
Just an observation from a guy new to this.
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Re: NO KIDDING????nt

Msg. 112009  Posted by Well? on May 16, 1999 at 00:08:30:

In Reply to: CAUTION : Benjamin Sheridan 20 cal pellets in RWS 48 - .20 cal ... posted by vZc on May 15, 1999 at 23:37:36:



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Re: Who We Are?

Msg. 112008  Posted by Benoit Landry on May 16, 1999 at 00:01:18:

In Reply to: Re: Who We Are? posted by Wayne on May 14, 1999 at 23:24:19:

You might say that, but I still envy you guys for stuff like money, and most of all--an FAC!! It feels so bad when the only thing available to you is a bunch of cheaply made, inaccurate "toys" that can't shoot stright or pop a mouse at point-blank!

Oops, sort of got carried away here. I still wish I had that FAC though!

Regards,
Ben
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Re: Muzzle Energy calculator/graph builder

Msg. 112007  Posted by Rich/MN on May 15, 1999 at 23:58:25:

In Reply to: Muzzle Energy calculator/graph builder posted by Alligator on May 15, 1999 at 00:24:58:

I can get to the site, but the ME calculator applet
won't start. Any ideas?
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Re: What if I just want a moderator, not a silencer? Any legal hassles? (NT)

Msg. 112006  Posted by Ron B on May 15, 1999 at 23:57:53:

In Reply to: What if I just want a moderator, not a silencer? Any legal hassles? (NT) posted by jeff Guinan on May 15, 1999 at 23:44:36:

Jeff,

What happens if there is a law against loitering and you just happen to be in the 'mosey' mood when the Policeman comes by?

You still go to jail. You pay for your lawyer. Your taxes pay for you to be prosecuted. If you are lucky and have enough political clout and money, maybe you don't go to prison.

Is it worth the risk?

Ron
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Re: Practice Pays Off...

Msg. 112005  Posted by Ron B on May 15, 1999 at 23:50:01:

In Reply to: Practice Pays Off... posted by Greg Fischer on May 15, 1999 at 23:21:35:

Greg,

A proper 10/22 is not a slouch shooter, even in stock form. I have built/owned probably over a hundred firearms. Until I got into 'Adult' airguns, I never had one that would 'stack' shots and, I have had some accurate rifles.

Fun to whip folks at what they think is 'their game', ain't it.

Ron
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Re: The daisy powerline 500. what do you all think?

Msg. 112004  Posted by David in Texas on May 15, 1999 at 23:46:00:

In Reply to: The daisy powerline 500. what do you all think? posted by thorin brown on May 15, 1999 at 13:29:00:

Thorin: Check with Paul Landrith. He is an Airgunsmith here in Texas. I purchased a 500 from him last year. He had several to sell at the Little Rock Expo. Here is his number and e-mail address. 817-275-7905. paulsgun@null.null David in Texas.
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Re: Muzzle Energy calculator/graph builder

Msg. 112003  Posted by Jerry Rhodes on May 15, 1999 at 23:45:34:

In Reply to: Muzzle Energy calculator/graph builder posted by Alligator on May 15, 1999 at 00:24:58:

Churchy,

That is very clever. I have it bookmarked and have decided not to get fresh batts for may calculator.

Thanks
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Re: Availability of Air Arms Guns.

Msg. 112002  Posted by Daveyg on May 15, 1999 at 23:44:41:

In Reply to: Re: Availability of Air Arms Guns. posted by daveyg on May 15, 1999 at 22:04:25:

You may be right Ron.Thats the time he stated when he emailed me on the 4th of May.Just wondering myself how long it takes to get one from the Springman.Does he use UPS.
Everytime I hear a truck go by I jump up thinking it's the delivery of the R9.

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What if I just want a moderator, not a silencer? Any legal hassles? (NT)

Msg. 112001  Posted by jeff Guinan on May 15, 1999 at 23:44:36:

In Reply to: Silencers AGAIN! posted by Bill on May 15, 1999 at 21:33:35:


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Yes, and I think it also has something to do with that...

Msg. 112000  Posted by DAS on May 15, 1999 at 23:41:35:

In Reply to: Apparently ionizing radiation have something to do with AirGunBug! posted by Pavel Podvoiski on May 15, 1999 at 22:37:24:

third eye I have growing on my forehead!!! hehehe

Dave

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CAUTION : Benjamin Sheridan 20 cal pellets in RWS 48 - .20 cal ...

Msg. 111999  Posted by vZc on May 15, 1999 at 23:37:36:

... sample sample from 1 box in 1 rifle: INSUFFICIENT skirt on pellets: pellets can be pushed with weedeater cord into choke crown area of barrel from breech = piston slam.

RWS 48/.20 cal is actually " 5,05mm " engraved on receiver.

Crown-coke area of bore is between 0.196" & < 0.197" per guages: more resolution (0.0001") next week.
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Re: Who We Are?

Msg. 111998  Posted by Dave Plemmons on May 15, 1999 at 23:33:02:

In Reply to: Who We Are? posted by Ron on May 14, 1999 at 10:39:24:

I am a 54 year old retired auto worker. Two years
college..no degree. I had my first air rifle at 9.
Have had quite a few firearms through the years.
Recently discoverd serious adult airguns.
Past hobbies include competitive weight lifting,arm
wrestling. Two times Midwestern Field Archery Champion
Competitive wood carver..Colorado State Carving Champion
and have won numberous awards in Natioals, International.
North American and World Championships. Make furnitire
and a couple AirGun Stocks..but Father Time is catching
up with me as I am now a Has been in all the above.
But still like to shoot the airguns!
D.P.
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Re: Availability of Air Arms Guns.

Msg. 111997  Posted by david in Texas on May 15, 1999 at 23:25:47:

In Reply to: Availability of Air Arms Guns. posted by Dan B. on May 15, 1999 at 19:04:10:

Dan B: Check with Paul Watts. I purchased a Pro-Elite in .22 from him at the Little Rock Show. His friend had a used one on Paul's table for a very good price. If Paul doesn't have one he may know where one is located. David in Texas.
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Re: I vote for more hours in a day = Daylight savings time ...

Msg. 111996  Posted by vZc on May 15, 1999 at 23:23:45:

In Reply to: I vote for more hours in a day posted by Russ Best on May 15, 1999 at 22:53:43:

... send me the sensors, I 've got the time.
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Practice Pays Off...

Msg. 111995  Posted by Greg Fischer on May 15, 1999 at 23:21:35:

Yesterday I had the opportunity to shoot offhand at 50 yards with my scoped Beeman R11 against a buddy with his fancy scoped "target" bull-barrel Ruger 10/22... I could hit the shotgun shells 50% of the time to his 1 in 10... heheh... (all that 10m basement practice paid off).
His final comment was, "You should get a target .22 (rimfire). But on the other hand, why should you?" Good Point.
Airguns ROCK and RULE!
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Re: Do unto others?

Msg. 111994  Posted by Roger on May 15, 1999 at 23:18:44:

In Reply to: Do unto others? posted by John Mickel on May 15, 1999 at 21:38:16:

Sorry it sounded so bitter. I think that the responses to Who we are is also slanted in the fact that a major segment of those who enjoy and use airguns may not use computers or the.null. let us not forget that this obsession of ours is embraced by all segments of society. Finally, because we all have a voice, we should respect the right to speak up but not ridicule.
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Re: Yeah, and you won't spend much money on it, except for clubs, fees, carts...caddies,balls, and on and on (nt)

Msg. 111993  Posted by Jerry Rhodes on May 15, 1999 at 23:12:54:

In Reply to: Re: Yeah, and you won't spend much money on it, except for clubs, fees, carts...caddies,balls, and on and on (nt) posted by jj on May 15, 1999 at 23:04:29:

jj,

I have shot just about everything else in this world but I have never shot a golf. (only a golf ball and I'll never do THAT again) I was officiating at our Rotary Club annual golf tournament and I was talking to some dude that had paid $180.00 for a club. I told him that he was insane that he could have spent $1.50 more and had a brand new BSA SS delivered to his door. My what an improvident bunch those golfers are. Shame, Shame, Shame.

Jerry
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Re: Yeah, and you won't spend much money on it, except for clubs, fees, carts...caddies,balls, and on and on (nt)

Msg. 111992  Posted by jj on May 15, 1999 at 23:04:29:

In Reply to: Yes, a nice " clean " hobby! (nt) posted by DAS on May 15, 1999 at 22:31:30:

being sarcastic :>)
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Patriot

Msg. 111991  Posted by Bryan on May 15, 1999 at 23:03:15:

Does anyone know if Cabelas still have the Patriots? Or do you know a cheaper place to buy one? Thanks

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Beeman RX-1 Accuracy Problems

Msg. 111990  Posted by Tom Jue/ca/usa on May 15, 1999 at 23:01:48:

My .22 cal Beeman RX-1 has not been shooting accurately on a consistent basis. Although the chronograph showed this rifle's velocity was shooting very well, I suspected something was still not right with the inner-workings of the rifle.

I decided to send the rifle to David Slade at Airgunwerk ( airgunwerk@null.null). He took it apart, tuned it and installed a replacement stock factory Beeman seal. I also took the liberty to have him install the Beeman Forearm Screw Cup Kit (#7778). This subtle touch looks great.

Dave did a great job with the RX-1. I noticed the rifle was shooting considerably smoother than before. Although the rifle was now closer to full pressure at 22 BAR, it was shooting much more accurately than before when it was at 20 BAR. At 17 yards, with 14.3 grain Crosman Premiers:

Before tune: (20 BAR): 7/8, 1/2, 3/4, 5/8
After tune by Dave Slade: (22 BAR): 1/16, 3/8, 3/8, 3/16

As you can see, the groups tightened considerably after Dave tuned my rifle. The chronograph shows it is yielding an average of 793 f.p.s. with 14.3 grain Crosman Premiers. This calculates to 19.97 ft. lb. Outstanding for a stock rifle.

The rifle is hold sensitive. Applying all the rules of how to hold the Beeman Crow Magnum (artillery hold) to this gas ram rifle is imperative.

I used a very loose grip with my right shooting hand, using only my thumb and shooting finger. The thumb is position on top of the stock at 12:00. The side of my shooting hand is lightly touching the stock. The butt of the rifle is gently touching my shoulder. My left hand is palm open, up close against the trigger guard. I wear a weight lifting glove (with open fingers) on my left hand for added consistency.

To emphasize the importance of holding the rifle in a consistent manner, I carelessly placed my bottom three fingers of my right hand against the stock. It wasn't a tight grip, but yet, it was enough to shift my groups 3/4" to the right!

Happy shooting,

Tom Jue/ca/usa

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.22 kodiak/Patriot barrels

Msg. 111989  Posted by Pel-it on May 15, 1999 at 23:01:42:

Does anybody out there know where I can find a new or used Patriot barrel in .22 cal???. Beeman has them for approx 180.00 but I'm sure I could do better than that.
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The check is in the mail! XL (nt) :-)

Msg. 111987  Posted by Jerry Rhodes on May 15, 1999 at 23:00:32:

In Reply to: You've Come A Long Way BB posted by Mac1 on May 14, 1999 at 23:11:53:


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I vote for more hours in a day

Msg. 111986  Posted by Russ Best on May 15, 1999 at 22:53:43:

In Reply to: Re: the task......is costlier than I had hoped posted by vZc on May 15, 1999 at 22:46:55:

VZC: I'm looking at 4 sensors. And time is becoming a premium for several reasons. I no longer have the option of viewing this monitor for hours on end. I now read it intermittantly as it is. If only there were 30 hours in a day ! Russ
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Re: the task......is costlier than I had hoped

Msg. 111985  Posted by vZc on May 15, 1999 at 22:46:55:

In Reply to: Re: the task......is costlier than I had hoped posted by RBest on May 15, 1999 at 22:29:10:

sensor, preamplifier, sound card & software => $100. DIY
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Re:Dripping oil?

Msg. 111984  Posted by jj on May 15, 1999 at 22:45:10:

In Reply to: Re:Dripping oil? posted by jj on May 15, 1999 at 21:32:04:

After my last post I discovered something new to share with you. I probably shouldn't have said "dripping from the barrel", how about accumulating in the factory moderator, and dripping out of that. This is on a Harrier with the Daystate factory moderator.

The next point I would like to make is this; I recently purchased a used P70. Tonight I removed the Az mod. to clean the gun. And lo and behold, there was oil all over the outside of the barrel, (the part that was covered by the mod.), and inside of the mod. Fortunately it didn't drip. I never put any oil in this gun. Apparently, the person that owned this gun previously did use oil.

The previous owner was Bob Pieser, I was told he did use FP10. Point - did we both use the oil wrong????
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Apparently ionizing radiation have something to do with AirGunBug!

Msg. 111983  Posted by Pavel Podvoiski on May 15, 1999 at 22:37:24:

In Reply to: Re: Who We Are? posted by DAS on May 15, 1999 at 00:41:55:

I lived in Minsk/Belarus when Chernobil exploded.
What a coincedence, i started shooting at fall of very same year.
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Yes, a nice " clean " hobby! (nt)

Msg. 111982  Posted by DAS on May 15, 1999 at 22:31:30:

In Reply to: " why don't you take up golf " ....Man, does that sound familiar!!! nt posted by jj on May 15, 1999 at 22:16:08:


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Re: Why (keep up the good work EDITH )

Msg. 111981  Posted by DALE W MERRILL SR on May 15, 1999 at 22:29:45:

In Reply to: Re: Why posted by The Airgun Letter on May 15, 1999 at 18:56:37:


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Re: the task......is costlier than I had hoped

Msg. 111980  Posted by RBest on May 15, 1999 at 22:29:10:

In Reply to: the task....... posted by Ron B on May 15, 1999 at 19:41:58:

Ron: I just wanted to say that I just got my latest homeowners tax( property and MV and Sewers)and damn near fainted. CT. is the worst in the US! Between that and the curent workload at the shop, I don't have the time or cash to perform DETAILED experiments, so was trying to come up with a simpler way of measuring recoil. I can definitely provide subjective comments on the 'feel' of a guns recoil when compared to another, but I'd like to give some factual numbers also. That's why I fielded the question about just doing some math. Regards, Russ
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Re: RIT! It's a small world Dave.

Msg. 111979  Posted by DAS on May 15, 1999 at 22:28:26:

In Reply to: Re: RIT! It's a small world Dave. posted by Matt Donovan on May 15, 1999 at 22:01:48:

I know that lake effect well as I lived on that side of town!

Dave

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Forsale - Burris 8x-32x Rimfire/Airgun Scope.

Msg. 111978  Posted by '' airgunner '' on May 15, 1999 at 22:28:21:

Forsale - Burris 8x-32x Rimfire/Airgun Scope.
Parallex adjustment down to 10 yards. Target
Elevation Knob. With hood and box.
Lifetime warrantee. Mint condition. No ring
marks. $375 plus shipping.
Email to airgunner@null.null

repost from US.null by vZc


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Re: Who We Are?

Msg. 111977  Posted by Pavel Podvoiski on May 15, 1999 at 22:18:47:

In Reply to: Who We Are? posted by Ron on May 14, 1999 at 10:39:24:

26 years old. System programmer for this coin eaters sitting on bar in pubs.

Was fascinated with guns and started shooting at age 14 -- air rifles then rimfire. Was "cured" at age 16. After 10 years of healthy life gun bug striked again. Last summer bought Crossman 1377, then Webley Hurricane and Daisy 2003. Now waiting for Daisy 747.

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Re: Availability of Air Arms Guns.

Msg. 111976  Posted by RBest on May 15, 1999 at 22:16:28:

In Reply to: Re: Availability of Air Arms Guns. posted by daveyg on May 15, 1999 at 22:04:25:

Dave: Bob Buchanan at Airguns of Arizona is a great guy, but he has to get his guns from other sources. The English gunmakers aren't especially fast at filling orders either, so I think two weeks was a pretty optimistic answer. Two months may be closer to the truth! Regards, Russ
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" why don't you take up golf " ....Man, does that sound familiar!!! nt

Msg. 111975  Posted by jj on May 15, 1999 at 22:16:08:

In Reply to: Re: Who We Are? posted by E Fudd on May 15, 1999 at 17:03:24:

:-)
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Re: Availability of Air Arms Guns.

Msg. 111974  Posted by daveyg on May 15, 1999 at 22:04:25:

In Reply to: Re: Availability of Air Arms Guns. posted by Dave M on May 15, 1999 at 20:31:28:

I remember inquiring about the pro- elite and got an answer from rtbuch@null.null stating it would take two weeks to get one.Thats before I ordered the R9 from J.M
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Re: Apparently Taboo Subject

Msg. 111973  Posted by R Best on May 15, 1999 at 22:03:54:

In Reply to: Re: Apparently Taboo Subject posted by max on May 15, 1999 at 21:42:30:

That would have been either the Vortek DAC muzzle brake or the Vortek Accuracy Tamer. RB
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Re: RIT! It's a small world Dave.

Msg. 111972  Posted by Matt Donovan on May 15, 1999 at 22:01:48:

In Reply to: RIT! It's a small world Dave. posted by Roger Yost on May 15, 1999 at 17:23:53:

I went to RIT also. Sometimes known as South Henrietta Insitute of Technology when the lake effect kicked in.
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Re: Silencers AGAIN!

Msg. 111971  Posted by RBest on May 15, 1999 at 21:59:23:

In Reply to: Silencers AGAIN! posted by Bill on May 15, 1999 at 21:33:35:

Bill: they are less effective with spring guns and slightly more effective with gas rams. The are most effective with PCP(SCUBA) pumpers and CO2. Legal springers are the Air Arms Pro Sport, Pro Elite and TX200 mk5. Theoben Eliminators supplied to the US often have moderators, and several British PCP guns can be purchased with factory moderators. Look at Daystate, Falcon and others for options. Regards, Russ
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Re: Optima Scope?

Msg. 111970  Posted by jj on May 15, 1999 at 21:55:36:

In Reply to: Optima Scope? posted by Garry on May 14, 1999 at 10:35:07:

Just seen one today, one of the members of my Ft club had one (no yet mounted). Optics seemed very good. He said (hearsay), that it range finds well.

Illum. 'MAY' be good for targets in dark areas. Targets are sometimes placed in these areas on purpose as a challenge for those competitors with big scopes. The illum. is to allow you to still see the recticle. The ability to range find in these darker areas, is a different story.
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Re: Why

Msg. 111969  Posted by DAS on May 15, 1999 at 21:51:55:

In Reply to: Re: Why posted by Roger on May 15, 1999 at 20:20:18:

Roger,

I agree that the "Who We Are" posts were not intended to start some sort of mutual admiration society. And, no one is automatically demanding or giving respect based on the contents of the afformentioned posts. However, knowing a little bit about others, who share the common interest of our airgun hobby, helps you realize that we are all just regular people with regular lives. It kind of helps to put things into perspective, which is especially important when using electronic communication. At least it does for me.

Even though most of us really don't know all that much about each other, our "default" position should always be to err on the side of decency and "respect" each other's opinions whether we agree with them or not.

I guess that's the jist of what I meant.

Dave

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Chuck; try this..... Lycos search engine.....

Msg. 111968  Posted by RBest on May 15, 1999 at 21:47:17:

In Reply to: 404 error for " Airgun Sport and Conservation " posted by chuck bridgeland on May 15, 1999 at 21:40:40:

XChuck: I had to go to Lycos and search for airgun sport. It seems a cookie or two has been altered. I get it fast now. Regards, Russ
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Re: Apparently Taboo Subject

Msg. 111967  Posted by max on May 15, 1999 at 21:42:30:

In Reply to: Apparently Taboo Subject posted by Dave on May 15, 1999 at 14:56:31:

Vortek of Michigan sells a device to improve accuracy. To me it looked like a silencer.When I shot one of the guns fitted with this accuracy moderator it was quiet! At $40 it seems like a bargain, maybe you should look into it.
good luck, max
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404 error for " Airgun Sport and Conservation "

Msg. 111966  Posted by chuck bridgeland on May 15, 1999 at 21:40:40:

I'm getting a 404 error (object not found) for the Brit ezine Airgun Sport and Conservation.

Temporary, permanent, anybody know?

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Do unto others?

Msg. 111965  Posted by John Mickel on May 15, 1999 at 21:38:16:

In Reply to: Re: Why are we the way we are? posted by RBest on May 15, 1999 at 21:18:09:

I thought the quote was: "Do unto others before they do unto you." :) john
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Value of a Daisy Model 23

Msg. 111964  Posted by Greg Culler on May 15, 1999 at 21:37:14:

Hello

I just purchase a Daisy Model 23 at an auction and was wondering what it is worth.
It is all there and works although it only has about 5 to 10% of the finish left.

Thanks
Greg
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Silencers AGAIN!

Msg. 111962  Posted by Bill on May 15, 1999 at 21:33:35:

Just finished reading the last series re: silencers, and would like to pose 2 questions:

1) On which type of gun is a silencer truly effective? I ask this because I think(?) I've read here that on a springer it's kind of a moot point; that the internals make more noise than the "blast" Yes? No?

2) What makes/models come with the permanantly installed silencers so as to be USA legal?

Thanks !!! Bill
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Re:Dripping oil?

Msg. 111961  Posted by jj on May 15, 1999 at 21:32:04:

In Reply to: Re:Dripping oil? posted by GH on May 15, 1999 at 03:26:45:

Hi,

Well, I kept the pellets in a tin with foam rubber??( the stuff you get with the Premiers on the top and bottom of the box). Anyway, I soaked this "stuff" with oil. Rolled the pellets in it and just kept them there until I used them.

If this was the wrong way of doing it, don't care, the experience was enough to dissuade me from using oil type lubes. And still don't think they are necessary. My opinion, I think that weighing them is much better and I am sure that there are other sorting methods that can help more than oil.

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Anyone have or shot a RWS/Career 707?

Msg. 111959  Posted by Gary L. on May 15, 1999 at 21:27:24:

curious about this gun sounds real good, although gun itself costs 530 bucks and the air pump is $230.

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Re: Grease

Msg. 111958  Posted by Mikael on May 15, 1999 at 21:21:28:

In Reply to: Re: Grease posted by RBest on May 15, 1999 at 20:52:39:

The gun wasn't running dry. Napier G95 is the grease air arms use in their manufacturing and also send along with their spring kits. It wasn't to long ago that i did service the gun. Before today the gun was rather wild on firing but after the extra grease it have a straight recoil that is real easy to deal with. I have been thinking about black tar for a while but i cant decide if i going to make new spring guides and put in a titan mainspring with black tar or a gas spring. I have been thinking if my ss is a little bit "oversprung" and the extra grease slow tings down and also thats why i get the extra power. It have a stock spring that i got from the swedish importer.
Mikael
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Re: ATTN: Dan and the Steroid Question of FPS @ 14 Pumps. Go read my reply(nt)

Msg. 111957  Posted by Tony on May 15, 1999 at 21:18:56:

In Reply to: ATTN: Dan and the Steroid Question of FPS @ 14 Pumps. Go read my reply(nt) posted by MartinL on May 15, 1999 at 14:42:36:


What is the fps of a tuned Sheridan at 14 pumps?
I just called Mac-1 yesterday and they tell me
about 900 fps. That is fast. Actually they tell me
with a billet installed, they can get that kind of
velocity out of 12 pumps.
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Re: Why are we the way we are?

Msg. 111956  Posted by RBest on May 15, 1999 at 21:18:09:

In Reply to: Re: Why posted by Roger on May 15, 1999 at 20:20:18:

One of the things I saw upon reading these answers was a srong tendency towards engineers ( yowza!) and people with highly technical backgrounds. It seems we are, as a group, very detail oriented; and that this phenomena somehow connects us to the airgun field. This is certainly a case of "birds of a feather flock together". This tells me that we are quite often, of similar sensibilities and believers in the Golden Rule. At least I have always been so. I was raised under the 'do unto others, as you would have them do unto you" rule, and I feel that the first five letters in the word 'civilization' indicate that we should at least TRY to be civil to one and other. This is not to say that being 'politically correct' is the way to go. Personally- I hate that BS!. However,I feel that the generation of 'In your face-ism' is about to crap the bed, and we are on the verge of realizing that there is a place for civility in this society. I was raised with manners, and I expect at least a modicum of the same from others. Just my opinion. Regards, Russ
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Re: Grease

Msg. 111955  Posted by RBest on May 15, 1999 at 20:52:39:

In Reply to: Grease posted by Mikael on May 15, 1999 at 18:47:15:

Mikael: adding grease will smooth it out some and help reduce friction, but it sounds like the gun needed lubricant because the piston was running fairly dry. Have you serviced this gun in the last few months? I don't know about Napier grease, but it could wind up being thrown from the springs coils after so many shots. This is why some tuners recommend a very sticky grease, like Jim Maccari's "Black Tar" for spring use. Regards, Russ
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from 35+yds to just under 50 (NT)

Msg. 111954  Posted by anderld on May 15, 1999 at 20:50:59:

In Reply to: Re: career 707 " easy float " posted by kimchi on May 15, 1999 at 18:08:20:


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Re: BC: who's importing the Rutten ?

Msg. 111953  Posted by bubba on May 15, 1999 at 20:45:23:

In Reply to: BC: who's importing the Rutten ? posted by RBest on May 15, 1999 at 00:48:34:

Russ,
Your senior lead at the southern test facility, went to the Little Rock Arkansas Air gun show. At that show your enterprising, and ever vigilant Senior lead did in fact fire and examine the Rutten 5 something pistol. Pyramid Air had it and several other rutten products. It took almost two of us to pull the trigger, and I would guess that the velosity was similar to the Tempest, as was cocking effort. Now, shootin all these target pistols, and rifles kinda spoils you for trigger action, but the Rutten I shot is totally unacceptable. I have a poor impression of this pistol. That's my story, and I'm stickin to it.

Respectfully,
Bubba, from MO.
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Why not to setup AGL forum search engine?

Msg. 111952  Posted by Pavel Podvoiski on May 15, 1999 at 20:44:05:

In Reply to: Re: Why posted by The Airgun Letter on May 15, 1999 at 18:56:37:

It will be a great help and will reduce amount of questions asked over and over again.

Yes, there is FAQ but when i have some question i don't want to scan Q&A's, -- computer can do it much faster!

I think HotBot or Excite may provide such service for sites even if their ISP do not.

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Re: Availability of Air Arms Guns.

Msg. 111951  Posted by RBest on May 15, 1999 at 20:43:31:

In Reply to: Availability of Air Arms Guns. posted by Dan B. on May 15, 1999 at 19:04:10:

Dan: since February, Pro Elites have been pretty much a special order item, because less than 120 had been sold worldwide the previous year ( lots of "tirekickers" apparently). This is the first I've heard about any distributor being fired, but the guns have been imported by John Way- here in CT. Jim Maccari was a main distributor of Air Arms products, and I've purchased two AA guns from him in the last 14 months. I've also heard Rada Plesinger is now selling these guns. I hope what you heard isn't true, because Jim provided superb service and I would hate to see AA lose him. Keep us posted. Regards, Russ
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Re: Used Stealth for sale

Msg. 111950  Posted by Bubba on May 15, 1999 at 20:34:37:

In Reply to: Re: Used Stealth for sale posted by Tom Holst on May 15, 1999 at 00:12:47:

I know this rifle. used to belong to a friend of mine. I think he finally got tired of my constant verbal abuse regarding the lack of wood on the Stealth. The stealth still shoots very well, and the gun that he traded it for won't hold air (SCUBA). But it looks a lot prettier sittin in the shop, with its very nice wood. If you'r lookin for a Stealth, this is a good one. I will never think that they are attractive in any way, but they do shoot hard and straight.

I am not employed by Tom Holst. I will gain no favor from him for this post. In fact I spent the whole afternoon tryin to trade with him, and never did get him skint.

Respectfully,
Bubba
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Re: Availability of Air Arms Guns.

Msg. 111949  Posted by Dave M on May 15, 1999 at 20:31:28:

In Reply to: Availability of Air Arms Guns. posted by Dan B. on May 15, 1999 at 19:04:10:

Did you try Jim Maccari???
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Re: Why

Msg. 111948  Posted by Roger on May 15, 1999 at 20:20:18:

In Reply to: Re: Why posted by DAS on May 15, 1999 at 20:04:18:

Maybe I am missing something from DAR's post but the Who are are posts were not meant to create mutual respect for one another. Respect is earned, not expected. Although I missed out on the majority of the fight over banned individuals of this forum, it would appear to me that the decision to ban those individual was of a long deliberation. A simple question to ask though is, When you seek advice or counsel from someone, do you expect to be humiliated or embarrassed? for the vast majority of us, we would not tolerate being treated like that in our everyday life, why do we have to accept such behavior on this forum. As to Edith, i feel sorry but she is the only one who could remove such treatment from this forum. No one else has the ability to stop it.
I truly got the feeling from the post that by giving out my credentials, I in some way was demending you into automatically respecting me. Sorry, but I do not even know you well enough to think that you should automatically respect me merely because I have pursued my education. I will never apologize for my education. It was a hard fought experience and I am proud of what I have become. I as well as the others who posted to Who We are are not demanding your respect. We were responding to a legitimate question as to the frequent visitors to this Forum. We, like every one else on this forum are taking the opportunity to interact and share. When we become the object of sarcasm for our being, then who has stifled the freedom of this Forum.
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Re: Why

Msg. 111947  Posted by Billy on May 15, 1999 at 20:08:15:

In Reply to: Re: Why posted by Elmer Fudd on May 15, 1999 at 19:38:49:

The numbers of educated people that have and use airguns is no surprise. As you learn more about engineering and physics, the more fascinating the energy conversion of airguns becomes. To true machinists, it may cause them to question the term "precision". I've had a little background in these areas, but by no means does that make me an airgun expert. In response to Edith's post, you never did answer about what became of ignoring posts and posters that offended you, perhaps my post on the subject fit into that category for you. It also seems that Mr.
Gaylord could share his expertise here. Has he chosen not to like Maccari, Watts and others, or has he been banned also?
Billy
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Re: Why

Msg. 111946  Posted by DAS on May 15, 1999 at 20:04:18:

In Reply to: Re: Why posted by Elmer Fudd on May 15, 1999 at 19:38:49:

Yes, it certainly is a privilege to be associated with such an astute group of people. I'm certain that all of those "Who are we" posts will go a long way in terms of generating mutual respect for each other.

Dave

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Re: RIT! It's a small world Dave.

Msg. 111945  Posted by DAS on May 15, 1999 at 19:56:26:

In Reply to: RIT! It's a small world Dave. posted by Roger Yost on May 15, 1999 at 17:23:53:

Roger,

Verrry interesting! How did you like the miserable weather up yonder?

Dave

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Re: Who We Are?

Msg. 111944  Posted by DAS on May 15, 1999 at 19:51:20:

In Reply to: Re: Who We Are? posted by jcbii on May 15, 1999 at 16:15:44:

Hai, eigo hanashimasu. Demo, Nihongo wa tanoshi desu.

Dave

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the task.......

Msg. 111943  Posted by Ron B on May 15, 1999 at 19:41:58:

In Reply to: Re: Calculating recoil velocity - No posted by Jim P on May 15, 1999 at 18:24:53:

Jim,

Accelerometers are less than $25 an axis. If one had the expertise to design or had a analog to digital card to interface to a computer the gathering of information would be simple. I think it would be worthwhile to have an eight channel card. That way all the information would be on one 'run' of information. The three axis of acceleration, lock time, muzzle velocity, temperature,down range velocity and barometric pressure would be in one file and on one 'spreadsheet'.

I'd bet the software to collect and store the data is available public domain. Once a few files were collected and some 'HUMIT', including rifle weight and CG, are collected, the data should predict the 'shootability' of the rifle.

Hat weight, piston bounce and other things would show. Even the hold of the shooter could be 'tuned' once the initial data is collected.

I can get real wound up on this, I did some work with accelerometers last year and found out a lot of what they will do.

Russ offered to do the tests, but is unfair to ask him to bear the financial, electrical, device design and analysis to be distributed free. Perhaps we could prebuy a publication, limited publication to pay for the initiation of this service. I know just putting the equipment together is a task in itself.

Ron
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Re: Why

Msg. 111942  Posted by Elmer Fudd on May 15, 1999 at 19:38:49:

In Reply to: Why posted by Ron on May 15, 1999 at 11:42:43:

As far as knowledgeable people being on this forum check out the "Who we are" posts further down. It's surprising the number of engineers and people with advanced degrees that are posting here.
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Re: Lou, do any new pellets come prep'd with any coatings?(nt)

Msg. 111941  Posted by LOU V.K. on May 15, 1999 at 19:31:21:

In Reply to: Re: Lou, do any new pellets come prep'd with any coatings?(nt) posted by John M on May 15, 1999 at 12:22:40:


In all probability,it will reduce the frequency of needed cleanings. This varies from barrel to barrel.
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Re: Webley amp; Scott Patriot- who owns one?

Msg. 111940  Posted by Huck on May 15, 1999 at 19:11:35:

In Reply to: Webley amp; Scott Patriot- who owns one? posted by Daveyg on May 15, 1999 at 17:19:29:

Hi,I have the Patriot in.22 and this one shoots
14.3C.P.'s at 870.This gun is stock with 1500 shots.If you are gonna use a scope on this baby,
better get a good mount,cause this baby kicks.
p.s. Kodiaks 21.4 gr, 700f.p.s. Huck
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Re: Recoil and POI

Msg. 111939  Posted by The Airgun Letter on May 15, 1999 at 19:07:44:

In Reply to: Recoil and POI posted by Nick on May 15, 1999 at 09:47:02:

You wrote:
My sheridan shoots to the same poi no matter how I hold it.
=====================
I, too, love the Sheridan Blue Streak. It's the first gun I pick up when a critter needs to be dispatched. No matter how much adrenaline is pumping through my bloodstream, the Sheridan seems to put the pellet in the right place every time - regardless of how inept I am. If the Career weren't too loud for our residential neighborhood, I would probably grab it first. But the Sheridan's requirement for pumping probably helps to release the excess energy when I've got to pop off a critter, and it gets my vote for the best gun for dispatching vermin.

Edith Gaylord
The Airgun Letter
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http://www.airgunletter.null
http://www.airgunletter.com

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Availability of Air Arms Guns.

Msg. 111938  Posted by Dan B. on May 15, 1999 at 19:04:10:

Does anyone know the status of obtaining Air Arms guns in the states. I heard that the main distributor of guns in the USA was fired and now were in a transition period - hence the lack of availability. I've been waiting for a Pro-Elite for quite some time now(Arizona Air Guns) and am hoping that I do not have to wait too much longer. Any responses are appreciated!
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Re: Why

Msg. 111937  Posted by The Airgun Letter on May 15, 1999 at 18:56:37:

In Reply to: Why posted by Ron on May 15, 1999 at 11:42:43:

You wrote:
I have been viewing this forum for over a year and have posted many times..During this time I have observed this forum going down hill...I realize the gaylords run this site, and they deserve a fair amount of credit..but as of late i have noticed Mrs Gaylord awnering a lot of questions. This is because a lot of the old timers have moved on..to a more open forum...It seems to me that Mrs Gaylord takes it upon herself to regulate the forum and its members opinions...We have lost a good number of knowedgeable people on this forum. due to Mrs Gaylords exhalted view of herself and her abilitys..I mean no disrespect towards Mrs Gaylord..I only wish she would take a more passive roll and let us regain the insight of folks like
J.M....and others....Regards Ron
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I'm sorry that you feel the Airgun Forum is going down hill. But just because someone has information to provide does not entitle them to browbeat others or to act in a totally unacceptable manner. If you've been reading this forum for over a year, then you were witness to the thrashing that some people repeatedly endured simply because someone felt like doing it. Do you insult, attack, denigrate and threaten others? I doubt it - and you probably don't do it because you know it's wrong. No amount of knowledge or information is an excuse to attack, threaten, insult or denigrate others. There were other issues, too, but this would have been sufficient reason on its own to ban someone.

Yes, I'm answering a lot of questions. Want to know why? Because I used to answer a lot of questions - not as many as most other people, but I still have the ability to answer questions. If others wish to disagree with me, they are welcome and free to do so. If you believe the statements of others that disagreeing with me will result in a ban, then you have been duped into silence. There is no question in my mind that others will have different opinions. But just because they have stated their opinions doesn't in any way restrict me from stating mine, does it? Do I have the same rights as any other poster on the Airgun Forum? Or do I have to follow a separate set of rules that says I may not respond or provide an answer? And in the same way other vendors, dealers and airgunsmiths may mention their products here, so I can. Or should I be restricted from saying that I have a product to sell? No one has to buy anything from us or anyone at any time.

Because my administrative duties were so few and far between when this forum first started up in October 1998, I was able to participate much more frequently. When it got busier, the workload was significantly increased and I restricted my answers to very few. I'm pretty much in the background on this forum. Of the people who regularly post here, I post significantly less than anyone. But I am free to post - just like you are.

There's still a great deal of good and helpful information being posted on the Airgun Forum. It's just not so hard to find anymore because you don't have to dig through the fights, arguments and insults that used to be bandied about.

Just like Shooters' GunTalk, this forum is for airgunners to share information with each other. It is NOT a place where only those who consider themselves endowed with a certain elevated status to answer questions while the rest of us cower and hope we don't get pounced upon. That's no way to run a forum.

Edith Gaylord
The Airgun Letter
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Grease

Msg. 111936  Posted by Mikael on May 15, 1999 at 18:47:15:

I have some accuracy problems lately with supersport wich normaly shots very good. I have noticed some problems with my scope but thats not all the problem. I have regreased it 1500 shots ago and it worked realy nice after that. Today when i started to thinking about to use it as a golfclub and get it to shot around corners i did something thats everyone tells me is wrong, i put in a lot of moly (5 grams napier g95) true the cocking slot and guess what now it shots real smoth, no torque and almost accurate as my fwb300 and it shots harder than before. Why? Is there a way to get that performance without filling grease every 1000-2000 shots? I dont think it have any thing to do with the lubrication of the grease, i haven't seen any sign of smoke or smell when i shot. Could it be the vibration dampening effect of the grease? The extra weigth added to the spring and piston? If i could solve this one then we could have a real good tune for the ss.
Mikael
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Re: Lewis amp; Clark

Msg. 111935  Posted by Jim P on May 15, 1999 at 18:36:17:

In Reply to: Lewis amp; Clark posted by Rick McAllister on May 15, 1999 at 17:08:22:

Just goes to show you.

Passing around a loaded gun (of any type) was a stupid trick in 1800 and it still is!

People haven't changed. (Technology has.)

Jim P.
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Re: Calculating recoil velocity - No

Msg. 111934  Posted by Jim P on May 15, 1999 at 18:24:53:

In Reply to: Re: Calculating recoil velocity - No posted by Ron B on May 15, 1999 at 14:46:47:

Ron,

I think that you are correct and that one could measure all the perameters that you mentioned. I think that it would be a great thing to do. And to publish these charts for each airgun tested would be a service to all us technically minded people.

Your chart would still have to be interpreted for the answer. I.e. what is important and what is not. So we would still have to bring the "man into the loop." The chart would have to be accompanied by some comments of the tester as to this gun feels "smooth," "harsh," or "twangs" to see what perameters he is feeling.

Cool stuff -

Actually I was begining to think - if I put a small bladder behind the but pad and connected it by a tube to an old recording barograph (if I could find one.) I could press the but to my shoulder try to hold a constant pressure then watch the pulse as the rifle fired. Pretty simple, but it might be enought to start.

Some more random thoughts.

Jim P.
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need Vibration senors (accelerometers) and a Digital Signal Analyzer (DSA) ...

Msg. 111933  Posted by vZc on May 15, 1999 at 18:18:19:

In Reply to: Calculating recoil velocity posted by Russell Best on May 15, 1999 at 00:01:24:

... I have DSA access but need accelerometers.
Psychometic should provide some starting point:
There is some threshhold level to normal human vibration sensitivity.

Historically, some one posted an idea using a Radio Shack accelerometer, sound card and analysis (FFT) software.

More later.
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Re: career 707 " easy float "

Msg. 111932  Posted by kimchi on May 15, 1999 at 18:08:20:

In Reply to: career 707 " easy float " posted by anderld on May 15, 1999 at 14:03:11:

Larry,

At what distance is the POI 1 inch high at 3000 psi? Is this at 50 yards? Thanks.

kimchi
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Re: Why

Msg. 111931  Posted by Nom dePlume on May 15, 1999 at 18:03:14:

In Reply to: Why posted by Ron on May 15, 1999 at 11:42:43:

All are free to go to the Delphi site and see what the "old timers" and experts are talking about.

It has been my experience so far that there is less useful information on that site than this one. It is sort of a "Good ole Boys" Club with no real content.

Jim Macarri will sell you a rifle or a tune kit and others will praise his work (and rightly so,) but I don't think that he feels that it is in his best interest to tell you how he does what he is able to do. There are no posts on spring manufacturing or choosing the right "top hat" weight, etc. (If JM wanted to write a book about the technical part of spring rifles I would be one of the first in line.)

Try disagreeing with LD on his part of the site and see what happens.

Also Jim controls that site just as heavily as Edith does - just to a slightly different set of rules. It appears today that if you have no rules on a Inte.null site it degenerates to the lowest level and is pretty worthless for any but... Never mind.

Keep up the good work Edith.

NdP
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Re: Anyone had any experience with the RWS 46??

Msg. 111930  Posted by RBest on May 15, 1999 at 18:02:22:

In Reply to: Re: Anyone had any experience with the RWS 46?? posted by Mklingler on May 15, 1999 at 14:06:30:

Mark: in box stock form, there isn't much difference in power from the R-9 and the Supersport. Both guns are accurate, and the SS is easier to cock. From that point, they start showing their differences. While the SS has a decent trigger, the R-9 has the Rekord- which is a tough act to follow in anyones book. The R-9 has a lot of potential given the available springs, while the SS has only the stock spring and a Theoben ram to choose from. The development of other springs would help the SS, but I don't see it happening soon. I am going to try to develop a couple tunes for the BSA this year, to help ease this situation. Keep in mind that the SS is selling for $170 versus the R-9's $250. That additional $80 goes a long way towards making it a good airgun for the money. We aren't talking apples and oranges, but it might be Granny Smiths and MacIntoshes. Regards, Russ
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Silencers: Not really taboo; just a somewhat touchy subject

Msg. 111929  Posted by The Airgun Letter on May 15, 1999 at 17:37:26:

In Reply to: Apparently Taboo Subject posted by Dave on May 15, 1999 at 14:56:31:

You wrote:
I am even willing to travel out of the country for the purpose of bringing one back (on a gun or otherwise). I fully understand at this point the serious legal, however gray, implications of owning/buying/selling/making/importing such devices.
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All you have to do is register the silencer with ATF and pay your $200 tax. Then, you're legal no matter whether it's screwed on or permanently affixed. This is considerably cheaper than flying out of the country and trying to bring it back through customs, where they might seize it anyway. It's a gray area, and I guess there aren't too many people who are concerned with silencing an airgun.

Edith Gaylord
The Airgun Letter
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Re: Apparently Taboo Subject

Msg. 111928  Posted by RBest on May 15, 1999 at 17:34:23:

In Reply to: Apparently Taboo Subject posted by Dave on May 15, 1999 at 14:56:31:

Dave: as you can see from the other posts here, a moderator can become costly. In addition to the $200 transfer tax levied by ATF, the cost of the moderator is NOT cheap ( if US made-- figure $100 to $200 over here), so you are looking at almost $400 !!!!! You could almost buy a permanently silenced and ATF legal airgun for that price! Bringing a separate silencer in from overseas will undoubtedly cause delays/problems. I've tried and forget about it! Regards, Russ
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Re: When is St. Louis show?

Msg. 111927  Posted by Roger Yost on May 15, 1999 at 17:32:52:

In Reply to: When is St. Louis show? posted by Darrell Scoggins on May 12, 1999 at 10:44:42:

Your postal address will get you a flier with all necessary info and a map. Hope to see you.

Roger Yost in St. Louis
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Re: sorry about the spelling Springman

Msg. 111926  Posted by Daveyg on May 15, 1999 at 17:27:41:

In Reply to: Webley amp; Scott Patriot- who owns one? posted by Daveyg on May 15, 1999 at 17:19:29:

It should have said "I haven't even received my tuned R9 from the Springman and I am looking for my next buy".

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Re: Who We Are?

Msg. 111924  Posted by E Fudd on May 15, 1999 at 17:26:53:

In Reply to: Re: Who We Are? posted by jcbii on May 15, 1999 at 16:15:44:

Yeah, most of what we said wasn't too important. Just 2 gaijin using remedial broken Japanese. A brief synopsis: "is your wife Japanese? My Japanese is bad?", "Yes. My Japanese is also poor. My wife's English is good so we ussually speak English. I have forgotten alot of Japanese.", "My wife's also Japanese. Her English is very good. Do you have a Sharp air rifle?"
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Nevermind, I found it at ARS (nt)

Msg. 111923  Posted by Timm on May 15, 1999 at 17:24:39:

In Reply to: Where can I get a QB22? (nt) posted by Timm on May 15, 1999 at 17:08:50:


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RIT! It's a small world Dave.

Msg. 111922  Posted by Roger Yost on May 15, 1999 at 17:23:53:

In Reply to: Re: Who We Are? posted by DAS on May 14, 1999 at 20:51:27:

Rochester Institute of Technology class of 76.
BS in Nuclear Medicine Technology

Roger Yost in St. Louis
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Webley amp; Scott Patriot- who owns one?

Msg. 111921  Posted by Daveyg on May 15, 1999 at 17:19:29:

Anybody ever own a Webley & Scott Patriot air rifle in .22.Just wondering what kind of quality we have here.How far off is their claim of 920 fps in .22.
Haven't even received my R9 from the springmam and I am looking for my next buy?

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Where can I get a QB22? (nt)

Msg. 111920  Posted by Timm on May 15, 1999 at 17:08:50:


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Lewis amp; Clark

Msg. 111919  Posted by Rick McAllister on May 15, 1999 at 17:08:22:

I am currently reading a book entitled �Undaunted Courage� by Stephen E. Ambrose, which chronicles the Lewis and Clark expedition in a manner that earned it a stint on the New York Bestsellers list. At the beginning of chapter nine, Lewis and his team (minus Clark, who is awaiting pick up downstream) are only a few days into their journey and are struggling down a shallow, early Fall, Ohio River. Three miles south of Wheeling, WV, at the request of a pioneer family living on an island there, Lewis is asked to stop. While with this family, Lewis records into his journal a demonstration of his airgun.

Ambrose�s account of this incident reads: �It was a pneumatic rifle purchased from a gunsmith named Isaiah Lukens from Philadelphia. The stock was the reservoir, and it could be pumped full of air to a pressure of five to six hundred psi, at which point it was not much inferior in hitting power to the Kentucky rifle. That it produced no smoke or noise astonished the frontiersmen.�

�Lewis fired seven times at fifty-five yards �with pretty good success.� He passed the curiosity around for examination. It went off accidentally; the ball passed through the hat of a woman about forty yards off, �cutting her temple; she fell instantly and the blood gusing from her temple. We were all in the greatest consternation supposed she was dead but in a minute she revived to our enespressable satisfaction, and by examination we found the wound by no means mortal or even dangerous.� Never again did he pass the air gun around when it was pumped up and loaded.�

How incredibly interesting.

Rick McAllister

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Re: Who We Are?

Msg. 111918  Posted by E Fudd on May 15, 1999 at 17:03:24:

In Reply to: Re: Who We Are? posted by DAS on May 15, 1999 at 16:34:30:

I don't think my wife "hates" them either, but she disapproves, and wishes I'd get a nice hobby like golf instead.
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Re: Apparently Taboo Subject

Msg. 111917  Posted by Jerry G on May 15, 1999 at 16:51:16:

In Reply to: Apparently Taboo Subject posted by Dave on May 15, 1999 at 14:56:31:

Dave,

Airguns, as such, are not subject to regulation by the BATF. However, if any silencer/moderator is "readily adaptable" to a firearm (like a .22 rimfire)it is a regulated device! The general consensus here is that unless the silencer/moderator is built as an intregal part of the airgun barrel (ala AirArms rifles) it may be "readily adaptable" to a firearm. Certainly the "screw-on" style silencers/moderators would probably be adaptable to a firearm. Thus, those who are using unregistered "silencers" on their airguns may be flirting with a potential legal problem.

You have the option to legally (unless there are local/state restrictions) purchase a silencer through a class III firearms dealer. These are the guys licensed to sell full-auto, short barreled shotguns, etc. I'm sure they could order whatever you want. Will cost you a $200 "transfer tax" fee in addition to the cost of the item itself and possibly application fees. Not to mention a couple months waiting for your background check.

In England, despite Draconian gun laws, silencers are not regulated! Airguns are routinely fitted with silencers there. Go figure. HTH

Jerry G

P.S. Some states may have laws which prohibit the use of silencers for hunting.


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Re: Who We Are?

Msg. 111916  Posted by Alex/Wi on May 15, 1999 at 16:46:11:

In Reply to: Who We Are? posted by Ron on May 14, 1999 at 10:39:24:

Born in Slovenia 42 years ago and shot my grampa's German break barrel "luftgun" before moving to the "States" in 1967. Currently fullfilling the duties of a project engineering supervisor and at the same company for the past 17 years. Re-addicted to the AG bug about two years ago, via this forum. Love to shoot my older Benji 3120 and Crosman 99 as well as the newer BSA SS and Maccari TX MkIII and some other stuff. Only one wife (13 yrs) and two kids (Micah-8, Mel-4). Aeronautical Engineering schooling...love to fly. Family, walleye fishing, camping and hunting are other things I enjoy.
Thanks for asking,

Alex/Wi
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Re: Who We Are?

Msg. 111915  Posted by DAS on May 15, 1999 at 16:34:30:

In Reply to: Re: Who We Are? posted by E Fudd on May 15, 1999 at 15:46:06:

Actually, I import(ed) Sharp air rifles from Japan because I really like their quality, power and accuracy. If the $ continues to rise against the yen, I might special order some Ace Hunters for those who really want one. My wife doesn't hate guns in general, she just doesn't like the fact that I have so many! (airguns that is).

Dave

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Marksman Biathlon/1790/1798

Msg. 111914  Posted by jcbii on May 15, 1999 at 16:22:12:

I just wanted to update a post I made earlier (probably removed by now) about the Marksman biathlon's price. I said FSI had it for $52.00.

Was over at Walmart today with my son, and saw it for $35.00 there. OK Lou, is it worth THAT price, or should I keep looking? (ha)
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Re: Who We Are?

Msg. 111913  Posted by jcbii on May 15, 1999 at 16:15:44:

In Reply to: Re: Who We Are? posted by DAS on May 15, 1999 at 12:48:38:

Gomenasai, nihongo o' hanashimasen. Anata wa Ego o hanashimas ka?
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Re: Anschutz 335

Msg. 111912  Posted by John Studt on May 15, 1999 at 16:08:54:

In Reply to: Re: Anschutz 335 posted by MikeD on May 14, 1999 at 23:46:34:

Thank you so much for the detailed response. I will read it with interest. I bought a used 335 action this week and will build it up into a nice rifle sometime soon. I'd be happy to send you a picture of what I come up with if you like.

John Studt
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Pssst. The BATF now has you on file, Dave. (NT).

Msg. 111911  Posted by Jeff Guinan on May 15, 1999 at 15:49:21:

In Reply to: Apparently Taboo Subject posted by Dave on May 15, 1999 at 14:56:31:



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Re: Who We Are?

Msg. 111910  Posted by E Fudd on May 15, 1999 at 15:46:06:

In Reply to: Re: Who We Are? posted by DAS on May 15, 1999 at 15:12:50:

I'm going to revert to English. It just takes too much time for me to write grammatically in Japanese. I guess I know why you import rifles from Japan now. I don't have a Sharp, although I would love it if you'd send me one. I do have a Japanese Airsoft Glock replica, but that's something entirely different. How does your wife and her family feel about the guns. With mine I get the feeling that it's a vice she tolerates. Kind of like putting up with an amiable drunk. Interestingly though, last time I went on a hunting trip she asked me to leave my real Glock with her. Something I never expected from my gun-hating wife.
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Re: Apparently Taboo Subject

Msg. 111909  Posted by JW on May 15, 1999 at 15:19:47:

In Reply to: Apparently Taboo Subject posted by Dave on May 15, 1999 at 14:56:31:


You can buy a Jim Macarri R9TK which has a permanent 6 inch moderator attached to the barrel. I have one and like it very much. It still makes some noise, but is quieter than stock. The sound of the pellets hitting my pellet trap make as much noise as the gun. Jim also sells the pro elite from air arms which has a similar setup.
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ditto to alan in GA,s post (NT)

Msg. 111908  Posted by anderld on May 15, 1999 at 15:18:29:

In Reply to: Re: worst.. um. hunting mistakes posted by Alan in GA on May 15, 1999 at 07:04:09:


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Re: Scope Alignment

Msg. 111906  Posted by Dave on May 15, 1999 at 15:16:00:

In Reply to: Scope Alignment posted by JW on May 15, 1999 at 13:57:05:

I had the same problem with my R1. After close examination, I discovered that the end cap on the receiver had been over-tightened/rotated, producing misalignment of the machined dovetail grooves. Since the rear mount was attached entirely on the end cap section, it seriously affected the scope alignment. A few taps with a plastic hammer easily corrected the condition. Not sure if this relates to your situation since it would only apply to two piece mounts... just a thought.

Dave
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Re: Who We Are?

Msg. 111905  Posted by DAS on May 15, 1999 at 15:12:50:

In Reply to: Re: Who We Are? posted by Elmer Fudd on May 15, 1999 at 13:17:08:

Curtis-san,

Boku no kanai mo Nihonjin desu. Sorekara, Hiroko-san no Eigo wa totemo jozu desu! Sharp no ea raifuru o mottemasuka?

Dave

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Apparently Taboo Subject

Msg. 111904  Posted by Dave on May 15, 1999 at 14:56:31:

I have been inquiring about the subject of airgun moderators for some time now with little to no useful information from anyone. I live in N.C. and have contacted dealers here in the States and in Europe. I am even willing to travel out of the country for the purpose of bringing one back (on a gun or otherwise). I fully understand at this point the serious legal, however gray, implications of owning/buying/selling/making/importing such devices. However, I am also aware that more than a few of you guys out there have and use them regularly. I appreciate the need for anonymity/playing stupid regarding this subject, but can't I persuade someone to give me some hints as to where/how/who could help me in either buying a gun with one already in place, or having one fitted to an airgun I already own. Any help would be greatly valued.

Dave
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Re: Recoil and POI or Recoil Sutra

Msg. 111903  Posted by Springer boy on May 15, 1999 at 14:52:20:

In Reply to: Re: Recoil and POI posted by LOU V.K. on May 15, 1999 at 10:06:27:

Yes, just let go and be one with the recoil.
Hummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm



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Re: Calculating recoil velocity - No

Msg. 111902  Posted by Ron B on May 15, 1999 at 14:46:47:

In Reply to: Re: Calculating recoil velocity - No posted by Jim P on May 15, 1999 at 12:31:26:

Jim,

It is my contention the accelerometers are the way to go. Then all the timing of the entire process could be monitored. If one wanted to do a custom breech, even the start of the pellet could be measured.

I think the following is critical- sear release; gun movement- positive, negative, flip or dip and twist; exit time. A computer graph of all the points along with the pellet weight and velocity would sure be a 'de-liar' on which gun is the smoothest-- etceteras. With an optic trigger at the muzzle and one three to four inches out and a three axis accelerometer, I believe this is possible. With one or two more chronometers, even the BC of the pellet could be measured.

Just a few random thoughts,

Ron
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ATTN: Dan and the Steroid Question of FPS @ 14 Pumps. Go read my reply(nt)

Msg. 111901  Posted by MartinL on May 15, 1999 at 14:42:36:

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Re: 392 steroid: Anyone know about how fast a 14 grain .22 flys out of a 392 steroid at 14 pumps?

Msg. 111900  Posted by MartinL on May 15, 1999 at 14:39:13:

In Reply to: 392 steroid: Anyone know about how fast a 14 grain .22 flys out of a 392 steroid at 14 pumps? posted by Dan on May 07, 1999 at 21:03:56:

Dan..My Streak posts nothing less that 800fps with CP pellets. It's average is in the 805-810 range. Where the Steroid shines(IMO) is it's ability to use much less than 14 pumps and be very, very predictable. I use 8 regularly(approx. 685fps) out on a home FT range of 55 yards and hit the florescent 2" swingers with a William's peep sight resting off a pillow! I do this way more times than not. Damn fine gun! ml
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Re: Calculating recoil velocity

Msg. 111899  Posted by Rick O on May 15, 1999 at 14:15:11:

In Reply to: Calculating recoil velocity posted by Russell Best on May 15, 1999 at 00:01:24:


Sounds like a good way to come up with nothing. Rick
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Re: Anyone had any experience with the RWS 46??

Msg. 111898  Posted by Mklingler on May 15, 1999 at 14:06:30:

In Reply to: Re: Anyone had any experience with the RWS 46?? posted by RBest on May 15, 1999 at 00:55:29:

You say that you feel the 46 is one of RWSs better field guns, but does that mean you think it is a good value or just the best that RWS has to offer? I know you're a big BSA fan. How do you compare it in accuracy and quality to say the Silverstar or Superstar? I just don't have any comparitive experience aside from the 46 to a TX. For that matter, how would you rate the R9 as compared to the Supersport, or is that apples to oranges? thanks
Mark
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career 707 " easy float "

Msg. 111897  Posted by anderld on May 15, 1999 at 14:03:11:

career 707 "easy float"

took delivery of 707 from krug�s hunter�s haven in feb. decided on career after hearing about them from tom and edith, reading about them in agl and other pubs, and finally shooting tom jue�s. up to the actual shooting I had made up my mind to buy a beeman super 10 (aka rapid 10). tom brought many of his airguns up to my place (I figured their value at around the 25% down we had placed on our property) including careers in 22 and 25 cal and his rapid in 22 cal. shooting on a 50 yd range I had set up things were perfect with the exception of a 5mph crosswind. At the end of the day comparing my 50 yd., 1 1/4", 10 shot, rapid groups to my 50 yd., 5/8", 10 shot, career groups I had to recognize truth and opt for the ugly duckling.

after its arrival, scoping, a-team reg and trigger mods, I noticed that my poi would be about an inch high at 3000 psi and would gradually drop for the first 25 to 30 shots and then stay constant until coming off reg. talking to a-team ray he suggested the moving poi would probably be remedied by free floating the barrel as the front sight assembly housing tied the reservoir to the barrel. after going through the procedure over the phone with him I was ready to do the job. then I thought of that long barrel flopping around with no support as I went creeping through the underbrush (it�s a guy thing). calling ray back he said he thought the problem was in the design of the barrel thread protector. since the cap clinched down tightly on the front sight housing assembly it tied the barrel to the housing and did not allow the barrel to float around. I asked if taking off the cap would circumvent this problem and he said it should, pointing out that once the cap is removed one can grab the end of the barrel and get a small amount of movement from it. when I asked whether the plastic spacer between barrel and upper reservoir should be removed he didn�t seem to think it was snug enough to be a factor, but then followed with, "but try it if just loosening the cap doesn�t work."

removal of cap dropped poi about two inches, but poi continued to drop another inch or so from 3000psi fill. removal of cap and plastic spacer resulted in no change in poi from fill til off reg. just installed a-team mods in friends 707 and his poi (he is much better shot than I) dropped 1 1/4" from 3000psi til half his avail shots were expended. using my career he experienced no change in poi. did the "easy float" on his gun and problem remedied.

so this is the "easy float". remove barrel thread protector, remove front sight housing assembly, remove plastic spacer between upper air reservoir and barrel. leave o-ring on barrel that is within front sight housing assembly, replace front sight housing assembly, place two small o-rings just behind threads of barrel and hand tighten thread protector onto these o-rings (these are installed just to provide enough thread friction to hold on the cap). you now have an almost free floated barrel with the protection provided by the front sight housing assembly.

and ray says, if your gun doesn't experience a change in poi there is no need to do this.


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Scope Alignment

Msg. 111896  Posted by JW on May 15, 1999 at 13:57:05:

I was just trying to mount a new Trophy 6-18 scope on my R9 using the Beeman deluxe mounts. At first it was shooting far left about 2 in at 20 ft. Cranking the adjustment all the way got it close but not quite. Then i tried at 25 yds and it was about on right to left. It seems that I don't have the scope sitting paralell (left to right) with the bore. Looking at it you can't visually see any misalignment. I have tried remounting it with basically the same results. Any ideas or suggestion on mounting theis scope. By the way I just took off another scope and mount that was very easy to align. Thanks.
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Re: Who We Are? (and why am I here?)

Msg. 111895  Posted by ToddN Alaska on May 15, 1999 at 13:48:33:

In Reply to: Who We Are? posted by Ron on May 14, 1999 at 10:39:24:

I'm a 29 year old with a BA in Biology. Still single
and loving it. I have a twin brother and we grew up as
missionary's kids (evangelical) in Swaziland and South Africa.
We now live in a small fishing community in Alaska
I'm not in a biology related field of work (working
in the commercial fishing industry) but would like to
get back to Africa and get into conservation there.
I caught the AG virus when I was just 6 or 7. I also
enjoy mountain biking, skiing, weightlifting, dogs
and adrenalin rushers like bungee-jumping and hiking
in bear country! Oh yea, and writing "you might be
an airgunner, if..." lines. :)

Todd Nothstine



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Re: Recoil and POI

Msg. 111894  Posted by MR Bulk� on May 15, 1999 at 13:35:56:

In Reply to: Recoil and POI posted by Nick on May 15, 1999 at 09:47:02:

And that is precisely why I am, after all

MR Bulk�


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Re: Why

Msg. 111893  Posted by Billy on May 15, 1999 at 13:31:57:

In Reply to: Re: Why posted by ERIC on May 15, 1999 at 12:48:55:

It has, when the gurus are gone, does it matter why? Some weren't banned, but choose NOT to post here. The rest could easily get around any "block" but also choose not to. Too bad, for all of us. They posted hard earned information for free to the benefit of us all....you can BUY a book from the Gaylords, and I did but it raised as many questions as it answered. Question is, who will answer? Who do you want doing your brain surgery, the chief neurosurgen at Mayo, or an med school student.
Billy
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The daisy powerline 500. what do you all think?

Msg. 111892  Posted by thorin brown on May 15, 1999 at 13:29:00:

The powerline 500 is a single shot c02 beretta lookalike. I have heard that this gun is quite accurate and has a great trigger pull. Can anyone tell me about it? more specifically where to find one and the going price for one in good repair.
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Re: Who We Are?

Msg. 111891  Posted by Elmer Fudd on May 15, 1999 at 13:17:08:

In Reply to: Re: Who We Are? posted by DAS on May 15, 1999 at 12:48:38:

Hai, so desu. Boku mo Nihongo heta desu. Okusan wa Eigo jozu desukara, hutsu Eigo hanashimasu. Sorekara takusan Nihongo ga wasuremashita.

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Re: Why

Msg. 111890  Posted by Bill on May 15, 1999 at 13:06:57:

In Reply to: Why posted by Ron on May 15, 1999 at 11:42:43:

Ron I can see where you are coming from, and I don't mean to totally discount your observations. I have been following this forum for a little less than a year so perhaps many of the "deleted" ones were gone prior to my reading. I will state that, just like your car, house etc. a lack of maintenance means steady deterioration. I've observed other forums where there were "no holds barred", and before long all you had were multiple variations of James Carville. The people who had any VALUABLE input just left; or at least didn't post! I think that there is much good info imparted here now, but, like I said earlier, perhaps I just missed the gurus.


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Re: pellets for BSA super 10?

Msg. 111889  Posted by ERIC on May 15, 1999 at 13:05:17:

In Reply to: Re: pellets for BSA super 10? posted by MartinL on May 15, 1999 at 10:28:54:

You can HAVE my 3 packs. They, surprisingly, group horribly in my 392. They feel a little loose.
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Re: Marksman Mod 70, .177

Msg. 111888  Posted by Dean Speidel on May 15, 1999 at 13:02:09:

In Reply to: Marksman Mod 70, .177 posted by Glenn on May 11, 1999 at 21:54:54:

I've got a Marksman 70 in .177. Great rifle, but,
like all spring guns, it can be rough on scopes...

Dean
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Re: Recoil and POI

Msg. 111887  Posted by ERIC on May 15, 1999 at 12:59:13:

In Reply to: Recoil and POI posted by Nick on May 15, 1999 at 09:47:02:

The reason is your sheridan is recoiless. I wish I had your sort of problems! I have never actually shot a real spring gun :(. My dream is to actually touch a pro-elite someday. To shoot one is beyond my comprehension.

for just $600, YOU can make an airgun deprived boy's dream come true.Don't wait, call now! ^-^
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Re: Beeman P1 going price?

Msg. 111886  Posted by ERIC on May 15, 1999 at 12:53:05:

In Reply to: Beeman P1 going price? posted by Adam on May 15, 1999 at 10:14:26:

Well, you could get a new one for around 330$ or so. Take some ideas from that

HTH
ERIC
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Re: Why

Msg. 111885  Posted by ERIC on May 15, 1999 at 12:48:55:

In Reply to: Why posted by Ron on May 15, 1999 at 11:42:43:

Hey, do you remember a place called shooters? That used to be one of my favorite forums to visit. Boy, I rememeber seeing russ post for the first time there * smiles happily*. but then a bunch of guys got in a fight and now there is a complicated lock system ( did the site shut down too?) and nobody ever goes there anymore. true, it's sad that Ld, JM, and several others were banned, but without edith, this place might have very well turned into another shooters.
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Re: Who We Are?

Msg. 111884  Posted by DAS on May 15, 1999 at 12:48:38:

In Reply to: Re: Who We Are? posted by Elmer Fudd on May 15, 1999 at 12:45:24:

Miwako-san wa Nihonjin desu ka? Sumimasen, boku no Nihongo wa warui desu ne!

Dave

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Re: Who We Are?

Msg. 111883  Posted by Elmer Fudd on May 15, 1999 at 12:45:24:

In Reply to: Who We Are? posted by Ron on May 14, 1999 at 10:39:24:

Well, for starters my real name's not Elmer Fudd, it's Curtis Larson. I'm a thirty year old cable service tech. I've been married 3 years to my wife Miwako. I live in Tacoma WA, and enjoy hunting, shooting, four wheel drives and unusual vehicles, and dogs.
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Re: Been there, done that

Msg. 111882  Posted by DAS on May 15, 1999 at 12:45:00:

In Reply to: Been there, done that posted by Mauibuck on May 15, 1999 at 04:57:09:

Those primary side pressure relief valves sure make a BIG pop when they open! I remember that hot hydro well.

Dave

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Re: Calculating recoil velocity - No

Msg. 111881  Posted by Jim P on May 15, 1999 at 12:31:26:

In Reply to: Calculating recoil velocity posted by Russell Best on May 15, 1999 at 00:01:24:

Russ,

I think that your method would work with a firearm, pcp, CO2, and "recoilless springer." What you would calculate is the .null" recoil which we know is really pretty insignificant for most springers. By the way I think that your suspended gun is going to do the same thing (the principal behind the FWB-300 recoilless mechinism.)

It is my understanding that what you are trying to measure is the "felt" recoil (as in felt by the shooter) to compare two "tunes" of the same gun (or did I come in on the wrong thread?)

Along the lines of, "A politician (anything you want) comes up with no solution to a dificult problem. A good engineer comes up with a dificult solution to a dificult problem. But it takes a genius to come up with a simple solution to a dificult problem. I think that the accelerometers and plot of the whole cycle along with the human perceptions are the answer.

I am not even sure where the perceived recoil is actually sensed - my first guess would be to put the accelerometer on the stock near the butt (however that is not really a very sensitive part of the body.)

Good luck!

Jim P.
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Re: Calculating recoil velocity

Msg. 111880  Posted by E Fudd on May 15, 1999 at 12:23:58:

In Reply to: Calculating recoil velocity posted by Russell Best on May 15, 1999 at 00:01:24:

This stands to reason on pneumatics and firearms. After all recoil should be an equal and opposite reaction to the bullet being fired, but I think it is overly simplistic. I have a 7.62x39 with a muzzle break that cuts down felt recoil by at least 50%. Automatic actions also reduce felt recoil. Heavier bullets increase it. There just seem to be too many factors involved.
For springers of course there is very little recoil caused by the pellet being accelerated, but I am sure you could come up with some rule of thumb as to how powerful the recoil would be based on the power of the gun. Then again you would probably have to factor in whether it was tuned or not.
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Re: Lou, do any new pellets come prep'd with any coatings?(nt)

Msg. 111879  Posted by John M on May 15, 1999 at 12:22:40:

In Reply to: Re: Lou, do any new pellets come prep'd with any coatings?(nt) posted by LOU V.K. on May 15, 1999 at 11:56:36:

I know whether to clean or not to clean your barrel regularly has been discussed ad nauseum, but as the bank robber said as he looked down the barrel of Dirty Harry's 357 magnum, "I just gots to know".

When I shoot uncleaned CP lites in a HW97 there is a marked change in the size of my groups after about 150-200 shots. This has been documented under cotrolled conditions over three FT shoots and practice sessions.

Does pellet cleaning followed by lubrication reduce or eliminate the need for periodic barrel cleaning?
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Re: Stock finishing

Msg. 111878  Posted by tom on May 15, 1999 at 12:17:35:

In Reply to: Stock finishing posted by LOU V.K. on May 12, 1999 at 09:18:49:

that sounds like a nice finish. do you have any tips on stripping/preparing, and applying a dark type of stain? thanks!
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Been doing that for a few years.

Msg. 111877  Posted by WJS/wi/usa on May 15, 1999 at 12:16:24:

In Reply to: What do you think about listing your location with name?(nt) posted by Alan in Georgia on May 15, 1999 at 07:00:23:

I copied the idea from Tom Jue in California but added the USA part because we have quite a few members from other countries too.

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Re: BC: who's importing the Rutten ?

Msg. 111876  Posted by Jim P on May 15, 1999 at 12:05:02:

In Reply to: BC: who's importing the Rutten ? posted by RBest on May 15, 1999 at 00:48:34:

Russ,

Go to Go to www.cherrys.com and select the inventory page - really neat website. They have one of the pistols for sale - along with two of the rifles and under Browning the electric-cocker.
This is where I got mine.

Jim P.

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Re: Lou, do any new pellets come prep'd with any coatings?(nt)

Msg. 111875  Posted by LOU V.K. on May 15, 1999 at 11:56:36:

In Reply to: Lou, does any new pellets come prep'd with any coatings?(nt) posted by MartinL on May 15, 1999 at 11:48:57:


In most cases,pellet makers will not divulge whatever product they *might* put on their products. In the case of the C/P's,they are washed to remove *most* of the manufacuring oils that the pellets come from the dies with,but,this is an incomplete wash. It still leaves some oil on the pellets which help to slow down the oxidation process.


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Re: Washing Primiers?

Msg. 111873  Posted by LOU V.K. on May 15, 1999 at 11:49:47:

In Reply to: Re: Washing Primiers? posted by MartinL on May 15, 1999 at 11:30:48:

Use of a very strong degreaser,followed by a boiling water rinse,then a blow job on the pellets with a hair dryer is considered by most 'old timers' to be a minimum for getting the manufacturing oils,and lead'swarf' off of the pellets. They must then be coated with some substance which will be compatible with the power system of the airgun that the pellets are to be used in. If they are not coated *IMMEDIATELY* following this cleaning,they will oxidise very rapidly and all of your efforts at cleaning will be to no avail.

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Lou, does any new pellets come prep'd with any coatings?(nt)

Msg. 111872  Posted by MartinL on May 15, 1999 at 11:48:57:

In Reply to: Re: It works for pellets posted by LOU V.K. on May 15, 1999 at 11:38:07:

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Re: Crosman 2289- what do you all think?

Msg. 111871  Posted by Jeff on May 15, 1999 at 11:42:46:

In Reply to: Crosman 2289- what do you all think? posted by thorin brown on May 13, 1999 at 18:22:14:

I didn't like this gun. My friend is trying to sell his new one because he doens't have time for it. I used it yesterday afternoon. I don't like the sights and I don't like haveing to pump it up ten times after every shot. It gets really tiresome after a while. I'll just wait until the new CO2 version hits Canada.
Although it is great for portability, fits in any old backpack when broken down. I guess that why they call it the backpacker huh?
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Why

Msg. 111870  Posted by Ron on May 15, 1999 at 11:42:43:

I have been viewing this forum for over a year and
have posted many times..During this time I have
observed this forum going down hill...I realize
the gaylords run this site, and they deserve a
fair amount of credit..but as of late i have
noticed Mrs Gaylord awnering a lot of questions.
This is because a lot of the old timers have moved
on..to a more open forum...It seems to me that
Mrs Gaylord takes it upon herself to regulate the
forum and its members opinions...We have lost a
good number of knowedgeable people on this forum.
due to Mrs Gaylords exhalted view of herself and
her abilitys..I mean no disrespect towards Mrs
Gaylord..I only wish she would take a more passive
roll and let us regain the insight of folks like
J.M....and others....Regards Ron
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Re: It works for pellets

Msg. 111869  Posted by LOU V.K. on May 15, 1999 at 11:38:07:

In Reply to: It works for pellets posted by RBest on May 15, 1999 at 11:12:29:

As Russel says,Ballistol does remove oxidation,but,if allowed to dry,will also allow leading of the barrel. If shot while still wet with Ballistol,it will soften the trasfer port and breach seals,making them gummy,in most 'gas guns'. I have used Ballistol to clean up one batch of heavily oxidised C/P's and was VERY pleased with the resulting shine on the pellets.I then lubed them for a piston gun with Pledge furniture polish. Old rough looking pellets became like fresh stock,and,shot as well as any I have ever tried.
I like the stuff,but, reallise that it is not a panacea for all ills.

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FOR SALE-Air Soft " Tech 9 " Model 12 Daisy

Msg. 111868  Posted by Ed Woods on May 15, 1999 at 11:37:29:

DAISY MODEL 12 AIRSOFT AS NEW IN BOX. COMPLETE SYSTEM INCLUDES .25 CAL. PLASTIC PELLETS AND ALL SHELL CASINGS $100. tEL 504-486-9107.
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Re: Washing Primiers?

Msg. 111867  Posted by MartinL on May 15, 1999 at 11:30:48:

In Reply to: Re: Washing Primiers? posted by ERIC on May 14, 1999 at 19:51:10:

I just washed pellets, went out and shot a few of the first I washed and STILL got "lead stained" fingers. Washing may be a bigger job than just gently swirling them around dishwater..ml
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Re: pellets for BSA super 10?

Msg. 111866  Posted by LOU V.K. on May 15, 1999 at 11:29:44:

In Reply to: Re: pellets for BSA super 10? posted by MartinL on May 15, 1999 at 10:28:54:

If you consider that Benjamin and Sheridan are owned by Crosman,can you figure the rest?
The C/P's are all from one die/machine,per box. Those at the beginning and ending of a batch run,and,a mixture of pellets from several machines,running concurrently are mixed together to producethe balance of Crosman's pellet production,with the exeption of their match wadcutters,which are all from one die,in one machine. This provides much greater consistancy in any one batch,or,box/case of pellets. All advanced shooters buy in large quantity in a given batch,once they have determined that the given batch is compatible with their barrel. This way,they get more consistant results in their match shooting. Plinkers and hunters would do well to do likewise.

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It works for pellets

Msg. 111865  Posted by RBest on May 15, 1999 at 11:12:29:

In Reply to: Ballistol Seems Friendly Enough to Prep Pellets After Washing? posted by MartinL on May 15, 1999 at 10:33:16:

And it removes oxidation too. Russ
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Thanks Bill. N/T

Msg. 111864  Posted by LOU V.K. on May 15, 1999 at 11:10:52:

In Reply to: RWS 48 series Adjustable Butt pads - Who has them, I'd like to know also. (NT) posted by Bill L on May 15, 1999 at 09:37:10:


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So am I Jerry

Msg. 111863  Posted by RBest on May 15, 1999 at 11:08:45:

In Reply to: Hey Russ, I'm still waiting for a BeeSA T-shirt! (NT) posted by Jerry G on May 15, 1999 at 09:43:04:

The problem was I needed to order nearly a hundred, and the 2 silkscreeners I went to wanted cash in advance. Couldn't swing it. Russ
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Copperhead .22's are 14.3 gr. NT

Msg. 111862  Posted by RBest on May 15, 1999 at 11:01:30:

In Reply to: pellets for BSA super 10? posted by Anestis on May 15, 1999 at 07:23:27:

nt
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Re: Looking for advice on Beeman R11 Mk II

Msg. 111861  Posted by Jerry G on May 15, 1999 at 10:45:56:

In Reply to: Looking for advice on Beeman R11 Mk II posted by George on May 15, 1999 at 05:38:33:

Check Jim Maccari's site if you are considering either. He advertises his "Field Target Dominator" version of the R11 at $525. Regular R9 tuned at $295. Not to mention his custom R9 variations!
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Re: Benjamin Model G397 CO2

Msg. 111860  Posted by David P on May 15, 1999 at 10:45:53:

In Reply to: Benjamin Model G397 CO2 posted by Dennis K on May 15, 1999 at 08:21:33:

I also have this gun, and get about 22-25 usable shots per cartridges. Tim McMurray at MAC-1 can alter it to accept two cartridges or bulk fill.
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Ballistol Seems Friendly Enough to Prep Pellets After Washing?

Msg. 111859  Posted by MartinL on May 15, 1999 at 10:33:16:

Ballistol goes on and dries over time. I wonder if this would be a good final prep for pellets once washed, even for springers as long as they are allowed to dry. Any thoughts? ml
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Re: Who We Are?

Msg. 111858  Posted by ProfHoff on May 15, 1999 at 10:30:08:

In Reply to: Re: Who We Are? posted by Ken Hildebrand on May 14, 1999 at 22:52:07:

No, alas, I cannot play the harmonica. However, my wife says, "Out of the empty cave blows the greatest wind," as she points to my head. I got potential.

Regards,

ProfHoff
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Re: pellets for BSA super 10?

Msg. 111857  Posted by MartinL on May 15, 1999 at 10:28:54:

In Reply to: pellets for BSA super 10? posted by Anestis on May 15, 1999 at 07:23:27:

I saw a buddy of mine shoot his 10 using Ben/Sher Diablos and was nailing the heck out of stuff at 50 yards. These are available from Jumbo Sports from time to time. They do go fast though, I will buy many when I find them for my Steroid. Many wonder if they are really CP pellets in disquise..ml
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Re: Crosman 160 - What to look for...

Msg. 111856  Posted by Jerry G on May 15, 1999 at 10:25:58:

In Reply to: Re: Crosman 160 - What to look for... posted by LOU V.K. on May 14, 1999 at 13:46:22:

Most common early 160s had an "automatic safety" on the rear of the lower receiver tube with the trigger "pinned" through the stock.
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Re: Crosman scope mounts redux

Msg. 111855  Posted by ProfHoff on May 15, 1999 at 10:25:32:

In Reply to: Re: Crosman scope mounts posted by Tom Holst on May 15, 1999 at 00:08:24:


Thanks for the mount information. However, my question remains: Which of the two mount systems provides the best results -- the most rigid scope attachment -- and is least likely to damage the gun?

Presently, I am using the B272 (larger) mounts (epoxied to the gun's main tube) because I think they are more rigid. However, the smaller 459MT mounts look nicer. Decisions, decisions.

Regards,

ProfHoff
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Re: Lou...did ya do the test re lubing????

Msg. 111854  Posted by LOU V.K. on May 15, 1999 at 10:24:12:

In Reply to: Re: Lou...did ya do the test re lubing???? posted by GH on May 15, 1999 at 03:50:25:


I did the testing,and found that the greatest benefit was to be found in the consistancy of velocity in the higher velocity airguns. The lower velocity 10M guns showed the least amount of change. I attribute this to a lesser amount of obturation being required by these lower powered guns,than the 'big boomer' F.T. rifles. To prove this,I turned the velocity of one of my finest PCP, F.T. rifles down from 875 fps,with 10.5 C/P's,to 550 fps,with RWS R 10's.This was done in steps with several different pellets being used at each step. The pellets lubed with Lube one were the most consistant,followed by a couple of other flammable lubes. Of the lubes which were usable in piston guns,the Pledge is still the best for consistancy and keeps the barrel the cleanest.
All lubricant show a very slight decrease in velocity across the board. I attribute this to a movement of the pellet,prior to obturation of it's skirt,thus,*some* initial blow by.
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I wonder...

Msg. 111853  Posted by rk on May 15, 1999 at 10:23:40:

In Reply to: Benjamin Model G397 CO2 posted by Dennis K on May 15, 1999 at 08:21:33:

(not an answer, just more questions)

if it's:

1) Possible to convert it bulk.
2) Possible to convert it to PCP.
3) Worth it to do 1 or 2.

DAS, Mac-1, A-TEAM? What do you think?

-rk
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Beeman P1 going price?

Msg. 111852  Posted by Adam on May 15, 1999 at 10:14:26:

I have a P1 that is mint condition with box and paper work.
I havent used it for awhile and wouldnt mind selling it.
What is the going price?
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Re: Who We Are?

Msg. 111851  Posted by Jordan on May 15, 1999 at 10:14:13:

In Reply to: Who We Are? posted by Ron on May 14, 1999 at 10:39:24:

Professor in Computer Science from Sofia University (Bulgaria), 58.
Ph.D. in Mathematics from Moscow University.
I'm working also as a technical director
in a local branch of Texas based outsourcing company (e-commerce, Y2K services).
I'm married, have girl and boy -all in computer business.
If you are curios - Sofia is a big (> 1 M) and beautiful South European city.
All my American colleagues like it.
To be honest, these days it is hot here, 30 miles away from the
yugoslavian border. A house three miles from my home was destroyed by HARM missile
week ago (e-e-e guys from USAF, 30 miles groups are _really_ open).
Fortunately, no casualties.

Three years ago airguns here are under the same restrictions as firearms. Now they are free for everybody older
then 18. The market is full with the cheap China scarp and inexpensive but reliable Czeh and Spanish guns. The prices
are higher then in USA ($220 for Spanish magnum). Now I have three guns and four pistols:
Gamo Expo - good starter;
Diana (RWS) 48 - fines German rifles are rare here, but I found almost new RWS 48 and went in troubles,
what you can easily guess. After death of the spring (~2000 shots)
I replaced it by custom one made in a local AK factory.
I was quite skeptic about the results of this surgery, but the result was an excellent, accurate gun
with good shutting behavior. I lost some fps, but it is still magnum. IMHO 48's are victims of the
more power they can spend.
Norica Mavric - 0.22 Magnum in a range of Gamo Hunter, but better made.
CZ Tex break barrel Czech pistol, well made and accurate.
Three CO2 guns - Crosman 1008 - all plastic but good shutter, Gamo R-77 (from my visit in Austin),
recently Makarov (very curios gun).
My son and I have a lot of fun in informal target shutting and some pest control.
Jordan



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Re: Recoil and POI

Msg. 111850  Posted by LOU V.K. on May 15, 1999 at 10:06:27:

In Reply to: Re: Recoil and POI posted by Bill L on May 15, 1999 at 09:56:02:

Continuous eye contact with the target is a major portion of the type of 'follow through' that is needed for good shooting results with any type of weapon. Consistancy in every way is what produces good marksmen. Any change in hold,grip pressure,cheek or butt plate pressure or position,etc. will move the point of impact,especially so with piston guns.
The internal dynamics of piston powered airguns is severe,but,very consistant. Any effort on the part of the shooter to control,or,dampen these dynamic internal movements is sure to destroy the consistance of POI. Just let the bloody thing jump about by itself.

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Re: Different Pellets move the POI

Msg. 111849  Posted by len sawyer on May 15, 1999 at 10:05:31:

In Reply to: Different Pellets move the POI posted by Bill L on May 15, 1999 at 09:28:53:

Bill
It has been my experience that even in regular firearms such as 22 cal there is a zero shift when changing ammo. I shoot an Anschutz 54 free rifle in a smallbore league,and if I go from Federal Gold Med. to other ammo I have a small amount of zero change--enough to make you miss the bull consistantly.I was out in my yard the other day and shooting my rws 100. I shot first with some meistergluglen 7.5 gr. and at 43 yards got a 2 in group. Switched to Lapua rifle and the group moved 1-2 inchs higher and became a 1 1/8 in.group. My FWB 300 S shot the Meistercluglen the best. I guess you have to sit down and play with all your guns and take advantage of the good weather. Hope this helps
Len
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Re: Looking for advice on Beeman R11 Mk II

Msg. 111848  Posted by BSJ on May 15, 1999 at 10:03:38:

In Reply to: Looking for advice on Beeman R11 Mk II posted by George on May 15, 1999 at 05:38:33:

I have a R11 that I just love.

I'm not sure I would recomend it for a teen ager. It's a very muzzle heavy gun which can make off-hand shooting difficult if your not in good shape. Jim Maccari recommends the R9 for young shooters and old alike. So maybe the R9 would be a better choice than the R11.

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Re: Calculating recoil velocity

Msg. 111847  Posted by ProfHoff on May 15, 1999 at 10:03:26:

In Reply to: Calculating recoil velocity posted by Russell Best on May 15, 1999 at 00:01:24:

Muzzle energy in ft lb divided by gun weight in lb yields units of ft --- not the units of ft/sec that you want.

How about the old momentum formula? ==> mv = mv

Mass of gun times velocity of gun = mass of pellet times velocity of pellet

(mgun)(vgun) = (mpellet)(vpellet) Solved for vgun it is vgun = (mpellet)(vpellet) / (mgun)

Might have to consider the mass of the air expelled in addition to the pellet mass.

Just a thought.

Regards,

ProfHoff
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Washing pellets, help I'm an AG nut! Got .22s and .177s all over my kitchen counter

Msg. 111846  Posted by MartinL on May 15, 1999 at 10:01:26:

I jumped right on the bandwagon and went to the sink and got the collander out and washed every pellet I own, old and brand new. Freud would have had a chapter on this without doubt.

Is there any substance(s) intentionally deposited on certain pellets? Never know til you ask..ml
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Re: Who We Are?

Msg. 111845  Posted by rk on May 15, 1999 at 09:58:34:

In Reply to: Who We Are? posted by Ron on May 14, 1999 at 10:39:24:

30, recently married, B.S. in M.I.S. from Widener University. Research Fellow/Software Developer/Web Designer for DoD consulting firm in Nothern VA.

