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From: Ken R < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=B6Nnou1eBrpURMMmV5TS2FKnFJjMtupbX0kx0o04fEBFEDk8yRy4XrbJXO3DqYSW0HOf7gxJugA >
Date: Mon Apr 21, 2003 10:37pm
Subject: Welcome to the Whiscombe Airgun forum/group

 

When I bought my FWB-300S, I started a 300S group. It has been very
successful with approximately 150 members world wide. Several FWB-
300S rifles have found new homes because of the group activity.

I got my Whiscombe JW-65 for Christmas, 2002. It rivals my 300S in
accuracy, quality, construction, ingenuity, and just plain fun.

There aren't very many Whiscombes out there in airgun-land. It takes
a special kind of person to save up for what I consider "the ultimate
springer". But, we're here none-the-less; and always ready to
talk "Whiscombe".

I hope that this group finds the popularity that the 300S group has
enjoyed. The group is open to membership by anyone that currently
owns a Whiscombe, eventually wishes to own one, or simply has an
interest in them.

Membership in Yahoo groups take several forms. Members can elect to
receive an email, generated for each and every forum post (the way I
do it). Or, members can have a list of current forum posts sent to
them via email so that they can read only the posts that are of
interest. Or, finally, members can choose to not have any email
sent; treating the group as a regular forum.

PLease pass the word that this group exists; especially when you see
questions on other forums about Whiscombe air rifles. Activity
justifies the group's existence.

Ken

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From: Marc A Myers < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=eH_nd_4y5Ys7xgAlIlM6Bzigr457a3XmZHhDI10vhtRkEtX2ym15DwOeAZluejK0rXQfz-i0taYS75OY7Hpk >
Date: Tue Apr 22, 2003 3:52am
Subject: Re: Welcome to the Whiscombe Airgun forum/group

 

Hi Ken, I'm currently saving up for my first, but I'd honestly like
to find a used JW 50, or 60. Perhaps even a tipper, but for the most
part one with a lower energy level. I'm still going to have to save
up. You know how I feel about Giss guns, and some day I'd like to do
a walking, side by side comparrison with the Mod. 75U,and the Mod 66
against a JW 60, and JW 50 tipper, I just need to find the right
Whiscombe owner to administer the Beating! I know they lack the
range, but for the time being they will be my poor mans whiscombes,
and provide the catalyst for my Whiscombe Aquisition !!! I hope this
becomes as successful as the FWB 300 group. GOOD LUCK !!! ;^)-- In
http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=kmBONKpiKB0WGD9fW71G12LGuM-jBZjl8mD_fox-bPF9Yr2RDYBk0gSetW-DiOzPn9Qa1fDI5S8dAWuPr7EDBg , "Ken R" <ken@c...> wrote:
> When I bought my FWB-300S, I started a 300S group. It has been
very
> successful with approximately 150 members world wide. Several FWB-
> 300S rifles have found new homes because of the group activity.
>
> I got my Whiscombe JW-65 for Christmas, 2002. It rivals my 300S
in
> accuracy, quality, construction, ingenuity, and just plain fun.
>
> There aren't very many Whiscombes out there in airgun-land. It
takes
> a special kind of person to save up for what I consider "the
ultimate
> springer". But, we're here none-the-less; and always ready to
> talk "Whiscombe".
>
> I hope that this group finds the popularity that the 300S group
has
> enjoyed. The group is open to membership by anyone that currently
> owns a Whiscombe, eventually wishes to own one, or simply has an
> interest in them.
>
> Membership in Yahoo groups take several forms. Members can elect
to
> receive an email, generated for each and every forum post (the way
I
> do it). Or, members can have a list of current forum posts sent
to
> them via email so that they can read only the posts that are of
> interest. Or, finally, members can choose to not have any email
> sent; treating the group as a regular forum.
>
> PLease pass the word that this group exists; especially when you
see
> questions on other forums about Whiscombe air rifles. Activity
> justifies the group's existence.
>
> Ken

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From: oldwhizzer2003 < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=sdKrFia41d5jpvHPWWzI4YCgGB0LB0M5CZfDGsniDuvCiWnho6UiI4XBSj01nGsBEglzJE6_zQ >
Date: Tue Apr 22, 2003 5:47am
Subject: Re: Welcome to the Whiscombe Airgun forum/group

 

I'm an oldtime Whiscombe owner. John built me a couple special guns
with serial number one of the series, including a JW75 tip-barrel and
the JW60MKII, both being left hand in walnut. My first gun was a JW50
tipbarrel #00050 i got in the mid-eighties, which i liked so much i
got the 75 the next year.

I know there are other guns that can match em for power or accuracy
(rarely both), but they are still my favorites, and are the most
special springers made so far as i'm concerned, and i've owned about
every kind there is at one time or another.

I have my opinions, and they are strong ones, based on experience.
Heres one for new buyers:

Don't waste money on extra barrels ... get .22 if you hunt, .177 if
you are going to compete. If you will compete, get one thats cocked
twice only.

ld

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From: Ken Ridout < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=l-e22is_dxjzGW79RanPWrQf9zYtA9qx7VXRNGFQifw-_l2VieXC6euFPha243XOWJrb0gpZvhE >
Date: Tue Apr 22, 2003 2:20pm
Subject: Re: Re: Welcome to the Whiscombe Airgun forum/group

 

I was hoping you'd join our group, LD.  Your knowledge of the Whiscombes came to mind when I created the group. 

Funny you should mention about the multiple barrels.  I bought JW-65 with .177 and a .20 barrel.  The .20 barrel is in the safe and may never be put onto the rifle. 

The first Whiscombe I ever saw is owned by a competitive silhouette shooter here in the Dallas area.  It's a tip-barrel that he's owned since 1992.  One shot was all it took!  I hit my turkey (at 36 yards) and loved the feel, balance, and lack of recoil of the rifle.   I began the communication and order process that week.   I like the feel and sound of a springer.  The springers that don't recoil are special to me.   I suspect that I'll own another Whiscombe some day.  Next one will be  his "softer spring" model.   My '65 shoots JSB Exacts and CPLs in the upper 900fps range (almost 1,000 fps).  With the restrictor in place, it shoots heavies at just under 12 FPE.   

Whenever guests wish to shoot the rifle, I always cock and load for them.  Do you think that's o.k.?  I don't want anything bad to happen to the rifle.

Ken

At 04:47 AM 4/22/2003 +0000, you wrote:

I'm an oldtime Whiscombe owner. John built me a couple special guns
with serial number one of the series, including a JW75 tip-barrel and
the JW60MKII, both being left hand in walnut.  My first gun was a JW50
tipbarrel #00050 i got in the mid-eighties, which i liked so much i
got the 75 the next year.

I know there are other guns that can match em for power or accuracy
(rarely both), but they are still my favorites, and are the most
special springers made so far as i'm concerned, and i've owned about
every kind there is at one time or another.

I have my opinions, and they are strong ones, based on experience. 
Heres one for new buyers:

Don't waste money on extra barrels ... get .22 if you hunt, .177 if
you are going to compete.  If you will compete, get one thats cocked
twice only.

ld

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From: Marc A Myers < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=x1ragxqBfIKChI4pS8GcZ1xoCqNRZqqTve0h8oDmLNBGdYjCuLuEGjTy6D1iayKYY8MszoxjUADXwlTi_lFQkw >
Date: Tue Apr 22, 2003 6:54pm
Subject: Re: Welcome to the Whiscombe Airgun forum/group

 

A Whiscombe forum wouldn't be complete without your insight L.D. you
have a broad knowledge base to draw on ! Virtually everything I know
about the Whiscombe Rifle has come from You or Ken !--- In
http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=89SFKjDmUC18m22yAZI5nD5ChFq45DB4AtIpzvTbVqdaVN7dDJtZLi-epXeqGgJqU30JYsNMQ1jkvi0B3l7-CdhK , "oldwhizzer2003" <lhdurham@s...> wrote:
> I'm an oldtime Whiscombe owner. John built me a couple special
guns
> with serial number one of the series, including a JW75 tip-barrel
and
> the JW60MKII, both being left hand in walnut. My first gun was a
JW50
> tipbarrel #00050 i got in the mid-eighties, which i liked so much
i
> got the 75 the next year.
>
> I know there are other guns that can match em for power or
accuracy
> (rarely both), but they are still my favorites, and are the most
> special springers made so far as i'm concerned, and i've owned
about
> every kind there is at one time or another.
>
> I have my opinions, and they are strong ones, based on
experience.
> Heres one for new buyers:
>
> Don't waste money on extra barrels ... get .22 if you hunt, .177
if
> you are going to compete. If you will compete, get one thats
cocked
> twice only.
>
> ld

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From: Marc A Myers < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=cszoYaoyblaabln5hWDk5sg0kFVVt68igaPVPRuU9TLpRKMsMfX1uHWa4Bgi_R4o-3h6hPB0xBVISn_GNXAT >
Date: Wed Apr 23, 2003 6:23pm
Subject: Who's JW 50 pics ?

 

Can I assume those are your L.D. ? and Arnold already beat me to
the Whiscombe link ! What I'd really like to see is Some Whiscombe
schematics, for comparative analysis ! Any Body ? are there any
Whiscombe manuals floating around that might be scanned ???

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From: fwbrobbw < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=pOjIYM1YDpHUt02yzPC3AWg54c1wUh9rh_oirv1y3YzTqlJ4DVvVvL2DhlEORqRW4QWim251WLdJ3OOI >
Date: Thu Apr 24, 2003 2:35pm
Subject: Re: I'm with you, Marc

 

I'd love to get a 50, or even a soft-tune 50. Anybody know why John
stopped making them? That seems the perfect combination of easy
cocking effort and the just-under 12FPE would set you up for
International FT.

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From: fwbrobbw < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=0YsvHz8yEIf7KA4dR4HJNiQG2zCu1IU39uQBTAzPIdsh5IiMUD_9vVsI6QpFDnQ7F7zCyF9zNkrUhQ >
Date: Thu Apr 24, 2003 2:40pm
Subject: Re: Welcome to the Whiscombe ---LOL Ken

 

"Whenever guests wish to shoot the rifle, I always cock and load for
them. Do you think that's o.k.? I don't want anything bad to
happen to the rifle"

I think it's OK to do whatever you want with your Whizzer. I read a
tip on the FT forum that it's best to let folks shoot your rig AFTER
the competition, because of the risk of something getting out of
zero if they do so beforehand.

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From: Ken Ridout < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=i5ydZSk90zcaM32SLnhZ5LP1S0IC1_rEijUgn5AD736gedHUTh8su0WKHMImF81aaHC2IBG5IWx8Kg >
Date: Thu Apr 24, 2003 3:06pm
Subject: Re: Re: I'm with you, Marc

 

I read on LD's forum (I think) that the popular configuration is his new JW-70 with a soft spring.  My '65 is not particularly easy to cock; and it shoots at about 940 fps with CPHs (it has been several months since I shot through the Chrony and actually I don't remember how many fps).  Anyway, a softer-shooting gun would suite me just fine.   I don't know what changes he's made from the JW-65 like I have and his new JW-70.