First AG was Crosman 140 (who's wasn't?!) and then briefly eventually on to the BSA SS "Harsh-anator" and then settled on an HW-97. Also have venerable Webley Mark 1 Air pistol, B/S EB20. Also shoot sporting clays.

Find fun in mountain biking, building over-clocked PCs (my 266 runs at 448, my 300 at 504), fly fishing, and writing.

Current projects: Airgunning Parody web-site. Any ideas appreciated.

rk

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Re: Recoil and POI

Msg. 111844  Posted by Bill L on May 15, 1999 at 09:56:02:

In Reply to: Recoil and POI posted by Nick on May 15, 1999 at 09:47:02:

YES!! I am not consistent in the field, it is almost
impossible to use the same hold each time.
The only thing that seems to make a difference is
keeping eye contact on the target after firing. I
find that if I don't keep eye contact, then I will
definitely miss!
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Re: Different Pellets move the POI

Msg. 111843  Posted by LOU V.K. on May 15, 1999 at 09:54:43:

In Reply to: Different Pellets move the POI posted by Bill L on May 15, 1999 at 09:28:53:

Because of what you have discovered about the varying POI shown by various pellets,I keep a list,which tells me which pellet to use,exclusively,in each of my air guns. This is no different than what occurs with my firearms. Of my seven .22 match guns,only two of them perform well with the same ammo. The rest each show a preference for some other product.
I do find that most of my F.T. rifles shoot best with C/P's,and,*most* of my 10 M rifles like RWS R 10's. I do have one PCP F.T. rifle that much prefers Bisely Magnum pellets,and,one of my 10 M rifles shows a definate preference for H and N Finale Match pellets. Testing several dufferent pellets in each air gun is the only way to find out which your particular gun prefers. When that is discovered,stick to that one pellet,exclusively.

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Any holster for the S W Model 41 will do the job (nt)

Msg. 111842  Posted by CB on May 15, 1999 at 09:52:32:

In Reply to: Samp;W 78G Holster posted by Scubablizz on May 15, 1999 at 00:51:36:



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Re: peep sight 4 SS

Msg. 111840  Posted by Jerry G on May 15, 1999 at 09:52:10:

In Reply to: peep sight 4 SS posted by Rusty on May 14, 1999 at 19:24:42:

Rusty,
Jerry Rhodes did everything but order it for you. See msg# 111218 below (May 13, 10:23:52).
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Re: Who We Are? Indeed!!!!

Msg. 111839  Posted by MikeD on May 15, 1999 at 09:51:16:

In Reply to: Re: Who We Are? Indeed!!!! posted by CJ on May 15, 1999 at 09:35:36:

This gets my vote as the most interesting string of messages ever to appear on this forum! It's been great to "meet" all of you.
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Re: worst.. um. hunting mistakes

Msg. 111838  Posted by MikeD on May 15, 1999 at 09:48:31:

In Reply to: Re: worst.. um. hunting mistakes posted by Alan in GA on May 15, 1999 at 07:04:09:

I agree, the chickadee was the real loss!

I have nothing against blue jays, either, but it is interesting to note that they were recently re-classified as corvids; i.e. closely related to crows, grackles, starlings, magpies, etc.
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Recoil and POI

Msg. 111837  Posted by Nick on May 15, 1999 at 09:47:02:

If in order to get the point of impact to be consistent in a spring piston air rifle the gun must be held EXACTLY the same every shot, how do you do this in the field when you are using whatever rest is available? The artillery rest seems to work for me at the bench but when using the corner of a building or a fence post what do you do? My sheridan shoots to the same poi no matter how I hold it. My FWBs & RWS will not do this and I have been trying for 17 yrs. Does anyone else have this problem?
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Hey Russ, I'm still waiting for a BeeSA T-shirt! (NT)

Msg. 111836  Posted by Jerry G on May 15, 1999 at 09:43:04:

In Reply to: Save me a large Tim! ( or reserve one?) posted by RBest on May 15, 1999 at 00:57:44:


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How do you disassemble a biathlon?

Msg. 111835  Posted by Acer on May 15, 1999 at 09:41:25:

I want to do a little lubing and stoning of the trigger on a marksman biathlon. The problem is I can't figure out how to get the action out of the stock. I have figured out how to get the barrel and forend off. If you know how to do this without breaking the stock let me know. Thanks all


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RWS 48 series Adjustable Butt pads - Who has them, I'd like to know also. (NT)

Msg. 111834  Posted by Bill L on May 15, 1999 at 09:37:10:

In Reply to: RWS 48 series Adjustable Butt pads- Who has them too ? nt. posted by vZc on May 14, 1999 at 22:08:42:

NT
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Re: Who We Are? Indeed!!!!

Msg. 111833  Posted by CJ on May 15, 1999 at 09:35:36:

In Reply to: Who We Are? posted by Ron on May 14, 1999 at 10:39:24:

Ron thank you very much for posting this question.
This is one of the best posts I've read on this forum to date. Between money and time the only shows I get to goto are local so this is a great way of meeting other airheads. It looks like we are in very good company with some of the most intelligent technical and mechanical around. I being the latter of the two so forgive any typos or spelling errors. We are predominantly male upstanding in class with a great hobby in common.
OH yes we are all handsome!
Kudos again for the post.

Lob'n lead
CJ
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Different Pellets move the POI

Msg. 111832  Posted by Bill L on May 15, 1999 at 09:28:53:

At ~20 yards from a bench, CPs group at least a half inch higher
than Silver Bears, in my RWS48 .22. This seems strange that their
would be that much difference.

I had sighted it in with RWS points, but they were grouping higher
and right of both the CPs and the Bears.

If I leave it high for the CP's, so that it hits about the bottom
of the top post of the crosshairs, then it is almost dead on with the
Silver Bears.

I am not certain I'm not getting some scope movement, but it is
difficult to tell.

It seems to me that someone would pretty much have to stick with one
pellet, if you want to be accurate.

Do all airguns display this kind of different trajectories with
different pellets? Even TX200's and Premier Sport's?
Do you experienced airgunners stick with one pellet?

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Re: scroll down the page.... nt

Msg. 111831  Posted by Mike Reames on May 15, 1999 at 09:19:29:

In Reply to: stealth posted by EricF on May 15, 1999 at 08:35:13:

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Re: Giving replies without firsthand knowledge

Msg. 111830  Posted by wved on May 15, 1999 at 09:11:41:

In Reply to: Re: Giving replies without firsthand knowledge posted by jcbii on May 15, 1999 at 02:55:35:

Very good opinion! This is a forum of ideas and and "bogus" info will be challenged here if it is serious enough, but there are FEW "corrections" by those who "know better" to "so much BS". I don't think there is much "BS", but I really don't know. I personally wouldn't want anyone to refrain from posting info that they believe is correct and helpful, even if it is "second hand.
Well, I've muddied up the AGL waters too much, so bye y,all & happy airgunning! wved
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Re: TX got here!!!

Msg. 111829  Posted by MartinL on May 15, 1999 at 08:53:07:

In Reply to: TX got here!!! posted by JMartin on May 14, 1999 at 23:03:00:

JMartin..That's a good reason I had mine come complete, MK4 w/Bushnell Trophy 6x18 & high Maxi Mounts. I was shooting with an hour!

You'll love the 200. As I posted earlier, the CP heavies really handle distance and wind great..ml
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Re: is there a true semiauto RIFLE in .22

Msg. 111828  Posted by pilkguns on May 15, 1999 at 08:52:57:

In Reply to: Re: is there a true semiauto RIFLE in .22 posted by MR Bulk� on May 15, 1999 at 05:18:48:


At the great risk of becoming too interested and then probably having to go get a second mortgage to afford it:

1) What gun is this?
the action is made by Steyr-Mannlicher, basically the same as their LP5, wood and marketing is by Haenul Suhl, who Steyr owns.

2) Available in PCP?
yes, only that way,

3) What is the magazine capacity?
5 .177 holes in the magazine, comes with 8 magazines, so can I say its 40 shotter? Uh oh, now Hillary and bill will want to take it from me
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stealth

Msg. 111827  Posted by EricF on May 15, 1999 at 08:35:13:

I would like info on the gunpower stealth. Who sells it, how much, and input from any owners. TIA
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Re: Who We Are?

Msg. 111826  Posted by Dennis K on May 15, 1999 at 08:34:59:

In Reply to: Who We Are? posted by Ron on May 14, 1999 at 10:39:24:

I'm 58 and retired after 31 years in the pharmaceutical industry. Wife and I started a medical billing business which we run from our home. Bought my first air gun out in Alamosa, Colorado in the local K-Mart and shipped it home. Been addicted ever since. Now own 10 pistols and rifles: Gamo, Daisy, RWS, Crosman and even a Chines pistol which is a total waste of good steel. When not shooting, I build wood ship models, am a ham radio operator and an amateur astromomer. Air guns are great!!! Dennis
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Re: What do you think about listing your location with name?(nt)

Msg. 111825  Posted by PAL on May 15, 1999 at 08:34:56:

In Reply to: What do you think about listing your location with name?(nt) posted by Alan in Georgia on May 15, 1999 at 07:00:23:

some folks might want to keep privacy to a maximum, but the coolest thing that's happened to me on this forum is that it led to meeting a local shooting partner. CJ posted a post that located a few airgunners on the forum in Tulsa area. He and I got together for plinking at my house and had a blast. We plan on doing it weekly and hopefully meeting some of the others.

Paul

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Re: PAL: the Mk1's have excellent possibilities

Msg. 111824  Posted by PAL on May 15, 1999 at 08:26:54:

In Reply to: PAL: the Mk1's have excellent possibilities posted by RBest on May 15, 1999 at 01:12:38:

Yeah I'm thinking about it, Tim told me about the ld Mark I at Little Rock. He told me how that gun was winning matches against big buck pistols. Tim is a great guy to talk to, be careful he is part of the reason the forums get you addicted. Talk to him in person and it's mainlining pure airgun.

I tell you. This is as bad as the Z28. You get modification crazy. Steriods, ld's, Maccari tunes, bulk fill conversions.....

Paul

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Benjamin Model G397 CO2

Msg. 111823  Posted by Dennis K on May 15, 1999 at 08:21:33:

I recently purchased a Benjamin Model G397 CO2 rifle and much to my disappointment I had to send it back within a day after I got it. Got about 18 shots with the first CO2 cartridge and after I installed the second one, the gun began leaking from the barrel and the breech. Sent it to Crosman and got it back with a new valve assembly. Still was only getting about 22 shots per cylinder so I called Crosman and they told me to return the gun again. I thought I'd be getting better quality than this. In the past several years I've purchased RWS, Gamo, Daisy and never had to return a gun. Comments on this particular gun would be appreciated. Thanks. Dennis
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Re: Who We Are?

Msg. 111822  Posted by Bill L on May 15, 1999 at 07:36:03:

In Reply to: Who We Are? posted by Ron on May 14, 1999 at 10:39:24:

34, BS in CS from UT Dallas, senior software developer for an accounting software
company. Married, 4 1/2 month old son.
Always been interested in hunting/firearms, but recently discovered high quality
airguns. Have to live near the city to work, so it's difficult to find a place to
shoot conventional firearms much.

Great thing about airguns (springers anyway), is you can take them fishing or camping
and shoot some targets or turtles without someone calling the police on you!

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pellets for BSA super 10?

Msg. 111821  Posted by Anestis on May 15, 1999 at 07:23:27:

I 'm "new kid on the block". I 'm reading the letters for about 10 days and I like the forum.
I recently bought a bsa super 10 (0.22 cal).
I 've tested Bulldog, H&N field & target,BSA excalibur, H&N silver point,Gamo match,
crosman copperhead at 10 meters from bench rest.
BSA and GAMO seem to be the best.Bulldog is aufull. Any opinions on these pellets (I cant find others here easily). Anyone who knows the weight of copperheads? Thank you!
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or abreviate like so(nt)

Msg. 111820  Posted by Alan-GA on May 15, 1999 at 07:05:40:

In Reply to: What do you think about listing your location with name?(nt) posted by Alan in Georgia on May 15, 1999 at 07:00:23:

x
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Airgun Letter Forum: Messages posted in the past 2 days

Re: SM 1000

Msg. 108239  Posted by carlos on May 01, 1999 at 06:22:46:

In Reply to: Re: SM 1000 posted by JB on May 01, 1999 at 01:44:43:

JB, I own an SM-1000 and have fired a BSA Supersport on several occasion. The quality,ease of loading and handling award goes to the SS. Price, power and ease of scope mounting goes the SM due to the odd ball size of the scope rail on all BSA products currently imported. Both guns are very accurate with the right pellet and are very tuneable. You may want to e-mail Russ Best about whether the scope rail from the new SilverStar can be retrofitted to the Supersport. If it can, lets hope PSI will import a whole bunch of those rails. Every mount I tried to use on my SuperStars wouldn't fit right except for the expensive one from B-Square.
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Re: Best deal/place for Beeman R9?

Msg. 108237  Posted by MR Bulk� on May 01, 1999 at 04:24:00:

In Reply to: Best deal/place for Beeman R9? posted by Ted on May 01, 1999 at 01:48:38:

Ted,

Also I believe Paul Watts is offering a new R-9 in .177 for $299, and this price includes his legendary tune. Seems one of the better deals out there.

MR Bulk�


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Re: Scope Mount and Scope Stop

Msg. 108236  Posted by CK on May 01, 1999 at 04:12:25:

In Reply to: Scope Mount and Scope Stop posted by Eric Field on May 01, 1999 at 00:03:33:

Eric,

You spent a considerable sum buying a Beeman.
Yes, it definately requires a special made Airgun Scope to handle the different thrusts involved.
Aaaaaaaand a Scope Mount.

Why not go the Beeman Dampa Scope Mount?
It will cost you dearly, the best there is.
3-allen screws (one Piece) hold it beyond firm to the gun. Takes a lot of snap-jar out before the scope receiving it.

I have tried Brand-X types. Then ya have to add front/rear scope mount stops. Looks like a junk-pile hanging on your stylish airgun. 50-ahots later one of my scope rings broke. Grrrrrrrr
Beeman also has another 1-piece non-adjustable mount. It looks good and is half price compared to the Dampa. It is not rubber mounted like the Dampa.

DO NOT play with those multiple adjustable type Scope Mounts.
Friends of mine did and ended up tossing them in the garbage. Nothing worse than 20-shots and everything is thrown out of whack.

My Dealer put it to me this way. "How much do you value your Scope? Lifetime Warrenty, great!
Can you be without it 6 - 8 weeks while it is in being repaired?" I went with the expensive Dampa.

BTW Just because the Gamo costs less than a Beeman, the same outrageous backward/forward/up thrust energy is involved. Enough to blow the lenses out of a normal rifle scope.
Good Luck,
ck
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Gamo Compact

Msg. 108235  Posted by Dave on May 01, 1999 at 03:37:15:

Anyone out there have an opinion on the Gamo Compact. I am looking for a decent entry level target pistol and thought this might be the way to go.
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Re: SHOOTING IN THE CITY?/ LAWS / WHAT GUN IS BEST FOR ME?

Msg. 108234  Posted by CK on May 01, 1999 at 03:34:50:

In Reply to: SHOOTING IN THE CITY?/ LAWS / WHAT GUN IS BEST FOR ME? posted by Steven Flannery on April 30, 1999 at 17:34:13:

Steven,
You could go to NRA (National Rifle Assoc.) Web Site, and direct yourself to Fed. Firearms Laws.
Most states I believe (???) have adopted the Fed Laws. From there it is easy to find your State Gun Laws. Beware, County and Local ordances are not listed there.

Description of a Firearm. Your arm throwing a rock (mine too) can be classified as a Firearm.
"It caused a projectile to be launched."
Yes, your BB Airgun is classified as a Firearm.

You will find that "ALL" cities have a 'NO SHOOTING ZONE'. I am not sure, I think it to be a bit beyond city boundries.
OK, you are a criminal for Discharging a Firearm in a No Shooting Zone. And/or 18 other Laws which may be applied covering Local, State & Federal Laws against guns. E.g. Walk down the street with one, you can be charged with Brandishing a Firearm. Having it in a vehicle and the pellets in the same compartment, whole set of special vehicle Federal code laws against that.
Bicycles are classified under vehicle code laws.
Horses --- anything.
Not to discourage you, one must be knowledgable of what potential hazzards one takes if one wants a Firearm.
CAREFUL: Such a violation (even as a juvinile) could be classified as a violent act and you will be banned for life from owning/possessing a Firearm. Federal Laws control that.

Having a hunnert-bucks and wanting a 900 fps projectile. Good luck shopping.

Last: I do not advocate anyone breaking any law.
While being a criminal in the backyard which I figure you will continue to be.
Try Ballistic Putty.
Such a target would be called 'Silent Target'.
Beeman Aitgun sells one that I know of.
Hence, no noise from a BB/Pellet smacking into a hard stationary surface.
If no noise, neighbors won't dash for their latest copy of FEDERAL ANTI-GUN LAWS.

BTW, If you are really serious about the sport and feel it will stay with you for years --- SAVE your hunnert bucks. Add to it until you can have enough for a real airgun. Then you will find you need a $$$$$ Scope and hundred dollar Scope Mount.
Be able to shoot the wings off a fly at 40-yds and dismenber the fly 1-leg at a time type of Airgun Shooting.
Good Luck,
ck
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Crosman 2289 Power

Msg. 108233  Posted by George on May 01, 1999 at 03:33:40:

Can anyone give me the approximate FPS of the 2289 at different number of pumps? Do you need to pump it 10 times to get a descent velocity?
Thanx
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Re: Airgun Addiction: the new 12 step group

Msg. 108232  Posted by Jim C. on May 01, 1999 at 03:28:30:

In Reply to: Airgun Addiction: the new 12 step group posted by H. Todd on April 30, 1999 at 22:05:17:

Well Hawley, As far as I'm concerned, you have allready
made a few of the 12 steps. At least you can find the
strength to trade or sell in order to get new.
I find a way to justify keeping all of them.
Happy shooting.Jim C.
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Re: What gun brings back the memories for you?

Msg. 108231  Posted by jcbii on May 01, 1999 at 02:18:20:

In Reply to: What gun brings back the memories for you? posted by jrk on April 30, 1999 at 15:40:54:

Daisy Cub my grandfather gave to me and my brothers back around 1969-70 (with real wood stock mind you!). I remember laying on my back in the grass on my father's farm and looking towards the telephone wires in the sky - all lined with English Sparrows. I would cock and fire, watching BBs go to the left, to the right, above, and below the intended target until the law of averages finally dictated otherwise. Most memoral moment was when my older brother and I raided the chicken coup at night and shot several english sparrows while they were sleeping. It became known to us as the St. Valentines' Day massacre. Why I don't know, it wasn't St Valentines, and it wasn't during the day - oh well, what do you expect from kids. Anyway, mom made us feel so bad that we swore we would never shoot anything again. About a week later, I was laying on my back in the grass....
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QUESTION QUESTION

Msg. 108230  Posted by David on May 01, 1999 at 02:11:22:

Well I went to the Beeman website and didn't see too much up there, but a discription of a beeman R1 and it sounded pretty good, but I've been hearing a lot of news about Beeman R9. I haven't read a discription on the R9 so can anyone tell me a little bit about the R9? And which one do you think is better.

The Beeman link is www.beeman.com
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Re: Best deal/place for Beeman R9?

Msg. 108229  Posted by jcbii on May 01, 1999 at 02:05:09:

In Reply to: Best deal/place for Beeman R9? posted by Ted on May 01, 1999 at 01:48:38:

Ted,

I sort have been looking at the R-9 myself. Some prices I found are:

Raso Rod & Rifle - $269
FSI - $269
D&R - $252

Really, though, you should take a look at the "Airgun Resouces" link on the airgunletter main web page. This contains links to lots of different airgun dealers (many of which have web pages you can browse for prices).

As for various dealer's customer service, there are lots of guys on this forum who I am sure can provide you with information.
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Best deal/place for Beeman R9?

Msg. 108228  Posted by Ted on May 01, 1999 at 01:48:38:

I'd like to buy a Beeman R9. What is the place with the best deal?
What kind of scope should I get with it?
What mounds are good for this gun?
All help is sincerely appreciated.
Ted
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Re: SM 1000

Msg. 108227  Posted by JB on May 01, 1999 at 01:44:43:

In Reply to: Re: SM 1000 posted by RBest on May 01, 1999 at 01:19:56:

OK. Thanks. Anybody out there have both the SS and SM that could comment on quality, accuracy, appearance and ease of use of these two?

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Re: .22 cal firearm vs PCP: accuracy amp; SUB22HP noise level comparisons ?

Msg. 108226  Posted by Andrew Leung on May 01, 1999 at 01:22:03:

In Reply to: .22 cal firearm vs PCP: accuracy amp; SUB22HP noise level comparisons ? posted by vZc on April 30, 1999 at 21:58:15:

I have shot the Remington Subsonic ammo out of my bull barreled Marlin and did make consistent 1/2" groups at 50 yards...they are accurate ammo and does a great job in taking care of small game.
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Re: SM 1000

Msg. 108225  Posted by RBest on May 01, 1999 at 01:19:56:

In Reply to: Re: SM 1000 posted by JB on May 01, 1999 at 00:21:23:

JB: one is English, one is Spanish and one is Chinese. They are all decent, but I think quality wise, its between the SS and the SM. You decide what kind of gun you want. Regards, Russ
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Re: Scope Mount and Scope Stop

Msg. 108224  Posted by RBest on May 01, 1999 at 01:15:03:

In Reply to: Re: Scope Mount and Scope Stop posted by Eric Field on May 01, 1999 at 00:07:30:

Eric: some other adjustable mounts are made by Hakko and BSquare. Any of the mounts will work on the RX-1. It really isn't that bad. You probably won't even need a scope stop. If you plan on going to a 50mm scope at some point, you'll need high mounts for sure. You'll likely even need them for a 44mm scope. Regards, Russ
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AIRGUNNERS IN SAN DIEGO?????????

Msg. 108223  Posted by Tim S on May 01, 1999 at 01:05:29:

I am looking for a few people that like shooting
and are in the san diego aera. I like to shoot airguns
and it's hard to find anyone to shoot with. I was thinking
of get a shooting group togther for some field target or some
good old hunting or maybe some plinking
Thanks
Tim
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Re: SHOOTING IN THE CITY?/ LAWS / WHAT GUN IS BEST FOR ME?

Msg. 108222  Posted by E Fudd on May 01, 1999 at 01:01:10:

In Reply to: SHOOTING IN THE CITY?/ LAWS / WHAT GUN IS BEST FOR ME? posted by Steven Flannery on April 30, 1999 at 17:34:13:

Walmart has Benjamins 392's for $98. Good gun, plus you can have Mac-1 upgrade it for you later when you have more money. This gun has one big advantage if you are worried about the law; it is obviously an airgun and anyone with a rudimentary knowledge of firearms can tell this from 100 yards away. I would recommend .22 caliber even though it is slower than you'd like. If you get it upgraded you'll be glad you went for the larger caliber.
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PELLET MOUD

Msg. 108221  Posted by CANN on May 01, 1999 at 00:45:20:

iS THERE ANY ONE IN THE USA THAT SELLS 22 CAL. MOUDS.

Thank You CANN

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Re: SM 1000

Msg. 108220  Posted by JB on May 01, 1999 at 00:21:23:

In Reply to: Re: SM 1000 posted by LOU V.K. on April 30, 1999 at 12:06:57:

I'm trying to decide between the Supersport, the Gamo 880S, and the SM1000. How does the 1000 compare as to quality, accuracy and looks to the other two?
I will be using it to keep the starlings away, shooting at a distance of 40 to 45 yards.
This is my first airgun. Tough to decide on just one!

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Cometa 300 airgun

Msg. 108219  Posted by J. Alvaro Ferreira on May 01, 1999 at 00:18:05:

Hy, I�m new in the craft & I�ve just got myself a .22 airgun that shoots a decent 720fps & makes decent groups w. an open sight at 10m and amazing ones w. a 4 x 20 scope at 50m.
The question is: can anyone tell me anything about this gun?
I�l be very gratefull.
Thanks
Alvaro
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Re: About HW-77s

Msg. 108218  Posted by DonC on May 01, 1999 at 00:09:17:

In Reply to: Re: About HW-77s posted by Mark Lemm on April 30, 1999 at 18:20:23:

I have such a crappy memory. I can't remember what the cost was. It is very reasonable however considering the quality of Jim's work. By the way, on my jeweled TX, I jeweled the scopes sunshade and large elevation knob myself. It was fun. I didn't really know how to do it but got advice from guys on the forums and it went smoothly. The TX looks really sharp with the jeweled accents.
Yo,
Don
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Re: Scope Mount and Scope Stop

Msg. 108217  Posted by Eric Field on May 01, 1999 at 00:07:30:

In Reply to: Scope Mount and Scope Stop posted by Eric Field on May 01, 1999 at 00:03:33:

Sorry, a few more questions to add to the above -

1 - Is there a difference between 1 piece and 2 piece mounts?

2 - I heard the RWS mount was adjustable for the barrel droop - are any of the Beeman's?
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Scope Mount and Scope Stop

Msg. 108216  Posted by Eric Field on May 01, 1999 at 00:03:33:

OK, the decision has been made and I am purchasing two air rifles to start my foray into this crazy world of yours ! I am getting a Gamo 440 with custom stock for general plinking and practice (as well as having a rifle for the wife to play with) and I am getting a .22 RX-1 Beeman. Now, I need some more help.

What sort of Scope Mount should I get for each gun? I may eventually want to mount up to a 50mm objective lens on the RX-1, so would I need any special mount for that? Do I need a scope stop for both guns, and if so what brand/model? The gentleman selling me the rifles said he liked the RWS C-mount because it was easily adjustable for the barrel droop on the RX-1. IF I got that one, would I still need a scope stop, could I use it for the GAMO as well, and could I put a larger objective scope on it? Does the RX-1, because of its power and Gas Piston operating system, require a special mount and stop?

Thanks for the help and advice.

P.S. Any advice on a good overall cleaning and maintenance kit for both rifles?

Eric

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Re: Airgun Addiction: the new 12 step group

Msg. 108215  Posted by Doug Law on April 30, 1999 at 23:52:14:

In Reply to: Airgun Addiction: the new 12 step group posted by H. Todd on April 30, 1999 at 22:05:17:

Hawley-I, too have that dreaded Airgun Addiction despite moving from Warden, Wash, where you knew me and my friend Mike Peck. I moved to portland area and now am in northern Nevada, Winnemucca. Nice newspaper jhob here and good place to shoot in desert. Let me know if you find a cure for this dreaded disease-I have it big time. I just got 8 issues of a out of business New Zealand airgun mag and it is super, just love it.


Your friend out west


Doug Law

Nevada Air Gun Addict
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Can't hardly wait!!!

Msg. 108214  Posted by Jake Morris on April 30, 1999 at 23:32:12:

Ordered a BSA Supersport in .22 cal yesterday morning. Can't wait!!! Want in now!!! I'm gonna' mount the Sportview Air 3-9X 32mm scope from my RWS 34 on it, didn't get the B-square mount though, I'll deal with 2mm off center until I can save enough for the B-square (I'm 16 and don't have a real job). People have been putting off center mounts on Winchester 94s for years and they work, so I can live with one on a Supersport for a month or so. The ground squirrels are going to pay for tormenting me durring deer season, my 34 was out of working order and they were everywhere. I will get my revenge however, he he he!!! Anyone got any hunting stories to entertain me until I can go exterminate some annoying hole digging rodents for myself.
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Re: Two last questions before my first 10m pistol match.

Msg. 108213  Posted by LOU V.K. on April 30, 1999 at 23:23:41:

In Reply to: Two last questions before my first 10m pistol match. posted by Scott Carter on April 30, 1999 at 23:05:05:


First,CALM DOWN !!!!!!!!!!!!!
Second,you will be allowed to toe up to the line,but,not step on the line.
Thirdly,your bandage is just that.It cannot be disallowed.
Now,are you finally calm? Here are some little helps.
Eat a light breakfast,with no caffein,and as little of any foods that have 'ose',or 'ase' in their proper names,as these suffixes mean SUGAR,and,that means the shakes,if your blood sugar level is normal. Restrict your nicotine intake,if you'r so addicted. Sip water slowly,but,steadily,during the match.On that subject,be sure to make a 'head call',immediately prior to going to the line. No cushion sole shoes,( too unstable ),dress to be comfortable,but,not too warm or cold.
Now,are you ready to have some fun? Good,cause some old sucker is going to shoot a better score than you will,but,he was a novice at one time,and,your day is coming,after lots of practice,and good coaching.
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Re: canadian energy levels/velocities

Msg. 108212  Posted by The Story 0f M on April 30, 1999 at 23:13:42:

In Reply to: Re: canadian energy levels/velocities posted by Dave K. on April 30, 1999 at 22:16:19:

How about a career 9mm with the valves adjusted down
to propel a 36 caliber 80 grain ball at 490fps?
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Two last questions before my first 10m pistol match.

Msg. 108211  Posted by Scott Carter on April 30, 1999 at 23:05:05:

Hello all-

Let me start by again thanking all of the folks who responded to my post a few weeks ago regarding preparation for my first 10m match, which is Sunday. All of your great advice has guided me, and I am very excited to compete. I hope to meet some of you there so I can thank you in person. My last two questions are perhaps trivial but are bugging me n.nullheless:

Are your feet set behind the 10m line or is it the end of the gun? I have a long arm and the difference is over two feet. It may not make a difference in my score but I feel I should know before I get there.

I use a Gamo Compact (for now, my IZH-46 is soon to arrive) and my thumb knuckle jams into the bottom of the receiver. Am I allowed to wear a bandage on my shooting hand as a cushion?

Thank you in advance, and best regards.

Scott
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Re: Barrel cockers vs side cockers

Msg. 108210  Posted by Jim P on April 30, 1999 at 23:03:09:

In Reply to: Barrel cockers vs side cockers posted by Rusty on April 30, 1999 at 20:50:05:

Rusty,

What I hope I said, is I have a personal prejudice against barrel cockers that is why I don't own any, and so can't comment on rifles such as the Super Sport.

It is just me - there are a lot of people out there (though not many (if any) that shoot competitively) that believe that barrel cockers can be just as accurate as a fixed barrel rifle. And I am sure that any of these rifles are more accurate than I am. That said, as an old engineer I think that the side and under levers are just a "better" machine though not as elegantly simple.

As I said it is just a personal prejudice.

HTH

Jim P

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Re: proton X in U.S.

Msg. 108209  Posted by carlos on April 30, 1999 at 22:55:00:

In Reply to: proton X in U.S. posted by Tom Wheeler on April 30, 1999 at 22:07:10:

Tom, contact Mac-1 in Cal. for either a bulk conversion for CO2 to reduce the cost of shooting with gas. He does convert the TAU rifles from gas to air, so he may be able to help you. The A-Team also recently converted a SSP-250 to run on air. They also may be able to help you.
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Re: 5 yard near focus scope

Msg. 108208  Posted by RBest on April 30, 1999 at 22:46:54:

In Reply to: Re: 5 yard near focus scope posted by LOU V.K. on April 30, 1999 at 22:43:53:

Lou: in that case- just reach out and poke the targets trip with the muzzle-- he he.. Or maybe they'll allow us to take that target with a Tempest sidearm. Only kiddin' . Russ
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Re: Do moderators affect velocity and accuracy?

Msg. 108207  Posted by jj on April 30, 1999 at 22:44:48:

In Reply to: Re: Do moderators affect velocity and accuracy? posted by LOU V.K. on April 30, 1999 at 08:17:28:

......whereas,a rifle can benefit from a bit of additional weight up front,

Yeah, esp. Daystates, and probably more so...the Harrier. By the way, the Falcon is what my uhhhh...homemade barrel brake is based on. Another reason for the increase in accuracy and velocity. A friend showed me what was inside of his falcon mod, my copy is on a bit of a smaller scale, but similiar. Best I found so far, and I experimented with a lot. Using this model, I suspect that the air is redirected behind the pellet, but I don't know this. I just know it works.
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Re: 5 yard near focus scope

Msg. 108206  Posted by LOU V.K. on April 30, 1999 at 22:43:53:

In Reply to: Re: 5 yard near focus scope posted by RBest on April 30, 1999 at 22:36:54:


An inch? my favorite Hunter F.T.rifle has it's scope mounted almost two inches above the bore,to obviate range finding accuracy problems with 9X maximum scopes. It would likely need at least three inches of extra elevation,and still be so fuzzy that my ancient eyes couldn't find the kill zone.
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Re: RWS-48 IN .20 OR.22 WHICH IS BETTER FOR HUNTING

Msg. 108205  Posted by Bill L on April 30, 1999 at 22:42:58:

In Reply to: RWS-48 IN .20 OR.22 WHICH IS BETTER FOR HUNTING posted by Bob G. on April 29, 1999 at 20:48:34:

Regardless of which has the higher muzzle velocity, the .22 has
more surface area for impact. Like a .45 compared to a .38 special,
they say the .45 has much more knock down power.

Most pellets have greater mass in .22 also. I have a RWS-48 and it
would be about ideal for pidgeons. Beeman Silver Bears have a lot of
knock down power.
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Re: Buy a used gun!

Msg. 108204  Posted by carlos on April 30, 1999 at 22:40:51:

In Reply to: Buy a used gun! posted by The Airgun Letter on April 30, 1999 at 20:05:34:

Edith,Bexar County is the San Antonio metropolitan area and Mr.Flannery might have several different local ordinances to deal with concerning airguns. If I remember correctly he may not even be old enough to buy pellets. I believe he has to be either 16 or 18 years old to buy them. Carlos
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Re: 5 yard near focus scope

Msg. 108203  Posted by RBest on April 30, 1999 at 22:36:54:

In Reply to: Re: 5 yard near focus scope posted by LOU V.K. on April 30, 1999 at 22:19:40:

Lou: next thing you know, we'll need see thru mounts because we have to leave the open sights on! 5 Yards? I don't think I shoot anything that close up. How about aiming at least an inch high? heh heh Russ
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Re: proton X in U.S.

Msg. 108202  Posted by Jim Morrow on April 30, 1999 at 22:32:42:

In Reply to: proton X in U.S. posted by Tom Wheeler on April 30, 1999 at 22:07:10:

Tom,

I have purchased and tried the PROTON X, and they do not work, see archive posts.

First they have no instructions, and really don't work with any gun that I know of, as far as opening the schrader valve on it. Most guns will not open the schrader valve properly, either not at all, or too little. I adapted mine to open the schrader valve properly (machined piercing cap). Then once you get schrader valve open, the PROTON X does not have a regulator, or proper regulator. So all the air is expelled extremely rapidly, with the fist shot being powerful, and subsequent shots falling off in fps drastically, 15-20 fps and then logrithmically. The end result 5 shots above 400 fps, the rest if any, below. I only got 5 total shots out of PROTON X most of the time, one time 10, but after 5 no power anyway.
They are completely useless, the American Distributor, Ultimate Force in PA, is also completley useless. Does not anwer phone, does not return calls.
So the bottom line is stay away from this thing. I just got a fax, and then phoned the Manufactureer, and president of the compamy RJ Cammell, in England. He says they work, but he is an irrational person, not living in the real world. When you tell him why it doesn't work, he goes to the next adjusment (exhaust valve), then you tell him you did that, so then he says you have the wrong cartridge. Then you ask him what is different about the right cartridge compared to the wrong one, and he can't answer.
Sorry, but no real world product here.

Jim M.
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Re: R1 Tune

Msg. 108201  Posted by Billy on April 30, 1999 at 22:27:54:

In Reply to: R1 Tune posted by Donovan Taylor on April 30, 1999 at 14:32:15:

Donovan, I'd send the gun to Maccari for a tune, spring and seal. My HW80 which is the same as an R1 shoots 780+ with Premiers and 885+ with FTS after he tuned it. Smooth and accurate. I have 22 and 177 barrels but have settled with the 20.
Billy
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Hey, liked that title, think that sez it all,...text ain't bad either nt

Msg. 108200  Posted by jj on April 30, 1999 at 22:26:33:

In Reply to: Re: in this long thread some opinions made sence some didn't..remember some beleave a flapping wing of a butterfly can cause a Harricain..:spelled that wrong o well posted by M Boyle on April 30, 1999 at 03:40:31:

;^)
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Re: RWS48 .20 and .25 calibers are new rifles per RWS NJ. call Leigh or wait for more postings nt.

Msg. 108199  Posted by Billy on April 30, 1999 at 22:22:56:

In Reply to: RWS48 .20 and .25 calibers are new rifles per RWS NJ. call Leigh or wait for more postings nt. posted by vZc on April 30, 1999 at 19:29:41:

New gun or not, it shot 774 with a 14.3 premier tested live. There is no controversy here.
Billy
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Re: 5 yard near focus scope

Msg. 108198  Posted by LOU V.K. on April 30, 1999 at 22:19:40:

In Reply to: Re: 5 yard near focus scope posted by RBest on April 30, 1999 at 22:13:54:


Paul might have valid reason for wanting such an abortion.My little buddy,Anthony Storey told me over dinner last Saturday evening,that the hunter F.T.courses at Indy will have targets as close as 5 yards.This puts a new twist on things.
I don't know why I feel paternal toward the little Dago demon.
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Re: AIRGUN TARGET RANGE

Msg. 108197  Posted by Greg Fischer on April 30, 1999 at 22:19:01:

In Reply to: AIRGUN TARGET RANGE posted by GENE SCOTT on April 30, 1999 at 21:33:38:

Mac-1 in CA can set you up. Many bulk fill guns/options, quick fill adapters, etc.

http://www.mindspring.com/~airguns/

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Re: canadian energy levels/velocities

Msg. 108196  Posted by Dave K. on April 30, 1999 at 22:16:19:

In Reply to: canadian energy levels/velocities posted by Benoit Landry on April 30, 1999 at 21:02:04:

Benoit,

A big factor in the testing is pellet weight. Being Crosman guns, I would think they would test their own guns with their own ammo. I have only shot one Crosman that was designed to stay under 500 fps, the SSP250. It shot up to 495 fps with Crosman Copperhead pointed pellets, but never cracked that mark. I have not tested a sub 500 pneumatic so I can't comment on their velocity.

Dave K.
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Re: How do bullets fly? the URL attachment

Msg. 108195  Posted by jj on April 30, 1999 at 22:16:02:

In Reply to: How do bullets fly? the URL attachment posted by vZc on April 30, 1999 at 21:02:37:

Wow, that should keep me busy for awhile!!

I take it you already read this???

Reason I ask, is that it seems to be about much higher velocity firearms, I am interested in airguns. If you still think that it would apply, I will read it. I know tht you really don't care whether I read it or not. Just thought that since you already have, you might let me know so I won't be wasting my time. As there seems to be quite a bit of reading there.

Thanks,
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Re: 5 yard near focus scope

Msg. 108194  Posted by RBest on April 30, 1999 at 22:13:54:

In Reply to: 5 yard near focus scope posted by Paul C. on April 30, 1999 at 21:50:35:

Paul: you can't see the target from 15 feet??? Damn! I thought MY eyes were bad. Seriously though, I have a couple scopes that focus down to 7 or 7 1/2 yards( 20 power). Russ
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Re: scope for TX 200

Msg. 108193  Posted by LOU V.K. on April 30, 1999 at 22:13:44:

In Reply to: Re: scope for TX 200 posted by H. Todd on April 30, 1999 at 22:01:53:


Did you trade off my H.C.in .177,in a fiddle back maple stock?
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Re: Airgun Addiction: the new 12 step group

Msg. 108192  Posted by LOU V.K. on April 30, 1999 at 22:11:28:

In Reply to: Airgun Addiction: the new 12 step group posted by H. Todd on April 30, 1999 at 22:05:17:


My testamonial is that I am just as guilty as you,as you are well aware .Currently I have for sale,something that I KNOW you have never owned,nor shot,nor even seen.It has been aclaimed as being the finest PCP field target rifle ever built.It has lived up to that claimby winning the Grand Prix of England not once,nor twicew,but,an unbeleivable three times.Interested?
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proton X in U.S.

Msg. 108191  Posted by Tom Wheeler on April 30, 1999 at 22:07:10:

Where are the Proton X systems available here in the states? Are they available for all co2 guns? I have a Axor pump for my Career 707. Can I use it on these?Do they work as advertised? THANKS!!!!
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Airgun Addiction: the new 12 step group

Msg. 108190  Posted by H. Todd on April 30, 1999 at 22:05:17:

Dear friends, I must admit I am a compulsive airgun collector/trader. If it exists I have to have tried it and then unless it is something that "walks on water" I will trade it for the next one. Yes I believe we need to start a new AA 12 step group. Anyone want to share your testimonial?
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.22 rimfire rifles are cheaper, ( with SUB22HP ammo quieter ?) and probably more reliable nt.

Msg. 108189  Posted by vZc on April 30, 1999 at 22:02:49:

In Reply to: .22 what is the best for the price/performance posted by Jake on April 29, 1999 at 02:48:28:

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Re: scope for TX 200

Msg. 108188  Posted by H. Todd on April 30, 1999 at 22:01:53:

In Reply to: scope for TX 200 posted by Greg Jorstad on April 30, 1999 at 16:06:51:

I just traded one of my TX's for a nice 10M pistol and I put that exact scope on it! The Trophy is a good scope on the TX. It will focus at any range you need.

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.22 cal firearm vs PCP: accuracy amp; SUB22HP noise level comparisons ?

Msg. 108187  Posted by vZc on April 30, 1999 at 21:58:15:

Bolt action or Speedmaster or pump appears to be very competitve performance rifle without compressed air source concerns.

SUB22HP ammo ?

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Re: Ding!-Ding! Round Two - Airgun Ballistic Coefficients ;-)

Msg. 108186  Posted by Jim Baumann on April 30, 1999 at 21:50:43:

In Reply to: Re: Ding!-Ding! Round Two - Airgun Ballistic Coefficients ;-) posted by peteR on April 30, 1999 at 19:47:45:

Hi Pete:

"Yes we do owe Bob,the folks at Crosman, and that engineering school they did the wind tunnel tests at more than any of us could possibly repay."

I will have to second that ! and third it, too!

My Brain is totally fried, at this point! Some info on rotation rates and pellet stability later, probably much later,

Jim

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5 yard near focus scope

Msg. 108185  Posted by Paul C. on April 30, 1999 at 21:50:35:

Does anyone know if there is a 9 power or more scope
that can focus down to 5 yards?
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Re: For Russ :

Msg. 108184  Posted by RBest on April 30, 1999 at 21:39:15:

In Reply to: For Russ : posted by Huck on April 30, 1999 at 20:41:07:

Huck: you'll have to ask the Japanese what ABO stands for. The mounts you mentioned were two piece- right? They have less grip than a single base mount. Also- have you tried a recoil stop block? They do work. I am not aware of a Hakko website, even though they are a HUGE scope company, manufacturing scopes for many companies which are then sold under different labels. ABO/Hakko's office in Miami may be able to answer your questions. Their number is 305 539 0305. Regards, Russ
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AIRGUN TARGET RANGE

Msg. 108183  Posted by GENE SCOTT on April 30, 1999 at 21:33:38:

I HAVE A GUN SHOP IN LAKELAND, FL. PEOPLE HAVE COME INTO MY SHOP ASKING ABOUT AN AIRGUN RANGE, I AM CONSIDERING SETTING ONE UP. MY QUESTION IS... IS THERE AN AIRGUN OUT THERE THAT CAN BE SET UP WITH A TUBE OR SOMETHING SO THAT BULK CO2 CAN BE USED?
THANKS FOR ANY INFO THAT YOU MAY RENDER.
GENE
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Re: Barrel cockers vs side cockers

Msg. 108182  Posted by RBest on April 30, 1999 at 21:30:22:

In Reply to: Barrel cockers vs side cockers posted by Rusty on April 30, 1999 at 20:50:05:

Rusty: barrel cockers are just fine, and have been so for a long time, which is why a company like Beeman sells so many of them . There was a problem MANY years ago, after a barrel cocker got old and worn out- it would lose some repeatability. I have airguns (barrelcockers) that date into the early '50's, and none of them have the dreaded 'latch wear' problem. Todays break barrel guns can shoot alongside fixed barrel underlevers and sidelevers.
This seems to get brought up every once in a while by devoted underlever and sidelever fans, and the manufacturers of the above guns; but to me it just doesn't hold much water. It's hype with little to back it up. Regards, Russ
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How do bullets fly? the URL attachment

Msg. 108181  Posted by vZc on April 30, 1999 at 21:02:37:

In Reply to: Re: Hey Jim Bauman In case you missed the post! posted by jj on April 30, 1999 at 19:35:37:

should answer your questions

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canadian energy levels/velocities

Msg. 108180  Posted by Benoit Landry on April 30, 1999 at 21:02:04:

After reading some posts about advertised velocities andactual ones, I began wondering about velocities for canadian-standard guns. It seems that manufacturers exagerate their advertised velocities much more than I thought!! So the question is, has anyone ever done chronograph tests with 495-fps guns( namely crosman models 1322 and 2200)?? I ask this because I've noticed a great difference in pellet deformation and p.nullration between the two guns, and the advertised velocity is 495 fps(MAXIMUM--maybe this is the explanation??)in both cases.

thanks!!


Ben
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Re: Barrel cockers vs side cockers

Msg. 108179  Posted by RickK on April 30, 1999 at 21:01:57:

In Reply to: Barrel cockers vs side cockers posted by Rusty on April 30, 1999 at 20:50:05:

Rusty,
Yes the industry (even the chinese guns) has got a handle on the latch for the break-barrel guns. There are,however, problems if the barrel is released and it snaps shut. First would be the loss of a finger, and second would be dammage to the barrel allignment, or cracks in the stock (cracking from the force). I have three chinese sidelevers, and I have two BSA barrel cockers. No problems with any of them. That is other than the chinese guns are mostly junk compared to the BSA's, but what do I expect for under $20 each. either way the new guns are pretty good.
RickK

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Slings

Msg. 108178  Posted by Mike on April 30, 1999 at 20:54:17:

I am looking for a sling for a Kodiak. Any ideas what will work best?
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Barrel cockers vs side cockers

Msg. 108177  Posted by Rusty on April 30, 1999 at 20:50:05:

Well I saw Jim P had in his post about a problem he has with barrel
cockers. I know in the past that this has been a big problem in accuracy. I also notice that most of the Beeman guns that everyone is so in love with are barrel cockers. Has the industry overcome this problem or is it still a problem?
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Re: R1 Tune

Msg. 108176  Posted by Mark Lemm on April 30, 1999 at 20:42:33:

In Reply to: R1 Tune posted by Donovan Taylor on April 30, 1999 at 14:32:15:

You probably just need to put some more rounds through it. Tunes usually make a rifle shoot smoother with less vibration but don't always result in a lower cocking effort. The best tune for an R1 in my opinion is to put a gas ram into it from Airgunwerks but that will cost about $180 which you probably don't want to spend right now. I would call Dave at Airgunwerks anyway and explain your concerns. A regular (non-ram) tune wouldn't cost much and may yield the results you're after. The R1 is a great rifle and I'm sure you''ll get use to how it shoots and cocks with practice.

-Mark
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For Russ :

Msg. 108175  Posted by Huck on April 30, 1999 at 20:41:07:

In Reply to: Re: D.I.Y. barrel angle adjustment question posted by RBest on April 30, 1999 at 19:46:44:

Thanks for the tip,but I am using the one-piece
Sportsmatch with the cross-pin,so I can't reverse
the mount.I've tried the Beeman 5040 mount but it
won't stay put( no cross-pin)on my Patriot.Many
people here have had no trouble with this mount,
but it sure won't stay put on my gun.As you know,
the Patriot has no scope-rail,so I don't think
any universal mount will work(?).Does ABO have a
website.Can't figure out what ABO means.Thanks.
Huck
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Re: Attn: We share the same "EXACT" philosophy. Jewels vs Guns It works for me! nt

Msg. 108174  Posted by Johnny on April 30, 1999 at 20:37:33:

In Reply to: Re: Attn: Newlywed airgunners posted by Andrew Leung on April 30, 1999 at 01:16:06:

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Re: RWS 34 or Beeman R9?

Msg. 108173  Posted by Mark Lemm on April 30, 1999 at 20:37:03:

In Reply to: RWS 34 or Beeman R9? posted by Ted on April 30, 1999 at 15:56:52:

You can always get some loctite to fix the loose screw problem, but the R9 will remain the better gun. You can't ever go wrong with an R9, great out of box and lots of tunes available when you want one.

-mark
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Re: scope for TX 200 - Many people use the Bushnell Trophy 6x18 (NT)

Msg. 108172  Posted by The Airgun Letter on April 30, 1999 at 20:11:15:

In Reply to: scope for TX 200 posted by Greg Jorstad on April 30, 1999 at 16:06:51:

Edith Gaylord
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Buy a used gun!

Msg. 108171  Posted by The Airgun Letter on April 30, 1999 at 20:05:34:

In Reply to: SHOOTING IN THE CITY?/ LAWS / WHAT GUN IS BEST FOR ME? posted by Steven Flannery on April 30, 1999 at 17:34:13:

The type of gun that you should buy is used. That will allow you to stay within your current $100 budget but perhaps get a higher quality gun. There are many opportunities on the Inte.null for buying used guns. You can check our Web Links page for places that have free online classified ads. Also, look at some of the airgun dealer pages, because they frequently sell off their own used guns or the guns they've taken in trade for new guns. Bryan and Associates has a long list of used guns in this month's issue of "Airgun Ads." I bet you'll find the same list on their Web site - or you can get if from them via e-mail. Bryan and Associates is also listed on our Web Links page.

You might have to look for a quality used gun for a few weeks, but I don't think you'll have a problem locating some good ones to choose from.

You mentioned you're in Bexar County. What state is that in? What's the nearest metropolitan area?

The link below will take you to our home page, where you'll find links to other airgun Web sites and the Airgun Resources Web page - which is filled with great places to check for guns and supplies.

Edith Gaylord
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Re: Shoot it up, shoot it down, make the pellet hit the ground, aim it high , aim it low, Omigod I just don't know..

Msg. 108170  Posted by Alan on April 30, 1999 at 19:58:44:

In Reply to: Shoot it up, shoot it down, make the pellet hit the ground, aim it high , aim it low, Omigod I just don't know.. posted by RBest on April 30, 1999 at 00:21:07:

I vote we kill this thread or at least all agree to never shoot high again!! HA-Alan
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Re: Ding!-Ding! Round Two - Airgun Ballistic Coefficients ;-)

Msg. 108169  Posted by peteR on April 30, 1999 at 19:47:45:

In Reply to: Re: Ding!-Ding! Round Two - Airgun Ballistic Coefficients ;-) posted by Jim Baumann on April 30, 1999 at 19:24:13:

Jim,

I have talked with Bob Holtz many times both when he was with Crosman and a few after he retired.
When I first mentioned B/C values for Premiers way back when He just laughed......

Kinda like when I told him the two independant labs tests for Lead/antimony content that I had done. Neutron Activation Analysis, Mass Spectro, and a couple others too I cain't pronounce or spell.
They had changed the "shot" used to form Premiers a couple times.

Oh-well we owe Bob,the folks at Crosman, and that engineering school they did the wind tunnel tests at more than any of us could possibly repay.

And yes you could say Interior Ballistics could have a remarkable effect on exterior ballistics.

Chao!

Pete Reiff
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Re: D.I.Y. barrel angle adjustment question

Msg. 108168  Posted by RBest on April 30, 1999 at 19:46:44:

In Reply to: D.I.Y. barrel angle adjustment question posted by Huck on April 30, 1999 at 17:25:18:

Huck: rather than bending the barrel, I'd get a machined Drooper Mount from Mac-1. BTW, Have you tried reversing your rings? Swap front to rear. Sometimes one will be just a hair taller than the other, and it can mess you up. Also, the Hakko Airgun Pro mount is a fine unit( I have one on my PE) and is fully adjustable. Cost about $50 from ABO(USA) in Miami. Russ
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Re: Hey Jim Bauman In case you missed the post!

Msg. 108167  Posted by jj on April 30, 1999 at 19:35:37:

In Reply to: Re: Hey Jim Bauman In case you missed the post! posted by E Fudd on April 30, 1999 at 13:34:08:

I see, but the only thing I know about finding BC or making a pellets comparision according to the BC of each pellet is by measuring velocity, at various points.

If velocity is affected, my results for measurement is also affected. If there is another way of measuring or finding BC, let me know. I am aware by reading other posts that this method is not EXACTLY right, sometimes we must measure with what we have available.

An earilier post by someone on this forum stated that "BC was everything". I gather then, that although weather, dirty barrels ect. as no affect on BC, it does have an affect on how we measure BC?? Or at least, how I THOUGHT I was measuring BC.

Would you agree that through a high power scope (40 mag.), that you can see a pellets flight at long distance???
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St. Louis Airgunners Meet: June 5th show details now online

Msg. 108166  Posted by The Airgun Letter on April 30, 1999 at 19:31:05:

If you're interested in attending the 4th Annual St. Louis Airgunners Meet on June 5, then check out the online info. Show organizer Roger Yost can also mail a flier to you. The link below will take you to the listing for all the airgun shows this year, and you'll see a link to the St. Louis show's details.

Edith Gaylord
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RWS48 .20 and .25 calibers are new rifles per RWS NJ. call Leigh or wait for more postings nt.

Msg. 108165  Posted by vZc on April 30, 1999 at 19:29:41:

In Reply to: Re: RWS48 .20 = '' 875 W14.3 Grain pellet '' on WEB page description. posted by Billy on April 30, 1999 at 19:07:53:

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Re: Ding!-Ding! Round Two - Airgun Ballistic Coefficients ;-)

Msg. 108164  Posted by Jim Baumann on April 30, 1999 at 19:24:13:

In Reply to: Re: Ding!-Ding! Round Two - Airgun Ballistic Coefficients ;-) posted by Jim Baumann on April 30, 1999 at 18:42:41:

PS

I forgot to mention that in my short conversation with Bob Holtz, that he told me that in all of the model tests that they did; the tail of the pellet never caused any added drag; but, all of the drag was caused by the head of the Premiers.
I have no doubt that he is correct; but, then we get back to the instability thing; it seems that the tail only creates drag as the pellet wiggles, or virbrates or what ever you want to call.

I only mention this because, I have not recorded any data that actually shows that a slightly enlarged pellet skirt will cause a lower ballistic coefficient; but, I am sure that it is only a matter of degree; as I know that some pre-charged rifles can blow some pellets into not much more than dust. This deforming of the pellet maybe why some of the BC values come out slightly lower at higher velocities, when it should be the other way around.

Jim
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Re: RWS48 .20 = '' 875 W14.3 Grain pellet '' on WEB page description.

Msg. 108163  Posted by Billy on April 30, 1999 at 19:07:53:

In Reply to: Re: RWS48 .20 = '' 875 W14.3 Grain pellet '' on WEB page description. posted by vZc on April 30, 1999 at 17:54:35:

The gun was tested as we spoke. It is not reasonable to assume that a 18-20 ft lb 177, 20-22 ft lb gun in 22 would produce 24+ in 20. The 774 fps 14.3 is about 20 ft lbs. It should produce a little more power with a lighter pellet like a FTS which actually weighs 11.6, not 11.2 as is posted some places. My HW80 dieseled a 950, but It doesn't shoot there.
Billy
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Re: RWS 34 or Beeman R9?[R9R9R9R9R9R9R9R9R9R9!!!!!!!(NT)

Msg. 108162  Posted by Alan on April 30, 1999 at 19:07:48:

In Reply to: RWS 34 or Beeman R9? posted by Ted on April 30, 1999 at 15:56:52:

nt
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Re: Ding!-Ding! Round Two - Airgun Ballistic Coefficients ;-)

Msg. 108161  Posted by Jim Baumann on April 30, 1999 at 18:42:41:

In Reply to: Re: Ding!-Ding! Round Two - Airgun Ballistic Coefficients ;-) posted by peteR on April 30, 1999 at 14:49:55:


Hi Pete:

I get what you are saying; but, I will have to addmit to being some what ingnorant when it comes to interior, or internal ballistics. I do and have always been aware that piston guns, and pre-charged guns, and pre-charged guns all build the air pressure differantly than one another; and I have no doubt that differant makes and models of piston guns also build the the air pressure at a differant rate; but, I am no airgun smith, and that stuff is out of my area of understanding. I do understand how it can and does affect the harmonics of the gun, and how it could deform a pellet. That I know I about it, and nothing more.

Later,

Jim
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Re: BSA supersport Scope whoa's..... RBest or anyone help!

Msg. 108160  Posted by RBest on April 30, 1999 at 18:41:40:

In Reply to: Re: BSA supersport Scope whoa's..... RBest or anyone help! posted by Jim C. on April 30, 1999 at 15:08:07:

And if the 4x12 isn't in stock, try the Sportview 3x9x32. It'll work fine on the Supersport. Regards, Russ
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Re: Daystate Sportsman

Msg. 108159  Posted by LOU V.K. on April 30, 1999 at 18:40:11:

In Reply to: Re: Daystate Sportsman posted by Jim D on April 30, 1999 at 18:35:53:


I just KNEW that I could coax you out of the woodwork.
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Re: Daystate Sportsman

Msg. 108158  Posted by Jim D on April 30, 1999 at 18:35:53:

In Reply to: Re: Daystate posted by LOU V.K. on April 30, 1999 at 14:55:16:

Lou, if your judging a guns merit by how long you have owned it, I am probably not the right person to speak up. However, I will admit to having bought and sold a couple airguns in the limited time I have been involved and I, like many others have my opinion.

I like the Daystate Sportsman allot, I now own two, one beech, one walnut! I think it's very under rated in perfomance and quality. I like the fact that it has a built in power plant that can be varied for different applications. Does it cock hard, does Lou know anything about airguns?

You betch ya!

Regarding other comments, owners don't usually lose control of their products quality, they usually lose control of their finances, then let their quality control reflect their state of affairs.

To blame others for our mistakes is to be, well. . . Clintonized!


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Re: Scope/mount Recommendation for PE

Msg. 108157  Posted by B Wong on April 30, 1999 at 18:30:49:

In Reply to: Scope/mount Recommendation for PE posted by Jay on April 30, 1999 at 16:33:40:

Hi Jay,

I bought a Beeman 5040 1 piece mount, should be good up to 40mm objective, price $45. If you want a higher mount the Beeman 5030H should do. As for a scope, I'm trying a Simmons Pro Air 4-12X 40mm AO, price $159. These a prices in Hawaii.

Aloha,
Brian
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Re: SHOOTING IN THE CITY?/ LAWS / WHAT GUN IS BEST FOR ME?

Msg. 108156  Posted by RBest on April 30, 1999 at 18:30:36:

In Reply to: SHOOTING IN THE CITY?/ LAWS / WHAT GUN IS BEST FOR ME? posted by Steven Flannery on April 30, 1999 at 17:34:13:

Steven: you need to contact the county's prosecuting attorney and ask about airguns. Towns differ greatly with their laws, and the Prosecuting Attorney will be more familiar with them than anyone at police headquarters. It's best to do this BEFORE buying. BTW, your requirements for a gun for under $100 really limits you. You should try to get the SM1000 from IAR or popularlink.com for around $130. It's the best deal out there for what you need and will still make over 900 fps and have decent quality. Many of the Chinese Tech Force guns are cheaper than $100, but most don't deliver the advertised performance either. Regards, Russ
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Re: About HW-77s

Msg. 108155  Posted by Mark Lemm on April 30, 1999 at 18:20:23:

In Reply to: Re: About HW-77s posted by DonC on April 30, 1999 at 16:36:11:

Do you mind me asking what the cost of this was? The "jeweling" of the
loading port is definitely something I would be interested in. Sounds like
I'm going to be happy with the 77. Thanks for the info.
-Mark
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Re: RWS 34 or Beeman R9?

Msg. 108154  Posted by LOU V.K. on April 30, 1999 at 18:11:05:

In Reply to: RWS 34 or Beeman R9? posted by Ted on April 30, 1999 at 15:56:52:


If the vendor from whom you bought the 34 will stand still for taking it back in trade on an R 9,DO IT.You are already unhappy with some things about the current gun.Perhaps the R 9 will be more to your liking.I know that it would suit me MUCH better,for all of the reasons that you have questions about.
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Bought mine in '85 NT

Msg. 108153  Posted by MikeD on April 30, 1999 at 18:07:25:

In Reply to: P1:When were they first made? NT posted by Ross on April 30, 1999 at 15:27:36:



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Re: RWS48 .20 = '' 875 W14.3 Grain pellet '' on WEB page description.

Msg. 108152  Posted by vZc on April 30, 1999 at 17:54:35:

In Reply to: RWS48 .20 Att vZc posted by Billy on April 30, 1999 at 13:37:19:

If you 're correct, then the WEB page should be changed.

Lee Wilcox previously verified the existing numbers (weight & velocity) weeks ago.
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SHOOTING IN THE CITY?/ LAWS / WHAT GUN IS BEST FOR ME?

Msg. 108151  Posted by Steven Flannery on April 30, 1999 at 17:34:13:

My question to you is that I am interested in buying a air gun that is
affordable and a REALLY good gun for the price. I am looking for a
airgun that shoots 900fps. Also I have only 100$ to spend so it has to
be 100$ or less. I am more interested in the gun quality than its
overall pack to the punch. I am tired of buying cheap Daisy rifles that
fall apart and cant shoot straight if you life depended on it. Oh the
gun also has to be accurate. If you know of a good gun like the one I
described or if you can point me in the right direction I would greatly
appreciate it!!!

Also...
I am a 15 year old kid that lives in Bexar County. I has a
question concerning air rifles "BB guns". I was wondering... Is it
legal to fire a airgun in the city limits.
I currently shoot mine in the in the privacy of my large backyard. I
take my air gun very seriously and shoot at targets and the occasional
grackle bird. It is not loud at all and I use extreme caution when
firing it. I love to target shoot!! I think it is a very good past
time and hobby to participate in. I never shoot outside of my yard and
I shoot at a angle that points to the ground. Thus any stray BBs' find
them selves in the soil.
If you could email me any laws or information about shooting air guns
in the city I would greatly appreciate it. Do you know of any clubs
that are into air guns? I would love to join!!! Thank you for your
time.

Sincerely,

Steven Flannery
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D.I.Y. barrel angle adjustment question

Msg. 108150  Posted by Huck on April 30, 1999 at 17:25:18:

Does anybody have a good technique for adjusting
(bending) the barrel on a Patriot.I have run out
of elevation on my B&L Elite 4000 and shooting 1"
low at 25 yards.I am using a Sportsmatch mount on
this gun.Any help is appreciated.Thanks
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Re: UMAREX

Msg. 108149  Posted by CH. on April 30, 1999 at 17:21:36:

In Reply to: Re: UMAREX posted by Dani on April 29, 1999 at 12:20:38:

UMAREX is in fact owned by Carl WALTHER! The side on the CP88 weapon has the inscription: made in Germany by Carl Walther ,Arnsberg.
The letter "F" means "Freiwaffe",i.e. you can by
without special permission of the police.
It's an excellent and precise weapon, with a weight that corresponds to the "real" CP88!
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AR-6 pcp pistol

Msg. 108148  Posted by Paul C. on April 30, 1999 at 17:20:33:

Does anyone have or know about this pistol? I've heard it's a 5-shot 20-40 ft/lb
pcp, but that it's not made anymore. Thanks to anyone who knows.
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Re: Shooting up and down, how to correct?

Msg. 108147  Posted by DonC on April 30, 1999 at 16:51:10:

In Reply to: Re: Shooting up and down, how to correct? posted by Wade on April 27, 1999 at 21:03:26:

I shot dead on. I've known about the holdover effect and used to carry around a guide for holdover written by Nick Jenkinson. I practice however I never felt it necessary. This is true both on paper and target testing. Maybe longer ranges it has effect but not out to 40 yards.
Don
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Re: JCBII

Msg. 108146  Posted by jcbii on April 30, 1999 at 16:49:09:

In Reply to: JCBII posted by vince on April 30, 1999 at 10:54:09:

I ended up calling and speaking to Don today (didn't make the trip over there). He said to think about the trade over weekend. Will be going there next week. You planning on going again?
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Re: I'm considering the Daystate Silhouette/profile stock for an LR90 and Harrier

Msg. 108144  Posted by DonC on April 30, 1999 at 16:45:29:

In Reply to: Re: I'm considering the Daystate Silhouette/profile stock for an LR90 and Harrier posted by Dave Franey on April 30, 1999 at 10:51:36:

A few guys in our Illinois club have thumbhole stocks called CS800 and CS1000. they come from Custom Stocks in England. They used to advertise in all the Brit mags but now only advertise in the Annual Brit Gun buyers issues. I really like the CS800. It has perfect lines. The CS1000 is the same but with a lower belly in the forarm for field target. the CS800 is easily modified to do the same thing and looks at lot better. An opinion only of course.
Yo,
Don
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Re: What gun brings back the memories for you?

Msg. 108143  Posted by Wallace Berry on April 30, 1999 at 16:41:55:

In Reply to: What gun brings back the memories for you? posted by jrk on April 30, 1999 at 15:40:54:

Gotta be my Crosman M1 carbine. Delivered newspapers when I was 10 years old to get the bucks to buy it. Bought it on my 11th birthday at Sears for around $21. Shot that sucker until the spring and seals wore out. I still have it, it still shoots but needs a rebuild, I even still have the BB magazine for it. Next would have to be my Crosman 1400. Bought it when I was 14. That thing was death on squirrels. Shot it until a neighbor kid pumped it about 10 zillion strokes a blew out the seals. Brothers, nephews, etc. disassembled it at some point. I gathered up all the pieces and Mike Ahuna managed to put it back together. I could have bought a good used one for about half what fixing that one cost. Still, it has a lot of sentimental value and now it shoots like new. Wallace
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Re: About HW-77s

Msg. 108142  Posted by DonC on April 30, 1999 at 16:36:11:

In Reply to: Re: About HW-77s posted by Mark Lemm on April 29, 1999 at 23:05:03:

I have a HW77 tuned 3 weeks ago by Jim Macarri. Jim's tune is very very sweet. It shoots like a different rifle. He also "jeweled" or "engine turned" the loading port. A very nice touch that makes the rifle look classy. He did the same to my TX. Extreme spread is only 12 fps.
Yo,
Don
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Scope/mount Recommendation for PE

Msg. 108141  Posted by Jay on April 30, 1999 at 16:33:40:

For a budget of $$200-$300, what scope and mounts would you recommend for a Pro Elite? I will be using it for pest control, plinking, target practice and some hunting. It will be a .22 caliber PE. Thanks.
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Re: Wife health update from Don

Msg. 108140  Posted by DonC on April 30, 1999 at 16:26:35:

In Reply to: Re: Wife health update from Don posted by RickK on April 30, 1999 at 11:31:16:

Great idea Rick. I just keep getting good advice. Someone should tell me to proof read my posts for spelling. I really do know how to spell Cells, not sells.
Yo,
Don
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Thanks, for the info. n.t.

Msg. 108139  Posted by Huck on April 30, 1999 at 16:12:36:

In Reply to: Tacso?? Oops! Tasco posted by RBest on April 29, 1999 at 23:02:56:

n.t.
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scope for TX 200

Msg. 108138  Posted by Greg Jorstad on April 30, 1999 at 16:06:51:

What are the recomended mounts for the TX 200, will a Bushnel 6x18 present any mounting problems? TIA Greg J.
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Re: What gun brings back the memories for you?

Msg. 108137  Posted by MartinL on April 30, 1999 at 16:04:30:

In Reply to: What gun brings back the memories for you? posted by jrk on April 30, 1999 at 15:40:54:

The ones I lost because I didn't respect them after buying $500 Air Arms guns. Let them go to Good Will without a fight, such guns as Crosman 1960 vintage that just looked cheap and needed seals. Then there was the one I don't really know the make and model, wood stock and forearm and classy looks which I bought at a going-out-of-business sale back in the early '70s for less than half price. It got ripped off in a burgulary last year and I didn't even claim it due to the respect issue. DOHH!

Somebody please help me kick this undeserving butt! ml
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RWS 34 or Beeman R9?

Msg. 108136  Posted by Ted on April 30, 1999 at 15:56:52:

I am new in airguns. I got 2 weeks ago Demo RWS 34
but the screw from the end of the stock keeps coming our and I don't know what to do.
I tried turned it tight, but after like 25 shots comes out again. It seems that it has a
powerful recoil also. I've heard good things about the Beeman R9. Should I return this
one and get an R9 (they are in the same price range).
1.Is the recoil bigger on R9?
2.Is R9 more accurrate(generally speaking)?
3.Which gun is better built/ lasts longer?
4. Other advantages/disadvantages of R9/RWS 34?
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What gun brings back the memories for you?

Msg. 108135  Posted by jrk on April 30, 1999 at 15:40:54:

As I was sitting back pondering what my next airgun purchase would be, I began to reminisce about the first gun I owned and how much enjoyment I got from it. As a Christmas present when I was 12, I received a Daisy Model 1894. I toted that gun around for years. Now it sits in the back of my closet, at least part of it does. I managed to take it apart many years ago and now probably only have 1/2 the parts. I still can't part with it, too many good times!

How about you?
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P1:When were they first made? NT

Msg. 108134  Posted by Ross on April 30, 1999 at 15:27:36:


nt
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Re: BSA supersport Scope whoa's..... RBest or anyone help!

Msg. 108132  Posted by Jim C. on April 30, 1999 at 15:08:07:

In Reply to: BSA supersport Scope whoa's..... RBest or anyone help! posted by Rich on April 30, 1999 at 14:21:24:

Rich, I do believe you are correct in that the 6x18 is too long for the SS. I couldn't mount one
on my SS or my buddies RWS 45 which is even
longer than the SS. Since you have not mounted the scope I * THINK* Natchez will take
it back in exchange. The 4x12 should be OK.
Good luck, Jim C.

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Re: Daystate

Msg. 108131  Posted by LOU V.K. on April 30, 1999 at 14:55:16:

In Reply to: Daystate posted by Marty Jones on April 30, 1999 at 12:44:28:


The two customers to whom I sold Sportsman rifles are very happy with their rifles,thus,I have had very little contact with them. My friend in Indy who alternates between wanting to sell his,and,praising it to the moon,and, not wanting to EVER part with it, seems to be the one to ask about the Sportsman.
Jim Dailey,sound off.
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Re: R1 Tune

Msg. 108130  Posted by The Airgun Letter on April 30, 1999 at 14:52:40:

In Reply to: R1 Tune posted by Donovan Taylor on April 30, 1999 at 14:32:15:

You wrote:
I find this rifle
difficult to cock. I am 6'2" and I weightjust over 200lbs. What will a tune do for this rifle? How
much should I budget for such a job? Is it recommended to tune a new rifle?
=================
The cocking effort, out of the box, was about 54 lbs. for our new .22 cal. R1 when we got it 5 years ago. During the 1,000-shot break-in cycle, though, the cocking effort varied - going down somewhat. I don't know how many shots you have through your gun, but since you've just gotten it a week ago, I suspect you may not already have 1,000 shots through it. Nevertheless, you can still have it tuned and replace the mainspring to reduce the cocking effort. You can get it below 40 lbs. of cocking effort with a good tune that will also get rid of any twang and even reduce some of the recoil. In all, the R1 gun is a good all around gun right out of the box; but like many good guns, it can become a great gun with some tweaking.

You might want to consider breaking in the gun with 1,000 shots and then see how you feel about it. You might find out you like it just fine and that cocking effort isn't that bad anymore.

My husband wrote a book about the R1 (174 pages). It covers the stock gun and several different tunes that can be applied by either a tuner or yourself, if you're so inclined. The link below will take you to our Web page for additional info on that book.

Edith Gaylord
The Airgun Letter
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Re: Ding!-Ding! Round Two - Airgun Ballistic Coefficients ;-)

Msg. 108129  Posted by peteR on April 30, 1999 at 14:52:21:

In Reply to: Re: Ding!-Ding! Round Two - Airgun Ballistic Coefficients ;-) posted by Jim Baumann on April 30, 1999 at 10:06:32:

ABSOLUTELY! If shrinkage does not occur! and more so if it does for obvious ( I hope!) reasons

peteR
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Re: Ding!-Ding! Round Two - Airgun Ballistic Coefficients ;-)

Msg. 108128  Posted by peteR on April 30, 1999 at 14:49:55:

In Reply to: Re: Ding!-Ding! Round Two - Airgun Ballistic Coefficients ;-) posted by Jim Baumann on April 30, 1999 at 12:08:13:

Jim,

That is exactly what alterations in pellet obturation/ shrinkage does on firing!

Center of Pressure and Center of Mass (oops forgot two!) changes real quickly in what I will call "Micro-Ballistics" from now on.

THIS Cain't be calkulated by m'puter!

Each rifle has a different blast wave (?) which accelerates the pellet down the barrel. The violence of this precursor wave seals the skirt against the rifling.
Too much blast and the skirt "balloons" creates more friction, and C/P C/M get even weirder than "normal" giving erratic performance.

The reason I mentioned the Rifleman article is photos of this exist ( first documentation I am aware of) and show representaive examples.

more later when brain is able to retrieve data.

Chao!

peteR

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WHAT IS BSA GUN'S EMAIL [ENGLAND]?[NT]

Msg. 108127  Posted by iqbal on April 30, 1999 at 14:47:45:

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R1 Tune

Msg. 108126  Posted by Donovan Taylor on April 30, 1999 at 14:32:15:

I just received a R1 .20 a week ago. With daily practise I am beginning to get on target most times. I have been practising the military hold that I have read on this forum. I find this rifle difficult to cock. I am 6'2" and I weightjust over 200lbs. What will a tune do for this rifle? How much should I budget for such a job? Is it recommended to tune a new rifle?
Looking forward to you answers. Happy shooting.
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BSA supersport Scope whoa's..... RBest or anyone help!

Msg. 108125  Posted by Rich on April 30, 1999 at 14:21:24:

I have a BSA supersport .177 cal barrel brake rifle. I called Natchez Supply for the purchase of a scope. I ordered and have received a Bushnell Trophy 6x18x40 scope. It is a really nice scope. Natchez did not have the proper mount for the scope and am currently waiting for a B-square mount from B-Square. The scope looks like its going to be too long to mount on the rail and still open the barrel for loading and cocking. Has anyone had similar touble or am I just imagining a problem. Like I said I don't have the mount yet but it looks too long.
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Field Target Patterns?

Msg. 108124  Posted by JimS on April 30, 1999 at 14:20:47:

Does anybody know of a web site where I can download field target patterns? Thanks.
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Smith and wesson 77A

Msg. 108123  Posted by steve on April 30, 1999 at 14:07:20:

How many years where these made.
How much are they going for now a days
Can one still buy parts for it.
Their velocity?
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10M Inte.null Match #24

Msg. 108122  Posted by Mark Lisowski on April 30, 1999 at 14:01:42:

Just to let you shooters know, scores are due by
midnight tonight (4/30) for Match #24. Sorry for
the late posting.

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Re: Which PCP

Msg. 108121  Posted by MR Bulk� on April 30, 1999 at 13:53:21:

In Reply to: Which PCP posted by Mark D. on April 30, 1999 at 10:53:06:

Hi Mark,

The singular reason I sold off both my Super 12s was because I hated all that screwing/unscrewing of the bottles. The Super 10 has a similar air system.

Contending with whether the bottles were sealed, whether the 0-rings were going to get cut or become shredded from the considerable effort required to properly seat or unscrew those bottles, was something I felt should not be necessary in a $1200 gun. Sure, the idea of bringing along extra bottles for more shots was appealing, but in most hunting situations that rarely happened.

With the Career (or most other fixed-reservoir PCPs nowadays) you simply insert a probe, fill the gun with air, remove the probe, and resume shooting.

MR Bulk�


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Re: RWS48 .20 Att vZc

Msg. 108120  Posted by Billy on April 30, 1999 at 13:39:23:

In Reply to: RWS48 .20 Att vZc posted by Billy on April 30, 1999 at 13:37:19:

I omitted the fact that the 7.9 was in .177
Billy
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RWS48 .20 Att vZc

Msg. 108119  Posted by Billy on April 30, 1999 at 13:37:19:

v, as I suspected, a call to AE and an as we spoke test with 14.3 premiers yielded 774 fps in .20 with a RWS48. That is almost exactly what current programs predict based on the 48s performance in 22 and 177. The gun was a "demo" and is available now, one only. By the way, My HW80(R1) With Maccari's spring and accuglide seal shoots 805 in 22 and 780 in 20, both with 14.3s, and 1030+ with 7.9s. It would be interesting to see what the 48 in .20 does with a Maccari tune!
Billy
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Re: Hey Jim Bauman In case you missed the post!

Msg. 108118  Posted by E Fudd on April 30, 1999 at 13:34:08:

In Reply to: Re: Hey Jim Bauman In case you missed the post! posted by jj on April 30, 1999 at 00:08:07:

The ballistic coefficient is a number which when fed through the right equation will determine the projectiles loss of velocity. Pellet shape, sectional density and mass will affect the ballistic coefficient. If rifling, or abuse were to deform the pellet it's BC could change. Wind, temperature etc..., would figure into your velocity calculations, but they are unrelated to the BC.
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Re: What to look for in the pawn shop

Msg. 108117  Posted by MikeD on April 30, 1999 at 13:14:26:

In Reply to: Re: What to look for in the pawn shop posted by Ken Hildebrand on April 29, 1999 at 22:16:36:

Can't add too much to Ken's excellent comments, except that if the lady is not a hunter she may appreciate a lighter, easier-to-cock, more pleasant to shoot rifle. The Beeman R7 (Weihrauch HW 30)is the leader here--small, gorgeous, great trigger and high overall quality.

Other contenders might be the Beeman R8 (HW 50); HW 55 target rifle; Anschutz 335 (Crosman Challenger 6500); or some of the smaller Diana sporters like the current RWS 24, 26, 28 or their older models 25, 27, and 35.
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Re: Pro Elite Pellet Lube??

Msg. 108116  Posted by BobF on April 30, 1999 at 13:07:52:

In Reply to: Pro Elite Pellet Lube?? posted by BobF on April 30, 1999 at 10:16:48:

Thank you Rick and Lou

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Re: Aperture sight HELP

Msg. 108115  Posted by mr. fish on April 30, 1999 at 13:04:39:

In Reply to: Aperture sight HELP posted by Eric on April 29, 1999 at 22:39:17:

I had the same trouble with a pistol. What i ended up doing is fashioning an extension for the front sight blade, mounted it with epoxy, then blackened the whole thing with a match. It sounds kind of crude, but since my front sight blade is under a hood, nobody can even tell. I don't know if this is possible on your gun, but it worked for me.

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Re: Do moderators affect velocity and accuracy?

Msg. 108113  Posted by Charles on April 30, 1999 at 12:54:01:

In Reply to: Re: Do moderators affect velocity and accuracy? posted by DonC on April 30, 1999 at 10:26:53:

Nygord sells the Turbo Comp compensator - it
works well but it is not a moderator however.

Charles
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Re: SM 1000

Msg. 108112  Posted by Jim P on April 30, 1999 at 12:50:09:

In Reply to: SM 1000 posted by Darrell Scoggins on April 30, 1999 at 09:42:38:

Darrell,

The SM-1000 is about as advertised. If my two are any examples (purchased last year) It will look just like the picture and it will shoot a real pellet (Crosman Premier 7.9 grain) at just under 1000 feet/sec. And it is accurate.

That said it was made in China where Quality Control has not reached German Standards yet. There may be some problems with it right out of the box = loose scope rail, slight blemish in stock, canted sights, a tight breech, or maybe something else. Some of course have no problems at all (I have one of each.)

As I understand it, today you can buy a SM-1000 from IAR and they will ship it to Tim at MAC-1 and he will fix whatever is wrong with it for an additional $20. I think that this is the way to go to avoid possible disappointment. (Unless you are always lucky.)

It is fairly light for a Magnum Springer (same can be said for BSA SuperSport = your other choice in this price range) So it will recoil back and forth pretty good. To shoot it accurately read all the other posts on how to hold your air rifle this is the only way to see the accuracy of the rifle as most do lousy when "benchrested."

It has been my experience that the trigger on the SM 1000 can be adjusted to be much better than the trigger on the RWS-48 series of rifles (I am waiting on the kit to see if these can be improved.) And that the quality of the internal parts (machined steel vs folded steel and plastic) are also an improvement on the RWS. (Just one mans opinion.)

I don't have a Super Sport for comparison as I am prejudice against "Barrel Cockers." If you want a side cocking magnum air rifle in this price range (about $170) This is about your only good choice.

(BTW after you find that you like the SM 1000 your next step is a TX-200 or HW-97 at $4-500 So $170 is not considered "big bucks" in the airgun world. Try it you will probably like it.)

If you intend to shoot indoors on a limited range you really might be interested in something of less power. Just a thought.

HTH

Jim P
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Daystate

Msg. 108111  Posted by Marty Jones on April 30, 1999 at 12:44:28:

In Reply to: Re: Which PCP posted by LOU V.K. on April 30, 1999 at 11:45:20:

As a former seller of Daystate, I presume you
have observed their product evolutions over the
years. Can you comment on the Sportsman model?
I have become interested in owning one, but have
been put off somewhat by the occasional postings
about poor out-of-the box quality control
(supposedly over the past year or two).

best regards,

Marty Jones
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EYETOLJASOOOOOOOOOOOOO !!!!!!

Msg. 108110  Posted by LOU V.K. on April 30, 1999 at 12:35:28:

In Reply to: Re: Pro Elite Pellet Lube?? posted by Rick McAllister on April 30, 1999 at 12:31:52:


I am evil.I couldn't resist that.
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Re: Pro Elite Pellet Lube??

Msg. 108109  Posted by Rick McAllister on April 30, 1999 at 12:31:52:

In Reply to: Pro Elite Pellet Lube?? posted by BobF on April 30, 1999 at 10:16:48:

For the past couple months I have been following the same Pledge waxing method described by Lou V.K. with good results. Perhaps this goes without saying, but I only apply wax to very, very clean pellets (.177 CPH's) that have been dried in the oven, and that are still slightly warm. This has helped reduce and complete the drying process without concern for barrel rusting. Wax seems to cover better also when the pellets are warm. Before I started using wax, I had to really clean the CP's to maintain groupings that the PE is capable of - the waxing was an afterthought mentioned to me by Russ Best. I still clean my barrel every couple hundred rounds, but the patches are nearly clean and accuracy remains consistant between cleanings. I now first clean every container of pellets I receive (for all my guns) before storing them away for future use. Once you see what comes off the pellets during cleaning, you might also. Can't imagine that anything in that black waste mixture is good for any barrel.

Hope this helps. PE's are great guns and great fun.

Rick McAllister
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Re: Wife health update from Don

Msg. 108108  Posted by Jim C. on April 30, 1999 at 12:13:37:

In Reply to: Wife health update from Don posted by DonC on April 30, 1999 at 08:11:46:

Great news Don !!!!! I'm happy for you both.
Jim C.

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Re: Ding!-Ding! Round Two - Airgun Ballistic Coefficients ;-)

Msg. 108107  Posted by Jim Baumann on April 30, 1999 at 12:08:13:

In Reply to: Ding!-Ding! Round Two - Airgun Ballistic Coefficients ;-) posted by peteR on April 30, 1999 at 08:34:39:

Hi Pete:

I also, agree with what you are saying; all of these are factors in what you really get when you shoot you gun.

In a way Wolfie is right; but, if you give a value to something, and that is not what you get then the value is wrong! The simple fact is that if you say a bullet has a ballistic coefficient of say .030; but, what you get when you shoot it works out to be only .02 then I say that the ballistic coefficient is not .03; but, .02! Math models, and absolute values mean little in the real world; or, to me they mean little.

I want to know what's really happening, and not what something should be. I guess I should call it something else; like a ballistic stability coefficient factor. If I do that things are really going to get confusing; or, at least, I would think they would.

In my conversations with a guy from Speer, he had told me of a test that one of their ballistic experts had done. The simply took some steel wool, and rubber the head, or tip of the half of the bullets being tested. The end result was that the these bullets came in with a completely differant ballistic coefficient. He said that if he did not know that they were the same bullets that he would have thought that they were of a slightly differant design. this is one of the things that you mentioned, of course.

While I know that Wolf, would not believe that when I put my chronographs back to back that they almost always give the same reading.

Wolfs say that this is suspect; well, I think that everything is suspect, and the only thing I ever go by, is when something keeps happing, regardless, of how may times you do it; if the results are the same, the I believe them to be correct; other wise they are not.

I do not doubt the results of your test, nor do I doubt the tests results that many others have done. I have tested the 10.5 grain Premier, until I am sick of doing it; but, I always go back and do it again, and again. As you pointed out, there can be a lot of veration, from one batch to the next, and this also changes the ballistic coefficient; but, usually only a tiny bit.

I do find it interesting that some would not believe that you can put this pellet in two differant guns, with almost the same muzzle velocities, and get a differance of as much as 100 FPS in remaining velocities at 50 yards; but, I have done these tests so, many times, that I don't even want to think about it.

I have found that people will believe what they want to believe, regardless of that facts; but, that's life!

Jim


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Re: SM 1000

Msg. 108106  Posted by LOU V.K. on April 30, 1999 at 12:06:57:

In Reply to: SM 1000 posted by Darrell Scoggins on April 30, 1999 at 09:42:38:


I just finished firing a 150 shot string with mine,at all yardages from 10-50,sighting it in,after epoxying the scope rail back down,and also the barrel sleeve,and Vortek,Muzzle Pro Dac.The largest group that I saw was at 50 yds.,from a foam pillow on a shooting bench,which was 1 1/16" with FTS pellets.the best,at that range was with CP 7.9gr. pellets,which went into a 5/8" group,( five shoots in every case ). If you are capable of doing a slight amount of work on one of these,I feel that they are better than the German issue that they cloned,( almost ). I am told that Frank Turner was livid when he saw these guns at the Shot Show,and instituted a lawsuit over this blatant copying. If he succeeds,they will no longer be available in the States.
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Re: HW-97 tunes

Msg. 108105  Posted by John M on April 30, 1999 at 12:05:52:

In Reply to: Re: HW-97 tunes posted by Brad Troyer on April 29, 1999 at 21:52:25:

I agree with Brad. Dave Slade tuned my HW97. It is smooth and chrons out at 908fps for Crossman Premiers 7.9gr.
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Re: Pro Elite Pellet Lube??

Msg. 108104  Posted by LOU V.K. on April 30, 1999 at 11:58:15:

In Reply to: Pro Elite Pellet Lube?? posted by BobF on April 30, 1999 at 10:16:48:


I have used Pledge Furniture Polish on the pellets for all of my piston guns for several years,with absolutely zero problems.

My application method is as follows.
Apply very liberally to a double thickness of good quality paper towelling.Spill out a small quantity of pellets onto the paper towelling,being cautious not to damage the pellet skirts by dumping them out from too great a height. Tumble gently acroos the wet spot,until all of the pellets are coated,and walk off for about 2 hours,or,until the water carrier has evaporated.I have had good success,drying the pellets with a hair dryer.This will reduce the leading considerably,but,the barrel must be clean before starting to use these lubed pellets,as,the wax will not remove pre existing lead.
Another product that has also worked well for many others is, Birchwood Casey,Sheath,which is to be applied in an identical manner.

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Re: Which PCP

Msg. 108103  Posted by LOU V.K. on April 30, 1999 at 11:45:20:

In Reply to: Which PCP posted by Mark D. on April 30, 1999 at 10:53:06:


For starters,Beeman makes NOTHING,other than money off of their customers,in large increments.
The Super 12 is in reality a Theoben product,with Beeman's name on it. It is probably the best rifle of the three,but,can be purchased for a LOT less money from other importers.
The BSA has received some very good press,but,I can't comment on this as I have never even seen one.
I am one of the former Daystate importers,and,find their products to be pretty decent.I just yesterday was informed by a British friend,that the Gibbon family is still *somewhat* involved in the operation of Daystate,but,have lost their total ownership,and controll of the form,and,that the quality has slipped drastically.I am going to check further into this alegation.
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Re: Wife health update from Don

Msg. 108102  Posted by RickK on April 30, 1999 at 11:31:16:

In Reply to: Wife health update from Don posted by DonC on April 30, 1999 at 08:11:46:

Don,
No debt at all. Just savor the time you have with your family but don't let your wife miss a single follow up appointment!
Good luck in the future, Hey maybe for excercise you can have your wife shoot with you!! The cocking of a small springer will give her just the kind of excercise my sister in law was told to do to rebuild her upper body strength.
(just a thought)
RickK
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Re: Where can I Get guns in Southern California?

Msg. 108101  Posted by DSmit on April 30, 1999 at 11:13:17:

In Reply to: Re: Where can I Get guns in Southern California? posted by jcbii on April 29, 1999 at 21:48:59:

I'll keep it in mind - thanks, jcbii!


DSmit

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BSA SUPER 10 Vs THEOBEN SUPER 7?

Msg. 108100  Posted by al uk shooter on April 30, 1999 at 11:08:17:

If both these were the same price which they are in the uk which would you prefer for hunting?
Al
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Buy it from a pawn shop!

Msg. 108099  Posted by The Airgun Letter on April 30, 1999 at 11:05:12:

In Reply to: Attn: Newlywed airgunners posted by MikeZ on April 29, 1999 at 20:00:58:

You could always try going to a pawn shop for a diamond! You may find exactly what you want. If not, you can always buy the ring with the stone you like and have the stone placed in a nicer setting. This could save you a lot of money. Personally, I have no use for diamonds or any other real gemstone. And neither do a lot of people. Even Jackie Onassis had all her jewelery reproduced with fakes (even the strands of pearls) and then sold everything that had the real gemstones in them. She still had the enjoyment and pleasure of a decorative piece, but without the cost or fear of loss.

Think a pawned gemstone is tacky? A bad omen? What makes it any different than buying at an estate sale? Anyone can fall on bad times - and buying stuff through an estate sale is no different than buying from a pawn shop.

And while you're at pawn shops diamond hunting, you could also see if there are any AIRGUNS! If so, they just might cut a deal when you make two purchases at once!

Edith Gaylord
The Airgun Letter
staff@null.null
http://www.airgunletter.null
http://www.airgunletter.com

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JCBII

Msg. 108098  Posted by vince on April 30, 1999 at 10:54:09:

In Reply to: Re: Beeman posted by jcbii on April 29, 1999 at 21:45:02:

I'm going to Beeman around 10:30 -11:00,
what time will you get there?
(lost your ##)
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Which PCP

Msg. 108097  Posted by Mark D. on April 30, 1999 at 10:53:06:

I have been a Pennsylvania Springer for a few years. I currently own both
a Beeman R1 and P1 and am quite satisfied with their performance, accuracy,
reliability and aesthetics.
I am presently looking into buying a .22 PCP. My main interest lies in the
Beeman Super 12, BSA Super 10 and the Daystate. I am leaning torward the Beeman
because I am biased to the Beeman.
I would like to hear opinions on any of the 3. Also, in general, how much
maintenance is involved with a PCP? Is it similar to a springer in regards to
the lubrication and the seals? How is their reliability?
Thanks, to all who reply
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Re: I'm considering the Daystate Silhouette/profile stock for an LR90 and Harrier

Msg. 108096  Posted by Dave Franey on April 30, 1999 at 10:51:36:

In Reply to: I'm considering the Daystate Silhouette/profile stock for an LR90 and Harrier posted by Tony U. on April 29, 1999 at 17:34:43:

Hey Tony,
Mind if I horn in on the discussion?

I'm glad to hear you might be considering getting a rig similar to mine (US Airgun article)

It's a real sweetheart.
Even though you will want to shoot it yourself, it is a great rifle for smaller adults and youths. I had a 10yr old boy, Tommy Pastick, shoot a Hunter FT match with it and he did very well. Also my Wifes 13yr old cousin, Megan can tag 50 yard 1.5 kills with it most every time, and with only 2 hours lifetime shooting experience. That was from a bench but you get the idea.
I'm not sure what area of the country you are from but you have a standing invitation to give mine a try at any WWCCA function.

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Re: SNAKE!!!!!!

Msg. 108095  Posted by The Airgun Letter on April 30, 1999 at 10:41:57:

In Reply to: Re: SNAKE!!!!!! posted by RBest on April 29, 1999 at 20:34:36:

You wrote:
Jerry: at the ripe old age of 12, I would frequently catch garter and black snakes ( black snakes
get HUGE up here-- I've caught them being at least 10 feet long!)Well- I took the garter snake
and wrapped it around my stomach- under my shirt- and waltzed into the house. Once inside, I
got in fromt of my mom and popped open the shirt. She damn near killed me ! I never did that
again! Russ
==========================
At the tender young age of 5, my mother and I took a trip to the Bronx Zoo. We went to a place where the snake handler had a very large snake in his hands and was encouraging people to come up and touch it. No one did - except for my mother. She went up, took the snake, and draped it around her neck like a feather boa! And I have never recovered from that!

I still dislike snakes, but recognize their usefulness in rodent control. But the minute they slither into my basement, they have infringed on my territory and are killed with an airgun (Q'bush made a special pistol for me that shoots "snake" shot - it's my modern-day Critter Gitter). I DO have enough self control to not do the same when they're in our yard or vegetable garden. I have even picked vegetables from the garden while standing next to a slithering black snake. The snake, however, was offended by my presence and immediately slithered off when he saw that I was invading his turf. Well, at least we had an understanding.

Edith Gaylord
The Airgun Letter
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http://www.airgunletter.null
http://www.airgunletter.com

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Re: Mendoza?? Here's their website

Msg. 108094  Posted by Raul on April 30, 1999 at 10:32:08:

In Reply to: Re: Mendoza?? Here's their website posted by LOU V.K. on April 30, 1999 at 08:47:00:

I think you were already there; go to the bottom and press the pellet which says "siguiente"

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Re: Crosman 2260

Msg. 108093  Posted by Mike Overly on April 30, 1999 at 10:28:45:

In Reply to: Crosman 2260 posted by Chris Linwood on April 30, 1999 at 08:32:03:

Chris: The 2260 is advertised at 600 fps here in the U.S. -- not a 12-ft-pound gun. I just chronoed mine and got an average of 10.0 ft-pounds with 14.3-grain Premiers.

If anyone's interested, the 2240 pistol chronoed 6 ft-pounds regardless of the ammo -- Hobbys to Dae Sung.

Best,
Mike

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Re: Do moderators affect velocity and accuracy?

Msg. 108092  Posted by DonC on April 30, 1999 at 10:26:53:

In Reply to: Re: Do moderators affect velocity and accuracy? posted by LOU V.K. on April 30, 1999 at 08:17:28:

I have a moderator on a Morini pistol. It is custom and quiets the muzzle signifigantly. I detect no improvement or detriment in accuracy. Don Nygord however has a moderator of his design that many 10 meter pistol shooters use. I know that Lhock recently purchased one for his new Pardini. He has used it for several days. I let him know you are interested in imput. Also check out Nygord's web site. (Get to it thru Airgunletter's web site listing)
Yo,
Don
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Pro Elite Pellet Lube??

Msg. 108091  Posted by BobF on April 30, 1999 at 10:16:48:

I get leading in the barrel of my Pro Elite .177 when shooting CPLs. I've heard that waxing pellets prevents this. What type of wax are we talking about. If it's an aerosol spray, will the carrier cause rust?
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Re: rifled barrels don't always make a pellet stable in flight, and that's the point NT

Msg. 108090  Posted by Jim Baumann on April 30, 1999 at 10:13:03:

In Reply to: Re: Hey Jim rifled barrels make a pellet stable in flight..pellets arnt round remember NT posted by M Boyle on April 30, 1999 at 03:01:23:



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Re: Ding!-Ding! Round Two - Airgun Ballistic Coefficients ;-)

Msg. 108089  Posted by Jim Baumann on April 30, 1999 at 10:06:32:

In Reply to: Ding!-Ding! Round Two - Airgun Ballistic Coefficients ;-) posted by peteR on April 30, 1999 at 08:34:39:


I would say that "Velocity Loss" when measured is the big one; wouldn't you!

Jim Baumann

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Re: A "handle" is something you hold; not a name

Msg. 108088  Posted by Jim Baumann on April 30, 1999 at 10:01:04:

In Reply to: Re: Hey Jim Bauman In case you missed the post! posted by Wolfesbane on April 29, 1999 at 22:42:51:



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Re: ''...If so, both chronys are not synched 2

Msg. 108087  Posted by Jim Baumann on April 30, 1999 at 09:54:48:

In Reply to: Re: ''...If so, both chronys are not synched 2 posted by Wolfesbane on April 30, 1999 at 00:14:11:


" 1% each read." Gee that's real bad I guess I should throw them away!

I you had realy done any of this you would know that even the most stable Bullets will vary a great deal down range; but you don't seem to have mentioned this; and you won't give you name.

You are a fake; hiding behind a fake name!

Jim Baumann
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Re: Hey Jim Bauman In case you missed the post!

Msg. 108086  Posted by Jim Baumann on April 30, 1999 at 09:47:28:

In Reply to: Re: Hey Jim Bauman In case you missed the post! posted by Wolfesbane on April 29, 1999 at 22:56:17:


"However rifling engraving does not to any measurable degree, and since it is a constant"

Yes tells us you arm chair expert; you are a complete fake; who hides behind a fake name some books that he read. I am sure that every barrel ever made comes from the factory just perfict; and I have no doubt that you believe it.

If you don't really think that a sub-sonic airgun accelerating the pellet subtantially deformes it, you really are seriously lacking in the real world.

So, you are saying even though I can smash a pellet, just by picking it up; that blowing it down
a barrel at 800 FPS can't deform it.

" Last post to the unwilling to learn" Not if you are going to post your nonsense here!

Jim Baumann

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SM 1000

Msg. 108085  Posted by Darrell Scoggins on April 30, 1999 at 09:42:38:

What is the word on the SM 1000? Is it a great gun or is it just hype?
Does anyone have data on the gun other than what the
advertising says? Thank You for your time and answers.
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Re: Mendoza??

Msg. 108084  Posted by BobF on April 30, 1999 at 09:12:16:

In Reply to: Mendoza?? posted by BobF on April 29, 1999 at 09:50:46:

Thanks for all the help. Will try some Beeman Chamber Oil and see if this helps with the speed. When my friend bought this gun (used) the guy told him it was a "magnum".
I looked on the website and it appears to be a model 600.
My friend is kinda pissed that his Mendoza won't keep up with my Pro Elite. Maybe I can get him closer in fps at least.

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HP 5370B Precision Universal Time-Interval Counter

Msg. 108083  Posted by vZc on April 30, 1999 at 09:11:46:

In Reply to: MODEL 35BNC CHRONOGRAPH for synchonization posted by vZc on April 30, 1999 at 09:01:21:

Time bases can be slaved or synchronized.

Add coaxial cables ( + optional PC control via HPIB) & measure.

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Re: MODEL 35BNC CHRONOGRAPH for synchonization

Msg. 108082  Posted by peteR on April 30, 1999 at 09:10:36:

In Reply to: MODEL 35BNC CHRONOGRAPH for synchonization posted by vZc on April 30, 1999 at 09:01:21:

Yep, thats what I used for TAR article! No I use a 33P chrono cain't afford that one Wolfies got,

BUT I'D SURE LIKE IT!.............
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How much did the price drop with Beech?

Msg. 108081  Posted by Marty Jones on April 30, 1999 at 09:09:49:

In Reply to: Sportsman is ALIVE and well! posted by Jim D on April 29, 1999 at 08:06:07:

I've thought this would be a nice gun also, but
have been shy of the asking price. Is the beech-
stocked gun in the $400-425 range?

best regards,

Marty Jones
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MODEL 35BNC CHRONOGRAPH for synchonization

Msg. 108080  Posted by vZc on April 30, 1999 at 09:01:21:

In Reply to: Ding!-Ding! Round Two - Airgun Ballistic Coefficients ;-) posted by peteR on April 30, 1999 at 08:34:39:

hp time base next

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I have an RWS 48/.20 from AirgunExpress...

Msg. 108079  Posted by Jeff on April 30, 1999 at 08:51:19:

In Reply to: RWS-48 IN .20 OR.22 WHICH IS BETTER FOR HUNTING posted by Bob G. on April 29, 1999 at 20:48:34:

I called AirgunExpress and ordered a 48/.20, they were in stock. I recieved my gun in 4 working days by UPS. I have not chronoed the gun yet. But I have used it to clear out the pidgeon population on some private property. This gun shoots flat. How fast,I don`t know as of yet. If you want one of these guns I`d recemend you call AirgunExpress, talk to them. If they are in stock you can have it in a few days. I have been treated very nice by AirgunExpress, I recomend them highly. I will try and chrono my gun and post the results.
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Re: Mendoza?? Here's their website

Msg. 108078  Posted by LOU V.K. on April 30, 1999 at 08:47:00:

In Reply to: Re: Mendoza?? Here's their website posted by RBest on April 30, 1999 at 00:00:56:


Only a small portion of their model lineup is shown on this website.None of the high end magnum,or repeating rifles are shown.
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Re: Crosman 2200 Won't Hold Air

Msg. 108077  Posted by W. Edwards on April 30, 1999 at 08:46:26:

In Reply to: Crosman 2200 Won't Hold Air posted by W. Edwards on April 28, 1999 at 15:23:37:

Are there any books or manuals about the Crosman
2200 that would allow me to dissasemble (easy), diagnose the
problem, fix it and then reassemble it successfully?
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Re: Mendoza??To LOv VR where can you see apic. of the Mendozea and gey one?

Msg. 108076  Posted by LOU V.K. on April 30, 1999 at 08:42:34:

In Reply to: Re: Mendoza??To LOv VR where can you see apic. of the Mendozea and gey one? posted by Raul on April 30, 1999 at 04:40:03:


After some cursory testing,I am now ready to sell my Mendoza 800 Magnum.22. It is in a gorgeous thumb hole walnut stock,and shoots very well. I have the entire kit,as received from Mexico,including all accessories,original box,etc..Price ,$175.00 + shipping to anywhere in the U.S.A..I have decided to thin out my extensive collection.
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Ding!-Ding! Round Two - Airgun Ballistic Coefficients ;-)

Msg. 108075  Posted by peteR on April 30, 1999 at 08:34:39:

Let me try again here.......


WOLFIE IS RIGHT, SO IS BILL B. me I'm still suffering from flame burns ;-)

Some of the factors taken into account to establish B/C values for a projectile are:

Head form or shape; meplat, waist (secant ogive?), and foot (skirt base).

Density of projectile material:lead, aluminized lead, zinc, PFTE embedded polyethelene etc etc

Sectional density

Velocity

Velocity Loss

Obturation and shrinkage during acceleration through the barrel and upon exiting.

exterior conditions temp, air density, elevation, etc.

PLEASE, before anybody starts another Brush WAR, JUST ADD to this list. My eyes are still trying to focus from A BLISSFUL "coma like" sleep and the caffeine has not yet kicked in..........

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Crosman 2260

Msg. 108074  Posted by Chris Linwood on April 30, 1999 at 08:32:03:

I have just taken receipt of a Crosman 2260 'Rabbit Stopper' claimed to be 12ft/Lb. I have
chrono'd it at about 8.5ft/Lb are they better in the US or is the sales blarb a bit optomistic?
Any tips to get the power up a bit?
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A couple other places to look

Msg. 108073  Posted by chuck bridgeland on April 30, 1999 at 08:21:42:

In Reply to: What to look for in the pawn shop posted by Kevin on April 29, 1999 at 12:56:12:

pawn shop?

You might also try keeping an eye out for gun auctions and gun shows.

Also check Brad Troyer's classified ads page:

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Re: Do moderators affect velocity and accuracy?

Msg. 108072  Posted by LOU V.K. on April 30, 1999 at 08:17:28:

In Reply to: Do moderators affect velocity and accuracy? posted by Jim McCord on April 30, 1999 at 00:45:30:


I have yet to see a PCP pistol fitted with a 'moderator',used in any form of competition,thus,I can make no judgement statement about them. I have certainly seen MANY PCP field target rifles so fitted,and,the comments made by the owners of these rifles has been pretty much unanimous.They are convinced that the 'moderator' is a definite accuracy enhancer. I own one rifle which is fitted with a licensed moderator,by Falcon Pneumatic Ltd.,which dramatically improved the accuracy potential of that individual rifle. In retrospect,I think that if,an effective moderator were to be fitted to a pistol,it would make that pistol far too muzzle heavy to be stable per it's hold,whereas,a rifle can benefit from a bit of additional weight up front,to stabilize the hold.
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Wife health update from Don

Msg. 108071  Posted by DonC on April 30, 1999 at 08:11:46:

The second surgery was a success! All cancer sells in my wife's breast are gone and minimal tissue loss. I am SO relieved. You'll never know how much your advice and support helped her and I thru the past 2 weeks. Thank you to all my airgun friends.
In your debt,
Don Carkhuff
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Re: try as i might i dont get follow through

Msg. 108070  Posted by PAL on April 30, 1999 at 07:57:26:

In Reply to: try as i might i dont get fallow through posted by M Boyle on April 30, 1999 at 05:28:29:

I feel your pain. I have had an R9 for about two months and I still can't get a decent group most of the time. The hold sensitivity document helped, but I am still getting it down.

I kind of like the challenge, but it can be frustrating at times. If it wasn't for this and other forums, I would have probably thought it was the gun. I am a good shot with my 140 and .22 rimfire.
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AirGunExpress had them in stock and trust his ability to chronograph...

Msg. 108069  Posted by vZc on April 30, 1999 at 07:53:47:

In Reply to: How many .20 48's have been delivered versus how many are on order? posted by RBest on April 30, 1999 at 01:10:32:

... he was the primary new product sales point @ $299 (near cost) vs $378 today.
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Re: Everybody say

Msg. 108068  Posted by wved on April 30, 1999 at 07:47:11:

In Reply to: Re: Everybody say posted by RBest on April 30, 1999 at 01:17:29:

He Russ, I remember that! That was when the entertainment industry was teaching morals, ethics and personal responsibility, in a time when gun controls were unheard of. Heck, I even remember when the cowboy "good guys" only shot the gun outta the hand and blood was not to be found. Guess we've come a long way baby :-(.
wved
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Re: you dont need to forgive. but please forgive the typos !!Dani , im sorry if ive insulted you. i didnt mean too..on the email, i do have a short memory ..But

Msg. 108067  Posted by M Boyle on April 30, 1999 at 06:47:21:

In Reply to: Re: Dani , im sorry if ive insulted you. i didnt mean too..on the email, i do have a short memory ..But posted by M Boyle on April 30, 1999 at 06:42:52:



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Re: Dani , im sorry if ive insulted you. i didnt mean too..on the email, i do have a short memory ..But

Msg. 108065  Posted by M Boyle on April 30, 1999 at 06:42:52:

In Reply to: Re: there are alot of typos in that post ..sorry edited ver posted by Dani on April 29, 1999 at 13:09:07:

i do remember the email in part. i did delete it so i cant quote it word for word. i was sharp in the first. email to beeman because it didnt make sense to me that Beeman S/R would sell the Mako FT stock and discontinue the mako. that just seemed short sited..if theres not many sold then there will be not many FT stocks needed. then i had said that some months ago i bought some silver Ace and all the tins had damaged pellets it was a 5 pack BTW. and the damage seemed in the same place on every pellet. you said somthing like this is no quote! that the silver Aces and ranjets are made by H&N and they always been..or sonthing along those lines. on the you said that beeman sells that stock for people who want to upgrade. now you dont control the companys that make them. but as i said when i first emailed you the ramjets and the silveraces did change..the first ramjets had thick smooth skirts. they seemed to have harder lead "imo" the ramjets now have a fluted skirt that much thinner. the silveraces were made, it seemed much like the silverjets thin fluted shirt and lathed the Silveraces dont look like they were lathed at all merly molded like many pellets. the skirts are now smooth. BTW i did remember this..you said that the silver aces are made H&N. and i beleave, now im working from memory! that you said theyve always been made by H&N. the first silvers aces and the best. IMHO are made in japan these are NOW made in Germany. and not as good. IMHO
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Re: Dani , im sorry if ive insulted you. i didnt mean too..on the email, i do have a short memory ..But

Msg. 108064  Posted by M Boyle on April 30, 1999 at 06:41:48:

In Reply to: Re: there are alot of typos in that post ..sorry edited ver posted by Dani on April 29, 1999 at 13:09:07:

i do remember the email in part. i did delete it so i cant quote it word for word. i was sharp in the first. email to beeman because it did make sense to me that Beeman S/R would sell the Mako FT stock and discontinue the mako. that just seemed short sited..if theres not many sold then there will be not many FT stocks needed. then i had said that some months ago i bought some silver Ace and all the tins had damaged pellets it was a 5 pack BTW. and the damage seemed in the same place on every pellet. you said somthing like this is no quote! that the silver Aces and ranjets are made by H&N and they always been..or sonthing along those lines. on the you said that beeman sells that stock for people who want to upgrade. now you dont control the companys that make them. but as i said when i first emailed you the ramjets and the silveraces did change..the first ramjets had thick smooth skirts. they seemed to have harder lead "imo" the ramjets now have a fluted skirt that much thinner. the silveraces were made, it seemed much like the silverjets thin fluted shirt and lathed the Silveraces dont look like they were lathed at all merly molded like many pellets. the skirts are now smooth. BTW i did remember this..you said that the silver aces are made H&N. and i beleave, now im working from memory! that you said theyve always been made by H&N. the first silvers aces and the best. IMHO are made in japan these are NOW made in Germany. and not as good. IMHO
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Re: try as i might i dont get fallow through--my experience

Msg. 108063  Posted by Alan on April 30, 1999 at 06:35:14:

In Reply to: try as i might i dont get fallow through posted by M Boyle on April 30, 1999 at 05:28:29:

I have shot firearms for 35 years, yet it took several hundred or more shots to get used to spring piston rifles for me. The more I shoot it seems, the more comfortable I am with these particlular guns. And the more I like them. I recommend (and just my own opinion) that a new rifle owner like a friend that just ordered an R9, shoot it as it comes to get a feel for it, and then have it tuned up by the guys that do that. Then one will really appreciate the before and after effect. Alan
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Re: try as i might i dont get fallow through: sorry about the typos

Msg. 108062  Posted by M Boyle on April 30, 1999 at 05:31:49:

In Reply to: try as i might i dont get fallow through posted by M Boyle on April 30, 1999 at 05:28:29:

let=like ..enough the= enough that
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try as i might i dont get fallow through

Msg. 108061  Posted by M Boyle on April 30, 1999 at 05:28:29:

i have an R1 and try as i might i dont get fallow through. i do the "artillery hold" and let it recoil. the thing recoils enough the im not sure where i hit till i look at the target after i hit it. so in a recoiler let the R1 whats the point. granted i know airrifle vol is slow enough not move til i hear the thud or smack of the pellet. but it still has that recoil that makes it impossible to see the target til after its hit ..not as its hit..God i cant waite for my JW80.
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Re: Mendoza??To LOv VR where can you see apic. of the Mendozea and gey one?

Msg. 108059  Posted by Raul on April 30, 1999 at 04:40:03:

In Reply to: Re: Mendoza??To LOv VR where can you see apic. of the Mendozea and gey one? posted by Willy on April 29, 1999 at 20:44:52:

You have to write Productos Mendoza Mexico in order to find their page. It has pics of their models and some specs. (some terms are incorrectly translated into English). As far as I know they export rifles to Europe and South America, but I think they have had trouble to export to U.S.A.

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Re: Mendoza??

Msg. 108058  Posted by Raul on April 30, 1999 at 04:25:56:

In Reply to: Re: Mendoza?? posted by LOU V.K. on April 29, 1999 at 11:45:10:

BE CAREFUL, only 1 drop every 200 rounds is enough ; otherwise you migth burn the piston seal. Ithink you should use one of those excellent high flashpoint airgun oils you have in the states (Beeman). The term flammable oil is incorrect in the owners manual

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Re: Mendoza??

Msg. 108057  Posted by Raul on April 30, 1999 at 04:15:08:

In Reply to: Mendoza?? posted by BobF on April 29, 1999 at 09:50:46:

According to the owners manual the rifles should be lubed with 3 or 4 drops of high flashpoint oil
every 100 rounds; but this yields terrible dieseling. In my personal experience I found that only 1 drop every 200-250 rounds is enough to keep the rifles well lubed without worring about dieseling.
According to the specs, the least powerful model should give 700 or 800 fps. (depending on pellet weight) . So probably the piston head is burned

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Re: RWS 48 scope mount

Msg. 108056  Posted by Allen S on April 30, 1999 at 03:59:21:

In Reply to: Re: RWS 48 scope mount posted by William on April 27, 1999 at 00:09:32:

the cmounts have stops built into the mount so ya won't need stop pins
and the gun with the right scope will shoot much better you will be very surprized
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Re: Mendoza??

Msg. 108055  Posted by RAUL on April 30, 1999 at 03:58:39:

In Reply to: Mendoza?? posted by BobF on April 29, 1999 at 09:50:46:



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Re: Mendoza??

Msg. 108054  Posted by RAUL on April 30, 1999 at 03:58:37:

In Reply to: Mendoza?? posted by BobF on April 29, 1999 at 09:50:46:



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Re: Boy did i start somthing..LOL did you know that DOD have a sheep Dept..and specs on them for weapona tests..thats true!..i told a friend of my airgun hobby ..she was in a chatroom ..she told me of the woodpecker prob nt :)

Msg. 108053  Posted by M Boyle on April 30, 1999 at 03:52:08:

In Reply to: Re: Foiled ..... posted by wved on April 29, 1999 at 10:17:09:


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Re: RWS 48 scope mount

Msg. 108052  Posted by Allen S on April 30, 1999 at 03:42:53:

In Reply to: Re: RWS 48 scope mount posted by RBest on April 26, 1999 at 23:49:42:

i have the same gun as yours and a model 45 also
and like you i didn't want to buy the c mounts but after ruining a
good leapold scope and and bushnel sport 3x9 scope
i bought the right air gun scopes for them you will not be able to use any mout other
then a air rifle scope standard mounts not only will not hold with out stops the rws have
a barrel matching that requires a adjustable mount most scopes do not
have enought abjustment to sight in do your self a favor and buy the right mounts and scope
it will save ya money in the long run
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Re: in this long thread some opinions made sence some didn't..remember some beleave a flapping wing of a butterfly can cause a Harricain..:spelled that wrong o well

Msg. 108051  Posted by M Boyle on April 30, 1999 at 03:40:31:

In Reply to: Re: No Apology Required Pete posted by Jim Baumann on April 29, 1999 at 13:51:05:

in BC many factors are consittered. but, knowing the factors that matter give us better data.
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Re: The Hold Sensitive Career 707

Msg. 108050  Posted by A-TEAM-RAY on April 30, 1999 at 03:31:39:

In Reply to: The Hold Sensitive Career 707 posted by Tom Jue/ca/usa on April 30, 1999 at 02:11:45:

I also believe that the Career is somewhat hold sensitive but I believe it is more me pulling my shots then anything else. I hold the gun very loose but with enough authority to not allow it to move when I pull the trigger. The trigger is at 8 ounces so I figure I need to hold it with about that amount of pressure maybe less due to the angle of pull. I put my fingers through the cocking handle and only touch the trigger when I'm fully on target. I do this with all my guns. My thumb of the shooting hand is always in line with the action never around the stock (thumb stays on top of action). This prevents me from pulling shots to the side. (John Quitter showed me that one). I believe that the Career is more hold sensitive then other precharges because of the heavy hammer in the gun and the long stroke of that hammer. This allows for tremondous power but demands a little more from the shooter. Follow through is more important with the Career because of the long lock time but don't think these guns are difficult to shoot. With proper holding I get 1/2 inch groups easy at 35+ yards off my butt. The odd thing is I can't get the gun to group on the bench. It must have something to do with my inconsistent bench rest technique. The Career requires just a tad more from the shooter then other precharges but the average shooter won't be expecting what I allways expect from my guns and my shooting so it really isn't any concern. Your gonna drop a squirrel or rabbit at 50 yards regardless of your hold. I just always want to split that particular Haire I'm aiming at. I'm just real picky. I also use a very heavy scope on my Career which makes it top heavy so I have to take extra care when shooting it. If I'm not in the right position it wants to fall over. Practice is all it takes. Speaking of the right position you are using a level aren't you. I rarely find that I don't have to correct for having the gun canted. If you use the level religiuosly like I do the groups shrink a bit also. That 1/2 inch kill zone at 40 yards is re4al tough if you can't the gun. I know that when I'm not concentrating on the cant I miss much more often.

Well enough rambling. HTH

Ray from ~ The "A" Team
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Re: Scope for 48 under $100 ?

Msg. 108049  Posted by Allen S on April 30, 1999 at 03:31:23:

In Reply to: Re: Scope for 48 under $100 ? posted by Mako on April 28, 1999 at 01:01:39:

i would sugjest a bsa 3-12x44 there 89 dollars brand new
you will be surprized how well they work
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Re: .22 what is the best for the price/performance

Msg. 108048  Posted by Mark Lemm on April 30, 1999 at 03:27:35:

In Reply to: Re: .22 what is the best for the price/performance posted by RBest on April 30, 1999 at 00:04:33:

You're right I was a little high, bad memory. $470 new over at Straight Shooters.

-Mark
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Re: Attn: Newlywed airgunners

Msg. 108047  Posted by Mark Lemm on April 30, 1999 at 03:24:27:

In Reply to: Re: Attn: Newlywed airgunners posted by MikeZ on April 30, 1999 at 01:03:22:

Your wise to come up with a budget but you will usually exceed it. I spend 5k on the ring I bought. Here are the basics:

1) By a GIA certified stone it will hold it's value longer.

2) The closer you get to 1 caret the higher the price goes. ( I got .98 and it was like $500 more just to go to 1 caret)

3) Your better off getting a higher quality stone than a less quality larger one.

4) NEVER buy from shopping mall jewerly stores. I got mine at a discount from a wholesaler in San Francisco.


Keep reminding yourself that it's an investment and that she's worth it! Good luck!

-Mark
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Re: Mounting a scope on a BSA SS

Msg. 108046  Posted by Allen S on April 30, 1999 at 03:06:24:

In Reply to: Re: Mounting a scope on a BSA SS posted by RBest on April 28, 1999 at 23:48:02:

ryan i have had tryed to just what you are talking about with a rws 45
i used my good leapold mounts and scope off of my 7 mag what happen was this
the scope broke in the first 15 shots so i bought a proper scope i used a bsa
3-12X44 and used the same mounts well this turned out to not to work as the mounts would never
hold they kept slideing back on the rail now i have the the cmounts that rws says to use and the
gun shoots great do your self a favor and buy the right mounts to start with before ya loose your mind and
end up buying the right mounts anyways after hours of frustration

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Re: Hey Jim rifled barrels make a pellet stable in flight..pellets arnt round remember NT

Msg. 108045  Posted by M Boyle on April 30, 1999 at 03:01:23:

In Reply to: Re: Hey Jim Bauman In case you missed the post! posted by Jim Baumann on April 29, 1999 at 19:10:27:


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Status on .22 cal Career...Accurate pellets for .25 Career 707

Msg. 108044  Posted by Tom Jue/ca/usa on April 30, 1999 at 02:19:31:

In Reply to: Re: If I could only have one? .22 cal Career 707 posted by A-TEAM-RAY on April 28, 1999 at 11:05:09:

Ray:

.22 Career
I did install the reg. I also installed a new valve. My old valve was modified by Burroughs and it was designed not to exceed 920 fps. Well, the new valve doesn't react to the power wheel. It stays at full power. I haven't figured this out yet.

.25 Career
So far, I have determined the RWS are not accurate at distance shooting (37yds). The Dae Sungs are very accurate. I still need to test the Kodiaks at distance shots.

I believe I would probably prefer the Kodiaks over the Dae Sungs if the Kodiaks are comparable in accuracy. They are much lighter at 31 grain and I would get more shots.

As far as O rings, I actually need O rings for the Career's valve. I haven't figured where to buy these.

Tom Jue/ca/usa

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The Hold Sensitive Career 707

Msg. 108043  Posted by Tom Jue/ca/usa on April 30, 1999 at 02:11:45:

In Reply to: So give us the posted by A-TEAM-RAY on April 28, 1999 at 01:54:42:

Ray:

You are so modest that you tend to forget that you're the one holding all of the trophies! You asking me how I shoot my Career 707 is like Jack Nicklaus asking his caddy hold to swing a club. So, I won't pretend I know what I am talking about here, but I will share what we observed to get your input on this.

Larry believes the Career 707 is hold sensitive. That is, it is important to hold the rifle is a consistent manner each time. He noted that I held it like I was shooting a gas ram , very loose. I was allowing the rifle to recoil.

So instead, I wrapped my right hand around the stock, with the thumb wrapped across the top and my non-shooting fingers wrapped thru the level instead of over it like I usually do. My grip was not tight. I placed my cheek softly against the stock. Larry emphasized that I concentrate carefully on each shot.

The results were instantaneous. My first groups with the .25 Dae Sungs were lousy. Larry shot next and his groups were tight at 37 yds. I tried his technique immediately and they were very tight. Larry also uses this technique for his .22 cal.

What are your thoughts on this Ray?

Tom Jue

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Re: Where can I Get guns in Southern California?

Msg. 108042  Posted by Jim C. on April 30, 1999 at 01:29:39:

In Reply to: Re: Where can I Get guns in Southern California? posted by DSmit on April 29, 1999 at 18:46:12:

Pomona Airguns. They are listed on the resource page
also. GREAT prices GREAT service NICE people.
Good luck, Jim C.
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Re: A diamond alternative

Msg. 108041  Posted by Jim C. on April 30, 1999 at 01:22:25:

In Reply to: Re: A diamond alternative posted by ProfHoff on April 29, 1999 at 21:48:35:

I have to agree with the Proff. Take it from someone
who is on the " I should have got a Whiscombe" side
of the street.Lots of things can change after " I do "
and it would sure be nice to lay a BIG TIME rock on
the woman after a couple of years and nice new airguns.
BTW, contrats and best wishes to both of you!!.
Jim C.
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Thanks ProfHoff and Everyone for reply

Msg. 108040  Posted by MikeZ on April 30, 1999 at 01:19:49:

In Reply to: Re: A diamond alternative posted by ProfHoff on April 29, 1999 at 21:48:35:

ProfHoff,

Thanks for the advice. I will take your advice to do research, plan finacially, and think about marriage. I think I will op for the diamond on my first try. Reason, I am very conservative.

Honestly, airguns are great, but a happy marriage and family the BEST. All the Whiscombes in the world don't stack up to a happy marriage and family.

Subject change. Here an airgun fact: I've had my Beeman .177 Beeman R1 for almost two years and I've only kill about 5 birds with it. Boy, I am super behind in kills.

Many more happy years to come!

MikeZ

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Re: Everybody say " Briarpatch"

Msg. 108039  Posted by RBest on April 30, 1999 at 01:17:29:

In Reply to: Re: Everybody say posted by trevor on April 30, 1999 at 00:48:57:

Trevor: you a fan of "Tales from the South"? Grew up with B'rer Fox and B'rer Rabbit, etc. " Zippity Doo Dah" Russ
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Re: Attn: Newlywed airgunners

Msg. 108038  Posted by Andrew Leung on April 30, 1999 at 01:16:06:

In Reply to: Attn: Newlywed airgunners posted by MikeZ on April 29, 1999 at 20:00:58:

My wife bought me my first 'adult' airgun for my wedding present: Webley Tempest Pistol with combat grips and I got her not only the wedding band that goes with the ring (diamond baggets) but other jewery as well....

My advice is that let the wife have what they like (like jewery) and I get airguns/guns myself.


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How many .20 48's have been delivered versus how many are on order?

Msg. 108037  Posted by RBest on April 30, 1999 at 01:10:32:

In Reply to: Re: correction: RWS-48 .20 is a new rifle with 24.31 ft-lbs posted by Bob G. on April 30, 1999 at 00:50:59:

Bob: From what I understand, many folks have been jerked around with these .20 48's. Some people have been waiting since December for delivery. Seems RWS did a test batch of these, and oversold them. I wonder how much longer it will be? Regards, Russ
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Re: Attn: Newlywed airgunners

Msg. 108036  Posted by MikeZ on April 30, 1999 at 01:03:22:

In Reply to: Re: Attn: Newlywed airgunners posted by Mark Lemm on April 29, 1999 at 21:42:46:

Congratulations to you two! Hopefully you will receive many airguns as gifts. Thanks for the advice offer also, but I think I need to do more search first and decide on budge first. MikeZ
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I'm SPEECHLESS..................... (NT)

Msg. 108035  Posted by Jerry Rhodes on April 30, 1999 at 00:53:43:

In Reply to: Re: SNAKE!!!!!! posted by ToddN on April 29, 1999 at 21:13:27:


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Re: correction: RWS-48 .20 is a new rifle with 24.31 ft-lbs

Msg. 108034  Posted by Bob G. on April 30, 1999 at 00:50:59:

In Reply to: Re: correction: RWS-48 .20 is a new rifle with 24.31 ft-lbs posted by Billy on April 30, 1999 at 00:24:41:

I talked to some folks at Airgunexpress and they chronyed two guns while I waited on the phone. They quoted me 875 w/ cp's 14.3 in .20 and 822 w/cp's 14.3 in .22. The diffenence is 2.85 fpe. Maybe the bore .20 size is most efficient for the swept volume and spring pressure in this gun, or it may be hype. If anyone out there has one of these guns could you tell us what numbers you get?Thankx'
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Re: Everybody say

Msg. 108033  Posted by trevor on April 30, 1999 at 00:48:57:

In Reply to: Everybody say posted by RBest on April 29, 1999 at 20:21:27:

And in da east Brer Crosman say to Brer Daisy,"whad he on about man?"
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Do moderators affect velocity and accuracy?

Msg. 108032  Posted by Jim McCord on April 30, 1999 at 00:45:30:

The subject heading pretty much states the question. I'm particularly interested in the effect of moderators on highly accurate PCP target pistols but would also be interested to know if there is a tradeoff for rifles as well.

thanks - jim
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Re: Who can I get to replace the seals on a Crosman Scanaker? ... nt

Msg. 108031  Posted by Charles on April 30, 1999 at 00:40:17:

In Reply to: Who can I get to replace the seals on a Crosman Scanaker? ... nt posted by Wayne on April 29, 1999 at 21:42:21:

Crosman will go thru the entire gun, replacing parts, etc. for $50.
Charles
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Re: Scope help needed

Msg. 108030  Posted by Jon B. on April 30, 1999 at 00:32:17:

In Reply to: Scope help needed posted by Eric Field on April 29, 1999 at 22:15:01:

I have a BSA ssprt. Would prefer the silverstar as it has the same power plant, but takes a standard scope mount. Not the screwy Bsquare one you use on the ssprt. Also is a fixed barrel, which gives a little more confidence in accuracy. HTH Jon B.
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Re: correction: RWS-48 .20 is a new rifle with 24.31 ft-lbs

Msg. 108029  Posted by Billy on April 30, 1999 at 00:24:41:

In Reply to: correction: RWS-48 .20 is a new rifle with 24.31 ft-lbs posted by vZc on April 29, 1999 at 23:31:57:

It would be great if it's true. If it is, I'll buy one, but for now, I think it's advertising hype. The gun doesn't achieve near those numbers in .22. With the same powerplant and 21% more pellet base area, the transfer of energy from the should be greater with the larger bore. This is not always true with underpowered powerplants but the 48 doesn't qualify as one. I trust and hope that you will post chrono results ASAP. Does anyone else have actual numbers?
Billy
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Shoot it up, shoot it down, make the pellet hit the ground, aim it high , aim it low, Omigod I just don't know..

Msg. 108028  Posted by RBest on April 30, 1999 at 00:21:07:

In Reply to: Re: Shooting up and down, how to correct? posted by Alan on April 29, 1999 at 21:29:39:

Okay Okay(apologies to Joe Pesce). I might as well throw this one into the fire. I just had a thought( we're in trouble). When shooting parallel to the ground, pellet velocity over a given distance is affected by the mass of the pellet and air resistance. Gravity doesn't have much effect on VELOCITY because it's pushing down on the pellet rather than against the pellets nose. In a high angle shot, not only are you dealing with the normal problems of a distant shot, you are also making the pellet fight gravity- which slows the pellet even quicker than a horizontal shot does. Is this idea correct? Regards, Russ
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Re: Scope help needed

Msg. 108027  Posted by greggg on April 30, 1999 at 00:14:15:

In Reply to: Scope help needed posted by Eric Field on April 29, 1999 at 22:15:01:

I just bought a new HW97 and Bushnell Trophy 4-12x from Tom Holst and I'm very pleased. His price of $150 on that scope was much lower than any others I saw. He's a Beeman 5 star dealer and his email is: tholst@null.null

I agree with getting a good scope. It's great to be able to zoom in on a starling so that you can be sure of a head shot. Good luck!
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Re: ''...If so, both chronys are not synched 2

Msg. 108026  Posted by Wolfesbane on April 30, 1999 at 00:14:11:

In Reply to: Re: ''...If so, both chronys are not synched 2 posted by Jim Baumann on April 29, 1999 at 22:19:46:


At Lawrence Livermore, we had arguably the finest chronys on the pl.null. We validated them eac morning with a HP Master Time Reference accurate to one billionth of a second. No string ever showed the exact same velocity. Too many variables. Extrodinary care was taken to ensure each load was the same. Your trust in a $100 chrony is misplaced. Their stated accuracy of 1% is terribly optimistic, and even if correct, that means + or - 1% each read. The fact that you say that were in agreement is specious. They can't be, simply because of their stated error rate.
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Re: Hey Jim Bauman In case you missed the post!

Msg. 108025  Posted by jj on April 30, 1999 at 00:08:07:

In Reply to: Re: Hey Jim Bauman In case you missed the post! posted by Wolfesbane on April 29, 1999 at 20:51:25:

By George, I think I am getting the idea now.

You define BC as Weight, shape and length of the pellet. Is this correct???

And this intangible thing we call BC is all in the pellet???

Other things esp. deforming the pellet, next velocity followed by weather (wind, temp., humidity, ect.) can affect BC, but is not part of the definition. Is this correct???

I think it is difficult, if not impossible to discuss something without first knowing and agreeing to the definition of the subject matter we are discussing, hopefully, in a friendly manner.


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Re: .22 what is the best for the price/performance

Msg. 108024  Posted by RBest on April 30, 1999 at 00:04:33:

In Reply to: Re: .22 what is the best for the price/performance posted by Mark Lemm on April 29, 1999 at 12:35:09:

Geez Mark--- The Beeman dealer near me sells used Kodiaks for $399 ! no scope. RB
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Re: Thumbhole Stocks - Likes and dislikes -Who's got em?

Msg. 108023  Posted by Dave Plemmons on April 30, 1999 at 00:01:37:

In Reply to: Thumbhole Stocks - Likes and dislikes -Who's got em? posted by Tony U. on April 29, 1999 at 14:20:28:

I have one one on my TX200 that Jim Maccari inleted
for me and he did the basic shape and I took it
from there and made lots of changes to suite me
. I love the looks and feel of it. If you would
like to see it go to my Son's web site by going to
Yahoo and type in Plemmons Cartoon page then go to
where it says a little info about myslef then down
to hobbies and airguns. I also did one for his TX
and also one from scratch on a Gamo 440. I think
you will love one and won't want a regular stock
after you get use to a thumbhole one. They make a
gun feel more special and different.
Good luck!
Dave in Denver
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Re: Mendoza?? Here's their website

Msg. 108022  Posted by RBest on April 30, 1999 at 00:00:56:

In Reply to: Mendoza?? posted by BobF on April 29, 1999 at 09:50:46:

Try this URL. Click on icons or their trademarks to go to the next pages. Russ

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Re: Scope help needed

Msg. 108021  Posted by Adam on April 29, 1999 at 23:56:21:

In Reply to: Scope help needed posted by Eric Field on April 29, 1999 at 22:15:01:

I have two BSA scopes, and I am quite pleased w/ them, and I have seen the BSA 3-12x44 scope for $90.00, on some websites. Good luck!!!
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Re: The gospel on '' Air Gun Rifling Wear ''

Msg. 108020  Posted by GreggR on April 29, 1999 at 23:55:46:

In Reply to: The gospel on '' Air Gun Rifling Wear '' posted by vZc on April 29, 1999 at 08:42:39:

You guys mean that after 3years and 15,000 pellets through my CR-94, that I did'nt have to clean it.... that one time,....that'll give me more time to shoot!
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Oehler makes a Screen with external coaxial output connection ...Re: ''...If so, both chronys are not synched 2

Msg. 108019  Posted by vZc on April 29, 1999 at 23:53:17:

In Reply to: Re: ''...If so, both chronys are not synched 2 posted by Wolfesbane on April 29, 1999 at 21:41:09:

... to start/stop trigger an external time base (frequency) counter; I recollect about $500/unit.

Multiple screens could share a common time base (hp test & measurement should have suitable model).
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Re: Career -vs- Saver...Trying to decide which one.

Msg. 108017  Posted by burbago on April 29, 1999 at 23:45:22:

In Reply to: Career -vs- Saver...Trying to decide which one. posted by TM on April 28, 1999 at 23:03:13:


The Career is a superior gun.......
The Saver is cheaper.........
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True. spend $200 on a good deal and avoid problems. nt

Msg. 108016  Posted by vZc on April 29, 1999 at 23:35:41:

In Reply to: Re: Scope help needed posted by McClure on April 29, 1999 at 22:33:58:

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correction: RWS-48 .20 is a new rifle with 24.31 ft-lbs

Msg. 108015  Posted by vZc on April 29, 1999 at 23:31:57:

In Reply to: Re: RWS-48 .20 is a new rifle with 23 ft-lbs ; waiting on one. nt. posted by Billy on April 29, 1999 at 23:21:14:

48 .20 8.5Lbs 43.0" 17.0" 875 W14.3 Grain pellet Spring Piston 39.00 Lbs 3.3 Lbs Auto 216 6203 $500.00 $378.00

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Re: Who can I get to replace the seals on a Crosman Scanaker? ... nt

Msg. 108014  Posted by Bill B. on April 29, 1999 at 23:21:50:

In Reply to: Who can I get to replace the seals on a Crosman Scanaker? ... nt posted by Wayne on April 29, 1999 at 21:42:21:

Crosman still offers factory service on Skanakers.

B.
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Re: RWS-48 .20 is a new rifle with 23 ft-lbs ; waiting on one. nt.

Msg. 108013  Posted by Billy on April 29, 1999 at 23:21:14:

In Reply to: RWS-48 .20 is a new rifle with 23 ft-lbs ; waiting on one. nt. posted by vZc on April 29, 1999 at 21:12:19:

I'd be thoroughly surprised if it made 23 ftlbs without dieseling. Who made such a claim, or how did you calculate it?
Billy
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Re: Aperture sight HELP

Msg. 108012  Posted by Jerry G on April 29, 1999 at 23:13:58:

In Reply to: Aperture sight HELP posted by Eric on April 29, 1999 at 22:39:17:

1 - may need higher front sight.
2 - see article on rear sight removal in the Airgun Forum Reference Section
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Re: About HW-77s

Msg. 108011  Posted by Mark Lemm on April 29, 1999 at 23:05:03:

In Reply to: About HW-77s posted by RBest on April 29, 1999 at 22:49:45:

Thanks for your comments. It sounds like the rifle was just what I was looking for. I was considering a Superstar but it sounds like I will be very happy with the 77. I'll let you know what I think after I've shot it for a while.
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Tacso?? Oops! Tasco

Msg. 108010  Posted by RBest on April 29, 1999 at 23:02:56:

In Reply to: hakko and tacso at least---- there are probably even more NT posted by RBest on April 29, 1999 at 18:46:36:

I guess if I could spell( or at least eliminate typo's) I'd be the Vice President. On second thought-- I'm better than he is, and I don't mean Quayle! RB
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Re: Scope help needed

Msg. 108009  Posted by RBest on April 29, 1999 at 22:56:57:

In Reply to: Scope help needed posted by Eric Field on April 29, 1999 at 22:15:01:

Eric: the scope you mentioned is not exactly my favorite in the BSA line-up. Some of them have less than optimum optics at 12 power, although they are adequate for normal use. Personally, I'd recommend the Bushnell Sportview 3x9x32 for this gun; and it's available from Natches Shooters Supply for less than $60 and I know it will withstand the guns recoil. I have 3 of them on various airguns. Regards, Russ best
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Re: Hey Jim Bauman In case you missed the post!

Msg. 108008  Posted by Wolfesbane on April 29, 1999 at 22:56:17:

In Reply to: Re: Hey Jim Bauman In case you missed the post! posted by Jim Baumann on April 29, 1999 at 22:12:41:


Apparantly, you have a reading problem as well as a knowledge lack. I stated that weight variances WILL have an effect on BC. However rifling engraving does not to any measurable degree, and since it is a constant , doesn,t alter the equations, or downrange effect. If you really think that a sub-sonic airgun accelerating the pellet subtantially deformes it, you really are seriously lacking in the basic understanding of amterials science. Last post to the unwilling to learn.
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Re: Career -vs- Saver...Trying to decide which one.

Msg. 108006  Posted by TM on April 29, 1999 at 22:51:49:

In Reply to: Re: Career -vs- Saver...Trying to decide which one. posted by Z-man on April 29, 1999 at 15:58:00:

Thanks Z-man. You've given me some good insight into the decision process.

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About HW-77s

Msg. 108005  Posted by RBest on April 29, 1999 at 22:49:45:

In Reply to: Re: HW-97 tunes Hey Russ posted by Mark Lemm on April 29, 1999 at 21:38:40:

Mark: I couldn't hack the open sights on the 77 because of my vision. The rear sight is farther back than normal on the 77 and it was VERY blurry for me. Had to scope the gun. As for performance, my 22 is as accurate as my TX-- which is saying something. It stacks pellets at 20 yards-- no lie.
The tune I did to it just about touches 700 fps with Premiers, and I wouldn't want to go much higher for fear of ruining the wonderful way it now shoots. One of the items I installed for the tune was Theobens Zephyr seal from Dave Slade ( $18 I believe). ld has commented on the attempts to "hot rod" this rifle, and with the exception of Venom's tune for this gun, I wouldn't want to push it much more. In other words, I agree with Larry's assesment. It can ruin a great airgun.
At it's present power range, I can take nearly all airgun suitable game out to 45 yards, and the gun is capable of headshots out to that range for sure. I haven't attempted anything beyond that with the -77. When it comes to aesthetics, the 77 has been a long time favorite of mine. One very handsome air rifle. Regards, Russ
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Re: Priorities

Msg. 108004  Posted by Ken Hildebrand on April 29, 1999 at 22:48:52:

In Reply to: Priorities posted by chasm on April 28, 1999 at 22:44:52:

Its a crazy stressed-out world, that's for sure. We make all these wonderful time-saving devices and somehow end up not having enough time. Everyone's in a hurry, so you better get out of their way, so they can get somewhere one minute earlier than if they drove like a sane person.

I think that's why I love trying to get a little time each week to do a little airgun shooting. It really is relaxing, and we all need some relaxation.

Take the time to talk to your wife and kids.
Find out what they did today or yesterday or what's going on tomorrow.
Go meet that neighbor that moved in yesterday, last week, last month, or last year.
Call an old friend.
Make a new friend (that's not so easy is it ?)
Shoot airguns and play harmonica--you'll make friends!

Happy Livin' and Shootin'

Ken
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Re: Hey Jim Bauman In case you missed the post!

Msg. 108003  Posted by Wolfesbane on April 29, 1999 at 22:42:51:

In Reply to: Re: Hey Jim Bauman In case you missed the post! posted by Jim Baumann on April 29, 1999 at 22:06:19:


Your ignorance of the most basic t.nulls of ballistics makes any further discussion with you impossible. Try reading;
Undertanding Ballistics by Robert A. Rinker
Modern Practical Ballistics by Dr. Art Pejsa
(although I doubt you could understand it)
and Modern Exterior Ballistics by Bob McCoy.
(you don't have a chance on this one, way beyond your level of understanding)
300 years of balistic experimentation and data put lie to everything you say.
My "handle" is my own. My e-mail address is always published along with it.
Again, get a clue.
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Aperture sight HELP

Msg. 108002  Posted by Eric on April 29, 1999 at 22:39:17:

I have several questions for those in the field knowledgable about these things:
1. Just attached a Williams 64 aperture sight to a Ben/Sher 397. I like the sight a lot, but it still shoots about 3/4 inch high at 33 feet with RWS Meisterkugeln 8.2 grain pellets, and I have run out of adjustment room. Does anyone have any suggestions?
2. Because I have the sight at the lowest setting, the original rear sight is interfering with my sight picture. How can one best remove the original rear sight from this rifle. Is this even recommended?
Could a reasonably experienced gunsmith remove it without defacing the finish on the gun?

Thanks in advance for those who can help me!!
Eric


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Re: Scope help needed

Msg. 108001  Posted by McClure on April 29, 1999 at 22:33:58:

In Reply to: Scope help needed posted by Eric Field on April 29, 1999 at 22:15:01:

Eric, you will get plenty of good information on this site as to scopes. However, from hard won experiece, get the best one you can afford. A cheap scope will in the long run cause you much misery and heartache, first blamming the gun for not being accurate, the pellets are wrong for the gun, bad barrel, many e-mail posts,"whats wrong with my gun", ..Sending the scope back for repair and waiting for a month or so for it to get back and on and on and on..Get the best you can afford even if you have to save up for awhile. HTH.
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Re: ''...If so, both chronys are not synched 2

Msg. 108000  Posted by Jim Baumann on April 29, 1999 at 22:19:46:

In Reply to: Re: ''...If so, both chronys are not synched 2 posted by Wolfesbane on April 29, 1999 at 21:41:09:


Your are saing that if the chronys are not in "synch" that they give bad reads. So; when I use my chronograph and it gives me a velocity,
and I shoot through my other chronograph and it gives me the same velocity; that they are both wrong. I think that the people who make chronographs might not agree with that.

Jim Baumann
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Re: What to look for in the pawn shop

Msg. 107999  Posted by Ken Hildebrand on April 29, 1999 at 22:16:36:

In Reply to: What to look for in the pawn shop posted by Kevin on April 29, 1999 at 12:56:12:

It all depends on what the pawn shop has available, and the condition, which might be hard to completedly determine. It's good to know what the going price is by subscribing to Airgun Ads and by watching the on-line classifieds (like Brad Troyer's).

I've bought a few airguns (an FWB124D, RWS 45, silver streak, and a blue streak), and I try to stop in once a month or so to see if anything new comes up and to get to know the pawn shop owner. Once he gets to know you, he may give you a call when something decent comes up for sale; that's how I got the FWB124D.

Often the fixed sights may be missing, especially if the previus owner removed them when mounting a scope. I had to replace sights on both the FWB124 (front only) and the RWS 45 (both), and sights are not cheap. The scopes may be plain junk. If the sights are missing, use that to dicker. Always dicker. A good set of sights may cost $50 or $60 dollars (actually worth more than the junk scopes some guys put on their airguns!).

Check obvious possible wear points, breech seals, and barrel (anything stuck in there ?). On pneumatics, I would give it a pump or 2 and fire it in a safe direction (ask permission).

You never know what you might find, and whatever you find might need some work, and you won't know the history of the gun. I had Jim Maccari tune the FWB124D and its a delight to shoot.

If you can't find anything decent, get a nice new R9 tuned by Jim Maccari or Paul Watts, and go have some fun; your wife might even let you shoot it!

Check back with the pawn shops periodically to see if any treasures have surfaced.

Enjoy !

Ken
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Re: HW-97 tunes Brad?

Msg. 107998  Posted by Luis Leon on April 29, 1999 at 22:15:30:

In Reply to: Re: HW-97 tunes posted by Brad Troyer on April 29, 1999 at 21:52:25:

What was the velocity of your gun shooting the cp lites before the tune?

Thanks

Luis
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Scope help needed

Msg. 107997  Posted by Eric Field on April 29, 1999 at 22:15:01:

OK, guys, I think I have made my decision as to my first airgun - a BSA SuperSport or Silversport (depending upon which I can get first, as someone has told me that the SIlver has not yet arrived in America.)

Now, I need help on choosing a scope. Does anyone have any experience with the BSA scopes? I have seen a 4x12-44 advertised for under $100 - all the other scopes i have seen with those stats are at least $50-100 more. If anyone can tell me about the BSA scopes, I'd appreciate it.

Also, it seems that there is a bit of confusion on some websites selling scopes - I can't help but feel a little worried about buying a scope when the site doesn't really say whether that scope is designed for Spring piston airguns!

Thanks all for the help and advice - I can't wait to start shooting and sounding like an expert! (That may take a while, and until then I will probably continue to pester you all with questions!)

Eric

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Re: Hey Jim Bauman In case you missed the post!

Msg. 107996  Posted by Jim Baumann on April 29, 1999 at 22:12:41:

In Reply to: Re: Hey Jim Bauman In case you missed the post! posted by Wolfesbane on April 29, 1999 at 20:51:25:


Yeh ! we know that pellets never get deformed when shot out of a barrel; and pellets weights never vary!

When the facts disagree you just "say that the chronys' are bad."

Boy are you full of it!

Jim Baumann
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Re: HW-97 tunes

Msg. 107995  Posted by Mark Lemm on April 29, 1999 at 22:06:23:

In Reply to: Re: HW-97 tunes posted by Brad Troyer on April 29, 1999 at 21:52:25:

Brad is that in .177? What do you think the upper end of a 77 in .22 would be? BTW I had Dave put a gas ram in my Vulcan and do a trigger job, boy does it shoot smooth now.

-Mark
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Re: Hey Jim Bauman In case you missed the post!

Msg. 107994  Posted by Jim Baumann on April 29, 1999 at 22:06:19:

In Reply to: Re: Hey Jim Bauman In case you missed the post! posted by Wolfesbane on April 29, 1999 at 20:38:55:


The optimum twist only works to achive Stabilty if the muzzle velcoity is high enough to to spinn the bullet, or pellet fast enough. You seem to know so much about math; you go figure it out.

Research is fine; but if the research is not based on actual tests; it means little. I measured the ballistic coefficient of pellets the same way that Remmington measures the ballistic coefficient of their bullets. Go tell them your math.

If you think that the lack stabilty of does not affect the ballistic coefficient; then the only one here that is talking mindless nonsense is you!

By the way, is "Wolfesbane" your name ? or is it something you just hide behind; like someone elses "Research" that you can't understand ?

Jim Baumann

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Re: Thumbhole Stocks - Likes and dislikes -Who's got em?

Msg. 107993  Posted by Rada on April 29, 1999 at 21:59:57:

In Reply to: Thumbhole Stocks - Likes and dislikes -Who's got em? posted by Tony U. on April 29, 1999 at 14:20:28:

Air Arms has thumbhole stocks for the S-300/310 series. They are walnut.
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Re: Field Targets, Please

Msg. 107992  Posted by Brad Troyer on April 29, 1999 at 21:56:56:

In Reply to: Field Targets, Please posted by andye on April 29, 1999 at 16:50:22:


You can use computer clip art and picture from magazines or books
for target faces. I usually copy the pictures and use the copy to
make and paint the target face. Clip art is great too since you can
many time edit it some before you print it.

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Donovan Taylor --- Please get in touch with me about your order (nt)

Msg. 107991  Posted by Bob W. on April 29, 1999 at 21:56:52:

(nt)

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Daisy 2001

Msg. 107990  Posted by Alex Roehm on April 29, 1999 at 21:56:35:

Does anyone like or dislike, have any info, preferences on this rifle?

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Re: What to look for in the pawn shop

Msg. 107988  Posted by MartinL on April 29, 1999 at 21:53:53:

In Reply to: What to look for in the pawn shop posted by Kevin on April 29, 1999 at 12:56:12:

First I believe a wife who wants to shoot deserves a new gun for their enthusiasm. It's rare enough to have such a lady. Last, I wouldn't want to condone pawn shops. They always screw the price up so much it is insulting to me to have to dicker.

Maybe by her a CO2 of some kind. They would be easy to get addicted to, and then you could work her up to a springer later..ml
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Re: HW-97 tunes

Msg. 107987  Posted by Brad Troyer on April 29, 1999 at 21:52:25:

In Reply to: HW-97 tunes posted by Randy Hill on April 29, 1999 at 20:39:58:


David Slade at Airgunswerks also does excellent work. I have all my rifles
tuned by Dave. I recently had him tune up one of the newer HW97s to get the
power up as much a possible to shoot heavy pellets. He got it up to 775 with
the CP10.5 pellets and well over 900 fps with the lites.


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Re: Where can I Get guns in Southern California?

Msg. 107986  Posted by jcbii on April 29, 1999 at 21:48:59:

In Reply to: Re: Where can I Get guns in Southern California? posted by DSmit on April 29, 1999 at 18:46:12:

DSmit,

Beemans will sell airguns over the counter. You usually have to knock on the Door (on right side of the building past the chain link fence), because they tend to keep it locked.
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Re: A diamond alternative

Msg. 107985  Posted by ProfHoff on April 29, 1999 at 21:48:35:

In Reply to: Attn: Newlywed airgunners posted by MikeZ on April 29, 1999 at 20:00:58:

Mike,

Congratulations to both of you!

If you two are really in love and plan to make a life together, consider a far less expensive alternative to a diamond: a cubic zirconia

Cubic zirconia (CZ) is a human-made stone that rivals the diamond in sparkle. It's almost as hard as a diamond (it will scratch glass), it has an index of refraction comparable to a diamond (has flash and fire), and (unlike a diamond) it is almost always internally flawless. Bottom line: In a jewelry store, diamonds and CZ are only distinguishable by optical examination with an instrument. No jeweler can identify a cubic zirconia among a collection of similarly cut high quality diamonds by looking at the stones through a jeweler's loupe (eye lens). You can get a quite stunning CZ for less than a hundred dollars.

May I suggest that you research and examine these stones with your sweetheart, discuss the financial savings to be achieved by a pretty CZ in a very nice high-quality gold mounting (only the two of you will know), and then agree that when you're both well-fixed financially she will have the "real thing." It's a very nice way to achieve an understanding that really expresses mutual love and respect -- as well as a mutual ability to sacrifice for the benefit of the relationship.

I know this because that's exactly what happened in our marriage. We went for the CZ. Years later I bought her the real thing. Last year I bought her a diamond anniversary ring commemorating our fortieth year together. She tells me that she plans to keep me another year. I am greatly blessed.

BTW, she likes the CZ best because it was her first "diamond" and our little secret.

I wish you well. May God bless your union.

Regards,

ProfHoff

P.S.

Gotta get some airgun stuff in here lest this posting be purged as irrelevant. My missus gives me no grief when I want to buy airguns. I wonder why.
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Re: Where can I Get guns in Southern California?

Msg. 107984  Posted by Mark Lemm on April 29, 1999 at 21:48:25:

In Reply to: Where can I Get guns in Southern California? posted by David on April 29, 1999 at 18:15:34:

David boy are you lucky to live to close to Beeman's. Go to their store to check out all the goodies they have. Once you decide what you want go over to Air Ventures in Bellflower to buy the one you want. Beeman only sells at FULL retail. My advice would be to get an R9 they are really nice. Many air rifles will kill squirrels at 40 yards or more so yes they will pierce skin. They are a dangerous weapon and should be treated as such. have fun and welcome aboard!!

-Mark Lemm

P.S. Forget about Daisy guns IMHO
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Re: Beeman

Msg. 107983  Posted by jcbii on April 29, 1999 at 21:45:02:

In Reply to: Beeman posted by vince on April 29, 1999 at 21:40:53:

Hey Vince,

Took my S1 into Beeman's today to see what they would give me in trade towards R9. It's the best I can do with limited budget, but it also means that I will be back to square one (no scope). I will need to talk to Don tomorrow. You been hunting any?


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Re: Attn: Newlywed airgunners

Msg. 107982  Posted by Mark Lemm on April 29, 1999 at 21:42:46:

In Reply to: Attn: Newlywed airgunners posted by MikeZ on April 29, 1999 at 20:00:58:

I bought one last year for my now fiance (wedding is in October). I'd be happy to give you advice and what to look for and how much so spend etc. Just send me an e-mail and I can give you more details.
Congratulations!

-Mark Lemm
Martinez CA
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Who can I get to replace the seals on a Crosman Scanaker? ... nt

Msg. 107981  Posted by Wayne on April 29, 1999 at 21:42:21:

nt

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Re: ''...If so, both chronys are not synched 2

Msg. 107979  Posted by Wolfesbane on April 29, 1999 at 21:41:09:

In Reply to: ''...If so, both chronys are not synched posted by vZc on April 29, 1999 at 21:23:05:


It is esentially impossible to "synch" two separate chronys. To get meaningful data, you must use a single chrony with two sets of inputs that share the same master oscillator or time reference. The Oehler 43 is the only low priced model available to my knowledge. Using muzzle data and downrange data, you can derive BCs from velocity loss. Garbage in= garbage out holds true. If the data is spurious, the derivitives are also.
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Beeman

Msg. 107978  Posted by vince on April 29, 1999 at 21:40:53:

In Reply to: Re: Where can I Get guns in Southern California? posted by David on April 29, 1999 at 21:29:45:

Beeman is at 5454 Argosy Dr. Huntington Bch.

Garden Grove Freeway ,South on Valley View/
Bolsa Chica about 2 miles to Argosy then left
2 or 3 blocks on the right side.

800 227-2744

hope this helps
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Re: HW-97 tunes Hey Russ

Msg. 107977  Posted by Mark Lemm on April 29, 1999 at 21:38:40:

In Reply to: Re: HW-97 tunes posted by RBest on April 29, 1999 at 20:43:24:

Does the same hold true for the HW 77 as well? I just ordered a used one in .22 (LH w/ supertune from Airgun Express) and was wondering how it works for short range hunting. I read in an earlier post that you have a 77 in .22 as well and wanted to know what I can expect from it. I'm not going to put a scope on it because I wanted an acurate open sight rifle for target shooting and short range hunting. Thanks Russ!

-Mark
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Be nice! Steve is never to be confused with the other Parker or anyone else!!!!!

Msg. 107976  Posted by H. Todd on April 29, 1999 at 21:33:58:

In Reply to: Steve: the things I've heard about you...... posted by RBest on April 29, 1999 at 20:24:06:



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Re: Which should i choose

Msg. 107975  Posted by H. Todd on April 29, 1999 at 21:31:39:

In Reply to: Re: Which should i choose posted by RBest on April 29, 1999 at 18:50:47:

Russ, you are most likely right but after having shoot the ten shot variety next to the single shot, I would chose the 10 shot Goldstar. Mind you I don't mind the added expense. I prefer the ease of use when actually shooting.

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Re: My response is way down there! NT (Wade)

Msg. 107974  Posted by Alan on April 29, 1999 at 21:31:28:

In Reply to: Re: RWS 36 velocity/power??? posted by Wade on April 29, 1999 at 18:31:55:

nt
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Re: Which should i choose

Msg. 107973  Posted by H. Todd on April 29, 1999 at 21:31:21:

In Reply to: Re: Which should i choose posted by RBest on April 29, 1999 at 18:50:47:

Russ, you are most likely right but after having shoot the ten shot variety next to the single shot, I would chose the 10 shot Goldstar. Mind you I don't mind the added expense. I prefer the ease of use when actually shooting.

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Re: Where can I Get guns in Southern California?

Msg. 107972  Posted by David on April 29, 1999 at 21:29:45:

In Reply to: Re: Where can I Get guns in Southern California? posted by vince on April 29, 1999 at 20:48:42:

Vince: So where is Beemans? It sounds pretty neat. Whats so good about Beemans? How much do their guns cost?
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Re: Shooting up and down, how to correct?

Msg. 107971  Posted by Alan on April 29, 1999 at 21:29:39:

In Reply to: Re: Shooting up and down, how to correct? posted by Wade on April 29, 1999 at 15:53:52:

Peller starts out in barrel which is 1 1/2" below center of scope(line of sight). Pellet always starts falling as soon as it leaves bore. It must be aimed up to intersect line of sight (scope). It will generally meet line of sight at where ever you set it (20 yards?). It is, although falling in a curve, still going up because we set gun/scope to do so. It will generally fall back through line of sight around 40-60 yards and continue falling. When we aim up at an angle, the gravity is not pulling pellet down through line of sight as strongly as before and pellet will not fall through line of sight as soon. So as we cast the pellet up to meet line of sight(scope)it will not curve down as soon(much)and will hit higher at 20 yard point than before. How much is hard to tell from charts, and just shooting at the high angle will tell you exactly! It takes a volunteer tree, however, or a friend to get somewhere high enough to place a target. Signed, Mr. Anal Retentive Himself, Alan
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''...If so, both chronys are not synched " more info, same counter time base ? nt

Msg. 107970  Posted by vZc on April 29, 1999 at 21:23:05:

In Reply to: Re: Hey Jim Bauman In case you missed the post! posted by Wolfesbane on April 29, 1999 at 20:51:25:

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Re: Question for Mac-1

Msg. 107969  Posted by RBest on April 29, 1999 at 21:21:19:

In Reply to: Question for Mac-1 posted by Scubablizz on April 29, 1999 at 21:05:47:

Scuba... : Tim may be on his way to Little Rock for the show. I heard he was driving down with ld. Russ
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Amen ! and let the other poor dumb SOB die for his country. nt.

Msg. 107968  Posted by vZc on April 29, 1999 at 21:16:38:

In Reply to: Everybody say posted by RBest on April 29, 1999 at 20:21:27:

.
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Re: Healthway Plainsman Pistol

Msg. 107967  Posted by Ken Pang on April 29, 1999 at 21:16:23:

In Reply to: Re: Healthway Plainsman Pistol posted by Jeff guinan on April 29, 1999 at 18:18:17:

If you need new valve assemblies, I still have a few left. If interested, contact me at airguns@null.null

Ken Pang

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Re: there are alot of typos in that post ..sorry edited ver

Msg. 107966  Posted by Robert Hamilton on April 29, 1999 at 21:16:15:

In Reply to: Re: there are alot of typos in that post ..sorry edited ver posted by Dani on April 29, 1999 at 13:09:07:

Hi Dani!
Welcome to AGL. Thank you (and Rick Johnson, your Beeman coworker) for coming over here as well as your presence on the excellent StraightShooters airarm chat site!
Robert Hamilton
p.s. I forgot....are Beeman sporting airarm velocities determined with Silver Bears and the velocities of match airams determined with H&N High Speed or regular match pells?


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Re: SNAKE!!!!!!

Msg. 107965  Posted by ToddN on April 29, 1999 at 21:13:27:

In Reply to: SNAKE!!!!!! posted by Adam on April 29, 1999 at 02:12:35:

Snake stories - ah, have I got a few of those!
Let's see... the cobra the spit on me - AFTER
my brother clobbered me over the head with his
flailing stick while trying to nail it? Or the python
my friend stepped on when we were on a hike?
Or the time I was just six, sitting on the
fence with my brother and took off running 'cause
a snake was coming up the post behing me and my
brother just sat there 'cause he didn't believe me?
The one about the 9 foot Black Mamba in the
sliding-door pop machine inside the Bible College
is a good one! But so is the one about the snake
that found its way into our little laundry room one day.

It was a typical, warm and quiet Sunday afternoon
on the mission station - I was back in my room
whipping my brother at a sleep-inducing game of
UNO or something - when the tranquility of the
moment was wrenched in half by a two hundred
decibel scream coming from the other end of the house,
followed by the BAM, BAM of a couple doors being
slammed shut. It wasn't an 'ouch-I-got-hurt' scream, either.
It was the kind of scream that sends your adrenalin system
into overdrive; the kind that curdles your blood; raises
the hair on the back of your neck; or causes blood
to flee your face and get to muscles that might
really be needing it in a hurry.
When we got to the kitchen dad was trying to
decipher what my sister was trying to say,
who was hysterical and obviously the victem of some
horrendous scare. Finally, sn.. sna...SNAKE! escaped
her lips as she pointed to the laundry room where
she'd just been.

Carefully opening a couple doors and looking into
our tiny laundry room, we saw it. Actually, just a
couple feet of it, sticking up in the air from
behind the washing machine and glaring at us
with those beady black eyes, sitting in that coffin
shaped, slender head filled with deadly neurovenom,
was a huge Black Mamba. The fastest venomous
snake in the world at 15 mph, and renowned for
its potential aggressiveness, we knew Tricia was
lucky to still be alive.

To make a long story short, dad finally killed the
snake with a heavy iron rake after a shot into its
body with an airgun just ticked it off, and it began to
slither out from under the washing machine amid
raspy hissing noises. It was this hissing that my
sister had heard before she saw the snake, and
thought the noise was from the plastic clothes basket
she was digging in rubbing on the concrete floor.
That is, until she looked up and saw the head of
this thing just a few feet from her!
After about an hour of dealing with this very
dangerous and lethal threat in our house, we dragged
the corpse outside for the usual measurement
taking ritual we ended most big snake kills with.
7' 2" is what the tape said. Not quite the 9' of
the one in the College or the one that crawled into
a wood stove at another house, but plenty big
enough!

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RWS-48 .20 is a new rifle with 23 ft-lbs ; waiting on one. nt.

Msg. 107964  Posted by vZc on April 29, 1999 at 21:12:19:

In Reply to: RWS-48 IN .20 OR.22 WHICH IS BETTER FOR HUNTING posted by Bob G. on April 29, 1999 at 20:48:34:

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Question for Mac-1

Msg. 107963  Posted by Scubablizz on April 29, 1999 at 21:05:47:

You responded to my post about the career 707 a couple of days ago. Your price was $650.00 with your accs. How much more for the Axor pump? Thanks...
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MCCLURE,ALLAN

Msg. 107962  Posted by vince MCcLURE Read on April 29, 1999 at 20:54:22:

In Reply to: Any word on the FTS, did we save it or not???NT posted by McClure on April 29, 1999 at 15:06:05:

btw,
the scope had a bad cross hair,
no problem.. I exchanged it out
on the spot for a new one!!
thank you for the great deal!!

vince
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2 Piece Max Mounts

Msg. 107961  Posted by David M on April 29, 1999 at 20:52:58:

For those of you familiar with Max Mounts sold by Jim Macarri (maybe others too), will the two piece design hold a Simmons Mag 44 6.5-20X scope in place on a TX200 MKV? Should I use the 1 piece design instead? Also, what other types of mounts would be good for this rifle/scope combination? TIA

Regards,
David M

P.S. I have the high version of the Max Mounts.
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Re: Beginner needs Advice - Part 2

Msg. 107960  Posted by RBest on April 29, 1999 at 20:51:35:

In Reply to: Beginner needs Advice - Part 2 posted by Eric Field on April 29, 1999 at 10:32:20:

Eric: as to the RX-1 in .22, it's a very good airgun. It does have recoil, but being a gas ram precludes it from extreneous vibrations, and gas rams do have a faster lock time, making the recoil less critical( when compared to a stock springer). I have an RX-1 in .20 and am very happy with the way it shoots. Another friend, Dave Plemmons, has the .22 version which he also likes very much. Regards, Russ
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Re: Hey Jim Bauman In case you missed the post!

Msg. 107959  Posted by Wolfesbane on April 29, 1999 at 20:51:25:

In Reply to: Re: Hey Jim Bauman In case you missed the post! posted by jj on April 29, 1999 at 20:12:15:


Ballistic coeficient is "fixed at the factory" by the pllet maker. It is a function of pellet weight and its shape. Nothng you can do(outside o deforming the pellet) will and can change it. Velocity is the largest variable, followed by air density(a function of temp, pressure, humidity). Wind is a factor. Shootng into a headwind is radically different than shooting with a tailwind.
Remember that the velocities are low with airguns, and the pellet weights are very low. Hence, a small change in variables has a larger effect on trajectory. In your earlier post, are you using tw separate chronys to measure muzzle and downrange velocity? If so, both chronys are not synched, so any data is specious.
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Re: Where can I Get guns in Southern California?

Msg. 107958  Posted by vince on April 29, 1999 at 20:48:42:

In Reply to: Where can I Get guns in Southern California? posted by David on April 29, 1999 at 18:15:34:

David,
Go and see the boy's at Beeman,you're right
there! Other airgunners would give their left
pellet to be this close.
Beeman,(Don,Steve,Bill,or Rick), will walk you
into"THE AIR GUN High" that we all got.
Have fun
Vince
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RWS-48 IN .20 OR.22 WHICH IS BETTER FOR HUNTING

Msg. 107957  Posted by Bob G. on April 29, 1999 at 20:48:34:

I'm looking to buy a RWS-48,and would like to know shich cal. is better for hunting swuirrels and pigoens. Also do you recemmend installing a vortec ram for power and smoothness.
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Re: Mendoza??To LOv VR where can you see apic. of the Mendozea and gey one?

Msg. 107956  Posted by Willy on April 29, 1999 at 20:44:52:

In Reply to: Re: Mendoza?? posted by LOU V.K. on April 29, 1999 at 11:45:10:

Thanks Willy.
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Request for phone #

Msg. 107955  Posted by Dan B. on April 29, 1999 at 20:43:28:

Anybody know what the phone # is for Pomona airguns? (Their web page has the old area code and #)
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Re: HW-97 tunes

Msg. 107954  Posted by RBest on April 29, 1999 at 20:43:24:

In Reply to: HW-97 tunes posted by Randy Hill on April 29, 1999 at 20:39:58:

Randy: I understand both Jim Maccari and Paul Watts have done tunes on the -97. Regards, Russ
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HW-97 tunes

Msg. 107953  Posted by Randy Hill on April 29, 1999 at 20:39:58:

I have a HW-97, it is accurate, but would like a bit more power than stock. Anyone that has a tune on one, I would like to hear your opinion of it. I understand its piston has a small swept area, so I'm sure it can't be boosted up very much.-----Thanks in advance--Randy
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Re: Hey Jim Bauman In case you missed the post!

Msg. 107952  Posted by Wolfesbane on April 29, 1999 at 20:38:55:

In Reply to: Re: Hey Jim Bauman In case you missed the post! posted by Jim Baumann on April 29, 1999 at 19:10:27:


Balistic coefficient and Stabilty are two radically different things. Obviously , you don,t know the difference. Stability is gained by the twist of the rifling. For each bullet weight(lenght) there is an optimum twist. Gun makers have to find a happy medium. BC is indepedant of all the reasons you stated. In your main post, you dscounted othe research as "nonsense". This is well understood in the scientific community as the mating call of the charlatan, looking to screw somebody. I recommend going to "Ballistics 101". Maybe you'll get a clue.
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Re: SNAKE!!!!!!

Msg. 107951  Posted by RBest on April 29, 1999 at 20:34:36:

In Reply to: Re: SNAKE!!!!!! posted by Jerry Rhodes on April 29, 1999 at 10:31:46:

Jerry: at the ripe old age of 12, I would frequently catch garter and black snakes ( black snakes get HUGE up here-- I've caught them being at least 10 feet long!)Well- I took the garter snake and wrapped it around my stomach- under my shirt- and waltzed into the house. Once inside, I got in fromt of my mom and popped open the shirt. She damn near killed me ! I never did that again! Russ
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Re: RWS 36 velocity/power???

Msg. 107950  Posted by Billy on April 29, 1999 at 20:29:33:

In Reply to: RWS 36 velocity/power??? posted by Alan on April 29, 1999 at 17:06:05:

Alan, my old 34 shoots 7.9 premiers at 927 average with a Maccari spring. Most stock ones shoot the same pellet at about 880.
Billy
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Re: Try the Weavers

Msg. 107949  Posted by JT on April 29, 1999 at 20:29:24:

In Reply to: Re: Try the Weavers posted by tito on April 29, 1999 at 19:01:01:

I have not tried the repeatability on the B&L.
However, a friend told me the Weaver V24 had just won some gun mag contest for least power shift and repeatability. The B&L also will not focus as close as they say. The V series seems to come in much closer.

JT

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Re: Attn: Newlywed airgunners

Msg. 107948  Posted by Matthew Hayes on April 29, 1999 at 20:26:13:

In Reply to: Attn: Newlywed airgunners posted by MikeZ on April 29, 1999 at 20:00:58:

More than an airgun!!! I bought one 2 years ago. It was only a 3/4 K and I paid $2500 for the diamond and let her pick out the ring. The ring cost another $1000.

GET READY TO SPEND SOME MONEY!

Good luck.

Matt
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Recently did it myself lately and.....

Msg. 107947  Posted by JT on April 29, 1999 at 20:24:24:

In Reply to: Re: Attn: Newlywed airgunners Jerry and Mike ( No ! I don't mean it that way! ) posted by Russ Best on April 29, 1999 at 20:18:58:

I always say that my airguns are way cheaper and practical than that diamond!

JT

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Steve: the things I've heard about you......

Msg. 107946  Posted by RBest on April 29, 1999 at 20:24:06:

In Reply to: Re: I hope you have only heard good about me! posted by Steve Parker on April 29, 1999 at 02:14:28:

were only from members of the opposite sex ! HA! Russ
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Everybody say "Hallelujah!"

Msg. 107945  Posted by RBest on April 29, 1999 at 20:21:27:

In Reply to: Re: The gospel on '' Air Gun Rifling Wear '' posted by Jerry Rhodes on April 29, 1999 at 11:02:32:

Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition ! RB
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Re: Attn: Newlywed airgunners Jerry and Mike ( No ! I don't mean it that way! )

Msg. 107944  Posted by Russ Best on April 29, 1999 at 20:18:58:

In Reply to: Re: Attn: Newlywed airgunners posted by Jerry Rhodes on April 29, 1999 at 20:10:19:

Jerry: LOL on that one. Mike: if she asks whether or not the Whiscombe will scratch glass, tell her " Honey, it'll do better than that- it'll BREAK glass" ! Sadly( well maybe not) I haven't bought a Diamond in 25 years, but I know this won't be cheap. Congratulations! Russ
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Re: FTS' Rise Like the Phoenix Once Again!

Msg. 107943  Posted by RBest on April 29, 1999 at 20:13:26:

In Reply to: FTS' Rise Like the Phoenix Once Again! posted by Rick Johnson on April 29, 1999 at 19:50:27:

Rick: glad to hear it. I know I e-mailed Dani about these pellets, and a big Hoo Rah ! goes out to Beeman. Regards, Russ Best
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Re: Hey Jim Bauman In case you missed the post!

Msg. 107942  Posted by jj on April 29, 1999 at 20:12:15:

In Reply to: Re: Hey Jim Bauman In case you missed the post! posted by Wolfesbane on April 29, 1999 at 16:05:03:

Is it correct to say that there are othr conditions that effect BC then, like weather? Esp. wind??? I mean more conditions than just the shape and weight of the Pellet??? Or am I missing something here??

Sorry, but I think I am getting even more confused.
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Re: Attn: Newlywed airgunners

Msg. 107941  Posted by Jerry Rhodes on April 29, 1999 at 20:10:19:

In Reply to: Attn: Newlywed airgunners posted by MikeZ on April 29, 1999 at 20:00:58:

Congratulations on finding a girl that will be able to support in the way in which you would like to get accustomed.

You might try this line,"I know that I promised you a big diamond, but practically every girl has a diamond. Wouldn't you rather have a Wiscombe? A Wiscombe is a joy forever".

Won't do any harm to try.

Jerry
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Re: I'm considering the Daystate Silhouette/profile stock for an LR90 and Harrier

Msg. 107940  Posted by H. Todd on April 29, 1999 at 20:06:58:

In Reply to: I'm considering the Daystate Silhouette/profile stock for an LR90 and Harrier posted by Tony U. on April 29, 1999 at 17:34:43:

When I sold my NJR, the person buying it brought his LR 90 with the cut-out stock along. It was awesome!

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Attn: Newlywed airgunners

Msg. 107939  Posted by MikeZ on April 29, 1999 at 20:00:58:

Hi folks!

Man, time does go by faster as you get older; well at least when everything is going well.

My 24 year old girlfriend, I'm 25.5, will be getting her Masters of Computer Science this May. I am very proud of her. I promised her a year ago that the day she get her Master is the day I will get her a diamond engagement ring.

The time is getting very near, and I haven't the slightest clue how much are diamonds. I'm want to get a ONE (1) carat nice cut. How much are we talking about here?

Are we talking about the equivalence of 6 TX200 at ($495 a piece)?

TIA

Diamond newbie,
MikeZ
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FTS' Rise Like the Phoenix Once Again!

Msg. 107938  Posted by Rick Johnson on April 29, 1999 at 19:50:27:

In Reply to: YES, I'M YELLING,,SAVE THE FTS. posted by McClure on April 29, 1999 at 19:33:31:

The president of Beeman, Bob Eck , informed me that he has personally ordered more Field Target Specials from Germany. The plan is also that they will be transferred to the Beeman line after the company's computer system is up graded sometime this summer. Thanks to all who stepped up in the Good Fight!

Rick

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FTS' Rise Like the Phoenix Once Again!