Ken

.  At 01:35 PM 4/24/2003 +0000, you wrote:

I'd love to get a 50, or even a soft-tune 50.  Anybody know why John
stopped making them?  That seems the perfect combination of easy
cocking effort and the just-under 12FPE would set you up for
International FT.

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From: Leo Duran < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=C3ETmxAEgi8wzBzOKc1kR1ob_xrrUAJzxw0i8UdrZYc7dgWKqErEqjlzNqJiq0xkg7cdbyCaifRPsEk >
Date: Thu Apr 24, 2003 3:21pm
Subject: Re: Re: I'm with you, Marc

 

JW still (sort of) makes the 50, but he changed the
model# to 60: length of spring travel in mm. The new
model is characterized as a "soft-spring" 60, and
should be similar, spec-wise, to the old 50, but with
a "smoother" action.

Leo Duran.

--- fwbrobbw < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=2ofqlPIm4nfGEZvk7qEKorV6MTESKKIdton8k29WkilovoBGEwVbNmYdzMdNNaMmWiRilPxWBpQ > wrote:
> I'd love to get a 50, or even a soft-tune 50.
> Anybody know why John
> stopped making them? That seems the perfect
> combination of easy
> cocking effort and the just-under 12FPE would set
> you up for
> International FT.
>
>

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From: lhdurham < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=oU1YjvA7hZogREqf-cB8Cdel7MGbSia6I57qEy-T6gr3OTcyWUwyU-xYMgMIy47aHY8hRI_SFQ >
Date: Thu Apr 24, 2003 6:54pm
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1

 

No, I didnt post any pics here

Perhaps you might ask John for dwgs?

ld

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> 1. Who's JW 50 pics ?
> From: "Marc A Myers" < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=YqNzr_2YIjMex5WOcHFqO_eYEuWxdTEf1h2XNd7ZR0YCb24AwkxGZUYCJHKA5Zcu6b9G4VwKb6jAEkXinA >
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> Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 17:23:41 -0000
> From: "Marc A Myers" < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=YqNzr_2YIjMex5WOcHFqO_eYEuWxdTEf1h2XNd7ZR0YCb24AwkxGZUYCJHKA5Zcu6b9G4VwKb6jAEkXinA >
> Subject: Who's JW 50 pics ?
>
> Can I assume those are your L.D. ? and Arnold already beat me to
> the Whiscombe link ! What I'd really like to see is Some Whiscombe
> schematics, for comparative analysis ! Any Body ? are there any
> Whiscombe manuals floating around that might be scanned ???
>
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>
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From: Marc A Myers < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=1wdGELJpQ_tTqs2A-QLpCfZ5qnMM5LSBLNXK6fCWeGkuHvLPcfGWGiGby5e6JGvfRmjRB0dXSn71EVk >
Date: Thu Apr 24, 2003 11:07pm
Subject: Apologies Sir ! That appears to be Arnolds !

 

I reckon yours might have been a south paw too ? Never the less. I
LIKE IT !!!

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From: John M. Ulrich < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=ivmrvn3iGPt1cc2yxVI1P6XWO2TjUPKAxSwTXkYsJGrlWT76JI_96cm7fDmKg18NNjA9Xx-nOm93MEjl >
Date: Fri Apr 25, 2003 0:33am
Subject: Owner wannabe...

 

Hello folks...I hope to be an owner soon. I ordered one just like
Kens a few months ago but there's been a slippage in parts supply so
my 65 has been delayed and is gonna be a 70. I am also finishing a
deal for a used JW50 in .177 and need some advise. I was thinking of
having the current owner send the rifle to John Whiscombe for
a "check over" prior to sending it to me. Would this be a good idea
or waste of time?

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From: Marc A Myers < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=4MjlBrku0bcdNxA4T62NC9AXZRzyU-BqF3RMte_hTlH_6GbyctJfViStloIIQp9MYsA_b7k06nzI9m9P2Q >
Date: Fri Apr 25, 2003 2:40am
Subject: Re: Owner wannabe...

 

You know John ! I'd be More than happy to look that JW 50 over for
ya ! ;^) and I Realllllly mean that !--- In
http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=VWwjuNIrZka8vNm_0i-x2aMRmIgBgrF6CoxQqjnbo4RTICXgCFi6_3HovJLR868mUzahM80RFoupfMa3YJXPdw , "John M. Ulrich" <sgtjohn_1@m...> wrote:
> Hello folks...I hope to be an owner soon. I ordered one just like
> Kens a few months ago but there's been a slippage in parts supply
so
> my 65 has been delayed and is gonna be a 70. I am also finishing a
> deal for a used JW50 in .177 and need some advise. I was thinking
of
> having the current owner send the rifle to John Whiscombe for
> a "check over" prior to sending it to me. Would this be a good
idea
> or waste of time?

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From: xenon552000 < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=CByPn78Fm7iPwjPGIZbmihwWkWIoWvoEWXXDW8RubKrWsCmBvGbsz-e4wXlkatcWuyaB4XiaEKAUkl0 >
Date: Sat Apr 26, 2003 4:19pm
Subject: Heed ld

 

To all who would like to become a Whiscombe owner:

Heed the advice of ld. I regret that I ordered my 22 cal JW-80 before
getting his recommendations. Although I've had my rifle for about a
year, and I think it's marvelous in power and accuracy, I find the
third cocking stroke to be a bit much for my aging muscles. A day
with my JW-80 really tires me out. As a result, I don't shoot it as
often as I'd like to. Now I wish I had a two-stroke version. Oh well,
it's back to saving up again.

Regards,
ProfHoff

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From: Ken Ridout < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=elD33ChqNd5LlCnRf-Rh8nxG99A8Crla7795G5hnJ_UfRyytHC9nJuWcDjaq3eaGYOmTg-5mYl-uMJ7C >
Date: Sat Apr 26, 2003 10:47pm
Subject: Re: Heed ld

 

Prof,
Welcome to the group.  You have a beautiful Whiscombe, for sure. 

I understand what you mean.  My JW-65 is not an "easy cocker" either.  The first cock is easy enough but the second one is at least 25% (estimated) harder.  I thought about you and your 3-stroke cocker and was glad I ordered the '65.  I'll bet you can get John to modify yours inexpensively.

The more I shoot the Whiscombe, the more I like it.  From my knee, it overlaps pellets at 30 yards (the extent of my backyard range).  It's shooting Kodiak Match pellets at 875 - 882 FPS (ten shot string) and CPL pellets at 1014 - 1017 FPS.   I just finished shooting this 20-shot test for this post.

I shot the rifle last night at thumbnail-sized targets off-hand at 30+ yards and could hit 7 out of 10 at times in my good runs.  (this was shooting silhouette chickens at 30+ yards instead of 20 yards).  I'm not sure my ZM Steyr will do that.  (wish I could shoot like that in real competition)  I have a Bushnell Elite 4200 8-32X with the standard duplex reticle scope on the rifle.  I'm going to send the scope to have a 1/2" MOA target dot installed very soon.

I've now moved the JW-65 to the top of my favorite list of air rifles I own.  I got the rifle with two barrels (.177 and .20); but may never swap barrels because the gun is so good in the .177 caliber.   I think LD also gives advice to buy the gun with one barrel.  (I wonder if John would take the .20 barrel back in trade for partial payment for another Whiscombe)   I'd like to have a soft-shooting JW-65 or his new model, the '70. 

Someone needs to tell JW about this group so he can get feedback about his products.

Ken

At 03:19 PM 4/26/2003 +0000, you wrote:

To all who would like to become a Whiscombe owner:

Heed the advice of ld. I regret that I ordered my 22 cal JW-80 before
getting his recommendations. Although I've had my rifle for about a
year, and I think it's marvelous in power and accuracy, I find the
third cocking stroke to be a bit much for my aging muscles. A day
with my JW-80 really tires me out. As a result, I don't shoot it as
often as I'd like to. Now I wish I had a two-stroke version. Oh well,
it's back to saving up again.

Regards,
ProfHoff

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From: Leo Duran < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=-TenNvvVkXVm7APhXsmTCjko2aHk-ET-EH7XRcQudISn_Xb8cVV0h3Zz1WOFVo8Z7Pz8YLmaKSxDOwtY >
Date: Sun Apr 27, 2003 1:16am
Subject: Re: Heed ld

 

Ken,

What all do you expect would be different in the
"soft-spring" 70, vs the 65?

As I understand it, the firing cycle should be a bit
smoother, but I don't know about the cocking effort
and energy levels.

Leo.

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From: Ken Ridout < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=SYRu06GUMgDYQ_jqGSGDBiN5B5R8ZMSaF2zKDAxJBK8ALf4ufD2H9zumdxv3OF-a_uzPE-e9VZk >
Date: Sun Apr 27, 2003 2:06am
Subject: Re: Heed ld

 

Well, I may be incorrectly assuming that a softer spring would not be as hard to cock and may not shoot quite as hard as my '65. 

I'm not sure what other changes JW has made between the -65 and -70. 

At 05:16 PM 4/26/2003 -0700, you wrote:

Ken,

What all do you expect would be different in the
"soft-spring" 70, vs the 65?

As I understand it, the firing cycle should be a bit
smoother, but I don't know about the cocking effort
and energy levels.

Leo.

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From: John M. Ulrich < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=5WUYHEegqjwvBAgwWVMExbAByFhOd-iuBXuA1ts9hNNmqrpDjINemOgF7jcgdDJoihrUvi0vvHk >
Date: Sun Apr 27, 2003 4:32am
Subject: No longer a wanabe...

 

I concluded the deal with Pickering Airguns in Scotland and
am "officially" a JW50 owner. I also had a nice conversation with
Mr. Whiscombe. He agreed to accept the rifle from Pickering Arms and
check it out thoroughly. Asked him about the status of the JW70 --
he said that he did some R&D while waiting for parts resulting in a
smoother firing cycle and a couple of ft/lbs increase. BTW: mine is
5th in line...I cancelled the second barrel in lieu of another rifle
in .22.

20

From: Leo Duran < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=AjAmB9EKRKys9OoXHW2aBkh8ph13WdeyxXNDxtJeQyfDEY91qUMTMwA1ZkMoPNN97uNpvfUd4vpSobdJmD8 >
Date: Sun Apr 27, 2003 4:44am
Subject: 65 vs 70

 

Ken,

I think this would be an excellent question for the
"man himself" (previous 65 vs current 70).
It would also make for an excellent introduction to
our Yahoo group.

So, I hereby propose that you, being the owner/host of
this group, introduce John to our group.

Leo.