Msg. 107937  Posted by Rick Johnson on April 29, 1999 at 19:46:07:

In Reply to: YES, I'M YELLING,,SAVE THE FTS. posted by McClure on April 29, 1999 at 19:33:31:



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Re: Thumbhole Stocks - Likes and dislikes -Who's got em?

Msg. 107936  Posted by Adam on April 29, 1999 at 19:34:29:

In Reply to: Thumbhole Stocks - Likes and dislikes -Who's got em? posted by Tony U. on April 29, 1999 at 14:20:28:

I have a walnut thumbhole stock from Daystate, I enjoy it very much and is 10x easier, and comfortable to use. BUY ONE!!!!!!
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YES, I'M YELLING,,SAVE THE FTS.

Msg. 107935  Posted by McClure on April 29, 1999 at 19:33:31:

O.K. fellow airgunners we have the chance to save the FTS pellet. If you wish to save this pellet please e-mail this person, daninav@null.null, please ask to save the pellet and tell how many you shoot in a years time and what caliber. It's now or never.
daninav@null.null
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Questions about my new RWS 34

Msg. 107934  Posted by Eric M. on April 29, 1999 at 19:30:03:

I finally got my new RWS 34, problem is, between school and the weather I haven't been able to shoot much lately.
I have been able to shoot some though, and hace a couple of questions:

1.the screw where the barrel pivots has a small amount of side to side play. is this normal?

2.the two types of pellets I have shot so far,premiers and gamo matches, have chambered very differently.
the gamos would slide right in while the premiers would require a firm push, making it hard to not
push them in at an angle. Is this normal for premiers ?

3.lastly, does any body have or now where some good detailed instructions on how to use a military type
shooting sling?

Thanks for all the help,
Eric
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Re: I sent my response,have you? nt

Msg. 107933  Posted by Johnny O. on April 29, 1999 at 19:19:05:

In Reply to: I sent my response,have you? nt posted by LOU V.K. on April 29, 1999 at 18:23:41:

I sent my e-mail the morning after Russ sent out the posting. Must have been you and I!
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Re: Bamp;L Elite 3000 4-12X on a springer rifle

Msg. 107932  Posted by tito on April 29, 1999 at 19:12:48:

In Reply to: Re: Bamp;L Elite 3000 4-12X on a springer rifle posted by Jim on April 28, 1999 at 22:19:48:

Jim:
Non-focus at 10 meters will eliminate the B&L from my wish list. How about the Burris 4-12x airgun scope? Thanks again.
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Re: Mounting a scope on a BSA SS

Msg. 107931  Posted by RBest on April 29, 1999 at 19:10:30:

In Reply to: Re: Mounting a scope on a BSA SS posted by MarkH on April 29, 1999 at 08:42:54:

Mark: while they do work for whatever range you are sighted in at, they aren't the best choice. I figure you're a good 1 1/2mm off center of the bore. If you are sighted in at twenty yards, I figure you should hit left of the bull at 50 yards. Just a guess. Regards, Russ
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Re: Hey Jim Bauman In case you missed the post!

Msg. 107930  Posted by Jim Baumann on April 29, 1999 at 19:10:27:

In Reply to: Re: Hey Jim Bauman In case you missed the post! posted by Wolfesbane on April 29, 1999 at 15:07:08:


"The BC of a projectile is equal to the sectional density divided by its coefficient of form. Rifling doen not affect this." Yes of course your are right. The fact that sometimes you can drop a pellet in the barrel and it falls right through has no affect on the ballistic coefficient; or the accuracy of that pellet. And rifling never does; that's is why forensic experts can't ever tell which bullet came out of which gun. Nor have any gun makers ever design a rifle with a twist rate to slow causing accuracy, and the ballistic coefficient after only a couple of hundred yards of travel.

If twist rate does not affect the ballistic coefficient; then why should we have rifles with rifled barrels; or air gun with rifled barrels. I mean they are useless just like your math!


Jim Baumann


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Re: Try the Weavers

Msg. 107929  Posted by tito on April 29, 1999 at 19:01:01:

In Reply to: Try the Weavers posted by JT on April 29, 1999 at 07:45:50:

JT:

Thank your for your post.I have not seen the new Weavers in person but had the Model K's and still own a model T scopes made in El Paso Texas--they are very long scopes.

I had seen the B&L Elite 3000 and they don't seem to be as long as the old Weavers, although I did not measure them. Have you ever tested your B&L Elite 3000 for repeatability in windage and elevation adjustments? I may use the scope for silhoutte shooting someday.
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Re: BSA

Msg. 107928  Posted by RBest on April 29, 1999 at 18:57:00:

In Reply to: Re: BSA posted by Eric Field on April 29, 1999 at 13:34:58:

Eric: I would go with the Superport for now. The Silverstars are not yet on our shores. The Silverstar is also ome pound heavier. Regards, Russ
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Re: Which should i choose

Msg. 107927  Posted by RBest on April 29, 1999 at 18:50:47:

In Reply to: Which should i choose posted by Stevie on April 29, 1999 at 17:18:22:

The Superstar-- it's less expensive and is the same gun except for the 10 shot repeater capability. Very accurate and easy to shoot. Very reliable too. Regards, Russ
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Re: Where can I Get guns in Southern California?

Msg. 107926  Posted by RBest on April 29, 1999 at 18:48:50:

In Reply to: Re: Where can I Get guns in Southern California? posted by DSmit on April 29, 1999 at 18:46:12:

Airgun resources box on this forums homepage. RB
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Re: UMAREX

Msg. 107925  Posted by trevor on April 29, 1999 at 18:48:00:

In Reply to: Re: UMAREX posted by Dani on April 29, 1999 at 12:20:38:

Thank you Dani.
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hakko and tacso at least---- there are probably even more NT

Msg. 107924  Posted by RBest on April 29, 1999 at 18:46:36:

In Reply to: Any other company making 1 posted by Huck on April 29, 1999 at 17:19:00:

nt
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Re: Where can I Get guns in Southern California?

Msg. 107923  Posted by DSmit on April 29, 1999 at 18:46:12:

In Reply to: Where can I Get guns in Southern California? posted by David on April 29, 1999 at 18:15:34:

David:
I'm a beginner at this as well, but here's a few
observations;

First, most big chains (Big 5, Sportmart, Sports
Authority) will carry some quality air rifles in
their gun racks - but, don't expect much help from
the people behind the counter 'cause they
typically won't know much.

As far as specialty stores (ones that have people
that know what's what with airguns) you've got
Mac-1 in Gardena, Air-Venture Airguns in
Bellflower, and Beeman in Huntington Beach among
others. The first two are retailers, and Beeman is
a distributor of some very fine airguns. I'm not
sure if you can purchase "over the counter" from
Beeman - when I visited their site it turned out
to be a small warehouse with an office attached at
one end - but they do sell stuff mail-order.

In answer to your other questions:

1) Yes, air guns can pierce skin (with the pellets
at least - it'd take quite a shove to get the
barrel through!) and should be treated with the
level of respect that you would give a firearm.

2) IMHO, Daisy tends to be so-so in quality. Some
of their products are pretty good, most tend to be
less than impressive. Like with anything else, you
tend to get what you pay for, and Daisy products
tend to be pretty inexpensive. 'Nuff said.

Incidentally, there are some links on another part
of this site the you may find of interest - try
going to the home page and click on "Airgun Links"
(or something like that.)


HTH,


DSmit
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It's believable

Msg. 107922  Posted by MikeZ on April 29, 1999 at 18:43:41:

In Reply to: The gospel on '' Air Gun Rifling Wear '' posted by vZc on April 29, 1999 at 08:42:39:

Can I summarize the quote as "The Normal Wear and Tear theory also applies to airgun barrels."?

I will buy that quote.

BUT, Life is too short to worry about atoms being rubbed away with each pass of a pellet.

MikeZ
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Re: Yes: 1000 fps lead friction vs -0/+.000040 polished pin @ finger tip pressure...

Msg. 107921  Posted by LOU V.K. on April 29, 1999 at 18:35:12:

In Reply to: Yes: 1000 fps lead friction vs -0/+.000040 polished pin @ finger tip pressure... posted by vZc on April 28, 1999 at 19:21:17:


You state,"LD's spirit lives on".Do you consider this something to brag about?
Are you trying to emulate him with your argument provoking comments,and, confrontational attitude? If so,shame!
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Re: RWS 36 velocity/power???

Msg. 107920  Posted by Wade on April 29, 1999 at 18:31:55:

In Reply to: RWS 36 velocity/power??? posted by Alan on April 29, 1999 at 17:06:05:

hey alan, i have a question in our earlier thread.
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Re: Field Targets, Please

Msg. 107919  Posted by jimk on April 29, 1999 at 18:27:17:

In Reply to: Field Targets, Please posted by andye on April 29, 1999 at 16:50:22:

Go here
http://www.airguns.null/aafta/aafta.html

Excellent site and has a section (with pictures) on how make your own. I've made quite a few and they work great. Your imagination is the only thing holding you back after you go here.

good luck and have fun.
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I sent my response,have you? nt

Msg. 107918  Posted by LOU V.K. on April 29, 1999 at 18:23:41:

In Reply to: Re: Any word on the FTS, did we save it or not???NT posted by Dani on April 29, 1999 at 17:24:57:


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Re: Healthway Plainsman Pistol

Msg. 107917  Posted by Jeff guinan on April 29, 1999 at 18:18:17:

In Reply to: Healthway Plainsman Pistol posted by Stafford Orong on April 29, 1999 at 15:56:17:

Have seen boxed, mint examples go for close to $100, if the gun's seals still hold.

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Where can I Get guns in Southern California?

Msg. 107916  Posted by David on April 29, 1999 at 18:15:34:

I am new at this and I live in Southern CA near Huntington Beach and Westminster. I was wondering where I could get some quality air guns. I have some other quastions too.

1: Can air guns pierce skin?

2: Are Daisy guns good? They sound like a good Company. Its website is below.

I didnt see too many of you guys have Daisy guns so I was just wondering if they are any good.

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recently overhauled 36 -.177 # 643963 is 8 yr old ; sent back to RWS 3x for repairs with the last year...

Msg. 107915  Posted by vZc on April 29, 1999 at 18:02:25:

In Reply to: SilverBears 7.1 gr -/+ 0.1 @ 982 fps nt. posted by Alan on April 29, 1999 at 17:27:49:

... brother-in-law occaisionally dieseled it for 8 yrs before spring broke.

Tim C. has declined to fix the loose cocking link.
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Re: Didn't mean to offend anyone...

Msg. 107914  Posted by DSmit on April 29, 1999 at 17:45:31:

In Reply to: Re: Didn't mean to offend anyone... posted by TM on April 28, 1999 at 22:55:12:

My apologies, TM - I tend to lecture at the drop
of a hat. What I was attempting to do was give one
and all the benefit of my past experience. Heck, I
didn't even notice the question had already been
answered until after I'd posted. My fault.


DSmit
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I'm considering the Daystate Silhouette/profile stock for an LR90 and Harrier

Msg. 107913  Posted by Tony U. on April 29, 1999 at 17:34:43:

In Reply to: Re: Thumbhole Stocks - Likes and dislikes -Who's got em? posted by H. Todd on April 29, 1999 at 15:35:02:

I've been drooling over these ever since I saw the British ad in U.S. AIRGUN magazine. Then an article showed up........and there it was - A Silhouette Skeletonized stocked LR90 complete with VORTEK Accuracy Tamer. I REALLY like LIGHT hunting/plinking rigs.

I'm also still trying to get more input on the Daystate Speedloader. Not much input out there. I did get one from Sligh.....pellets fed flawlessly. Hawley...do you like any of these skeletonized stocks?

By the way, I too want to add my appreciation for you, your experience, good totally honest input, willingness to give of your time and expertise..........along with Russ Best, Steve Parker and a few others. Thanks,
Tony

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Re: Healthway Plainsman Pistol

Msg. 107912  Posted by Alan on April 29, 1999 at 17:29:40:

In Reply to: Healthway Plainsman Pistol posted by Stafford Orong on April 29, 1999 at 15:56:17:

How did you 'find' these? Sounds like a good find. Alan
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SilverBears 7.1 gr -/+ 0.1 @ 982 fps nt.

Msg. 107911  Posted by Alan on April 29, 1999 at 17:27:49:

In Reply to: RWS 36 velocity/power : SilverBears 7.1 gr -/+ 0.1 @ 982 fps nt. posted by vZc on April 29, 1999 at 17:17:34:

Has your gun acheived this velocity for lots of shooting or is it a brand new spring? Your velocity makes me feel a little better, my gun went back to RWS today. I am having a 22 barrel installed as well as a gereral checkup. Mine was getting 600 fps in .177 but was probably a European version. Thanks, Alan
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Re: Any word on the FTS, did we save it or not???NT

Msg. 107910  Posted by Dani on April 29, 1999 at 17:24:57:

In Reply to: Any word on the FTS, did we save it or not???NT posted by McClure on April 29, 1999 at 15:06:05:

Thanks for asking, there is still no word yet because I only received 2 responses to the survey I put out on straight shooters forum. I will ask again here on AGL. I need some information from the users as to how many FTS pellets are consumed each year and which calibers before I can convince the "powers that be" that we should keep the FTS pellets. Anyone interested in saving this pellet please e-mail me at daninav@null.null with the approximate quantities and calibers you would use in a years time. I want to try to save this great pellet for everyone. Thanks for your help.
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I 'll protect me sources until they see fit to disclose. nt.

Msg. 107909  Posted by vZc on April 29, 1999 at 17:19:22:

In Reply to: Re: non disclosure of source: ''chuck in the bin '' as you see fit... posted by Wade on April 29, 1999 at 17:11:14:

.
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Any other company making 1" adjustable one-piece mount ?

Msg. 107907  Posted by Huck on April 29, 1999 at 17:19:00:

Hi,does anybody know of any other company that makes
an adjustable one-piece 1" mount besides RWS or
B-Square? Thanks, Huck
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Which should i choose

Msg. 107906  Posted by Stevie on April 29, 1999 at 17:18:22:

A BSA Superstar or a BSA Goldstar .177
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RWS 36 velocity/power : SilverBears 7.1 gr -/+ 0.1 @ 982 fps nt.

Msg. 107905  Posted by vZc on April 29, 1999 at 17:17:34:

In Reply to: RWS 36 velocity/power??? posted by Alan on April 29, 1999 at 17:06:05:

.
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Re: Retailers near Washington, DC

Msg. 107904  Posted by tito on April 29, 1999 at 17:15:22:

In Reply to: Retailers near Washington, DC posted by Jamie on April 29, 1999 at 13:28:01:

Galyans has the R9, I saw it on the rack but did not ask how much. tito
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Good stuff .nt.

Msg. 107903  Posted by vZc on April 29, 1999 at 17:15:04:

In Reply to: More Shim Info on the Shooting Sports Cheap Scope Page posted by John Piper on April 29, 1999 at 13:01:32:

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Re: Beginner needs Advice - Part 2

Msg. 107902  Posted by Alan on April 29, 1999 at 17:13:24:

In Reply to: Beginner needs Advice - Part 2 posted by Eric Field on April 29, 1999 at 10:32:20:

Had a .20 cal. RX-1 and was well pleased with it in all aspects(power, accuracy, looks, recoil)except one-it is a heavy gun. I must say as I have said before, the R9 is powerful and much lighter, and mine was a little more accurate than the RX-1. Alan
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Re: Beginner needs Advice - Part 2

Msg. 107901  Posted by Alan on April 29, 1999 at 17:13:06:

In Reply to: Beginner needs Advice - Part 2 posted by Eric Field on April 29, 1999 at 10:32:20:

Had a .20 cal. RX-1 and was well pleased with it in all aspects(power, accuracy, looks, recoil)except one-it is a heavy gun. I must say as I have said before, the R9 is powerful and much lighter, and mine was a little more accurate than the RX-1. Alan
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Re: non disclosure of source: ''chuck in the bin '' as you see fit...

Msg. 107900  Posted by Wade on April 29, 1999 at 17:11:14:

In Reply to: non disclosure of source: ''chuck in the bin '' as you see fit... posted by vZc on April 29, 1999 at 16:33:16:

Schizophrenia comes to mind. One minute you want
(or want to) act professional, and the next you
want to be just one of the boys!!! Can't play
both sides and be respected. Wade
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RWS 36 velocity/power???

Msg. 107899  Posted by Alan on April 29, 1999 at 17:06:05:

Looked back in an Airgun Letter to read a RWS tune article on the 34 which is same powerplant as 36. Tom Gaylord did not seem to be able to get anywhere near the advertised velocity in this gun even with a tuneup. What chronograph readings has anyone got (177 or 22)? Opinions? Thanks, Alan.
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Redundant post: Edith , you can delete this one post in error.

Msg. 107898  Posted by vZc on April 29, 1999 at 16:59:54:

In Reply to: Re: The gospel on '' Air Gun Rifling Wear '' - source? = non disclosure. posted by vZc on April 29, 1999 at 15:20:17:

.
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Re: Thumbhole Stocks - Likes and dislikes -Who's got em?

Msg. 107897  Posted by andye on April 29, 1999 at 16:52:49:

In Reply to: Thumbhole Stocks - Likes and dislikes -Who's got em? posted by Tony U. on April 29, 1999 at 14:20:28:

Are there custom stocks for the Career 707 rifle?

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Field Targets, Please

Msg. 107896  Posted by andye on April 29, 1999 at 16:50:22:

Could you all please supply me with some field target projects, and pictures that i could print.

Thanks andye
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non disclosure of source: ''chuck in the bin '' as you see fit...

Msg. 107895  Posted by vZc on April 29, 1999 at 16:33:16:

In Reply to: Re: The gospel on '' Air Gun Rifling Wear '' - source? = non disclosure. posted by LOU V.K. on April 29, 1999 at 16:12:06:

... because I label it as " gospel " does'nt make so.
I recollect at least 4 different biblical gospel authors; I think the Catholic Church clean house of bogus writers @ the Council of Trent way back.

Historically I cut & pasted from the English Lothar-Walther site about some aspect of barrel manufacturing and it generated lots of different opinions.

This is a moderated air gun forum, not a professional journal.
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Re: The gospel on '' Air Gun Rifling Wear '' - source? = non disclosure.

Msg. 107894  Posted by LOU V.K. on April 29, 1999 at 16:12:06:

In Reply to: Re: The gospel on '' Air Gun Rifling Wear '' - source? = non disclosure. posted by vZc on April 29, 1999 at 15:20:20:


On the subject of quotation sources,those with concealed bibliography are considered by most to be spurious. At best,they are discounted as being of dubious value,or,credibility. In a technical treatise,such as you posted,only those 'facts' which can,and,are backed by the reputation of the origin will be considered by most for consideration. The balance will be 'chucked in the bin'.
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Re: Hey Jim Bauman In case you missed the post!

Msg. 107893  Posted by Wolfesbane on April 29, 1999 at 16:05:03:

In Reply to: Re: Hey Jim Bauman In case you missed the post! posted by jj on April 29, 1999 at 15:36:05:


SOooo.... many other variables. Wind direction, wind velocity are always changing. Look at the scores in BRV to see how "conditions" change from shot to shot.
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Re: Career -vs- Saver...Trying to decide which one.

Msg. 107892  Posted by Z-man on April 29, 1999 at 15:58:00:

In Reply to: Career -vs- Saver...Trying to decide which one. posted by TM on April 28, 1999 at 23:03:13:

If you think you would like to enter the world of PCP rifles then what I have to say regarding which is best isn't going to be worth a "hill of beans" to you. You need to start gathering information from people that see/work on/modify/use these guns everyday....Tim McMurray at Mac 1, John Burroughs, Anthony Storey, Alan Zasadny, Bob Krug, etc... All of these gentlemen will be able to give you an honest opinion of the performance and reliability of each model you may be interested in. Don't forget that you need a lot of accessories to compliment your new toy...scuba tank, fill hose, hand pump, chronograph, etc... I'm sure you are already aware of the requirements, but keep these base items in mind because eventually you may also want to get a moderator, regulator, fancy scope...etc.. This brings the cost of your new toy up to well over a thousand dollars. I own 2 Careers, one .22 rifle and one .177 carbine. I purchased both used and have had no problems for over 2 years of hard use. I can tell you that the Career 707 is a fine gun, both accurate and versatile. I have no experience with the Saver line of products. You may also want to try to contact Dave's Airgun Service, he carries the Saver rifles. I think whichever one you decide to get won't be your last, so you should just try to do your best by making a well educated decision. Sorry I don't have the phone numbers handy of the above mentioned people, but with a little investigation I'm sure you'll be able to find most numbers here on this forum. Another idea would be to call Edith and order all the back issues of the Airgunletter that have any info on the Career or Saver. That will give you some good bathroom reading material. It helped me decide. Good luck and happy blasting to ya.
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Re: Thumbhole Stocks - Likes and dislikes -Who's got em?

Msg. 107891  Posted by Wade on April 29, 1999 at 15:57:42:

In Reply to: Re: Thumbhole Stocks - Likes and dislikes -Who's got em? posted by Alain on April 29, 1999 at 15:15:01:

I have some more poop for you in our other thread.
Wade
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Healthway Plainsman Pistol

Msg. 107890  Posted by Stafford Orong on April 29, 1999 at 15:56:17:

I have just come across some old BB guns that are still in their original package with CO2 cartridge and BB's. They were made by a company called Healthway. They are made from cast iron and they kinda look like a german luger pistol. The company called them "Plainsman Pistol" cat. no. 9401 Plainsman .175 The booklet that accompanies them is dated 9-1-57.

If anyone has any info or any idea of its collectors value if any please contact me at the above email address.
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Re: Shooting up and down, how to correct?

Msg. 107889  Posted by Wade on April 29, 1999 at 15:53:52:

In Reply to: Re: Shooting up and down, how to correct? posted by Alan on April 28, 1999 at 18:03:26:

Explain to me the rising of the pellet again. I
want to be sure I understand your point - also,
when does the gravitational pull begin??? Wade
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Crow Magnum is made for Beeman by Theoben in England (NT)

Msg. 107888  Posted by The Airgun Letter on April 29, 1999 at 15:48:28:

In Reply to: crow mag. maker posted by pete on April 29, 1999 at 15:41:27:

Edith Gaylord
The Airgun Letter
staff@null.null
http://www.airgunletter.null
http://www.airgunletter.com

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Re: hold sensitivity?

Msg. 107887  Posted by The Airgun Letter on April 29, 1999 at 15:45:29:

In Reply to: hold sensativity? posted by joe on April 29, 1999 at 15:32:14:

The issue is with spring guns - regardless if they're break barrel, undelever or sidelever.

Here's a previous posting on the subject:

The artillery hold was originally written up as such by Tom (my husband) in his book, "The Beeman R1 Supermagnum Air Rifle." The book has photos of slightly varying holds that work for shooters of various sizes and shapes. The hold was also described in the April 1998 issue's article about the Beeman R9 rifle. Here's the quote from that article:

"The rifle lays on the flat of my open palm, just forward of the triggerguard, which makes it feel muzzle heavy. With my other hand, I lightly caress the pistol grip, and the buttpad barely touches my shoulder. I want the rifle to move AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE in recoil. Only then am I certain that the pellet leaves the barrel at the same point every time in the vibration/recoil cycle."

Some spring air rifles are not as sensitive to hold. I've seen people shoot the FWB 124 and the TX 200 using any old hold or varying holds, without much change in the gun's accuracy. Tom says that he finds it easier to shoot all his airguns with the artillery hold so that he will automatically have the correct hold and not have to think about whether or not he's holding a spring gun. And that's how he's taught me shoot, too. I use a slight variation in my stance because Tom and I are shaped differently.

Field target shooters have been using this hold when they discovered that it gave them greater accuracy. Tom just gave it a catchy name and put it down on paper.

I've described the artillery hold to so many people over the phone, I could do it in my sleep. The funny part is that many airgunners just can't believe that a gun could be so sensitive that it could shoot differently depending on how it's held. And initially, the person calling just doesn't want to hear that he's the one that needs to change and not the gun. However, I always ask the person to humor me and go shoot the gun while consciously using the artillery hold for 5-10 shots. The end result is almost always that I either get an excited return phone call or a fax of their target that shows the GUN is finally accurate! Of course, the gun was always accurate; it was the shooter who wasn't doing his job. If you've got a spring gun that doesn't seem to be shooting accurately consistently, I would strongly encourage you to employ the artillery hold and see if that doesn't improve things.

Everyone has to find the best way for themselves to assume a repeatable hold that will work time and again. I can't use the same stance as my husband, and he can't use the same as me. But we've each worked out something that works repeatably.

Edith Gaylord
The Airgun Letter
staff@null.null
http://www.airgunletter.null
http://www.airgunletter.com

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crow mag. maker

Msg. 107886  Posted by pete on April 29, 1999 at 15:41:27:

does anyone know who makers the crow mag. for beaman? do you think they worth the money as a hunting rifle?
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Re: BSA

Msg. 107885  Posted by AL sattler on April 29, 1999 at 15:40:25:

In Reply to: Re: BSA posted by Wade on April 29, 1999 at 11:12:11:


You will not regret the $100 extra . bought one used in 177 and use it for removal of our woodland pets that want to move in and set up living quarters.
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Re: Hey Jim Bauman In case you missed the post!

Msg. 107884  Posted by jj on April 29, 1999 at 15:36:05:

In Reply to: Re: Hey Jim Bauman In case you missed the post! posted by Wolfesbane on April 29, 1999 at 15:07:08:

confused, does this mean that all I have to do is weigh my pellets and; if the weight is the same,
all shots should hit at EXACTLY the same spot?

I tried to measure the velocity at the muzzle and at fifty yards with weighed cp 10.5 pellets, what I found that even when the muzzle velocity was the same, the velocity downrange still varied.
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Re: Thumbhole Stocks - Likes and dislikes -Who's got em?

Msg. 107883  Posted by H. Todd on April 29, 1999 at 15:35:02:

In Reply to: Thumbhole Stocks - Likes and dislikes -Who's got em? posted by Tony U. on April 29, 1999 at 14:20:28:

Tony,
Whenever possible, I buy rifles with thumbhole stocks. That is for all varieties of power plants, from air to powder. I love them. Some people are not so keen on them. I like the looks. I also use the thumbhole in carrying them. I have resisted buying rifles simply because they don't have thumbhole stocks any number of times. Of course when talking about stocks, I also like adjustable cheek pieces and adjustable butt plates. Currently I have them on Whiscombe, Stalker, Daystate, Air Arms, Anschutz, Theoben, and some custom rifles. I have had them on any no. of other rifles that I regret trading such as Venom and FWB.

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hold sensativity?

Msg. 107882  Posted by joe on April 29, 1999 at 15:32:14:

what's hte issue with break barrel gun and how it is held?
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Re: SNAKE!!!!!!

Msg. 107881  Posted by The Airgun Letter on April 29, 1999 at 15:32:07:

In Reply to: SNAKE!!!!!! posted by Charles Guatney on April 29, 1999 at 14:27:59:

You wrote:
Friend Wife and mother, however, never liked having snakes around
=================
I like her already!

Edith Gaylord
The Airgun Letter
staff@null.null
http://www.airgunletter.null
http://www.airgunletter.com

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they are my preferred style - nt

Msg. 107880  Posted by H. Todd on April 29, 1999 at 15:22:20:

In Reply to: Thumbhole Stocks - Likes and dislikes -Who's got em? posted by Tony U. on April 29, 1999 at 14:20:28:



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Re: The gospel on '' Air Gun Rifling Wear '' - source? = non disclosure.

Msg. 107879  Posted by vZc on April 29, 1999 at 15:20:20:

In Reply to: Re: The gospel on '' Air Gun Rifling Wear '' - source? posted by The Airgun Letter on April 29, 1999 at 13:00:46:

when you see quotes it's from somebody else.

Good reporters keep sources confidential as required.
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Re: The gospel on '' Air Gun Rifling Wear '' - source? = non disclosure.

Msg. 107878  Posted by vZc on April 29, 1999 at 15:20:17:

In Reply to: Re: The gospel on '' Air Gun Rifling Wear '' - source? posted by The Airgun Letter on April 29, 1999 at 13:00:46:

when you see quotes it's from somebody else.

Good reporters keep sources confidential as required.
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The value of friends and integrity: thank you!!!!!

Msg. 107877  Posted by Hawley Todd on April 29, 1999 at 15:19:47:

Last evening, I was brought up short be someone asking about myself and another individual on this forum. I was overwhelmed with the positive support that I received as to my character and sense of moral integrity. Rarely do we receive that kind of support this side of the grave. I have heard great things at funerals but too often in life we don't express those things to the person when he can hear them. All I can say is that I am honored and blessed to be a member of this community. Thank you one and all. What was said about myself applies to so many of you. Again, thank you and God's blessings to you all!!!!!!!!!
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Re: Thumbhole Stocks - Likes and dislikes -Who's got em?

Msg. 107876  Posted by Alain on April 29, 1999 at 15:15:01:

In Reply to: Thumbhole Stocks - Likes and dislikes -Who's got em? posted by Tony U. on April 29, 1999 at 14:20:28:

I purchased a rough walnut thumbhole stock from Jim M. last year and, while not complete, feels real nice. I purchased it unfinished to modify it to my hands. I have very large hands and after some carving have a stock that is custom fit for me.
Alain
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Re: Hey Jim Bauman In case you missed the post!

Msg. 107875  Posted by Wolfesbane on April 29, 1999 at 15:07:08:

In Reply to: Re: Hey Jim Bauman In case you missed the post! posted by Jim Baumann on April 29, 1999 at 09:40:57:


I guess anybody can call themselves a ballistician, andwrite ballistic software. Even someone who obviously hasn't a clue about ballistic coefficients. The BC of a projectile is equal to the sectional density divided by its coefficient of form. Rifling doen not affect this.
Dirty barrels don't affect this. Nor do any of the other things stated by you, except varriations in weight(hence sectional density). The knowledgeable shooters won't be sucked in by your drivel, but it's a pity that the less so will be. But thats how you make your money, right?
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Any word on the FTS, did we save it or not???NT

Msg. 107874  Posted by McClure on April 29, 1999 at 15:06:05:

NT
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Re: What do you do when...

Msg. 107873  Posted by Jim C. on April 29, 1999 at 14:59:33:

In Reply to: What do you do when... posted by David on April 28, 1999 at 18:42:13:

Hawks, Buzzards, Coyotes, Maggots,
hey, they all gotta eat something. Allthough I don't think ANYTHING eats Starlings.
Jim C.

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Dove/Pigeon Hunting in Mexico

Msg. 107872  Posted by Jim Dostine on April 29, 1999 at 14:54:32:

I've heard that dove hunting in Mexico is some of the fastest wing
shooting a shotgunnner could hope for. It is quite common to shoot
a case of shells in the morning, and another case in the afternoon.
My thought is this,...modify the hunt in a manner that supports airgun
shooting. Has anyone ever considered this, or actually engaged in such
an event? Thanks for the feedback...
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Re: The gospel on '' Air Gun Rifling Wear ''

Msg. 107871  Posted by Jwinn on April 29, 1999 at 14:46:23:

In Reply to: Re: The gospel on '' Air Gun Rifling Wear '' posted by Wade on April 29, 1999 at 10:47:57:

An airgun barrel should pretty much last forever.
HEAT KILLS BARRELS, not soft lead. If you shoot a 220 swift at 4000 fps, expect about
1200 rounds before your throat is toast. If
you shoot cast lead bullets in a rifle with
small charges of powder, you can go 15,000
rounds or more. Same thing with pistols, less heat=less wear. The relative hardnesses
of lead vs even the softest barrel steels
should give you a clue. When I hear some nimrod advise a shooter not to shoot jacketed
bullets in a Trapdoor Springfield or 1873
Winchester, I feel like rubbing their soft noses
over a wooden table and asking them how
long before the table wears out? Eley has Winchester 52 TEST barrels they still use
that have hundreds of thousands of 22 rounds
through them and they're still going strong
for purposes of grading whether the batch of ammo they just cooked up is gonna go in 10-X (Tenex) boxes or something cheaper. Several
world record holders have used Anschutz/22s
that had a gazillion rounds through them as well.
Don't "clean" em, and don't rod em.


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Tau-7 in .22 WANTED

Msg. 107870  Posted by John M on April 29, 1999 at 14:42:11:

Epistols ($306.50, incl. S+H/Ins.)is out of the .22, and I do not want to pay $340 at airgun exchange. Can you help?

Thanks.

John
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SNAKE!!!!!!

Msg. 107869  Posted by Charles Guatney on April 29, 1999 at 14:27:59:

In Reply to: Re: SNAKE!!!!!! posted by Jerry Rhodes on April 29, 1999 at 10:31:46:

Snake memories, indeed, Jerry.

My daughter, now working for the Alaska Fish and Game Department, and I were inseparable while she was growing up. We were together all of the time. We were outdoors whenever possible, camping, hunting, fishing, shooting at targets, reloading--and we spent time chasing, but not hurting, snakes, the western rattlesnake especially. She and I really liked snakes and knew full well good snakes could give a bad infection and exercised due caution when capturing the slithery creatures for a short tour in our large fish tank, after which they were released, unharmed. We had nary a problem over the years.

Friend Wife and mother, however, never liked having snakes around. She did not share our enthusiasm for the outdoors or the many exotic creatures we were always observing--certainly not snakes, creatures from the black lagoon as far as she was concerned.

One day in August, daughter and I had captured two fine rattlesnakes for observation. After returning home, daughter took them out of the cage with a snake stick and was looking at both snakes coiled on the closely clipped lawn, watching their reactions. �Do you think mom would like to see these big bruisers, pops�?

�You better tell her what we have and ask her permission before you bring her out here�.

�OK, pops.�

As any typical youngster would, she yelled through an open window. �Hey, mom, I�ve got two snakes. You want to see them�?

�Oh, yes, dear, that sounds nice. Bring them in the living room where I reading�.

So, being the observant daughter, she walks into the living room holding a large rattlesnake in each hand--and mom, without moving any muscle other than those found in the posterior, shot across the sofa, rolled over the end, hit the floor crawling faster than a healthy runner could make the mile. Mom was frantic, needless to say. To describe the resulting �family discussion� would only bring on censorship.

It emerged that there was a misunderstanding between mom and daughter. What was the misunderstanding? August was daughter�s birthday and mom thought she had said, �Hey, mom, I�ve got cakes. You want to see them�?

Friend Wife established several ground rules after the incident, too.
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Thumbhole Stocks - Likes and dislikes -Who's got em?

Msg. 107868  Posted by Tony U. on April 29, 1999 at 14:20:28:

I've never had one. Who's got them on what? Input?
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Re: Beginner needs Advice

Msg. 107867  Posted by wved on April 29, 1999 at 14:06:21:

In Reply to: Beginner needs Advice posted by Eric Field on April 28, 1999 at 17:00:18:

Hi Eric! IMHO, start with a stock .177 R9 (about $260)and a box of CP 6.9s (about 13$) then shoot the entire box of CPs with factory sights. This will break the gun in and you'll get used to it. Next, save your nickles & dimes for a Trophy scope (I use the 4x12x40mm) and mounts (I have Beeman 2 piece the high mounts). The stock R9 shoots very nice but later you can drop in a JM Softspring kit for that vibrationless thunk sound when ya pull the excellent Rekord trigger. Last year I bought a R10 (R9, same internals) with a 4x12 Trophy scope and this combo is accurate and powerful enough for squirrels. The R9 is VERY upgradeable with after market springs, seals, stocks etc. and can be used as a combination plinking/hunting/entry level FT gun. wved
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Re: GSI PWR kit for RWS

Msg. 107866  Posted by Johnny O. on April 29, 1999 at 14:01:48:

In Reply to: GSI PWR kit for RWS posted by CJ on April 29, 1999 at 13:21:01:

Recently had one put in my .22 mod 48. Totally took away the twang of the spring as well as the vibration that goes with it. Seems to have less felt recoil too. I like mine.
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Re: Retailers near Washington, DC - Try Atlantic Guns in Silver Spring

Msg. 107865  Posted by The Airgun Letter on April 29, 1999 at 13:59:16:

In Reply to: Retailers near Washington, DC posted by Jamie on April 29, 1999 at 13:28:01:

The only walk-in store in the DC area that I am aware of that carries a wide selection of precision adult airguns is Atlantic Guns in Silver Spring, Maryland. You can find their address, hours and phone number at http://www.atlanticguns.com

They carry, Beeman, RWS and Career 707 guns. They have a nice selection of various models, as well as a good supply of pellets, accessories and scopes.

Edith Gaylord
The Airgun Letter
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http://www.airgunletter.null
http://www.airgunletter.com

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Re: No Apology Required Pete

Msg. 107864  Posted by Jim Baumann on April 29, 1999 at 13:51:05:

In Reply to: Re: BC measurements of popular pellets should be a continuous processAn Apology to Jim B! posted by peteR on April 29, 1999 at 12:17:16:

Hi Pete:

I do tend to get a bit defensive, to say the least; and let me offer my apologies if I mis-read your post, or if I sounded like a jerk. It won't be the first time I have done so, and I am sure that it won't be the last.

I have no problem sharing information with others; as I talk a guy here out of buying my program, if you can believe that? But, he really had no need; so, I e-mailed him some trajectory tables for his one rifle.

Not to worry; as I am only trying to protect my product, and I tend to do so with all that I can.
If it means that I have to get real mean; I will do it; but, I don't like myself much when I do, and I don't sleep to well myself.

Jim

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Re: Retailers near Washington, DC

Msg. 107863  Posted by rk on April 29, 1999 at 13:45:03:

In Reply to: Retailers near Washington, DC posted by Jamie on April 29, 1999 at 13:28:01:

Hey Jamie,

There's a few places around that have some stuff, but not a lot of high-end options.

Sports Authority (at least the one in Tyson's Corner) has mostly Crosman, Daisy, Benjamin Sheridan, Gamo, and sometimes a rare Beeman (R9, I think I saw once, may still be there). Prices aren't bad.

There's the Walmart/Kmart option- again pretty much Crosman and Daisy.

There's a new Galyan's out Route 66 in Fairfax that has a fair selection of Crosman, Ben/Sher, Gamo. They actually have the Crosman C40- very nice.

As far as scopes are concerned- if you're looking for spring-gun specific, then you'll have to go mail-order, as I haven't found any stores that carry these type of scopes, unless of course you go the Leupold route.

There's tons of pawn shops in this area, although they are probably more interested in firearms.

You could probably contact Jim Maccari, he's not too far from DC in MD.

Hope you find something, I stay mostly in the Northern VA are, so someone else may know more about MD options.

rk

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Re: NASA needs airgunners..woodpecker probs

Msg. 107862  Posted by The Airgun Letter on April 29, 1999 at 13:37:00:

In Reply to: NASA needs airgunners..woodpecker probs posted by M Boyle on April 28, 1999 at 23:27:41:

About 2 years ago, I was told by an airgun dealer that Nasa was interested in buying several Career 707s for dispatching woodpeckers that were damaging the space shuttles.

While woodpeckers are generally beneficial birds, I don't let them peck on the side of my house, either - which has vinyl siding. They MAY hear something in the walls, but I suspect it's just the emanations from 2 computers, 2 scanners, 5 hard drives and a laser printer hooked up to the wall on which he's pecking! And, so, woodpeckers may also detect some noise inside the body of the shuttles that seems to them, for all intents and purposes, to be the noise of bugs (food). Modern technology can fool critters.

Edith Gaylord
The Airgun Letter
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http://www.airgunletter.null
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Re: BSA

Msg. 107861  Posted by Eric Field on April 29, 1999 at 13:34:58:

In Reply to: Re: BSA posted by Wade on April 29, 1999 at 11:12:11:

Thanks for the advice. One more thing - what do you think of the Silverstar ? It seems to have a much nicer stock, and it is an underlever - would those two factors be worth the extra $100 for my first air rifle?
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Re: BSA

Msg. 107860  Posted by Eric Field on April 29, 1999 at 13:34:16:

In Reply to: Re: BSA posted by Jerry Rhodes on April 29, 1999 at 11:34:49:

Thanks for the advice. One more thing - what do you think of the Silverstar ? It seems to have a much nicer stock, and it is an underlever - would those two factors be worth the extra $100 for my first air rifle?
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Retailers near Washington, DC

Msg. 107859  Posted by Jamie on April 29, 1999 at 13:28:01:

I have developed quite an interest, and learned
alot about airgunning on the web, and would like
to check out some stores in person. Are there
any in the Washington, DC area? Thanks.
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GSI PWR kit for RWS

Msg. 107858  Posted by CJ on April 29, 1999 at 13:21:01:

Does anybody have this kit and whats your thoughts on it.

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Re: .22 what is the best for the price/performance

Msg. 107857  Posted by The Airgun Letter on April 29, 1999 at 13:19:49:

In Reply to: .22 what is the best for the price/performance posted by Jake on April 29, 1999 at 02:48:28:

You wouldn't need to get a gun that shoots 1000 fps to kill the critters you mentioned. If you want a break barrel gun, then you might try a Beeman R1 in .22. While it won't shoot at the velocity you indicated, it will most certainly take the critters you mentioned. And quite handily, too!

Since you're not going to put more than 350 shots through it each year, you might try breaking it in first with 1,000 shots. Spring guns frequently need to be broken in. About 1,000 shots is enough for most of them and is sufficient for the Beeman R1.

If you can wait to buy your gun and don't need it immediately, you could find a used one at a good price. And the one you buy used might even be broken in already and even have an aftermarket tune already installed. The gun will, however, shoot just fine as it comes from the factory. Tuning it reduces some of the spring twang and may even reduce the recoil somewhat. It comes with a great trigger, although a little lube will make it even nicer - plus there is an adjustment screw to fine-tune the trigger to your personal style/liking.

The R1 has a good standing among airgunners and is a very popular gun. It's made by Weihrauch in Germany and is imported by Beeman in California. You can find a list of retailers (some offer heavy discounts), modifiers and tuners on our Airgun Resources Web page. If you find that you're interested in knowing more about the Beeman R1, you might also be interested in the "Beeman R1 Supermagnum Air Rifle" book by Tom Gaylord (he's my husband). The book gives you lots of ways to tune your own gun, tips on shooting more accurately (some spring guns, including the R1, are sensitive to how they're held) and exploded views/diagrams/graphics to better understand the mechanics of your gun even if you aren't interested in working on it.

The link below will take you to our home page, where you'll find links to the aforementioned Airgun Resources section and a Web page for additional info about the Beeman R1 book.

Edith Gaylord
The Airgun Letter
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Re: there are alot of typos in that post ..sorry edited ver

Msg. 107856  Posted by Dani on April 29, 1999 at 13:09:07:

In Reply to: Re: there are alot of typos in that post ..sorry edited ver posted by M Boyle on April 29, 1999 at 00:04:18:

Mr. Boyle,
I did not tell you that the Silver Jets were made by H&N. I looked back at your e-mails to me (I save all of them) and you asked me specifically about Ramjet and Silver Ace pellets (SA pellets were originally made in Japan but have since been taken over by H&N). The Silver Jet pellet was never mentioned in the 3 e-mail back and forth. The Silver Jet has always been made in Japan. A different company is making them than originally, but they are using the original equipment purchased from the family that used to make them. So, since they are using the original equipment I can say that the way they are being manufactured has not changed. I don't appreciate people putting words in my mouth. Just because I am a "woman" doesn't mean I don't know what I am talking about.
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More Shim Info on the Shooting Sports Cheap Scope Page

Msg. 107855  Posted by John Piper on April 29, 1999 at 13:01:32:

In Reply to: Vinyl electrical tape and beer can tabs do work as gaskets and shims. posted by vZc on April 27, 1999 at 20:46:20:

Here's a URL with some general info on shims and scope mounting in general;
Topics:
- How to Mount Scopes
- Shim material
- How to Zero Cheap Scopes
- Choosing a new scope
- A Quick Overview of Brands
- Glossary
- The Difference between good and cheap scopes
- The Media lies
- What to do with a Cheap Scope
- Adjusting the Objective on a Cheap Scope

http://www.charm.null/~kmarsh/sport.html



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Re: The gospel on '' Air Gun Rifling Wear '' - source?

Msg. 107854  Posted by The Airgun Letter on April 29, 1999 at 13:00:46:

In Reply to: The gospel on '' Air Gun Rifling Wear '' posted by vZc on April 29, 1999 at 08:42:39:

I see quotes around the entire body of your message in this posting. Are you quoting a manufacturer? If didn't see any mention in this thread, but perhaps you referenced it in another thread and I missed it. In any case, it would be helpful if you could provide either a link or a reference to the source of your information.

Edith Gaylord
The Airgun Letter
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http://www.airgunletter.null
http://www.airgunletter.com

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What to look for in the pawn shop

Msg. 107853  Posted by Kevin on April 29, 1999 at 12:56:12:

I am looking into an air rifle to help my wife get more
comfortable with shooting. I would like to get
a decent gun, but am on a budget. Used seems the way
to go. What should I look for
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Re: Maccari R9 TK anybody have one?

Msg. 107852  Posted by JW on April 29, 1999 at 12:35:39:

In Reply to: Re: Maccari R9 TK anybody have one? posted by Gene Bortmes on April 29, 1999 at 09:14:37:

Gene does your gun have the full power tune or the 13 ft-lb FT tune ?
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Re: .22 what is the best for the price/performance

Msg. 107851  Posted by Mark Lemm on April 29, 1999 at 12:35:09:

In Reply to: .22 what is the best for the price/performance posted by Jake on April 29, 1999 at 02:48:28:

If you want power either a Kodiak or Crow magnum in .22 will do the trick. Neither will do 1000 fps but both are close to 30 ft/lbs which is more than enough to dispatch your quarry. You can find used crows for around $850 (airgun express) and Kodiaks for 5 to 600 w/o scopes. Happy shooting.
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Re: Beginner needs Advice - Part 2

Msg. 107850  Posted by Mark Lemm on April 29, 1999 at 12:29:07:

In Reply to: Beginner needs Advice - Part 2 posted by Eric Field on April 29, 1999 at 10:32:20:

The RX-1 is a nice hunting rifle and gas ram rifles are generally pretty smooth to shoot. I recommend at least a Trophy series or better scope for it though. For your .177 plinker I would look at getting a SuperSport or perhaps an R-7. Gamo's or just not of a quality of competing rifles. For scopes check out wholesalehunter.com.
Welcome to the sport, let the addiction begin!

-Mark
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Re: UMAREX

Msg. 107849  Posted by Dani on April 29, 1999 at 12:20:38:

In Reply to: Re: UMAREX posted by trevor on April 29, 1999 at 05:07:25:

Umarex is the German distributor for Marksman products. Back when the Marksman line was made in Los Angeles they actually labelled the guns sent to Germany with the Umarex name. They have stopped labelling them Umarex since the production moved to Huntington Beach, CA. It looks like you have a 1020 that went to Germany and came back.
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Re: BC measurements of popular pellets should be a continuous processAn Apology to Jim B!

Msg. 107848  Posted by peteR on April 29, 1999 at 12:17:16:

In Reply to: Re: BC measurements of popular pellets should be a continuous process ..RIGHT-ON! posted by Jim Baumann on April 29, 1999 at 11:31:25:

Jim,

I am very Sorry for this morning's frontal assault. Nobody likes being attacked and too much of it occurs this way over the inte.null.

I ain't getting enough sleep and should have behaved in a much more gentlemanly manner and not been so fast to type.

I hope you accept my apologies and we can work together to promote and share our knowledge.


Pete Reiff
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Re: Beginner needs Advice - Part 2

Msg. 107847  Posted by Robert Hamilton on April 29, 1999 at 12:16:46:

In Reply to: Beginner needs Advice - Part 2 posted by Eric Field on April 29, 1999 at 10:32:20:

Hi Eric:
My hunt bud, Tom Jue, has a .22 RX-1 (formerly .177) that he putters around with (on barrel#4 now and he experiments with different piston seals). He most recently has had good success with a HW .22 carbine barrel (16") and I think he's going to give the HW factory piston seal another try soon. I've witnessed Tom (with a rest) put 5 .22 cal Cros Premiers into a 1.25" (outside diameter) group at 70 yds. Tom favors a Beeman one piece mount with the rugged Weaver 4x16 42mm scope.
Robert Hamilton

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Gun Control poll

Msg. 107846  Posted by jimk on April 29, 1999 at 12:15:34:

National Gun control Poll!!

We got a fax this morning With the above bold header with USA flags at both ends.

It's a fax back poll to 900 numbers that in the fine print only charges $2.95 a minute!
Supposedly it goes to the President, atty Gen, Congress, HCI, NRA, and all governors.

What a racket. $2.95 a minute to answer a poll.

The web address to see the results in a UK polling site.
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Re: The gospel on '' Air Gun Rifling Wear ''

Msg. 107845  Posted by LOU V.K. on April 29, 1999 at 12:14:04:

In Reply to: Re: The gospel on '' Air Gun Rifling Wear '' posted by Wade on April 29, 1999 at 10:47:57:


I have the tenth MDS that Mick Dawes ever built.It was formerly owned by Andy Taylor,who won the Grand Prix of Great Briton with it three times.This is the only rifle that has won that series more than once.The number of shots through this 'NEVER CLEANED' barrel is more than five times the number that has gone through Wade's Daystate,and it just keeps getting better. The Falcon that Mick built for me is approaching the 50,000 shot mark,and it also improves with each outing.One of my NJR's was Richard Beaugie's personal rifle,and it also has never had a brush run through it. How much more evidence is needed,to induce shooters of gas guns to "just go shoot the bloody things,don't muck about with them" ( John Bowkett).
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'' ... chrony the .20 RWS 48 with premier's '' not yet: rifle in transit ...

Msg. 107844  Posted by vZc on April 29, 1999 at 12:06:14:

In Reply to: Re: It's not Vernon's steel rod. (poetic licence) posted by Jerry Rhodes on April 29, 1999 at 10:04:05:

... Leigh Wilcox can.
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Re: Beginner needs Advice - Part 2

Msg. 107843  Posted by LOU V.K. on April 29, 1999 at 11:59:24:

In Reply to: Beginner needs Advice - Part 2 posted by Eric Field on April 29, 1999 at 10:32:20:


The response by Ron B. is all,basically accurate,but,somewhat misleading.As a retired airgun dealer,I have yet to find a method of tuning which will make any piston powered Gamo a joy to shoot. They are like shooting a tuning fork.Some of us oldtimers in airgunning say that the term "SRONG" is a synonym for 'Made in Spain'. Another point is their triggers.They are marginal at best,compared to most of the others on the current market. My very strong advice is; buy a BSA Supersport,or,some other British or,German spring piston rifle,of good reputation. I have a large collection of airguns,but,I divested myself of all Spanish piston guns a long time ago,and,wished that I had never wasted my money on them,as,I could now have several good guns in their place for the money that I lost when selling the Gamo,and,Norica rifles.
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Re: .22 what is the best for the price/performance

Msg. 107842  Posted by Jon B. on April 29, 1999 at 11:49:20:

In Reply to: .22 what is the best for the price/performance posted by Jake on April 29, 1999 at 02:48:28:

Jake;
I would also like a break barrel .22 cal that shoots accurately at 1000 fps. And is light weight and doesn't cost much. If you find one, let me know. But realistically, for as often as you are planning to shoot, try the BSA supersport. It wont go 1000 fps, but is a very nice gun for the price (about $170), and pretty accurate out to maybe 35-40 yards with practice. Shoots about 650-700 fps with most pellets in .22 cal I think, which would be plenty for what you are doing. Be careful, though, as you just might start to like shooting airguns.
HTH Jon B.
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Re: Mendoza??

Msg. 107841  Posted by BC on April 29, 1999 at 11:48:39:

In Reply to: Re: Mendoza?? posted by LOU V.K. on April 29, 1999 at 11:45:10:

Thanks Lou
Bob

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Re: Has anybody dealt with Hawley Todd or Alvin Parker?

Msg. 107840  Posted by Jerry Rhodes on April 29, 1999 at 11:46:06:

In Reply to: Has anybody dealt with Hawley Todd or Alvin Parker? posted by Terry Vernest on April 28, 1999 at 17:27:12:

Terry,

I'm puzzled. Why did you mention Hawley and the other fellow in the same breath??

Jerry
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Re: Mendoza??

Msg. 107839  Posted by LOU V.K. on April 29, 1999 at 11:45:10:

In Reply to: Re: Mendoza?? posted by BC on April 29, 1999 at 11:04:48:

I have a new Mendoza 800 Magnum,which requires three drops of what the maker calls "flammable oil" per each 100 shots,and,which when tested by a local petroleum lab,turned out to be #2 home heating oil. I am told by a reliable source,that they bottle up whatever low flash point oil they can get the best price on,for this purpose.

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Re: SNAKE!!!!!!

Msg. 107838  Posted by Jon B. on April 29, 1999 at 11:36:03:

In Reply to: SNAKE!!!!!! posted by Adam on April 29, 1999 at 02:12:35:

Adam:
Black & white snake? Was it black and white rings? If it was, then it was probably a king snake, at least here in California it would be. And king snakes kill rattle snakes. We love 'em. If it ain't poisonous, why kill it as it keeps the vermin and bug populations down. Just hold it down with a stick or something (your foot) on it's neck, then pick it up behind the head and throw it outside. Keeps your house cleaner too.
Jon B.
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Re: BSA

Msg. 107837  Posted by Jerry Rhodes on April 29, 1999 at 11:34:49:

In Reply to: BSA posted by Eric Field on April 29, 1999 at 10:57:56:

Eric,

A brand new BSA SS on your door step costs $181.00 and change. If the accessories are worth $100.00 to you then it seems like a fair deal.

The BSA SS is ideal for your application. It is light, accurate nice looking. As Wade pointed out, successfull kills beyond 40 yds are more a function of "operator skill" than capability of the rifle. It is an easy cocking, fun rifle to shoot.

Good Shooting,

Jerry


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Re: BC measurements of popular pellets should be a continuous process ..RIGHT-ON!

Msg. 107836  Posted by Jim Baumann on April 29, 1999 at 11:31:25:

In Reply to: Re: BC measurements of popular pellets should be a continuous process ..RIGHT-ON! posted by peteR on April 29, 1999 at 09:40:02:


Hi again Pete:

vZc is one of the people who drove me from posting here. It was nothing he said that cause it. It was the fact that he was sending my private e-mails to him, to several other people. The information in these e-mails' were things that I only give to people who buy my product. Then the guy wonders why I stopped repling to his e-mails.

While this may not have been his intent; that was what occured. I should, also, say that his check has been in the mail for a good year, or so.

It could be that he changed his mind; after I stopped responding to his e-mails; but, it was a good while after he said he would send me a check; before, I did.

One last note, I have found that dishonest people are always the first to accuse others of same.

Jim Baumann
Owner
Lame Rabbit Software
Author
Air Rifle Ballistics

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Re: CAN I HUNT WITH A GAMO EXPO 26 AIR RIFLE 620FPS??

Msg. 107835  Posted by Jim B. In Nv. on April 29, 1999 at 11:27:15:

In Reply to: CAN I HUNT WITH A GAMO EXPO 26 AIR RIFLE 620FPS?? posted by LEIGHTON HOOD LEIGHTON HOOD LEIGHTON HOOD on April 28, 1999 at 01:55:31:

I've used my Meteor(approximately the same power) to take game. It will take rabbits cleanly with head shots out to about 30 yards. But I would limit myself to 50feet and to head shots. Testosterone crazed high powered airgun shooters will tell you that it won't take much more than mice, but it wasn't all that long ago that 620 fps to 750 fps was good output for a Spring gun in .177 and people were using them to take squirel and rabbits with good frequency.
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Re: Daystate Mirage XLR

Msg. 107834  Posted by BC on April 29, 1999 at 11:24:20:

In Reply to: Daystate Mirage XLR posted by Adam on April 28, 1999 at 00:34:19:

Congratulations!!! I looked at it on his shelf and it is a BEAUTIFUL rifle. I'm sure you'll enjoy it much.
Bob

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Re: BSA

Msg. 107833  Posted by Wade on April 29, 1999 at 11:12:11:

In Reply to: BSA posted by Eric Field on April 29, 1999 at 10:57:56:

Squirrels and Wabbits have been taken with lesser
guns, but with precision placed hits. The BSA is
well capable of dispatching your quarry, but it
would be highly recommended that you stay under
the 40 yds at least until you are better skilled
at farther distances. IMO Wade
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Re: Mendoza??

Msg. 107832  Posted by BC on April 29, 1999 at 11:04:48:

In Reply to: Mendoza?? posted by BobF on April 29, 1999 at 09:50:46:

I've had about 5 different models of the older ones and that sounds about right for the smaller ones. I believe they expected use of regular motor oil in the compression chamber.(non-detergent, around 30w) The Magnum was about 13 ft/lb without use of oil in both .177 and .22 of the specimens that I had. All were old and probably had original springs.
Bob

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Re: The gospel on '' Air Gun Rifling Wear ''

Msg. 107831  Posted by Jerry Rhodes on April 29, 1999 at 11:02:32:

In Reply to: Re: The gospel on '' Air Gun Rifling Wear '' posted by Wade on April 29, 1999 at 10:47:57:

Wade,

You must be doing what is called "air lapping". I wonder how much improvement, at 75K+ shots, is due to "air lapping" or "operator final tuning and enhancement"???? I have found that when I am able to shoot regularly and often the rifle's "improvement" seems to spill over to the other rifles I shoot also. You are doing great works. Keep up the stream of lead. Fresh stocks of pellets help us all.

Good Shooting,

Jerry
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Re: If you MUST have a rod style cleaning system....

Msg. 107830  Posted by Wade on April 29, 1999 at 11:00:53:

In Reply to: Re: If you MUST have a rod style cleaning system.... posted by RBest on April 28, 1999 at 18:53:23:

I DO clean the bore of my center fire guns and
the Dewey rod is good, but the Parker Hale rod
is the Best (IMO). The Dewey has a ball bearing
handle, but they run on a plastic race. The P.H.
has a full metal race which lasts longer and will
not seize after repeated use. Wade
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BSA

Msg. 107829  Posted by Eric Field on April 29, 1999 at 10:57:56:

One more questions - what are the BSA's like? I found a BSA SuperSport in .22 with a BSA 4 x 32 scope ,B Square Mounts ,1,000 pellets and shipping, for a total of $281.95.

Is this a good rifle that is accurate, reliable, and has the knockdown power that I want for 40 yard kills on squirrels and rabbits?

Thanks, guys !

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Re: Beginner needs Advice - Part 2

Msg. 107828  Posted by Ron B on April 29, 1999 at 10:50:33:

In Reply to: Beginner needs Advice - Part 2 posted by Eric Field on April 29, 1999 at 10:32:20:

Eric,

First the 'kick' of an air rifle is a problem with accurate shooting, not shooter punishment. I feel sure the Gamo will place pellets better than you can, at least to begin with.

Most of these posts on accuracy are on the order of will a well tuned .243 be more accurate than a well tuned 6mm Remmington. Bullet match to the barrel will make more difference than any one other item, given equal preperation of the rifles.

The same is true of airguns. The matching of pellets to barrels and types is critical for accuracy. This is the reason for the 'sampler packs' and the large number of posts about pellets fitting guns.

As for optics, you get what you pay for. Springguns are notorious for destroying optics.

Also, due to 'hold sensitivity', some folks find the pnumatics, pump, Co2 and PCP easier to hunt with. Power choice on optics is the same. While I enjoy open and peep sights, as well a low powered optics. Some folks like to count the ear hairs of a squirrel before they dispach it.

THT,
Ron
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Re: The gospel on '' Air Gun Rifling Wear ''

Msg. 107827  Posted by Wade on April 29, 1999 at 10:47:57:

In Reply to: The gospel on '' Air Gun Rifling Wear '' posted by vZc on April 29, 1999 at 08:42:39:

Preacher, I have a Daystate with literally 75 K+
pellets shot through it,which has never been bore
cleaned and shoots better today than it ever did
when new. Sorry to put such a wave in your research.

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Re: Hey Jim Bauman you missed ! READ SLOWLY

Msg. 107826  Posted by Jim Baumann on April 29, 1999 at 10:37:17:

In Reply to: Re: Hey Jim Bauman you missed ! READ SLOWLY posted by peteR on April 29, 1999 at 09:59:40:

Dear Pete:

It seem as though you took my list as an assault
on you; it was not. I just get tired of reading the same stuff, over, and over again; and it starts to bug me when it is not always true, let alone that it is not true in most cases.

While my first choice for a 20 caliber high powered PCP would be the Premier; it would also be my last choice in a 20 caliber R9, if that makes any sense to you.

"Where did you get you data for commercial ammo?" From the people at Speer, Remington, ect.. They were quite helpful and were quite willing to help me in anyway they could. In fact I spent several hours on the phone with them; differant people, differant places.

"Pirated???? hmmmmm?" If this is not an "assault on me", or my product then what is iit?
I accccuse you on ingorance, and you accuse me of being a thief. Even ld would never go that far.

"I guess that I WON'T have to run right out and buy your software, you airgun guru you!" Please don't as it is obvious that you won't be able to understand it! Besides, I could care less if I ever sell another copy; I built it just to prove to myself that it could be done. Besides, when I get P&B II finished the price will go up again. Maybe I should ask &200.00 a copy ? I will have to think about it.

"Give Dr. Bob a kiss sweetie!" I don't know who or what Dr Bob is; unless you are talking about Bob Holtz, the man who designed the Premiers.
That is only one of the Bob's I know; but he did never said anything about being a Dr.

"not worth the time to correspond with" I had the idea that any response with, or to you, Pete, would be a wast of my time; but I tried to enlighten you! Both from a ballistics point of view, and from an RX point of view.

Jim Baumann
Owner
Lame Rabbit Software
Author
Air Rifle Ballistics

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Re: Has anybody dealt with Hawley Todd or Alvin Parker?

Msg. 107825  Posted by Wade on April 29, 1999 at 10:36:11:

In Reply to: Has anybody dealt with Hawley Todd or Alvin Parker? posted by Terry Vernest on April 28, 1999 at 17:27:12:

Yup, Hawley is a fine individual with impeccable
credentials.
Don't know Mr. Parker.
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Beginner needs Advice - Part 2

Msg. 107824  Posted by Eric Field on April 29, 1999 at 10:32:20:

To everyone who has responded to my initial questions, I must say a hearty "THANK YOU!"
It is incredible, after reading through all the posts on this site how close everyone here is; it is almost like a family. Kind of gets the warm fuzzies going. If I may, though, I have a few more questions before I make a final decision regarding my entry into this fraternity:

1. I have heard good and bad about the Gamos - I have the opportunity to purchase a Game Hunter 440 with a custom walnut thumbhole stock for $150, with no scope. If I wanted a plinker, something to practice on, that was reasonably accurate and reliable in .177, would that do the trick for the price?
2. - Corrolary to the above, I also have the opportunity to purchase a Beeman RX-1 in .22 caliber that has recently been "tuned" by Beeman. Again, no scope. This one is priced at $325. What is anyone's experience with the RX-1? I read that it has a different kind of operating system (a gas spring, I believe) and that it has a bit of a pronounced kick, but I am used to firing high-powered rifles, so that doesn't bother me - or should it in an air rifle? Does anyone have any advice for me in regards to the .22 RX-1?

At these prices, I am tempted to purchase both rifles - that way I would have a cheap .177 for general plinking and small pest elimination, and a Beeman .22 for the larger stuff. Of course, I would have to get mounts and scopes for each, so if anyone knows of a place to get inexpensive optics for airguns, I would appreciate that info as well. How well do the refrub scopes do? I have seen some Bushnell's advertised at good prices. Also, just what sort of scope for hunting would you recommend? Is a 3-9x32 good enough, or should I look at the 4-12x40 or the 6-18x40 ? Which would be best for the kind of shooting I wish to do?

Sorry for all the questions, but I want to make sure I make the right decision before diving into this sport.

Eric

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Re: SNAKE!!!!!!

Msg. 107823  Posted by Jerry Rhodes on April 29, 1999 at 10:31:46:

In Reply to: SNAKE!!!!!! posted by Adam on April 29, 1999 at 02:12:35:

Adam,

Hmmmm......"black and white demon"........ Reminds me of the title of a Shakespearean play I studied Ad Nauseum, Much Ado About Nothing. Virtually all snakes are GOOD snakes. Even so, a bite from a good snake can give you a nasty infection. If you were close enough to the critter to "put salt on it's tail" you should have gone ahead and pinned it's head down and picked it up and carried it outside. After your Mom regained conciousness she would have thought of you as a mighty hero. (my mom always did)

On one occasion, at the age of 15, I managed to catch a small (4 foot long) rattlesnake and carried it into the house to show her how brave a lad she had given birth to. After she "came to" she said that she couldn't understand how I could confuse "brave" with "brain damaged". That rattlesnake eventually got very docile. All of the garter snakes I ever caught stayed fierce and agressive and would never settle down. The most docile breed is the Mexican Rat snake that looks like an indigo snake. They get so gentle that it is hard to tell them from a big piece of black poly pipe. They are "sacred", they eat rattlesnakes.

I enjoyed your post, it brought back memories of mom screaming, from a safe distance, of course.

Jerry


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Surgery on the 17th, May... Good Luck Bob!!! (nt)

Msg. 107822  Posted by Wade on April 29, 1999 at 10:29:09:

In Reply to: Re: Need set of backward reaching rings posted by mike on April 29, 1999 at 09:27:46:


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Not much fun for the Woodpecker......nt

Msg. 107821  Posted by Ron B on April 29, 1999 at 10:19:23:

In Reply to: Re: Foiled ..... posted by wved on April 29, 1999 at 10:17:09:


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Re: Foiled .....

Msg. 107820  Posted by wved on April 29, 1999 at 10:17:09:

In Reply to: Foiled ..... posted by Ron B on April 29, 1999 at 09:59:30:

Duh, I apologize for not readin' yer post carefully! You want to shoot woodpeckers, not shoot at woodpeckers :-0. Otta make grand darts when ya get the "woodpecker flinger" operational.
wved
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Re: SNAKE!!!!!!

Msg. 107819  Posted by TerryD on April 29, 1999 at 10:06:08:

In Reply to: SNAKE!!!!!! posted by Adam on April 29, 1999 at 02:12:35:

When I was 17 or 18 and still livin at my parents place, I came home late just before dawn after a hard night of partying. In my room I was just gettin ready to crash when a mouse showed himself. Now I don't really mind small critters and such, just not in my bedroom when I'm about to crash. So out comes the Sheridan and after 20 or 30 minutes of moving every piece of furniture and junk away from the wall so the little devil couldnt hide anymore, I finally drew a bead on him and touched off 6 or 8 pumps. The pellet is probably still in the wall moulding. Didn't bother cleaning the mess right then, just fell into bed and slept good the rest of the day.

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Re: It's not Vernon's steel rod. (poetic licence)

Msg. 107818  Posted by Jerry Rhodes on April 29, 1999 at 10:04:05:

In Reply to: It's not Vernon's steel rod: Remington # 18426, they made for small bore clean ... posted by vZc on April 29, 1999 at 08:02:52:

V,

My reference to "Vernon's steel rod" was in reference to your quest for the high quality ground and polished rod you were talking about.

Norman Brockway the great 19th century match gun bbl maker would finish a bbl to such a degree that shooting it only wore it out. It shot as good as it was going to shoot from the first shot.

One of the most ill conceived ram rod/cleaning rod ideas to come along is the fiber glass rod. It functions like a very fine rat tailed file. When they first came out I was very suspicious. I bought one and cut a piece off and mounted it into "black bart" my home made power hack saw. I clamped a piece of 1 1/8 " Douglas barrel into it and set Bart about his chore. In about 3 hours of mindless rubbing back and forth the rod had worn and neat groove about 5/8" deep and the width (1/2") of the rod. I decided that the fiber glass ram rod was better suited to corporal punishment than to anything related to my rifle barrels.

Jerry

BTW have you had a chance to chrony the .20 RWS 48 with premier's?



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Re: Hey Jim Bauman you missed ! READ SLOWLY

Msg. 107817  Posted by peteR on April 29, 1999 at 09:59:40:

In Reply to: Re: Hey Jim Bauman In case you missed the post! posted by Jim Baumann on April 29, 1999 at 09:40:57:

IT APPEARS ya didn't READ the article before making the LD assault on me. I have a feeling you are certainly not worth the time to correspond with and will let you go on your merry little fools dance down the road.

I guess that I WON'T have to run right out and buy your software, you airgun guru you!
$70.00 and it don't go past how far for end range?
Where did you get you data for commercial ammo?
How about commercial bullets?
Pirated???? hmmmmm?

You know about as much about the RX article and the test proceedures as I know about brain surgery. NOT MUCH!

Give Dr. Bob a kiss sweetie!


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Foiled .....

Msg. 107816  Posted by Ron B on April 29, 1999 at 09:59:30:

In Reply to: Re: Will need dimensions or species of said woodpecker before design of gun to shoot them can proceed. (nt) posted by wved on April 29, 1999 at 09:29:44:

I was hopeing a 'woodpecker gun' would have a higher velocity than the 'chicken guns' and therefore have better trajectory.

BTW - does anyone know the BC of a chicken.

Ron
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Re: Mendoza??

Msg. 107814  Posted by Ron B on April 29, 1999 at 09:54:32:

In Reply to: Mendoza?? posted by BobF on April 29, 1999 at 09:50:46:

There was a post by Raul a day or two back on the Mendoza line of air rifles. HTH
Ron
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Re: UMAREX

Msg. 107813  Posted by TM on April 29, 1999 at 09:52:12:

In Reply to: UMAREX posted by trevor on April 28, 1999 at 23:50:35:

Well then, in that case you got me stumped.
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Mendoza??

Msg. 107812  Posted by BobF on April 29, 1999 at 09:50:46:

My friend has an rifle manufactured in Mexico call ed a Mendoza. He doesn't have the owners manual. It's a .177 and shoots about 650fps with superdomes. Is this about the right speed or should this thing be lubed? Don't know the model number.
The rifle appears to have an oil port on the compression chamber - kinda like a Daisy BB gun. Do we oil it here, and if so, what type of oil?
Thanks BobF
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Re: Hey Jim Bauman In case you missed the post!

Msg. 107811  Posted by Jim Baumann on April 29, 1999 at 09:40:57:

In Reply to: Hey Jim Bauman In case you missed the post! posted by peteR on April 29, 1999 at 00:08:38:

Dear Pete:

The problem with a "secret ballistics model" is that it does not take into account that the rifling makes marks on the pellet; not to mention the fact that both the 10.5 grain Premier, and the 14.3 20 caliber Premier tend to waddle toward the target like a duck. This occures more offten than you could guess.

I do not base any of my information on any kind of ballistic model, as theroy is usually wrong. I base all of my information on actual ballistic tests; and I don't do them at 25 yards; because that don't work. I chronograph at feet 12, and again at 49 yards.

I have hundred's of pages of test data; and have clocked Carrers', Daystates' RWS's, HW's,(Beeman R's) and others.

I can, also tell you that I have probably shot more Premier's across two chronographs than most shooters would shoot in a year!

To put it smiply, the list of things that affect the BC of any pellet go something like this: Velocity by itself does change the ballistic coefficient. The twist rate, or rotation rate of the pellet will change the ballistic coefficient. Tiny differances in pellet size will change the ballistic coefficient.
If the barrel is dirty it will change the ballistic coefficient. Using lube on pellets in pre-charged guns will change the ballistic coefficient. Gun harmonics, in piston guns will change the ballistic coefficient. Out of tune piston guns, always turn in lower remaining velocities; when compaired to those tuned by a good airgunsmith.

There is another couple of pages to this list; but, I m too tired to go through all of it.

The 20 caliber Premier does very well; but my tests say that the 22 Dan Sung out does it.

And lastly I really don't care where you get or how you got your information; One test with one type of gun means nothing!

Unless you have at least 5 or 6 tests with differant rifles, shooting the same batch of pellets a differant velocities, with each test having at least 20 shots fired, across two chronograph's at least 40 yards a part, and have done these tests again with out lubed pellets!

Don';t wast my time with your, and the American Rifleman Nonsence!

By thye way, aren't these the same guys who keep pumping up the RX, untill the gun went
bang; or did they just do it until they fried the piston seal ?

Jim Baumann
Owner
Lame Rabbit Software

Author
Air Rifle Ballistics

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Re: BC measurements of popular pellets should be a continuous process ..RIGHT-ON!

Msg. 107810  Posted by peteR on April 29, 1999 at 09:40:02:

In Reply to: BC measurements of popular pellets should be a continuous process ... posted by vZc on April 29, 1999 at 08:36:01:

vCz, (Do you have a real name for the sake of courtesy in addressing you?)

Please let me know the design changes on the Premiers, other than skirt and head revisions on the 7.9 gr versions in 1992-93. Maybe you got
some data I don't........

Please Don't attempt to skew others views of my data as "obsolete" with a comment like that unless it can be substantiated.

My annual purchase lots of 5mm Premiers show insignificant variations.


I'm game if anybody else wants to share reliable data collectively.

And not turn it into a "mines better than yours cuz my daddy says so"

Everybody wins with a larger database and maybe more accurate findings.

chao!

Pete Reiff
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Re: Beginner needs Advice

Msg. 107809  Posted by GreggR on April 29, 1999 at 09:38:52:

In Reply to: Beginner needs Advice posted by Eric Field on April 28, 1999 at 17:00:18:

Eric,These threads on on your question are TOP-Notch adive. Most of these guys that answeres you you have EL MUCHCO $ invested, and test the guns to the limit. GR
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Re: Will need dimensions or species of said woodpecker before design of gun to shoot them can proceed. (nt)

Msg. 107808  Posted by wved on April 29, 1999 at 09:29:44:

In Reply to: Will need dimensions or species of said woodpecker before design of gun to shoot them can proceed. (nt) posted by Ron B on April 29, 1999 at 08:51:13:

Hi Ron B! Woodpeckers are very beneficial and remove many bugs from our trees. Maybe that is a super secret woodpecker has been selectively bred by NASA to find bugs in hi-tech components. It may be wise to get NASA approval before developing an air arm to dispatch this "six million dollar bionic vermin". :-) wved
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Re: Need set of backward reaching rings

Msg. 107807  Posted by mike on April 29, 1999 at 09:27:46:

In Reply to: Re: Need set of backward reaching rings posted by Wade on April 29, 1999 at 09:11:29:

if you want to get them from bob winer you'd
better hurry.he's fixin' to close for his surgery
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Re: My 54 with modified ram pushes .22 CP at 910 fps.

Msg. 107806  Posted by Dave Franey on April 29, 1999 at 09:22:45:

In Reply to: My 54 with modified ram pushes .22 CP at 910 fps. posted by Robert Tatro on April 28, 1999 at 12:54:52:

Robert,
I'd be interseted in knowing what the actual cocking force of your gun is.

Mine is exactly 42 pounds using the bathroom scale method.

I open the cocking lever to the first click. Then with it sticking out perpendicular to the gun, place the end of the handle in the center of the scale. I slowly push the rifle down and watch the needle edge up to 40...41... and then just shadow the 42 mark and then the natural leverage takes over and it drops way down.

I'm getting 80 fps (four foot pounds) more than my stocker with only 3 more pounds cocking effort.

Maybe you could try this experiment and let me know.

Good shooting...

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Re: Has anybody dealt with Hawley Todd or Alvin Parker?

Msg. 107805  Posted by Bill B. on April 29, 1999 at 09:18:20:

In Reply to: Has anybody dealt with Hawley Todd or Alvin Parker? posted by Terry Vernest on April 28, 1999 at 17:27:12:

Good to see someone pointed out the difference between STEVE Parker and ALVIN Parker.

I have always been concerned that one would be confused with the other.

STEVE Parker is 100%+ trustworthy in all his dealings.

A pox on the other one.

B.
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Re: The gospel on '' Air Gun Rifling Wear ''

Msg. 107804  Posted by wved on April 29, 1999 at 09:16:49:

In Reply to: The gospel on '' Air Gun Rifling Wear '' posted by vZc on April 29, 1999 at 08:42:39:

How 'bout them "pumper" brass barrels which have lasted for decades when taken care of? wved
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Re: Scope for 48 under $100 ?

Msg. 107803  Posted by Johnny O. on April 29, 1999 at 09:16:46:

In Reply to: Re: Scope for 48 under $100 ? posted by Andrew Leung on April 28, 1999 at 21:09:54:

Focused in at about 45 yds. Went from 6x up to 18x with no change in clarity. Now, I'm not saying this is as clear as a Weaver, just no chage while turning up the power. I believe the Weaver's are a better scope, but for $ 119.00 for a 6x18 Trophy I couln't go wrong. I'm a sucker for a deal!
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Re: Maccari R9 TK anybody have one?

Msg. 107802  Posted by Gene Bortmes on April 29, 1999 at 09:14:37:

In Reply to: Maccari R9 TK anybody have one? posted by Eric Helfrich on April 28, 1999 at 21:09:57:

Yes, I bought one from Jim a few weeks ago, hoping that it would be super quiet. IMHO it is the quietest springer I've heard, but it's still too noisy for where I live. In addition, since I'm 76, it's just alittle more effort to cock than I like. Very, very nice gun though. No twang, just a thump and some slight noise. I'm going to have to sell it and get a super quiet PCP for where I live. If anyone is interested, let me know.
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Re: Need set of backward reaching rings

Msg. 107801  Posted by Wade on April 29, 1999 at 09:11:29:

In Reply to: Re: Need set of backward reaching rings posted by TM on April 28, 1999 at 22:48:06:

They are also available from Bob Winer at
Precision Airgun Supplies and Accessories,
rlwiner@null.null The price is the same and
you will be supporting an airgunner - remember
the small guys who work hard to keep us in
the game.
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Re: UMAREX

Msg. 107800  Posted by Howard C on April 29, 1999 at 09:02:33:

In Reply to: UMAREX posted by trevor on April 28, 1999 at 23:50:35:

trevor

The pentagoned F on any gun, I belive means that the gun in question is in the legal power
limits in Germany, we have a running joke around
our club that all guns with the Pentagoned F were
made by Feinwerkbau (FWB)and when on a Marksman
you can see where the laughs get quite loud.
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Re: Air Shotgun

Msg. 107799  Posted by MonV on April 29, 1999 at 09:00:58:

In Reply to: Air Shotgun posted by LA on April 28, 1999 at 14:05:39:

Take a look at the Farco Shotgun from ARS. You'll find them in the resources section of this forum. 28 gauge. Hope this helps.
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Re:Thanks for confirming my assumption. nt

Msg. 107798  Posted by Johnny O. on April 29, 1999 at 08:57:58:

In Reply to: Just how good is the Silver Jet? posted by Johnny O. on April 28, 1999 at 21:19:41:

.
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Hex-Plus L-Keys are Holo-Krome / Allen products (nt).

Msg. 107797  Posted by vZc on April 29, 1999 at 08:57:26:

In Reply to: Hex-Plus L-Keys description in McMaster-Carr catalog#105 p.2367 posted by vZc on April 28, 1999 at 19:45:40:

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Re: Read my post again, carefully.......

Msg. 107796  Posted by wved on April 29, 1999 at 08:54:34:

In Reply to: Read my post again, carefully....... posted by Jerry Rhodes on April 29, 1999 at 01:27:58:

Hi Jerry!
This thread has mentioned hard steel rods which
"peen" the rifling, wood dowels (I've heard of wooden ramrods that broke when ramming a ball home, OUCH!) and plastic rods. Even "soft" aluminum rods sand the rifling away because the surface of the aluminium rod will oxidize into the very abrasive you mention i.e. aluminium oxide. wved
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Re: Need set of backward reaching rings

Msg. 107795  Posted by Wade on April 29, 1999 at 08:52:52:

In Reply to: Re: Need set of backward reaching rings posted by Barry on April 29, 1999 at 00:22:44:

Semantics - Better known as "off set" mounts.
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Will need dimensions or species of said woodpecker before design of gun to shoot them can proceed. (nt)

Msg. 107794  Posted by Ron B on April 29, 1999 at 08:51:13:

In Reply to: NASA needs airgunners..woodpecker probs posted by M Boyle on April 28, 1999 at 23:27:41:


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RE: Vortex (actually it is VORTEK, but I know what you meant)

Msg. 107793  Posted by Dave Franey on April 29, 1999 at 08:46:48:

Msg. 107565� Posted by Bob Lejuez on April 28, 1999 at 11:44:30:
I'am planning on putting a Vortex Muzzlebrake (tamer) on my RWS 52 in .177, has anyone use one and will it help in inproving accuracy
and what do you think of its workmanship.
------------------------------------------------

Bob,
I have used three of the four type of Vortek Accuracy Tamers to date and have written about the accuracy benefits of each of them. The only one I have not used is the one for the Kodiak that just screws on the muzzle.

The Standard Accuracy tamer is made of steel and has a blued finish. It is well polished and heavy in the hand, very solid. I had one on my RWS 48 before it was changed over to Bull Barrel configuration.

The Precharge version I have on my Daystate LR-90 is made of aluminum and anodized to match the fine finish on that gun.

Last but not least, the Bull Barrel Accuracy Tamer on my RWS "Modified" has a better bluing job on it than the actual rifle. To be fair to RWS it was a used Demo gun from Airgun Express so some of the sheen could have been left with the original owner.

They all work the same way, click the weight in or out till the groups shrink. They have on every gun I've equipped with a 'Tamer.

If you would like to see some pictures of the LR-90 or the Modified, punch the link below.

Cheers (as the Brits say)

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Re: Mounting a scope on a BSA SS

Msg. 107792  Posted by MarkH on April 29, 1999 at 08:42:54:

In Reply to: Re: Mounting a scope on a BSA SS posted by RBest on April 28, 1999 at 23:48:02:

I suppose this means my Beeman 5030 mounts
aren't a good match on my SS?
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The gospel on '' Air Gun Rifling Wear ''

Msg. 107791  Posted by vZc on April 29, 1999 at 08:42:39:

" While the tubing we use for air rifle barrels is of the DOM type, it is also a special alloy. It is also used for 22 lr. This means that the barrel will be fired with ammunition which has powdered marble and other stone, used for the ignition of the primer mix. This can also contain ground glass.

The problem with airguns is the while the barrel is not soft, the pellet design is succeptable to the effects of anything in the barrel.

All tools we use for working inside of the airgun barrel, after rifling are made from fully soft brass.

Also, the inspection process for an airgun barrel is radically different than that of other types. The most advanced airgun shooter has not idea what has gone into a high grade airgun barrel. For the top end barrels today, one set of equipment, reaming machine, super hone, rifling machine and inspection tools, and so on, the total cost is $892,000. The super hone is not capable of running under manual control.

For barrel smoothness, only electronic gauges are used.

The main problem with an airgun barrel is that ANYTHING done to it later on will usually reduce accuracy. Then, there is the pellets. "

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Neuvo Tejas Cusine.....nt

Msg. 107790  Posted by Ron B on April 29, 1999 at 08:39:36:

In Reply to: Re: The Maha Raja of Seco Creek......... posted by RBest on April 28, 1999 at 23:32:53:


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Link (nt)

Msg. 107789  Posted by Ron B on April 29, 1999 at 08:36:13:

In Reply to: LR Location, What's The Address of The Show?(nt) posted by MartinL on April 29, 1999 at 08:08:17:


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BC measurements of popular pellets should be a continuous process ...

Msg. 107788  Posted by vZc on April 29, 1999 at 08:36:01:

In Reply to: Hey Jim Bauman In case you missed the post! posted by peteR on April 29, 1999 at 00:08:38:

... several design changes could occur in 6 - 7 years.

BC measurements of popular pellets should be a continuous process amongst several test cells with pellets from the same tin.

Let's start now.

Wolfesbane should have a lab grade setup soon.



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my $0.02 worth: your data is dated 1992 and 1993. measure with current production ...

Msg. 107787  Posted by vZc on April 29, 1999 at 08:31:58:

In Reply to: Re: 20 caliber ballistic coefficients Oh-tay..... posted by peteR on April 29, 1999 at 00:05:44:

... several design changes could occur in 6 - 7 years.

BC measurements of popular pellets should be a continuous process amongst several test cells with pellets from the same tin.

Let's start now.

Wolfesbane should have a lab grade setup soon.
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Sufficient accuracy for the targeting solution is my objective ...

Msg. 107786  Posted by vZc on April 29, 1999 at 08:20:15:

In Reply to: Re: Oehler / air rifle pellet applicability (text.) posted by peteR on April 28, 1999 at 23:53:01:

I call Oehler months ago about pellet ballistics.

Which drag tables do you use ?

.177 & 20 calibre details please
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Re: My two cents!

Msg. 107785  Posted by Rick McAllister on April 29, 1999 at 08:13:30:

In Reply to: Has anybody dealt with Hawley Todd or Alvin Parker? posted by Terry Vernest on April 28, 1999 at 17:27:12:

So many good things already said about Hawley Todd, I don�t think I can bring much new to the table, except... Several months ago when I was struggling to get into airguns, I had the good fortune to communicate with Hawley, via email and telephone. I was first awed by the depth of his knowledge on airguns, and secondly, very appreciative of his insight, consideration and willingness to help a pain in the ass �newbie� like me.

I have since learned a great deal from his posts and continue to regard him as one of the best things I have experienced since becoming involved with airguns. I hope I have the opportunity to someday meet Hawley and also do some business with him � I kind of owe him for his help.

Rick McAllister

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Re: Just how good is the Silver Jet?

Msg. 107784  Posted by wved on April 29, 1999 at 08:10:32:

In Reply to: Just how good is the Silver Jet? posted by Johnny O. on April 28, 1999 at 21:19:41:

Hi Johnny O! I'd like to throw my $.02 into the discussion. When I bought my HW35 years ago, airguns weren't as powerful as modern airguns and my old "35" (with original leather seal) would only shoot "Jets" at about 650fps. Since shooting ranges were 30yds or less (for me) the "Jets" gave good p.nullration and accuracy. I kinda grew "attached" to those multi-ribbed lathe turned wonders. As the Beeman catalog said, "multi-ring design traps air that other pellets waste" (a loose paraphrase). Maybe I was a "victim" of advertising hype but until I got the R10 last year, I always used pointed pellets. Now that I'm shooting at ranges up to 50yds, I've thrown away all "pointeds". I even gave away an almost a full tin of "Silver Arrow" pointeds because they weren't very accurate in my R10. Because of the way "Arrows" shot, I use only domes and wadcutters and never even considered trying the "jets" again. wved
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LR Location, What's The Address of The Show?(nt)

Msg. 107783  Posted by MartinL on April 29, 1999 at 08:08:17:

x

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Try local industrial supply house; 2.5 mm for $0.20 each, if you can't...

Msg. 107782  Posted by vZc on April 29, 1999 at 08:06:46:

In Reply to: NOT JC Whitney crap...mine twisted about 720 degrees, look like drill bits!nt posted by Robert Tatro on April 28, 1999 at 20:26:00:

email me for more procurement help.
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Sportsman is ALIVE and well!

Msg. 107781  Posted by Jim D on April 29, 1999 at 08:06:07:

In Reply to: Re: Any Experience with Daystate Sportsman MK II? posted by LOU V.K. on April 28, 1999 at 09:36:15:

The Daystate Sportsman is still available and the new models have gloss blue finish like the older models. They are even making it with a beech stock, which saves considerable money. Check out the Parker Hale moderator system that is available, SWEET! These are very nice rifles and very underated. They are hard to pump to 20 ft. lbs, but if used in the field how many times do you need to reach these levels. With two pumps these guns reach 12+ ft. pds. and are extremely accurate. One pump in the basement for practice and they are one holers. The trigger is the same trigger that is on all Daystate rifles and is quite an improvement over any other pumper available. Just wish Daystate would wake up and put open sights on these guns!

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It's not Vernon's steel rod: Remington # 18426, they made for small bore clean ...

Msg. 107780  Posted by vZc on April 29, 1999 at 08:02:52:

In Reply to: Read my post again, carefully....... posted by Jerry Rhodes on April 29, 1999 at 01:27:58:

I don't have one; this was a poll post for opinions & commentary.
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Try the Weavers

Msg. 107779  Posted by JT on April 29, 1999 at 07:45:50:

In Reply to: Bamp;L Elite 3000 4-12X on a springer rifle posted by tito on April 28, 1999 at 16:21:35:

I have a B&L 3000 4-12x40 and it won't focus to 10yds which is what my garage target range is.
I recently purchased the Weaver V16 and V24 and so far they look like great scopes. I haven't tried the V24 (6-24x42) on my range yet but just out the back window it looks like it will focus at that range at least on lower powers. BTW the V16 has many crosshair choices and the V24 not only goes up to 24 power but is has a very fine "varmint" reticle. The V24 also has same objective size as V16 - the literature is wrong.

JT

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Re: Yes, but......................what about Delrun rods..theres a plastic shop close to me NT

Msg. 107778  Posted by M Boyle on April 29, 1999 at 05:44:27:

In Reply to: Yes, but...................... posted by Jerry Rhodes on April 29, 1999 at 00:09:09:


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Re: favorite field target gun

Msg. 108603  Posted by LOU V.K. on May 03, 1999 at 07:13:28:

In Reply to: Re: favorite field target gun posted by Mark Lemm on May 03, 1999 at 00:29:45:


Your first time out,shooting F.T.? If so,how can you become such an expert at which rifles are the top three in each class? BTW,the Mako is also a Daystate,imported by Beeman.
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Re: pro-elite performance

Msg. 108602  Posted by RBest on May 03, 1999 at 07:11:57:

In Reply to: pro-elite performance posted by Mark_F on May 03, 1999 at 04:43:39:

With Premier 14.3gr pellets--- figure 815 fps avg. How's that? Tuned is no different on this gun. Same power level. Regards, Russ
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Re: New RWS took a dump ! HELP !

Msg. 108601  Posted by Homer on May 03, 1999 at 05:25:35:

In Reply to: New RWS took a dump ! HELP ! posted by William on May 02, 1999 at 15:38:28:

I agree with Russ and blame heavy pellets for the failure of the spring in my 54. Changed it myself but found that its quite a bit more difficult then other guns. Not more complex, just more spring-dont expect to shove a new spring in with your fingers!
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Re: New RWS took a dump ! HELP !

Msg. 108600  Posted by Sam Adams on May 03, 1999 at 05:22:17:

In Reply to: New RWS took a dump ! HELP ! posted by William on May 02, 1999 at 15:38:28:

William, the RWS 48/52/54 are great guns, the reputation of mainspring breakage is a very wierd rumor comes from the personal opinions of the older guys on this forum they keep spreading these 2000 round breakage story untill every one believed it!! I know many people who have fired thier guns more than 6000-7000 times (including myself with 4 48/52s in all calibers) and they are very satisfied whith thier springs,
let's use some brain, when you buy a new gun, the main spring will be stiff enough to break after a few rounds, but after 2000 rounds or so the m.spring will lose some of it's power and stiffness so there is no chance for breaking after this number of shoots.
I know that Russel Best is a big name here, but any one even beginners knows that the heavier pellets gives more life to the spring, the lighter and sup-diameter pellets are the ones who shortin it's live due to the movement of these pellets before the full air pressure is achieved in the cylinder, which may cause a semi-dry firing..
in your case: you can order a new spring from RWS and they must send you one with no charge, (DianaWerk in Germany sent me many parts free), it's very easy to change it your self and you will get these results with the new ginune spring:
Crosman premiers 836 fps, RWS Superdome 850 fps, Crow mags 720 fps, Marksman FTS 840 fps= 23.5 ft-lbs (best choise),
don't use any spring kits unless you are ready to give up 3-4 ft-lbs of power.
Regards,
Sam.
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Re: Pellets Pointed vs Wadcutter ?

Msg. 108599  Posted by Homer on May 03, 1999 at 05:12:35:

In Reply to: Pellets Pointed vs Wadcutter ? posted by George on May 03, 1999 at 02:09:59:

Since I get such poor accuracy from pointed pellets I wouldnt even consider hunting with them. Penitration doesnt mean much if you miss.Id go with the wadcutter especially if i was hoping for a quick stop-like before the sucker can get under the porch to die. At long range you will have to go with the pellet your gun likes best,again because you must first hit the game. For me, its Cr Premiers for long range. Nothing else groups nearly as well with my RWS or Cr .22s
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Re: BENJAMIN 397----OR---BSA SUPERSPORT / I FEEL YOUR PAIN

Msg. 108598  Posted by Steven Flannery on May 03, 1999 at 05:09:44:

In Reply to: Re: BENJAMIN 397----OR---BSA SUPERSPORT posted by Mark Lemm on May 03, 1999 at 03:27:34:

Bob,
Hmm you sound just like me. I am getting the Benjamin 22 soon thanks to E Fudd. He cleared up my questions about
purchasing a decent gun. I have only 100$ bucks to spend and I live in the city. I have a decent sized backyard and
like to target shoot and take out the occasional grackle. The main factors that made me make up my mind where...

1. Area: I only have so much space so I don't need that long range, but the range that I have I want a good pack to the
punch!
2. Price: I only have 100 bucks or else I would go buy a nice 500$ gun.
3. Neighbors: One of my neighbors doesn't like BB guns, So no more picking birds off there roof.
4. City: Laws that say no firearms are a hassle so I just want a decent in case I cant shoot any more.

I hope you don't need to contend to these factors. But if you do I hope that helped. I cant answer any of your other
questions, But E Fudd said that you can get a Mac-1 upgrade that can add more power to the 22 Benjamin. I urge you
to read the messages people have written me.... You can find them under my name on the main Forum Page or just
click the link.....

http://www.airgunletter.null/forum/messages/108151.html

A lot of people have helped me out!!!

Sincerely. Steven Flannery

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Re: ok

Msg. 108597  Posted by Steven Flannery on May 03, 1999 at 04:50:26:

In Reply to: Re: That info helped!!! posted by E Fudd on May 03, 1999 at 01:33:18:

Ok thanks for your help.
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pro-elite performance

Msg. 108596  Posted by Mark_F on May 03, 1999 at 04:43:39:

i need reliable performance numbers of a pro-elite 5.5 mm, out of box, with no tuning
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Russ, you didn't answer... which is more powerful? nt

Msg. 108595  Posted by Marv on May 03, 1999 at 04:38:33:

In Reply to: Re: PE vs. 48 posted by RBest on May 02, 1999 at 11:55:22:

nt
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Re: Slings

Msg. 108594  Posted by Conrad on May 03, 1999 at 04:15:41:

In Reply to: Slings posted by Mike on April 30, 1999 at 20:54:17:

I put one on my Kodiak.

The metal attachments (swivel?) where
from uncle mikes thru a sporting goods
store.

The sling is a standard rifle sling. Make
sure that it is long enough.

It attaches to the barrel and to the stock
There is a screw that you remove and drill
out a bit.
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Re: YOU MIGHT BE AN AIRGUNNER, IF...

Msg. 108593  Posted by Todd on May 03, 1999 at 04:08:11:

In Reply to: Re: YOU MIGHT BE AN AIRGUNNER, IF... posted by RBest on May 03, 1999 at 00:26:53:

You're absolutely right, Russ. There likely would
have been legal ramifications if that had happened
over here. I should probably make it clear, though,
that the guy was hit with richochet out of a tree and
must have been 100 yards away when he was hit. Still
a bad thing to happen, but I sure didn't TARGET the
guy as it might have sounded! :)

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Re: BENJAMIN 397----OR---BSA SUPERSPORT

Msg. 108592  Posted by Mark Lemm on May 03, 1999 at 03:27:34:

In Reply to: BENJAMIN 397----OR---BSA SUPERSPORT posted by bob on May 03, 1999 at 02:47:44:

Hi Bob, I hate to do this to you but I wouldn't get either one. The Sheridan is a nice rifle but a pain to put a scope because it makes it hard to pump. I'd head over to StraightShooters and check out their package deals on either the Bearcub or R9 in .177. Both are lightweight and accurate and better in quality IMHO than either of these two rifles. You'll spend a little more money but I think it's worth in in the long run.

If you have to choose between the two rifles than the SuperSport wins I think becasue it takes a scope better but you still have to buy those darn expensive B-Square mounts because the rails are non-standard.

Good luck.

-Mark
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Re: Pellets Pointed vs Wadcutter ?: id go for round or HP myself

Msg. 108591  Posted by M Boyle on May 03, 1999 at 03:02:57:

In Reply to: Pellets Pointed vs Wadcutter ? posted by George on May 03, 1999 at 02:09:59:


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BENJAMIN 397----OR---BSA SUPERSPORT

Msg. 108590  Posted by bob on May 03, 1999 at 02:47:44:

IM considering purchasing one of these guns, but have question about both--im planning on going with .177 from what i hear its best for long range accuracy, i mean from what i understand that .177 will travel faster and farther and will drop less than lets say a .22 which i could get in these guns-but i simply want accuracy im only hunting for grackls and if a wabbit did come along i think id still rather have accuracy in 177 over 22 for k.nullic energy-( headshot)-anyway--i want to scope the gun i choose--is the benjamin scope mount any good ( intermount).will it work--i shot a 20 cal sheridan today and love the recoiless shot but i hated to pump it up 8 times-THE TRIGGER ABSOLUTLY SUCKED ON THIS GUN-- can i get better trigger for the benjamin 397---is the bsa gonna have harsh recoil would it shoot as good as the recoiless benjamin-----PLEASE HELP ME DECIDE WHICH ONE OF THESE FINE GUNS TO CHOOSE-THANKS
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Pellets Pointed vs Wadcutter ?

Msg. 108589  Posted by George on May 03, 1999 at 02:09:59:

What is the most lethal pellet for small game at short ranges (10-20 yds max) pointed, or wadcutter. I can see the pointed p.nullrating deeper, but I would think that the flat pellet would do more damage over a shorter distance.
Thanx !
GVB
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Re: Hunting Grounds Around OC?`

Msg. 108588  Posted by jcbii on May 03, 1999 at 01:54:52:

In Reply to: Re: Hunting Grounds Around OC?` posted by David on May 01, 1999 at 16:30:05:

Forgot to say, I don't know of anyplace yet, but I have just regained an interest in airguns so never really looked. I was told that I might be able to find out about places to hunt/shoot through CASA (California Airgun Shooters Association). Their number has been posted on this forum a couple of times, but I do not have it at this moment.
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Re: .22 what is the best for the price/performance

Msg. 108587  Posted by jcbii on May 03, 1999 at 01:48:04:

In Reply to: Re: .22 what is the best for the price/performance posted by M Boyle on April 29, 1999 at 03:29:32:

Your kidding about the gophers right? I've dispatched them with a Beeman 850 shooting at approx 410 to 450fps (.177cal). Now groundhogs would be a different story.
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Re: Career

Msg. 108586  Posted by Tom Holst on May 03, 1999 at 01:36:42:

In Reply to: Career -vs- Saver...Trying to decide which one. posted by TM on April 28, 1999 at 23:03:13:

TM if you would decide on a Career 707 e-mail me and I'll give you a good price on one. I found the Careers to be a great gun.
Tom Holst
tholst@null.null
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Re: That info helped!!!

Msg. 108585  Posted by E Fudd on May 03, 1999 at 01:33:18:

In Reply to: Re: That info helped!!! posted by Steven Flannery on May 02, 1999 at 22:00:25:

If you go to the AGL mainpage you'll find it under airgun resources.
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Re: .22 cal firearm vs PCP: accuracy amp; SUB22HP noise level comparisons ?

Msg. 108584  Posted by Andrew Leung on May 03, 1999 at 01:10:38:

In Reply to: Re: .22 cal firearm vs PCP: accuracy amp; SUB22HP noise level comparisons ? posted by Greg J on May 02, 1999 at 23:08:01:

It is quieter than say high speed ammo...because it doesn't make a crack as it breaks the sound barrier
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Re: How are pellets formed?

Msg. 108583  Posted by RBest on May 03, 1999 at 00:36:21:

In Reply to: Re: How are pellets formed? posted by DonC on May 02, 1999 at 23:33:39:

Don: while lead wire is used in some processes, Crosman uses lead balls of an exact weight. I would assume the balls are fed to the die area, while the die is open. The dies close and a first "preform" or "coning' blow is struck. The second punch indexes over infront of the die and a second blow, or "finish" blow is struck forming the lead completely. The die would then open and drop the pellet down a chute. All this happens at high speed. In the wire feed machines, a cut off shear lops off a slug of exact length and transfers the slug to the front of the die. The same process described above then occurs. The wire is constantly fed from a roll that the machine keeps pulling into the shear area. I have repaired the type of machines used in this process, although I've only seen similar products made, but not pellets. Regards, Russ
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Re: favorite field target gun

Msg. 108582  Posted by Mark Lemm on May 03, 1999 at 00:29:45:

In Reply to: favorite field target gun posted by Tim Baker on May 02, 1999 at 09:47:41:

Shot FT this past weekend, it was REAL windy though had to aim 3 inches of center at 20 yds just to get a hit. It sure was challanging though. For FT here are your best choices:

For Springers:

1) TX 200
2) HW 97
3) Superstar

For PCP

1) Daystate
2) ProTarget
3) Mako

I'm getting an HW 77 for FT and light hunting because I don't like PCP. The TX is all the range for FT in springers but I don't like the anti-beartrap and prefer a 97 or 77. Any of the 3 PCP's will do just fine for FT they are all great looking and great shooting rifles. If I had to pick one it would be the Mako because it's a Beeman so you know what your getting after the sale. Wish you lived in CA and you could shoot at our club. Good luck with your choice and enjoy FT.

-Mark Lemm
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Re: YOU MIGHT BE AN AIRGUNNER, IF...

Msg. 108581  Posted by RBest on May 03, 1999 at 00:26:53:

In Reply to: YOU MIGHT BE AN AIRGUNNER, IF... posted by ToddN on May 02, 1999 at 23:01:55:

Todd: good ones except for the last. I can tell you didn't spend your youth in the continental US. Why? Because the neighbor would have been accompanied by a police officer and an attorney, and the threats would have been much more financial in nature. :>) Russ
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Re: SuperSport Problem - Help!

Msg. 108580  Posted by RBest on May 03, 1999 at 00:22:31:

In Reply to: Re: SuperSport Problem - Help! posted by Jerry Rjodes on May 02, 1999 at 21:54:41:

Another thing to check is the safety position and anti-beartrap unit on the side of the trigger housing. The spring may have come off the clip, or is in the wrong position. Move the safety lever back and forth a couple times first, then try it. If that doesn't do it, remove the stock and look at the side of the trigger block. Regards, Russ
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Re: Pellet cleaning

Msg. 108579  Posted by DSmit on May 03, 1999 at 00:18:20:

In Reply to: Re: Pellet cleaning posted by Wade on May 02, 1999 at 21:06:43:

Whoa, Wade - easy! Didn't mean to offend; just
relaying what I thought might be useful
information. I know Gamo's pellets are dirtier
than Copperheads, but I gave up on El Gamo's
when the rifle wouldn't shoot 'em accurately.
Haven't got to the Crosman's yet - if true, I'd
better give 'em a good scrubbing before I use 'em!

I agree totally on using something that's
effective, but, Wade, 2 of the active ingredients
in Castrol Super Clean are sodium silicate
(silicic acid) and sodium hydroxide (lye). DonC
seemed to be concerned about exposure to
potentially hazardous materials - wouldn't those
two qualify? BTW - what's Mean Green? Is it
related to Simple Green? Couldn't find it on the
Simple Green web site.

As far as using paper towels rather than hand
towels - I use paper towels primarily to avoid
the possibility of someone grabbing a towel I
just used to clean lead pellets and getting lead
residues on their hands or face. Got kids running
loose around here - can't be too careful.

I use the toothbrush because the Simple Green is,
as you imply, a weaker cleaning solution. Might
not even make a difference, but it works for me.
Also, when I rinse the pellets I tend to stir them
with my fingertips - haven't found an agitator
that works better for small objects, especially
ones that are soft and easily damaged.

In short - use what works best for you, but please
don't slam me for voicing legitimate concerns.


DSmit
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Re: Airgun Scope - lower end

Msg. 108578  Posted by wigns on May 02, 1999 at 23:55:14:

In Reply to: Airgun Scope - lower end posted by Scubablizz on May 02, 1999 at 19:54:03:

a Tasco Pronghorn 2.5x20 has held up just fine on my supersport .22
with Weaver mounts ...35$
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Re: Pellet cleaning

Msg. 108577  Posted by DonC on May 02, 1999 at 23:46:51:

In Reply to: Re: Pellet cleaning posted by Jim Baumann on May 02, 1999 at 18:50:57:

Boy that sonic cleaner is a great idea. I still have one from the days I used to use technical pens for drafting. I just found it after a long search. Sounds like you don't need to worry about deforming the skirts from agitation too.
thanks to all,
Don
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Re: How are pellets formed?

Msg. 108576  Posted by DonC on May 02, 1999 at 23:33:39:

In Reply to: Re: How are pellets formed? posted by RBest on May 02, 1999 at 20:15:10:

I was told and read in a Brit mag that the material feeding the machine is a lead wire of exact diameter and the stamping dies will yield an exact (or close to exact) weight pellet after the stamping. I really can't visualize how the dies make the shapes however.
Yo,
Don
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Re: Congratulations Bubba

Msg. 108575  Posted by Garry L on May 02, 1999 at 23:31:46:

In Reply to: Re: Congratulations Bubba posted by Bubba on May 02, 1999 at 22:51:13:

Bubba's idea of tailgating is anything closer than 300 yards.He wined and cryed like a old woman all the way there and back,its a no wonder that I'm still single!Goin have to bill him for the finger impression damage on my dash board.
Garry
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Re: Easy cocking effort pistol

Msg. 108574  Posted by Charles on May 02, 1999 at 23:13:44:

In Reply to: Easy cocking effort pistol posted by JR on May 02, 1999 at 20:30:07:

I would second the Tau-7. A lot of airgun for the
money. An since it is CO2 it is easy to cock
and inexpensive to shoot if you use bulk fill.
check out www.epistols.com. Charles
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Re: .22 cal firearm vs PCP: accuracy amp; SUB22HP noise level comparisons ?

Msg. 108573  Posted by Greg J on May 02, 1999 at 23:08:01:

In Reply to: Re: .22 cal firearm vs PCP: accuracy amp; SUB22HP noise level comparisons ? posted by Andrew Leung on May 01, 1999 at 01:22:03:

Andrew, is the subsonic .22 considerably quiter than reg. ammo?
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Re: rebarrel a RWS48

Msg. 108572  Posted by Rada on May 02, 1999 at 23:07:34:

In Reply to: rebarrel a RWS48 posted by Jim B.in Nv. on May 01, 1999 at 22:49:18:

I originaly bought by 48 in .177 and had Pomona air rebarrel it to .22. I would recomend them as I would recomend the change. It became much more plesant rifle and it hits harder now.Sorry I dont have the number at hand but I think it is on this web site at the bottom.
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YOU MIGHT BE AN AIRGUNNER, IF...

Msg. 108571  Posted by ToddN on May 02, 1999 at 23:01:55:

...it took you eight years to bag a crow (don't ask)

...as a kid you haplessly discharged your gun inside
the house and no one ever knew the better.

...you have a 300ft.lb cannon of a PCP but don't shoot
cartridge rifles.

...you have a shooting range in your bedroom.

...your favorite gun is which ever one you happen
to be shooting.

...the 21 gun salute at your funeral was a strangely
quiet affair.

...you were involved in a hunting accident and your
partner is just glad you didn't nail him with a 14gr.
heavyweight...or it might have REALLY stung.

...you're tickled pink to learn that NATO uses air
power too.

...crouching in the corner of a dark, dusty, rat-infested
building is your idea of a good time.

...you're swapping big-game stories and possums and
raccoons top the list.

..."BLAM! BLAM! BOOM! boing" ...is a sound bite from the
range, and you're the "boing"

...you have a name like "PelletHead"

...you've walked into a diving shop and had people
scrambling for cover.

...shooting aluminum cans is an ammo lethality test.

...for humane reasons you're advised to restrict your
hunting shots to reasonable ranges, and anything over
30 yards would be real stupid.

...as a kid you were ever in the middle of a spirited
shooting spree in your back yard and had it interrupted
by a hysterical neighbor, stabbing at a curious red
welt in the middle of his forehead, and hollering
something mostly unrepeatable about being more careful
where you're aiming. (again, don't ask)



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Re: IZH-46, can anything come close for the price?

Msg. 108570  Posted by Rada on May 02, 1999 at 23:01:40:

In Reply to: IZH-46, can anything come close for the price? posted by J R on May 02, 1999 at 07:24:14:

The Tau-7 and the Chameleon are close in price. $250.00 for the Tau-7 and $315.00 for the Chameleon at epistol.com.
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Re: Tasco 6-24x44 $170 @ Wal-Mart

Msg. 108569  Posted by greg j on May 02, 1999 at 23:01:33:

In Reply to: Tasco 6-24x44 $170 @ Wal-Mart posted by vZc on May 01, 1999 at 21:38:47:

Natchez still selling the B+L 6x18 Trophy for $119

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Re: HW-97 New or Not

Msg. 108567  Posted by Paul Watts on May 02, 1999 at 22:58:53:

In Reply to: HW-97 New or Not posted by Jim P on May 02, 1999 at 17:47:06:

All the last couple of shipments of 97's had the same piston seal as the R9 (1.025), hence a bigger ID compression tube. The older 77's and 97's had a .984 OD piston seal. Close to the same thing a TX200 has. Matter of fact I've converted an older 97 over to a TX piston seal once to get the power up. If someone is a stocking dealer there is a very good chance you can get the smaller piston. It really isn't that big a deal. HW probably made the move to reduce the amount of parts that they needed to make.

Paul Watts

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Re: Easy cocking effort pistol

Msg. 108566  Posted by Rada on May 02, 1999 at 22:52:42:

In Reply to: Easy cocking effort pistol posted by JR on May 02, 1999 at 20:30:07:

Have you looked at the Chameleon or the Tau-7? Both are light enough for small folks. The Tau-7 has weights behind the rear sight to make it more neutral balance for yougsters.
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Re: Congratulations Bubba

Msg. 108565  Posted by Bubba on May 02, 1999 at 22:51:13:

In Reply to: Congratulations Bubba posted by RBest on May 02, 1999 at 12:55:34:

Yup, Russ, all that clean living and pure thoughts finally paid off. The driver was Gary Lowrance. I see that he is still alive, from the date on his post to this forum. Next time I will not forget the helmet, and fireproof suit. I want one of those five or six point seat belts too. I think a full roll cage would add to the feeling of security as well.

Respectfully,
Bubba
Head of Operations at the Southern Test Facility

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Re: How do you find info on Tanker Carbine?? (NT)

Msg. 108564  Posted by Alex Roehm on May 02, 1999 at 22:39:17:

In Reply to: Re: How do you find info on Tanker Carbine?? (NT) posted by Sligh on May 01, 1999 at 20:17:42:

I have been getting some info on the Tanker Carbine and I can't wait till I can get my hands on one. But my wife does want to see what I spend the rent money on so...does anyone have or know of any pictures?
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Nevermind, I believe they were made by El Gamo nt

Msg. 108563  Posted by Bill S. on May 02, 1999 at 22:36:23:

In Reply to: Stuart air rifles posted by Bill S. on May 02, 1999 at 15:20:31:



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Women

Msg. 108562  Posted by Bubba on May 02, 1999 at 22:32:15:

In Reply to: Re: I WON THE DOOR PRIZE FRIDAY posted by The Airgun Letter on May 02, 1999 at 17:26:37:

Many.

Bubba

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What do you want to know? Historical or functional info?

Msg. 108561  Posted by Roger Yost on May 02, 1999 at 22:22:24:

In Reply to: Crossman 38C posted by Ken on May 02, 1999 at 15:03:00:


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Thanks...our sport needs more of you! NT

Msg. 108560  Posted by MikeD on May 02, 1999 at 22:19:37:

In Reply to: Introduced about a dozen to airguns on Saturday. It was fun! posted by Robert Tatro on May 02, 1999 at 20:24:40:



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Re: Easy cocking effort pistol

Msg. 108559  Posted by MikeD on May 02, 1999 at 22:17:54:

In Reply to: Easy cocking effort pistol posted by JR on May 02, 1999 at 20:30:07:


Well, it sorta falls down on the small and light part, but nothing with a built-in powerplant is easier to cock than the classic FWB 65.
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Re: Pellet Questions

Msg. 108558  Posted by CJ on May 02, 1999 at 22:13:09:

In Reply to: Pellet Questions posted by Eric Field on May 02, 1999 at 16:34:41:

I found that my Gamo prefers RWS Meisterkuglen 8.2g.

Craig
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Firearm bolt action conversion or adapter to PCP ?

Msg. 108557  Posted by vZc on May 02, 1999 at 22:09:32:

Anybody ever try or implement ?
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Re: Small game hunters in Detroit area ?

Msg. 108556  Posted by Kurt on May 02, 1999 at 22:04:20:

In Reply to: Small game hunters in Detroit area ? posted by Ted on May 02, 1999 at 20:10:27:

Livonia here......pigeon's, rat's, what cha got in mind??
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Re: Walther model#LP53

Msg. 108555  Posted by chasm on May 02, 1999 at 22:01:46:

In Reply to: Walther model#LP53 posted by Arthur Bernard on May 02, 1999 at 12:58:32:

Arthur,

I bought an LP-53 in Bremen in 1966 for $33.00. I still have it and will never sell it. At Little Rock someone knowledgeable told me that it was worth about $400.00. HTH

chasm

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Re: That info helped!!!

Msg. 108554  Posted by Steven Flannery on May 02, 1999 at 22:00:25:

In Reply to: Re: SHOOTING IN THE CITY?/ LAWS / WHAT GUN IS BEST FOR ME? posted by E Fudd on May 02, 1999 at 17:13:40:

Thanks for the info that really helped me a lot!!! I think I will look into getting a 22 rather than a 177. Do you know the web page for Mac-1?
Sincerely, Steven Flannery
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Little Rock

Msg. 108553  Posted by chasm on May 02, 1999 at 21:56:39:

Y'all need to go! Call me and I'll tell you why. (512) 480 0089

chasm
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Re: SuperSport Problem - Help!

Msg. 108552  Posted by Jerry Rjodes on May 02, 1999 at 21:54:41:

In Reply to: SuperSport Problem - Help! posted by John Z on May 02, 1999 at 21:28:15:

John,

Sounds like your sear isn't latching.

Look on the trigger. Down in that hole is an allen screw. Screwing it in increases the engagement of the sear. Try turning it in clockwise. You will have the rifle upsidedown and looking at it from the bottom. The adjustment is very subtle and an you may have to take a full turn or two.

Jerry
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Re: You are incorrect. / Hmm maybe this can help..

Msg. 108551  Posted by Steven Flannery on May 02, 1999 at 21:46:06:

In Reply to: Re: You are incorrect. / I hope he is. posted by E Fudd on May 02, 1999 at 17:33:22:

Thanks for the advise! The situation with my neighbor is a concern considering that is the only neighbor that has a
problem. What happened to the good old days when you could fire off your brand new 22 rifle in the backyard and
you would be the envy of your block? Oh well times change as well as laws. I am making a web page about me and
my BB gun. I make pages for a hobby. I will put up some digital pictures of my backyard and perhaps you can suggest
future precautions. I have a shed that I shoot from inside. Thus the sound is muffled a little bit. Well I have to go
watch the X-Files.
Sincerely, Steven Flannery
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URAMEX PISTOLS?

Msg. 108550  Posted by RickC on May 02, 1999 at 21:45:46:

I was wondering about the uramex pistols,
Can you move the slide on it?
How do you load the mag.?
Are they accurate?
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I am sure Russ Best will help...maybe a trigger adjust problem?

Msg. 108549  Posted by Robert Tatro on May 02, 1999 at 21:38:03:

In Reply to: SuperSport Problem - Help! posted by John Z on May 02, 1999 at 21:28:15:

I have not attempted to adjust my SSpt trigger and have no cocking problems. Bob
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SuperSport Problem - Help!

Msg. 108548  Posted by John Z on May 02, 1999 at 21:28:15:

I have a SuperSport .22 about a year old. Just this weekend when we were shooting I started having a problem with cocking the rifle. It seems to cock but the trigger is not being engaged. The only way that I seem to be able to engage the trigger is to double cock the barrel forcing it further backwards. Any idea what the problem might be? I am ok mechanically, but don't know a whole lot about the insides of an air rifle.

Would appreciate any help you might be able to offer. You all have been a constant source of information to me.

Thanks in advance.
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Re: To IM or not to IM

Msg. 108547  Posted by BSJ on May 02, 1999 at 21:26:32:

In Reply to: To IM or not to IM posted by Russ Best on May 02, 1999 at 02:19:27:

You can close IM and shut it off. You can turn off the the "auto login" too annd it wont hook up when you start the PC. Brian
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Hey, Lou...

Msg. 108546  Posted by Wade on May 02, 1999 at 21:26:17:

In Reply to: Hey Wade posted by LOU V.K. on May 02, 1999 at 17:07:39:

I must admit that is true, BUT, I haven't fished
for bass too many times that the bait was big
enough for frying. The first time he handed me
that rig he said "just LOB it over there" and
he wasn't kidding. He said we were fishing for
the 10 pounders and up, and by the looks of that
hook and the size of the line I knew he wasn't
foolin'. Enjoyed every second of Harolds company.
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Re: If you ever get a chance to go to a airgun show....

Msg. 108545  Posted by The Master Blaster on May 02, 1999 at 21:26:05:

In Reply to: If you ever get a chance to go to a airgun show.... posted by PAL on May 01, 1999 at 18:46:09:


Many thanks to the people at US AIRGUN,

for another great show. Thats right, I was there , the good looking guy walking around, in a tie and white shirt like some FBI type.

1st place , biggest bang, (a tie), Krugs 9mm Career on high power and Gary Barnes for anything he shot.

Ist place for biggest story telling, Mike Reams;
Can ya really fit 30 girls in one hot tub Mike?

Ist place for sweetest new toy, Webley Axsor.
Thanks Krugs. This gun, is light, good looking, well made, well balanced, multi-shot, and 1 hole at 35 yds.

It was good meeting ya TOM, maybe you could offer a subscription for your reviews.

See Ya next year.

DGO
The Master Blaster
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Re: Political correctness and our airguns.

Msg. 108544  Posted by Roger on May 02, 1999 at 21:25:35:

In Reply to: Political correctness and our airguns. posted by wved on May 02, 1999 at 19:11:55:

Nice Rant. Remember it the next time you see or hear from someone who says that they do not vote. Remember, we have the right to revolution with every general election. If you don't trust the bastards, vote 'em out of office.
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He is the Artist - Formally known as Dave Matticks (nt)

Msg. 108543  Posted by Wade on May 02, 1999 at 21:15:26:

In Reply to: Re: Dave's Rifle posted by Mike Reames on May 02, 1999 at 18:24:19:


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Re: Crosman 140 barrel value?

Msg. 108542  Posted by jcbii on May 02, 1999 at 21:14:21:

In Reply to: Re: Crosman 140 barrel value? posted by D. V. Richardson on May 02, 1999 at 20:36:48:

I thought I saw a post here that said Mac-1 works on those guns. You may want to contact him re: your 140.
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Re: Which PCP

Msg. 108541  Posted by MR Bulk� on May 02, 1999 at 21:11:22:

In Reply to: Re: Which PCP posted by LOU V.K. on May 02, 1999 at 10:15:58:

Yes Lou, that used to be my second-favorite hobby, that is until MRS Bulk� snagged me!

MR Bulk�


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Re: Tank Removal..........THANKS, Ron! (nt)

Msg. 108540  Posted by MR Bulk� on May 02, 1999 at 21:08:12:

In Reply to: Tank Removal.......... posted by Ron B on May 02, 1999 at 08:10:51:


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Re: Pellet cleaning

Msg. 108539  Posted by Wade on May 02, 1999 at 21:06:43:

In Reply to: Re: Pellet cleaning posted by DSmit on May 02, 1999 at 19:09:38:

DSmit, Copperheads are no where near as dirty as
Premiers! Any ole thing would work fine for their
level of contamination, but if you are going to
do a job, why not do it the best you can? BTW,
the degreaser goes on the pellets - not the hands.
There is no need for the toothbrush either, if you
use the Castrol - just a little adgitation. Oh yea,
use a hand towel to pour the pellets on to and
use your hair dryer to blow dry them. This saves
time and dries them much better as it blows the
captured droplets out of the skirt cavities and
evaporation works quicker. It will also make a
tree hugger happier. Wade
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Re: Priorties.and Serbia

Msg. 108538  Posted by carlos on May 02, 1999 at 20:57:03:

In Reply to: Re: Priorties.and Serbia posted by Jim B.in Nv. on May 02, 1999 at 18:13:51:

The religious warfare you speak of goes back to the time of the Crusades when the not-so-Christian Europeans went into Middle East and decided they wanted to cleanse the Holy Land of the infadel Muslims who had been living in relative peace with their Christian and Jewish neighbors for roughly 4 centuries. You're correct about the Serb's being persecuted by the Muslims but all that ended with Marshall Titov after WWII which I think ended long before most Serbs alive today were born. Besides no where in any Christian bible that I heard of does it say to go out and kill your neighbor because they aren't of your faith. I believe this is true of the Koran as well. Those who seek power over their fellow man will use any excuse to further the aims, political, religious or otherwise. If you ever visit Central or Eastern Europe, go visit one of the Holocaust camps where incidentally Serb, Muslim, Jew and many other were killed side by side. Hitler's rhetoric doesn't sound to much different to me the Milosevicj's.
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Re: Pellet Questions

Msg. 108537  Posted by wved on May 02, 1999 at 20:54:57:

In Reply to: Re: Pellet Questions posted by RBest on May 02, 1999 at 19:42:06:

I agree with Russ's statement "shoot what's most accurate in your gun"!. My 700fps HW35 with Blue Meisters, and head shots, will drop a sq with just a couple twitches out to 30yds, past 40yds with my R10 and heavier RWS Supermag wadcutters. I still use CPLs in thr R10 though for everything because it's the most accurate pellet in my gun. IMHO, with headshots on sq's and rabbits, it doesn't matter what pellet you use. wved
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Re: where to buy 3000psi compressor? How much? n/t

Msg. 108536  Posted by Wade on May 02, 1999 at 20:52:00:

In Reply to: where to buy 3000psi compressor? How much? n/t posted by David L on May 02, 1999 at 17:52:55:

I will have a Typhoon for sale in a few weeks.
When my Bauer comes in and is up and running,
the Typhoon will be for sale for around $1000
+ freight. Wade
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Re: Crosman 140 barrel value?

Msg. 108535  Posted by D. V. Richardson on May 02, 1999 at 20:36:48:

In Reply to: Re: Crosman 140 barrel value? posted by LOU V.K. on May 02, 1999 at 11:32:04:

I have a model 140 rifle that suddenly started
leaking down the air pressure pumped into the gun
all within minutes of the Pumping. I understand
that these very good air guns are no longer
serviced by Crossman. Do you know of others who
might still service these guns? If so, please
advise. Thank You
Del, w0oxy@null.null


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Re: Introduced about a dozen to airguns on Saturday. It was fun!

Msg. 108534  Posted by RBest on May 02, 1999 at 20:31:41:

In Reply to: Introduced about a dozen to airguns on Saturday. It was fun! posted by Robert Tatro on May 02, 1999 at 20:24:40:

Bob: good show! It never hurts to introduce folks to the fun of shooting sports, and to show them that shooters don't have to kill something in order to have a relaxing afternoon. Regards, Russ
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Easy cocking effort pistol

Msg. 108533  Posted by JR on May 02, 1999 at 20:30:07:

Which one would you buy for a 13 year old girl
with a good eye but not huge biceps.? The Izh-46 is
great but is there something a little different that
is as accurate? Do I have to buy another one for her
It's kinda cool but she'd probably like a smaller
frame gun. Thanks
JR
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Introduced about a dozen to airguns on Saturday. It was fun!

Msg. 108532  Posted by Robert Tatro on May 02, 1999 at 20:24:40:

On Saturday, my boss held an employee appreciation party at his 60 acre farm.
He requested that I bring my 54, PE, and SSpt.
I got to introduce an enthusiastic crowd to my guns. We had fun shooting Shoot 'N See targets at 50 yds and metal flip targets at 30 yds.
I promised one animal lover to leave the sparrows and starlings alone for a day.
We plan to do this again! I was very careful with the barrel pointing directions and cocking methods. Bob Tatro

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Re: Airgun Scope - lower end

Msg. 108531  Posted by RBest on May 02, 1999 at 20:16:43:

In Reply to: Airgun Scope - lower end posted by Scubablizz on May 02, 1999 at 19:54:03:

We're using Leupold, Simmons, BSA, Tasco, Bausch and Lomb, etc. Russ
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Re: How are pellets formed?

Msg. 108530  Posted by RBest on May 02, 1999 at 20:15:10:

In Reply to: How are pellets formed? posted by Jim on May 02, 1999 at 20:08:49:

It can be done with split ( two piece) dies in one or two blows on a heading nachine. Russ
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Small game hunters in Detroit area ?

Msg. 108529  Posted by Ted on May 02, 1999 at 20:10:27:

I just wonder... Are there any airguners interested in small game hunting in Detroit area?
Wayne or Oakland county? Any other counties? Please drop me a line !
Ted
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How are pellets formed?

Msg. 108528  Posted by Jim on May 02, 1999 at 20:08:49:

I was wondering how pellets are formed. It seems like it would be a difficult process with the thin wastes & hollow skirts & such. Do they go through a two or three stage swaging process?... You can see that my ignorance is getting the best of my thinker right now.

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Re: Airgun Addiction: the new 12 step group

Msg. 108527  Posted by John M on May 02, 1999 at 20:05:19:

In Reply to: Re: Airgun Addiction: the new 12 step group posted by LOU V.K. on April 30, 1999 at 22:11:28:

I don't know about the 12 steps, but the serenity prayer has some merit. You know, the one that goes:

"Give me the serenity to live with the things I can't change,
The strengths to change the things I can,
And the wisdom to know the diference between the two"

I may have finally reached the age where I am wise enough to know I am an airgun addict, and it won't ever change.


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Airgun Scope - lower end

Msg. 108526  Posted by Scubablizz on May 02, 1999 at 19:54:03:

Hi:

I want a scope for a hunting airgun, 4 X 12 or perhaps 6 X 18. Where should I be looking, I can't afford a Leapold. BSA, Simmons, Bushnell, Tasco, any comments? What are you guys using? Thanks...
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Re: New RWS took a dump ! HELP !

Msg. 108525  Posted by RBest on May 02, 1999 at 19:46:45:

In Reply to: New RWS took a dump ! HELP ! posted by William on May 02, 1999 at 15:38:28:

Bill: I know I'm not the only one saying this-- avoid the use of heavy pellets in most springers. The Crow Mag pellet is heavy in .22 caliber. heavy pellets in springers WILL shorten spring life. Add them to a gun with already dubious springs ( the 48/52/54 series) and you have a recipe for early breakage. Regards, Russ
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Re: Pellet Questions

Msg. 108524  Posted by RBest on May 02, 1999 at 19:42:06:

In Reply to: Re: Pellet Questions posted by WZA on May 02, 1999 at 18:25:33:

I generally make no distinction with pellets for target or hunting purposes. I DO use whatever shoots best in my guns for both purposes. Why use a super accurate pellet for paper punching, then change to a less than perfect pellet for hunting- when you really need the accuracy for a humane kill? If you can hit the lethal zone, it makes no difference what pellet you use. Generally--- I prefer domed pellets. Regards, Russ
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Re: BSA Excalibur pellets

Msg. 108523  Posted by RBest on May 02, 1999 at 19:36:27:

In Reply to: BSA Excalibur pellets posted by Jon on May 02, 1999 at 18:46:40:

Jon: I have a couple guns that like these pellets just fine. One is my PE. My BSA Superstar also likes them. Both these guns are .22 caliber. Regards, Russ
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Political correctness and our airguns.

Msg. 108522  Posted by wved on May 02, 1999 at 19:11:55:

Please allow me to share some PERSONAL opinions & comments about the Colorado shooting and our governments role in protecting us. Why don't ya never hear anything about tha 30 bombs those kids made at home (only about controlling the access of guns to the LAW ABIDING citizen? If just one of the strapped to propane tanks in the cafeteria went up first, there would have been a lot more deaths and destruction. Of course we know that the liberal gun stealers are just using this as an end to a political adjenda, i.e. get guns out of the hands of the law-abiding citizen. Those "kids" broke every "gun law" plus murder, yet the government still wants to take away my only means of protection against such violent ones. The carnage at the school just goes to show how the unprotected and armed can be brutalized by the criminal. Reports stated that the killers only commited suicide after receiving fire from an armed "hall guard" and seeing the swat team. This is clearly a case of where those who were ARMED stopped the slaughter (remember the propane tanks & bombs?) but didn't stop those "kids" from taking an arsenal into a public school. Common sense, personal responsibility and constitutional rule have fled Washington, to be replaced by citizen controlling the law abiding citized and politically correct fixes to social problems i.e. the gun made them do it (puke). It seems that most citizens (if ya believe polls) are content as long as the slop & swill flow into the national feeding trough ("economy is good") until butcherin' day. This affects our airgun ownership also, it isn't the danger of the 20fp arms that is the issue, but the governments fear of a population that knows how to defend itself if needed. Man, with "it bepends on what the definition of is, is", bombing in Europe & Africa & the middle east, a Chinese agent stealing our national defense secrets and putting them on an unprotected server, putting our troops under the command of foreign officers, actively trying to disarm us (airguns and all), etc. etc., I sure wish the "other guy" won! My political rant of the month, wved
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Re: Pellet cleaning

Msg. 108521  Posted by DSmit on May 02, 1999 at 19:09:38:

In Reply to: Pellet cleaning posted by DonC on May 02, 1999 at 09:44:53:

Don:
Put me down for a 'yea' on Simple Green - I used
some on a couple of batches of Copperhead pellets
and it worked just fine. Put the pellets in a
platic bowl, put in enough S.G. to cover, scrub
'em with an old toothbrush, rinse with lots of hot
water and dry with paper towels.

Haven't tried the degreaser from Castrol - it'd
probably work, but when I used it to degrease a
truck it felt like it was dissolving the skin on
my hands. Worried me a bit, it did.

HTH

DSmit
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Match results MCFand G / opensight rifle and opensight pistol FT match 5/1

Msg. 108520  Posted by Anthony Storey on May 02, 1999 at 19:01:34:

We had 27 targets out for our match.2 shots per target any self supporting position.Distance from 5 to 29 yards.Same course of fire for both rifle and pistol.Combined score of both events determined winner.Had to use gun with open/ironsights.Max foot pounds 25.Results are as follows: Pistol event we had a tie for first with Ed Ledbetter winning shoot-off 25 (Morini) Dave Dostie 25(Morini) Anthony Storey 22(Tau-7),Joe Jones 17(Walther CPM?),Don Hyfield 13(Tau-7), Darrell Mote 13(Tau-7),Jim Bauserman 11(IZH46), Howard Chapman 10(Walther CPM),Don Clark 3(IZH46).The rifle event results:Winner, Winer (same thing) Anthony Storey 41(Career 707 .177) Ed Ledbetter 39 (Career 707.177)Jim Bauserman 33(TX-200.177)Don Clark 30 (Old Sheridan Pump! .20)Darrell Mote 29(HW77.177)Don Hyfield 28(RWS 45.177)Dave Dostie 26(Supermax 1000)Howard Chapman 22(Crosman 160 obviously .22) Overall Results Match Winner Ed Ledbetter 64, Anthony Storey 63, Dave Dostie 51, Jim Bauserman 44,Darrell Mote 42,Don Hyfield 41,Don Clark 33,Howard Chapman 32.Thanks everyone for you participation and remember to bring you scoped pistols and rapid fire guns for any side shoots we may have.Next Match is on May 15 at 12 noon.Ft and Hunter class both.
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10 meter matchs Southern Calif.

Msg. 108519  Posted by Mako on May 02, 1999 at 18:57:13:

Fellow Airgunners of Southern California!

Starting with the next silhouette shoot at Angeles Ranges we are going to start an informal 10 meter shoot after the silhouette shoot.

We would like input ...

How about �regular� 10 meter pistol and rifle shooting following the usual basic rules (one handed pistols, iron sights), plus open 10 meter classes for scoped pistols and rifles. The open 10 meter class is because so many people have scoped airguns. Perhaps we could limit scope power to 6X (6.5, 9, whatever).

We are going to investigate an inexpensive way to bring targets up to regulation heights, but for now we will probably have to have the targets at ground level. Perhaps someone can find a cheaper source of pulley target holders that we could easily attach to the shooting stands and some type of temporary support out at 10 meters.

Nygord sells 10 meter pulley target holders for $150 retail each.

Silhouette shoots are held on the 1st Sunday of the month (CASA hosted) and the 3rd Saturday (Shadetree Shooters/NRA sanctioned) at the Angeles Shooting Ranges (800-499-4486) 12651 Little Tujunga Canyon Rd, San Fernando. Take the Osbor�v@
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Re: R1 Tune

Msg. 108518  Posted by Donovan Taylor on May 02, 1999 at 18:56:31:

In Reply to: Re: R1 Tune posted by JCBrown on May 02, 1999 at 07:02:11:

Thanks for the great info. I have ordered the book from Edith.

Enjoy every minute of your young girls. Time is too short.

Happy shooting (when you can)

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Re: Pellet Questions

Msg. 108517  Posted by DSmit on May 02, 1999 at 18:51:47:

In Reply to: Pellet Questions posted by Eric Field on May 02, 1999 at 16:34:41:

Eric:
Can't comment on the RX-1, but I've been doing
some pellet testing with my Gamo 880 in .177. So
far, I've found that the Gamo Magnum pellets were
not very accurate at all (3/4 in. groups at 25
ft.), Beeman Silver Bears are pretty accurate
(1/4 in. same range) but caused dieseling when
first used - went away after 3-5 rounds,
Copperhead pointed pellets wouldn't seat properly
in the breech but Copperhead match seated just
fine. Can't comment on Copperhead accuracy due to
scope mounting problems (see earlier post for
details). Still to test -
- Beeman Silver Jet (bought 'em before I heard
some negative posts about 'em);
- Crosman Premier (both heavy & light);
- Gamo Hunter (got one post recommending them);
- BSA Excalibur (got one post recommending them).

Like to test the Beeman Ram Jet & Kodiak pellets,
if I can find a local supplier.

Other than that - haven't hunted with the gun yet
so I'll refrain from commenting specifically on
what's better for hunting purposes. Generally
speaking though, for "quick kills", disruption of
the central nervous system is necessary on smaller
critters so I'd recommend a heavier pellet over a
lighter one.

Hope this helps,

DSmit
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Re: Pellet cleaning

Msg. 108516  Posted by Jim Baumann on May 02, 1999 at 18:50:57:

In Reply to: Pellet cleaning posted by DonC on May 02, 1999 at 09:44:53:

Hi Don:

I would have to go along with what Wade said; because he says he never cleans his barrels, and his guns, or at least he, sure does shoot well.

Bob Peiser used Naptha; but, this stuff is too dangerous, for my taste.

I use an ultra sonic cleaner to get everything moving; but, some, are much better that others, in this regard. It was Bob who got me into using the ultra sonic cleaner. Even with using mineral spirits, in the cleaner; it seems to remove a lot of the lead dust, and helps keep the barrel form loading up with lead.

However, I think that I am going to start using that Mean Green; or a least I am going to try in in my ultra sonic.

Jim Baumann

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BSA Excalibur pellets

Msg. 108515  Posted by Jon on May 02, 1999 at 18:46:40:

Has anyone ever tried these pellets? Are they any good? How do they compare to other pellets? Thanks.
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Re: IZH-46, can anything come close for the price?

Msg. 108514  Posted by JB on May 02, 1999 at 18:27:31:

In Reply to: IZH-46, can anything come close for the price? posted by J R on May 02, 1999 at 07:24:14:

Yeah, but when will they come out with one for lefties?
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Re: Pellet Questions

Msg. 108513  Posted by WZA on May 02, 1999 at 18:25:33:

In Reply to: Re: Pellet Questions posted by Nick on May 02, 1999 at 18:16:36:

Always try Crosman Premiers for long range plinking and hunting. In the Gamo, use the 7.9gr Premiers. The 10.5's might be too heavy to be that effective in the 440. Other good pellets in .177 are the Supermag, the Crow Mag, and the Silver Bear for in close (within 20yds) hunting. The Marksman FTS, Beeman Trophy, and RWS Superdome. In .22, the Crow Mag, FTS, Premier, Kodiak, Trophy, Superdome, and H&N are all good pellets to try out. For target shooting in .177, I use the RWS R10 8.3gr. Meisterkugelens and H&N Match are also good choices, and the MK's and H&N's are also available in .22. Stay away from pointed pellets and extremely light pellets. HTH
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Re: Dave's Rifle

Msg. 108512  Posted by Mike Reames on May 02, 1999 at 18:24:19:

In Reply to: Re: If you ever get a chance to go to a airgun show.... posted by Dave Matticks on May 02, 1999 at 17:15:03:

I had a chance at the show to put a few downrange in Dave's Custom Rifle. He built it, right down to a terrific Trigger. Very tasteful metal finish, wood to match, and the lock time on the trigger is about 1/40th of a nanosecond. Plus, it hits what it's aimed at. Mike
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Re: where to buy 3000psi compressor? How much? n/t

Msg. 108511  Posted by Harold J. on May 02, 1999 at 18:20:28:

In Reply to: where to buy 3000psi compressor? How much? n/t posted by David L on May 02, 1999 at 17:52:55:

The link http://www.shooters.com/ars/charge.html

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Re: Duo 300

Msg. 108510  Posted by trevor on May 02, 1999 at 18:20:18:

In Reply to: Duo 300 posted by DaveC on May 02, 1999 at 15:28:38:

These pistols sold for about 6 months in NZ-in the early '80s. I have a mint one,#000102.The gun is spring/piston operated and is of the overlever design..The whole compression tube moves upward as the spring is retracted by a cocking rod. The action of the 300 looks just like that of popular Gamo pneumatic pistols,only the DUO 300 is a SPRING gun. Heavy duty thing,made by SGS,Secola,Italy.
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Re: Pellet Questions

Msg. 108509  Posted by Nick on May 02, 1999 at 18:16:36:

In Reply to: Pellet Questions posted by Eric Field on May 02, 1999 at 16:34:41:

Which ever pellet is the most accurate. A squirrel will not know the difference between a match, round nose or pointed pellet when shot through the head. And head shots should ALWAYS be used on squirrels & rabbits.
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Re: Priorties.and Serbia

Msg. 108508  Posted by Jim B.in Nv. on May 02, 1999 at 18:13:51:

In Reply to: Priorties. posted by carlos on April 29, 1999 at 01:03:57:

This Serbian thing has been going on so long that no one really knows how long it's been going on. Sort of like Northern Ireland, Southeast Asia, and the Middle East, the Serbs have been fighting their own brand of Religous warfare for more years than the U.S.A. has been a country. The Turks used to go in and massacre a village of Serbians any time they saw any kind of organized resistance. So the Serbs have taken up this sort of warfare as well in retaliation. They would go in and massacre a villiage of Muslim Albanians in retalliation for Muslim attorcities on Orthodox Christian Serbs. I don't think that we are going to make any advances in Sebia. They will continue this sort of ethnic cleansing until either all Serbs are dead or all Albanian mulims are either dead or gone. They just want, their own holy ground back, without any intruders. For them, this is holy war.
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Re: Scope Mount and Scope Stop

Msg. 108507  Posted by DSmit on May 02, 1999 at 18:13:19:

In Reply to: Re: Scope Mount and Scope Stop posted by Eric Field on May 01, 1999 at 00:07:30:

Eric:
Congrats on the impending purchase(s) - I have a
Gamo 880 with a 3x-12x 44mm BSA scope on it
(package deal from Gamo). A few observations;

The rifle came with B-Square 2 piece standard
height mounts, which are basically just 2 rings
which mount to the scope rail separately, rather
than on a single base like the 1 piece mounts.
There's a retaining pin on one of the mounts that
sits in a hole on the scope rail - thus,
eliminating the need for a separate scope stop.
Oddly enough, Gamo supplied a separate scope stop
anyway - go fig.

Took the rifle out shooting yesterday, tried to
get the beast to sight-in and couldn't get it to
group worth diddly. Pellets were going everywhere
(6 inch groups at 25 yds., had trouble hitting an
apple 12 yards away, etc.) Turned out that the
screws that clamp the scope tube to the mounts had
loosened and the scope was sliding all over the
place. Moral of the story - use Loctite on the
screws!

If you're going to go with a 50 mm scope, you'll
definitely want high mounts - my 44 mm is just
barely clearing the scope rail. Like, you can get
a thin sheet of paper between the objective
adjustment ring and the scope rail but not a thick
one. Very tight fit - in fact, I'm thinking
seriously about going to a set of high mounts on
mine.

Wish I could help you more but the rest of the
questions are out of my realm. Hope this helps!


DSmit
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Try to order from D amp; R Sports ...

Msg. 108506  Posted by Pavel Podvoiski on May 02, 1999 at 18:01:32:

In Reply to: Re: problem getting mailorder gun across border???? posted by Jeff on May 02, 1999 at 11:30:53:

For all uncertainity i'd ordered Daisy 747 C.O.D.

Two weeks later i received letter with my order and they writed on it "We need your credit card"

Seems they share this uncertainity too.
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where to buy 3000psi compressor? How much? n/t

Msg. 108505  Posted by David L on May 02, 1999 at 17:52:55:

nt
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HW-97 New or Not

Msg. 108504  Posted by Jim P on May 02, 1999 at 17:47:06:

In Reply to: Re: RWS aren't the only springs that Break posted by Greggg on May 02, 1999 at 16:33:39:

Greggg,

From Jim Macarri, a 'new' one uses a piston seal that is 1.025 inches in diameter. My piston seal has a slight shape to it and I only have an old 1 inch micrometer (keep meaning to get a new one) so I wasn't sure as I don't know whether that is 1.025 vs 1.024 or 1.025 vs 1.000. However he indicated that neither serial number (Mine is a .177 also marked 97K and 1442862 on the barrel.) Nor Date of purchase was sufficient to tell him whether it was a 'new' one or not. I, after many measurments, decided that it was probably a 'new' one.

I think that all 97 are 'K's but I'm not sure - Anyone?

Jim P.
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Dick's in Columbia

Msg. 108503  Posted by IDB on May 02, 1999 at 17:40:23:

In Reply to: Retailers near Washington, DC posted by Jamie on April 29, 1999 at 13:28:01:

I've been to "Dick's" in Columbia. They had a few airguns and I was surprised to see an RWS 48 there.

IDB
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Re: You are incorrect. / I hope he is.

Msg. 108502  Posted by E Fudd on May 02, 1999 at 17:33:22:

In Reply to: Re: You are incorrect. / I hope he is. posted by Steven Flannery on May 02, 1999 at 15:49:57:

It will depend on local laws, the cop in question, and his opinion of you and your neighbor. The worst you can expect is confiscation and a citation,(I suppose they could throw the book at you, but if you haven't damaged anything or threatened anyone it wouldn't stand up in court). More likely they'll give you a warning and tell you to quit it. Try to shoot with your back facing your neighbors house. Sound does not carry evenly from a gunshot. Those in front of the muzzle hear a much louder crack than those behind it. An enclosure can further muffle your shooting and hide you from view, (out of sight out of mind). Some people build enclosures that allow them to shoot high powered rifles in their basements in urban areas. For your situation however a simple shed with 3 walls and a roof would probably work well. Avoid silencers if you have any reason at all to think the police may show up. They are only semi-legal for airguns, and can get you into real trouble if used on a firearm. At the very least the police will take an unhealthy interest in your airgun and perhaps you as well.
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Re: Thumbhole Stocks - Likes and dislikes -Who's got em?

Msg. 108501  Posted by IDB on May 02, 1999 at 17:29:57:

In Reply to: Re: Thumbhole Stocks - Likes and dislikes -Who's got em? posted by Alain on April 29, 1999 at 15:15:01:

I am considering one myself. How much work did you have to do to it? Do you think that you need much experience with woodworking? ('cause I have almost no experience and no real tools. I could borrow some.)

Thanks,
IDB
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Re: I WON THE DOOR PRIZE FRIDAY

Msg. 108500  Posted by The Airgun Letter on May 02, 1999 at 17:26:37:

In Reply to: Re: I WON THE DOOR PRIZE FRIDAY posted by Bubba on May 02, 1999 at 12:36:39:

When Tom called me Saturday evening, he asked me if I knew someone named Bubba who referred to me as Earth Woman! Apparently, Tom thinks I'm living some sort of double life because he didn't know who Bubba was and had no idea I was Earth Woman. Since you refer to me as Earth Woman, Tom wants to know how many women you know from other pl.nulls?

Edith Gaylord
The Airgun Letter
staff@null.null
http://www.airgunletter.null
http://www.airgunletter.com

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Political link of the week

Msg. 108499  Posted by Mitch on May 02, 1999 at 17:25:57:

Concerning Clinton's crass usage of the Columbine H.S. tragedy for political gain:

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Find Natchez on our Airgun Resources page - link inside (NT)

Msg. 108498  Posted by The Airgun Letter on May 02, 1999 at 17:17:58:

In Reply to: Re: Tasco 6-24x44 $170 @ Wal-Mart posted by Scubablizz on May 02, 1999 at 14:32:41:

Edith Gaylord
The Airgun Letter
staff@null.null
http://www.airgunletter.null
http://www.airgunletter.com

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Re: problem getting mailorder gun across border????

Msg. 108497  Posted by Whitewolf on May 02, 1999 at 17:16:32:

In Reply to: problem getting mailorder gun across border???? posted by Jeff on May 02, 1999 at 00:26:38:

You may also want to try Russel Sports in Calgary, AB the also carry the 225. I'm not sure on pricing compare to Mark's at Guns n Things. Sorry don't have #.
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Re: If you ever get a chance to go to a airgun show....

Msg. 108496  Posted by Dave Matticks on May 02, 1999 at 17:15:03:

In Reply to: Re: If you ever get a chance to go to a airgun show.... posted by Mike Reames on May 02, 1999 at 13:44:02:

Had a great time too! Already knew a couple guys there, met lots more. It is good to put a face on those names.

Might just have to build myself a big bore after trying out a couple at the show, very cool.

Later, Dave Matticks
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Re: SHOOTING IN THE CITY?/ LAWS / WHAT GUN IS BEST FOR ME?

Msg. 108495  Posted by E Fudd on May 02, 1999 at 17:13:40:

In Reply to: Re: SHOOTING IN THE CITY?/ LAWS / WHAT GUN IS BEST FOR ME? posted by Steven Flannery on May 02, 1999 at 16:03:50:

That's the gun. It's probably the best thing you can get within your price range. Regarding calibers, the .22 carries more energy and is less affected by wind. They also cost more to shoot and have a more pronounced trajectory. If you hunt however, they are much better than .177.
Mac-1 is a airgun dealer that modifies Benjamins, Sheridans, and Crosmans. You may have seen posts referring to Steroid Streaks and Steroid 392's. A Steroid 392 is a modified Benjamin 392. They have had the trigger and internals reworked and are much more powerful than stock. I believe the full treatment costs about $75. After modification power should be similar to a RWS 48. You'll get bigger improvements in .22 than .177. Hope this helps.
Elmer Fudd
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Hey Wade

Msg. 108494  Posted by LOU V.K. on May 02, 1999 at 17:07:39:

In Reply to: Re: If you ever get a chance to go to a airgun show.... posted by Wade on May 02, 1999 at 14:36:43:


The current temperature is 74 degrees.Very nice. i wish that I could find time to do any fishing.The gills are on the beds.Only problem for you. Mich. law does not allow shooting of fish,except some specific species with archery. Sligh tells me he got you three strikes,and,you missed allof them.;-)
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Re: Daystate Sportsman

Msg. 108493  Posted by IDB on May 02, 1999 at 16:58:32:

In Reply to: Re: Daystate Sportsman posted by Jim D on April 30, 1999 at 18:35:53:

Jim D.,

How true is it that it takes Herculean strength to pump the Sportsman up to four or five pumps?

IDB
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Have also wondered why they never turn up - must have sold a few at least ! (nt)

Msg. 108492  Posted by Don R. on May 02, 1999 at 16:43:58:

In Reply to: Duo 300 posted by DaveC on May 02, 1999 at 15:28:38:


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Re: Original Will single cock air fifle

Msg. 108491  Posted by Don R. on May 02, 1999 at 16:42:10:

In Reply to: Original Will single cock air fifle posted by Rick R on May 02, 1999 at 16:26:16:

Sounds like a Bugelspanner (i.e. 'lever cocker')- info in Hiller Air Rifles book, W H B Smith book. Made from somewhere around 1900 to 1950's, in varying executions and details.
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Pellet Questions

Msg. 108490  Posted by Eric Field on May 02, 1999 at 16:34:41:

What type of pellets would you all recommend for hunting squirrels and rabbits for the following guns :

1 - Beeman RX-1 in .22 calibre

2 - Gamo Hunter 440 in .177 calibre

Also, would you recommend getting some type of "sighting-in" pellets that are accurate and preferable for target shooting vs. the hunting pellets?

Thanks !

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Re: RWS aren't the only springs that Break

Msg. 108489  Posted by Greggg on May 02, 1999 at 16:33:39:

In Reply to: RWS aren't the only springs that Break posted by Jim P on May 02, 1999 at 12:15:19:

Jim,

Regarding whether or not your HW 97 is a "new" one or not. Mine is stamped HW 97 K right in front of the loading port on the top. Are you saying that some of the "K's" were shipped without being stamped? Mine's a .20, serial number 14447XX. Mine is shooting great but I probably have less than 100 pellets through it.
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Original Will single cock air fifle

Msg. 108488  Posted by Rick R on May 02, 1999 at 16:26:16:

looking for information on an original will air rifle that i aquired. it appears to be about 25 caliber, with a single lever cock. it has an octagonal barrel that breaks open to load. it is nickel plated with wood stock. any information on this type air rifle would be appreciated.
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Re: Is this typical British quality?

Msg. 108487  Posted by jcbii on May 02, 1999 at 16:15:34:

In Reply to: Re: Is this typical British quality? posted by Jerry Rhodes on May 02, 1999 at 14:13:13:

I don't know if buying 7 sounds too encouraging. One for shooting and 6 for parts? (just kidding!)

Seriously, if thats the case, I am going to save my pennies and try to come up with it before they run out.

Thanks for info.
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Re: Have any pictures or info?

Msg. 108486  Posted by Steven Flannery? on May 02, 1999 at 16:13:45:

In Reply to: Re: SHOOTING IN THE CITY?/ LAWS / WHAT GUN IS BEST FOR ME? posted by RBest on April 30, 1999 at 18:30:36:

Thaks for the reply, Do you have any pictures of the SM1000 and/or info about the gun. Do you know a website that I can visit? If you can help please let me know....
Sincerely, Steven Flannery
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Re: To IM or not to IM

Msg. 108485  Posted by jcbii on May 02, 1999 at 16:11:32:

In Reply to: Re: To IM or not to IM posted by jcbii on May 02, 1999 at 13:39:06:

Oh ok, your talking about that "buddy" thing where it lists your "buddys" who are currently online. I just have straight access to the inte.null through Earthlink which I prefer. Never cared for paying AOL to send me advertisements (always thought there was something wrong with that picture).

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Re: Buy a used gun! / Do you know anyone in my area?

Msg. 108484  Posted by Steven Flannery on May 02, 1999 at 16:10:40:

In Reply to: Re: Buy a used gun! posted by The Airgun Letter on May 01, 1999 at 11:39:17:

Thanks for the info, I was wondering if you know anyone in my area. If you do please let me know.
Sincerely, Steven Flannery
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Re: proton X in U.S.

Msg. 108483  Posted by Vic Thompson on May 02, 1999 at 16:07:31:

In Reply to: proton X in U.S. posted by Tom Wheeler on April 30, 1999 at 22:07:10:

My comments are the same as those of Jim Morrow. My opinion is that they are a waste of money. Also, I think that trying to talk to Guiseppe Cammerlari ? is a waste of time. I tried to do so, he just kept putting the phone down and talking to other people whilst I was trying to tell him of my poor results with Proton X. They now sit in a bin in the garage where they rightfully belong. $115 wasted.

Vic Thompson.
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Re: SHOOTING IN THE CITY?/ LAWS / WHAT GUN IS BEST FOR ME?

Msg. 108482  Posted by Steven Flannery on May 02, 1999 at 16:03:50:

In Reply to: Re: SHOOTING IN THE CITY?/ LAWS / WHAT GUN IS BEST FOR ME? posted by E Fudd on May 01, 1999 at 01:01:10:

Hmm I was looking at that model. I think it is a decent gun for the price. Is this the gun your are talking about? GO
here...

CLICK Oh ya what is a "Mac-1 upgrade" I have never heard of that. Why do you like the 22cal rather than the
.177? I have always used .177 and loved it!!! What are the advantages of a 22cal?
Sincerely, Steven Flannery

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Thanks for the info

Msg. 108481  Posted by Steven Flanney on May 02, 1999 at 15:54:27:

In Reply to: Re: SHOOTING IN THE CITY?/ LAWS / WHAT GUN IS BEST FOR ME? posted by Roger on May 01, 1999 at 09:13:34:

Thanks for the info. I do not know of any police officers that can help me out. I
do know a lawyer that lives up the street from me and I will ask him. I am
making a web page that will have pictures of my friends and I shooting in the
backyard. And perhaps my own forum. Once again thanks for the info.
Sincerely, Steven Flannery
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Re: Pellet cleaning

Msg. 108480  Posted by bahntr on May 02, 1999 at 15:52:11:

In Reply to: Pellet cleaning posted by DonC on May 02, 1999 at 09:44:53:

Castrol has a product very similar to simple green except it is purple in color. Seems to do a very good job with most washing (laundry,auto engines,tools AND pellets)jobs. I use a mix of it and simple green around the house. Works great. Can be found at auto stores and Mart stores.
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Re: New RWS took a dump ! HELP !

Msg. 108479  Posted by Dave Plemmons on May 02, 1999 at 15:51:58:

In Reply to: New RWS took a dump ! HELP ! posted by William on May 02, 1999 at 15:38:28:

William; I have a RWS 48 also in .22cal I have about
2000 pellets thru fine so far so good...but could
break any time. I love mine it is very accurate
almost as accurate as my Tuned TX at close range.
But I know they have a bad rep for breaking spring.
You might want to get Jim Maccari's tune and spring
it for it. I think they are about $60. for the kit
lubes and all. And best of all he gives you a life
time guarantee...sounds like that is what a lot of
Guy's are dong that have RWS guns. That is what I
am going to do when mine breaks.
Good luck and good shooting
HTH
Dave in Denver
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Re: You are incorrect. / I hope he is.

Msg. 108478  Posted by Steven Flannery on May 02, 1999 at 15:49:57:

In Reply to: You are incorrect. posted by E Fudd on May 01, 1999 at 12:15:50:

Thanks for the info on the laws. But lets say some cranky neighbor calls the
police on me for firing my BB gun in me backyard. What can the cop tell me?
Will he just tell the lady to stop watching A Christmas Story or will he take my
gun away and send me to another country?
Sincerely, Steven Flannery
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Re: Crossman 38C

Msg. 108477  Posted by WZA on May 02, 1999 at 15:49:28:

In Reply to: Crossman 38C posted by Ken on May 02, 1999 at 15:03:00:

Call Crosman at 1-800-7AIRGUN. They fixed me up with a free copy of the instruction booklet for the 38C I bought from my friend.
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Re: SHOOTING IN THE CITY?/ LAWS / WHAT GUN IS BEST FOR ME?

Msg. 108476  Posted by Steven Flannery on May 02, 1999 at 15:42:56:

In Reply to: Re: SHOOTING IN THE CITY?/ LAWS / WHAT GUN IS BEST FOR ME? posted by CK on May 01, 1999 at 03:34:50:


CK,
Thanks for the advice.
Sounds like it will help me a lot. I will try to find some putty that I can use. Do you know of any way to silence the
barrel noise? I will also look at that NRA web site and see if any of the laws apply to me. I only have one neighbor
that seem to be disturbed by the noise that my BB gun makes. She says that when I fire it, the sound makes her dog
whimper. What kind of an excuse is that? Oh well. Do you know of any news groups for my e-mail that I can
subscribe to? Well thanks for the info.
Sincerely, Steven Flannery
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New RWS took a dump ! HELP !

Msg. 108475  Posted by William on May 02, 1999 at 15:38:28:

Dang
This really is ticking me off.
Have this new RWS48 in 22 cal.
Used the Chrony on it when I first got it.
Only had Crow Mags. Shot them about 725+ was not bad.
Just about the time I hit 200 rounds I thought it was
cocking easier. So I thought I was just getting use to it.
Then after about 200 rounds Crow Mags I received some
Crossman Premiers and RWS Super Domes.
Went out to Chrony the Crossmans and dang if I didnt only
get 650 fps out of them !
SO I broke out the supply of RWS Super Domes.
they shot 725 fps. I thought what the Heck.
They should have been faster then the Crow Magnums.
SO I dug the Crow Magnums back out.
They are down to 560 fps!
This ticks me off !
Only had the gun two weeks now !
And I going to have to pay shipping to get it fixed !
Any one have an e-mail address for RWS I am pissed.
Any other ideas what I should do.
Would a spring kit be better ?
Would it get me into the 800fps with the Super Domes?
Dang I knew when I got close to 2000 rounds from reading
all your letters I was going to have to respring but
200 ???
Anyone ever taken one apart and fixed them selves ?
Man just spent over my budget to get something good.
Sheeish just my luck.
Oh, well if you have any ideas let me know.
Thanks
Thanks

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Duo 300

Msg. 108474  Posted by DaveC on May 02, 1999 at 15:28:38:

I would to know if anyone could tell me any info about this pistol. I remember seeing it in an old Great Lakes ag catalog and was wondering if it was still around somewhere, used or otherwise. TIA
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PE = Pro Elite, made by Air Arms (NT)

Msg. 108473  Posted by David M on May 02, 1999 at 15:26:23:

In Reply to: Re: Which gun is more powerful ? PE or Rws 48? (in .22 caliber) NT posted by Darwin on May 02, 1999 at 09:17:58:

NT
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Stuart air rifles

Msg. 108472  Posted by Bill S. on May 02, 1999 at 15:20:31:

Can someone shed some light on these? Such as when made, quality, where made, models produced, etc. tks, bill s.
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Crossman 38C

Msg. 108471  Posted by Ken on May 02, 1999 at 15:03:00:

I need information on the Crossman 38C .22 Co2 pellgun. I have tried to find information on it but I have been unsuccesful. It resembles a 38 revolver. If you have any information on this airgun please contact me or leave a reply.

Thanks
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Re: RWS aren't the only springs that Break

Msg. 108470  Posted by EricF on May 02, 1999 at 14:56:27:

In Reply to: RWS aren't the only springs that Break posted by Jim P on May 02, 1999 at 12:15:19:

My hw-97k was cocking oddly.I sent it to Jim Maccari for a new spring but also told him of cocking problem. When he took it apart he found the mainspring to have broken in three places. This was after only four months of ownership after I purchased it new. It shoots beautifully now since JM replaced the spring and tuned it but RWS doesn't have a monopoly on short lived mainsprings.
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Re: If you ever get a chance to go to a airgun show....

Msg. 108469  Posted by Wade on May 02, 1999 at 14:36:43:

In Reply to: Re: If you ever get a chance to go to a airgun show.... posted by LOU V.K. on May 02, 1999 at 09:50:29:

Sligh said he was going to have me back over to
see if it was bad luck or bad weather, hahaha.
Is it warm enough "up there" to wet a hook yet, or
are you still in the deep freeze??? Wade
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22 R9 -Has anybody done this and chronographed it?(NT)

Msg. 108468  Posted by Alan on May 02, 1999 at 14:36:05:

x
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Re: Tasco 6-24x44 $170 @ Wal-Mart

Msg. 108467  Posted by Scubablizz on May 02, 1999 at 14:32:41:

In Reply to: Re: Tasco 6-24x44 $170 @ Wal-Mart posted by Doug Law on May 02, 1999 at 01:48:31:

How do I find this place Natchetz? Thanks...
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Re: RWS aren't the only springs that Break

Msg. 108466  Posted by BSJ on May 02, 1999 at 14:22:17:

In Reply to: RWS aren't the only springs that Break posted by Jim P on May 02, 1999 at 12:15:19:

My R11 spring broke a 2080 shots. Third coil from trigger end. T-Tune fixed mine too. Brian
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Re: To IM or not to IM

Msg. 108465  Posted by RBest on May 02, 1999 at 14:21:06:

In Reply to: Re: To IM or not to IM posted by jcbii on May 02, 1999 at 13:39:06:

Instant Messenger is an option to AOL and Compuserve. Both ISP's use IE 4.0. It looks like I will have activate the blocker, whereas I previously didn't need to. Thanks for the info guys. Regards, Russ
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Re: PE vs. 48

Msg. 108464  Posted by Johnny O. on May 02, 1999 at 14:14:42:

In Reply to: Re: PE vs. 48 posted by RBest on May 02, 1999 at 12:52:59:

I have to agree with Russ on this one. I have both. My mod 48 is tuned with JM's GSI power tune and shoots very nice. However, my untuned (at least for another day or two) PE was much nicer to shoot, smoother, better trigger and you can just feel the quality when you cock the gun. I don't believe they are in the same class, other than power. However, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. The PE is my beauty!
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Re: Is this typical British quality?

Msg. 108463  Posted by Jerry Rhodes on May 02, 1999 at 14:13:13:

In Reply to: Re: Is this typical British quality? posted by jcbii on May 02, 1999 at 13:43:59:

JC,

If by 169.00 you mean the BSA SuperSport, YES very worth the price. Nicely made and finished light powerful and accurate little springer rifle. I have bought 7 and all of them were good.

Jerry

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Re: IZH-46, can anything come close for the price?

Msg. 108462  Posted by TM on May 02, 1999 at 14:03:48:

In Reply to: Re: IZH-46, can anything come close for the price? posted by Greg Fischer on May 02, 1999 at 08:55:28:

Better yet, save them as parts guns when(if) they break.
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Re: To IM or not to IM

Msg. 108461  Posted by TM on May 02, 1999 at 13:57:23:

In Reply to: To IM or not to IM posted by Russ Best on May 02, 1999 at 02:19:27:

I don't see what the problem is. I just went to one of those menus a few months ago and selected the block option. Now, the only people who can see when I am on line are the ones that I choose.
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Re: If you ever get a chance to go to a airgun show....

Msg. 108460  Posted by Mike Reames on May 02, 1999 at 13:44:02:

In Reply to: Re: If you ever get a chance to go to a airgun show.... posted by Sligh on May 01, 1999 at 20:15:45:

Little Rock, now that was a show! I didn't count the tables, or the people, but It was the very best show I have ever been to.... A lot of guys we know from the .null were there, It was really great to put the names and faces together. Old friends, new friends, a lot of conversation, and a whole lot of buying and horsetrading.... I watched as a LOT of guns were being toted out..... I saw both new and used, and collector stuff by the pile.. If you wanted an aircane, they were there, new stuff? yep. old crosman? lots. Old anything? yep. New reproductions of old guns? Scads. Experimental stuff? more than you can see in a day. LD sauntered over to my table, put a very cool looking 1/2 finished but working bb repeater prototype in my hands and gloated! He located it at Larry Hannusch's table. I was right across from Larry, and had looked over his treasures several times, and missed it completely.... Boy, the things we saw. Too many to remember, I just hope Tom Gaylord writes a full report.... I wish I had the space to list all I saw, and All the guys I talked to....I spent way more than I figured, sold more than I figured, but I got some NIFTY STUFF! Thanks to all the friends I got to talk to, and break bread with. Mike
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Re: Is this typical British quality?

Msg. 108459  Posted by jcbii on May 02, 1999 at 13:43:59:

In Reply to: Re: Is this typical British quality? posted by LOU V.K. on May 02, 1999 at 11:59:17:

But as for the quality of the BSA's, what do you think? I have been thinking about that $169.00 price tag myself (sounds good), but do not know anything about them.
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Re: To IM or not to IM

Msg. 108458  Posted by jcbii on May 02, 1999 at 13:39:06:

In Reply to: To IM or not to IM posted by Russ Best on May 02, 1999 at 02:19:27:

Russ,

Does IM come as standard on IE4.0? I had at one time added ICQ (third party program) to do what your talking about (also got rid of it for same reasons you had). It's more of a curiosity thing for me. Is it one of the options?
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Re: Crosman 140 barrel value?

Msg. 108457  Posted by Tim on May 02, 1999 at 13:38:04:

In Reply to: Crosman 140 barrel value? posted by Nick on May 02, 1999 at 07:35:43:

Like lou was saying they don't have alot of value. I
am interested in the 140 parts. I have a few of these
guns for parts that I have paid under $20. Let me know how much
you are looking to get and maybe we can make a deal
Thanks
Tim
e-mail Me
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Re: problem getting mailorder gun across border????

Msg. 108456  Posted by Jeff on May 02, 1999 at 13:20:55:

In Reply to: Re: problem getting mailorder gun across border???? posted by Dave K. on May 02, 1999 at 11:34:43:

Yep. I e-mailed Gunnthings last night asking if he had the SIG. I'll have to wait until he gets back to me.
I also tried Cabela's mailorder, phoned them up and they said they would not ship the 225 to Canada. Hopefull Gunnthings can help out and not have too high a price.
Jeff
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Re: Baikal

Msg. 108455  Posted by RBest on May 02, 1999 at 13:17:53:

In Reply to: Baikal posted by Fearon Steele on May 02, 1999 at 07:07:14:

Fearon: that's what I get for assuming ! heh heh. I thought you had one of the newer ones. My apologies. Regards, Russ
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Re: RWS aren't the only springs that Break

Msg. 108454  Posted by Johnny on May 02, 1999 at 12:59:39:

In Reply to: RWS aren't the only springs that Break posted by Jim P on May 02, 1999 at 12:15:19:

I had two "factory" springs break in my R10. The 1st broke @ the trigger end and the 2nd was broke at BOTH ends, go figure..... the 2nd had less than 500 rounds Maccari Tarantula power tune ended that problem ..
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Walther model#LP53

Msg. 108453  Posted by Arthur Bernard on May 02, 1999 at 12:58:32:

For sale-Walther Model# LP53 complete in presentation case, Like new, .177 cal. This is an excelent high end air pistol and is a joy to fire. If interested e-mail me at a.bernard@null.null. Serious inquires only please. Thank you.
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Congratulations Bubba

Msg. 108452  Posted by RBest on May 02, 1999 at 12:55:34:

In Reply to: Re: I WON THE DOOR PRIZE FRIDAY posted by Bubba on May 02, 1999 at 12:36:39:

I guess all that clean livin' pays dividends then, eh? Couldn't happen to a nicer guy. BTW, who was drivin? Russ
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Re: PE vs. 48

Msg. 108451  Posted by RBest on May 02, 1999 at 12:52:59:

In Reply to: Re: PE vs. 48 posted by MikeZ on May 02, 1999 at 12:49:55:

Mike: that is purely subjective, as I see it just the other way around. BTW, have you ever held or shot a PE? That's the real convincer. Regards, Russ
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Re: PE vs. 48

Msg. 108450  Posted by MikeZ on May 02, 1999 at 12:49:55:

In Reply to: Re: PE vs. 48 posted by RBest on May 02, 1999 at 11:55:22:

One attribute that I believe the RWS has over the PE is the DESIGN. The RWS 52 Deluxe is better looking then a PE, that is according to me. :)

MikeZ
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Re: I WON THE DOOR PRIZE FRIDAY

Msg. 108449  Posted by Bubba on May 02, 1999 at 12:36:39:

In Reply to: Re: If you ever get a chance to go to a airgun show.... posted by Garry L on May 02, 1999 at 01:19:06:

I too had a great time at the Little Rock show. Course, after spending three and one half hours in a Toyota pick up, wedged in amoungst gun stuff, and piloted by a wild man with a death wish, arriving anywhere would be good.

At the show I met some great and colorful characters. Then I won the door prixe, a brand new Crosman 2100W. These folks are OK, no one even took a swing at me, in spite of the verbal abuse, and razzing, that spewed forth from my loud mouth. I even arrived home, (same truck, same mad man) without serious injury.

Fine folks, and a good time. It don't get much better than that.

Respectfully,
Bubba
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P.S.

Msg. 108448  Posted by LOU V.K. on May 02, 1999 at 12:23:55:

In Reply to: Re: Is this typical British quality? posted by LOU V.K. on May 02, 1999 at 11:59:17:


I was called to the door by a visitor,and had to shut off my last response.
When I state that Simon Gibbon is not to be trusted,I refer to several orders placed by me for rifles for stock,and,a couple that were cutomers orders. An example of this is the very common Huntsman,.177,standard two stage trigger,in a walnut sporter stock,that took SEVEN MONTHS to have shipped. Simon told me repeatedly that " the rifle was shipped yesterday". When it didn't arrive in a fortnight,I had to call him again. His standard response,when i would ask about the order,was," I will have that'n out today/tomorrow",etc.This was blatant falsehoods. Don C. sent the regulator from his CR 94 to Simon several times,and,paid the postage in both directions,and,the repair charge,only to find that his reg had never been touched.A tool and die maker friend in his club fixed it.
I don't wish to tar all of the other British manufacturers with this same brush,as,I have had wonderful experience with John Cooper,the owner of Falcon,Bill Sanders of Air Arms,etc..There *some* good ones over there.
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RWS aren't the only springs that Break

Msg. 108447  Posted by Jim P on May 02, 1999 at 12:15:19:

Any one interested,

Another data point.

About a week ago my HW-97 (which I now believe to be the "new" version after trying to measure the seal diameter) lost power and developed a very slight hitch in its normally smooth cocking stroke.

After some initial experimentation I settled on the Meisterkugeln 8.3g (yellow tin) pellets for this rifle and it has "happily" shot these at about 880 fps for about 2,300 shots. I always shoot through a chrony though I have given up writing down each speed as it was interfering with my enjoyment. I still do on occasion write down each shot in order to provide some sort of record and to enforce a break between each shot. At any rate last week I noticed that the speed had fallen somewhat into the 850 to 870 category - well it is warming up in my garage - so I figured that is what was causing the decrease. Other air rifles are showing similar changes - some up some down - as the temperature goes up. Then I noticed a slight catch in the cocking stroke and the very next shot was 821 with the next five at below 820. I knew something had "broken."

Well I was going to put a Maccari kit in this gun 'sooner or later' so I decided to put it aside order the kit and when it came take the gun apart and find out what was wrong. That is when the 'new' vs 'old' style HW-97 question arose - the serial number and/or date of purchase aren't sufficient to tell I needed to measure the piston seal. To do that I needed to take it apart.

So last night with all my chinese air rifle disassembly experience and Tom's R1 book on the workbench I took the HW-97 apart. Actually it isn't difficult to get apart (It is still apart) It was just the price that had me intimidated.
And I confirmed a broken main spring. The spring broke 1-1/2" from the trigger end very similar to the break that I had in my Gamo 880 (2" from trigger end.)

I have not had this rifle apart till now and was waiting for it to "squeak" before applying any lubrication. The spring has a light oil coating and all the other parts seem well greased upon disassembly - so I don't think that it needed lubrication yet. I.e. I didn't do anything but shoot it.

It is interesting to me that springs seem to break at the trigger end as this is the part of the spring that travels the least. I have a couple of theories, but no definate conclusions yet. The Gamo mainspring showed a nick that started the break - this one I don't know yet.

As I said just one more data point.

Jim P.
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Re: Is this typical British quality?

Msg. 108446  Posted by LOU V.K. on May 02, 1999 at 11:59:17:

In Reply to: Re: Is this typical British quality? posted by Alain on May 01, 1999 at 21:37:22:


I think that Don C.,and several of his friends can join me in the condemnation of a few of the British airgun majers.Parker Hale is VERY near the top of the 'fecal roster'. The way that they have treated U.S. customers is abominable.They are closely followed by Park Rifle Ltd.,and,are you ready for this one? Daystate is a dirty word with MANY of the U.S. airgunners. Simon Gibbon is NOT to be trusted.
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Re: PE vs. 48

Msg. 108445  Posted by RBest on May 02, 1999 at 11:55:22:

In Reply to: Re: Any other results ?? nt posted by Dave H. on May 02, 1999 at 09:14:06:

Power isn't everything. The build quality on the Pro Elite is beautiful. Holding the two side by side will instantly convince you which is the better gun. Shooting both will PROVE it which is the better gun. PE all the way. Regards, Russ
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Re: problem getting mailorder gun across border????