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> Well, I may be incorrectly assuming that a softer
> spring would not be as
> hard to cock and may not shoot quite as hard as my
> '65.
>
> I'm not sure what other changes JW has made between
> the -65 and -70.
>
> At 05:16 PM 4/26/2003 -0700, you wrote:
> >Ken,
> >
> >What all do you expect would be different in the
> >"soft-spring" 70, vs the 65?
> >
> >As I understand it, the firing cycle should be a
> bit
> >smoother, but I don't know about the cocking effort
> >and energy levels.
> >
> >Leo.
> >

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From: Tony Uriz < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=93R9HCEv4qqkUGnUUbjwRuYB-KaSbp8L789h_8tddWCCLegMqfbW3TuYUyzWASvZbjDjYLnQnaX5xvcc >
Date: Sun Apr 27, 2003 1:49pm
Subject: JW75

 

Anybody out there have a JW75?  I ended up selling mine a while back, and now was able to buy the same one back.  It's my daughters favorite air rifle, and she kept asking me why I sold "Mr. Whiscombe."  When it came back to its home, we were ecstatic.  Just as fine and beautiful as it was when it left.  It's a JW75 (soft) Serial number 20.  The blueing is the richest, deepest and blackest I have ever seen.  The thumbhole walnut stock is between grade 3 and 4, very rich, with excellent stippling. I keep the .22 barrel on it, but also have a .177 I had bought directly from John.  It averages .22 Premier heavies at 850 fps.  I'm so happy the JW is back.  I think its time to clean the barrel.....  Thanks for this Whiscombe group.

 

Tony

"John M. Ulrich" wrote:

I concluded the deal with Pickering Airguns in Scotland and
am "officially" a JW50 owner. I also had a nice conversation with
Mr. Whiscombe. He agreed to accept the rifle from Pickering Arms and
check it out thoroughly. Asked him about the status of the JW70 --
he said that he did some R&D while waiting for parts resulting in a
smoother firing cycle and a couple of ft/lbs increase. BTW: mine is
5th in line...I cancelled the second barrel in lieu of another rifle
in .22.

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From: xenon552000 < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=cN02AWAsRBThuqSRtTEy77XkquTAhQYbbOyidsmtsAaCbDpnZU3_50rrZ211d8vB47JPl-ZYBrLrUwjQgg >
Date: Mon Apr 28, 2003 3:57pm
Subject: JW-80 / TX-200 vs Starlings

 

Gentlemen ... and ladies as well:

You fellows rather re-kindled my desire to shoot my JW-80.

Yesterday (shooting CPs in both guns) whilst popping starlings off my
bird feeders at 40 yards, I noticed that my 22 cal TX-200 would knock
the critters clean off their perch. However, when using the JW, Mr.
Starling would just keel over. All hits resulted in pellet pass-
through.

Indeed, I do understand that the 22 cal JW pellet hits harder (has
more velocity) than the TX. Can it be that the higher velocity JW
pellet just zips through the target so quickly that the inertia of
the bird's body allows it to remain relatively unmoved? Theories and
explanations welcomed. Thanks.

Regards,
ProfHoff

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From: fwbrobbw < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=W_PalR--YWgEXzbMB8kjS8Y8ORWKQQx7bDA9skuHgfmWPQgvIpJtXE0RgJ6rhrjKFas-cVVPwEB52a-l >
Date: Mon Apr 28, 2003 4:16pm
Subject: Re: JW-80 / TX-200 vs Starlings

 

Yep, my guess is your experience is like the magician pulling the
tablecloth out from under a fully-set table--yet nothing is
disturbed. If you do it quickly enough and with enough force, the
inertia of the dishes leaves them undisturbed.

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From: lhdurham < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=t8P7SdYzjtS64M-FxWmZtaEb5nH3TkFgVV8mbuZzj8DeuVzjdRvve_nK6vEi2N9a_oE5vXVlZMa6-UY >
Date: Mon Apr 28, 2003 6:00pm
Subject: Re: Digest Number 4

 

Perhaps i'm getting way out of touch and my ramblings are dated? I know in the olden days the JW70 series needed THREE cocking strokes. Is John now producing a model "70" that takes fewer strokes? BTW, i once asked him to consider making a sidelever PISTOL version of his gun, but he refused. Too bad.

Hint, lightly oil the gear racks and esp the pinion gear pivot bolt on occasion to maintain smoothness and avoid wear. This is the ONLY maintenance i have found nessesary on my guns besides barrel cleaning.

25

From: Ken Ridout < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=9t3fLrL7P5q-3VShBwkI68z4IOv835EX3dWiOWiT7E0miU-XjU5Ry3sSiCmIzCe9Lr8qg1snmS_LW_ev >
Date: Mon Apr 28, 2003 7:44pm
Subject: Re: Digest Number 4

 

I'm confused, too.

I thought I read (on the Anything Goes forum) that the last of the -65's were out the door and the new model (someone called it the -70) was taking its place.  I do remember that there was a previous -70 model taking 3-strokes and wondered how he would duplicate that previous model nomenclature for a new, different rifle.

I just went to the JW website and found that the -65 is now called the -67, MK II.  I don't remember if it was called the MK II last year when I ordered mine or not and I don't know what the differences are.  Wish someone would clear it up.  I like my two-stroker just fine.  Sometimes I wish it would cock with a single stroke (especially for timed events like metal silhouette competition).  But then it would be too hard to cock.  I'd like to know what the difference is between my -65 and the new model.

The power of the rifle is fine . . . .I can hear the difference between CPLs and CPHs at 30 yards.  At 1,015  FPS the CPL pellets get there in a hurry for sure.  I'm not sure which is best for silhouette competition (heavier/slower or lighter/faster). 

Ken

At 10:00 AM 4/28/2003 -0700, you wrote:

Perhaps i'm getting way out of touch and my ramblings are dated?  I know in the olden days the JW70 series needed THREE cocking strokes.  Is John now producing a model "70" that takes fewer strokes? BTW, i once asked him to consider making a sidelever PISTOL version of his gun, but he refused.  Too bad.

Hint, lightly oil the gear racks and esp the pinion gear pivot bolt on occasion to maintain smoothness and avoid wear.  This is the ONLY maintenance i have found nessesary on my guns besides barrel cleaning.

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From: Ken Ridout < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=Ftw6KxU7fGZ4djdC1xFJ15jIREXoq-g6jP6hoDIXZKsMjiZyVSGo5ktm7ZcT1Egmme1YUooJbCXk >
Date: Mon Apr 28, 2003 7:46pm
Subject: Re: Re: JW-80 / TX-200 vs Starlings

 

Robb, have you made arrangements to buy a Whiscombe yet?

I know you like springers . . . . you'll love a Whiscombe.  Remember, it took 9 months for mine to arrive.

Ken

At 03:16 PM 4/28/2003 +0000, you wrote:

Yep, my guess is your experience is like the magician pulling the
tablecloth out from under a fully-set table--yet nothing is
disturbed.  If you do it quickly enough and with enough force, the
inertia of the dishes leaves them undisturbed.

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From: Leo Duran < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=W7T5Gc_vxKTPY3aEe9tqiLuUFoctbKhwJgDraVvfcIyroUYUuO865x0-H16djNeIqYcWWYK_-0OO >
Date: Mon Apr 28, 2003 7:59pm
Subject: Re: Digest Number 4

 

I've only been checking out JW's web-site for the last
year... so I don't know about previous history.

As I understand it, based on his latest "soft spring"
changes the model# are going to be:
Last year => This year
Model 50 => 60 (2 strokes)
Model 65 => 70 (2 strokes)
Model 80 => 80 (3 strokes) - no change in model#

This is the site I've looking at:
http://www.webdev100.fsnet.co.uk/index.html

Ken, is that the same site you visited? I did not see
any listing for a -67, so maybe I've been looking at
the wrong one?

Leo.

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> I'm confused, too.
>
> I thought I read (on the Anything Goes forum) that
> the last of the -65's
> were out the door and the new model (someone called
> it the -70) was taking
> its place. I do remember that there was a previous
> -70 model taking
> 3-strokes and wondered how he would duplicate that
> previous model
> nomenclature for a new, different rifle.
>
> I just went to the JW website and found that the -65
> is now called the -67,
> MK II. I don't remember if it was called the MK II
> last year when I
> ordered mine or not and I don't know what the
> differences are. Wish
> someone would clear it up. I like my two-stroker
> just fine. Sometimes I
> wish it would cock with a single stroke (especially
> for timed events like
> metal silhouette competition). But then it would be
> too hard to cock. I'd
> like to know what the difference is between my -65
> and the new model.
>
> The power of the rifle is fine . . . .I can hear the
> difference between
> CPLs and CPHs at 30 yards. At 1,015 FPS the CPL
> pellets get there in a
> hurry for sure. I'm not sure which is best for
> silhouette competition
> (heavier/slower or lighter/faster).
>
> Ken
>
>
>
>
> At 10:00 AM 4/28/2003 -0700, you wrote:
> >Perhaps i'm getting way out of touch and my
> ramblings are dated? I know
> >in the olden days the JW70 series needed THREE
> cocking strokes. Is John
> >now producing a model "70" that takes fewer
> strokes? BTW, i once asked him
> >to consider making a sidelever PISTOL version of
> his gun, but he
> >refused. Too bad.
> >
> >Hint, lightly oil the gear racks and esp the pinion
> gear pivot bolt on
> >occasion to maintain smoothness and avoid wear.
> This is the ONLY
> >maintenance i have found nessesary on my guns
> besides barrel cleaning.
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> >
> >
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From: Ken Ridout < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=5rtcLr82t3JXYDN-UK-chzxSjCtvSxxGCb4AE6oyi9FrmppxkgSCA7OdXPbUI2KLRoJzVNs1_DxC009J >
Date: Mon Apr 28, 2003 9:33pm
Subject: Re: Digest Number 4

 

Yes, same site.  And I don't know where the "67" nomenclature that I typed came from.  I guess I was thinking 65 MK-2 and simply added the numbers 65 + 2 together to come up with something that doesn't exist.  (chuckle)  I'm mildly dyslexic and also my mind thinks ahead of my mouth and fingers on its own sometimes.

Ken

 At 11:59 AM 4/28/2003 -0700, you wrote:

I've only been checking out JW's web-site for the last
year... so I don't know about previous history.

As I understand it, based on his latest "soft spring"
changes the model# are going to be:
Last year => This year
 Model 50 => 60 (2 strokes)
 Model 65 => 70 (2 strokes)
 Model 80 => 80 (3 strokes) - no change in model#
 
This is the site I've looking at:
http://www.webdev100.fsnet.co.uk/index.html

Ken, is that the same site you visited?  I did not see
any listing for a -67, so maybe I've been looking at
the wrong one?

Leo.

--- Ken Ridout wrote:
> I'm confused, too.
>
> I thought I read (on the Anything Goes forum) that
> the last of the -65's
> were out the door and the new model (someone called
> it the -70) was taking
> its place.  I do remember that there was a previous
> -70 model taking
> 3-strokes and wondered how he would duplicate that
> previous model
> nomenclature for a new, different rifle.
>
> I just went to the JW website and found that the -65
> is now called the -67,
> MK II.  I don't remember if it was called the MK II
> last year when I
> ordered mine or not and I don't know what the
> differences are.  Wish
> someone would clear it up.  I like my two-stroker
> just fine.  Sometimes I
> wish it would cock with a single stroke (especially
> for timed events like
> metal silhouette competition).  But then it would be
> too hard to cock.  I'd
> like to know what the difference is between my -65
> and the new model.
>
> The power of the rifle is fine . . . .I can hear the
> difference between
> CPLs and CPHs at 30 yards.  At 1,015  FPS the CPL
> pellets get there in a
> hurry for sure.  I'm not sure which is best for
> silhouette competition
> (heavier/slower or lighter/faster).
>
> Ken
>
>
>
>
> At 10:00 AM 4/28/2003 -0700, you wrote:
> >Perhaps i'm getting way out of touch and my
> ramblings are dated?  I know
> >in the olden days the JW70 series needed THREE
> cocking strokes.  Is John
> >now producing a model "70" that takes fewer
> strokes? BTW, i once asked him
> >to consider making a sidelever PISTOL version of
> his gun, but he
> >refused.  Too bad.
> >
> >Hint, lightly oil the gear racks and esp the pinion
> gear pivot bolt on
> >occasion to maintain smoothness and avoid wear.
> This is the ONLY
> >maintenance i have found nessesary on my guns
> besides barrel cleaning.
> >
> >
> >
> >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> >Whiscombe-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> >
> >
> >
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>

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From: fwbrobbw < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=scebmkLOTTQJnYgCVhOkXg_Wx2fA7o6-lr9N0ZOHmiYofscrX49W4mtVIb-HpusSwUzmIa0cR2CwbacleA >
Date: Mon Apr 28, 2003 10:12pm
Subject: Re: JW-80 / TX-200 vs Starlings

 

Not yet, but it's on my list of guns to get. I'm getting a 75U in
as soon as some parts can be found, so I'll get to play around with
a soft-cocking giss gun when that happens.

A soft-cocking Whizzer is what I'm really after. I would have liked
a JW50 set under 12FPE. That, or if he ever came out with a "match"
version. Was the JW50 a one-stroke or two? As you know I really
love the 10M match springers, and I don't feel a need to get a
really hard-hitting gun. I have a ProElite and ZM Steyr that hit
hard, and that's more than enough for my collection.

Maybe a used 50 if I can find one, or maybe his newest guns cock as
easy as the old 50, I don't know. I'm with you though--single
stroke is best for Silhouette if the effort is manageable.

30

From: Ken Ridout < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=APUtoGbCw5V-jJ4aXwL3PMIT-w-gQYaFx7Avj51gahBtSbKIdnCD7QjC4bdcqD8TqmY9U3eEe4gZ >
Date: Mon Apr 28, 2003 10:50pm
Subject: Re: Re: JW-80 / TX-200 vs Starlings

 

I've been timing myself with the Whiscombe to see if I can get off 5 shots in the 2-1/2 minute time period.  It's close!  By the time I get the rifle double-cocked, loaded, up to my shoulder, relax, find the proper target, and beginn the concentration to fire; many seconds have transpired.  The saving grace is that for the first shot, you have 15 seconds to do all that preparation and; you can shoot as soon as the man says "fuego" or "fire".  That instant begins the 2-1/2 minutes.  So I really have 2-1/2 minutes for the four following shots.

I think I can score just about as well with the Whizzer as I can with my Steyr.  (upper 20's to low 30's).  There's absolutely no "muzzle flip" with the Whizzer, so where it's pointed is where I see the pellet hit.  The Whiscombe platform is more stable for off-hand shooting, too (in my opinion).

You'll like a GISS gun.  They are every bit as intriguing  as the sliding action 300S.

Find the proper target (from above).  I can't tell you how many times I've shot the wrong chicken!  With a 35X scope, all I can see is one chicken at a time.  Once, I steadied so quickly on the chicken so quickly and easily that I thought, "might as well shoot . . . it's never going to get better than this!"   I shot and then heard, "Ken, you shot one of my chickens" from the shooter adjacent to me.  Oh, phooey!  (and it was such a good, clean, dead-center hit).   Now, I count over and up to the target chicken before getting serious about shooting.  That takes a couple or three seconds.  Added to the double-cocking and loading, I may not have time for the rest of the process.

Ken

At 09:12 PM 4/28/2003 +0000, you wrote:

Not yet, but it's on my list of guns to get.  I'm getting a 75U in
as soon as some parts can be found, so I'll get to play around with
a soft-cocking giss gun when that happens.

A soft-cocking Whizzer is what I'm really after.  I would have liked
a JW50 set under 12FPE.  That, or if he ever came out with a "match"
version.  Was the JW50 a one-stroke or two?  As you know I really
love the 10M match springers, and I don't feel a need to get a
really hard-hitting gun.  I have a ProElite and ZM Steyr that hit
hard, and that's more than enough for my collection.

Maybe a used 50 if I can find one, or maybe his newest guns cock as
easy as the old 50, I don't know.  I'm with you though--single
stroke is best for Silhouette if the effort is manageable.

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31

From: Marc A Myers < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=HCgKdTdQbUUwpJxGeeqMuK0KquMSWd4QWM9MXsfZ4mkX54LStI4Rj5yZFRCNuSOzi5V6AixSdHh2wicqRH4 >
Date: Tue Apr 29, 2003 2:39am
Subject: Re: JW-80 / TX-200 vs Starlings

 

Uh Robb ! Ken's lookin for a 75 U too ! Kinda like dangglin a Porter
House in front of a Rottweiler, aint it ? and are you absoluteley
certain you wouldn't rather have a JW 65 ?--- In
http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=-nP9v3zefMSzwyNtUAev066JUNYVSGAzPZ2jKIRfm54WRH90vaFrrxNfH3wWSIdxLi6swp9RU6cbdqB89x-Zvg , "fwbrobbw" <fwbrobbw@y...> wrote:
> Not yet, but it's on my list of guns to get. I'm getting a 75U in
> as soon as some parts can be found, so I'll get to play around
with
> a soft-cocking giss gun when that happens.
>
> A soft-cocking Whizzer is what I'm really after. I would have
liked
> a JW50 set under 12FPE. That, or if he ever came out with
a "match"
> version. Was the JW50 a one-stroke or two? As you know I really
> love the 10M match springers, and I don't feel a need to get a
> really hard-hitting gun. I have a ProElite and ZM Steyr that hit
> hard, and that's more than enough for my collection.
>
> Maybe a used 50 if I can find one, or maybe his newest guns cock
as
> easy as the old 50, I don't know. I'm with you though--single
> stroke is best for Silhouette if the effort is manageable.

32

From: Ken Ridout < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=OHexV4p-GTu055rgVFbCEL2mRo4YQAnOE6G7BjqReh0kdsgTk_6x2Um4DTlpiKLMicdCrFZVeG4 >
Date: Tue Apr 29, 2003 3:45am
Subject: Re: Re: JW-80 / TX-200 vs Starlings

 

Yeah, Robb.
I want a 75U, too . . . mainly because I like the more sporting look of the stock.  My 75T01 is being refurbished by the expert right now.  It won't ever be for sale (in my lifetime) unless a beautiful 75U comes available. Then, I'll have a big decision to make.

Have I ever steered you wrong?  You'd absolutely love a Whiscombe.  (but, no . . .you can't have mine).

Ken

At 01:39 AM 4/29/2003 +0000, you wrote:

Uh Robb ! Ken's lookin for a 75 U too ! Kinda like dangglin a Porter
House in front of a Rottweiler, aint it ? and are you absoluteley
certain you wouldn't rather have a JW 65 ?--- In
Whiscombe@yahoogroups.com, "fwbrobbw" wrote:
> Not yet, but it's on my list of guns to get.  I'm getting a 75U in
> as soon as some parts can be found, so I'll get to play around
with
> a soft-cocking giss gun when that happens.
>
> A soft-cocking Whizzer is what I'm really after.  I would have
liked
> a JW50 set under 12FPE.  That, or if he ever came out with
a "match"
> version.  Was the JW50 a one-stroke or two?  As you know I really
> love the 10M match springers, and I don't feel a need to get a
> really hard-hitting gun.  I have a ProElite and ZM Steyr that hit
> hard, and that's more than enough for my collection.
>
> Maybe a used 50 if I can find one, or maybe his newest guns cock
as
> easy as the old 50, I don't know.  I'm with you though--single
> stroke is best for Silhouette if the effort is manageable.

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From: fwbrobbw < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=rdkNl_N71qTPiyGSFwN0gh31hjb8Qu2ijsJ8ClelEADY_ItvzCl1XjMVFI-EPQSbokpJ-bNf63YR7w >
Date: Tue Apr 29, 2003 4:08am
Subject: Re: JW-80 / TX-200 vs Starlings

 

Ken's lookin for a 75 U too ! Kinda like dangglin a Porter
> House in front of a Rottweiler, aint it ?

LOL. Yeah maybe, but on the other hand he already has a 75HV so I
don't feel too badly.

and are you absoluteley
> certain you wouldn't rather have a JW 65 ?--- Sure am, the line is
longer for a good-condition 75! I'll get a JW someday, but I'd like
to get my 10M guns first since the timing can be trickier. Maybe by
then there will be a lower-power JW offered--now that would be sweet.

34

From: fwbrobbw < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=PD3lUIniUnVpKnii6N3o1Wi4gLhTqkncBpP7QuQ83UJeJuAeRG1oBGOctA08PsmWNjxiE0eTO_DLPbcXsw >
Date: Tue Apr 29, 2003 4:11am
Subject: Re: JW-80 / TX-200 vs Starlings

 

Have I ever steered you wrong?

No way, your advice is always spot on! You know I've got a Whiscomb
in my sights--I just have a couple of other collectibles to find
first as they become available.

You'd absolutely love a Whiscombe. (but,
> no . . .you can't have mine).

But can I rent to own? LOL

35

From: lhdurham < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=2l7WppXhVPI0jSARlFcPF0kRDkbAxGmDmb-AzrMEbFfOJbnGXph7VQF_E5OpxvGj8uUmD8DqZlN8-Q >
Date: Tue Apr 29, 2003 6:10pm
Subject: Re: Digest Number 5

 

I have fired decent Silhouette scores years ago using my tip-barrel three-cocker JW75 and alm,ost never ran out of time. Its really a bit too powerful as it sends some of animals out too far past the berms. The JW50 tipbarrel is really sweet, and believe it or not, mine can punch out over 17fpe with the
.22 cal barrel fitted, tho it only puts out 13.5fpe in .177.