Msg. 108444  Posted by LOU V.K. on May 02, 1999 at 11:50:59:

In Reply to: problem getting mailorder gun across border???? posted by Jeff on May 02, 1999 at 00:26:38:


When I was still an airgun dealer,I attempted to ship airguns to Canada,on two occasions.This turned out to cost me the price,( retail ) of the guns,as they were confiscated by Canadian Customs,and,I had to reimburse the buyers. This caused me to have some hard feelings with some of the airgunners from north of the border,who claimed that my policy of no more Canadian commerce was prejudice. Not so. I just didn't like to donate my money for the benefit of the Canadian steel industry,when the guns that I shipped were smelted down. BTW,these were both rifles,and,were set up for legal power limit. I just sold a Mendoza Magnum 800 rifle,which I advertised as being available to U.S. shipment only.
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Re: favorite field target gun

Msg. 108443  Posted by Tim on May 02, 1999 at 11:47:09:

In Reply to: favorite field target gun posted by Tim Baker on May 02, 1999 at 09:47:41:

thanx for the info!
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Re: rws 100

Msg. 108442  Posted by LOU V.K. on May 02, 1999 at 11:39:16:

In Reply to: rws 100 posted by len sawyer on May 02, 1999 at 11:27:13:


In my experience,having owned three of these,They are candidates for 'best buy' status on the used air rifle market. The only failing that I have found in them,pertains to the very first issues,which had a problem with firing valve leakage in cold temperatures. Dianawerk found the problem to be the chemical composition of the 'o' rings,which became very stiff at temperatures below about 65 degrees,F..Rear sights are interchangable with Anschutz pattern sights,but,the factory sights should still be available from RWS,and,will enhance the collector value of the rifle,in that it will be 'all original'.
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Re: problem getting mailorder gun across border????

Msg. 108441  Posted by Dave K. on May 02, 1999 at 11:34:43:

In Reply to: problem getting mailorder gun across border???? posted by Jeff on May 02, 1999 at 00:26:38:

Jeff,

Have you tried Guns N Things in Alberta? They have all the other Umarex guns ie. Colt, Walther, etc. And I believe he had the SIG in stock at one time too. He also might be able to order it for you to save the hassle of dealing with customs on your own.

HTH

Dave K.


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Re: Crosman 140 barrel value?

Msg. 108440  Posted by LOU V.K. on May 02, 1999 at 11:32:04:

In Reply to: Crosman 140 barrel value? posted by Nick on May 02, 1999 at 07:35:43:


Even though these parts have very little current commercial value,they will someday be needed by the owner of such rifles. I have no interest in any of the parts,other than the R 7 barrel,for an experiment that I have in mind, entertain any offers which will.null at least the cost of packaging and shipment. To trash these parts,IMHO,would border on being a criminal act.
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Re: problem getting mailorder gun across border????

Msg. 108439  Posted by Jeff on May 02, 1999 at 11:30:53:

In Reply to: Re: problem getting mailorder gun across border???? posted by Fearon Steele on May 02, 1999 at 07:13:36:

Ya, this is the reason that I'm trying to find someone in Canada to get me the RWS. I didn't want to have a chance of me not getting the gun after forking out a couple hundred bucks, or even having to wait a long time.
How long have you been waiting?
Maybe your order is being held up because of the 550fps thing.

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rws 100

Msg. 108438  Posted by len sawyer on May 02, 1999 at 11:27:13:

I have purchased one just last week. I like the gun alot. It is in very good shape and has a 4350 serial number. I was wondering does anyone know how long this model was made. I also need some front inserts and a rear right for same. Right now I have a Tasco 6-24x44 on it. It gave me a chance to see the guns real accuracy! Any help or advice on maintainence would be greatly appreciated.
Len Sawyer
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Thanks for all the info and repeated replies n.t.

Msg. 108436  Posted by Huck on May 02, 1999 at 10:59:23:

In Reply to: One last thing... posted by The Airgun Letter on May 02, 1999 at 10:34:35:

n.t.
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Re: favorite field target gun

Msg. 108435  Posted by The Airgun Letter on May 02, 1999 at 10:38:58:

In Reply to: Re: favorite field target gun posted by LOU V.K. on May 02, 1999 at 09:54:26:

I agree with Lou! If you're just getting into field target, go with what works for others. If you like spring guns, the TX 200 seems to be the gun of choice. If you like PCP guns, the line is not so clearly drawn - which is actually good because that gives you a wider selection, as it seems many can win.

If you'd like to take a look at what the DIFTA shooters used in their last match, use the link below.

Edith Gaylord
The Airgun Letter
staff@null.null
http://www.airgunletter.null
http://www.airgunletter.com

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One last thing...

Msg. 108434  Posted by The Airgun Letter on May 02, 1999 at 10:34:35:

In Reply to: Re: You may have a Sportsmatch mount - but you don't have the RIGHT one posted by Huck on May 02, 1999 at 09:47:42:

While Beeman may be the sole importer for the Sportsmatch mounts, they may not require that their name be on the packaging. If I were you, I would have the Sportsmatch mounts packaging in front of me when calling Manchester Airguns regarding the correct mount. They will then tell you if the mount you have is the same Sportsmatch mount they'll be sending you (they probably know from memory the part number of the mount you want). While the one you already have may have the scope stop pin, it might not be the correct mount for your gun. I do know that whenever we've sent people to Manchester Airguns to get the correct mount for their Beeman/Webley or FWB 124 rifles, they all report getting the right mount and that it works - flawlessly. That's why I suspect that you did not get the correct Sportsmatch mount for your gun.

I have no information on how to contact Sportsmatch directly. But I'm not sure they would sell directly to you, anyway. Some manufacturers make it a policy to deal only with authorized dealers of their products, who in turn deal with the end users. You will be treated fairly by Manchester Airguns. I have never had one complaint from anyone regarding their honesty, service or customer handling. That's the reason we recommend them. If you are not satisfied with their service, I would definitely like to hear about it. When calling them, please remember that they are 6 hours LATER than Eastern standard time. When it's 12 noon in NY, it's 6:00 p.m. in England. I don't know if you also practice Daylight Savings Time in Canada, but that will affect the times you should consider calling.

Edith Gaylord
The Airgun Letter
staff@null.null
http://www.airgunletter.null
http://www.airgunletter.com

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Re: To IM or not to IM

Msg. 108433  Posted by LOU V.K. on May 02, 1999 at 10:26:47:

In Reply to: To IM or not to IM posted by Russ Best on May 02, 1999 at 02:19:27:


You expressed my thinking,exactly.The only reason that I have not removed the IM capability from the browser of our computer is that my step daughter uses it to contact her mom,when one of us is using the 'puter'. She knows enough to keep it brief,and, only asks me to have 'MUMER' call at her convenience.
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Re: SM 1000

Msg. 108432  Posted by LOU V.K. on May 02, 1999 at 10:21:42:

In Reply to: Re: SM 1000 posted by quack on May 01, 1999 at 22:57:20:


Brownells Gunsmithing Supplies in Montezuma, Iowa.
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Re: Which PCP

Msg. 108431  Posted by LOU V.K. on May 02, 1999 at 10:15:58:

In Reply to: Re: Which PCP posted by MR Bulk� on May 02, 1999 at 01:52:29:


Like Wade,you are blessed with much warmer climtic conditions than many of us.Here in Michigan,the temperatures in the summer get so hot that CO2 guns simply lock up.In the winter,our severe cold make them next to worthless,as each shot just squirts liquid from the muzzle,with almost zero expansion. This is why,I have gotten rid of all of my CO2 guns,which are intended for outdoor use.Even at my advanced age,I think I would enjoy leaving the CO2 guns alone,and,spend my spare time playing with girls.
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Re: Pellet cleaning

Msg. 108430  Posted by Wade on May 02, 1999 at 10:10:32:

In Reply to: Pellet cleaning posted by DonC on May 02, 1999 at 09:44:53:

I use Mean Green, which is much stronger than
Simple Green. The trick is, however, to pour
the pellets into a colander and adgetate and
swirl the pellets around to strip the residue
and oil off. Rinse under very hot streaming water.
Engine degreaser (water based) such as Castrol
degreaser is excellent for this. They are stripped
totally and will leave no residue on your witta
tingers. Wade
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Re: favorite field target gun

Msg. 108429  Posted by Wade on May 02, 1999 at 10:00:50:

In Reply to: favorite field target gun posted by Tim Baker on May 02, 1999 at 09:47:41:

The axsor is a very nice rifle, however, if you
get a .22 the power level will be too high for
most clubs. As a general rule the ft/lb limit is
20 and you would have to shoot the gun at just
under 800 fps to qualify. I saw and shot the Axsor
at Little Rock this weekend and found them to be
very well made and a sweet shooter (1000 fps on the
model I shot). A more suitable stock would be nec-
essary for a good FT rifle, IMO. Wade
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Re: Pellet cleaning

Msg. 108428  Posted by LOU V.K. on May 02, 1999 at 10:00:06:

In Reply to: Pellet cleaning posted by DonC on May 02, 1999 at 09:44:53:


I used to use Watkins Products Degreaser,until I discovered Simple Green.This stuff is great.My wife even uses it as a presoak on the clothes that I get greasy,and,oily,from doing mechanical work. Many of the top F.T. shooters use liquid dish washing liquid.
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Re: favorite field target gun

Msg. 108427  Posted by LOU V.K. on May 02, 1999 at 09:54:26:

In Reply to: favorite field target gun posted by Tim Baker on May 02, 1999 at 09:47:41:


I have never heard of anyone using any model of Webley rifle,successfully for F.T..I have also never heard of anyone using an Axor for this sport,at all. Check out the match results on the AAFTA web site for info on what IS successful.
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Thanks for the reply Russ , could bought new for what this guy wanted for'em (nt)

Msg. 108426  Posted by Johnny on May 02, 1999 at 09:53:12:

In Reply to: Re: Saw Old Winchester Break Barrel @ Ft. Worth gunshow today , were these imported from RWS ?? (NT) posted by RBest on May 01, 1999 at 23:20:58:



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Re: Pellet cleaning

Msg. 108424  Posted by Stocky on May 02, 1999 at 09:52:06:

In Reply to: Pellet cleaning posted by DonC on May 02, 1999 at 09:44:53:

White vinegar!
Stocky
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Re: If you ever get a chance to go to a airgun show....

Msg. 108423  Posted by LOU V.K. on May 02, 1999 at 09:50:29:

In Reply to: Re: If you ever get a chance to go to a airgun show.... posted by Wade on May 01, 1999 at 19:58:02:


I hope that you learn how to improve your fishing skills,or,perhaps you should bribe your host into allowing you to shoot his bluegills with an airgun.See,you can't hide anything from me.;-)
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Re: You may have a Sportsmatch mount - but you don't have the RIGHT one

Msg. 108422  Posted by Huck on May 02, 1999 at 09:47:42:

In Reply to: You may have a Sportsmatch mount - but you don't have the RIGHT one posted by The Airgun Letter on May 01, 1999 at 17:01:48:

Hi,when I bought my Webley Patriot in the U.S., it
came with the Sportsmatch mount(not Beeman)made
specifically for the Patriot.This mount came in
Sportsmatch packaging and nowhere was Beeman
printed on it.This mount(sportsmatch)has the hardened cross-pin installed,the Beeman does not.
I realize that Beeman mounts are made by Sportsmatch and whenever I bring up the subject
of Sportsmatch,I always get Beeman back,as being
one and the same.Sorry this sounds a bit confusing
( it is for me).I will be contacting Manchester
Airguns tomorrow about availability of different
mounts for the Patriot.Would you know how I can
contact Sportsmatch directly?Thanks for your many
responses on this topic.
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favorite field target gun

Msg. 108421  Posted by Tim Baker on May 02, 1999 at 09:47:41:

tryin to decide on a field target gun, so far it's come down to an axor, what are everyones favs? any one have any experience with an axor? tia, tb
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Pellet cleaning

Msg. 108420  Posted by DonC on May 02, 1999 at 09:44:53:

I have been trying to find a cleaner/degreaser that is water soluble and really works. I tried mineral spirits by it's self and when I lubed the "cleaned" pellets I still got black on fingers and container. I then tried mineral spirits followed by shampoo for oily hair after the mineral spirits. It was better. Acetone is too dangerous and smelly. What do you recommend for getting them clean in a one shot cleaning process?
Thanks,
Don
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Re: problem getting mailorder gun across border????

Msg. 108419  Posted by W. Edwards on May 02, 1999 at 09:34:06:

In Reply to: Re: problem getting mailorder gun across border???? posted by Fearon Steele on May 02, 1999 at 07:13:36:

Be sure to let us know what happens.

Frankly I think that a rating of 500fps might cause
the Customs to refuse entry. They are likely to
interpret the legislation to be "less than 500fps".

Of course the actual section reads in mps if memory
serves me so you may be alright depending on how
the calculation is made.
Good Luck.
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Re: proton X in U.S.

Msg. 108418  Posted by DonC on May 02, 1999 at 09:31:38:

In Reply to: Re: proton X in U.S. posted by Jim Morrow on April 30, 1999 at 22:32:42:

Thanks for letting us all know the truth about this product. I really don't know how they can run several full page ads in the Brit mags and then put out a product that doesn't work.
Don
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Re: In Theory There Should Be No Problem But...

Msg. 108417  Posted by W. Edwards on May 02, 1999 at 09:25:56:

In Reply to: problem getting mailorder gun across border???? posted by Jeff on May 02, 1999 at 00:26:38:

There should be no problem but it appears that some
people have had problems in the past. I came across the
website of a US dealer who has suspended sales to Canada
because of problems he has experienced.
Several people (who live close to the border) have indicated
that they use a US address, cross the border to pick
up the item and then declare the airpistol when they
cross the border so that they can answer any questions that the
Custom Officers might have.
If you order make sure all the paperwork has been properly completed.
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Re: Which gun is more powerful ? PE or Rws 48? (in .22 caliber) NT

Msg. 108416  Posted by Darwin on May 02, 1999 at 09:17:58:

In Reply to: Which gun is more powerful ? PE or Rws 48? (in .22 caliber) NT posted by Marv. on May 02, 1999 at 06:57:19:

What is a pe?
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Re: Any other results ?? nt

Msg. 108415  Posted by Dave H. on May 02, 1999 at 09:14:06:

In Reply to: Any other results ?? nt posted by Marv on May 02, 1999 at 08:44:49:

Have chrono'd my buddies 48 recently at 775 fps. My P.E. on a different day, under different conditions at 803 fps. Essentially the same. P.E. much smoother, easier to shoot accurately.
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Re: IZH-46, can anything come close for the price?

Msg. 108414  Posted by Greg Fischer on May 02, 1999 at 08:55:28:

In Reply to: IZH-46, can anything come close for the price? posted by J R on May 02, 1999 at 07:24:14:

Tau-7 compares very well to the IZH-46. Both are great 10m bargains. I've never heard of anyone NEEDING service on an IZH-46, although it seems that lots of people worry about getting them fixed, since the cocking mechanism appears so complex. I'd just make sure the linkage is well lubricated with something like Mac-1's Secret sauce. Since they're so darned cheap, why not just buy a 1/2 dozen or so and throw them away as they break -- heheheh...
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Thanks Dave!

Msg. 108413  Posted by Tony U. on May 02, 1999 at 08:48:11:

In Reply to: Re: I'm considering the Daystate Silhouette/profile stock for an LR90 and Harrier posted by Dave Franey on April 30, 1999 at 10:51:36:

I appreciate the invitation. When I saw article and photo in U.S. AIRGUN, I knew........this is it! Matthew, my 11 year old son, shoots nothing but my LR90. It's my favorite air rifle so far. Thanks for your input.
Tony

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Any other results ?? nt

Msg. 108412  Posted by Marv on May 02, 1999 at 08:44:49:

In Reply to: CP+RWS 48 @840, PE@ 805 fps (nt) posted by Rich on May 02, 1999 at 08:42:12:

nt
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CP+RWS 48 @840, PE@ 805 fps (nt)

Msg. 108411  Posted by Rich on May 02, 1999 at 08:42:12:

In Reply to: About equal (nt) posted by Jerry G on May 02, 1999 at 08:37:52:

n(t
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Amen! (nt)

Msg. 108410  Posted by Jerry G on May 02, 1999 at 08:40:41:

In Reply to: To IM or not to IM posted by Russ Best on May 02, 1999 at 02:19:27:


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About equal (nt)

Msg. 108409  Posted by Jerry G on May 02, 1999 at 08:37:52:

In Reply to: Which gun is more powerful ? PE or Rws 48? (in .22 caliber) NT posted by Marv. on May 02, 1999 at 06:57:19:


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Shin Sung does not have a Web site at this time (NT)

Msg. 108408  Posted by The Airgun Letter on May 02, 1999 at 08:22:33:

In Reply to: Is Sing Sung on the Web?? (NT) posted by andye on May 01, 1999 at 18:04:29:

Edith Gaylord
The Airgun Letter
staff@null.null
http://www.airgunletter.null
http://www.airgunletter.com

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Re: Spring Piston for BEEMAN HW30

Msg. 108407  Posted by MikeD on May 02, 1999 at 08:15:44:

In Reply to: Spring Piston for BEEMAN HW30 posted by Hendrik Engel on May 01, 1999 at 09:37:48:


Hendrik, I assume you are somewhere in Europe where most retail dealers do basic repairs to common models and keep a stock of spare parts.

Perhaps you could contact Weihrauch directly and they could advise you as to the nearest source of parts?
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Tank Removal..........

Msg. 108406  Posted by Ron B on May 02, 1999 at 08:10:51:

In Reply to: Re: How do you find info on Tanker Carbine?? (NT) posted by MR Bulk� on May 02, 1999 at 01:56:12:

Tom Gaylord removed the tank while I watched, though I wasn't paying close attention. Tom took off a retainer nut off the barrel, where a moderator would fit, and slipped off the tank.

He explained how a 'quarter turn' valve turned the air 'on or off'. The tanks have a built in guage and will cost "Between two hundred and one hundred dollars, but closer to 100".

A good looking and inteligent rig, IMO.

Ron
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Re: How do you exchange money for a gun - try iescrow.com

Msg. 108405  Posted by The Airgun Letter on May 02, 1999 at 07:57:48:

In Reply to: How do you exchange money for a gun posted by Conrad on May 01, 1999 at 18:01:44:

I recently saw a segment on TV regarding safe transactions for online auctions. Apparently, there are others who feel that dealing with strangers is a risk they'd rather not take. So, there are 2 services that have cropped up that might work for you - but I only remember one of the URLs. It's called iescrow.com - and it does exactly what you think it does.

They accept the money and hold it in escrow until both parties of the deal are satisfied. You send the money to iescrow.com, and they notify the shipper that the money has been received. The shipper sends the product to you. If there's an inspection period during which you can return the goods if they don't meet the advertised specs, then the shipper does not get your money until that period is over. I'm sure there is a way that the buyer must notify iescrow.com that the product was received and is/isn't acceptable.

After the buyer is satisfied, the shipper receives his money from iescrow.com. Obviously, there is some sort of fee for this. But it might be worth your while to check it out if you'd like a little insurance that you're not going to be taken.

Edith Gaylord
The Airgun Letter
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Re: How do you find info on Tanker Carbine?? (NT)

Msg. 108404  Posted by The Airgun Letter on May 02, 1999 at 07:47:40:

In Reply to: Re: How do you find info on Tanker Carbine?? (NT) posted by MR Bulk� on May 02, 1999 at 01:56:12:

You wrote:
does the air tank on the Career Tanker Carbine have to be screwed on and off too? If
they have developed some alternate system (cam-latch or some such), then I too shall be Wanting
One Baaad!
=====================
You don't have to take off the tank to fill the gun - Tom just pumped it up with the tank on. The gun was at both the Michigan and Little Rock shows, and it's the front-page story in the May issue of our newsletter. You WILL want this gun - believe me! None are available for sale - yet. The production model is still being refined. Hopefully, they'll be available soon.

Edith Gaylord
The Airgun Letter
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Yes ! A 7.9 grain weight label is a statistical average within a tolerance of values ...

Msg. 108403  Posted by vZc on May 02, 1999 at 07:38:34:

In Reply to: Re: CopperHead 7.9 gr DOMED pellets Silver label posted by Jerry Rhodes on May 01, 1999 at 23:25:26:

... 7.9 -/+ 0.1 grains => 7.8, 7.9, or 8.0.

Most manufacturing processes result in variable outputs of a defined product.

A specific model pellet will vary in weight and dimensions about a design standard depending upon
quality control factors(production personnel, wear in machinery, measuring tools, etc.

Buy a or borrow a digital powder scale or lab balance and see for your self.

Tweezers & dental scaler (curved tips) are useful pellet handling tools.
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Crosman 140 barrel value?

Msg. 108402  Posted by Nick on May 02, 1999 at 07:35:43:

I have an old barrel ,tap & rear sight for a crosman 140 .22 air rifle I also have a barrel, reciever & piston for a R-7. Would these parts be worth trying to sell or should I just trash them? Thanks!
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IZH-46, can anything come close for the price?

Msg. 108401  Posted by J R on May 02, 1999 at 07:24:14:

I just got a IZH-46 and I'm amazed at the accuracy
and the low cocking effort. is there any other gun
that can compare? also, has anyone out there had
one of these for some time? Before I buy another
one,I'd like to know how long it'll last and if
parts and service is OK. Thanks
JR
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Re: problem getting mailorder gun across border????

Msg. 108400  Posted by Fearon Steele on May 02, 1999 at 07:13:36:

In Reply to: problem getting mailorder gun across border???? posted by Jeff on May 02, 1999 at 00:26:38:

I am still waiting on my BSA Meteor Mk.2 to make it across the border. It is rated at exactly 500 fps. in .22 which as you probably know is the cut off mark. I am crossing my fingers.
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Baikal

Msg. 108399  Posted by Fearon Steele on May 02, 1999 at 07:07:14:

In Reply to: Re: Corn Oil, Leather Seals and Cylinder posted by RBest on May 01, 1999 at 22:45:14:

I have a baikal 38 from the 1980's. I have been made aware that the later Baikal 38's made in the 90's are not of the same quality and are a bit different in design. But I can assure you the stock seal I took out of my 38 is leather. Thank you for the advice.
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Re: R1 Tune

Msg. 108398  Posted by JCBrown on May 02, 1999 at 07:02:11:

In Reply to: R1 Tune posted by Donovan Taylor on April 30, 1999 at 14:32:15:

AAAAhhhh, A man after my own heart...

Personally, I wouldn't tune the gun till you get 1000rnds or so through it - it may break-in just fine. There are piles of tunes available from any number of reputable airgunsmiths. I would highly recommend the R1 Book Edith menioned - it's great resource for any spring gun shooter.

I too have a .20 cal R1- for the longest time, it was my only airgun (rifle, that is). It's been tuned twice. The first time by Beeman (under warranty) when the spring broke (after about 2000rnds). Then when I became infatuated with FT & found the 2nd factory spring/tune was pushing Premiers at a mere 475fps. I later found that that spring had canted in about a dozen different directions.

The final tune is the Venom Lazaglide kit (available here in the states from Mac-1). Although expensive - approx $200, I feel it was well worth the cost. I tuned the gun myself but Tim at Mac-1 will install the kit no-charge, at least he did when I bought my kit from him. (The Venom spring is extremely stiff & makes the gun difficult to get back together, even with a good main spring compressor.)

It shoots Premiers at 700fps - slow by most standards but is extremely accurate. If I want more power/velocity, Marksman FTS or H&N Match will do 850-875fps.

The gun is a keeper. It now has close to 10000rnds - it helped me win the 97 Md State FT Championships beating quite a few TX & PCP guns in the process. To repay it, I carved it a new stock & haven't shot it much since (9month old twin girls don't leave much time, and I've been bitten by the PCP FT rifle bug).

Enjoy!
JC
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Which gun is more powerful ? PE or Rws 48? (in .22 caliber) NT

Msg. 108397  Posted by Marv. on May 02, 1999 at 06:57:19:

nt
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Re: Is this typical British quality?

Msg. 108396  Posted by trevor on May 02, 1999 at 06:52:50:

In Reply to: Re: Is this typical British quality? posted by Alain on May 01, 1999 at 21:37:22:

I think it is pretty well established that the BSA 240 pistol latch has a high failure rate. Even brand new guns inadvertently pop open. Concerns about this defect, in New Zealand, were relayed back to the importer sometime ago. The latch has a gremlin, a design problem! Most BSA and most British guns are very well made and very dependable.
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Re: Is this typical British quality?

Msg. 108395  Posted by Robert Geiger on May 02, 1999 at 05:16:22:

In Reply to: Is this typical British quality? posted by Paul on May 01, 1999 at 21:23:36:


I have had the same "latching" problem. I called PSI and they told me to back off the big screw in back, then tighten after latching...it works, but i see a lot of wear in the mechanism.
This is not my favorite gun...can't hit the broad side of a barn with it and I think it has major design problem that you brought up.
good luck!
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Re: What gun brings back the memories for you?

Msg. 108394  Posted by JDBraddy on May 02, 1999 at 05:13:19:

In Reply to: Re: What gun brings back the memories for you? posted by RBest on May 01, 1999 at 23:59:01:

Somewhere about eight years old, I stumbled accross a Crosman-101 under my granfathers bed. For the next ten years or so, this gun was my constant companion. I can now reminiss of days upon days spent exploring dry creekbeds, pretending to be Daniel Boone or Davie Crockett, countless afternoon sitting on the bank of a turtle infested stockpond with a cain-poll accross one knee, and the Cr-101 accross the other shooting at the noses of snapping turttles protruding from the water. As I got older I learned to get money for pellets by shooting top feeding carp in a nearby streem, I would clean and hang them near the entrance to a local landfill and people coming to the landfill would buy them. I cherish my beloved grandmothers support of my little hunting excursions, no matter what mixmached combination of game I might bring home, It was all expertly prepared and served for dinner to everyones praise and delight. It didn't matter if it was one rabbit, one squirell, one dove, and one small-mouth bass they all where prepared as seperate dishes and served for dinner. Thanks Nana! That particular Cr-101 now resides in my aunt Madaline's tool shed, after years of begging for it, I'm still told on every visit that I can have it someday "when I'm old enough"! Now as I get on in years, I've come to realize that she's holding it hostage to ensure I continue to drive out and visit. I will, and I still never fail to inquire about it.
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www.air-arms.com (NT)

Msg. 108393  Posted by Pedro Mateus on May 02, 1999 at 05:07:55:

NT

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Re: How do you exchange money for a gun

Msg. 108391  Posted by JDBraddy on May 02, 1999 at 04:26:27:

In Reply to: How do you exchange money for a gun posted by Conrad on May 01, 1999 at 18:01:44:

I must highly commend the airgunning community. I have done this quite a few times now, and been "very lucky". Everyone I have delt with has been quite forthcoming and honest. When buying, I have always sent payment first, and have always been fortunate enough to recieve the product I was buying in resonable condition and in a timely mannor. I'd like to express to everyone here that I've had dealings with that I appreciate the honesty and fairness I've been fortunate enough to encounter among airgunners.
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Re: To IM or not to IM

Msg. 108390  Posted by Charles S on May 02, 1999 at 03:28:10:

In Reply to: Re: To IM or not to IM posted by RBest on May 02, 1999 at 03:01:09:

Hi Russ
On the Aol Instant Messenger if it's like the one I have you can go to options and block out all users except the ones on your personal list
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Re: To IM or not to IM

Msg. 108389  Posted by RBest on May 02, 1999 at 03:01:09:

In Reply to: Re: To IM or not to IM posted by Mark Lemm on May 02, 1999 at 02:52:25:

Mark: I can remove it, but my sons use it often to talk to their friends. That's the whole reason I even have it. If this were strictly my own private computer- I'd never have IM. Once they move out on their own- IM is history in this house. Regards, Russ
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Re: To IM or not to IM

Msg. 108388  Posted by Mark Lemm on May 02, 1999 at 02:52:25:

In Reply to: To IM or not to IM posted by Russ Best on May 02, 1999 at 02:19:27:

On my Mac I have removed this feature from Navigator. Are you not able to do the same on a PC?

-Mark
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Re: How do you find info on Tanker Carbine?? (NT)

Msg. 108386  Posted by Garry L on May 02, 1999 at 02:42:47:

In Reply to: Re: How do you find info on Tanker Carbine?? (NT) posted by MR Bulk� on May 02, 1999 at 01:56:12:

Seen the gun at the show also and I'm thinking I seen a seperate filler at the front of the resevior.
Garry
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To IM or not to IM

Msg. 108385  Posted by Russ Best on May 02, 1999 at 02:19:27:

IM= Instant Messenger
I guess I must be different than other computer folk. I have IM and I only use for contacting close friends or my family. Any other use of it seems intrusive to me. It appears there is a whole generation of people that think IM is OK to use at all times and that they can just barge right into whatever we are doing and take up our time. Such is not always the case and to me, it seems like bad manners. Many are the times that I'll be in the middle of anwering questions either here or on other chat forums ( all airgun related), or answering lots of e-mail( also airgun related) when I'm suddenly faced with this window asking me questions. Sometimes there is more than one window popping up. Jeez--- multiple IM's! Well, call me old fashioned or single minded or just plain slow-- but these drive me bananas. Simple e-mail that would have taken 2 minutes to reply to now takes half an hour because I'm hostage to the IM initiator.
You can call this a pet peeve or whatever, but I don't care for IM( with the exception of the groups noted). I don't enjoy the distraction that happens when that window pops up in my face.
Nearly all the airgunners here send me e-mail- which is what I prefer to deal with, especially when there are a series of questions involved.
Thanks for letting me air my peccadillo about IM's, and I'd appreciate it if the airgunners who are using it to communicate with me would please stop. The people who are exceptions to this rule know who they are. Regards, Russ Best
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Re: How do you find info on Tanker Carbine?? (NT)

Msg. 108384  Posted by MR Bulk� on May 02, 1999 at 01:56:12:

In Reply to: Re: How do you find info on Tanker Carbine?? (NT) posted by Sligh on May 01, 1999 at 20:17:42:

Hey Sligh does the air tank on the Career Tanker Carbine have to be screwed on and off too? If they have developed some alternate system (cam-latch or some such), then I too shall be Wanting One Baaad!

MR Bulk�


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Re: Which PCP

Msg. 108383  Posted by MR Bulk� on May 02, 1999 at 01:52:29:

In Reply to: Re: Which PCP posted by Wade on May 01, 1999 at 22:19:42:

Yeah but the twisting effort is much easier, 900 psi vs. 3200 psi (what I charged my Super 12 bottles up to). Plus you can safely lubricate the o-ring and threads of the CO2 bottles with liberal doses of Pellgun oil, whereas Theoben manuals don't recommend any lubrication on the threads of their buddy bottles at all, and just a very spare amount ONLY on the o-ring.

Additionally, a 12 oz. CO2 bottle will give me literally Several Hundred Shots as opposed to just 70-80 from the PCP, so even the frequency of the bottle replacement hassle is significantly less. Which is why I am, after all

MR Bulk�


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Re: Tasco 6-24x44 $170 @ Wal-Mart

Msg. 108382  Posted by Doug Law on May 02, 1999 at 01:48:31:

In Reply to: Tasco 6-24x44 $170 @ Wal-Mart posted by vZc on May 01, 1999 at 21:38:47:

vZc--Check out instead the new sale brochure from Natchetz-they are giving away the Simmons 44 mag in 6-20 for only $139,95--unreal price, other good sale buys also.


Doug Law
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Re: rebarrel a RWS48

Msg. 108381  Posted by Doug Law on May 02, 1999 at 01:45:57:

In Reply to: rebarrel a RWS48 posted by Jim B.in Nv. on May 01, 1999 at 22:49:18:

Jim, I, too am one of those rare air gun guys living in Nevada, Winnemecca, 130 miles east of Reno.,. Where are you located and are there any ten pmeter pistol shooting matches or field target in the area. I would love to travel to compete in them. Whats the story on your RWS 48? Do you just want to rebarrel to change caliber or what??My thought would be to contact Jim Maccari, his address is in the Air Gun Letter reference section, or possible Dave Slade in San Franciksco area. If you want to chat, send me an email at my private post. Are you from the Reno area>>??
I thave a TX-200, Daystate ZHuntsman in field target trim, and a nice Crosman Skanaker match p;istol that I love. I've also got a .25 barrel for the Skanaker but havent shot it much.

Give me a shot pal--Doug Law

doug@null.null
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Re: If you ever get a chance to go to a airgun show....

Msg. 108380  Posted by Garry L on May 02, 1999 at 01:19:06:

In Reply to: If you ever get a chance to go to a airgun show.... posted by PAL on May 01, 1999 at 18:46:09:

Finally home and alive from LittleRock.Had a great time this year as in the past and was great to put faces with several of the regulars on the forum,guessin I'll watch who I mouth off to now!!(haha).Kinda of bummed that Brad Troyer and Rodney Boyce weren't there but hopefully next year.Did get to meet Wade Sutherland and he let me shoot his P70FT,way cool gun.Would of asked him if he'd sell but I figured I probably couldn't afford such a fine peice so I settled with my new Steyr LP1P(I know,life is hard).Special thanks to Mike Reams,Dave Stamper,and Sligh for helping sell a few items of mine,you guys made my trip home a little lighter.That was till Bubba and I went to the local freindly Beeman dealer(Tom Holst) today.Decided that I was a scope heavy and some how a new HW97K made its way into the back of the truck.Thats right,Bubba came along with me this year and well........I ain't sayin nothin.So here I sit with two rifles to scope,a new Steyr pistol that has way too many adjustment,a Axsor pump to figure out and two Airgun revues to read.Tired as heck......goin to bed....
Later
Garry
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Re: Scope Mount and Scope Stop

Msg. 108379  Posted by RBest on May 02, 1999 at 00:56:34:

In Reply to: Re: Scope Mount and Scope Stop posted by Eric Field on May 01, 1999 at 08:26:55:

Eric: many Gamo's have built in scope stops. Look for a piece of metal across the back of the scope grooves. RB
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problem getting mailorder gun across border????

Msg. 108378  Posted by Jeff on May 02, 1999 at 00:26:38:

I'd like to thank the people below for answering my questions on the C-225.
Now, I'm living in Ontario, Canada and have been looking at the C-225 for $330! D&R was mentioned below, I e-mailed them and the mail came back for some reason. If I ordered from them I could get the 225 for about $187 Can after exchange.
Now for me that is a great price, BUT when that gun goes through customs at the border will there be a problem? They are legal here and I don't need a certificate or anything to own one.
Will the gun get here alright?
Thanks
Jeff
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ULGAH!! (NT)

Msg. 108377  Posted by Ulgah on May 02, 1999 at 00:06:25:

In Reply to: Southern gray squirrels are dumb and can't survive an adomenal .177 hollow point @ 40m posted by vZc on May 01, 1999 at 23:21:18:

Ulgah!!
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Re: R1 Tune

Msg. 108376  Posted by E Fudd on May 02, 1999 at 00:03:03:

In Reply to: R1 Tune posted by Donovan Taylor on April 30, 1999 at 14:32:15:

Try shooting it for a few more days. You're about the same size as me, so physically you should be able to do it. My guess is that you'll get used to it fairly quickly. Magnum spring guns can seem very awkward when you're not used to them, just give it a little time.
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Re: What gun brings back the memories for you?

Msg. 108375  Posted by RBest on May 01, 1999 at 23:59:01:

In Reply to: Re: What gun brings back the memories for you? posted by MartinL on April 30, 1999 at 16:04:30:

My very first airgun was Crosman's 140 pumper, and before that I used to shoot my dads 120. Can't even imagine the total number of wonderful hours spent in the woods with that gun. That's the gun that gave me my " if I can see it, I can hit it" phrase. Still have it today, and dad still has the 120. Recently picked up a NIB 1400 Crosman too-- absolutely cherry in every way- even the box and papers. Another Crosman I had as a kid was the V-300 pistol featuring Hi and Lo power spring cocking. Actually took a squirrel with this one day- BB's only in this one. Somewhere along the line, I traded it for a Slavia air rifle. Regards, Russ
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'12 steps' = 12 more airguns? Count me in!!!

Msg. 108374  Posted by Denny D on May 01, 1999 at 23:34:14:

In Reply to: Airgun Addiction: the new 12 step group posted by H. Todd on April 30, 1999 at 22:05:17:

I assume your use of 'AA' stands for "Another Airgun." And the 12 steps are where you limit yourself to only 12 more. And now we get to dream which 12 they would be. And Since the first 'A' stands for Another, we can keep all we have now and just add 12 more. I like this concept!! Denny D
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=?

Msg. 108373  Posted by Ron B on May 01, 1999 at 23:32:55:

In Reply to: 7.9 gr =7.9 gr posted by RBest on May 01, 1999 at 23:26:40:

Imperial; English; Metric; Troy; or the same way the Government figures the US budget?

Ron
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Re: SM 1000

Msg. 108372  Posted by RBest on May 01, 1999 at 23:29:26:

In Reply to: Re: SM 1000 posted by quack on May 01, 1999 at 22:57:20:

Quack: I haven't the foggiest. Russ
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7.9 gr =7.9 gr

Msg. 108371  Posted by RBest on May 01, 1999 at 23:26:40:

In Reply to: Re: CopperHead 7.9 gr DOMED pellets Silver label posted by Jerry Rhodes on May 01, 1999 at 23:25:26:

Or does it?? RB
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Re: CopperHead 7.9 gr DOMED pellets Silver label

Msg. 108370  Posted by Jerry Rhodes on May 01, 1999 at 23:25:26:

In Reply to: CopperHead 7.9 gr DOMED pellets Silver label posted by vZc on May 01, 1999 at 23:04:53:

Ok Vernon,

I give up.

What should have I learned from this "insider" info?

Some pellets don't weight the same as others from the same box?

Please elucidate. Don't keep us on tender hooks.

Jerry
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Re: What gun brings back the memories for you?

Msg. 108369  Posted by John C on May 01, 1999 at 23:23:33:

In Reply to: What gun brings back the memories for you? posted by jrk on April 30, 1999 at 15:40:54:

Took dads old Benjiman pistol to college and a roommatre stole it on the last day. The gun belonged to my Dad's father and it really bummed him out. The guys name was Tom Elscessor and he lived in Ohio so if you run across this gun...
The memory of this unfortunate incident still haunts me today. Disapointing.
Anyway, I remember respecting the quality and power of that old beauty. Got stupid one day and shot in the viscinity of a neighbors picture window. Man, plate glass will break a guy up on a grocery bagging income. This was fun. I feel better. Sorry Dad.
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Southern gray squirrels are dumb and can't survive an adomenal .177 hollow point @ 40m

Msg. 108368  Posted by vZc on May 01, 1999 at 23:21:18:

2 bulls (well developed testes)

I change shooting locations and they could'nt perceive a dangerous lethal threat after super sonic (>1100 fps)crackle near misses and grazing buddy dropped dead within 3'.

A Marksmans brand Silver Bear POI under the spine was lethal within 15 seconds (no movement).

The good RWS-48 .177 was return in 10 days & repaired per request by RWS NJ. Good work Tim C.
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Re: Saw Old Winchester Break Barrel @ Ft. Worth gunshow today , were these imported from RWS ?? (NT)

Msg. 108367  Posted by RBest on May 01, 1999 at 23:20:58:

In Reply to: Saw Old Winchester Break Barrel @ Ft. Worth gunshow today , were these imported from RWS ?? (NT) posted by Johnny on May 01, 1999 at 23:16:33:

Johnny: These Winchesters were made by Mayer & Grammelspacher ( Diana)( RWS). Got a couple myself. One rifle and one pistol. Regards, Russ
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Second URL

Msg. 108366  Posted by Tommy Hudson on May 01, 1999 at 23:17:56:

Made up a second URL - drop me a e-mail - let me know what you think - The pic's will be changed often!- Tommy

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Saw Old Winchester Break Barrel @ Ft. Worth gunshow today , were these imported from RWS ?? (NT)

Msg. 108365  Posted by Johnny on May 01, 1999 at 23:16:33:


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CopperHead 7.9 gr DOMED pellets Silver label

Msg. 108364  Posted by vZc on May 01, 1999 at 23:04:53:

A reputable source (don't ask cause I won't disclose) suggested that the subject was a lighter version of Crosman Premiers .177 caliber 7.9 gr. pellets.

TRUE & cleaner (not quite RWS quality polish)!

My RCBS Electronic Partner scales (-/+0.1 grains) indicates a lighter weight skewed distribution:
grains(count)= 7.7(4) 7.8(17) 7.9(35) 8.0(1).
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Re: SM 1000

Msg. 108363  Posted by quack on May 01, 1999 at 22:57:20:

In Reply to: Re: SM 1000 posted by RBest on May 01, 1999 at 18:21:59:

Can the 11mm mounts be retrofitted to the SS, and if so where can I get one. Thanks, Quack

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Re: Is this typical British quality?

Msg. 108362  Posted by Jim B. in Nv. on May 01, 1999 at 22:54:53:

In Reply to: Is this typical British quality? posted by Paul on May 01, 1999 at 21:23:36:

I have a Challenger Carbine in .22 that I bought nearly ten years back. One day when it still had less than 50 shots in it, the piston just slammed forward as I was in the process of cocking it. The barrel was limp. Turned out the claws on the part that pulled the piston back had not been properly heat sealed and bent allowing the piston to fly forward. I called the company that was importing the BSA's at that time and they sent me out the parts free of charge and I was able to replace them myself. No further problem.
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no CASH COD's from UPS.

Msg. 108361  Posted by RBest on May 01, 1999 at 22:49:33:

In Reply to: Re: How do you exchange money for a gun posted by Charles on May 01, 1999 at 22:24:12:

Charles-- thanks. Roland Cannon just told me that too. My error. No CASH cod's from UPS is correct. RB
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rebarrel a RWS48

Msg. 108360  Posted by Jim B.in Nv. on May 01, 1999 at 22:49:18:

Is anyone out there rebarrelling the RWS M-48?
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It is in this month's AGL! (nt)

Msg. 108359  Posted by Jerry G on May 01, 1999 at 22:45:30:

In Reply to: Tanker carbine review should be in this month's AGL (NT) posted by kimchi on May 01, 1999 at 20:03:33:


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Re: Corn Oil, Leather Seals and Cylinder

Msg. 108358  Posted by RBest on May 01, 1999 at 22:45:14:

In Reply to: Corn Oil, Leather Seals and Cylinder posted by Fearon Steele on May 01, 1999 at 22:11:56:

Fearon: silicone is better for leather seals. Eventually that corn oil will gum up. Corn oil was recommended for the CHINESE TF guns, not the Baikals.The Baikals have SYNTHETIC seals and do NOT need lubricant. Regards, Russ
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Re: muzzle break on gamo 220 hunter?

Msg. 108357  Posted by RBest on May 01, 1999 at 22:42:22:

In Reply to: muzzle break on gamo 220 hunter? posted by patrick on May 01, 1999 at 21:49:23:

Being Gamo-- it's got to be a plastic front sight. Try heating it up nice and hot with a hair dryer on high--- then tap it forwards with a block and a mallet. It should come off. You'll need someone to hold the gun for you while this is done. Russ
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Re: Canadian RWS dealer??

Msg. 108356  Posted by TM on May 01, 1999 at 22:30:11:

In Reply to: Canadian RWS dealer?? posted by Jeff on May 01, 1999 at 17:05:48:

If you have trouble finding a good deal on the C225, you may want to consider the Crosman C40. Here in the States, it can be purchased for around $100. Extra magazines cost under $5 for a pack of 3. The gun lacks a slight bit of the realism possessed by the C225 but not much. It is very capable of competing with the C225 and all the Umarex pistols in weight, feel, accuracy, and performance.
Don't get me wrong. I have nothing against the Umarex pistols. In fact, I think they are great. I am just suggesting an option that you may want to consider.
I am sorry, I don't know of any good dealers up your way.
Good luck with your search.
TM
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Re: How do you exchange money for a gun

Msg. 108355  Posted by Charles on May 01, 1999 at 22:24:12:

In Reply to: Re: How do you exchange money for a gun posted by RBest on May 01, 1999 at 18:05:44:

Err...unless UPS changed their policy in the last few
days they still do COD. The change a while back was
to stop accepting cash - they now only take check,
MO, chashier's check, etc. Charles
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Re: Which PCP

Msg. 108354  Posted by Wade on May 01, 1999 at 22:19:42:

In Reply to: Re: Which PCP posted by MR Bulk� on April 30, 1999 at 13:53:21:

Mr Bulk, how do you "put" on your co2??? Don't
you "screw" them on and off, too???
Just wondering??? Wade
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Corn Oil, Leather Seals and Cylinder

Msg. 108353  Posted by Fearon Steele on May 01, 1999 at 22:11:56:

I heard a lot of people on this forum like using corn oil for its good sealing quality on leather seals. So I decided to try it in my trusty old Baikal. It made me wonder though about whether the old lube would interfere with the sealing properties of the Corn Oil. If it did affect its ability to seal what would be a good way to clean the old lube out of the cylinder? I put my rifle back together and it isn't dieseling, I don't notice any power increase but then again it probably isn't a noticeable increase anyways. It still smells like the old lube when I fire instead of the corn oil. Any thoughts?
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Re: Some ?'s about my new RWS 34

Msg. 108352  Posted by Jerry Rhodes on May 01, 1999 at 22:11:33:

In Reply to: Some ?'s about my new RWS 34 posted by Eric M. on May 01, 1999 at 21:39:59:

Eric,

I have no idea what your physical stature is but being left handed is NOT a handicap. The best shooters in the world shoot left handed. I know. I shoot left handed and on several occasions I have beaten everybody that showed up for the match. The biggest was at Friendship, IN in 1975 when 1,800 showed up. :-).

The "military sling" is not the answer to your problem. The RWS 34 is just a teeny bit heavier than the R9 and it is not a heavy rifle by any means.

I am assuming that you are a fairly new shooter. The ability to hold the gun "still" is an aquired skill that involves eye-brain-muscles and can only be "learned" by thousands of repetitions. You might try resting your right upper arm against your chest and using the forearm and hand to support the rifle lightly. This won't require a large amount of strength in that arm. You also need to start working out that arm and strengthening it. At least that will lessen your apprehension that a lack of strength is the cause of the wiggle.

The best solution is to carefully and deliberately shoot about 500 to 1,000 rounds per month for about 6 or 8 months and see if you still wiggle. I'll bet you won't.

Good shooting,

jerry
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regarding the sling

Msg. 108351  Posted by E Fudd on May 01, 1999 at 22:05:11:

In Reply to: Some ?'s about my new RWS 34 posted by Eric M. on May 01, 1999 at 21:39:59:

Don't use it. Shooting slings are intended to make your shooting position very rigid. This is good for firearms and bad for spring powered airguns. To shoot accurately you need to hold a springer very loosely.
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2200 series Crosman? are they all the same 'engine' and breech? (nt)

Msg. 108350  Posted by Ron B on May 01, 1999 at 21:57:51:


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Re: Is this typical British quality?

Msg. 108349  Posted by TM on May 01, 1999 at 21:55:36:

In Reply to: Is this typical British quality? posted by Paul on May 01, 1999 at 21:23:36:

Every dealer has a different return policy. The most common that I have seen is for you to pay to ship the gun back to them. Since it will most likely be a repair covered under warranty, they will probably pay to ship it back to you. If it does turn out to be a warranty repair, I would call and ask if you can be reimbersed for your cost to ship to them. They may refund your expense but I wouldn't hold my breath.

Good Luck, TM
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Re: Some ?'s about my new RWS 34

Msg. 108348  Posted by RBest on May 01, 1999 at 21:49:28:

In Reply to: Some ?'s about my new RWS 34 posted by Eric M. on May 01, 1999 at 21:39:59:

Eric: side to side play should be checked with the barrel latched in position for firing. If you still have slight play in it after latching, make minor adjustments with the pivot screw until the play goes away. The barrel should be able to JUST drop from it's own weight when you cock the gun, then raise the barrel up most of the way without latching and let it go a a bit. Grease the pivot point and latch if they are fairly dry looking. Regards, Russ
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muzzle break on gamo 220 hunter?

Msg. 108347  Posted by patrick on May 01, 1999 at 21:49:23:

I have a gamo 220 hunter (.177) pellut gun. I do not know how to take off the muzzle break/front sight. Does anyone know how to take it off without damaging the barrel?
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Re: What gun brings back the memories for you?

Msg. 108346  Posted by Rusty on May 01, 1999 at 21:47:59:

In Reply to: What gun brings back the memories for you? posted by jrk on April 30, 1999 at 15:40:54:

My first gun was a Daisy '95 Spitin Image that I goy while on vacation at my aunt's house along the Orange River in Ft.Myers, Fla. My next one was a Gamo with a pistol grip, all metal and no wood. What a shooter. I built a range in my basement and shot it till the seals went bad. I remember cutting pages from Outdoor Life magazines and using them for targets. It was a lot of fun shooting lions, and tigers and bears, Oh my.
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Re: Is this typical British quality?

Msg. 108345  Posted by Jerry Rhodes on May 01, 1999 at 21:43:32:

In Reply to: Is this typical British quality? posted by Paul on May 01, 1999 at 21:23:36:

Paul,

I have the same problem with the latch on the 240. Mine hasn't failed to lock yet but it is only a matter of time. I thought that my Walther LP53 was hard to shoot until I got the 240. My pistol shooter son is able to shoot it fairly well. I am sure that mechanically it is accurate but ergonomically it stinks. I would have been MUCH better off buying another TAU 7. Now that's a shooter!

Jerry
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Some ?'s about my new RWS 34

Msg. 108344  Posted by Eric M. on May 01, 1999 at 21:39:59:

Note:I posted this message earlier but it appears
that it was ovelooked so I'll repost.

I finally got my new RWS 34, problem is, between school and the weather I haven't been able to shoot much lately.
I have been able to shoot some though, and have a couple of questions:

1.the screw where the barrel pivots has a small amount of side to side play. is this normal?

2.lastly, does any body have or now where some good detailed instructions on how to use a military type
shooting sling?
BTW- I have read up on hold sensativity, but I'm left handed and my right arm is relatively
weak making the rather heavy gun hard to hold still,so using sling is the lesser of the 2 evils.

Thanks for any replies, Eric
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Tasco 6-24x44 $170 @ Wal-Mart

Msg. 108343  Posted by vZc on May 01, 1999 at 21:38:47:

Good deal.

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Re: Is this typical British quality?

Msg. 108342  Posted by Alain on May 01, 1999 at 21:37:22:

In Reply to: Is this typical British quality? posted by Paul on May 01, 1999 at 21:23:36:

My first hand experiance of British made rifles has only been with Webley, Air Arms and Parker Hale. These British companies have never let me down. The quality of British made BSA products has been discussed on this forum in the past and was favorable. Give them another chance and return it shipping COD.

Alain
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Re: Is this typical British quality?

Msg. 108341  Posted by RBest on May 01, 1999 at 21:28:47:

In Reply to: Is this typical British quality? posted by Paul on May 01, 1999 at 21:23:36:

Paul: typically, British guns are quite good, and at least on par with the Germans. Contact PSI about this. Regards, Russ
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Is this typical British quality?

Msg. 108340  Posted by Paul on May 01, 1999 at 21:23:36:

I'm new to this board and just purchased a BSA 240 Mag from Precision Sales. Right out of the box the gun was very difficult to latch shut after cocking. Now, after about 40 shots it won't latch at all. I am wondering is it just my bad luck to get a lemon or is this typical of what I can expect from a British made gun. Also, since I now have to return the gun it is customary for me to have to pay for the shipping again or should Precision Sales cover this? Should I try another 240 Mag or ask for a refund and put the money toward a different gun?
Thanks.
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Re: Cometa 300 airgun

Msg. 108339  Posted by trevor on May 01, 1999 at 20:43:53:

In Reply to: Cometa 300 airgun posted by J. Alvaro Ferreira on May 01, 1999 at 00:18:05:

The 300 is a well made budget price rifle. As you have ascertained it is an accurate shooter and in fact holds its own with many of the higher priced European c
"classics". Having said that,it is definitely a mass produced product,metal finish is only average and the stock is pretty basic.BUT,some folk like a silver gun with a jet black stock(that is what mine is like). I'd say, the 300 is an above average breakbarrel rifle, suitable for rodent eliminating and can busting. The mv of my .177 one is 880 fps with Superdomes. I don't expect the 300 will give me any problems for a while! On the Indian,one of the most ingeniously designed air pistols of recent years and a potent shooter to boot!
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Thanks for the info!!!

Msg. 108338  Posted by Dave on May 01, 1999 at 20:33:38:

In Reply to: Re: Gamo Compact posted by Dennis K on May 01, 1999 at 08:22:14:

Hey, guys. Thanks for all the info. I was considering the IZH as well and will now have to check the budget and make a decision.
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Thanks Russ,that certaintly expands the options!(NT)

Msg. 108337  Posted by Paul C. on May 01, 1999 at 20:31:51:

In Reply to: Re: 5 yard near focus scope posted by RBest on May 01, 1999 at 18:13:07:


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Re: How do you find info on Tanker Carbine?? (NT)

Msg. 108335  Posted by Sligh on May 01, 1999 at 20:17:42:

In Reply to: How do you find info on Tanker Carbine?? (NT) posted by andye on May 01, 1999 at 18:07:11:

Andye, I saw one at the LR show and I want one bad. Should be out in about 30 days. Sligh
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Re: If you ever get a chance to go to a airgun show....

Msg. 108334  Posted by Sligh on May 01, 1999 at 20:15:45:

In Reply to: If you ever get a chance to go to a airgun show.... posted by PAL on May 01, 1999 at 18:46:09:

Great show! Renewed old acquaintances and made some new friends.Wonderful time.Best show I've seen as yet. Sligh
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Re:

Msg. 108333  Posted by MR Bulk� on May 01, 1999 at 20:12:47:

In Reply to: posted by Jerry Rhodes on May 01, 1999 at 18:53:52:

Hey! That's what I was gonna say!

Amen.

MR Bulk�


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Tanker carbine review should be in this month's AGL (NT)

Msg. 108332  Posted by kimchi on May 01, 1999 at 20:03:33:

In Reply to: How do you find info on Tanker Carbine?? (NT) posted by andye on May 01, 1999 at 18:07:11:

NT
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Re: If you ever get a chance to go to a airgun show....

Msg. 108331  Posted by Wade on May 01, 1999 at 19:58:02:

In Reply to: If you ever get a chance to go to a airgun show.... posted by PAL on May 01, 1999 at 18:46:09:

The Gatlin BB Gun was the biggest waist of BB's
I've ever seen. Everything else, however, was one
of the best shows yet for Arkansas and Robin Parks.
Congrats Robin and Tonya and everyone involved for
making it the best ever! There were lots of sales and
many happy faces, and I spent too much! Wade
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Re: What gun brings back the memories for you?

Msg. 108330  Posted by Jerry Rhodes on May 01, 1999 at 19:31:15:

In Reply to: What gun brings back the memories for you? posted by jrk on April 30, 1999 at 15:40:54:

When I was in 5th grade I was given a Winchester 72A .22lr that has been my constant companion for the last 50 years. Everybody knew that the ideal gift for me was a "brick" of ammo regardless of the occasion. When I was 13 the cost of ammo got me to thinking about more economical alternatives. That Christmas I got a Crosman 101 that was being sold by Sears for $9.95. (I wish I had bought a few extras) I recently had it re-sealed and when I pick it up to shoot now it is like I have been shot back in time. I have no idea how many thousands of shots I have shot with that gun. For about 3 years (until girls were invented) I was going through 5 or 6 boxes of pellets a month. It is much more accurate today with modern pellets than it was when it was new.
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See the amazing...

Msg. 108329  Posted by Ron B on May 01, 1999 at 19:27:42:

In Reply to: If you ever get a chance to go to a airgun show.... posted by PAL on May 01, 1999 at 18:46:09:

Big Bore air guns flatten lead objects thin as a dime, Daisy prototypes, replica airguns, Antique airguns of all discription, 1200 RPS BB guns, air canes shooting, new Crosman stuff, the Career Tanker, pellets, more airguns and LD.
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Daisy BB gun

Msg. 108328  Posted by Robert Posvic on May 01, 1999 at 18:56:37:

I found a Model 36 Daisy BB gun in working condition. Registration #D134440. Is this gun worth anything to a collector. If so how much should I ask for?
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After many times, I'd .........

Msg. 108327  Posted by H. Todd on May 01, 1999 at 18:55:28:

In Reply to: How do you exchange money for a gun posted by Conrad on May 01, 1999 at 18:01:44:

As my title suggests, I have done this many times. If I feel any question as to the honesty of the person at the other end, I simply don't do it. Talking to people often helps alleviate fears. Asking for references is also a good idea. Most of all though, I purchase using US Postal Money Orders. That way if the person is not on the up and up, he is quilty of mail fraud and the US Attorney General and the Post Master General will track him down. At least the threat of that has always resolved problems. Forget other payment methods until you know the person or get a good solid reference. Also most of us pay first and then the gun is shipped.

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"How do you exchange money for a gun" Good Manners.

Msg. 108326  Posted by Jerry Rhodes on May 01, 1999 at 18:53:52:

In Reply to: How do you exchange money for a gun posted by Conrad on May 01, 1999 at 18:01:44:

Conrad,

I have bought quite a few air rifles and air pistols and sundry other airgun notions from folks that post here and from
Brad's page. I have never been stiffed yet.

I don't expect the seller to ship the goods until he sees the color of my money. I feel that this is "good manners" on the buyer's part..

As has been pointed out before, this is a very small community. If you are about to deal with someone you don't feel comfortable about. Email some of us to find out if we are familiar with them.

I feel that we all agree that we don't want to associate with anyone that does not do a deal as it was agreed to.

On occasion one party has felt cheated and it usually turns out to be a misundestanding that gets worked out.

A small piece of advice that goes for any unsecured deal you might enter into. Don't make a deal that you can't afford to walk away from and chalk up to experience. Life is too short for that kind of anguish.

Jerry
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If you ever get a chance to go to a airgun show....

Msg. 108325  Posted by PAL on May 01, 1999 at 18:46:09:

GO!

I just got back from Little Rock. What a great time! Met people I was familer with from this and other forums. Met people with names familiar to to airgunners. Saw lots of cool stuff, including seeing the "Annihilater" BB rotary barrel machine gun fired at the indoor range they had set up and a demo of the "Cracker Wacker."

I went there planning to look around and pick up my "Lotta Lead" order that Tim was bringing with him and ended up with a Mac built SSP250 w/scope, another scope, 3 books and 2 subscriptions.

Paul


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Sounds good, Thanks for your input, NT

Msg. 108324  Posted by Conrad on May 01, 1999 at 18:28:59:

In Reply to: How do you exchange money for a gun posted by Conrad on May 01, 1999 at 18:01:44:

NT
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Re: SM 1000

Msg. 108322  Posted by RBest on May 01, 1999 at 18:21:59:

In Reply to: Re: SM 1000 posted by carlos on May 01, 1999 at 06:22:46:

Carlos: good point about rail interchangeability. Please be advised however that the BSA Super 10 pcp gun is also a 'standard' 11mm rail, in addition to the Silverstar. Regards, Russ
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Re: How do you exchange money for a gun

Msg. 108321  Posted by Bill on May 01, 1999 at 18:18:43:

In Reply to: How do you exchange money for a gun posted by Conrad on May 01, 1999 at 18:01:44:

In every case where I have purchased a used airgun I have have sent the payment to the seller first. Upon receipt of the payment he has sent me the gun. So for, I've not had a problem.
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Re: 5 yard near focus scope

Msg. 108320  Posted by RBest on May 01, 1999 at 18:13:07:

In Reply to: Re: 5 yard near focus scope posted by Paul C. on May 01, 1999 at 08:08:33:

The Biggest One is the Hakko/CMO 5x20x56, then there are the BSA 2x7x32's, the Marksman 2x7x32 and the Bushnell Sportview 3x9x32. They will all focus from about 7 yards on out. Regards, Russ
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How do you find info on Tanker Carbine?? (NT)

Msg. 108319  Posted by andye on May 01, 1999 at 18:07:11:



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Re: How do you exchange money for a gun

Msg. 108317  Posted by RBest on May 01, 1999 at 18:05:44:

In Reply to: How do you exchange money for a gun posted by Conrad on May 01, 1999 at 18:01:44:

Conrad: UPS no longer handles COD. In every case of my buying a used gun, I sent a postal money order ahead to the party concerned and always got my gun. Regards, Russ
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Is Sing Sung on the Web?? (NT)

Msg. 108316  Posted by andye on May 01, 1999 at 18:04:29:

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How do you exchange money for a gun

Msg. 108315  Posted by Conrad on May 01, 1999 at 18:01:44:

Does any one have suggestions on how to perform
the transfer ?

It is difficult to do between people who live in
different parts of the country and who dont know
each other ?

Would COD through the post office or UPS work ?

Or how about through a gun dealer ?

Conrad
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Re: canadian energy levels/velocities

Msg. 108314  Posted by Ben Landry on May 01, 1999 at 17:54:55:

In Reply to: Re: canadian energy levels/velocities posted by Michael on May 01, 1999 at 17:03:57:

1 killed and 1 wounded in Taber, Alberta high school after a kid opened fire with a swed-off gun, and wearing a blue trench coat. That ring a bell??

Ben
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True Canadians Arise!!!!

Msg. 108313  Posted by Fearon Steele on May 01, 1999 at 17:47:29:

In Reply to: Re: canadian energy levels/velocities posted by Dave K. on May 01, 1999 at 11:14:51:

I believe he is refering to the "copycat" killing at a highschool in Alberta. What I wonder is at what point do Canadians stand up and say NO! NO! to more taxes (we already pay the most) NO to more inane gun laws, NO to more reverse racism masquerading as "Self Gov't". NO to more politicians creating more gov't jobs so it looks like they're doing something because they don't know how to create industry. NO to bleeding heart Liberals who want to turn our Country into the former eastern bloc!! When do Canadians stand up and yell no! I would love to be proud of my Country but under current circumstances pride would be tyrany.
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Re: Cabelas High Pressure Air Pump

Msg. 108312  Posted by The Airgun Letter on May 01, 1999 at 17:08:32:

In Reply to: Cabelas High Pressure Air Pump posted by Scubablizz on May 01, 1999 at 11:04:10:

You wrote:
Is the high pressure pump sold by Cabelas the Axor swedish pump, or the Korean made pump?
==================
As far as I know, Cabela's sells only the Axsor pump.

Edith Gaylord
The Airgun Letter
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http://www.airgunletter.null
http://www.airgunletter.com

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Canadian RWS dealer??

Msg. 108311  Posted by Jeff on May 01, 1999 at 17:05:48:

Ok, I think I'm going to pay too much for a RWS C225 from a local dealer, so does anyone know of a Canadian RWS dealer with good prices??
Thanks
Jeff
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Re: canadian energy levels/velocities

Msg. 108310  Posted by Michael on May 01, 1999 at 17:03:57:

In Reply to: Re: canadian energy levels/velocities posted by Dave K. on May 01, 1999 at 11:14:51:

What's going on in Canada this week?
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You may have a Sportsmatch mount - but you don't have the RIGHT one

Msg. 108309  Posted by The Airgun Letter on May 01, 1999 at 17:01:48:

In Reply to: Thanks, already have a Sportsmatch mount, came with the gun when I bought it in the U.S . n.t. posted by Huck on May 01, 1999 at 14:57:37:

I'm sure you did get a Sportsmatch mount with your gun. Unfortunately, the Beeman company does NOT import the one that has the scope stop pin! They do not import the entire line of Sportsmatch mounts - and since they have an exclusive contract with the manufacturer, you can't get the correct mounts in the US unless you buy them from a British dealer and have them shipped directly to you. Obviously, not all Sportsmatch mounts are the same. And you need one with a scope stop pin, but Beeman doesn't carry them.

Edith Gaylord
The Airgun Letter
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Maryland airgun show info now online

Msg. 108308  Posted by The Airgun Letter on May 01, 1999 at 16:52:44:

The details for the Mid-Atlantic Airgun Show in Maryland can be found on our Web site.

I'm in the process of a massive site update this weekend, and you'll find some new sites and updated information on our Web site. To make it easier to navigate, the link below will take you to our "What's new" Web page. More changes, updates and corrections will be coming soon.

Edith Gaylord
The Airgun Letter
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http://www.airgunletter.null
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Re: BSA Silverstar?

Msg. 108307  Posted by Boone on May 01, 1999 at 16:48:46:

In Reply to: BSA Silverstar? posted by Ed Roehl on April 27, 1999 at 15:05:03:


I'm looking at buying one of the guns you listed as well. Either the RWS 48, SM1000, the BSA Supersport, or maybe the RWS 46.
Sounds like you have looked at these models as possibilities, as well as the Silverstar.
What's your opinion on them?
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Re: Beginner air pistol, RWS C225?? Need advice

Msg. 108306  Posted by Wampas on May 01, 1999 at 16:45:07:

In Reply to: Beginner air pistol, RWS C225?? Need advice posted by Jeff on May 01, 1999 at 16:31:06:

Jeff,
The 225 is a fun gun, fairly accurate and well made. Velocity is just under 400 fps. the RWS C225 can be purchased new at D&R Sports in PA for about $119.00 US. HTH
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OC=Orange County Orange COUNTY nt

Msg. 108305  Posted by David on May 01, 1999 at 16:34:23:

In Reply to: Hunting Grounds Around OC?` posted by David on May 01, 1999 at 15:05:02:



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Re: Scope Mount and Scope Stop

Msg. 108303  Posted by Wampas on May 01, 1999 at 16:33:08:

In Reply to: Re: Scope Mount and Scope Stop posted by Eric Field on May 01, 1999 at 08:26:55:

Eric,
Dampa mounts can be used on all your rifles. You can purchase Dampa Mounts directly from Theoben for about $60.00 US. I have five. HTH
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Beginner air pistol, RWS C225?? Need advice

Msg. 108302  Posted by Jeff on May 01, 1999 at 16:31:06:

I'm not really new to air guns, I've always had them since I was young. Always rifles, now I'm looking at a airpistol to shoot with. Mostly out in the backyard (country) just for fun. I want a good quality gun. I've come across the RWS C225, 4inch barrel. 8 shot, co2. Like I said I'm new to air pistols but the quality of this pistol amazed me! I thought it was a high caliber pistol when I first seen it. It's not like my brother's old plastic crosman that's for sure.
I was wondering how reliable these guns are.
Now for price: I've found it for $330 Can, I don't know if this price is ok or what? Air pistols are hard to find around here especially one of good quality.
Anyone have any experience with the gun? Any thoughts?
Thanks
Jeff
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Re: Hunting Grounds Around OC?`

Msg. 108301  Posted by David on May 01, 1999 at 16:30:05:

In Reply to: Re: Hunting Grounds Around OC?` posted by jcbii on May 01, 1999 at 15:15:17:

Yeah OC means Orange County. Sorry about the mix up.
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Re: What's it worth?

Msg. 108300  Posted by Bill on May 01, 1999 at 16:21:20:

In Reply to: What's it worth? posted by BSJ on May 01, 1999 at 16:04:17:

A nice 130 series pistol with the box is worth about $80-$90.
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Re: NASA needs airgunners..woodpecker probs

Msg. 108299  Posted by Ken Hildebrand on May 01, 1999 at 16:04:50:

In Reply to: Re: NASA needs airgunners..woodpecker probs posted by The Airgun Letter on April 29, 1999 at 13:37:00:

When woodpeckers peck on metal objects, like rain gutters and poles and rockets(!), they are usually trying to drum up a date (kind of a mating call, macho type of thing--look at me pretty bird, I can peck louder than any other potential suitors!).

These metalpeckers are often seen flying into the woods, soaking their sore beaks in cold stream water. ;>)

Ken
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What's it worth?

Msg. 108298  Posted by BSJ on May 01, 1999 at 16:04:17:

Benji. 132 in box with papers and pellet tin complete with some oxidized pellets. The 132 has more than 50-60% original finish, brass rear sight. Holds air. No serial number. The box is in good to very good condition. TIA, Brian
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Re: Crosman 2289 Power

Msg. 108297  Posted by Jeff Guinan on May 01, 1999 at 15:43:52:

In Reply to: Crosman 2289 Power posted by George on May 01, 1999 at 03:33:40:

Only chrono'ed it at 10 pumps. 14.3 Premiers at 500 fps for 7.9 ft. lbs. Easy, fast pumping, though.

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Re: Hunting Grounds Around OC?`

Msg. 108296  Posted by Jeff Guinan on May 01, 1999 at 15:41:31:

In Reply to: Hunting Grounds Around OC?` posted by David on May 01, 1999 at 15:05:02:

Forget it. No hunting around Ocean City.
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Re: Hunting Grounds Around OC?`

Msg. 108295  Posted by jcbii on May 01, 1999 at 15:15:17:

In Reply to: Hunting Grounds Around OC?` posted by David on May 01, 1999 at 15:05:02:

Does OC = Orange County, CA?
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Hunting Grounds Around OC?`

Msg. 108294  Posted by David on May 01, 1999 at 15:05:02:

I live near OC and I was wondering if there are any hunting grounds around OC?
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Thanks, already have a Sportsmatch mount, came with the gun when I bought it in the U.S . n.t.

Msg. 108293  Posted by Huck on May 01, 1999 at 14:57:37:

In Reply to: Here's where/how to buy the correct Sportsmatch mounts for your Patriot posted by The Airgun Letter on May 01, 1999 at 11:55:03:

n.t.
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Are you sure you're on the right forum?

Msg. 108292  Posted by E Fudd on May 01, 1999 at 14:47:06:

In Reply to: Re: canadian energy levels/velocities posted by The Story of M on May 01, 1999 at 13:34:56:

Try reading the book sometime. Definately not mainstream. Full of girls whose erotic appetites are whetted by being beaten and raped. Well written though.
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Re: .22 what is the best for the price/performance

Msg. 108291  Posted by Jim B. in Nv. on May 01, 1999 at 13:59:34:

In Reply to: .22 what is the best for the price/performance posted by Jake on April 29, 1999 at 02:48:28:

This might not be the information you want, but an air rifle with much less performance will still do the job that you are talking about. Airguns that shoot in that power range are prohibitively expensive and most of them are fairly noisy in comparison. I find that a .22 rimfire boltaction or single shot rifle with at least a 20inch barrel is in that power range(even though it only delivers 700fps, it is with a 29grain bullet). That combination is also quieter than the equivelent airgun. You will also find that it is cheaper than the airgun in that power range.
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Re: canadian energy levels/velocities

Msg. 108290  Posted by The Story of M on May 01, 1999 at 13:34:56:

In Reply to: Re: canadian energy levels/velocities posted by Dave K. on May 01, 1999 at 11:14:51:

It is a play on words from the title for a well
known movie some years back "The Story of O"
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Re: Cometa 300 airgun

Msg. 108289  Posted by LOU V.K. on May 01, 1999 at 13:16:58:

In Reply to: Cometa 300 airgun posted by J. Alvaro Ferreira on May 01, 1999 at 00:18:05:


Because this forum is based in the United States,and,most of the reporting here pertains to equipment available domestically,I gravely doubt that anyone here in the States will be able to give you an evaluation.There are a couple of respondents from Portugal,but,I have yet to notice any from Spain. The possibility of some British shooter being familiar with your rifle also exists,as,there is a distributor for Cometa in the U.K..BTW,I am still seeking a source for a Cometa Indian pistol.
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Re: What gun brings back the memories for you?

Msg. 108288  Posted by Mark on May 01, 1999 at 13:09:59:

In Reply to: What gun brings back the memories for you? posted by jrk on April 30, 1999 at 15:40:54:

The gun I cherish most is a Benjamin 310 that sat
in the closet when I was a kid. The stock was broken
in two but my dad used fiberglass cloth and repaired
it, used crayola and put my name on the stock and
covered it over with a good clear coat. Years later
I replaced the stock and have lost the old one and
have searched my parents house several times looking
for my old stock. I know it is there somewhere.
The gun still shoots fine and it sits in my closet
now. I pick it up sometimes just to have the memories
flood over me again. Times were so much more simple
back then in the sixties and seventies...Mark
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Re: trigger tune for to RWS 34

Msg. 108287  Posted by LOU V.K. on May 01, 1999 at 13:09:09:

In Reply to: trigger tune for to RWS 34 posted by CJ on May 01, 1999 at 12:23:41:


Tom Gore,owner of Vortek has developed a drop in replacement sear for thattrigger,which has been reported to be a VAST improvement in both weight of pull,and cleanliness of break.He can be reached by following the links on this forum's resources page. If memory serves,the price of this kit was quite economical.
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Thanks Allen I'll take my chances and try that(nt)

Msg. 108286  Posted by Paul C, on May 01, 1999 at 12:29:07:

In Reply to: Re: 5 yard near focus scope posted by AllenM on May 01, 1999 at 08:17:03:

NT
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Re: R1 Tune

Msg. 108285  Posted by wved on May 01, 1999 at 12:27:44:

In Reply to: Re: R1 Tune posted by wved on May 01, 1999 at 12:26:16:

Duh, I meant earlier post to this one :-). wved
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Re: R1 Tune

Msg. 108284  Posted by wved on May 01, 1999 at 12:26:16:

In Reply to: Re: R1 Tune posted by Donovan Taylor on May 01, 1999 at 10:12:11:

Hi Donovan! This question was already answered in a later post to this one but, if you click on the AGL "airgun resources" button, you'll find his web page as well as a whole bunch of other airgun suppliers & gurus. wved
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Re: R1 Tune

Msg. 108283  Posted by wved on May 01, 1999 at 12:25:53:

In Reply to: Re: R1 Tune posted by Donovan Taylor on May 01, 1999 at 10:12:11:

Hi Donovan! This question was already answered in a later post to this one but, if you click on the AGL "airgun resources" button, you'll find his web page as well as a whole bunch of other airgun suppliers & gurus. wved
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trigger tune for to RWS 34

Msg. 108282  Posted by CJ on May 01, 1999 at 12:23:41:

Can you give a suggestions on how to tweak the trigger on my RWS 34 I'd like lighter just a little lighter pull.

Thanks

CJ
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You are incorrect.

Msg. 108281  Posted by E Fudd on May 01, 1999 at 12:15:50:

In Reply to: Re: SHOOTING IN THE CITY?/ LAWS / WHAT GUN IS BEST FOR ME? posted by CK on May 01, 1999 at 03:34:50:

Federal law does not recognise airguns as firearms. That is why you do not have to fill out paperwork when you buy them and it is also why you may buy them through the mail or silenced or in full auto form. The feds have no control over them, (unless you are trying to bring one onto federal property). If you doubt this call the ATF and ask. I have.
Local laws often do consider airguns to be firearms, but you will find that very rarely will the police actually enforce this if you are behaving yourself. Same thing applies to just about every other infraction mentioned previously. Unless you live in D.C. or some other police state, few if any policemen will harrass you for owning, using or transporting an airgun in a responsible manner. If this has you concerned however, put it in a case during transport. It will almost always satisfy laws concerning transport and public display of a weapon, (again, use common sense. Don't try to take it on a bus.)
To check out your local laws, try using the word "code", or "municipal code" in your searches.
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Re: Web page for Jim Maccari amp; Paul Watts

Msg. 108280  Posted by The tooth fairy on May 01, 1999 at 12:05:34:

In Reply to: Web page for Jim Maccari amp; Paul Watts posted by Ted on May 01, 1999 at 11:55:43:

if you find one you have found both........

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Re: QUESTION QUESTION

Msg. 108279  Posted by Jerry Rhodes on May 01, 1999 at 11:58:31:

In Reply to: QUESTION QUESTION posted by David on May 01, 1999 at 02:11:22:

David,

Try the link below if you want a real expert's take on the R9.

Jerry

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Web page for Jim Maccari amp; Paul Watts

Msg. 108278  Posted by Ted on May 01, 1999 at 11:55:43:

Could you tell me the Web pages for Jim Maccari
and Paul Watts? I've heard they have some good deals
for the R9...
Thanx
Ted
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Here's where/how to buy the correct Sportsmatch mounts for your Patriot

Msg. 108277  Posted by The Airgun Letter on May 01, 1999 at 11:55:03:

In Reply to: For Russ : posted by Huck on April 30, 1999 at 20:41:07:

The correct Sportsmatch mounts for your Beeman Kodiak/Webley Patriot (and FWB 124 airguns) are not imported to the US. The correct one is available by calling Manchester Airguns in England. Yes, it's a long distance call, but in less than 2 weeks, you'll have the correct mount. Get out your credit card and call 44-16-1681-7947. In the US, you would dial 011 before dialing the other numbers, as this gets us an overseas line. I don't know what you'd dial for an overseas line from a Canadian phone. But the rest of the numbers are correct.

The mount comes with a scope stop pin and will work flawlessly on your gun. Many, many other US shooters have called Manchester for this mount. Manchester is accustomed to working with people from the US and Canada who are purchasing the correct mounts for these guns. You'll be pleased with their high level of customer service and their interest in getting the product to you right away. You'll pay less than $30, as I recall - although exchange rates do fluctuate and might affect the current price of the mounts.

Edith Gaylord
The Airgun Letter
staff@null.null
http://www.airgunletter.null
http://www.airgunletter.com

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Re: Scope Mount and Scope Stop

Msg. 108276  Posted by E Fudd on May 01, 1999 at 11:46:46:

In Reply to: Re: Scope Mount and Scope Stop posted by Eric Field on May 01, 1999 at 08:26:55:

You will not need an extra stop with the dampa mount. I have been using a dampa mount on my Kodiak for years now and it just won't budge. If you combine a 50mm scope with AO with a dampa mount it will be a very tight fit. I had to shim the front of mine up just a tiny bit to make sure there was no contact.
As far as your Gamo is concerned, you will still need airgun mounts for it. You could go with two piece mounts, but if you do make sure you have a set screw or scope stop. You should get an airgun scope for that too.
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Re: SM 1000

Msg. 108275  Posted by Jerry Rhodes on May 01, 1999 at 11:44:46:

In Reply to: Re: SM 1000 posted by JB on May 01, 1999 at 01:44:43:

JB,

I am not so charitable towards the SM1000. I suppose I am not "lucky". I do want to say that the folks at IAR are good people and were a pleasure to deal with. I got a replacement rifle because the first one would not allow me to load a pellet except from the muzzle before I could tape up the bad one and send it back. (The next day.) Only Dell and Micron have treated me this way before.

If you like to tinker and are on a fixed income or limited airgun budget then the SM1000 can be a lot of fun. I would characterize it as "agricultural". There is a lot of iron in it and cast soft metals where you would normally expect plastic. They seem to have one tap that is used for all screw sizes and pitches. The breech seal looks like a piece of black PVC pipe that has been heated and stuffed into place. Somebody suggested a seal from a Gamo, I think, that is a good replacement. I am going to try it.

RWS would be better advised to spend their money in their R & D department trying to copy the Chinese improvement to their trigger system than paying legal fees trying to stop a "look alike" of their design. It is like Ford suddenly going to court to stop Chevrolet from making cars that looked like Ford; Engine, 4 wheels, roll up windows etc., etc., etc.

My choice is the BSA SS .177 two to one over the SM1000.

Jerry

Th
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Re: Buy a used gun!

Msg. 108274  Posted by The Airgun Letter on May 01, 1999 at 11:39:17:

In Reply to: Re: Buy a used gun! posted by carlos on April 30, 1999 at 22:40:51:

You wrote:
Bexar County is the San Antonio metropolitan area and Mr.Flannery might have several
different local ordinances to deal with concerning airguns. If I remember correctly he may not
even be old enough to buy pellets. I believe he has to be either 16 or 18 years old to buy them.
-------------------
You're right - he will definitely have to look into his local municipal and county shooting laws. I was just attempting to pinpoint his location in the hopes of putting him in touch with an experienced airgunner in his area. I thought that would help to better acquaint him with the local laws and see if someone might be kind enough to assist him personally - and maybe even show him some of their own guns so he could try out some different airguns.

Edith Gaylord
The Airgun Letter
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http://www.airgunletter.null
http://www.airgunletter.com

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Re: RWS48 .20 and .25 calibers are new rifles per RWS NJ. call Leigh or wait for more postings nt.

Msg. 108273  Posted by Jerry Rhodes on May 01, 1999 at 11:15:36:

In Reply to: Re: RWS48 .20 and .25 calibers are new rifles per RWS NJ. call Leigh or wait for more postings nt. posted by Billy on April 30, 1999 at 22:22:56:

Billy,

We were going back an forth on this 24+ ft lbs thing on the RWS .20 about 10 days ago. Based on my experience with my .22 and .25 RWS 48's, I felt that this would have been a quantum leap in efficiency for the 48 if the powerplant had not, in some way, changed. The 774 ft/sec figure makes more sense. When vZc gets his we will find out exactly what it shoots. If it gets 24#'s I will soon have 3 RWS 48's.

Jerry
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Re: canadian energy levels/velocities

Msg. 108272  Posted by Dave K. on May 01, 1999 at 11:14:51:

In Reply to: Re: canadian energy levels/velocities posted by The Story 0f M on April 30, 1999 at 23:13:42:

Nice handle, what does it mean?

As to the Career, if the airgun were affordable, it would be worth considering as a hunting rifle.
The way things are going this week in Canada (and Alberta in particular) it won't be long before the government moves to ban all guns.

Dave K.


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Cabelas High Pressure Air Pump

Msg. 108271  Posted by Scubablizz on May 01, 1999 at 11:04:10:

Is the high pressure pump sold by Cabelas the Axor swedish pump, or the Korean made pump? Thanks...
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Re: Gamo Compact

Msg. 108270  Posted by Johnny on May 01, 1999 at 10:57:52:

In Reply to: Gamo Compact posted by Dave on May 01, 1999 at 03:37:15:

Probably a best buy, the trigger usually needs a little tweeking but other than that the gun shoots alot better than I can. The other one you might consider is the Russian IZH-46 for $259 from Airgun Express, which is an excellent buy for a match gun.

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Re: Gamo Compact

Msg. 108269  Posted by Pedro Mateus on May 01, 1999 at 10:54:18:

In Reply to: Gamo Compact posted by Dave on May 01, 1999 at 03:37:15:

I own a Gamo Compact and use it for UIT/ISSF 10 meter competition. After 10.000 pellets thru it I'm very pleased with her. Scores of 520-540 (/600) are at the reach of all average shooters with sistematic trainning. A great value for money.

If you considerer to expend more money, take a look at the IZH-46. But if you do are on a short budget the Compact wont disapoint you.

Pedro Mateus.
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There are only two kinds of shooters: snipers and targets.

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Re: Jim Maccari be Da Man to see for the R9!nt

Msg. 108268  Posted by Jim on May 01, 1999 at 10:42:23:

In Reply to: Re: Best deal/place for Beeman R9? posted by Jerry G on May 01, 1999 at 08:25:10:



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More than model of this scope.

Msg. 108267  Posted by GF on May 01, 1999 at 10:37:42:

In Reply to: scope for TX 200 posted by Greg Jorstad on April 30, 1999 at 16:06:51:

This a acceptable scope for a TX 200. Just be carefull that you are getting the features that you want. There are actually at least 3 turret configurations. "Dime" turrets, Finger turrets, and Target turrets. I am not sure of any other features on the Bushnell. I have a Bausch and Lomb 5-15X50 on my TX 200 and I like it a lot. It is not perfect but it is very nice. Make sure you get a good solid mount for the scope. Less than good quality mounts will cause you misery.
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Re: SM 1000

Msg. 108266  Posted by LOU V.K. on May 01, 1999 at 10:16:04:

In Reply to: Re: SM 1000 posted by JB on May 01, 1999 at 01:44:43:


I do own both.I much prefer the SM.If you order one,be sure to look closely atthe offer by IAR to have Tom Mac Murray (MAC 1) do a complete check over on the rifle,and rectify any and all shortcomings,for the paltry sum of an additional $19.95.If you are experienced in spring piston air gun repair work,you can keep this money in your pocket,and,do this work yourself. The SS is virtually ready for extended use,as it comes from the box,but,will never be the rifle that the SM is,after some small work is done on the SM. I seem to reach for the SM about three times as often as I do for the SS.
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Re: SM 1000

Msg. 108265  Posted by LOU V.K. on May 01, 1999 at 10:15:46:

In Reply to: Re: SM 1000 posted by JB on May 01, 1999 at 01:44:43:


I do own both.I much prefer the SM.If you order one,be sure to look closely atthe offer by IAR to have Tom Mac Murray (MAC 1) do a complete check over on the rifle,and rectify any and all shortcomings,for the paltry sum of an additional $19.95.If you are experienced in spring piston air gun repair work,you can keep this money in your pocket,and,do this work yourself. The SS is virtually ready for extended use,as it comes from the box,but,will never be the rifle that the SM is,after some small work is done on the SM. I seem to reach for the SM about three times as often as I do for the SS.
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Re: R1 Tune

Msg. 108264  Posted by Donovan Taylor on May 01, 1999 at 10:13:59:

In Reply to: Re: R1 Tune posted by Mark Lemm on April 30, 1999 at 20:42:33:

Thank you for your response. I will definately be exploring my options.
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Re: R1 Tune

Msg. 108263  Posted by Donovan Taylor on May 01, 1999 at 10:12:11:

In Reply to: Re: R1 Tune posted by Billy on April 30, 1999 at 22:27:54:

Who is Maccari? How do I find him?
Thank you for responding to my post.
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Re: Spring Piston for BEEMAN HW30

Msg. 108262  Posted by LOU V.K. on May 01, 1999 at 09:59:35:

In Reply to: Spring Piston for BEEMAN HW30 posted by Hendrik Engel on May 01, 1999 at 09:37:48:


Because of the small swept volume,( cubic displacement ) of the little HW 30,it's power is very limited.It will take a much larger piston chamber to provide additional power. This means a different rifle.
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Re: QUESTION QUESTION

Msg. 108261  Posted by rk on May 01, 1999 at 09:41:09:

In Reply to: QUESTION QUESTION posted by David on May 01, 1999 at 02:11:22:

Try either of these two sites for more descriptions about Beeman products:

http://www.straightshooters.com
http://www.airgunexpress.com
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Spring Piston for BEEMAN HW30

Msg. 108260  Posted by Hendrik Engel on May 01, 1999 at 09:37:48:

I have a big problem. My BEEMAN HW30 air rifle has
only a power of 500fps. I am searching for long
times for a spring piston with more power. Who
knows where I can find such thing?
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Re: Gamo Compact

Msg. 108259  Posted by Scott Carter on May 01, 1999 at 09:23:58:

In Reply to: Gamo Compact posted by Dave on May 01, 1999 at 03:37:15:


Dave-

The Gamo is a great gun. I bought mine second hand from the American Airgun classifieds and love it. It is very accurate and the grip is fantastic. I will be using mine in my first official match tomorrow. Check the classifieds for one if you do't mind second hand, otherwise www.compasseco.com has it for $169.00. I have bought from them and they are a great company. Welcome to the club, and good shooting.