About the "MK II" designation ... this refers to the latest series with thicker receiver tube. I'm pretty sure JW80 guns are "MKII", since they intro'd the new action. My JW60 MKII is serial #1 of that size ... but each size has a #1.
Looking at the action, it looks "smoother" and thicker than the older series.

ld

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> 1. JW-80 / TX-200 vs Starlings
> From: "xenon552000" < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=zhVlEqaoiQS3t3LHZI5WVKp-P7Hs1tIJgPWbuJPicrabMzlizZ-hOdUJdsSH7kL8S3r4TTMQQhg86Y8 >
> 2. Re: JW-80 / TX-200 vs Starlings
> From: "fwbrobbw" < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=9yL-bHpSMdkVZtO_0cHzGkUpvXwgeA-YNu-WF8KqnWxRKzdptHI6pTZP-YSfdIr43VrDso0Tdv6fHJ8 >
> 3. Re: Digest Number 4
> From: lhdurham < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=T-pFeYJ9GtoK8-_Bwj75pPbREYCnx4JwVmOjtLTPWLGPmgXMdyXFUc5nj5gDu6gKeeWQKsiIJ6zrceid >
> 4. Re: Digest Number 4
> From: Ken Ridout < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=NWKQminENhmzmRKYF0epGabxvatCNAvwPWUVd1eH3mBE29-gKXhl0anYO3mtdu_DF4pXz2whhndOj4s >
> 5. Re: Re: JW-80 / TX-200 vs Starlings
> From: Ken Ridout < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=NWKQminENhmzmRKYF0epGabxvatCNAvwPWUVd1eH3mBE29-gKXhl0anYO3mtdu_DF4pXz2whhndOj4s >
> 6. Re: Digest Number 4
> From: Leo Duran < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=OFHgeEd3H8-rqpdw9SNFzZpaKFLynZfs1T6hYEFfeX0SOovg6ZoVmbDr8uh8HYbD0Kd6_-3trnGK >
> 7. Re: Digest Number 4
> From: Ken Ridout < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=NWKQminENhmzmRKYF0epGabxvatCNAvwPWUVd1eH3mBE29-gKXhl0anYO3mtdu_DF4pXz2whhndOj4s >
> 8. Re: JW-80 / TX-200 vs Starlings
> From: "fwbrobbw" < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=9yL-bHpSMdkVZtO_0cHzGkUpvXwgeA-YNu-WF8KqnWxRKzdptHI6pTZP-YSfdIr43VrDso0Tdv6fHJ8 >
> 9. Re: Re: JW-80 / TX-200 vs Starlings
> From: Ken Ridout < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=NWKQminENhmzmRKYF0epGabxvatCNAvwPWUVd1eH3mBE29-gKXhl0anYO3mtdu_DF4pXz2whhndOj4s >
> 10. Re: JW-80 / TX-200 vs Starlings
> From: "Marc A Myers" < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=gdcFbHdXsb4v2av8CgZiDjrFqDH54dVpqCkRzcxcCVHpRXYEf2DAwwKaqMRpd-D-no7ZWTeg523kxOY6dfE >
> 11. Re: Re: JW-80 / TX-200 vs Starlings
> From: Ken Ridout < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=NWKQminENhmzmRKYF0epGabxvatCNAvwPWUVd1eH3mBE29-gKXhl0anYO3mtdu_DF4pXz2whhndOj4s >
> 12. Re: JW-80 / TX-200 vs Starlings
> From: "fwbrobbw" < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=9yL-bHpSMdkVZtO_0cHzGkUpvXwgeA-YNu-WF8KqnWxRKzdptHI6pTZP-YSfdIr43VrDso0Tdv6fHJ8 >
> 13. Re: JW-80 / TX-200 vs Starlings
> From: "fwbrobbw" < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=9yL-bHpSMdkVZtO_0cHzGkUpvXwgeA-YNu-WF8KqnWxRKzdptHI6pTZP-YSfdIr43VrDso0Tdv6fHJ8 >
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 14:57:11 -0000
> From: "xenon552000" < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=zhVlEqaoiQS3t3LHZI5WVKp-P7Hs1tIJgPWbuJPicrabMzlizZ-hOdUJdsSH7kL8S3r4TTMQQhg86Y8 >
> Subject: JW-80 / TX-200 vs Starlings
>
> Gentlemen ... and ladies as well:
>
> You fellows rather re-kindled my desire to shoot my JW-80.
>
> Yesterday (shooting CPs in both guns) whilst popping starlings off my
> bird feeders at 40 yards, I noticed that my 22 cal TX-200 would knock
> the critters clean off their perch. However, when using the JW, Mr.
> Starling would just keel over. All hits resulted in pellet pass-
> through.
>
> Indeed, I do understand that the 22 cal JW pellet hits harder (has
> more velocity) than the TX. Can it be that the higher velocity JW
> pellet just zips through the target so quickly that the inertia of
> the bird's body allows it to remain relatively unmoved? Theories and
> explanations welcomed. Thanks.
>
> Regards,
> ProfHoff
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
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>
> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 15:16:32 -0000
> From: "fwbrobbw" < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=9yL-bHpSMdkVZtO_0cHzGkUpvXwgeA-YNu-WF8KqnWxRKzdptHI6pTZP-YSfdIr43VrDso0Tdv6fHJ8 >
> Subject: Re: JW-80 / TX-200 vs Starlings
>
> Yep, my guess is your experience is like the magician pulling the
> tablecloth out from under a fully-set table--yet nothing is
> disturbed. If you do it quickly enough and with enough force, the
> inertia of the dishes leaves them undisturbed.
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 10:00:14 -0700
> From: lhdurham < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=T-pFeYJ9GtoK8-_Bwj75pPbREYCnx4JwVmOjtLTPWLGPmgXMdyXFUc5nj5gDu6gKeeWQKsiIJ6zrceid >
> Subject: Re: Digest Number 4
>
> Perhaps i'm getting way out of touch and my ramblings are dated? I know in the olden days the JW70 series needed THREE cocking strokes. Is John now producing a model "70" that takes fewer strokes? BTW, i once asked him to consider making a sidelever PISTOL version of his gun, but he refused. Too bad.
>
> Hint, lightly oil the gear racks and esp the pinion gear pivot bolt on occasion to maintain smoothness and avoid wear. This is the ONLY maintenance i have found nessesary on my guns besides barrel cleaning.
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
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> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 13:44:56 -0500
> From: Ken Ridout < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=NWKQminENhmzmRKYF0epGabxvatCNAvwPWUVd1eH3mBE29-gKXhl0anYO3mtdu_DF4pXz2whhndOj4s >
> Subject: Re: Digest Number 4
>
> I'm confused, too.
>
> I thought I read (on the Anything Goes forum) that the last of the -65's
> were out the door and the new model (someone called it the -70) was taking
> its place. I do remember that there was a previous -70 model taking
> 3-strokes and wondered how he would duplicate that previous model
> nomenclature for a new, different rifle.
>
> I just went to the JW website and found that the -65 is now called the -67,
> MK II. I don't remember if it was called the MK II last year when I
> ordered mine or not and I don't know what the differences are. Wish
> someone would clear it up. I like my two-stroker just fine. Sometimes I
> wish it would cock with a single stroke (especially for timed events like
> metal silhouette competition). But then it would be too hard to cock. I'd
> like to know what the difference is between my -65 and the new model.
>
> The power of the rifle is fine . . . .I can hear the difference between
> CPLs and CPHs at 30 yards. At 1,015 FPS the CPL pellets get there in a
> hurry for sure. I'm not sure which is best for silhouette competition
> (heavier/slower or lighter/faster).
>
> Ken
>
> At 10:00 AM 4/28/2003 -0700, you wrote:
> >Perhaps i'm getting way out of touch and my ramblings are dated? I know
> >in the olden days the JW70 series needed THREE cocking strokes. Is John
> >now producing a model "70" that takes fewer strokes? BTW, i once asked him
> >to consider making a sidelever PISTOL version of his gun, but he
> >refused. Too bad.
> >
> >Hint, lightly oil the gear racks and esp the pinion gear pivot bolt on
> >occasion to maintain smoothness and avoid wear. This is the ONLY
> >maintenance i have found nessesary on my guns besides barrel cleaning.
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> >
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> Message: 5
> Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 13:46:11 -0500
> From: Ken Ridout < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=NWKQminENhmzmRKYF0epGabxvatCNAvwPWUVd1eH3mBE29-gKXhl0anYO3mtdu_DF4pXz2whhndOj4s >
> Subject: Re: Re: JW-80 / TX-200 vs Starlings
>
> Robb, have you made arrangements to buy a Whiscombe yet?
>
> I know you like springers . . . . you'll love a Whiscombe. Remember, it
> took 9 months for mine to arrive.
>
> Ken
>
> At 03:16 PM 4/28/2003 +0000, you wrote:
> >Yep, my guess is your experience is like the magician pulling the
> >tablecloth out from under a fully-set table--yet nothing is
> >disturbed. If you do it quickly enough and with enough force, the
> >inertia of the dishes leaves them undisturbed.
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> Message: 6
> Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 11:59:52 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Leo Duran < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=OFHgeEd3H8-rqpdw9SNFzZpaKFLynZfs1T6hYEFfeX0SOovg6ZoVmbDr8uh8HYbD0Kd6_-3trnGK >
> Subject: Re: Digest Number 4
>
> I've only been checking out JW's web-site for the last
> year... so I don't know about previous history.
>
> As I understand it, based on his latest "soft spring"
> changes the model# are going to be:
> Last year => This year
> Model 50 => 60 (2 strokes)
> Model 65 => 70 (2 strokes)
> Model 80 => 80 (3 strokes) - no change in model#
>
> This is the site I've looking at:
http://www.webdev100.fsnet.co.uk/index.html
>
> Ken, is that the same site you visited? I did not see
> any listing for a -67, so maybe I've been looking at
> the wrong one?
>
> Leo.
>
> --- Ken Ridout < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=NWKQminENhmzmRKYF0epGabxvatCNAvwPWUVd1eH3mBE29-gKXhl0anYO3mtdu_DF4pXz2whhndOj4s > wrote:
> > I'm confused, too.
> >
> > I thought I read (on the Anything Goes forum) that
> > the last of the -65's
> > were out the door and the new model (someone called
> > it the -70) was taking
> > its place. I do remember that there was a previous
> > -70 model taking
> > 3-strokes and wondered how he would duplicate that
> > previous model
> > nomenclature for a new, different rifle.
> >
> > I just went to the JW website and found that the -65
> > is now called the -67,
> > MK II. I don't remember if it was called the MK II
> > last year when I
> > ordered mine or not and I don't know what the
> > differences are. Wish
> > someone would clear it up. I like my two-stroker
> > just fine. Sometimes I
> > wish it would cock with a single stroke (especially
> > for timed events like
> > metal silhouette competition). But then it would be
> > too hard to cock. I'd
> > like to know what the difference is between my -65
> > and the new model.
> >
> > The power of the rifle is fine . . . .I can hear the
> > difference between
> > CPLs and CPHs at 30 yards. At 1,015 FPS the CPL
> > pellets get there in a
> > hurry for sure. I'm not sure which is best for
> > silhouette competition
> > (heavier/slower or lighter/faster).
> >
> > Ken
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > At 10:00 AM 4/28/2003 -0700, you wrote:
> > >Perhaps i'm getting way out of touch and my
> > ramblings are dated? I know
> > >in the olden days the JW70 series needed THREE
> > cocking strokes. Is John
> > >now producing a model "70" that takes fewer
> > strokes? BTW, i once asked him
> > >to consider making a sidelever PISTOL version of
> > his gun, but he
> > >refused. Too bad.
> > >
> > >Hint, lightly oil the gear racks and esp the pinion
> > gear pivot bolt on
> > >occasion to maintain smoothness and avoid wear.
> > This is the ONLY
> > >maintenance i have found nessesary on my guns
> > besides barrel cleaning.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> > > http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=iJZom3QkmHsIlssvemKO3V2ehbnCqU0dKX0P_sIHLq4f_Wu45xgtjbNdmSBo2LGcIlAW-Jv8DRanO26GYxVKu4LMMgfkDuGJrUuIf1k
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> > >
> > >
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> Message: 7
> Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 15:33:24 -0500
> From: Ken Ridout < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=NWKQminENhmzmRKYF0epGabxvatCNAvwPWUVd1eH3mBE29-gKXhl0anYO3mtdu_DF4pXz2whhndOj4s >
> Subject: Re: Digest Number 4
>
> Yes, same site. And I don't know where the "67" nomenclature that I typed
> came from. I guess I was thinking 65 MK-2 and simply added the numbers 65
> + 2 together to come up with something that doesn't exist. (chuckle) I'm
> mildly dyslexic and also my mind thinks ahead of my mouth and fingers on
> its own sometimes.
>
> Ken
>
> At 11:59 AM 4/28/2003 -0700, you wrote:
> >I've only been checking out JW's web-site for the last
> >year... so I don't know about previous history.
> >
> >As I understand it, based on his latest "soft spring"
> >changes the model# are going to be:
> >Last year => This year
> > Model 50 => 60 (2 strokes)
> > Model 65 => 70 (2 strokes)
> > Model 80 => 80 (3 strokes) - no change in model#
> >
> >This is the site I've looking at:
> > http://www.webdev100.fsnet.co.uk/index.html
> >
> >Ken, is that the same site you visited? I did not see
> >any listing for a -67, so maybe I've been looking at
> >the wrong one?
> >
> >Leo.
> >
> >
> >--- Ken Ridout < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=NWKQminENhmzmRKYF0epGabxvatCNAvwPWUVd1eH3mBE29-gKXhl0anYO3mtdu_DF4pXz2whhndOj4s > wrote:
> > > I'm confused, too.
> > >
> > > I thought I read (on the Anything Goes forum) that
> > > the last of the -65's
> > > were out the door and the new model (someone called
> > > it the -70) was taking
> > > its place. I do remember that there was a previous
> > > -70 model taking
> > > 3-strokes and wondered how he would duplicate that
> > > previous model
> > > nomenclature for a new, different rifle.
> > >
> > > I just went to the JW website and found that the -65
> > > is now called the -67,
> > > MK II. I don't remember if it was called the MK II
> > > last year when I
> > > ordered mine or not and I don't know what the
> > > differences are. Wish
> > > someone would clear it up. I like my two-stroker
> > > just fine. Sometimes I
> > > wish it would cock with a single stroke (especially
> > > for timed events like
> > > metal silhouette competition). But then it would be
> > > too hard to cock. I'd
> > > like to know what the difference is between my -65
> > > and the new model.
> > >
> > > The power of the rifle is fine . . . .I can hear the
> > > difference between
> > > CPLs and CPHs at 30 yards. At 1,015 FPS the CPL
> > > pellets get there in a
> > > hurry for sure. I'm not sure which is best for
> > > silhouette competition
> > > (heavier/slower or lighter/faster).
> > >
> > > Ken
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > At 10:00 AM 4/28/2003 -0700, you wrote:
> > > >Perhaps i'm getting way out of touch and my
> > > ramblings are dated? I know
> > > >in the olden days the JW70 series needed THREE
> > > cocking strokes. Is John
> > > >now producing a model "70" that takes fewer
> > > strokes? BTW, i once asked him
> > > >to consider making a sidelever PISTOL version of
> > > his gun, but he
> > > >refused. Too bad.
> > > >
> > > >Hint, lightly oil the gear racks and esp the pinion
> > > gear pivot bolt on
> > > >occasion to maintain smoothness and avoid wear.
> > > This is the ONLY
> > > >maintenance i have found nessesary on my guns
> > > besides barrel cleaning.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
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> >
> >
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> Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 21:12:31 -0000
> From: "fwbrobbw" < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=9yL-bHpSMdkVZtO_0cHzGkUpvXwgeA-YNu-WF8KqnWxRKzdptHI6pTZP-YSfdIr43VrDso0Tdv6fHJ8 >
> Subject: Re: JW-80 / TX-200 vs Starlings
>
> Not yet, but it's on my list of guns to get. I'm getting a 75U in
> as soon as some parts can be found, so I'll get to play around with
> a soft-cocking giss gun when that happens.
>
> A soft-cocking Whizzer is what I'm really after. I would have liked
> a JW50 set under 12FPE. That, or if he ever came out with a "match"
> version. Was the JW50 a one-stroke or two? As you know I really
> love the 10M match springers, and I don't feel a need to get a
> really hard-hitting gun. I have a ProElite and ZM Steyr that hit
> hard, and that's more than enough for my collection.
>
> Maybe a used 50 if I can find one, or maybe his newest guns cock as
> easy as the old 50, I don't know. I'm with you though--single
> stroke is best for Silhouette if the effort is manageable.
>
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> Message: 9
> Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 16:50:36 -0500
> From: Ken Ridout < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=NWKQminENhmzmRKYF0epGabxvatCNAvwPWUVd1eH3mBE29-gKXhl0anYO3mtdu_DF4pXz2whhndOj4s >
> Subject: Re: Re: JW-80 / TX-200 vs Starlings
>
> I've been timing myself with the Whiscombe to see if I can get off 5 shots
> in the 2-1/2 minute time period. It's close! By the time I get the rifle
> double-cocked, loaded, up to my shoulder, relax, find the proper target,
> and beginn the concentration to fire; many seconds have transpired. The
> saving grace is that for the first shot, you have 15 seconds to do all that
> preparation and; you can shoot as soon as the man says "fuego" or
> "fire". That instant begins the 2-1/2 minutes. So I really have 2-1/2
> minutes for the four following shots.
>
> I think I can score just about as well with the Whizzer as I can with my
> Steyr. (upper 20's to low 30's). There's absolutely no "muzzle flip" with
> the Whizzer, so where it's pointed is where I see the pellet hit. The
> Whiscombe platform is more stable for off-hand shooting, too (in my opinion).
>
> You'll like a GISS gun. They are every bit as intriguing as the sliding
> action 300S.
>
> Find the proper target (from above). I can't tell you how many times I've
> shot the wrong chicken! With a 35X scope, all I can see is one chicken at
> a time. Once, I steadied so quickly on the chicken so quickly and easily
> that I thought, "might as well shoot . . . it's never going to get better
> than this!" I shot and then heard, "Ken, you shot one of my chickens"
> from the shooter adjacent to me. Oh, phooey! (and it was such a good,
> clean, dead-center hit). Now, I count over and up to the target chicken
> before getting serious about shooting. That takes a couple or three
> seconds. Added to the double-cocking and loading, I may not have time for
> the rest of the process.
>
> Ken
>
> At 09:12 PM 4/28/2003 +0000, you wrote:
> >Not yet, but it's on my list of guns to get. I'm getting a 75U in
> >as soon as some parts can be found, so I'll get to play around with
> >a soft-cocking giss gun when that happens.
> >
> >A soft-cocking Whizzer is what I'm really after. I would have liked
> >a JW50 set under 12FPE. That, or if he ever came out with a "match"
> >version. Was the JW50 a one-stroke or two? As you know I really
> >love the 10M match springers, and I don't feel a need to get a
> >really hard-hitting gun. I have a ProElite and ZM Steyr that hit
> >hard, and that's more than enough for my collection.
> >
> >Maybe a used 50 if I can find one, or maybe his newest guns cock as
> >easy as the old 50, I don't know. I'm with you though--single
> >stroke is best for Silhouette if the effort is manageable.
> >
> >
> >
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> Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 01:39:50 -0000
> From: "Marc A Myers" < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=gdcFbHdXsb4v2av8CgZiDjrFqDH54dVpqCkRzcxcCVHpRXYEf2DAwwKaqMRpd-D-no7ZWTeg523kxOY6dfE >
> Subject: Re: JW-80 / TX-200 vs Starlings
>
> Uh Robb ! Ken's lookin for a 75 U too ! Kinda like dangglin a Porter
> House in front of a Rottweiler, aint it ? and are you absoluteley
> certain you wouldn't rather have a JW 65 ?--- In
http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=v-csN8pWP_Z9krZUDDqcBZEHQfVZHQiOSwXLKkLaL0rqoPX3OUmj0v6ZD4z4nGpJkadVwwg8SdADUs05ODZ- , "fwbrobbw" <fwbrobbw@y...> wrote:
> > Not yet, but it's on my list of guns to get. I'm getting a 75U in
> > as soon as some parts can be found, so I'll get to play around
> with
> > a soft-cocking giss gun when that happens.
> >
> > A soft-cocking Whizzer is what I'm really after. I would have
> liked
> > a JW50 set under 12FPE. That, or if he ever came out with
> a "match"
> > version. Was the JW50 a one-stroke or two? As you know I really
> > love the 10M match springers, and I don't feel a need to get a
> > really hard-hitting gun. I have a ProElite and ZM Steyr that hit
> > hard, and that's more than enough for my collection.
> >
> > Maybe a used 50 if I can find one, or maybe his newest guns cock
> as
> > easy as the old 50, I don't know. I'm with you though--single
> > stroke is best for Silhouette if the effort is manageable.
>
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> Message: 11
> Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 21:45:07 -0500
> From: Ken Ridout < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=NWKQminENhmzmRKYF0epGabxvatCNAvwPWUVd1eH3mBE29-gKXhl0anYO3mtdu_DF4pXz2whhndOj4s >
> Subject: Re: Re: JW-80 / TX-200 vs Starlings
>
> Yeah, Robb.
> I want a 75U, too . . . mainly because I like the more sporting look of the
> stock. My 75T01 is being refurbished by the expert right now. It won't
> ever be for sale (in my lifetime) unless a beautiful 75U comes available.
> Then, I'll have a big decision to make.
>
> Have I ever steered you wrong? You'd absolutely love a Whiscombe. (but,
> no . . .you can't have mine).
>
> Ken
>
> At 01:39 AM 4/29/2003 +0000, you wrote:
> >Uh Robb ! Ken's lookin for a 75 U too ! Kinda like dangglin a Porter
> >House in front of a Rottweiler, aint it ? and are you absoluteley
> >certain you wouldn't rather have a JW 65 ?--- In
> > http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=v-csN8pWP_Z9krZUDDqcBZEHQfVZHQiOSwXLKkLaL0rqoPX3OUmj0v6ZD4z4nGpJkadVwwg8SdADUs05ODZ- , "fwbrobbw" <fwbrobbw@y...> wrote:
> > > Not yet, but it's on my list of guns to get. I'm getting a 75U in
> > > as soon as some parts can be found, so I'll get to play around
> >with
> > > a soft-cocking giss gun when that happens.
> > >
> > > A soft-cocking Whizzer is what I'm really after. I would have
> >liked
> > > a JW50 set under 12FPE. That, or if he ever came out with
> >a "match"
> > > version. Was the JW50 a one-stroke or two? As you know I really
> > > love the 10M match springers, and I don't feel a need to get a
> > > really hard-hitting gun. I have a ProElite and ZM Steyr that hit
> > > hard, and that's more than enough for my collection.
> > >
> > > Maybe a used 50 if I can find one, or maybe his newest guns cock
> >as
> > > easy as the old 50, I don't know. I'm with you though--single
> > > stroke is best for Silhouette if the effort is manageable.
> >
> >
> >
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> Message: 12
> Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 03:08:10 -0000
> From: "fwbrobbw" < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=9yL-bHpSMdkVZtO_0cHzGkUpvXwgeA-YNu-WF8KqnWxRKzdptHI6pTZP-YSfdIr43VrDso0Tdv6fHJ8 >
> Subject: Re: JW-80 / TX-200 vs Starlings
>
> Ken's lookin for a 75 U too ! Kinda like dangglin a Porter
> > House in front of a Rottweiler, aint it ?
>
> LOL. Yeah maybe, but on the other hand he already has a 75HV so I
> don't feel too badly.
>
> and are you absoluteley
> > certain you wouldn't rather have a JW 65 ?--- Sure am, the line is
> longer for a good-condition 75! I'll get a JW someday, but I'd like
> to get my 10M guns first since the timing can be trickier. Maybe by
> then there will be a lower-power JW offered--now that would be sweet.
>
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> Message: 13
> Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 03:11:05 -0000
> From: "fwbrobbw" < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=9yL-bHpSMdkVZtO_0cHzGkUpvXwgeA-YNu-WF8KqnWxRKzdptHI6pTZP-YSfdIr43VrDso0Tdv6fHJ8 >
> Subject: Re: JW-80 / TX-200 vs Starlings
>
> Have I ever steered you wrong?
>
> No way, your advice is always spot on! You know I've got a Whiscomb
> in my sights--I just have a couple of other collectibles to find
> first as they become available.
>
> You'd absolutely love a Whiscombe. (but,
> > no . . .you can't have mine).
>
> But can I rent to own? LOL
>
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From: Ken Ridout < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=sOmsC_BRzTFwMQE_o14hSht4dnQ7cCVfIZJao9gLGY3NBHX_MM5U-F58JoZFNdSQ8z6hAWzt81M >
Date: Tue Apr 29, 2003 10:21pm
Subject: Re: Digest Number 5

 

Stupid me.  I could have easily looked at my -65 and have seen that it is a "Mark II". 

John is still advertising the -65, so maybe it was just rumor that it was discontinued.

LD,
Many of us thought that all Whiscombes were complete manufactured by JW himself.  You wrote in a thread once that, "what makes you think John Whiscombe builds all his rifles himself."  No one responded to that statement. 

Do you know the specifics about the manufacture of the Whiscombes?  Does John fabricate the parts himself or sub them out to machine shops?  Does he assemble them himself or have employees?  Where does he get his gun stocks?   I've always had this somewhat romantic idea that he does everything in his own workshop.

I'd just like to know a little more about the manufacture of these special rifles.

Ken

At 10:10 AM 4/29/2003 -0700, you wrote:

I have fired decent Silhouette scores years ago using my tip-barrel three-cocker JW75 and alm,ost never ran out of time.  Its really a bit too powerful as it sends some of animals out too far past the berms.  The JW50 tipbarrel is really sweet, and believe it or not, mine can punch out over 17fpe with the
.22 cal barrel fitted, tho it only puts out 13.5fpe in .177.

About the "MK II" designation ... this refers to the latest series with thicker receiver tube.  I'm pretty sure JW80 guns are "MKII", since they intro'd the new action.  My JW60 MKII is serial #1 of that size ... but each size has a #1.
Looking at the action, it looks "smoother" and thicker than the older series.