Scott

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Re: What gun brings back the memories for you?

Msg. 108258  Posted by Roger on May 01, 1999 at 09:23:26:

In Reply to: What gun brings back the memories for you? posted by jrk on April 30, 1999 at 15:40:54:

not so much the first Daisey I received for my 13th birthday but the Crosman 760 Pumpmaster I purchased for myself with money that I saved from my paper route. Was the First gun that I owned that I truly believed looked like a gun. With the use of pellets rather than BBs and pumping the full ten strokes., I became quite the hunter of sparrows and mice on the farm. Still think about the days I would go wandering in the woods with it.
I have two sons now (2 & 5). Hope they get to have some of the same memories.
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Re: Mounting a scope on a BSA SS

Msg. 108257  Posted by Jerry G on May 01, 1999 at 09:17:01:

In Reply to: Re: Mounting a scope on a BSA SS posted by RBest on April 28, 1999 at 23:48:02:

Alternative is to sight-in with actual POI 2mm to whatever side the scope is off-center. This puts scope parallel with bore and maintains 2 mm bias regardless of distance. We're taking less than 0.08" here!
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Re: SHOOTING IN THE CITY?/ LAWS / WHAT GUN IS BEST FOR ME?

Msg. 108256  Posted by Roger on May 01, 1999 at 09:13:34:

In Reply to: SHOOTING IN THE CITY?/ LAWS / WHAT GUN IS BEST FOR ME? posted by Steven Flannery on April 30, 1999 at 17:34:13:

Steve, be careful. You may have to contend with both Local (city) ordinances as well as county ordinances. This is on top of state laws regarding the purchase and ownership of guns and ammunition. Additionally, If you live in a sudivision, the restrictive covenants which go with the property may prohibit the use of guns in your subdivision. If so, your parents may get in trouble if a neighbor gets honked off at you for shooting in your back yard. Be very careful as to the final destination of your pellets.
The easiest and first step in finding out if any one of the ordinances apply to you is to go to your local library. It should have a copy of the local and county ordinances. You could ask you social studies teacher for help. Although you could ask, the prosecutor may not know or may be unwilling to talk to you as prosecutors sometimes only talk to other lawyers and do not like giving out advise. Do you know any local police officers who may be able to answer your qestions. You may also have to call city hall or the county clerk's office to get the latest editions of the ordinances.
Good luck, I hope that there are no great hurtles to you being able to do your shooting.
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Re: Best deal/place for Beeman R9?

Msg. 108255  Posted by Tim A. on May 01, 1999 at 09:08:11:

In Reply to: Best deal/place for Beeman R9? posted by Ted on May 01, 1999 at 01:48:38:

Ted do yourself a favor and get a tuned R9 it
makes a world of difference. The gun will be much
quiter when you shoot it no spring vibration,smoother
cocking, and more power. I have a tuned .20 cal
that Jim Maccari tuned its real nice I have never
had Paul Watts tune a gun for me but from what I
understand you cant go wrong with either guy.
I think you made a great gun choice the
R9 is my favorite springer mainly because it doesnt
way as much as most so its a lot nicer to carry
all day in the woods. Happy Shooting Tim A.
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Beauty and Worth.......

Msg. 108254  Posted by Sage on May 01, 1999 at 08:51:19:

In Reply to: Attn: Newlywed airgunners posted by MikeZ on April 29, 1999 at 20:00:58:

....is in the eye of the beholder. My wedding ring is titanium and Granite. Rather common materials, cut polished and set in an unusual ring. I like to tell people its A lot like me, common materials, but when you stop and take the time to really appreciate them, it is quite intrigueing and beautful,(paid $400 for it ,and is priceless to me, because it stands for so much more than some paper trading card,(money)or what society says is valueable.. My wifes ring is her mothers' diamond set with pink saphires in a contemporary gold setting by a local Jeweler friend. Paid $750 for it. She loves it and gets compliments on it all the time.

Just because society says something should have value doesn't really make it true.......at least for me and my wife.

Hell, I would have had a silver, "silver jet" set in a ring if she would have let me.


-Sage
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Re: .22 what is the best for the price/performance

Msg. 108253  Posted by Jerry G on May 01, 1999 at 08:44:18:

In Reply to: Re: .22 what is the best for the price/performance posted by Mark Lemm on April 30, 1999 at 03:27:35:

$429.95 (new) at Cabelas.
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Re: Scope Mount and Scope Stop

Msg. 108252  Posted by Eric Field on May 01, 1999 at 08:26:55:

In Reply to: Re: Scope Mount and Scope Stop posted by CK on May 01, 1999 at 04:12:25:

Will I still need a scope stop if I get the Dampa mount?

Also, what sort of inexpensive mount/stop combo would you recommend for the GAMO ?

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Re: Best deal/place for Beeman R9?

Msg. 108251  Posted by Jerry G on May 01, 1999 at 08:25:10:

In Reply to: Re: Best deal/place for Beeman R9? posted by jcbii on May 01, 1999 at 02:05:09:

Jim Maccari has R-9 at $250 (untuned). Clearance on .20 cal. R-9 at $235 until they are gone (as of his 4/22 msg. on Delphi). HTH
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Re: Gamo Compact

Msg. 108250  Posted by Dennis K on May 01, 1999 at 08:22:14:

In Reply to: Gamo Compact posted by Dave on May 01, 1999 at 03:37:15:

Hi Dave, I consider my Gamo Compact one of the best guns in my collection. I've had mine over a year now and it has been proven to be an extremely accurate and reliable pistol. It's easy to cock and load, the sights adjust easily and it feel very comfortable in my hand. It may not have as much power as some of the other guns but for target shooting, in my opinion, you just can't beat it. It still wind up talking to myself when I shoot this gun and I'm still amazed at the nice groups I get. Give it a try. You won't be sorry. Good shooting. Dennis
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Re: Barrel cockers vs side cockers

Msg. 108249  Posted by Lou C on May 01, 1999 at 08:20:24:

In Reply to: Re: Barrel cockers vs side cockers posted by RickK on April 30, 1999 at 21:01:57:

>Yes the industry (even the chinese guns) has got a handle on the latch for the break-barrel guns. There are,however,
>problems if the barrel is released and it snaps shut. First would be the loss of a finger, and second would be dammage to the

Wouldn't their still be the same problem of a chopped finger even with some under/side levers? This past weekend, I shot a
TX200 for the first time (Thanks BTW to Rick S, who also makes nice field targets) and part of a safe procedure is to hold the
cocking arm while you load a pellet just to be sure there is no danger. My personal bias is to not move the alignment
between barrel and sights if at all possible. In THEORY, a fixed barrel should shoot better because the barrel/sight alignment
should not change. Just my thoughts.

Lou
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Re: 5 yard near focus scope

Msg. 108248  Posted by AllenM on May 01, 1999 at 08:17:03:

In Reply to: 5 yard near focus scope posted by Paul C. on April 30, 1999 at 21:50:35:

A 3x9 Bushnell Sportview can easily be modified to focus at 5 yards. You must use a tiny screwdriver to remove the retaining screw on the knurled portion of the front bell which will then unscrew. There is a brass stop screw that limits the near focus to 10 yards. Remove that screw and reassemble. The scope will now focus down to 5 yards clear and bright. Warning: The end bell can now completely come off if you turn it too much. Also you have voided the warranty by doing the modification. Although removing the stop screw provides a path to allow moisture to enter the scope I have never had a problem (I made this modification over 1 year ago). One last note the Bushnell scope I modified is about 5 years old I don't know if current production can be modified.
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Re: 5 yard near focus scope

Msg. 108247  Posted by Paul C. on May 01, 1999 at 08:08:33:

In Reply to: Re: 5 yard near focus scope posted by RBest on April 30, 1999 at 22:13:54:

Russ,A friend and I have a Short back yard range that starts at 5 yds.
I really don't know if this kind of scope would improve my shot air pistol shot to shot consistency at such short
distances and it's likely that a 7yd scope would be plenty.Could you tell the names
of these scopes? thanks.

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"Yankee" no longer PC. They're "Regionally Challenged" now! NT

Msg. 108246  Posted by MikeD on May 01, 1999 at 08:08:07:

In Reply to: almost as bad as a yankee posted by jed on April 28, 1999 at 15:08:17:



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Thanks Russ- one-piece mount n.t.

Msg. 108245  Posted by Huck on May 01, 1999 at 08:06:15:

In Reply to: Re: For Russ : posted by RBest on April 30, 1999 at 21:39:15:

n.t.
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Re: P1:When were they first made? NT

Msg. 108244  Posted by MikeD on May 01, 1999 at 07:53:09:

In Reply to: P1:When were they first made? NT posted by Ross on April 30, 1999 at 15:27:36:


The P1 first appeared in the Beeman catalog in Edition 12, dated January 1985, so it may have been on the market in Europe (as the HW 45) in late '84?

The first P1 I ever saw was in a shop in Atlanta and I distinctly remember that it had a blue finish that looked like an epoxy similar in quality to Webleys. My own P1 was bought in mid-'85 (paid $132 new from FSI, can you believe it?) and has a smooth gray-black finish that looks like anodizing to me.

The gun still shoots great and looks pretty much like the day I got it. I have re-sprung it once and kept the original piston seal as it still looked new.

The breech seal in my gun is a very small O-ring. I have a rebuild kit which has a much fatter ring in it; whether this has changed over the years, or the kit had the wrong thing in it, I don't know.
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Re: Airgun Addiction: the new 12 step group

Msg. 108243  Posted by Bill B. on May 01, 1999 at 07:46:10:

In Reply to: Airgun Addiction: the new 12 step group posted by H. Todd on April 30, 1999 at 22:05:17:

Step 1: Admit that I'm powerless over airguns; and my life has become unmanageable.

Step 2: Turn to Brad's page.

Step 3: Apologize to wife and start over.

B.


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Re: What gun brings back the memories for you?

Msg. 108242  Posted by MikeD on May 01, 1999 at 07:41:42:

In Reply to: What gun brings back the memories for you? posted by jrk on April 30, 1999 at 15:40:54:

Two beauties that still, fortunately, reside in my gun case.

First is a Daisy model 25, a 1947-vintage one with walnut forend, "gum wood" buttstock, and real bluing. My grandmother bought it to chase squirrels out of her yard, and whenever my brother and I would visit she would let us bang away with it in the back yard. Countless pinched fingers but who cared? She gave this to me a few years ago before she passed away at 101. It still shoots fine and will never be leaving here.

Second is the Benjamin 347 I got for Christmas in 1968. It was my constant companion for walks at the lake and in the woods throughout my teenage years. Had it rebuilt a few years ago and it's still going strong (also had it refinished which I sort of regret from a nostalgia point of view) and pretty accurate, in spite of the fact that the rifling is worn slap out of it. Nothing quite beats the old Benjys for the combo of real power, quality construction, and portability.

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Re: Barrel cockers vs side cockers

Msg. 108241  Posted by MikeD on May 01, 1999 at 07:29:22:

In Reply to: Barrel cockers vs side cockers posted by Rusty on April 30, 1999 at 20:50:05:

FWIW, I have seen more than one fixed-barrel gun that had barrel alignment problems, i.e. not on quite the same axis as the receiver. Makes it very interesting getting sights to work.

So it's worth checking on any air rifle, not just the barrel-cockers.

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Re: AIRGUNNERS IN SAN DIEGO?????????

Msg. 108240  Posted by tito on May 01, 1999 at 07:03:34:

In Reply to: AIRGUNNERS IN SAN DIEGO????????? posted by Tim S on May 01, 1999 at 01:05:29:

Tim:
Have you heard of Escondido Fish and Game?
Check them out, when I was there they shoot airguns.
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Airgun Letter Forum: Messages posted in the past 2 days

Russ, Read this

Msg. 109115  Posted by Sam Adams on May 05, 1999 at 05:41:58:

In Reply to: Re: Bravo Russ II posted by RBest on May 03, 1999 at 19:42:24:

Maybe my way of talking was not ok,
really no hurt was meant.
and yes, I think I'm so lucky with all my guns
that what made me consider the "breaking 2000" a rumor, God.. I must be the luckiest man on the earth!!
sorry for any unmeant offensing and I really respect you Russ.
Sam.
P.s All of you guys, tell me what must I say to someone who replys to my no-email message and at last says"
(((And WHY am I responding to a nameless, faceless, address-less phantom anyway? MR Bulk)))
MY ansewr will be "no one told you to respond anything" ?
is it a logic answer?
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Thanks n.t.

Msg. 109114  Posted by Huck on May 05, 1999 at 05:26:27:

In Reply to: Re: Pellets flush or past flush posted by RBest on May 04, 1999 at 18:30:27:

n,t,
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Re: While we're talking about the 2289...

Msg. 109113  Posted by MR Bulk� on May 05, 1999 at 04:33:07:

In Reply to: Re: While we're talking about the 2289... posted by Benoit Landry on May 04, 1999 at 20:42:14:

I really think they are two different guns. I also think air and CO2 are different gases and will not behave alike as far as their specific properties are concerned. For example when you chill/compress CO2 it liquifies, plain old atmospheric air does not.

The 2250 and 2260 are probably the same powerplants, but the 2289 is different and has no "older brother" to compare with. Maybe the 2289 is already the maxed-out setup Crosman could come up with given manufacturing-to-a-price constraints.

I do know that there are many, many ways to skin a cat (sorry Edith). Just look at the multitude of airgun mods that people have been coming up with for factory-stock airgun products. Try stuff out - let us know.

But as I said before, if you find that a 2289 with a 22�-inch barrel at 10 pumps gives optimum velocity (pellet starts slowing down when barrel gets to 23 inches for example), then at 9 pumps the 22�-inch barrel will probably make the gun waaay slower, since optimum barrel length for 9 pumps is differernt, as it would be for 8, 7, 6, etc., pumps.

MR Bulk�


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How long can a pneumatic stay pumped?

Msg. 109112  Posted by Fearon Steele on May 05, 1999 at 03:57:22:

I was considering buying a Crosman Backpacker for my favorite gopher hunting spot. Of course those of you who hunt know that by the time you reach pump #10, loaded and aimed you've probably already lost your shot. I know there seems to be a bit of a debate as to how long it's healthy to leave a springer loaded but what about pneumatics? Would you experience any power loss over say 10 minutes?
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Re: KUDOS ! How about a site for Light Optics Works ? : we need to call lightforce and bug them to come out with a airgun scope AO from 10-75yrds

Msg. 109111  Posted by M Boyle on May 05, 1999 at 03:18:00:

In Reply to: KUDOS ! How about a site for Light Optics Works ? nt. posted by vZc on May 04, 1999 at 19:39:03:

not yet but soon. ive called nightforce\lightforce on a scope but the only one they say may go to 10yrds is a 10X scope they have. i dont understand why but thats what they say. there thinking of a airgun ver but i was told they didnt go over well and they droped them.
if i whated NightForce to come out with one id call and bug them. and tell them they should me all there scope AO to 10yrds or less

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Re: While we're talking about the 2289...

Msg. 109110  Posted by TJ on May 05, 1999 at 03:07:16:

In Reply to: Re: While we're talking about the 2289... posted by Benoit Landry on May 04, 1999 at 20:42:14:


wouldn't that be ��2289� ;)
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Re: A good gun for hunting in .22?

Msg. 109109  Posted by ToddN on May 05, 1999 at 02:59:31:

In Reply to: Re: A good gun for hunting in .22? posted by RBest on May 03, 1999 at 21:55:57:

Actually, Russ, he COULD eat the washing machine -
if he had the teeth and digestive tract of "Mr Eat-Everything"
Michel Lotito of France, whose diet since 1966 has
included 10 bicycles, a supermarket cart, seven tv sets,
six chandiliers, a computer and one low-calorie Cessna airplane.
Hey, even your rare Blue Hugo was edible! ;)

cheers,
Todd
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Re: Hunting story

Msg. 109108  Posted by JB on May 05, 1999 at 02:45:25:

In Reply to: Re: Hunting story posted by Adam on May 05, 1999 at 01:59:29:

Sierra Vista
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Re: Too noisy too.

Msg. 109107  Posted by ToddN on May 05, 1999 at 02:43:48:

In Reply to: Too noisy too. posted by E Fudd on May 05, 1999 at 00:53:51:

Gotcha, Elmer. Good pts. too. And I figured you knew
what you were talking about. I just wanted to mention
what I did for the sake of the some added understanding.

Cheers,
Todd
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Re: Difference tween a TX and PE

Msg. 109106  Posted by JMartin on May 05, 1999 at 02:42:16:

In Reply to: Re: Difference tween a TX and PE posted by Doug Law on May 05, 1999 at 00:41:16:

Lost Wages! Not much air gun action that I can find! Maybe we can get something going!
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Re: Who makes Marksman

Msg. 109105  Posted by Wayne on May 05, 1999 at 02:23:31:

In Reply to: Re: Who makes Marksman posted by LOU V.K. on May 03, 1999 at 21:25:02:

I have seen the Marksman mod. 70 at the local Sports Authority. It is the standard R10 minus the hype. Since it is priced lower than an R-9, with about the same performance, it is a better deal. The problem is when I went back to buy one, they were out and S.A. had no plans to bring any more in. Could it be that HW does not make the model 85 anymore?

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44 Mag is a better cheap scope. budget $300+ for V24 nt.

Msg. 109104  Posted by vZc on May 05, 1999 at 02:22:57:

In Reply to: Yes, but... posted by David M on May 04, 1999 at 21:34:08:

.
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Re: Career 707

Msg. 109103  Posted by Conrad on May 05, 1999 at 02:22:24:

In Reply to: Career 707 posted by Geoff.R.C. on May 03, 1999 at 09:59:26:

What is the diffence bettween the career
carbine and rifle ?

Which do you like best ?

What do you think about the tanker
carbine ?

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Re: Rabbit Hunting Tips: timing is everything, past a powerful rifle

Msg. 109101  Posted by M Boyle on May 05, 1999 at 02:04:10:

In Reply to: Re: Rabbit Hunting Tips posted by Adam on May 05, 1999 at 01:55:58:

in my case i only see rabbits in the morning after sunrise and around 4PM to sunset..feeding times mostly. headshots are a good idea. rabbits can be dumb if you miss a head shot its clean,and a rabbit will look up stetch its body and stay very still. if it runs its only 20ft or so. if a body shot is needed do it just behind the frunt shoulder. that should kill it within 10secs or so
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Re: Hunting story

Msg. 109100  Posted by Adam on May 05, 1999 at 01:59:29:

In Reply to: Hunting story posted by JB on May 05, 1999 at 01:10:36:

do you live in AZ? if you do where? I live in PV
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Re: Hunting stories... Ground Squirrels

Msg. 109099  Posted by Conrad (SJ CA) on May 05, 1999 at 01:57:58:

In Reply to: Hunting stories... posted by Adam on May 04, 1999 at 03:19:51:

While waiting for a friend to go shooting with
me I noticed GS. in my neighbor's yard 15 yards
away. He had given me permission to shoot them.
I went to the fence took a shot with my Kodiak .25
cal, from 10 yards away and hit it with a low pop.
5 minutes later I hit another from about 15 yards.
I missed a third. Then I went to investigate and
found that one did not make it to it's hole. I hit
in on the shoulder and the pellet went all the way
through diagonally and exited out the lower side.

My friend showed up and we went to a cow pasture
that I had permission to shoot in. We had to drive
by this field that is over run with GS. It must
have 1 every 100 square feet and they allow us to
get within 10 yards. I cant shoot in that field as
it is inside the city limits.

We walked up a dirt road and slipped through a
gate and started hunting. We walked through an
old orchard hearing the high pitched warning
cries of the GS. I took a shot at one. A hit, the
squirrel jumped up a foot into the air and then
flopped arround for 15 seconds. I recocked,
fumbled for a pellet as I watched the GS run into
it's hole. 10 minutes later there was another
sitting up looking at me. I fired, hit it in the
neck and dropped it. The pellet went in one side
and out the other. Then I walked across the base
of a slope, taking long shots at a couple of GS
and missing.

I figured that I might be able to get closer if I
approached from an unexpected angle. I climbed up
the left side of the slope out of sight. Then I
worked across the top of the slope firing down at
them and got a lot closer. I got two more.

When I got to the other side of the field I walked
30 yards down the slope and started walking back
across the slope. This worked pretty well. I
peeked over a slight rise. There was one, 20 yards
away. He ran, but down the slope towards his hole
and stopped 20 yards away. I nailed him, he
flopped around for a bit. I reloaded and fired
again through the grass and missed. He slipped
into his hole and disappeared. I got another the
same way.

Then I waited for my friend and we walked down the
slope firing a couple more times at GS at long
range. I think that we missed.

It was time to go home. On the way out I hit a
pigeon from 50 yards. It broke the wing and went
into the side. While I reloaded and positioned my
self for another shot, my friend tried to finish
it of with a couple of shots. The bird kept on
moving. Finally I took another shot at it. I hit
it and finished it off.

My friend had a bad day and only got a couple. He
went home, resited is gun and found that it was
shooting 3 inchs to the left. Quite a let down for
a famouse GS hunter.

Soon after this, I lost permission to shoot in
this 18 acre field of ground squirrel pasture. I
have been going through withdrawal ever since
then.


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Re: Rabbit Hunting Tips

Msg. 109098  Posted by Adam on May 05, 1999 at 01:55:58:

In Reply to: Rabbit Hunting Tips posted by Leighton Hood From New Zealand on May 05, 1999 at 01:46:44:

I have killed many rabbits over time. And the main points are;

-head shots only!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
-a powerful rifle
-large pellets (.22's are perfect)

this will help you kill many rabbits humanely, even though there is a lot of blood from a head shot.

any questions email me, or post it. Good luck

-Adam
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Rabbit Hunting Tips

Msg. 109097  Posted by Leighton Hood From New Zealand on May 05, 1999 at 01:46:44:

Any tips from a senior or experienced rabbit or magpie hunter would be greatly appreciated, as I am just learning that it is much harder than using .22's !!!!!!!!
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Re: The Great Kodiak/Patriot Mount Debate Ended...sort of.

Msg. 109096  Posted by Rick Johnson on May 05, 1999 at 01:23:21:

In Reply to: Re: The Great Kodiak/Patriot Mount Debate Ended...sort of. posted by RBest on May 04, 1999 at 21:09:34:

That one was used too. But the other was made more exciting when Grandpa had to catch his bridgework about when he got to 'ravel'.

Call me at the office tomorrow, Russ.

Thanks!

Rick


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Re: Difference tween a TX and PE

Msg. 109095  Posted by Jon B. on May 05, 1999 at 01:20:40:

In Reply to: Difference tween a TX and PE posted by JMartin on May 04, 1999 at 21:53:11:

I have a TX HC in .177 and a PE in.22. The PE is easier to load as it is a break barrel. The TX is more accurate, IMHO. PE seems slightly heavier. Most of the noise with either one is the internal mechanical noise of the spring, but the loudest sound is the sound of the pellet hitting it's mark.
Jon B.

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Re: Done by experience to usages Benjamin Sheridan

Msg. 109094  Posted by Stocky on May 05, 1999 at 01:20:10:

In Reply to: Done by experience to usages Benjamin Sheridan posted by Liwens on April 28, 1999 at 10:20:35:

Valeria,
Svieks!
Stocky
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Re: Are you really supposed to turn that mounting plate upside down?

Msg. 109093  Posted by Rick Johnson on May 05, 1999 at 01:19:21:

In Reply to: Are you really supposed to turn that mounting plate upside down? posted by Brian on May 04, 1999 at 22:03:59:

Brian, don't do the plate flop just yet. You need to check to see which side is already in the dovetail. The way to tell is that if the "German side" is down, the plate fits flush against the side of the base. If the "British end" is down, the larger German groove does not allow the plate to be flush. Besides, that stop stud should work fine in that gun.

Rick

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Hunting story

Msg. 109092  Posted by JB on May 05, 1999 at 01:10:36:

Tonight while I was eating dinner my eldest daughter exclaimed that there was a rat outside the sliding glass door of our Arizona room. I went to the window to investigate and saw a large rodent (about the size of a pet rat) out near one of my aloe vera plants. I don't know what they are called, but figured it got a little to close to home. My wife and I breed parrots, and we want no disease carring vermin near our animals. I decided that tonight would be his last.

I went and got my RWS48 with my 6x18 Simmons scope, went out my bedroom slider, and waited for his return. I knew where he would return (about 12 yards away) and got into a good sitting position. It was getting dark and I had the outside light on. From my angle I saw a reflection of movement in the patio window. He was coming out with his nose twitching away. I raised my rifle, thumb ready at the safety. Finally his head appeared between to large rocks, my safety snicked off, but he ducked quickly back in. Had he seen me? I didn't know how smart they are. No, he came out again. He moved very quickly, and was not far from the rocks. He dove in and out, not wanting to stand still. Since I only take head shots (It's the only sporting way, isn't it?), I had to wait. Then he stuck his head halfway out from a rock, and looked right at me. I had to react, I released my breath slowly, and took up the first stage of the trigger. The second stage broke clean. I wonder if he saw my 10.6 grain Beeman Kodiak Match coming. The pellet struck him right above the the right eye. The shock of impact hurled him a couple of inches up in the air, and he landed on his back. Tango Uniform (tits up)!

I hope you enjoyed my story, I don't get to hunt much, and was pretty proud of my kill.
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Re: Did someone want this Hakko site???

Msg. 109091  Posted by Doug Law on May 05, 1999 at 01:06:21:

In Reply to: Did someone want this Hakko site??? posted by Stocky on May 04, 1999 at 18:44:09:

I need some vertically adjustable scope mounts for my 1970 Wh-55 MM which has severe barrel droop. Anyone that is familliar with the Hakko adjustable mounts please drop me a note. I need something with lots of vertical adjustment and the scope grooves on the WH is 13mm wide. Any suggestions on adjustable mounts that will fit and let me use a scope.??? Please help!

Doug Law
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Too noisy too.

Msg. 109090  Posted by E Fudd on May 05, 1999 at 00:53:51:

In Reply to: Re: Hunting rifles posted by ToddN on May 04, 1999 at 20:42:11:

I probably hunt with airguns more than firearms, especially now when most seasons are closed, but mainly I was just pointing out that when airguns become comparable to firearms in terms of power they lose most of their utility. While I intend on purchasing a Career this year, I could get a thoroughly modified 10/22 with a scope for less than an unscoped Career without charging equipment, and they both would fill the same niche.
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Re: Difference tween a TX and PE

Msg. 109089  Posted by TER on May 05, 1999 at 00:44:16:

In Reply to: Difference tween a TX and PE posted by JMartin on May 04, 1999 at 21:53:11:


My PE.22 cal. averages 820fps with 14.3gr Crosmans, 21+ fpe.
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Re: Difference tween a TX and PE

Msg. 109088  Posted by Doug Law on May 05, 1999 at 00:41:16:

In Reply to: Difference tween a TX and PE posted by JMartin on May 04, 1999 at 21:53:11:

Sir-What part of Nevada do you live in? I live in northern nevada, Winnemucca, east of Reno , have a Daystate I shot in one FT match in Spokane and loved it. Also enjoy shooting 10 meter pistol with az Skanaker. Let me know if you find any organized matches in your area.

Doug Law

aka Nevada Air gun Addict
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Re: While we're talking about the 2289...���

Msg. 109087  Posted by RBest on May 05, 1999 at 00:34:43:

In Reply to: Re: While we're talking about the 2289... posted by Benoit Landry on May 04, 1999 at 20:42:14:

Benoit�: co2 has a higher density. Regards,�uss
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Re: " A " Team attendance will attend DIFTA Match this weekend + Career 707 Free Floated Wins DCFS Offhand Field Target match

Msg. 109086  Posted by A-TEAM-RAY on May 05, 1999 at 00:22:59:

In Reply to: Re: " A " Team attendance will attend DIFTA Match this weekend + Career 707 Free Floated Wins DCFS Offhand Field Target match posted by Bill B. on May 04, 1999 at 18:44:11:

It took too long to get that rig to perfection to let it go anytime soon. One year to get all the bugs worked out. Sorry Bill .................. It's a keeper for now.

Ray from ~ The "A" Team
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Re: Great Saturday Practice with the A-Team

Msg. 109085  Posted by A-TEAM-RAY on May 05, 1999 at 00:17:18:

In Reply to: Great Saturday Practice with the A-Team posted by Luis Leon on May 04, 1999 at 20:49:44:

Lois you mentioned that you thought the 18 power was a lot on the TX200. What you may not have realized was the Career Carbine had a fixed 36 power scope on it. You were really doing well with the Offhand Timed Speed Drills. Hopefully you will remember the practice when it comes time to take your regular off hand shots. That practice is designed to teach you to get on target and get the shot off before you become shakey. As I recall your 6 targets with 7 shots in 20 seconds was your best time and a pretty good one at that. Target re-accuisition with a 36 power scope is tuff but its what I shoot all the time. If you were shooting the same rig with a 18 power scope your times would have been better because you would have found the targets quicker. Some people may think this is rediculous practice but it has helped us to get on target fast and get that shot off. It's also a lot of fun!!! We usually do this to loosen up before settling down to more accurate shooting. Lois I don't know about the wieght of the HW77 it may be just as heavy and if I remember correctly from a comparrison article in US Airgun it was 2 ounces heavier. Some one please correct me on this. I'm sure you will like your new toy when you get it. You may have noticed I'm divorced so no problems with new toys. Where are all the Field Target Babes? BTW Lois, are you going to DIFTA this Saturday?

Ray from ~ The "A" Team
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Tom: what rings are going out the door with these?

Msg. 109084  Posted by RBest on May 04, 1999 at 23:59:08:

In Reply to: Re: TX and 6-18 x 50 Bushnell-- a new design? posted by Tom Holst on May 04, 1999 at 23:53:57:

Try and sell one to DH so I can get all the 'dirt' on em. He's the head of my Southern Testing Facility, you know. ( heh heh) Russ
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Re: Great Saturday Practice with the A-Team

Msg. 109083  Posted by DonC on May 04, 1999 at 23:56:31:

In Reply to: Re: Great Saturday Practice with the A-Team posted by LOU V.K. on May 04, 1999 at 22:53:21:

Yea Lou, They might have thought twice. Except they get to see our woodworking stuff and make requests. Never the less we got good wives.
Don
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Re: TX and 6-18 x 50 Bushnell-- a new design?

Msg. 109082  Posted by Tom Holst on May 04, 1999 at 23:53:57:

In Reply to: Re: TX and 6-18 x 50 Bushnell-- a new design? posted by LOU V.K. on May 04, 1999 at 22:48:37:

The new Bushnell Banner has a 6x18x50 model. They seem to hold up well on air guns and are a bright clear scope for a good price. They are a rather large scope! I carry them if you are interested in one.
Tom Holst
tholst@null.null
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C40 vs. Gamo R-77 Combat

Msg. 109081  Posted by Ross on May 04, 1999 at 23:49:06:

I currently have a Gamo R-77 Combat w/ 4" barrel. I am considering the Crosman nickel C40. Can someone compare the quality of the two? Both are 8 shot CO2 pistols with approx. 430 fps. The C40 is approx. 50% more. Is it worth it?
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Lou, Thanks for the help (nt)

Msg. 109080  Posted by Mike Adams on May 04, 1999 at 23:47:16:

In Reply to: Re: Simmons Deerfield Scopes - Are they O.K. for airguns? posted by LOU V.K. on May 04, 1999 at 12:45:07:


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Re: SHOOTING IN THE CITY?/ LAWS / WHAT GUN IS BEST FOR ME?

Msg. 109079  Posted by RBest on May 04, 1999 at 23:46:39:

In Reply to: Re: SHOOTING IN THE CITY?/ LAWS / WHAT GUN IS BEST FOR ME? posted by Jerry Rhodes on May 04, 1999 at 12:17:26:

Hmm: a good lawyer could get you off a co2 gun charge, if he comes up with a definition of 'air'( the breathable mix). heh heh RB
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Re: Difference tween a TX and PE. I goofed

Msg. 109078  Posted by RBest on May 04, 1999 at 23:41:53:

In Reply to: Re: Difference tween a TX and PE. I goofed posted by JMartin on May 04, 1999 at 22:57:04:

JM: yes, .22 is available. All models of the TX previous to the mark 5 were not moderated. The New mark 5's are, as Jerry noted.
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.22 MK5 at the bottom of JM's web pg states he had a few coming in (nt)

Msg. 109077  Posted by Johnny on May 04, 1999 at 23:40:56:

In Reply to: Re: Difference tween a TX and PE. I goofed posted by JMartin on May 04, 1999 at 22:57:04:


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Re: please help me on this....?????

Msg. 109076  Posted by RBest on May 04, 1999 at 23:38:57:

In Reply to: please help me on this....????? posted by chris bradford on May 04, 1999 at 23:11:59:

Do you mean the Biathalon Trainer with the grey plastic skeleton stock? Marksman sells the sights separately if you need them. Russ
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Re: How dangerous can this be

Msg. 109075  Posted by Raul on May 04, 1999 at 23:38:20:

In Reply to: Re: How dangerous can this be posted by Alan on May 04, 1999 at 07:14:50:

Thanks Alan.
Sorry about the double post
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Re: Leupold sidewheel 50X and the Nightforce Fixed 36 AGAIN

Msg. 109074  Posted by DonC on May 04, 1999 at 23:38:09:

In Reply to: Re: Leupold sidewheel 50X and the Nightforce Fixed 36 AGAIN posted by Dick Thomas-Premier Reticles on May 04, 1999 at 22:23:07:

Thans for the reply Dick. No matter what, the sidewheel is definitely the BEST field target scope on the market. I'm know if you get your hands on the scope in question you'll know what is going on. It's difficult to evaluate from conversation or text. I hope you sell a bunch of them cause they are worth it.
Don
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Re: Stutzen

Msg. 109073  Posted by RBest on May 04, 1999 at 23:37:04:

In Reply to: Stutzen posted by chasm on May 04, 1999 at 23:19:16:

Chasm: the tap loader is less powerful than the rotary breech model. RB
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Re: How dangerous can this be

Msg. 109072  Posted by Raul on May 04, 1999 at 23:36:13:

In Reply to: Re: How dangerous can this be posted by Alan on May 04, 1999 at 07:14:50:



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Re: How dangerous can (using dry ice in place of a powerlet to charge a CO2 pistol) be ?

Msg. 109071  Posted by Raul on May 04, 1999 at 23:35:44:

In Reply to: Re: How dangerous can (using dry ice in place of a powerlet to charge a CO2 pistol) be ? posted by John Piper on May 04, 1999 at 10:54:41:

Thanks John

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Re: Stutzen

Msg. 109070  Posted by RBest on May 04, 1999 at 23:35:32:

In Reply to: Re: Stutzen posted by chasm on May 04, 1999 at 23:26:05:

Chasm: do you have the Tap loader version or the rotary breech? The tap loader has a hole in the top of the breech and the rotary breech has a silver block that rotates from left to right (after loading). If you start having accuracy problems, check the front most stock screws. That beautiful LONG stock vibrates along with the barrel. Regards, Russ
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Re: Co2 capsule's universal for all Co2 guns?

Msg. 109069  Posted by Jeff on May 04, 1999 at 23:29:00:

In Reply to: Re: Co2 capsule's universal for all Co2 guns? posted by Ron B on May 04, 1999 at 23:17:02:

OK, the 225 takes 12 gram cartridges. So I shouldn't have any problem finding these.
Thanks
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Re: Stutzen

Msg. 109068  Posted by chasm on May 04, 1999 at 23:26:05:

In Reply to: Stutzen posted by chasm on May 04, 1999 at 23:19:16:

If there is a slicker loading system out there I don't know what it is.

chasm

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Stutzen

Msg. 109067  Posted by chasm on May 04, 1999 at 23:19:16:

Bought a used BSA Stutzen at LR on saturday. Already had a Ruger International Carbine in .308 cal. which this air rifle reminds me of. Has any one had any experience with this rifle?

chasm
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Re: Co2 capsule's universal for all Co2 guns?

Msg. 109066  Posted by Ron B on May 04, 1999 at 23:17:02:

In Reply to: Co2 capsule's universal for all Co2 guns? posted by Jeff on May 04, 1999 at 23:10:45:

Jeff,

I don't know what the 225 takes but there are two size 'airgun' cartridges, 12 and 8 gram. The 12 is common, and used on most modern guns. It is 3 1/4 inch long. The 8 gream is visibly shorter and can be found where 'soda dispencers' are sold.

HTH,
Ron
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please help me on this....?????

Msg. 109065  Posted by chris bradford on May 04, 1999 at 23:11:59:

i need help on this, i cant find the info that i need.i have a marksman single shot air rifle it is a peepsight model and i have unwittingly lost the rear peepsight piece and would like to order a new one, could you help me out here....????
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Co2 capsule's universal for all Co2 guns?

Msg. 109064  Posted by Jeff on May 04, 1999 at 23:10:45:

I'm buying a RWS C-225, can any standard CO2 like the ones from Crosman be used with this gun? They don't need a special one do they?
May sound like a stupid question but I just want to make sure before I buy.
Thanks
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Re: I'm back (sort of)

Msg. 109063  Posted by WJS/wi/usa on May 04, 1999 at 23:06:56:

In Reply to: Re: I'm back (sort of) posted by DonC on May 04, 1999 at 19:48:48:

Well, I bough a Brocock Fox from Mike Reams and also got the Pen Gun thrown in on the deal. I also got a Crossman 600 carbine from him. I bought a couple of bits and pieces from Tim at MAC-1 and he's going to look at my other Cane. I also left the Ball-Flask rifle with Ron Sauls and he's going to restore it for me.

I didn't get a chance to see Alex before I had to leave. I did watch ld buy that Aluminum prototype from Larry Hanush. BTW, Larry told me the Ball-Flask was not from 1780-90 but more likely from around 1830-40.

It was a blast watching that BB Mini-gun rip into those soda cans. They'd take it out every hour and let loose with it.

Wade and Tom Itterly were there with some FT guns and targets and had them setup for people to try out. Gary Barnes and Dennis Quackenbush were at it again with their large bore guns. Gary had another .567(?) monster blasting away and Dennis had a whole rack of cool looking "Leige Lock" (sp?) guns on desplay. Most of them were around .40 cal I think. Some were .375

I sure hope you can make it to one of these next year. You will have a blast! See you in a couple of weeks for your match.

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Re: Difference tween a TX and PE

Msg. 109062  Posted by chasm on May 04, 1999 at 23:02:11:

In Reply to: Re: Difference tween a TX and PE posted by chasm on May 04, 1999 at 22:26:38:

FYI my PE is good for about 800 fps and 21 fps on FTS.

chasm,

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Response

Msg. 109061  Posted by LOU V.K. on May 04, 1999 at 22:57:59:

In Reply to: Never completed or past a college level English course ... posted by vZc on May 04, 1999 at 19:50:40:


If you quit trying to cram all of your message into the subject line space,and,put it into the message area,you will have room to use all of the words that are going through your head,and,won't need to pick out a few,and drop them.
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Re: Difference tween a TX and PE. I goofed

Msg. 109060  Posted by JMartin on May 04, 1999 at 22:57:04:

In Reply to: Re: Difference tween a TX and PE. I goofed posted by RBest on May 04, 1999 at 22:17:13:

What a great new sport I've found along with knowledgable people! Thanks a lot for the info. After reading both jim and paul's pages, I know they're busy guys and I didn't want to bug them. One more question...please..HA. Does the TX come in .22? Thanks again!!!
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Re: Hunting stories...

Msg. 109059  Posted by John F. on May 04, 1999 at 22:56:46:

In Reply to: Hunting stories... posted by Adam on May 04, 1999 at 03:19:51:

Speaking of hunting rats reminds me of this story my grandfather once told me. I asked him if he had ever found anything of value; he related he had been hunting rats in an abandoned South Mississippi plantation (c. 1917) with a sawed-off .22 rifle, and went into the old smokehouse. There was wooden chest in one corner, and he lifted the lid, hoping there would be rats inside. No rats, just old clothes. In moving the clothes aside, he saw a nice walnut case. Opened the case and... it was a cased Colt 1860 Army .44 percussion revolver, complete with loading tools and a conversion cylinder to take early centerfire cartridges!! It was in excellent shape, too...
I asked him what he did with it... he shot up all the ammo that was with it and traded it for a bicycle... RATS!!! :-( John F.


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I agree with Jerry

Msg. 109058  Posted by Jim P on May 04, 1999 at 22:54:40:

In Reply to: Re: I did - still don't think I should be the one to pay for shipping --- posted by Jerry Rhodes on May 04, 1999 at 08:58:36:

I used to worry about my expensive air rifles breaking.

It is really less stressfull to shoot my air rifles now. Because they either have JM kits in them and I know how to fix them. Or if not - no worries - because when they break, that is the excuse that I need to take it apart and put one in.

Jim P.
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Re: Great Saturday Practice with the A-Team

Msg. 109057  Posted by LOU V.K. on May 04, 1999 at 22:53:21:

In Reply to: Re: Great Saturday Practice with the A-Team posted by DonC on May 04, 1999 at 21:33:14:


If Barb and Karen knew prior to saying yes,how much you and I spend on our hobbies,and how much dust we make,would their research have told them to say NO?
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Re: Hunting stories...

Msg. 109056  Posted by John F. on May 04, 1999 at 22:51:17:

In Reply to: Hunting stories... posted by Adam on May 04, 1999 at 03:19:51:

Had a very similar experience. Saw a cottontail rabbit feeding late in the day while deer hunting.
Had a cast bullet load (7x57mm, 145 gr. at 1800 fps chrono'ed) that shot GREAT, 1/2" at 50 yards consistently. Changed my zero the required # clicks for the cast bullet load and aimed for a head shot but it was a wierd angle and awkward position out of the tree stand. Fired, and he flipped over without so much as a twitch... stone dead. When I got there, not a mark on him anywhere!! (Head shots with this load tended to explode the head, I wasn't going to miss seeing it!!) Don't have a clue what killed him. Don't recall any blood in chest cavity though. A mystery man wasn't meant to understand?? :-) John F.


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Re: TX and 6-18 x 50 Bushnell-- a new design?

Msg. 109055  Posted by LOU V.K. on May 04, 1999 at 22:48:37:

In Reply to: TX and 6-18 x 50 Bushnell-- What rings? posted by Chip Gibbs on May 04, 1999 at 21:12:57:


Has Bushnell come out with something new? All of the 6-18 bushnell scopes that I own have 40 MM objective lenses. Is he taking his measurement from the o.d. of the objective lens housing?
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Re: Webley Vulcan

Msg. 109054  Posted by Bill on May 04, 1999 at 22:41:23:

In Reply to: Webley Vulcan posted by Bill on May 04, 1999 at 22:22:30:

Thanks MikeD and RBest. I will try your suggestions.
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Re: Webley Vulcan

Msg. 109053  Posted by MikeD on May 04, 1999 at 22:33:33:

In Reply to: Webley Vulcan posted by Bill on May 04, 1999 at 22:22:30:

I think you are quite right. I used to have a Beeman C1, which is basically a Vulcan under the skin. The long tapered breech chamfer on these guns is very different from the short, sharp-angled one typically seen on German airguns. It is very tolerant of a lot of different pellets, but it does take a larger skirt diameter to avoid falling far down the barrel.

I always had good luck with RWS pellets, whose skirts run on the large side, in the C1. See if the Superdome is not a better fit than the Premier in your Vulcan.

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Re: Difference tween a TX and PE

Msg. 109052  Posted by Jerry Rhodes on May 04, 1999 at 22:30:09:

In Reply to: Re: Difference tween a TX and PE posted by JMartin on May 04, 1999 at 22:12:27:

J,

Any rifle that Paul sells you is going to be worth every penny you pay.

My PE is quieter than my RWS 48 .22 shooting at the same speed, 800 ft/sec. I am sure that the muzzle report is less and from the shooter's end the mechanical noise is less. I have a Kodiak .25 that sounds like somebody taking the dents out of metal trash cans when it shoots.

The riccochets from the .22 are much louder and of longer duration than from the .177's shooting at 900+ (R9). Be sure you shoot at YOUR house and not a neighbor's. No matter how careful you are you WILL have one get away. Better to punch a hole in your own house than somebody else's.

Jerry

BTW The Mk5 TX200 is very quiet.
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Re: Webley Vulcan

Msg. 109051  Posted by RBest on May 04, 1999 at 22:27:06:

In Reply to: Webley Vulcan posted by Bill on May 04, 1999 at 22:22:30:

Bill: Beeman Silver Bears have a wider skirt and fit my C-1 perfectly( Vulcan with a different stock). Also try out Beeman Bear Cubs. The diameter is .188 and should seat firmly. Regards, Russ
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Re: Counting clicks on a TX 200

Msg. 109050  Posted by Bill S. on May 04, 1999 at 22:26:59:

In Reply to: Re: Counting clicks on a TX 200 posted by Jay on May 04, 1999 at 00:41:04:

After tracing the angle on a piece of paper, it looks like around 120 degrees. Must be a MK 2.
tks, Bill

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Re: Difference tween a TX and PE

Msg. 109049  Posted by chasm on May 04, 1999 at 22:26:38:

In Reply to: Difference tween a TX and PE posted by JMartin on May 04, 1999 at 21:53:11:

J,

I own a PE in .22 cal. with a walnut stock. It is the highest quality rifle I own. I also have a Crow which is also high qual but IMHO not quite up to the PE. I was at Little Rock where Paul had a very nice TX 200 Mk 5 in walnut for about $600. I very nearly bought that rifle. I may still if it is still avail. Instead at LR I bought a used HW-77 with scope for $280 and couldn't rationalize two under lever air rifles to myself at the time. However I'm pretty good at rationalization so don't take anything I say too seriously. There was also a pristine Mk III with a huge Tasco scope for sale for $400 + $200 for the scope that I considered, but Paul kindly explained the differences between the various models so I didn't. You cannot go wrong with either, IMHO.

chasm

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Re: Leupold sidewheel 50X and the Nightforce Fixed 36 AGAIN

Msg. 109048  Posted by Dick Thomas-Premier Reticles on May 04, 1999 at 22:23:07:

In Reply to: Leupold sidewheel 50X and the Nightforce Fixed 36 AGAIN posted by DonC on May 04, 1999 at 21:29:40:

Don...sorry I didn't answer your post from yesterday. I only log on once a day after working hours in the evening.

Since you rephrased the question I cannot give you an answer. You are right a 50X should make the print "look" bigger when comparing it to a 36
X.

It is impossible to determine what is happening without having both scope to check the magnification of each scope.

One factor that determines acutal power of a scope is where the eyepiece is focused. When set at zero diopters the power is determinined. If it is set in toward the minus direction the power will be increased up to 10%.

What this means is the older you are the more toward zero diopters you will focus your eyepiece. This gives the younger shooter who would be focused around -1 diopters a slight advantage in power when shooting with the same optics.

Dick

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Webley Vulcan

Msg. 109047  Posted by Bill on May 04, 1999 at 22:22:30:

I have a Webley Vulcan in .177 caliber that I purchased in the early 1980s from Beeman. I have fired thousands of pellets and it is a favorite gun to shoot. Since reading this Forum I have learned that the pellet will have higher velocity if seated flush with the breech. I would like to squeeze a few more feet per second out of this gun, but here is the problem. Crossman Premiers fall about 1/8 inch into the barrel before they stop. I have heard that some brands of pellets are slightly larger in diameter than others. My thought is that my Webley might shoot better if I could find and use one of the larger pellets. Does anyone on this forum have suggestions on which pellets are larger or other remedies for this problem? Thanks. Bill

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Re: Beeman R1 Muzzle Brake. Venom too!

Msg. 109046  Posted by RBest on May 04, 1999 at 22:21:26:

In Reply to: Re: Beeman R1 Muzzle Brake posted by Brian on May 04, 1999 at 22:06:10:

Mac-1 sells Venom brakes, last time I checked( some time ago):>) Russ
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Re: Are you really supposed to turn that mounting plate upside down?

Msg. 109045  Posted by RBest on May 04, 1999 at 22:19:35:

In Reply to: Are you really supposed to turn that mounting plate upside down? posted by Brian on May 04, 1999 at 22:03:59:

Brian: many mounting plates or "claws" are made differently for better grip. It's something I always look at when buying rings/mounts. Not all mounts have this feature, but many DO. Regards, Russ
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Re: Difference tween a TX and PE. I goofed

Msg. 109044  Posted by RBest on May 04, 1999 at 22:17:13:

In Reply to: Re: Difference tween a TX and PE posted by Jerry Rhodes on May 04, 1999 at 22:11:33:

oops! Sorry about that. The Mk5 is moderated, as Jerry says. The PE puts out 21/22 ft/lbs in .22 caliber. The TX puts out 17 ft/lbs in .177. Regards, Russ
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Re: Who`s got Golden Tollers web address (nt)

Msg. 109043  Posted by Dick M. on May 04, 1999 at 22:13:49:

In Reply to: Who`s got Golden Tollers web address (nt) posted by James Teeter on May 04, 1999 at 22:08:32:

check the airgun letter page and click on airgun resources
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Right here at the Airgun resources box on the main page. NT

Msg. 109042  Posted by RBest on May 04, 1999 at 22:13:48:

In Reply to: Who`s got Golden Tollers web address (nt) posted by James Teeter on May 04, 1999 at 22:08:32:

nt
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More about the 631

Msg. 109041  Posted by RBest on May 04, 1999 at 22:12:29:

In Reply to: Weekend Flea Market � Any deals out there? posted by Dave Franey on May 03, 1999 at 11:26:23:

Dave: the Slavia might have been a good deal. They ARE light cockers, and .22's are hard to find. Good shooters too. Got one myself that I've tuned to the max, and I just finished tuning another for a friend ( both .177's). A gentle, quiet, accurate airgun with an adjustable trigger. ( look at it as a Czech R-7):>) Russ
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Re: Difference tween a TX and PE

Msg. 109040  Posted by JMartin on May 04, 1999 at 22:12:27:

In Reply to: Re: Difference tween a TX and PE posted by RBest on May 04, 1999 at 22:03:04:

As I'm a newbie to airguns (had a gamo about 20 years ago), is the noise difference discernable to the average ear of the neighbors on the PE? If so, I think I'd like that more. It's hard to find Ft/lb info on these too..anybody have 177 and 22 #'s out there?? Thanks mucho!
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Re: Difference tween a TX and PE

Msg. 109039  Posted by Jerry Rhodes on May 04, 1999 at 22:11:33:

In Reply to: Re: Difference tween a TX and PE posted by RBest on May 04, 1999 at 22:03:04:

Russ,

My Mk5 TX seems to be ALL moderator. Of course my Mk 2 has the nice looking iron lump on the end for the lever latch. No moderator.

Jerry
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Who`s got Golden Tollers web address (nt)

Msg. 109038  Posted by James Teeter on May 04, 1999 at 22:08:32:

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Thanks Russ nt

Msg. 109037  Posted by Tyler Hathaway on May 04, 1999 at 22:07:24:

In Reply to: Re: Any good R9 deals? posted by RBest on May 04, 1999 at 21:57:47:


nt
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Re: Beeman R1 Muzzle Brake

Msg. 109035  Posted by Brian on May 04, 1999 at 22:06:10:

In Reply to: Re: Beeman R1 Muzzle Brake posted by Mark Lemm on May 04, 1999 at 21:52:35:

There are many alternatives. Vortek makes a few, for example. Try contacting Straight Shooters at www.straightshooters.com

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Are you really supposed to turn that mounting plate upside down?

Msg. 109034  Posted by Brian on May 04, 1999 at 22:03:59:

In Reply to: Re: The Great Kodiak/Patriot Mount Debate Ended...sort of. posted by RBest on May 04, 1999 at 21:09:34:

That's the second time I've read this same suggestion, so I'm starting to suspect it may be a good one! I have the 5040 on an RX-1; I might just switch it like you say. But what about the Dampa mount?�should one reverse the plate on it as well?
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Re: Difference tween a TX and PE

Msg. 109033  Posted by RBest on May 04, 1999 at 22:03:04:

In Reply to: Difference tween a TX and PE posted by JMartin on May 04, 1999 at 21:53:11:

Only the PE has a moderator. The TX has a muzzle brake. The TX is a bit more accurate and is an underlever. The PE is a break barrel and better for hunting IMHO. I have both and love them both for what they are. Great, high quality springers! The PE will likely have to be special ordered, as no one is stocking them ( unless there's one on a shelf somewhere). It would be best to address these questions to Paul or Jim, for the most up-to- date answers. Russ
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Re: Any good R9 deals?

Msg. 109032  Posted by RBest on May 04, 1999 at 21:57:47:

In Reply to: Any good R9 deals? posted by Tyler Hathaway on May 04, 1999 at 21:51:08:

Try Jim Maccari or Paul Watts. Maccari HAD some for $235, but may be out. Paul sells TUNED ones for $300 ! Best Deal as far as I'm concerned. RB
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Good report; Thanks....nt

Msg. 109031  Posted by Ron B on May 04, 1999 at 21:55:14:

In Reply to: Re: How save are the PCP air cylinders of a Career 707, Theoben Super 7, Styer LG1p, etc. posted by pilkguns on May 04, 1999 at 21:33:55:


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Difference tween a TX and PE

Msg. 109030  Posted by JMartin on May 04, 1999 at 21:53:11:

Thought I wanted a PCP until I came upon Jim Macs page and Paul Watts'. Now I'm going with 1 of these 2. Do both have a built in moderator and is it effective. I'll use as a pigeon buster and plinker and maybe FT if Nevada ever gets a league going. Which do you think is the better gun? Does the PE come in walnut. Reason I'm asking is Paul mentioned selling his TX after he got the PE. Let me know as I'd like to order tomorrow. Thanks.
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Re: Beeman R1 Muzzle Brake

Msg. 109029  Posted by Mark Lemm on May 04, 1999 at 21:52:35:

In Reply to: Beeman R1 Muzzle Brake posted by av on May 04, 1999 at 21:02:48:

Contact Jim Macarri and see if one of his Acurra brakes will work.

-Mark
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Any good R9 deals?

Msg. 109028  Posted by Tyler Hathaway on May 04, 1999 at 21:51:08:

Does anyone know where the cheapest R9 is being sold ? thank you for taking the time in reading this messqage and i hope you reply
-Tyler hathaway
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Re: Career 707

Msg. 109027  Posted by burbago on May 04, 1999 at 21:49:57:

In Reply to: Re: Career 707 posted by jim morrow on May 03, 1999 at 21:53:57:

Just a tip......
If you are shooting a Career with a threaded tip, and are not using a moderator, you will have better accuracy with the thread protector removed.
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Re: bsa super 10 for FT

Msg. 109026  Posted by RBest on May 04, 1999 at 21:34:12:

In Reply to: bsa super 10 posted by Tim Baker on May 04, 1999 at 05:47:37:

Tim: the 22 cal is too potent . Most FT competitions don't allow over 20 ft/lbs from the competing guns. The .177 using CP 7.9's may come in under the limit at around 19 ft/lbs. The accuracy is sure there! Russ

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Yes, but...

Msg. 109025  Posted by David M on May 04, 1999 at 21:34:08:

In Reply to: Re: Yes, but... posted by LOU V.K. on May 04, 1999 at 15:24:34:

Maybe I had the misfortune of getting a bad scope because the poor range finding I described was done while the Mag 44 was cranked up to full 20X magnification. However, the 6-18X Simmons Pro-Air also had the same problem at full magnification. I know that I shouldn't expect great range finding on the 6-18, but shouldn't the 6.5-20 be somewhat better?

Regards,
David
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Re: How save are the PCP air cylinders of a Career 707, Theoben Super 7, Styer LG1p, etc.

Msg. 109024  Posted by pilkguns on May 04, 1999 at 21:33:55:

In Reply to: How save are the PCP air cylinders of a Career 707, Theoben Super 7, Styer LG1p, etc. posted by RuudE on May 04, 1999 at 11:36:01:

I made a survey about this last year at the World Championships. Longterm destructive testing, going from 4500 psi to 0 in a pulsing fashion at over 10,000 res, did not fail, Then pressure was applied and failures were all in the 800- 900 BAR range, 13000 + PSI, and then the tubes split, not exploded, and all manufactures Steyr, FWB, Anschutz etc, had roughly the same story
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Re: Great Saturday Practice with the A-Team

Msg. 109023  Posted by DonC on May 04, 1999 at 21:33:14:

In Reply to: Great Saturday Practice with the A-Team posted by Luis Leon on May 04, 1999 at 20:49:44:

Get the gun first and then get married. You can't go worong on both counts. Just research the wife more than the gun.
Yo,
Don
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Leupold sidewheel 50X and the Nightforce Fixed 36 AGAIN

Msg. 109022  Posted by DonC on May 04, 1999 at 21:29:40:

In an earlier post I asked a question about these scopes and Dick Thomas was kind to respond. Thank You. You did not respond to my 2nd qquestion however. I will restate it-----
I understand your explanation of field of view. I have another question. The paper target we observed thru both the Leupold sidewheel 50X and the Nightforce 36x had words printed on it. I could just barely read the words at 50 yards thru BOTH scopes. They were nearly identical. Wouldn't 50X have made the text I was reading larger? What we and others observed was identical. Confused??? Please respond.
Don
Don't get me wrong, I think the scope is worth the money the way it is. I feel it is better than the Nightforce because it is variable with all the great optics. Definitely the best field target scope ever made.I don't see however that it can truely be a 50X.
I hope my questions don't get ya mad at me. You have been very good to airgunning in the past and I surely don't want to be the guy who ticked ya off. I just have VALID questions.

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Re: TX and 6-18 x 50 Bushnell-- What rings?

Msg. 109021  Posted by RBest on May 04, 1999 at 21:29:40:

In Reply to: TX and 6-18 x 50 Bushnell-- What rings? posted by Chip Gibbs on May 04, 1999 at 21:12:57:

Chip: You will probably have to use a 5mm riser under the rings. I used Beemans 5030H plus 10mm risers from BSquare for my 56mm objective on my TX. Regards, Russ
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Re: BENJAMIN 22-HOW ACCURATE?

Msg. 109020  Posted by RBest on May 04, 1999 at 21:24:10:

In Reply to: Re: BENJAMIN 22-HOW ACCURATE? posted by Jim Hudson on May 04, 1999 at 21:03:26:

Generally, american pumpers are decent, but not at the same level that imported guns are at. The SS offers superior accuracy in this comparison. Also, Benjamin triggers are a beast! My Sheridan is better, but still nothing to brag about. If you get either pumper, have Tim doe the trigger work! Regards, Russ
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Re: Is this typical British quality?

Msg. 109019  Posted by Jerry R. on May 04, 1999 at 21:20:28:

In Reply to: Is this typical British quality? posted by Paul on May 01, 1999 at 21:23:36:

The latch up is a poor design. Both rear screws on the side of the barrel assembly and the screw in the rear of the frame came loose after a hundred rounds. Just tightening the screws resulted in latch up problems. Seems the relationship between the rear barrel assembly and rear frame is critical. After experimenting a little I got the alignment correct. At which point I took the screws out one at a time and put lock tight on the threads. Have not had a problem since. I enjoy my BSA 240 as much as my P1 now for off hand shooting.

jdr
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Re: BENJAMIN 22-HOW ACCURATE?

Msg. 109018  Posted by Joel on May 04, 1999 at 21:19:59:

In Reply to: Re: BENJAMIN 22-HOW ACCURATE? posted by Jim Hudson on May 04, 1999 at 21:03:26:

Probably the biggest negative is that there is no really good way to mount a scope..The factory "Intermount" sucks. You have to glue it on and hope. The other option is to have the dovetails cut into the receiver which really puts it to far back. In both cases the scope is riding the best spot to hold the gun for pumping.
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Re: SILENCER FOR BENJAMIN 22

Msg. 109017  Posted by Rusty on May 04, 1999 at 21:17:59:

In Reply to: Re: SILENCER FOR BENJAMIN 22 posted by Rusty on May 03, 1999 at 23:00:26:

Jim, I have a Benjamin and a Supersport and I would take the Benjamin anyday. It is much easier to shoot and gives you the advertised velocity with the pellets that you would use everyday.
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TX and 6-18 x 50 Bushnell-- What rings?

Msg. 109016  Posted by Chip Gibbs on May 04, 1999 at 21:12:57:

I just got a new Air Arms TX 200 mk5 and a
Bushnell Banner 6-18 X 50mm Scope but, am having
trouble finding a good set of mounts for this
scope.The problem is the objective diameter of the
scope and finding rings high enough to clear the
reciever.
Could someone please recomend a manufacturer,
model number and dealer.
Also, I am curious as to weather or not the
TX can be DE-Cocked ?

Thanks for any help

Chip

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Re: Hunting stories...RATS

Msg. 109015  Posted by Luis Leon on May 04, 1999 at 21:12:35:

In Reply to: Re: Hunting stories...RATS posted by MR Bulk� on May 04, 1999 at 17:48:28:

When I was a misguided youth, my buddies and I would get together at night with our airpistols. A couple of 1377, 1322, a tempest, crosman 357. And go rat hunting in a certain garbage strewn lot with all knew. We called ourselves the "Rat Patrol" after the series in the early 70s'...


Luis
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RWS Superdomes make bigger holes in 12 oz aluminum cans nt.e: Pellets Pointed vs Wadcutter ?

Msg. 109014  Posted by vZc on May 04, 1999 at 21:10:37:

In Reply to: Re: Pellets Pointed vs Wadcutter ? posted by Rich on May 03, 1999 at 07:43:34:

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Re: The Great Kodiak/Patriot Mount Debate Ended...sort of.

Msg. 109013  Posted by RBest on May 04, 1999 at 21:09:34:

In Reply to: The Great Kodiak/Patriot Mount Debate Ended...sort of. posted by Rick Johnson on May 04, 1999 at 21:05:13:

Rick: I thought the saying was " rust, bust or collect dust". :>) Russ
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About 850 psi at 70 degrees F

Msg. 109012  Posted by RBest on May 04, 1999 at 21:06:57:

In Reply to: Powerlet PSI posted by CJ on May 04, 1999 at 20:45:07:

Taken from the chart in Airgun Digest#1. Some other numbers are:
50 degrees-- 650
60 degrees-- 745

80 degrees----960

90 degrees-- just under 1100 psi. Hope this helped. Russ
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The Great Kodiak/Patriot Mount Debate Ended...sort of.

Msg. 109011  Posted by Rick Johnson on May 04, 1999 at 21:05:13:

Way down on the threads is a question as to the correct mount for these guns. I don't mean to rain on your parade, Edith, but the 5040 Beeman mount works just fine when properly installed. And Russ, the only modifications require a punch and a Ford tool (i.e. hammer). Just punch the stop stud up into the base of the mount. I don't recommend taking it out because you may want to install the mount on a reciever that has a stud hole at some other time. Now, take the screws out that hold the plate on the base. Notice that there are different angles on the edges. Oddly enough, that British mount is set up for German dovetails out of the package. But if you reverse the plate, it will be configured for a British or Spanish gun. Wipe the reciever grooves and the mount rails down with degreaser and install the mount! Oh yes. LockTite the *&#!! on those base screws. As my Grandpa used to say, " It'll be garonteed not to slip, drip, rip, ravel or run down yer leg."

Rick
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Re: Leaving an sm1000 cocked? Bad or Really Bad Idea?

Msg. 109010  Posted by Dave D. on May 04, 1999 at 21:03:43:

In Reply to: Leaving an sm1000 cocked? Bad or Really Bad Idea? posted by ertzog on May 03, 1999 at 10:46:59:

I use Crossman Premier Lights in mine--a nice snug fit.
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Re: BENJAMIN 22-HOW ACCURATE?

Msg. 109009  Posted by Jim Hudson on May 04, 1999 at 21:03:26:

In Reply to: Re: SILENCER FOR BENJAMIN 22 posted by Rusty on May 03, 1999 at 23:00:26:

I'm considering a 392 and wondered how accurate
they are at low, med, and high powers. Are there
any negatives about the gun?

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Beeman R1 Muzzle Brake

Msg. 109008  Posted by av on May 04, 1999 at 21:02:48:

I am looking for a Muzzle Brake for my Beeman R1. Can someone please advise what are my options besids going with the obvious choice of one of 2 Beeman breaks.
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'' Are all these scopes (the Simmons 44 MAG, the Tasco at Walmart) Airgun scopes? '' yes. nt.

Msg. 109007  Posted by vZc on May 04, 1999 at 21:02:11:

In Reply to: Re: Tasco 6-24x44 $170 @ Wal-Mart posted by Eric Field on May 03, 1999 at 10:11:10:

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Re: Hunting stories...RATS

Msg. 109006  Posted by Benoit Landry on May 04, 1999 at 21:00:03:

In Reply to: Re: Hunting stories...RATS posted by Alan on May 04, 1999 at 20:41:50:

AAhh..that reminds me of my first hunting expedition. I was with my cousin, and he had just introduced me to pellet guns. He had bought a crosman 357-8 and a gamo G-1200, and we'd decided to take them along for some target shooting in the woods. After some time walking we came across a small shelter for cross-country skiers, and went in. My cousin noticed that a mouse had just gone into a cupboard. we cocked our guns and opened the door...and there they were, about 20 mice all huddled together. We had the same reflex and opened fire furiously into the pile. 22 rounds later, there were 10 bodies lying in there. We examined the cadavers and noticed that 2 mice had been shot in the abdomen just once and had died instantly. Just shows you how tough those rats really are...Of course it wasn't a very smartvery smart thing to do since we didn't have licenses And were on a private property.. but when you're 11, you tend to see thing a bit differently. We went to the same place a few times, but never saw another rodent.

Ben
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'' Why no .20 cal. in this gun?'' .20 caliber is new design wait for migration nt.

Msg. 109005  Posted by vZc on May 04, 1999 at 20:57:47:

In Reply to: RWS Model 54 posted by Stanley on May 03, 1999 at 13:46:48:

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Great Saturday Practice with the A-Team

Msg. 109004  Posted by Luis Leon on May 04, 1999 at 20:49:44:

I got to sit in on a practice session by the A-Team at Hans' house... It was great! Ray let me shoot his TX200, man I felt like a weakling trying to hold that thing steady... I never shot a scope with a higher magnification than 9x, his scope was an 18x, so I was wobbling all over the place... And the very light trigger, I put a few pellets into the grass. Am hoping that my yet-to-arrive hw77 is lighter than the tx200.

The most fun gun I got to shoot was Ray's Career 707 carbine, we did some speed shooting with it. Great gun for action shooting, now I just have to figure out what I like most, being married or getting yet another gun, and all the attendant accessories... It's getting harder and harder to sneak them in.

Also, I got my first opportunity to shoot at, and knock down some field targets. All in all a great time. Great hosts.

Thank you Hans and Ray. And thanks to all on the forum, for fueling my interest in airgunning. And letting me know that I do not suffer the "Afflication" alone.


Luis
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Powerlet PSI

Msg. 109003  Posted by CJ on May 04, 1999 at 20:45:07:

What the PSI on a normal CO2 cartidge at about 70degF.

Signed, 1 tired storm spotter!

P.S
Did ya get blown away PAL

CJ
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Re: While we're talking about the 2289...

Msg. 109002  Posted by Benoit Landry on May 04, 1999 at 20:42:14:

In Reply to: Re: While we're talking about the 2289... posted by MR Bulk� on May 04, 1999 at 07:41:05:

Mr. BULK( how the hect DO you do that little TM??? oh right, that's a secret I suppose. Sorry.)

"Could try gradually longer barrels shot over a
chrono and stop at last length tested when velocities begin dropping."

It would be a good idea, if I had a chrono that is!! now I really gotta get a summer job. Anyway, my conception of the situation is based on the 2250 and 2260 which seem to have the same power plant. As I remember it they can both deliver around 35 shots from a single cartridge, so the amount of gas used per shot would theoretically be the same. This means that the 2250 could function with a long barrel...so why not the 2289?? Ok, the CO2 version has an extra 0.85 ft-lb. The amount of gas ddelivered in either model should be pretty similar, in taht case. What do you think ?

Also, you said you knew about the mechanics of CO2 propulsion...Is there a difference in the physical properties of air and CO2, as far as airgunning is concerned( all I know is the temperature thing..)

Regards,

Benoit Landry
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Re: Hunting rifles

Msg. 109001  Posted by ToddN on May 04, 1999 at 20:42:11:

In Reply to: Re: Hunting rifles posted by E Fudd on May 04, 1999 at 12:39:05:

I'd have to add to that, that it depends where you're
hunting. A .22 rimfire is far too much power for say
indoor, close-range ratting or hunting fairly near to
homes.
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Re: Hunting stories...RATS

Msg. 109000  Posted by Alan on May 04, 1999 at 20:41:50:

In Reply to: Re: Hunting stories...RATS posted by MR Bulk� on May 04, 1999 at 17:48:28:

Do your rib shot rats run off(tool was 5mm bantam at estimated 650fps)? Head shots were only shots that anchored them where they stood. I am anxious to try R9 in chicken barn at same vermin. Alan (Ratomizor?)d
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Re: BSA SS Latch Problem

Msg. 108999  Posted by Mike Raineri on May 04, 1999 at 20:20:10:

In Reply to: Re: BSA SS Latch Problem posted by RBest on May 04, 1999 at 20:17:02:

Thanks for the info Russ. I will poke around with it for the rest of the evening and give Precision a call in the morning.
Thanks Again
Mike

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Re: BSA SS Latch Problem

Msg. 108998  Posted by RBest on May 04, 1999 at 20:17:02:

In Reply to: Re: BSA SS Latch Problem posted by Mike Raineri on May 04, 1999 at 20:11:14:

Mike: they have a BSA trained gunsmith available now ( in town) so I'm sure they'll help you out. PSI folks are a decent lot, for sure. Russ
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Re: Maccari Tune-up

Msg. 108997  Posted by RBest on May 04, 1999 at 20:14:21:

In Reply to: Re: Maccari Tune-up posted by PAL on May 04, 1999 at 18:51:39:

Paul's right. If a tune wasn't worth it, we wouldn't be bragging up these tunes all the time. To really appreciate the difference, don't tune it immediately. Shoot it for a bit, break the gun in, THEN get it tuned. You'll love the difference a tune makes, but if you tune it before even getting delivery of the gun, you'll never know what the stock gun shot like. Regards, Russ
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Re: BSA SS Latch Problem

Msg. 108996  Posted by Mike Raineri on May 04, 1999 at 20:11:14:

In Reply to: Re: BSA SS Latch Problem posted by RBest on May 04, 1999 at 20:05:04:

Russ: I checked out everything that you mentioned, everything looks OK. If I can't solve this will Precision do out of warrenty work? I live in Ma and could drive it over if they aliow that.
Mike

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Re: BSA SS Latch Problem

Msg. 108995  Posted by Mike Raineri on May 04, 1999 at 20:07:09:

In Reply to: Re: BSA SS Latch Problem posted by FrankW on May 04, 1999 at 19:52:36:

Frank:
I'm 2 months out of warranty. If the sear is broken does anyone know how difficult it is to take apart the trigger assembly. I have the exploded drawing that came with the rifle. If I start sliding out pins will springs go flying.

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Re: BSA SS Latch Problem

Msg. 108994  Posted by RBest on May 04, 1999 at 20:05:04:

In Reply to: Re: BSA SS Latch Problem posted by FrankW on May 04, 1999 at 19:52:36:

Mike: try playing with the safety linkage too. Sometimes they hang up a little. Also check the AB ( anti beartrap) spring and clip on the side of the trigger housing. A couple of these have popped off in the past, and won't allow the gun to latch. Easy fix. Regards, Russ
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Re: BSA SS Latch Problem

Msg. 108993  Posted by FrankW on May 04, 1999 at 19:52:36:

In Reply to: BSA SS Latch Problem posted by Mike Rainei on May 04, 1999 at 19:21:46:

When that happened to my SS, it was a broken trigger sear. It's covered by the warranty.
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Never completed or past a college level English course ...

Msg. 108992  Posted by vZc on May 04, 1999 at 19:50:40:

In Reply to: Re: B-Square scope rail level: Is your level plumb with rail top ... posted by LOU V.K. on May 04, 1999 at 18:34:59:

... but was curious about other installations.

The " vZc methodolgy " is to level the rifle within rest using rail top as reference, then level the scope elevation turret cover to rail reference.

Center bubble on the B-Square unit is not necessary; just a known reference point to the reference rail standard.
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Re: I'm back (sort of)

Msg. 108991  Posted by DonC on May 04, 1999 at 19:48:48:

In Reply to: I'm back (sort of) posted by WJS/wi/usa on May 04, 1999 at 19:40:16:

Glad yer back! I lost bookmarks and e-mails cause I have a 12 year old son. (Son of a gun) no pun intended.
What did ya piss yer money away on in Arkansas?
Yo,
Don
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Re: Pellets flush or past flush

Msg. 108990  Posted by Jon B. on May 04, 1999 at 19:47:06:

In Reply to: Pellets flush or past flush posted by Huck on May 04, 1999 at 16:10:20:

Huck:
What Russ said. I actually compared fps using a seater as opposed to without, in my R-9, 20 cal. All pellets were slower with the seater, although some by only 5-10 fps. FTS went from 750 fps avg. to about 730 fps. The spread and standard deviation were substantially lower (FTS w/no seater - stand. dev. = 6.4 fps, w/seater stand dev = 1.7 fps), though, so I guess you could say the fps was more consistent with the seater. Don't remember noticing a big difference in accuracy. I understand the seater makes it tough on your spring and piston, shortening life on both. I don't generally use one anymore.
HTH Jon B.
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Send the complete rifle back until satisfactorily repaired then void your warranty. nt.

Msg. 108989  Posted by vZc on May 04, 1999 at 19:40:58:

In Reply to: About my RWS --- more info posted by William on May 04, 1999 at 18:32:38:

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I'm back (sort of)

Msg. 108988  Posted by WJS/wi/usa on May 04, 1999 at 19:40:16:

I'm back up but I still have to reload all of my software. I've got a new ISP and unfortunately they loaded Inte.null Explorer instead of.nullscape so I have to figure out how to run all of this stuff again.

Anyway, I have a new e-mail if anyone wants it. It is "airgunr@null.null" If I'm a little slow in responding please be patient, I'm learning new software here.

I think I saved my old bookmarks but I'm still not sure about e-mail addresses. I think I've got most of them.

If someone would e-mail me the "Rules" from Jim Henry's "Airgun List" I would appreciate it. I need to rejoin the group on my new server.

Thanks in advance for all your help!

Bill Slater

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KUDOS ! How about a site for Light Optics Works ? nt.

Msg. 108987  Posted by vZc on May 04, 1999 at 19:39:03:

In Reply to: Did someone want this Hakko site??? posted by Stocky on May 04, 1999 at 18:44:09:

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Re: Career 707

Msg. 108986  Posted by Geoff.R.C. on May 04, 1999 at 19:27:56:

In Reply to: Re: Career 707 posted by jim morrow on May 03, 1999 at 21:53:57:

Hi Jim,
I believe that the carbine is a factory mod'that is the barrel extends about three quarters of an inch past the fore-sight which is then treaded.The rifles have the same amount machined off the top of the fore-sight block, in the barrel region only.Then the barrel is threaded,however because of the filler an extension of about three quarters of an inch screws onto the barrel before the moderator.The complete job looks as though it was made that way.
Joe's details: Mr.J.C.Young.
Target-Tronics.
15.Rudbeck Drive
Harrogate,
North Yorkshire. HG.2.-7AF.
Great-Britain.

Tel.01423-885574. Fax.01423-540131.

No I did not have a regulator fitted.Ido not feel that the sort of shooting I enjoy really warrants that level of sofistication.
Hope that helps
Geoff.
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BSA SS Latch Problem

Msg. 108985  Posted by Mike Rainei on May 04, 1999 at 19:21:46:

Sunday my BSA SS stoped latching up when you cock the barrel. I took the stock off and everything seems OK. I tried turning the adjustment screw on the bottom in 2 turns because it was posted that this increases the tension for the sear. Still no luck. Does anyone have any suggestions before I send it out for repair?
thanks
Mike
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Holy S**T !

Msg. 108984  Posted by RBest on May 04, 1999 at 19:15:08:

In Reply to: Re: Pellets Pointed vs Wadcutter ?Ouch NT! NONE! posted by peteR on May 04, 1999 at 09:25:36:

Now THAT is heavy return fire ! RB
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Re: Small game hunters in Detroit area ?

Msg. 108983  Posted by Quack on May 04, 1999 at 19:01:28:

In Reply to: Small game hunters in Detroit area ? posted by Ted on May 02, 1999 at 20:10:27:

May not be Detroit, but I live just south of Flint in Grand Blanc. I love squirrel hunting. Quack

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Re: Marksman 1215 pellets....

Msg. 108982  Posted by RBest on May 04, 1999 at 19:00:49:

In Reply to: Marksman 1215 pellets.... posted by Steve B. on May 04, 1999 at 04:15:31:

Steve: they probably are Bearcubs then. Marksman also sells a hollowpoint that's identical to the Silver Bear. Likely to be the same pellet with a different label. Regards, Russ
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Re: BENJAMIN 397----OR---BSA SUPERSPORT

Msg. 108981  Posted by Quack on May 04, 1999 at 18:58:12:

In Reply to: BENJAMIN 397----OR---BSA SUPERSPORT posted by bob on May 03, 1999 at 02:47:44:

Bob, I own both guns and the SS blows the Ben. 397 out of the water. I would only consider getting the .20 Sheridan or the .22 Benj. I would not get either multi-pump unless you plan on MAC-1 doing at least a trigger job if not the steroid tune. The multi pump is handy though for varied power. You just need to ask yourself what exactly am I going to do with this gun. The pros and cons are out there, you just need to decide whats best for YOU! Hope this helps, Quack

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Re: Hey Russ .20 cal R-9 velocities

Msg. 108980  Posted by RBest on May 04, 1999 at 18:57:58:

In Reply to: Re: Hey Russ .20 cal R-9 velocities posted by Burris on May 04, 1999 at 01:55:20:

Bill: it's shooting like it was tuned ! Could be a keeper. My R-9 was absolutely typical in power before the tune, and you're well above that. Could be one of those guns that everything went together just right in at the factory. Did Beeman tune it? ( look for gel on the spring). Regards, Russ
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Re: Maccari Tune-up

Msg. 108979  Posted by PAL on May 04, 1999 at 18:51:39:

In Reply to: Maccari Tune-up posted by BW37 on May 04, 1999 at 10:23:33:

his web site is at:
http://www0.delphi.com/maccari/

his 'Anything goes forum' forum is at:
http://forums.delphi.com/dir-login/index.asp?nc=no&g=ok&destination=http%3A%2F%2Fforums%2Edelphi%2Ecom%2Fmaccari%2Fstart%2F%3Fmid%3D16391

Just keep reading and asking questions in this and other airgun forums you will hear plenty of good stuff about Maccari tunes

Paul in Oklahoma "Tornado Wonderland"
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Re: Maccari Tune-up

Msg. 108978  Posted by PAL on May 04, 1999 at 18:50:09:

In Reply to: Maccari Tune-up posted by BW37 on May 04, 1999 at 10:23:33:

his web site is at:
http://www0.delphi.com/maccari/

his forum is at:
http://forums.delphi.com/dir-login/index.asp?nc=no&g=ok&destination=http%3A%2F%2Fforums%2Edelphi%2Ecom%2Fmaccari%2Fstart%2F%3Fmid%3D16391

Just keep reading and questions in this and other airgun forums you will hear plenty of good stuff about Maccari tunes
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Re: Who makes Marksman

Msg. 108977  Posted by LOU V.K. on May 04, 1999 at 18:46:41:

In Reply to: Re: Who makes Marksman posted by burbago on May 04, 1999 at 15:54:24:


Marksman bought no body. S.R. Industries,owner of Marksman bought Beeman.
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Re: " A " Team attendance will attend DIFTA Match this weekend + Career 707 Free Floated Wins DCFS Offhand Field Target match

Msg. 108976  Posted by Bill B. on May 04, 1999 at 18:44:11:

In Reply to: posted by A-TEAM-RAY on May 04, 1999 at 11:29:56:

Guess this means you'll be selling that P-70 cheap, huh?

B.
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Did someone want this Hakko site???

Msg. 108975  Posted by Stocky on May 04, 1999 at 18:44:09:

It's kinda lame, but....


http://www.nituco.com/hakkors.html


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Re: Help: Pro Elite Pellets Jamed in Barrel/Crows

Msg. 108974  Posted by RBest on May 04, 1999 at 18:39:25:

In Reply to: Help: Pro Elite Pellets Jamed in Barrel/Crows posted by Ed Devlin on May 04, 1999 at 18:31:31:

Ed: if you have a coated rod like a Dewey rod, you can try gently poking and pressing to see if they come out. Try pushing from the nuzzle to the breech. The reason I say that is because of the moderator on the PE. . If you push from the breech, the pellets may enter the open area of the moderator and prove to be very difficult to remove. You can also try 3/16" wooden dowel rod from Home Depot( or where ever)( assuming you have .22 caliber). You may have to send it to Watts or Maccari to have the moderator sleeve removed so it can be cleaned out. Regards, Russ
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Re: Scopes

Msg. 108973  Posted by Adam on May 04, 1999 at 18:35:25:

In Reply to: Scopes posted by Eric Field on May 04, 1999 at 09:03:10:

The price for that scope is extremely good, it would be a good buy. The scope if perfect for an RX-1, and is quite doable. But I wouldn't put it on a Gamo Hunter 440 it is too much scope for it. I have a 220 and they are very similiar. Go with the Bushnell, or a Simmons Pro-Air (I have a 6.5-20x44 Simmons). Adam
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Re: B-Square scope rail level: Is your level plumb with rail top ...

Msg. 108972  Posted by LOU V.K. on May 04, 1999 at 18:34:59:

In Reply to: B-Square scope rail level: Is your level plumb with rail top ... posted by vZc on May 04, 1999 at 18:27:31:


So? If you rotate the scope within the rings,all becomes plumb that matters. Why should anyone care if the scope rail is half a bubble off?
I guess that down in L.A.the tilt of the world is different than anywhere else in the world. Is the English language also different? Your abbreviated postings make no sense to me,in most cases.
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About my RWS --- more info

Msg. 108971  Posted by William on May 04, 1999 at 18:32:38:

If you read down the posts along ways you will see
that I'm the newbee that had a new RWS that took a
dump.
I would first off like to thank all those that offered
ideas and help.
RWS got back to me and said I could send in just the
action and send it freight collect and they would repair it.
So I want to take this time and say that is decent of
them and that it shows good product backing.
Thanks RWS.
Yes I think I will send it in.
However the first thing when I get it back the spring is
coming out and I'm getting one of Jim's kits !
Do you guys get a commission or what ! :-)
Thanks all.
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Help: Pro Elite Pellets Jamed in Barrel/Crows

Msg. 108970  Posted by Ed Devlin on May 04, 1999 at 18:31:31:

So, I thought I was having a pretty good day. Got
home from work and those darn crows were in the garden
in the backyard about 25 yards from the house. So
I got out the PW-tuned .20 R1, some Silver Bears and
sat down in the bedroom with the window open. Four silver
Bears later there were three dead crows on the ground.
All body shots, one was still live when it hit the ground,
but another body shot killed it. The other two dropped
like stones from the trees and never moved on the ground.

These are the first crows I have shot. I have read about how
hard they are to kill, but the 21 ft lb R1 did not seem
to have any problem with body shots.

Anyway, that is not why I am posting. I next went to start
to resight in my .22 Pro Elite by shooting some paper targets.
I am not that good a shot when shooting paper, its a wonder
I got those crows with as poor a job as I was doing
trying to get reasonable groups.

I shot at the target and thought I missed it. So I reloaded
and shot again, the gun sounded funny, like no pellet was in it.
I looked through the barrel and somehow the first shot never made
it out of the barrel, and the second shot got jammed in the barrel.
I suspect the gun was not quite closed all the way
on the first shot and the pellet got stuck in the barrel.
So how can I get the pellets out of the barrel without
screwing up the barrel? Any ideas, thanks.

Ed

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Re: Pellets flush or past flush

Msg. 108969  Posted by RBest on May 04, 1999 at 18:30:27:

In Reply to: Re: Pellets flush or past flush posted by Greg Fischer on May 04, 1999 at 17:23:44:

Huck: Gregs' idea is pretty good. In my own experiments, past flush pellets were slower because the pellet starts moving up the barrel before peak pressure is arrived at( important in spring type field guns). About the only thing I use pellet seating tools for now is if I'm using a gun with a snug breech, I push the pellet flush with the seating tool. The tools are also good for gntly smoothing out small deformities at the edge of the skirt. Regards, Russ
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B-Square scope rail level: Is your level plumb with rail top ...

Msg. 108968  Posted by vZc on May 04, 1999 at 18:27:31:

... on my RWS 48 it the bubble is right of center.
Same tilt on 2 units side by side compared to 3 "
Sears pocket level on top of rail.
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Re: GAMO EXPO 26

Msg. 108967  Posted by Adam on May 04, 1999 at 18:23:35:

In Reply to: GAMO EXPO 26 posted by Doug on May 04, 1999 at 12:29:22:

The gun is not that great it it inaccurate, not consistent has a bad trigger,and isn't very powerful. But it is affordable. I have one in .177 cal. I guess it is ok for $100. Good luck

(if you you email me the price range you are looking for, I might be able to suggest a few better guns)

-Adam
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Re: How save are the PCP air cylinders of a Career 707, Theoben Super 7, Styer LG1p, etc.

Msg. 108966  Posted by John Mickel on May 04, 1999 at 18:13:32:

In Reply to: How save are the PCP air cylinders of a Career 707, Theoben Super 7, Styer LG1p, etc. posted by RuudE on May 04, 1999 at 11:36:01:

Scuba tanks must, by law, be visually inspected each year and hydrostatically tested each 5 yrs. I don't see why that shouldn't be the case with a PCP cylinder, although I don't think the annual visual check is too critical. Remember, scuba tanks often get filled several times a week and usually under adverse conditions. That is, on a boat or near water and then they a immersed in water thru' use. Such is not the case with a PCP cylinder, unless you're using it for something that I'm not aware of. I would think that a 5 yr check would be in order. john
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Re: Seeking advice on buying son's airgun

Msg. 108965  Posted by Mark Lemm on May 04, 1999 at 18:09:02:

In Reply to: Seeking advice on buying son's airgun posted by John Thornton on May 04, 1999 at 13:53:45:

Check out straightshooters.com or airgunexpress.com for on-line prices and purchasing.

-Mark
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Re: Can someone provide a description of the Career Tanker Carbine ?

Msg. 108964  Posted by The Airgun Letter on May 04, 1999 at 18:02:41:

In Reply to: Can someone provide a description of the Career Tanker Carbine ? posted by Conrad (SJ CA) on May 04, 1999 at 15:22:11:

The first of a series of reports on the Tanker Carbine is in the May '99 issue of our monthly newsletter. Basically, the gun has the same looks as the traditional Career 707 (which has two built-in reservoir tubes). The Tanker has a single fat removable tank. The stock is not the glossy one you have seen on previous Career guns. The receiver is black instead of gold, silver or grey. And, of course, the Tanker is a carbine, so it's shorter than the Career rifle. The gun pictured in the May newsletter is not the final production model. The manufacturer has not mentioned anything to us about how or what will be changed.

If you've never received a free issue of The Airgun Letter, you are welcome to request one. The May issue is the current one for freebie requests. If you've previously received a free issue but don't wish to subscribe, you can always buy the May issue by itself. The link below will take you to the info page to order a back issue.

Edith Gaylord
The Airgun Letter
staff@null.null
http://www.airgunletter.null
http://www.airgunletter.com

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Re: SILENCER FOR BENJAMIN 22 / I found some places

Msg. 108963  Posted by Steven F on May 04, 1999 at 17:55:07:

In Reply to: SILENCER FOR BENJAMIN 22 posted by Steven F on May 03, 1999 at 21:43:17:

Upon finding Paladin Press I stumbled uoun these pathetic sites...


http://www.surreyguns.com/awa.html

http://www.totse.com/files/FA032/bb_plt.htm
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Re: Hunting stories...RATS

Msg. 108962  Posted by MR Bulk� on May 04, 1999 at 17:48:28:

In Reply to: Re: Hunting stories...RATS posted by Alan on May 04, 1999 at 07:23:28:

Hey Alan! We be (rat-shootin') soul brothers then! Lemme know if you need moonlighters when any of us ever get out to your area!

MR Bulk�


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Butler Creek Blizzard scope lens protectors are essential. nt.

Msg. 108961  Posted by vZc on May 04, 1999 at 17:45:28:

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Re: Crosman 2250B Breech Seal Leak

Msg. 108960  Posted by Mark Lisowski on May 04, 1999 at 17:42:42:

In Reply to: Crosman 2250B Breech Seal Leak posted by Marty Jones on May 04, 1999 at 16:31:19:

Marty,

Mine did the same thing after about 300 shots. It
happened all of a sudden. I contacted Crosman.
Sent it back (under warrenty) and they sent me a
whole new rifle. They said there was a bad run of
valves that got thru, but the problems been
solved. I had the new one in just about a week.
HTH.

Mark

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Re: Steroid 392

Msg. 108959  Posted by MR Bulk� on May 04, 1999 at 17:39:32:

In Reply to: Steroid 392 posted by Mac1 on May 04, 1999 at 12:18:06:

Hey! QUIT postin' and Get Back Ta Work on my Steroid 2260!

MR Bulk�


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Remington rifle cases with 1 side of the styrofoam packing removed is an excellent shipping case. (nt)

Msg. 108958  Posted by vZc on May 04, 1999 at 17:28:18:

In Reply to: Thanks for all the info guys - here is my next step posted by William on May 03, 1999 at 12:46:51:

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Re: Regulators

Msg. 108956  Posted by Dave M on May 04, 1999 at 17:25:25:

In Reply to: Regulators posted by GreggR on May 04, 1999 at 08:24:10:

Greg, Is yours acting up? Think 2002.

Dave
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Re: Pellets flush or past flush

Msg. 108955  Posted by Greg Fischer on May 04, 1999 at 17:23:44:

In Reply to: Pellets flush or past flush posted by Huck on May 04, 1999 at 16:10:20:

The people who make and sell pellet seating tools would have you believe "past flush and the same every time" is important. Why don't you do design a little experiment and let us know your conclusions. Then we can argue with you :-)

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AirGunExpress (url) under rifles has some verbage and pictures.

Msg. 108954  Posted by vZc on May 04, 1999 at 17:22:05:

In Reply to: Is Sing Sung on the Web?? (NT) posted by andye on May 01, 1999 at 18:04:29:

.

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Re: Free Gun

Msg. 108953  Posted by MR Bulk� on May 04, 1999 at 17:20:50:

In Reply to: Free Gun posted by RON on May 04, 1999 at 15:19:44:

Career.

MR Bulk�


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I suspect you're experiencing '' Depth of field '' ; higher power - less nt.

Msg. 108952  Posted by vZc on May 04, 1999 at 17:11:50:

In Reply to: Yes, but... posted by David M on May 04, 1999 at 13:30:31:

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Re: Quality Recoilless Youth Airguns

Msg. 108951  Posted by Homer on May 04, 1999 at 16:59:39:

In Reply to: Quality Recoilless Youth Airguns posted by Bob Mohs on May 03, 1999 at 14:25:35:

Bought a RWS 72 for my sons. Is a great intro gun for 10M. Has adj. butt for growing kids. Is not ambi. but my left handed son does not find it a problem and enjoys the gun. So far,as eluded to below, they have been good investments too.
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Soft Air Guns

Msg. 108950  Posted by Eric Field on May 04, 1999 at 16:55:13:

I have a collection of Soft Air guns that I want to sell, and I need to know what their value is. Most of these guns were made by Daisy, and are VERY realistic looking. They fire 6mm round plastic pellets and I will describe them below:

1 - An H&K MP5K, pump action from front handle, has removable magazine that has plastic rounds, and you place the 6mm pellet in the round, load into magazine, then fire, pumping handle to eject an dchamber next round.

2 - What looks like a KG-99 Submachine gun, operates on same principle as the HK MP5, and has a metal magazine. This one is still in the original box with manual and targets.

3 - H&K P9 pistol, has removable magazine - when you fire it, it knocks the slide partially back, then you pull the slide back to chamber the next pellet.

4 - Luger P38 pistol, loads only one single pellet at a time.

5 - S&W .357 magnum revolver - this one has an odd firing system - it has 6 cartridges that each have springs in them, you load a pellet into each, then load the cartridges into the pistol and fire them.

6 - An exact duplicate of a Steyr AUG assault rifle that has a removable magazine. It takes the same 6mm pellets and operates using compressed air - I do not have any air or the attachment that goes from the gun to the tube.

Thanks to everyone for your help in getting an idea as to what these are worth - Daisy stopped making these years ago, so I wonder if that helps with the value.

Eric

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Crosman 2250B Breech Seal Leak

Msg. 108949  Posted by Marty Jones on May 04, 1999 at 16:31:19:

Whenever I fire this new gun, I can feel just
enough breech leakage to annoy me. Any other
owners out there, is this typical and did you
do anything about it?

best regards,

Marty Jones
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Re: ADVANTAGE?? Yeah right!

Msg. 108948  Posted by A-TEAM-RAY on May 04, 1999 at 16:26:31:

In Reply to: ADVANTAGE?? Yeah right! posted by JC Brown on May 04, 1999 at 15:01:59:

Well the base gun is around $500. The regulator of ours is $175 but that's optional (it does allow you to concentrate on the more important things instead of count and click and charge and reset) but again that's optional. Spring Kit is $20and that is mandatory in my mind. Scope rings doesn't matter you pickem any price for a precharge. Scope your preference. My long gun has a Nightforce36 as you mentioned but you have a 40X scope so they are comparable. Forearm replacement free and optional. Did it myself (Hans does great woodwork, couldn't have done it without him). My Backup Career Carbine has a Storey Custom 36 power scope and that gun took first in the second to last match at Difta last year. The required costs are gun and spring kit. The HIGHLY recommended option is the regulator. The point is its do able. You can charge gun every lane and get a tight spread without a regulator. That wouldn't have changed my score. But The reg makes it MUCH easier. I concentrate on what we are supposed to be concentrate on and maybe that gives me an advantage over the non regulated competitor but it's still an option. Get a Career ($500), Spring kit ($20), scope rings ($20), and Scope (Simmons mag 44 $140) and you are competitive with a really accurate gun. Total is $680 and you are off and runing with the big boys. Add in a reg for an optional $175 and total is $855. Way below any full blown field target rig out there. That's $345 lower then just your $1200 stock ProTarget that you still need to add a scope and rings too. Yep your right YOU DO HAVE THE ADVANTAGE. We all have heard just how easy the Protargets are to shoot. I have to work a little bit for my points. Now WHO HAS THE ADVANTAGE? And you are right I love my P70FT but am proving that it isn't necessary to do well in FT. Thanks for calling me an elitist. But there are a lot of good guns out there and My point is you don't need them. They are nice to have but not necessary, like the reg in the Career (definitely nice to have and my preference). BTW you are welcome to shoot my backup Career at the Match if you like. Not handling pellets is also a plus now that I think of it. I use our speed loader to reload the magazine and that is my refernce shot count. Very easy but not mandatory.

I should already have the knob in invetory, see me at the match. Side wheel is diferent story. See you Saturday


Ray from ~ The �A� Team
(914-896-9792)
A-TEAM-RAY == > ateamray@null.null

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Pellets flush or past flush

Msg. 108947  Posted by Huck on May 04, 1999 at 16:10:20:

Hi,does it make a difference if the pellet is
flush or past flush (1/16")in the barrel? I'm using mainly C.P.'s 14.3(.22) Thanks.
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Ask Edith for the initial free copy of AirGun Letter; it's elswhere no this site (nt).

Msg. 108946  Posted by vZc on May 04, 1999 at 16:05:34:

In Reply to: Can someone provide a description of the Career Tanker Carbine ? posted by Conrad (SJ CA) on May 04, 1999 at 15:22:11:

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Re: Who makes Marksman

Msg. 108945  Posted by burbago on May 04, 1999 at 15:54:24:

In Reply to: Re: Who makes Marksman posted by TM on May 04, 1999 at 14:03:45:


Marksman bought Beeman several years ago.

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Re: FWB 65

Msg. 108944  Posted by Greg Fischer on May 04, 1999 at 15:43:01:

In Reply to: FWB 65 posted by G. Drachsler on May 04, 1999 at 04:46:49:

FWB 65 pistols are solid guns that last forever. Don't put any oil down the transfer port -- no lubrication required -- EVER. FWB in Germany should have a manual for you. Beeman sells and services them in the U.S. and parts are available, since they're still selling the pistols to this day -- the only spring pistol still occasionally shot in international matches.


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Re: Who makes Marksman

Msg. 108943  Posted by LOU V.K. on May 04, 1999 at 15:34:40:

In Reply to: Re: Who makes Marksman posted by TM on May 04, 1999 at 14:03:45:


SR industries is the owner of both Beeman,and,Marksman. Marksman does manufacture some extremely low grade plastic and die cast toy airguns,slingshots,etc.,and,Beeman is the importer/distributor of several brands of adult grade airgun products,however,Beeman makes nothing but,large amounts of money,and,that, from the airgunners of the U.S.
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Re: Quality Recoilless Youth Airguns

Msg. 108942  Posted by Conrad (SJ CA) on May 04, 1999 at 15:31:03:

In Reply to: Quality Recoilless Youth Airguns posted by Bob Mohs on May 03, 1999 at 14:25:35:

How about a crossman 760.

2-3 pounds.
Easy to pump.
Cheap.
Shots bbs and pellets.

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Hey Ron

Msg. 108941  Posted by LOU V.K. on May 04, 1999 at 15:26:31:

In Reply to: Re: Free Gun: .22 PE w/ Walnut stock and tune NT posted by Ross on May 04, 1999 at 15:24:31:


How about a career?
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Re: I don't think so, buddy!!!

Msg. 108940  Posted by squint on May 04, 1999 at 15:24:51:

In Reply to: Re: I don't think so, buddy!!! posted by A-TEAM-RAY on May 04, 1999 at 13:22:24:

Oh-yea,
Well my crossman 760 with its 4x tasco will
blow you all away.
I might even pump it up
to eleven strokes.
Watch out Buds!
Steel B-B's will rock your world soon enough!
This ones bad, bad!
Best guard your little ladies as well.
He Hee He Hee
next month, be there.
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Re: Yes, but...

Msg. 108939  Posted by LOU V.K. on May 04, 1999 at 15:24:34:

In Reply to: Yes, but... posted by David M on May 04, 1999 at 13:30:31:


I currently own 6 Simmons 6.5-20X44,Mag 44 series mod.1048 scopes.I have owned at least another 15,since they were introduced. All of mine,at 20X will show a crisp picture,only in a VERY shallow depth of field. If you expect this to happen at lesser magnification,you are fooling yourself,as" it ain't gonna happen."
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Re: Free Gun: .22 PE w/ Walnut stock and tune NT

Msg. 108938  Posted by Ross on May 04, 1999 at 15:24:31:

In Reply to: Free Gun posted by RON on May 04, 1999 at 15:19:44:

nt
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Can someone provide a description of the Career Tanker Carbine ?

Msg. 108937  Posted by Conrad (SJ CA) on May 04, 1999 at 15:22:11:

What features does this gun have ?

Why do people say that it is good ?

What are the differences between it and
the career rifle ?

Conrad
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Re: How save are the PCP air cylinders of a Career 707, Theoben Super 7, Styer LG1p, etc.

Msg. 108936  Posted by MCsenger on May 04, 1999 at 15:21:44:

In Reply to: How save are the PCP air cylinders of a Career 707, Theoben Super 7, Styer LG1p, etc. posted by RuudE on May 04, 1999 at 11:36:01:

My Super 7 document says the bottle is designed to fail by ripping (softly?!) instead of exploding. It won't act like a grenade, but I suppose you wouldn't want to be handling it at the time.

Scuba tanks fail when 1) they slip or are dropped and the valve gets knocked off, or 2) people leave them in a hot car and the overpressure valve doesn't function. In case 2 I've heard that they typically rip somewhere near the neck; they don't explode.

-Michael
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Free Gun

Msg. 108935  Posted by RON on May 04, 1999 at 15:19:44:

If you had your choice of a .22 caliber air rifle in the $500 to $600 range, which brand and model would you choose?
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Re: Bedding an Airgun?

Msg. 108934  Posted by LOU V.K. on May 04, 1999 at 15:18:35:

In Reply to: Re: Bedding an Airgun? posted by BobF on May 04, 1999 at 14:36:24:


Jim Maccari does a pretty good job of inletting of the stock on the DIY stocks. If you take out just a bit more,to make room for the resin,you can have a stock which will not allow the action to move with each shot,thus,your consistancy will be enhanced. The feeling of "shooting a tuning fork" is not going to help your shooting in any way,and,a solid,stable rifle is always easier to shoot well,than one with any internal vibrations being fed back out to the shooter. My caution is,be sure to fill any place that you don't want the resin to reach with modelling clay,or,equivilant,and use an effective 'release agent'.I prefer Pam,cooking spray as a release agent.
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ADVANTAGE?? Yeah right!

Msg. 108933  Posted by JC Brown on May 04, 1999 at 15:01:59:

In Reply to: Re: I don't think so, buddy!!! posted by A-TEAM-RAY on May 04, 1999 at 13:22:24:

Let's get some figures straight here:
You've won with your Career (but to say it's "only $500" is pushing it - you've got more invested in it than that! Not to mention the top dollar NightForce sitting up top!)

And you've won with your P70 - so you are an "elitist" $2000-3000 guy too!!! Just depends on what day it is & what you feel like shooting.
:-)

I, on the otherhand, am shooting a $1200 stock Pro Target w/ a cheapie (relatively speaking) Tasco. My only other option is a .20cal R1 w/ 3-9 Leupold.

Would like to try that "slightly modified" Career of yours though... starting to have an itch for a new toy...

Speakin of the Tasco - Please bring one of your large target turret knobs for me to see. I may be interested. And, do you have (or can you make) a larger side wheel for that scope? Range finding is a little tricky 40yds & out.

see ya Sat..
JC


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Re: Hunting rifles

Msg. 108932  Posted by Jim C. on May 04, 1999 at 14:56:38:

In Reply to: Hunting rifles posted by Mark on May 04, 1999 at 00:54:42:

Mark, The CM III is a very nice rifle and .20 is THE cal. to get. I have a .20 CM and a couple of PCP's. The CM can be as accurate as the PCP's if you shoot it well. Which gun I use to hunt with depends on where I'm going. If I will be within a short distance of an air supply (pump or SCUBA tank), I grab the BSA S-10 or Career.
If you want a self contained, beautiful and accurate rifle, the CM is very nice IMHO.
Jim C.

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Re: Seeking advice on buying son's airgun

Msg. 108931  Posted by E Fudd on May 04, 1999 at 14:53:49:

In Reply to: Seeking advice on buying son's airgun posted by John Thornton on May 04, 1999 at 13:53:45:

Any of the following should be good first guns.

Benjamin 397 or 392 about $100
Sheridan blue streak or silver streak about $140
SM1000(only good Chinese gun) about $130
BSA supersport about $170

The first two are traditional pump guns, while the second two are spring piston guns. All are fairly powerful and are well suited to pest control or small game. The springers should be more accurate, but require better shooting technique to shoot well.
The SM1000 has a reputation for having a great value, but somewhat spotty quality control. Mac-1 sells them for slightly more, but guarantees them to be bug free.
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Re: Seeking advice on buying son's airgun

Msg. 108930  Posted by jrk on May 04, 1999 at 14:52:38:

In Reply to: Seeking advice on buying son's airgun posted by John Thornton on May 04, 1999 at 13:53:45:

Can you be a little more specific on what you mean by 'too much'? To some people $50 is too much and to some others $500 is too much. Also, are you looking strictly for a bb gun or are you considering a pellet gun as well? Another question would be, are you looking for a pistol or rifle?
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Re: Barrel cockers vs side cockers

Msg. 108929  Posted by Michael Edelman on May 04, 1999 at 14:51:05:

In Reply to: Re: Barrel cockers vs side cockers posted by Lou C on May 01, 1999 at 08:20:24:

A fixed bbl should be more accurate, all other things being equal, but then, it's rare that all other things are equal!

My FT guns are side cockers, but I've fired many a barrel cocker that could rival them for accuracy. I played with Lou VK's customized R1 at the Michigan expo, and it certainly put the pellets on target with regularity when I did my part.


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Re: favorite field target gun

Msg. 108928  Posted by Michael Edelman on May 04, 1999 at 14:43:08:

In Reply to: favorite field target gun posted by Tim Baker on May 02, 1999 at 09:47:41:

Theoben Sirocco, no question. Light, elegant, accurate, powerful and no vibration.
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Re: New RWS took a dump ! HELP !

Msg. 108927  Posted by Michael Edelman on May 04, 1999 at 14:41:47:

In Reply to: New RWS took a dump ! HELP ! posted by William on May 02, 1999 at 15:38:28:

In addition to the Maccari spring and tune, another good option is a Vortek gas ram. Either option will give far better performance and reliability than the RWS factory springs. It appears that when RWS pumped up the power of the 48/52 for the US market, they didn't put enough care in spring specification. The guns, as noted, are famous for breaking springs.
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Re: Steroid 392

Msg. 108926  Posted by Michael Edelman on May 04, 1999 at 14:36:36:

In Reply to: Steroid 392 posted by Mac1 on May 04, 1999 at 12:18:06:

I hadthe chance to spend a few weeks with one of Tim's modified Benjamins, and if you like Sheridens and Benjamins, you *must* get one of Tim's tuneups. He really does make these guns deliver all the potential they have. I was very surprised to see how much power he gets of out them.
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Re: Bedding an Airgun?

Msg. 108925  Posted by BobF on May 04, 1999 at 14:36:24:

In Reply to: Re: Bedding an Airgun? posted by LOU V.K. on May 04, 1999 at 13:21:58:

Lou:
Aside from my Pro Elite, I have a busted R9 (2nd Beeman spring) and was going to send it to JM. While it was there I thought I'd also get a DIY stock and do the bedding before I finished the stock.
Do you get any intrinsic accuracy improvement from the bedding (is the action really sliding around - it has to be moving) or is any accuracy benefit from reduced hold sensitivity?
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Re: Nickel C40?

Msg. 108924  Posted by TM on May 04, 1999 at 14:07:59:

In Reply to: Nickel C40? posted by Ross on May 03, 1999 at 15:02:02:

I get mine at Wal-mart. They cost about $3 for three. Anyplace that sells the Crosman 1008 should have the clips since they are the ones that the C40 uses. Try Wal-mart, Jumbo sports, Sports Authority, K-mart(only if they decide to quit supporting Rosie O'Donnell and her Anti-gun comments)
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Re: Who makes Marksman

Msg. 108923  Posted by TM on May 04, 1999 at 14:03:45:

In Reply to: Who makes Marksman posted by daveg on May 03, 1999 at 19:21:47:

Beeman and Marksman are somehow related. I am not sure but I think one of the companies imports the other or is the distributor for the other.
I suspect this because one of the shops that I buy from orders both brands from the same distributor and they both have the same manufacturer code in their stock numbers.
Good shooting
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Seeking advice on buying son's airgun

Msg. 108921  Posted by John Thornton on May 04, 1999 at 13:53:45:

I have told my son I would buy him a BBgun. I am seeking advice on
what to buy and how to buy it. I don't want to pay too much but
don't want to buy junk. He is 16 and I want him to
keep it for a while.

Are their any sited on line I can purchase a airgun?
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Yes, but...

Msg. 108920  Posted by David M on May 04, 1999 at 13:30:31:

In Reply to: Leupold #49801 is accurate: when I dial in a known range, targt is focused. nt posted by vZc on May 04, 1999 at 07:36:52:

will the picture continue to be in focus when you turn the dial slightly to the left or right of that focused position? I have a Simmons Mag 44 6.5-20X and a Simmons Pro-Air 6-18X that can be set to 30 yards on the objective and be in perfect focus when I aim at something exactly thirty yards away. However, I can then turn the dial to 40 or even 45 yards, and to my surprise (read: disgust) the sight picture is still in focus! I'm sure the Leupold can't be that bad, but what yardage increments can you distinguish on yours?

Regards,
David M
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Re: New RWS ----my experience with two 48s.Broken springs.

Msg. 108919  Posted by William on May 04, 1999 at 13:30:11:

In Reply to: Re: New RWS ----my experience with two 48s.Broken springs. posted by Alan on May 04, 1999 at 07:52:46:

I know things break.
I have no problem with that.
But I am talking about a gun with only 200 rounds
through it. Only about 2 weeks old when it broke.
Now I should spend $30 + to ship it out and get fixed.
I dont think so.
I bought the gun nowing that the springs might break
sooner then they should.
And I would have no problem with them sending me out
a new spring.
I don't mind doing the repair work.
Oh and NO this one has never been dry fired !!!
Any way thanks for your input I never turn down
information.

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Re: I don't think so, buddy!!!

Msg. 108918  Posted by A-TEAM-RAY on May 04, 1999 at 13:22:24:

In Reply to: I don't think so, buddy!!! posted by JC Brown on May 04, 1999 at 12:11:45:

I didn't forget about you. I'm trying to convert you. You guys always keep me on my toes and I'm definitely giving you guys the advantage ......................RIGHT!!!! I now have my excuse if I can't pull it off. It's built in and documented world wide. I'm shooting a $500 gun compared to your $2000 to $3000+ guns. Thats a disadvantage for me or an advantage for you guys. Isn't it? I never expect to win but am pleased when it happens we'll have to see what happens.

See you guy's Saturday. Thanks for the heads up on the weather.

Ray from ~ The �A� Team
(914-896-9792)
A-TEAM-RAY == > ateamray@null.null

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Re: Bedding an Airgun?

Msg. 108917  Posted by LOU V.K. on May 04, 1999 at 13:21:58:

In Reply to: Bedding an Airgun? posted by BobF on May 04, 1999 at 09:56:20:


I have 'glassed' several of my air rifles.The PCP rifles seem to benefit most from a pair of strips of fiberglass cloth and resin across the inletting of the stock,one in front,and,one behind the bedding screw,to lift the action out of contact with the stock,except on those two narrow,( 3/4" ) strips.This allows the reservoir to expand,and contract with variances in pressure within the reservoir,and,to allow for heat expansion. It does help,and,I will take all of the help that I can get. My piston guns,which have been bedded have the entire bottom side of the action bedded solidly,with the needed trigger mortice,etc.,relieved. This makes most piston guns much smoother per the felt recoil. Again,it helps to have a rifle that does not feel like a tuning fork after each shot.
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Re: A good gun for hunting in .22?

Msg. 108916  Posted by Mike on May 04, 1999 at 13:12:15:

In Reply to: A good gun for hunting in .22? posted by Jerry on May 03, 1999 at 17:31:35:

An Air Arms Pro Elite! I have both a Kodiak in .22 and a PE in .22. The PE is not as hold sensitive and is much easier to pack in the bush. The Kodiak is a great hunting gun though.. You have a good hunting gun already.
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Re: Advice on Remington 541-T HB #4822 accuracy. Considering ..

Msg. 108915  Posted by Wade on May 04, 1999 at 13:06:29:

In Reply to: Advice on Remington 541-T HB #4822 accuracy. Considering .. posted by vZc on May 04, 1999 at 12:57:14:

An owner myself, vZc, they are very nice rifles
and I have decided to sell mine. It has a Canjar
set trigger installed, too. E-mail me for details.

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Re: Rangefinding ability of Bamp;L Elite 4200 vs. Leupold 6.5-20X

Msg. 108914  Posted by LOU V.K. on May 04, 1999 at 13:06:23:

In Reply to: Rangefinding ability of Bamp;L Elite 4200 vs. Leupold 6.5-20X posted by David M on May 03, 1999 at 22:44:43:


Critical rangefinding with a riflescope is just a synonym for a very shallow depth of field. This is defined as that very small portion of the picture shown by a telescope which is sharply in focus. This is the product of several physical factors. Magnification,objective lens opening size,quality of all of the various lense sets in the scope,and,the design specifications per the parralax setting,along with the need for an adjustable objective. Because I have not had the oportunity to test the B&L unit in direct comparison with the Leupold,I can't comment on which performs best in this application. Both have their very vocal and convincing advocates.
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AirGun Letter May '99 Tanker Carbine: How loud (in decibels @ some reference high power level) nt.

Msg. 108913  Posted by vZc on May 04, 1999 at 13:03:10:

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Re: Who makes Marksman

Msg. 108912  Posted by daveg on May 04, 1999 at 13:02:59:

In Reply to: Re: Who makes Marksman posted by LOU V.K. on May 03, 1999 at 21:25:02:

Thanx for the info-I went back to look again.
It was a marksman model 70 - .22.No one had
any other info.Thanx for the help anyway.
You guys are great for taking the time to
answer all the questions.

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Advice on Remington 541-T HB #4822 accuracy. Considering ..

Msg. 108911  Posted by vZc on May 04, 1999 at 12:57:14:

In Reply to: Re: What is '' glass bedding '' ? nt. posted by BobF on May 04, 1999 at 11:28:35:

... purchase to isolate air rifle " lock time " personal influence and thru the bore sighting techniques.
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Re: How save are the PCP air cylinders of a Career 707, Theoben Super 7, Styer LG1p, etc.

Msg. 108910  Posted by LOU V.K. on May 04, 1999 at 12:54:45:

In Reply to: How save are the PCP air cylinders of a Career 707, Theoben Super 7, Styer LG1p, etc. posted by RuudE on May 04, 1999 at 11:36:01:


To the best of my uncertain knowledge,the only PCP reservoir to have ruptured was that on the Sport Match GC2 rifle belonging to Tom Walton of Yorkshire,England. He lives to tell of this incident. The GC2 was made with an aluminum alloy reservoir,and the variant that Tom had was set up for 4000 psi reservoir pressure. If others have ruptured,I have yet to hear of them. I have several older PCP rifles and pistols,and,because of my caution,which is the same as yours,I remove the fill valve of each,on an annual basis for a visual inspection. I have no way to hydrostatically test them for excess expansion,while under pressure,but,I guess that I have to just trust them.
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Re: Simmons Deerfield Scopes - Are they O.K. for airguns?

Msg. 108909  Posted by LOU V.K. on May 04, 1999 at 12:45:07:

In Reply to: Simmons Deerfield Scopes - Are they O.K. for airguns? posted by Mike Adams on May 04, 1999 at 01:13:23:


I have only had experience with two Deerfield model scopes,both the 6.5-20X50 target versions. They both held up fine for quite a long time on very smoothly tuned TX 200's,at immediate sub 12FPE energy levels. The factor pertaining to these scopes that makes them questionable for airgun use is the very shallow threading,and,the very few threads on the elevation turret stem. This would indicate a potential for early failure. IMHO,the optics were really good,considering the low price of the units,as was the exceptional range finding. If you intend this scope for a mild recoiling rifle,and,intend to hold over,instead of clicking the elevation turret up and down a lot,I think it will provide yoeman duty for you. The R 1 is a bit harsh,in it's stock state of tune,thus,I am a bit concerned about longevity. I would suggest that you have a master tuner do his thing on your big HW,which will provide a longer service life for any scope,as well as making the rifle much more accurate and pleasant to shoot.
Good luck.
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Re: Simmons Deerfield Scopes - Are they O.K. for airguns?

Msg. 108908  Posted by LOU V.K. on May 04, 1999 at 12:44:23:

In Reply to: Simmons Deerfield Scopes - Are they O.K. for airguns? posted by Mike Adams on May 04, 1999 at 01:13:23:


I have only had experience with two Deerfield model scopes,both the 6.5-20X50 target versions. They both held up fine for quite a long time on very smoothly tuned TX 200's,at immediate sub 12FPE energy levels. The factor pertaining to these scopes that makes them questionable for airgun use is the very shallow threading,and,the very few threads on the elevation turret stem. This would indicate a potential for early failure. IMHO,the optics were really good,considering the low price of the units,as was the exceptional range finding. If you intend this scope for a mild recoiling rifle,and,intend to hold over,instead of clicking the elevation turret up and down a lot,I think it will provide yoeman duty for you. The R 1 is a bit harsh,in it's stock state of tune,thus,I am a bit concerned about longevity. I would suggest that you have a master tuner do his thing on your big HW,which will provide a longer service life for any scope,as well as making the rifle much more accurate and pleasant to shoot.
Good luck.
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Re: Hunting rifles

Msg. 108907  Posted by E Fudd on May 04, 1999 at 12:39:05:

In Reply to: Hunting rifles posted by Mark on May 04, 1999 at 00:54:42:

You'll get more power and better accuracy out of a PCP. A springer is self-contained and quieter. If money and hunting are more important than using an airgun, there is very little an airgun can do that a rimfire can't do better for less money.
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GAMO EXPO 26

Msg. 108906  Posted by Doug on May 04, 1999 at 12:29:22:

Am considering purchasing the 22 caliber version. If you own one or have shot one, what are your impressions??
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Steroid 392

Msg. 108905  Posted by Mac1 on May 04, 1999 at 12:18:06:

In Reply to: Does anyone know if there is a modification to make the Benjamin 392 (.22 cal) faster? posted by John N on May 03, 1999 at 19:46:16:

I go thru the 392's and C series Sheridans to give them the sort of durability and power that will allow them to practically last forever. The only factory components that are not upgraded would be the pump cup and valve orings. These will likely need to be replaced every decade or so. The gun should provide decades of shooting pleasure which makes it quite a value compared to a stocker. A small percentage of discriminating customers are willing to pay twice as much for a gun that is twice as powerful and will last for much longer than even the original C series. The tune is called a Billet/Steroid and it costs $120 including the return transportation. It takes about 4-5 weeks turnaround currently. It includes a trigger job, custom piston, valve, bolt, and lever. The power at 14 pumps is about double factory 8 pump output at around 26 ft. lbs. The steroids are easier to pump until you reach 8 and the guns are also slightly easier to cock as well. I like to think this is how the gun should be made. If you like to buy American iron this would be the Harley Equivalent to a Beull. I'm very proud of this project.

Later

Tim

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Re: SHOOTING IN THE CITY?/ LAWS / WHAT GUN IS BEST FOR ME?

Msg. 108904  Posted by Jerry Rhodes on May 04, 1999 at 12:17:26:

In Reply to: SHOOTING IN THE CITY?/ LAWS / WHAT GUN IS BEST FOR ME? posted by Steven Flannery on April 30, 1999 at 17:34:13:

Steven,

Try this URL and go to the municipality that pertains to you. San Antonio, Leon Valley,
Helotes, Etc.

http://www.municode.com/

I didn't find anything expressly dealing with air guns other than this one. I found a lot of other stuff. If you are going to carry a Buck knife might as well carry a Luger the penalty seems to be the same.

Sec. 21-14.Air gun or spring gun; furnishing to minor.

It shall be unlawful for any person within the city to sell to, or give to, or place in
the possession of, any person under the age of sixteen years, any gun which
discharges a bullet or missile by means of compressed air, or any gun discharging
a bullet or missile by means of a spring.

There is a specific prohibition of bows & arrows and "sling shots". Wrist rockets, Etc.

Read what is available, make discrete inquiries and then make a decision.

Good shooting

Jerry

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Re: How save are the PCP air cylinders of a Career 707, Theoben Super 7, Styer LG1p, etc.

Msg. 108903  Posted by Rusty on May 04, 1999 at 12:16:34:

In Reply to: How save are the PCP air cylinders of a Career 707, Theoben Super 7, Styer LG1p, etc. posted by RuudE on May 04, 1999 at 11:36:01:

The answer to this question should lie at your fingertips if you have one of these guns. Look at the air bottle and see if there is a date stamped on it when you purchased it new. If there is you will have to renew this date every 5 years as you stated. If not there would be no refrence for it. It might be that you could take the air bottle to a place where scuba tanks ARE tested and they might be able to test it for you even though it is not required by law.
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Re: Hunting rifles

Msg. 108902  Posted by Andrew Leung on May 04, 1999 at 12:14:30:

In Reply to: Hunting rifles posted by Mark on May 04, 1999 at 00:54:42:

Just got a Career in less than a few weeks ago and took it hunting....definitely was accurate and powerful with it giving multiple shots. It was relatively light as well to carry.

I was worried about the muzzle noise but with relatively open area, it was not a problem....if it was kinda enclosed, I can adjust the power to less and it will be quite quiet.

I got the standard rifle version.
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I don't think so, buddy!!!

Msg. 108901  Posted by JC Brown on May 04, 1999 at 12:11:45:

In Reply to: posted by A-TEAM-RAY on May 04, 1999 at 11:29:56:

You must have forgotten about Abe, Emil, Werner, Joe & myself - just to name a few who might be after those top spots!!!! And not a Career among us! ;-)

Can't wait to get back on the FT course - 2 months is way too long...

Warning - you guys might want to bring some rain gear, weather as of now looks like we'll squeek in a day or two of good weather for the match between showers, but that timeline may change by then.

see ya there -
JC
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Correction to Joe Korick's e-mail address

Msg. 108900  Posted by The Airgun Letter on May 04, 1999 at 11:41:10:

In Reply to: Re: Regulators posted by The Airgun Letter on May 04, 1999 at 11:04:09:

I just found out that Joe Korick's new e-mail address is joekor@null.null

Edith Gaylord
The Airgun Letter
staff@null.null
http://www.airgunletter.null
http://www.airgunletter.com

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Career 707

Msg. 108899  Posted by Chris Linwood on May 04, 1999 at 11:40:16:

I am thinking of buying a Career 707
here in the UK.
Any comments on quality / performance

how well does the multi-shot mag work?
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How save are the PCP air cylinders of a Career 707, Theoben Super 7, Styer LG1p, etc.

Msg. 108898  Posted by RuudE on May 04, 1999 at 11:36:01:

Does anyone know how often a PCP airbottle/cylinder can be filled safely? A diving bottle should be checkt every 5 year or so for possible problems. How about the aircylinder of a CAREER 707, Theoben Super 7, Steyr LG1P, etc. Are they made to last a lifetime (20 years or more) or is it necessary to replace them after 5 years. Is there somebody out there who heard of exploding PCP airbottles. How save are they. 200 Bar / 3200 PSI is a lot of pressure and can easely kill someone.

Hope to receive some input on this issue.

T.i.a.

RuudE

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"A" Team attendance will attend DIFTA Match this weekend + Career 707 Free Floated Wins DCFS Offhand Field Target match

Msg. 108897  Posted by A-TEAM-RAY on May 04, 1999 at 11:29:56:

This past Saturday The "A" Team attended the Delaware County Field + Stream Field Target Match and the Free Floated Career 707 Took match high for the day. I can honestly say that all missed shots were completely shooter error. Brain Freezes to be precise. This is a Great Match guys, put on by Jim Henry. It is an all off hand match with one shot per target and it goes pretty quickly. There was only one target failure and that was the paddle breaking of off the target from metal fatigue. I didn't pull one string out of the target as I have done in the past. The course has many up hill and down hill shots and is nicely wooded. Anyone that is in driving distance and is not attending is missing a good match with great trophies. They have 2 youth classes (senior 14-17 + junior 13 and under) and they have trophies that are Identical to the adults. Just ask my daughter Rachel. She has been racking up a bunch of them with her precharged SSP250 and Simmons 6-18x40 competition airgun scope. So the possible high was 34 and the Free Floated Career took down 29 of them with the next highest score a 27. It was a windy day but not real bad in the woods. Check out the URL's below

http://www.airpower.com/

http://www.airpower.com/airgunhq.html

http://www.airpower.com/dcfs-fc.htm

http://www.airpower.com/ftnews1198.html

http://www.airpower.com/ft-tour/match99.htm

http://www.airpower.com/ft-tour/trophy.htm

http://www.airpower.com/dcfsmap1.htm


The "A" Team will Attend the DIFTA match this weekend and I am going to shoot the Free Floated Career 707 for the match again. Anyone interested in shooting this rifle or just seeing it and asking questions come on down. It has all of The "A" Team mods so you can feel what your gun could be like. It has the replacement forearm stock we make for ourselves also. Come and try rapid firing it. With the spring kit installed it is a dream. While you are there come on and shoot the match. Careers can rule. Lets see if Careers can take up the first three positions. I know Singsun will be shooting his. Any other takers? Come on, you know there accurate, lets show them just how accurate. Any way come and have fun that's the whole point.

If anyone is looking for something specific give us a call so we can bring it for you. As always, regs in Careers will be installed after the match at no charge.

See ya all there

Ray from ~ The �A� Team
(914-896-9792)
A-TEAM-RAY == > ateamray@null.null



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Re: What is '' glass bedding '' ? nt.

Msg. 108896  Posted by BobF on May 04, 1999 at 11:28:35:

In Reply to: What is '' glass bedding '' ? nt. posted by vZc on May 04, 1999 at 10:42:52:

It's installing epoxy in the receiver area of the stock (after applying release agent to the action) to "mould" the action perfectly to the stock. Much better than trying to get a perfect fit by chiseling wood.
Case in point - I have a Reminton VS in 22-250. Prior to glass bedding it was shooting .75" five shot groups with 3 shots touch and the other 2 forming a separate group. Rifle after bedding shoots to consistent point of impact and groups in the .3's.

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Re: What caliber(s) are you considering? nt

Msg. 108895  Posted by RON on May 04, 1999 at 11:06:14:

In Reply to: What caliber(s) are you considering? nt posted by PAL on May 03, 1999 at 21:42:21:

,22 cal.
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Re: Regulators

Msg. 108894  Posted by The Airgun Letter on May 04, 1999 at 11:04:09:

In Reply to: Regulators posted by GreggR on May 04, 1999 at 08:24:10:

This is how Joe Korick is listed on our Airgun Resources page:

Pneumatic Engineering (Joe Korick in Washington)
Precharge pneumatic specialist. Custom machining and modifications, regulators for all models. Will build from your specs/drawings.
joekor@null.null

Joe asked his business to be listed as stated above. Since most people only know Joe's name and not the name of his business, it makes it more difficult to find him.

I used to have a phone number listed for Joe, but he has moved to another state and the number is no longer valid. I don't know if the e-mail address is still valid. Joe told me before he moved that the e-mail address would not change. Let me know if you are able to contact him. If not, I'll remove his listing from our Web site since no one will have a way to contact him.

In case you're interested, The "A" Team also manufactures and sells regulators. They'll make one to fit your gun, but you'll have to contact them for specifics. The link to our Airgun Rescoures Web page is below and will give you contact info for them in the event you're unable to contact Joe or would just like to see what they have to offer anyway.

Edith Gaylord
The Airgun Letter
staff@null.null
http://www.airgunletter.null
http://www.airgunletter.com

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Re: How dangerous can (using dry ice in place of a powerlet to charge a CO2 pistol) be ?

Msg. 108893  Posted by John Piper on May 04, 1999 at 10:54:41:

In Reply to: How dangerous can this be posted by Raul on May 04, 1999 at 03:29:15:

It difficult to judge the actual amount of risk from using dry ice to charge a pistol, but it isn't a safe practice for a couple of reasons. Without weighing the dry ice and calculating the per cent fill it produces when it sublimes, it's impossible to tell whether the fill will exceed the maximum pressure rating for the gun. Also, using dry ice might over stress the metal in the reservoir by making isolated spots shink and get brittle. Your friend might be able to shoot this ways for years without any problems but I wouldn't want to be close by when he shoots. Even a small load of dry ice generates several hundred pounds of energy when it is enclosed. More than enough to sever a finger or artery if a piece cracks off when the reservoir blows.
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What is '' glass bedding '' ? nt.

Msg. 108892  Posted by vZc on May 04, 1999 at 10:42:52:

In Reply to: Bedding an Airgun? posted by BobF on May 04, 1999 at 09:56:20:

.
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Maccari Tune-up

Msg. 108891  Posted by BW37 on May 04, 1999 at 10:23:33:

I hope to be receiving my new R9 anyday. I was wondering
how to get more information on a Maccari tune. How much
is it and does it really make that much of a difference (I
don't mean to offend anyone by saying that)? Any info would help.
Thanks.
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Bedding an Airgun?

Msg. 108890  Posted by BobF on May 04, 1999 at 09:56:20:

Has anyone ever glass bedded an airgun? I have three very accurate varmint rifles, two bedded by 'smiths and one bedded by me. All shoot extremely well (high .2s and .3s). Would an airgun respond to glass bedding, considering the amount of movement on firing?
Thoughts?
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Re: http://www.beeman.com.au/beetop.htm

Msg. 108889  Posted by W. Edwards on May 04, 1999 at 09:50:02:

In Reply to: http://www.beeman.com.au/beetop.htm (nt) posted by Howard C on May 04, 1999 at 08:40:57:

see link

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Golden Toller, Quackenbush and others now online. Link inside.

Msg. 108888  Posted by The Airgun Letter on May 04, 1999 at 09:48:01:

In Reply to: Golden Toller Guns finally online posted by Russ Best on May 03, 1999 at 21:14:59:

I have made two updates to our Web site last week. The link below will take you to our "What's New" Web page. There you'll find the new links for Golden Toller, Dennis Quackenbush (DAQ) and several others.

Edith Gaylord
The Airgun Letter
staff@null.null
http://www.airgunletter.null
http://www.airgunletter.com

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Airgun Letter May '99 p.7 par4 ''... large downward angle ... small bit of right angle.''

Msg. 108887  Posted by vZc on May 04, 1999 at 09:35:34:

For reference, gimme some numbers (MOA or degrees) please.

Methology suggestions:

Boresight
1)with alignment telescope
2)electronic level & B-Square #17011 adjustable base
3) precision 1 piece mount & 1/8 MOA scope
4) some combination thereof.

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Re: Pellets Pointed vs Wadcutter ?Ouch NT! NONE!

Msg. 108886  Posted by peteR on May 04, 1999 at 09:25:36:

In Reply to: Re: Pellets Pointed vs Wadcutter ?Ouch NT! NONE! posted by RBest on May 03, 1999 at 22:21:31:

Russ,

I gotta Daisy Golden BB in my wrist in 1971 the same way. Return fire was with a McGlashan hooked to a scuba tank..............

I wonder if the City PD still has it? hmmm?
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Re: Hunting stories...

Msg. 108885  Posted by Woodsy on May 04, 1999 at 09:21:19:

In Reply to: Hunting stories... posted by Adam on May 04, 1999 at 03:19:51:

Once shot at a Rabbit,but hit a rock very close to it.
However the rabbit dropped stone dead without even a kick.
I picked the rabbit up, wondering where my lucky shot had
connected in order to despatch it so quickly.
I couldn't find any sign of the rabbit being hit at all.
On doing a quick but careful dissection, the chest cavity
was full of blood.
Possible rabbit aortic aneurism waiting to happen ?-maybe.

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Scopes

Msg. 108884  Posted by Eric Field on May 04, 1999 at 09:03:10:

I have found a Bushnell Banner 4-12x40 for $100 - is this a good price, and is this a decent scope for me to use for a while on an RX-1 in .22 until I can sace up for a Leupold - I will then transfer the Bushnell to a Gamo 440 in .177


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Re: Love that PT!!

Msg. 108883  Posted by JCBrown on May 04, 1999 at 09:02:10:

In Reply to: Re: Love that PT!! posted by Steve Parker on May 03, 1999 at 16:14:45:

Look forward to seeing you then - it's been a while!

Abe, Emil, Werner & myself are heading to Georgia Southern Regionals the weekend of May 22. Airgunning Atlanta supposedly has a bunch of shooters there with PTs. We'll see how mine does against some of it's own kin.

JC

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Re: I did - still don't think I should be the one to pay for shipping ---

Msg. 108882  Posted by Jerry Rhodes on May 04, 1999 at 08:58:36:

In Reply to: I did - still don't think I should be the one to pay for shipping --- posted by William on May 04, 1999 at 01:16:57:

William,

If you are indeed Willian the Tinkerer then the choice is simple. Go to the phone forthwith, Call Sir James and order his GSI kit. You will be glad you didn't spend $30.00 on an OEM spring.

This will let you begin to truly start enjoying the full potential of the RWS 48/52. The difference between stock and JM's kit is amazing. My .25 cal is a completely different gun. I am waiting to get about 1.000 or so rounds through the RWS 48 .22 before I install the kit in it so I can really appreciate the improvement.

Jerry
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A� Team Hans is going on vacation

Msg. 108881  Posted by A� Team Hans is going on vacation on May 04, 1999 at 08:54:00:

It is my turn now to go on vacation; I will leave on 5-11-99 and return on 6-3-99.

Any correspondence or request for our �A� Team e-mail documents should go to Ray. He will answer any and all questions, regarding our product. The e-mail document is filled with information like:

A Team Flier & Technical Info
A team Parallax adj
Career 707 Regulator Instructions
Career Filler Tips
Determining Reg Pressure for non-Careers
Generic Regulator Instructions
Harrier with new reg - Jan 99 Earl Brooks
Recommendations of the A team
The A Team Warranty
A Team e-mail photos

The documents are constantly update, if you did not get the latest 4-14-99, give Ray a call or e-mail him for it, he will be glad to e-mail the documents or talk to you.

BTW; The �A� Team will be at the DIFTA match on 5-8-99 this coming weekend.

Ray & Hans ~ The "A" Team
(914-896-9792 or 914-277-4309)
A-TEAM-RAY == > ateamray@null.null
A-TEAM-HANS == > ateamh@null.null



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http://www.beeman.com.au/beetop.htm (nt)

Msg. 108880  Posted by Howard C on May 04, 1999 at 08:40:57:

In Reply to: I need help! posted by X on May 04, 1999 at 06:05:31:

nt
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Re: It's Magic

Msg. 108879  Posted by DonC on May 04, 1999 at 08:35:40:

In Reply to: It's Magic posted by Dick Thomas-Premier Reticles on May 03, 1999 at 18:11:19:

I understand your explanation of field of view. I have another question please. The paper target be observed thru both scopes had words printed on it and I could just barely read the words in both scopes. They appeared the same. Wouldn't the words at 50X have been larger? What we saw in both scopes was almost identical. Confused???
Don
Don't get me wrong, I think this sidewheel is spectacular!

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Thanks Paul. nt

Msg. 108878  Posted by Bill S. on May 04, 1999 at 08:34:27:

In Reply to: Re: Counting clicks on a TX 200 posted by Paul Watts on May 04, 1999 at 00:06:53:


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Regulators

Msg. 108877  Posted by GreggR on May 04, 1999 at 08:24:10:

I'm looking for Koric regulator in the Airgun Resource file for a replacement for my 'oringinal' CR-94 reg.,but I don't seem to find him. Is he still making regs. I also heard the A-team can make regs.(I have one from them in my 20cal. 707). Does anyone know where I can reach Koric. Thanks, GreggR
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Re: New RWS ----my experience with two 48s.Broken springs.

Msg. 108876  Posted by Alan on May 04, 1999 at 07:52:46:

In Reply to: New RWS took a dump ! HELP ! posted by William on May 02, 1999 at 15:38:28:

The two 48s I've broke down had springs broken about 3/4" from the ends. No way to know what did it as they were used guns, but I don't think they had more than about 1500 shots at most. One or two dry fires are always possible as most will not admit it if they did! Response from Tim at RWS was very quick and satisfactory. I put the inexpensive factory springs back in expecting short life because I wanted that 1135fps I got. I only shot a hand full of light pellets as it is entertaining to get a sonic crack from a pellet rifle. I would definatly get a Maccari spring for the long run if I still had these guns. There is one thing you must remember when buying any gun, if they all came with top of the line match barrels, special alloy cnc made springs,etc., the manufacturer would have to sell at a good bit higher price, sell less guns,go out of business, and then your choice of guns(air or powder) would be slim or non existant. I bought a brand new Ruger centerfire bolt rifle Saturday and immediatly pulled the barrel off yesterday to replace it with an aftermarket barrel of higher cost for my higher expectations. Am I upset that the Ruger cost $400?. NO. I'm glad I could buy the base rifle for my project. The rifle as the way it came would satisfy 99% of buyers. I just wanted to 'customize' it a little, and am very glad that the base rifle is available! No complaints, Alan.
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Re: While we're talking about the 2289...

Msg. 108875  Posted by MR Bulk� on May 04, 1999 at 07:41:05:

In Reply to: While we're talking about the 2289... posted by Benoit Landry on May 04, 1999 at 06:55:08:

Like anything there is a balance point between propulsive force and barrel length. Could try gradually longer barrels shot over a chrono and stop at last length tested when velocities begin dropping. Also when you do find that point (presuming you are shooting with a fully pumped-up gun), any less number pumps will be worked against by the longer barrel. You'd Always have to shoot at max pumps. I know that with CO2 at least, there is a general gain of 15 fps per additional inch of barrel, but only up to a point, after which the velocity starts slowing down.

MR Bulk�


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Leupold #49801 is accurate: when I dial in a known range, targt is focused. nt

Msg. 108874  Posted by vZc on May 04, 1999 at 07:36:52:

In Reply to: Rangefinding ability of Bamp;L Elite 4200 vs. Leupold 6.5-20X posted by David M on May 03, 1999 at 22:44:43:

.
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Re: Hunting stories...RATS

Msg. 108873  Posted by Alan on May 04, 1999 at 07:23:28:

In Reply to: Hunting stories... posted by Adam on May 04, 1999 at 03:19:51:

I'm an exterminator. Visited grocery store during day. Road behind store had 50# bag of dogfood squashed by truck. Rats coming from Kudzu covered bank. Came back at 10pm that evening with red filtered light,thermos of coffee, and Sheridan 5mm rifle, scoped. Rats run from Kudzu(weeds) quickly across 18 feet of access road to hide under dumpster. Solution, glob of peanut butter in middle of road. Rat runs quickly across road to under dumpster,thinks"what was that I smelled as I ran across that unprotected road?" Slowly crawls back out sniffing way back to pile of 'Jif'. 5mm intersects. Dead rat(s). Lung shots all the way through did not stop rats. Head shots were only way. Ammo--old style Bantam pellets. Wish I had crow mags back then. Coffee was good. Alan
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Re: How dangerous can this be

Msg. 108872  Posted by Alan on May 04, 1999 at 07:14:50:

In Reply to: How dangerous can this be posted by Raul on May 04, 1999 at 03:29:15:

He could get frost bite on his fingers! Or, he needs to be sure to not let gun get 'sun warmed, or hot' if he is in effect loading over a 70% fill in gun. In a closed environment, liquid CO2 pressure can skyrocket if warmed much above 80 degrees. Powerlets have a 70% fill. Other than that, his practise is ok. Alan
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While we're talking about the 2289...

Msg. 108871  Posted by Benoit Landry on May 04, 1999 at 06:55:08:

In Reply to: On the Crosman 2289g and Benjamin Sheridan Diablo pellets; Ignorance is bliss! posted by ProfHoff on May 03, 1999 at 22:42:03:

I've thought about replacing the 2289's 14-inch barrel with the 24-incher from the 2260. In theory it would work, and should give a good increase in power, but what I'mworried about is that the gun wasn't actallu designed for use with a longer barrel, and that there wouldn't be enough air to accelerate the pellet through 24 inches of barrel resulting in the pellet slowing down before exiting the barrel. Any opinions?

Thanks

Benoit
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I mount a beeman 1.5X15 pistolscope in the front portion of the barrel, and use Crosman pramier pellet, work the same.

Msg. 108870  Posted by Harry Chu on May 04, 1999 at 06:53:49:

In Reply to: On the Crosman 2289g and Benjamin Sheridan Diablo pellets; Ignorance is bliss! posted by ProfHoff on May 03, 1999 at 22:42:03:

.
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times like this, I wish I were retired or single or both NT

Msg. 108869  Posted by jj on May 04, 1999 at 06:52:59:

In Reply to: Preliminary poll � Who is ready for some high stakes serious Field Target action? posted by Dave Franey on May 03, 1999 at 11:25:28:

;^)
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Re: Our airgun match schedule for 1999

Msg. 108868  Posted by Anthony Storey on May 04, 1999 at 06:39:56:

In Reply to: Re: Our airgun match schedule for 1999 posted by DS on May 04, 1999 at 05:40:44:

Give me time we may work a big bore match in with our Long Range shoot,it would be great for the spectators too!
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Re: Hunting stories...

Msg. 108867  Posted by ToddN on May 04, 1999 at 06:13:56:

In Reply to: Hunting stories... posted by Adam on May 04, 1999 at 03:19:51:

I was 'hunting' rats once, (squatted in the corner
of a dark, dusty, rat [and reptile]-occupied building
and having a great time!) when a sound from somewhere
immediately behind me had me leaping to my feet in a skipped
heartbeat! It was the unmistakeable sound of a
snake's raspy hissing and I turned the flashlight on
the spot where I'd just been sitting, half expecting
to see one Africa's deadliest creatures poised and ready
to strike. With my heart recieving a thorough
aerobic workout, I was relieved not to see a snake
and moved in for a closer look. Slowly did it,
and what I saw next was a huge relief.
I'd been sitting on a sack of granulated something
or other, and there its contents were, pouring out
a small hole onto the floor, and sounding very much like
an angry Mamba ready to strike me dead. I was only
to happy to plop back down... and keep watching for RATS!

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I need help!

Msg. 108866  Posted by X on May 04, 1999 at 06:05:31:

I need help. i would like 2 buy a bb gun or air rifle in australia. if any one can help i would be very grateful.

Thanx
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bsa super 10

Msg. 108865  Posted by Tim Baker on May 04, 1999 at 05:47:37:

how would a bsa super 10 work out for field target? does any one use one of those for f.t.?
any owners have opinions? tia, tb
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Re: Our airgun match schedule for 1999

Msg. 108864  Posted by DS on May 04, 1999 at 05:40:44:

In Reply to: Our airgun match schedule for 1999 posted by Anthony Storey on May 03, 1999 at 20:56:26:

Anthony, I don't see any big-bore competition. Dave
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FWB 65

Msg. 108863  Posted by G. Drachsler on May 04, 1999 at 04:46:49:

I just aquired an used FWB Model 65. I looks like after considerable use, but if performed
exceptionally on the range. What's the life of these pistols?

Where can I find info on maintanancing, oiling, cleaning and adjusting it. Are spare parts
available?

Giora Drachsler
Jerusalem, Israel
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Marksman 1215 pellets....

Msg. 108862  Posted by Steve B. on May 04, 1999 at 04:15:31:

An associate gave me a tin of Marksman pellets marked Model 1215. As usuall any useful information about these pellets is conspicously absent from the tin. Does anyone know what these things weigh? They look like Beeman Bearcubs (@ 8.9).

TIA - Steve B.
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Krug's Hunter Haven's e-mail is out

Msg. 108861  Posted by Larry on May 04, 1999 at 03:33:31:

Talked to Bob today, his computer is in for service, it will be out for about two weeks, you can contact him at 414-246-3432
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How dangerous can this be

Msg. 108860  Posted by Raul on May 04, 1999 at 03:29:15:


I have a friend who bought an old crosman Mark II single shot pistol. As many of you know the gun has a removable cap at the bottom of the grip where a co2 gas cilinder is inserted. My friend doesn�t use these co2 cilinders. He usually goes downtown and buys a 7 lb block of solid co2. Once in the field, he cuts a small piece of this block, he grinds it with his knife and puts it into the gas cilinder well. Finally, he screws the cap back in its place and waits for about 5 minutes. The gun shoots much faster than when used with the gas cilinders. However, I dont feel very comfortable when he is shooting next to me.
How dangerous can this be?

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Re: Hunting rifles

Msg. 108858  Posted by Mark Lemm on May 04, 1999 at 03:23:31:

In Reply to: Hunting rifles posted by Mark on May 04, 1999 at 00:54:42:

Mark (great name by the way) what are you after in a hunting rifle? I've just ordered (8 weeks ago still waiting) a custom .20 R9 from JM for my hunting rifle because I wanted a light weight powerful rifle that was easy to cock.

The CM III is a great rifle but it takes 60lbs of effort to cock and could get heavy to carry around all day. Do you really need 30 ft/lbs or more to kill your quarry? Most airgun game (squirrels, birds, rabbits, etc) doesn't need that kind of power to kill it so that's why I didn't get a 30 ft/lb gun. My airgun hunting range is 60 yards or less if I want to go out past that I'll use my .22 rifle but that's just me.

I don't like PCP because they are expensive and in my mind a pain to maintain plus loud. If I need that kind of power once again I'll use a .22. One of the best PCP's IMHO is the BSA SuperTen if you really wanted to go that way. I like springers becasue they are easy to load and you always carry the same amount of power with you unlike PCP's where it keeps diminishing until you have to recharge.

The CM III is great but for the money I think a carbine .22 R1 with gas ram is a better choice for a hunting rifle. You get 21 to 23 ft/lbs which is plenty of power, ligher weight due to the carbine length, and less cocking effort than a CM III. If you want a nice looking stock go for the Laser version which looks cool. Also if you realy want a hunting rifle I would go for .22 instead of .20 you get better knockdown power and a better choice of pellets.

Ok I'll shut up now I hope I've helped a little. Good luck with your decision.

-Mark Lemm
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Hunting stories...

Msg. 108857  Posted by Adam on May 04, 1999 at 03:19:51:

Any one care to share their hunting stories with my, no matter what game.
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Re: Hunting rifles

Msg. 108856  Posted by Adam on May 04, 1999 at 03:08:44:

In Reply to: Hunting rifles posted by Mark on May 04, 1999 at 00:54:42:

I would suggest a daystate rifle. I own one and I hunt very often with it, and I am quite sucessful. If you don't want a PCP gun, I suggest an underlever or breakbarrel weapon. If you can get your hands on a daystate go for it. (I have a brand new Daystate Mirage from Airguns of Arizona, and it performs beautifully)

-Adam

(P.S.- here is their website)

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Re: What gun brings back the memories for you?

Msg. 108855  Posted by Adam on May 04, 1999 at 03:03:48:

In Reply to: What gun brings back the memories for you? posted by jrk on April 30, 1999 at 15:40:54:

I recieved a Daisy Powerline 856 from my dad when I was 7. The gun has lasted for about 8yrs. until it constantly broke, I killed my first bird with it.
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See R-9 post at the top of the page. Regards, Bill [nt]

Msg. 108854  Posted by Burris on May 04, 1999 at 02:07:29:

In Reply to: 22 R9 -Has anybody done this and chronographed it?(NT) posted by Alan on May 02, 1999 at 14:36:05:

8
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Re: Career 707

Msg. 108853  Posted by Jim C. on May 04, 1999 at 01:55:45:

In Reply to: Re: Career 707 posted by Geoff.R.C. on May 03, 1999 at 18:51:45:

Thanks Geoff, I am familiar with Mighty Joe Young and his magic
moderators. They do work VERY well. Joe is also a real nice guy
to do business with. Did you have a regulator installed?.
Thanks, Jim C.
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Re: Hey Russ .20 cal R-9 velocities

Msg. 108852  Posted by Burris on May 04, 1999 at 01:55:20:

In Reply to: Re: Hey Russ .20 cal R-9 velocities posted by RBest on May 03, 1999 at 23:54:34:

This R-9 i just got from Beemans must be a good one! I am getting: Kodiak-737fps, Ramjet-790fps, Silverbear-870fps, Sheridan diablo[look JUST like Premeirs-hmmm!]-732fps. Maybe I should keep this on after the testing. Whada ya think? Regards, Bill
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What he said.

Msg. 108851  Posted by Jim C. on May 04, 1999 at 01:47:43:

In Reply to: Re: RWS Model 54 posted by edgemont on May 03, 1999 at 17:56:53:

The 54 is really accurate. I like the fact that I
can rest it on almost anything and it still shoots accurately.
My gun is .22 and I have the Trophy 6x18 on it. It's a good match.
KInda heavy to tote around, but that's why they invented slings right?.
Good luck,
Jim C.
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BSA 2x7 A.O. for $59.97.

Msg. 108850  Posted by Burris on May 04, 1999 at 01:42:08:

In Reply to: Can't Buy Scope I Want ! posted by Eric Field on May 03, 1999 at 09:48:25:

Eric, an outfit called the "Sportsman's Guide" has BSA airgun scopes in 2x7 A.O. for $59.97 or 4x for $49.97. Toll free order line is: 1-800-888-3006. Regards, Bill
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I did - still don't think I should be the one to pay for shipping ---

Msg. 108849  Posted by William on May 04, 1999 at 01:16:57:

In Reply to: Re: Thanks for all the info guys - here is my next step posted by Jerry Rhodes on May 03, 1999 at 20:43:04:

I called Airgun Express they told me I needed to send it in.
Yes they would fix it. No charge.
However at this point why would I want to spend
$30 + to send in a gun that only worked 2 weeks with
only 200 pellets down the tube ???
RWS has not replied as of yet.
I told them I had no problem fix'n it myself.
( I know it will not be easy )
Dang when I put equipment in that fails I fix it!
I can understand things happen.
Well like I said I will have to see what happens
next.


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Re: Hey, JC?

Msg. 108848  Posted by Steve Parker on May 04, 1999 at 01:16:54:

In Reply to: Re: Hey, JC? posted by Bill Merrell on May 03, 1999 at 23:52:31:


Bill: I'm not too familiar with BRV rules, but if you're not limited to using match pellets, you should try 7.9 gr. Premiers (lubed - Slick 50 One Lube is my choice). HTH
Steve
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Simmons Deerfield Scopes - Are they O.K. for airguns?

Msg. 108847  Posted by Mike Adams on May 04, 1999 at 01:13:23:

I'm looking for a decent, although not too expensive, scope for my R-1. A local retailer has a Simmons 3x9x40 #8PTR3940 for about $ 50.00. I've seen advertising that the Deerfield line is waterproof, fogproof, and shockproof. Would it be suitable for air rifle use? Thanks
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It all depends on power and the target

Msg. 108846  Posted by E Fudd on May 04, 1999 at 01:01:39:

In Reply to: Pellets Pointed vs Wadcutter ? posted by George on May 03, 1999 at 02:09:59:

If you are shooting a powerful air rifle wadcutters or hollowpoints are great up close. If you're hunting with an airpistol, you'll need all the p.nullration you can get so go with pointed pellets. The bigger the game the harder it is to get good p.nullration, so don't use wadcutters for raccoons. Generally round nose pellets are a good compromise.
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Hunting rifles

Msg. 108845  Posted by Mark on May 04, 1999 at 00:54:42:

For a while now Ive had my sights set on buying the Crow Magnum 20cal from Beeman, But the more I read forums, the more difficult it becomes to make that dicission.
So many Rifles and so many opinions are talked about, that I dont know if its worth the money to get this rifle.
I would like to know how this rifle compares to some of the others, Career 707, Daystate harrier. Are the PCP rifles
better than the gas piston? How about power wise and repeatability as far as accuracy.
Would I be making a mistake buying the Crow magnum ?
Id like to see your comments.
Thanks

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Re: Beeman Customer Service Email

Msg. 108844  Posted by Jay on May 04, 1999 at 00:51:11:

In Reply to: Beeman Customer Service Email posted by MikeZ on May 04, 1999 at 00:27:07:

Mike,

Try Dani at:

daninav@null.null

HTH

Jay


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Re: BENJAMIN 397----OR---BSA SUPERSPORT

Msg. 108843  Posted by Burris on May 04, 1999 at 00:42:55:

In Reply to: Re: BENJAMIN 397----OR---BSA SUPERSPORT posted by RBest on May 04, 1999 at 00:10:00:

Russ, yeah, it's a real sweetheart. Can't says I care for the plastic sighting equipment, but what do you expect for this price point, right? I am also going to test a BeemanR-9 "goldfinger", That Steve Gibbons was nice enough to send me, and an RWS-46 from Cabelas, and a Supermax 1000[with all the latest improvements] Fro IAR. The culmination of the test is going to be a rabbit hunt/BBQ on my pals ranch. LD is going to come down and help shoot/eat the rabbits. Got any suggestions for a good middle-weight pellet for the Supermax? What shoots good in yours? Regards, Bill
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Re: Counting clicks on a TX 200

Msg. 108842  Posted by Jay on May 04, 1999 at 00:41:04:

In Reply to: Counting clicks on a TX 200 posted by Bill S. on May 03, 1999 at 21:25:27:

Bill,

If you remember your HS trig, measure the angle of the cocking stroke - Mk2 is 115 degrees, Mk3-5 are 135 degrees.

Jay
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Re: Thanks, Bob, I will keep that in mind, N/T

Msg. 108841  Posted by Jim Baumann on May 04, 1999 at 00:35:07:

In Reply to: Re: Be careful with ultrasonic units posted by Bob W. on May 03, 1999 at 20:52:28:



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Valiente, LD and other good quality CO2 rifles

Msg. 108840  Posted by Ric in AZ on May 04, 1999 at 00:34:27:

How much does one of these guns cost new? Are they worth it? Is the performance good enough to hunt out to 45 yds or so? Any other recommendations in this price range? Thanks
Ric
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Benjamin Scope Mounts

Msg. 108839  Posted by Rusty on May 04, 1999 at 00:32:44:

Does anyone know where i can buy the scope mounts for a Benjamin 392?
Thanks
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Beeman Customer Service Email

Msg. 108838  Posted by MikeZ on May 04, 1999 at 00:27:07:

Anyone know if Beeman has an email address that I can use to get in touch with customer service? TIA, MikeZ
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Re: R9 TK in field target tune

Msg. 108837  Posted by JW on May 04, 1999 at 00:21:01:

In Reply to: R9 TK in field target tune posted by Eric Helfrich on May 03, 1999 at 22:05:20:

Sounds like my next gun is gonna be a TK...
Johnny
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Re: BENJAMIN 397----OR---BSA SUPERSPORT

Msg. 108836  Posted by RBest on May 04, 1999 at 00:10:00:

In Reply to: Re: BENJAMIN 397----OR---BSA SUPERSPORT posted by Burris on May 03, 1999 at 23:49:56:

Bill: watched old Quigley recently. You sure got that right. I keep saying the SS is a cool little airgun for the money. Glad you finally got to shoot one. Regards, Russ
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Re: Counting clicks on a TX 200

Msg. 108835  Posted by Paul Watts on May 04, 1999 at 00:06:53:

In Reply to: Re: Counting clicks on a TX 200 posted by Bill S. on May 03, 1999 at 23:29:18:

You've got a MK2 Bill.

Paul Watts

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I don't collect horns.........

Msg. 108834  Posted by Ron B on May 04, 1999 at 00:06:06:

In Reply to: Re: Trophy preservation.............. posted by RBest on May 03, 1999 at 23:57:50:

I only keep the feet.

Hell of a nice Thunder storm here. Sky looks like daylight at times.

I think I'd better shut down for the night.

Ron

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Re: Trophy preservation..............

Msg. 108832  Posted by RBest on May 03, 1999 at 23:57:50:

In Reply to: Trophy preservation.............. posted by Ron B on May 03, 1999 at 23:51:24:

Ron: you be careful too. The Space Shuttle may attract undue attention. Boy-- you maust have a HUGE trophy room! RB
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Re: Hey Russ .20 cal R-9 velocities

Msg. 108831  Posted by RBest on May 03, 1999 at 23:54:34:

In Reply to: Hey Russ posted by Billy on May 03, 1999 at 23:44:29:

Here it is. ( Had to go ck my notes again)
Before tune---------- after tune( Tarantula)
Ramjets--740 fps.......... now 820 fps
Kodiaks--650 fps...........now 739 fps
Premiers--650 fps..........now 735 fps
I haven't tried Silver Bears yet, but I expect about 875 fps now. It used to be 800 on the nose. Regards, Russ
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Re: Hey, JC?

Msg. 108830  Posted by Bill Merrell on May 03, 1999 at 23:52:31:

In Reply to: Re: Hey, JC? posted by Steve Parker on May 03, 1999 at 23:07:11:

Steve: I am using Nygord world chamion pellets now. I have tried Finale Match and RWS R10. There does not seem to be much difference. When I first started shooting the rifle it was set up at 745 fps with Baracuda Match 10.5 gr. At that time BR-50 was shooting at 25 yds. The rifle shot very well with that combination. When the rules were changed I dropped the velosity to 595 fps with 8 gr. pellets. That is when I developed the fliers. Bill

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Trophy preservation..............

Msg. 108829  Posted by Ron B on May 03, 1999 at 23:51:24:

In Reply to: Re: YUGO, hopefully with grill posted by RBest on May 03, 1999 at 23:42:13:

Russ,
Be careful with the chrome. Altered mounts are not considered for B&C (Bull & Caca) records.

The preserved trophy might be a new record for airguns. IE; untill I get the Woodpecker gun built and bag a Space shuttle!

Ron
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Re: BENJAMIN 397----OR---BSA SUPERSPORT

Msg. 108828  Posted by Burris on May 03, 1999 at 23:49:56:

In Reply to: BENJAMIN 397----OR---BSA SUPERSPORT posted by bob on May 03, 1999 at 02:47:44:

Bob, I just received a Supersport in .22 for evaluation, and have to say that it is one of the smoothest magnum class spring guns I have EVER shot. All i can feel is a quick little jolt, gone before you know it happened[almost!]. I don't even notice spring torque, which is surprising for a springer in this price class. At 10m, it stuck 5 pellets in one ragged .30 hole. This after a 20 shot break-in. Yes, I do plan to break it in properly, but wanted to get an AS-NEW baseline for future reference. I know you are kinda stuck on .177, but 16+ foot/pounds is nothing to sneeze at. Besides, it is my humble opinion that this stuff about "Flat-Shootin" pellets is more hype than an actual problem. Sure a .177 at 850fps[NORMAL weight pellets!] is a little flatter shooting than a .22 at 700fps, but you have to learn trajectories for either one so why not learn with the one with more "Thump"! You can't tell me you did'nt love the movie"Quigley down under"! It may take a 500+gr. bullet longer to get there, but there is no mistaking it's arrival! Just an observation. Regards, Bill
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A man after my own heart! We even use the same gun! (NT)

Msg. 108827  Posted by Harry on May 03, 1999 at 23:48:09:

In Reply to: On the Crosman 2289g and Benjamin Sheridan Diablo pellets; Ignorance is bliss! posted by ProfHoff on May 03, 1999 at 22:42:03:

nt
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Re: Anthony ?????

Msg. 108826  Posted by Anthony Storey on May 03, 1999 at 23:47:22:

In Reply to: Re: Anthony ????? posted by H. Todd on May 03, 1999 at 23:08:59:

Hi Hawley I have had more than 40 of the 44mags(6.5x20) pass thru my hands since they became available.I do not know why yours will not close focus.I will be more than happy to take a look at one of them for you if you wish,and try to figure the mystery out.Are all of yours produced in the same country? Do they look like they have been apart?I am on a different.nullwork tonight you can e me at my scopes address,I can get back to you in the morning.
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Re: Quality Recoilless Youth Airguns

Msg. 108825  Posted by jcbii on May 03, 1999 at 23:44:39:

In Reply to: Quality Recoilless Youth Airguns posted by Bob Mohs on May 03, 1999 at 14:25:35:

I don't know how young the children your talking about are, but you might consider the Marksman Model 1790 Biathlon Trainer. It requires 16lbs of cocking effort, so may not be what your looking for if the kids are very young. But if they are older, this might be the airgun you are looking for, as it has been advertised as a training rifle for youths.
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Hey Russ

Msg. 108824  Posted by Billy on May 03, 1999 at 23:44:29:

I know you've posted before, but I forget what your R9 in 20 shot after you tuned it.
Billy
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I have RWS-6M for sale

Msg. 108823  Posted by Vlad on May 03, 1999 at 23:42:17:

In Reply to: Target pistol recommendations? posted by Wade Leftwich on May 03, 1999 at 10:48:19:

I have a RWS-6M in excellent condition in original box with papers. Also have an optional scope rail for it.
Asking $280. If interested reply to vlad@null.null
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Re: YUGO, hopefully with grill

Msg. 108822  Posted by RBest on May 03, 1999 at 23:42:13:

In Reply to: YUGO, hopefully with grill.....nt posted by Ron B on May 03, 1999 at 23:13:23:

Sure! it's at the bodysh-- er ah Taxidermist now. Also having the (roof)rack chromed! RB
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Hats off to Leupold

Msg. 108821  Posted by Bill S. on May 03, 1999 at 23:40:43:

Received my Leupold 3-9 scope back from them a few days ago. I had sent it in because of a rattle in the power adjustment ring area. They also reset the parallax for 35 yards per my request and installed a better front lens. Nice to have folks that will stand behind their products like that.
Bill S.
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Re: Counting clicks on a TX 200

Msg. 108820  Posted by RBest on May 03, 1999 at 23:39:26:

In Reply to: Re: Counting clicks on a TX 200 posted by Bill S. on May 03, 1999 at 23:13:49:

Will do Bill. It's pouring outside right now and I only have one phonebook left! heh heh Russ
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Re: BENJAMIN 397----OR---BSA SUPERSPORT--decisions decisions

Msg. 108819  Posted by Rusty on May 03, 1999 at 23:38:05:

In Reply to: Re: BENJAMIN 397----OR---BSA SUPERSPORT--decisions decisions posted by Steven Flannery on May 03, 1999 at 16:57:02:

It all depends on the amount of effort you are willing to expend to shoot. The 392 takes more pumps to shoot. After my trip to the range to, though I stay with the Benjamin.
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Re: Real Supersport Vel.

Msg. 108818  Posted by Burris on May 03, 1999 at 23:32:05:

In Reply to: Real Supersport Vel. posted by Rusty on May 03, 1999 at 22:38:07:

Rusty, you did'nt specify which pellet and weight you were using. I just received a .22 Supersport to test for an upcomming magazine article [I'll also be testing a Beeman R-9, an Rws-46, and a supermax. All .22 except the Supermax.], and here are the preliminary velocity figures for the following four pellets: Crosman flathead 14.3gr.=670fps/ Beeman Silverbear hollowpoint 12.6gr.=740fps/ Rws Superdome 14.5gr.=695fps/ Crosman round/domehead[non-Premier] 14.3gr.=730fps. Now, I would'nt say that these results are the last word, but this is what I got. These figures are for a stock gun right out of the box. There were no obvious signs of excessive diesling, and the spread between high and low was about 15-20fps, so it was fairly consistant for a new gun. Correction on the R-9, it's in .20". Interestingly, the R-9 with 14.3gr Sheridan roundheads is showing 732fps. Same basic energy level, but should do better at distance due to a theoreticaly better Ballistic Coefficient. Hope this helps. Regards, Bill
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Re: Counting clicks on a TX 200

Msg. 108816  Posted by Bill S. on May 03, 1999 at 23:29:18:

In Reply to: Re: Counting clicks on a TX 200 posted by H. Todd on May 03, 1999 at 23:13:20:

I believe the MK 3 had a slightly longer stroke with 2 more anti-beartrap grooves ground into the cylinder. I was trying to figure out whether my TX was a MK 2 or 3. Check out Paul W's web page with his model variation info. tks, Bill
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Re: It's Magic

Msg. 108815  Posted by gmrozak on May 03, 1999 at 23:14:08:

In Reply to: It's Magic posted by Dick Thomas-Premier Reticles on May 03, 1999 at 18:11:19:

Thank's Dick, It was mine and your scope in the test. GreggR
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Re: Counting clicks on a TX 200

Msg. 108814  Posted by Bill S. on May 03, 1999 at 23:13:49:

In Reply to: Re: Counting clicks on a TX 200 posted by RBest on May 03, 1999 at 22:53:44:

Correct. The ratchet is on the right. If you think about it next time count 'em fer me. tks, Bill

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YUGO, hopefully with grill.....nt

Msg. 108813  Posted by Ron B on May 03, 1999 at 23:13:23:

In Reply to: Ron-- what clip? nt posted by RBest on May 03, 1999 at 22:47:19:


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Re: Counting clicks on a TX 200

Msg. 108812  Posted by H. Todd on May 03, 1999 at 23:13:20:

In Reply to: Re: Counting clicks on a TX 200 posted by RBest on May 03, 1999 at 22:53:44:

Guys I may be stupid but MK ll - lV are all Jim's creations using the AA MK ll. A MK V is an AA MK lll. So your question of MK ll or MK lV is not to the point since in reality all are MK ll. Opps they do have JM variations thrown in but not Air Arms.

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Re: Anthony ?????

Msg. 108811  Posted by H. Todd on May 03, 1999 at 23:08:59:

In Reply to: Anthony ????? posted by H. Todd on May 03, 1999 at 23:06:04:


Anthony, I have several of these scopes that do not focus to 10 M. What is the scoop? Are mine unique? I agree on target turrets as the way to go. Your custom scopes were much better and would focus at much closer ranges.
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Re: Hmmmmmmmm......Do you suppose?????????

Msg. 108810  Posted by RBest on May 03, 1999 at 23:07:59:

In Reply to: Hmmmmmmmm......Do you suppose????????? posted by Jerry Rhodes on May 03, 1999 at 22:47:22:

OK. Mierda. I don't get enough practice using that word. Maybe I'll count mierda's as I rack out tonite( bleeccchh!) Pick off any tunas today? Russ
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Re: Hey, JC?

Msg. 108809  Posted by Steve Parker on May 03, 1999 at 23:07:11:

In Reply to: Re: Hey, JC? posted by Bill Merrell on May 03, 1999 at 22:37:07:


Bill: My RN was set for 12 ft lbs. I never had the opportunity to test it at any distance other than 17 yds. At that distance, it would stack the pellets one on top of the other. The PT is incredibly accurate. Haven't benched it yet, but during an informal plinking session, nothing the size of a dime (actually 1/2" pasters) was safe out to around 35+ yards. Sorry that I can't give you a better comparison. What pellets are you using?
Steve
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Anthony ?????

Msg. 108808  Posted by H. Todd on May 03, 1999 at 23:06:04:

In Reply to: Re: Simmons 44 Mag (Anthony) one more thing posted by Anthony on May 03, 1999 at 22:14:24:



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Oh ! Hi Steve!

Msg. 108807  Posted by RBest on May 03, 1999 at 23:04:18:

In Reply to: Re: Love that PT!! posted by Steve Parker on May 03, 1999 at 22:32:55:

Geez-- didn't know you were lurking. heh heh. Soooo-- you think you'll keep this one 'til the next full moon? :>) Russ
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Where can I get more clips?

Msg. 108806  Posted by Ross on May 03, 1999 at 23:02:21:

In Reply to: Re: Nickel C40? posted by TM on May 03, 1999 at 18:19:45:

If I choose not to buy the kit with the three extra clips, then where can I find additional clips? I heard they were really cheap.

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Re: SILENCER FOR BENJAMIN 22

Msg. 108804  Posted by Rusty on May 03, 1999 at 23:00:26:

In Reply to: Re: SILENCER FOR BENJAMIN 22 posted by RBest on May 03, 1999 at 21:46:33:

IMHO the noise pumping the 392 is as offensive as the noise of the shot itself. I usually only use 5 pumps for most of my target shooting and find that to be very quiet and accurate.
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Re: Counting clicks on a TX 200

Msg. 108802  Posted by RBest on May 03, 1999 at 22:53:44:

In Reply to: Re: Counting clicks on a TX 200 posted by Bill S. on May 03, 1999 at 22:43:37:

Bill: I get you now. I've never seen a LH TX. What you're saying is that the antibeartrap ratchet is still on the right, while the loading port is left. When hunting, I often hold the ABT button down to cock silently. I release it prior to loading. Regards, Russ
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Hmmmmmmmm......Do you suppose?????????

Msg. 108801  Posted by Jerry Rhodes on May 03, 1999 at 22:47:22:

In Reply to: Re: Bravo Russ II posted by RBest on May 03, 1999 at 19:42:24:

Russ,

Do you suppose that Dietrich is now adding to his laurels as the absolute authority on barrel crowning with his absolute knowledge of the nature of steel springs? And posting under an assumed name? Oh by the way the word is mierda, mierda, mierda. Got that? SA's first diatribe reminded me that you tend to misspell the word.

Jerry


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Ron-- what clip? nt

Msg. 108800  Posted by RBest on May 03, 1999 at 22:47:19:

In Reply to: Mierida posted by Ron B on May 03, 1999 at 22:30:11:

nt
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Rangefinding ability of Bamp;L Elite 4200 vs. Leupold 6.5-20X

Msg. 108799  Posted by David M on May 03, 1999 at 22:44:43:

I recently purchased a TX200 MKV and am planning to put a good quality scope on it for field target use. I've narrowed my selections to the Elite 4200 6-24X or the Leupold 6.5-20X. I know that the Leupold is a better quality scope overall, but how does its range finding ability compare to the Elite? I would think the Elite can range find more accurately since it offers higher magnification, but I'm just speculating. Is range finding strictly a function of the magnification, or are there other factors involved. Thanks for your help. David M.
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Re: Counting clicks on a TX 200

Msg. 108798  Posted by Bill S. on May 03, 1999 at 22:43:37:

In Reply to: Re: Counting clicks on a TX 200 posted by RBest on May 03, 1999 at 21:36:11:

Hi Russ,
Couldn't tell you without taking it apart. Its a left hand version and the cutout port is on the left instead of the right. Maybe you could cock yours and count the clicks?
Bill

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Re: Real Supersport Vel.

Msg. 108797  Posted by RBest on May 03, 1999 at 22:43:17:

In Reply to: Real Supersport Vel. posted by Rusty on May 03, 1999 at 22:38:07:

Rusty: yours is right on target( the SS) but I suspect a little dieseling because of the variation. Is that gun broken in yet? ( 1000 shots). As many manufacturers do, the guns are advertised with velocities achieved with lightweight pellets, and not the pellets you or I would use for hunting or plinking. Regards, Russ
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On the Crosman 2289g and Benjamin Sheridan Diablo pellets; Ignorance is bliss!

Msg. 108796  Posted by ProfHoff on May 03, 1999 at 22:42:03:


It's said that there's no fool like an old fool. Thus, I probably qualify because I've grown quite fond of my little 22 cal Crosman 2289g rifle.

As some of you already know, I shortened the stock three inches to better accommodate the shorter eye relief of the scope I selected -- its a (very short, about 7", fixed power) 4x Bushnell Varminter that came with a nice set of scope rings. I've never this particular little optic in any catalog. However, the local Wal-Mart was moving them out at $30. I bought one and, after playing with it, decided to purchase a second.

I mounted the scope to the rifle with a set of Crosman Intermounts. I liked the gun's power, but couldn't get it to group. Gradually, it dawned on me that the intermounts were not secure. Ultimately I "welded" them to the gun with Loctite Cold Weld epoxy. Now they're tighter 'n a bulls butt in fly time. The gun holds zero like it's set in concrete.

I've always been fond of Benjamin Sheridan Diablo pellets. Our local Jumbo Sports store went belly up and I lost my source. Fortunately, Kevin, at Straight Shooters special ordered some for me; thanks, Kevin. I like the B/S pellets because they are very clean and quite uniform in weight (14.3 grains). Anybody out there have pro/con experience with that brand?

Meanwhile, back at the ranch: The combination of the pruned-stock Crosman 2289g , the Bushnell Varminter scope, and the Benjamin Sheridan pellets has me happier than I deserve to be because I can hit a 1" spinner target at least 8 out of 10 shots from a measured 30 yards.

The other day whilst turning into the lane that leads back to my home in the woods, I discovered a row of starlings on the power-line overhead. When I trained my binoculars on them, I discovered that they were circulating a tiny petition to have me locked up because I am endangering their species.

One of the nicest features of this forum is the airgun community's tolerance for the exuberance of youth. Even at my age, I can still get exuberant. Thanks for reading.

Regards,

ProfHoff

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Re: Will Buy or Trade nice Air Guns for R.W. LOVELESS KNIVES

Msg. 108795  Posted by Tommy Hudson on May 03, 1999 at 22:40:04:

In Reply to: Will Buy or Trade nice Air Guns for R.W. LOVELESS KNIVES posted by DOUGLAS BATES on May 03, 1999 at 21:09:30:

have 2 - one is a 4 1/2" loveless "lawndale" the other is a 5" made at riverside - both knives mint or near mint - made early/mid 70's - with leather - can send e-mail pic if serious - $5,000.00 for pair - firm - no trade - first time offered for sale - Tommy Hudson

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Real Supersport Vel.

Msg. 108794  Posted by Rusty on May 03, 1999 at 22:38:07:

I made a trip to the range today with a Chrony in tow, the idea being to check the speed on both my Benjamin 392 and my son's Supersport. The Benjamin preformed as advertised but the SS was a different story. From a rifle the is advertised at 800 FPS. I was wondering what actual figures others might have obtained with their .22 SS's. Out of a 10 shot stringthe fastest was 684, the lowest625. with an average vel. of 665.
The Benjamin on the other hand offered much better shot to shot consistency. It offered a high of 651 and a low of 633 for a 10 shot string.
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Re: Hey, JC?

Msg. 108793  Posted by Bill Merrell on May 03, 1999 at 22:37:07:

In Reply to: Re: Hey, JC? posted by Steve Parker on May 03, 1999 at 12:42:48:

Steve in regards to you