ld

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>       1. JW-80 / TX-200 vs Starlings
>            From: "xenon552000"
>       2. Re: JW-80 / TX-200 vs Starlings
>            From: "fwbrobbw"
>       3. Re: Digest Number 4
>            From: lhdurham
>       4. Re: Digest Number 4
>            From: Ken Ridout
>       5. Re: Re: JW-80 / TX-200 vs Starlings
>            From: Ken Ridout
>       6. Re: Digest Number 4
>            From: Leo Duran
>       7. Re: Digest Number 4
>            From: Ken Ridout
>       8. Re: JW-80 / TX-200 vs Starlings
>            From: "fwbrobbw"
>       9. Re: Re: JW-80 / TX-200 vs Starlings
>            From: Ken Ridout
>      10. Re: JW-80 / TX-200 vs Starlings
>            From: "Marc A Myers"
>      11. Re: Re: JW-80 / TX-200 vs Starlings
>            From: Ken Ridout
>      12. Re: JW-80 / TX-200 vs Starlings
>            From: "fwbrobbw"
>      13. Re: JW-80 / TX-200 vs Starlings
>            From: "fwbrobbw"
>
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> Message: 1
>    Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 14:57:11 -0000
>    From: "xenon552000"
> Subject: JW-80 / TX-200 vs Starlings
>
> Gentlemen ... and ladies as well:
>
> You fellows rather re-kindled my desire to shoot my JW-80.
>
> Yesterday (shooting CPs in both guns) whilst popping starlings off my
> bird feeders at 40 yards, I noticed that my 22 cal TX-200 would knock
> the critters clean off their perch. However, when using the JW, Mr.
> Starling would just keel over. All hits resulted in pellet pass-
> through.
>
> Indeed, I do understand that the 22 cal JW pellet hits harder (has
> more velocity) than the TX. Can it be that the higher velocity JW
> pellet just zips through the target so quickly that the inertia of
> the bird's body allows it to remain relatively unmoved? Theories and
> explanations welcomed. Thanks.
>
> Regards,
> ProfHoff
>
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> Message: 2
>    Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 15:16:32 -0000
>    From: "fwbrobbw"
> Subject: Re: JW-80 / TX-200 vs Starlings
>
> Yep, my guess is your experience is like the magician pulling the
> tablecloth out from under a fully-set table--yet nothing is
> disturbed.  If you do it quickly enough and with enough force, the
> inertia of the dishes leaves them undisturbed.
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
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>
> Message: 3
>    Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 10:00:14 -0700
>    From: lhdurham
> Subject: Re: Digest Number 4
>
> Perhaps i'm getting way out of touch and my ramblings are dated?  I know in the olden days the JW70 series needed THREE cocking strokes.  Is John now producing a model "70" that takes fewer strokes? BTW, i once asked him to consider making a sidelever PISTOL version of his gun, but he refused.  Too bad.
>
> Hint, lightly oil the gear racks and esp the pinion gear pivot bolt on occasion to maintain smoothness and avoid wear.  This is the ONLY maintenance i have found nessesary on my guns besides barrel cleaning.
>
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>
> Message: 4
>    Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 13:44:56 -0500
>    From: Ken Ridout
> Subject: Re: Digest Number 4
>
> I'm confused, too.
>
> I thought I read (on the Anything Goes forum) that the last of the -65's
> were out the door and the new model (someone called it the -70) was taking
> its place.  I do remember that there was a previous -70 model taking
> 3-strokes and wondered how he would duplicate that previous model
> nomenclature for a new, different rifle.
>
> I just went to the JW website and found that the -65 is now called the -67,
> MK II.  I don't remember if it was called the MK II last year when I
> ordered mine or not and I don't know what the differences are.  Wish
> someone would clear it up.  I like my two-stroker just fine.  Sometimes I
> wish it would cock with a single stroke (especially for timed events like
> metal silhouette competition).  But then it would be too hard to cock.  I'd
> like to know what the difference is between my -65 and the new model.
>
> The power of the rifle is fine . . . .I can hear the difference between
> CPLs and CPHs at 30 yards.  At 1,015  FPS the CPL pellets get there in a
> hurry for sure.  I'm not sure which is best for silhouette competition
> (heavier/slower or lighter/faster).
>
> Ken
>
> At 10:00 AM 4/28/2003 -0700, you wrote:
> >Perhaps i'm getting way out of touch and my ramblings are dated?  I know
> >in the olden days the JW70 series needed THREE cocking strokes.  Is John
> >now producing a model "70" that takes fewer strokes? BTW, i once asked him
> >to consider making a sidelever PISTOL version of his gun, but he
> >refused.  Too bad.
> >
> >Hint, lightly oil the gear racks and esp the pinion gear pivot bolt on
> >occasion to maintain smoothness and avoid wear.  This is the ONLY
> >maintenance i have found nessesary on my guns besides barrel cleaning.
> >
> >
> >
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> Message: 5
>    Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 13:46:11 -0500
>    From: Ken Ridout
> Subject: Re: Re: JW-80 / TX-200 vs Starlings
>
> Robb, have you made arrangements to buy a Whiscombe yet?
>
> I know you like springers . . . . you'll love a Whiscombe.  Remember, it
> took 9 months for mine to arrive.
>
> Ken
>
> At 03:16 PM 4/28/2003 +0000, you wrote:
> >Yep, my guess is your experience is like the magician pulling the
> >tablecloth out from under a fully-set table--yet nothing is
> >disturbed.  If you do it quickly enough and with enough force, the
> >inertia of the dishes leaves them undisturbed.
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> Message: 6
>    Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 11:59:52 -0700 (PDT)
>    From: Leo Duran
> Subject: Re: Digest Number 4
>
> I've only been checking out JW's web-site for the last
> year... so I don't know about previous history.
>
> As I understand it, based on his latest "soft spring"
> changes the model# are going to be:
> Last year => This year
>  Model 50 => 60 (2 strokes)
>  Model 65 => 70 (2 strokes)
>  Model 80 => 80 (3 strokes) - no change in model#
>
> This is the site I've looking at:
http://www.webdev100.fsnet.co.uk/index.html
>
> Ken, is that the same site you visited?  I did not see
> any listing for a -67, so maybe I've been looking at
> the wrong one?
>
> Leo.
>
> --- Ken Ridout wrote:
> > I'm confused, too.
> >
> > I thought I read (on the Anything Goes forum) that
> > the last of the -65's
> > were out the door and the new model (someone called
> > it the -70) was taking
> > its place.  I do remember that there was a previous
> > -70 model taking
> > 3-strokes and wondered how he would duplicate that
> > previous model
> > nomenclature for a new, different rifle.
> >
> > I just went to the JW website and found that the -65
> > is now called the -67,
> > MK II.  I don't remember if it was called the MK II
> > last year when I
> > ordered mine or not and I don't know what the
> > differences are.  Wish
> > someone would clear it up.  I like my two-stroker
> > just fine.  Sometimes I
> > wish it would cock with a single stroke (especially
> > for timed events like
> > metal silhouette competition).  But then it would be
> > too hard to cock.  I'd
> > like to know what the difference is between my -65
> > and the new model.
> >
> > The power of the rifle is fine . . . .I can hear the
> > difference between
> > CPLs and CPHs at 30 yards.  At 1,015  FPS the CPL
> > pellets get there in a
> > hurry for sure.  I'm not sure which is best for
> > silhouette competition
> > (heavier/slower or lighter/faster).
> >
> > Ken
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > At 10:00 AM 4/28/2003 -0700, you wrote:
> > >Perhaps i'm getting way out of touch and my
> > ramblings are dated?  I know
> > >in the olden days the JW70 series needed THREE
> > cocking strokes.  Is John
> > >now producing a model "70" that takes fewer
> > strokes? BTW, i once asked him
> > >to consider making a sidelever PISTOL version of
> > his gun, but he
> > >refused.  Too bad.
> > >
> > >Hint, lightly oil the gear racks and esp the pinion
> > gear pivot bolt on
> > >occasion to maintain smoothness and avoid wear.
> > This is the ONLY
> > >maintenance i have found nessesary on my guns
> > besides barrel cleaning.
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> > >
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> >
>
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> Message: 7
>    Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 15:33:24 -0500
>    From: Ken Ridout
> Subject: Re: Digest Number 4
>
> Yes, same site.  And I don't know where the "67" nomenclature that I typed
> came from.  I guess I was thinking 65 MK-2 and simply added the numbers 65
> + 2 together to come up with something that doesn't exist.  (chuckle)  I'm
> mildly dyslexic and also my mind thinks ahead of my mouth and fingers on
> its own sometimes.
>
> Ken
>
>   At 11:59 AM 4/28/2003 -0700, you wrote:
> >I've only been checking out JW's web-site for the last
> >year... so I don't know about previous history.
> >
> >As I understand it, based on his latest "soft spring"
> >changes the model# are going to be:
> >Last year => This year
> >  Model 50 => 60 (2 strokes)
> >  Model 65 => 70 (2 strokes)
> >  Model 80 => 80 (3 strokes) - no change in model#
> >
> >This is the site I've looking at:
> > http://www.webdev100.fsnet.co.uk/index.html
> >
> >Ken, is that the same site you visited?  I did not see
> >any listing for a -67, so maybe I've been looking at
> >the wrong one?
> >
> >Leo.
> >
> >
> >--- Ken Ridout wrote:
> > > I'm confused, too.
> > >
> > > I thought I read (on the Anything Goes forum) that
> > > the last of the -65's
> > > were out the door and the new model (someone called
> > > it the -70) was taking
> > > its place.  I do remember that there was a previous
> > > -70 model taking
> > > 3-strokes and wondered how he would duplicate that
> > > previous model
> > > nomenclature for a new, different rifle.
> > >
> > > I just went to the JW website and found that the -65
> > > is now called the -67,
> > > MK II.  I don't remember if it was called the MK II
> > > last year when I
> > > ordered mine or not and I don't know what the
> > > differences are.  Wish
> > > someone would clear it up.  I like my two-stroker
> > > just fine.  Sometimes I
> > > wish it would cock with a single stroke (especially
> > > for timed events like
> > > metal silhouette competition).  But then it would be
> > > too hard to cock.  I'd
> > > like to know what the difference is between my -65
> > > and the new model.
> > >
> > > The power of the rifle is fine . . . .I can hear the
> > > difference between
> > > CPLs and CPHs at 30 yards.  At 1,015  FPS the CPL
> > > pellets get there in a
> > > hurry for sure.  I'm not sure which is best for
> > > silhouette competition
> > > (heavier/slower or lighter/faster).
> > >
> > > Ken
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > At 10:00 AM 4/28/2003 -0700, you wrote:
> > > >Perhaps i'm getting way out of touch and my
> > > ramblings are dated?  I know
> > > >in the olden days the JW70 series needed THREE
> > > cocking strokes.  Is John
> > > >now producing a model "70" that takes fewer
> > > strokes? BTW, i once asked him
> > > >to consider making a sidelever PISTOL version of
> > > his gun, but he
> > > >refused.  Too bad.
> > > >
> > > >Hint, lightly oil the gear racks and esp the pinion
> > > gear pivot bolt on
> > > >occasion to maintain smoothness and avoid wear.
> > > This is the ONLY
> > > >maintenance i have found nessesary on my guns
> > > besides barrel cleaning.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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> Message: 8
>    Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 21:12:31 -0000
>    From: "fwbrobbw"
> Subject: Re: JW-80 / TX-200 vs Starlings
>
> Not yet, but it's on my list of guns to get.  I'm getting a 75U in
> as soon as some parts can be found, so I'll get to play around with
> a soft-cocking giss gun when that happens.
>
> A soft-cocking Whizzer is what I'm really after.  I would have liked
> a JW50 set under 12FPE.  That, or if he ever came out with a "match"
> version.  Was the JW50 a one-stroke or two?  As you know I really
> love the 10M match springers, and I don't feel a need to get a
> really hard-hitting gun.  I have a ProElite and ZM Steyr that hit
> hard, and that's more than enough for my collection.
>
> Maybe a used 50 if I can find one, or maybe his newest guns cock as
> easy as the old 50, I don't know.  I'm with you though--single
> stroke is best for Silhouette if the effort is manageable.
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
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> Message: 9
>    Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 16:50:36 -0500
>    From: Ken Ridout
> Subject: Re: Re: JW-80 / TX-200 vs Starlings
>
> I've been timing myself with the Whiscombe to see if I can get off 5 shots
> in the 2-1/2 minute time period.  It's close!  By the time I get the rifle
> double-cocked, loaded, up to my shoulder, relax, find the proper target,
> and beginn the concentration to fire; many seconds have transpired.  The
> saving grace is that for the first shot, you have 15 seconds to do all that
> preparation and; you can shoot as soon as the man says "fuego" or
> "fire".  That instant begins the 2-1/2 minutes.  So I really have 2-1/2
> minutes for the four following shots.
>
> I think I can score just about as well with the Whizzer as I can with my
> Steyr.  (upper 20's to low 30's).  There's absolutely no "muzzle flip" with
> the Whizzer, so where it's pointed is where I see the pellet hit.  The
> Whiscombe platform is more stable for off-hand shooting, too (in my opinion).
>
> You'll like a GISS gun.  They are every bit as intriguing  as the sliding
> action 300S.
>
> Find the proper target (from above).  I can't tell you how many times I've
> shot the wrong chicken!  With a 35X scope, all I can see is one chicken at
> a time.  Once, I steadied so quickly on the chicken so quickly and easily
> that I thought, "might as well shoot . . . it's never going to get better
> than this!"   I shot and then heard, "Ken, you shot one of my chickens"
> from the shooter adjacent to me.  Oh, phooey!  (and it was such a good,
> clean, dead-center hit).   Now, I count over and up to the target chicken
> before getting serious about shooting.  That takes a couple or three
> seconds.  Added to the double-cocking and loading, I may not have time for
> the rest of the process.
>
> Ken
>
> At 09:12 PM 4/28/2003 +0000, you wrote:
> >Not yet, but it's on my list of guns to get.  I'm getting a 75U in
> >as soon as some parts can be found, so I'll get to play around with
> >a soft-cocking giss gun when that happens.
> >
> >A soft-cocking Whizzer is what I'm really after.  I would have liked
> >a JW50 set under 12FPE.  That, or if he ever came out with a "match"
> >version.  Was the JW50 a one-stroke or two?  As you know I really
> >love the 10M match springers, and I don't feel a need to get a
> >really hard-hitting gun.  I have a ProElite and ZM Steyr that hit
> >hard, and that's more than enough for my collection.
> >
> >Maybe a used 50 if I can find one, or maybe his newest guns cock as
> >easy as the old 50, I don't know.  I'm with you though--single
> >stroke is best for Silhouette if the effort is manageable.
> >
> >
> >
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> Message: 10
>    Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 01:39:50 -0000
>    From: "Marc A Myers"
> Subject: Re: JW-80 / TX-200 vs Starlings
>
> Uh Robb ! Ken's lookin for a 75 U too ! Kinda like dangglin a Porter
> House in front of a Rottweiler, aint it ? and are you absoluteley
> certain you wouldn't rather have a JW 65 ?--- In
> Whiscombe@yahoogroups.com, "fwbrobbw" wrote:
> > Not yet, but it's on my list of guns to get.  I'm getting a 75U in
> > as soon as some parts can be found, so I'll get to play around
> with
> > a soft-cocking giss gun when that happens.
> >
> > A soft-cocking Whizzer is what I'm really after.  I would have
> liked
> > a JW50 set under 12FPE.  That, or if he ever came out with
> a "match"
> > version.  Was the JW50 a one-stroke or two?  As you know I really
> > love the 10M match springers, and I don't feel a need to get a
> > really hard-hitting gun.  I have a ProElite and ZM Steyr that hit
> > hard, and that's more than enough for my collection.
> >
> > Maybe a used 50 if I can find one, or maybe his newest guns cock
> as
> > easy as the old 50, I don't know.  I'm with you though--single
> > stroke is best for Silhouette if the effort is manageable.
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
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>
> Message: 11
>    Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 21:45:07 -0500
>    From: Ken Ridout
> Subject: Re: Re: JW-80 / TX-200 vs Starlings
>
> Yeah, Robb.
> I want a 75U, too . . . mainly because I like the more sporting look of the
> stock.  My 75T01 is being refurbished by the expert right now.  It won't
> ever be for sale (in my lifetime) unless a beautiful 75U comes available.
> Then, I'll have a big decision to make.
>
> Have I ever steered you wrong?  You'd absolutely love a Whiscombe.  (but,
> no . . .you can't have mine).
>
> Ken
>
> At 01:39 AM 4/29/2003 +0000, you wrote:
> >Uh Robb ! Ken's lookin for a 75 U too ! Kinda like dangglin a Porter
> >House in front of a Rottweiler, aint it ? and are you absoluteley
> >certain you wouldn't rather have a JW 65 ?--- In
> >Whiscombe@yahoogroups.com, "fwbrobbw" wrote:
> > > Not yet, but it's on my list of guns to get.  I'm getting a 75U in
> > > as soon as some parts can be found, so I'll get to play around
> >with
> > > a soft-cocking giss gun when that happens.
> > >
> > > A soft-cocking Whizzer is what I'm really after.  I would have
> >liked
> > > a JW50 set under 12FPE.  That, or if he ever came out with
> >a "match"
> > > version.  Was the JW50 a one-stroke or two?  As you know I really
> > > love the 10M match springers, and I don't feel a need to get a
> > > really hard-hitting gun.  I have a ProElite and ZM Steyr that hit
> > > hard, and that's more than enough for my collection.
> > >
> > > Maybe a used 50 if I can find one, or maybe his newest guns cock
> >as
> > > easy as the old 50, I don't know.  I'm with you though--single
> > > stroke is best for Silhouette if the effort is manageable.
> >
> >
> >
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> Message: 12
>    Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 03:08:10 -0000
>    From: "fwbrobbw"
> Subject: Re: JW-80 / TX-200 vs Starlings
>
> Ken's lookin for a 75 U too ! Kinda like dangglin a Porter
> > House in front of a Rottweiler, aint it ?
>
> LOL.  Yeah maybe, but on the other hand he already has a 75HV so I
> don't feel too badly.
>
> and are you absoluteley
> > certain you wouldn't rather have a JW 65 ?--- Sure am, the line is
> longer for a good-condition 75!  I'll get a JW someday, but I'd like
> to get my 10M guns first since the timing can be trickier.  Maybe by
> then there will be a lower-power JW offered--now that would be sweet.
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 13
>    Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 03:11:05 -0000
>    From: "fwbrobbw"
> Subject: Re: JW-80 / TX-200 vs Starlings
>
> Have I ever steered you wrong?
>
> No way, your advice is always spot on!  You know I've got a Whiscomb
> in my sights--I just have a couple of other collectibles to find
> first as they become available.
>
> You'd absolutely love a Whiscombe.  (but,
> > no . . .you can't have mine).
>
> But can I rent to own?  LOL
>
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From: Robert < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=v399nnpH5wBUBdhzaqlPHAwd53QRlYBm7qi91TSOHKFeBNQh--parHMSXoPc56FCeFavQ1KJDSw >
Date: Wed Apr 30, 2003 1:05am
Subject: Poppin' one inch groups

 

Finally the winter has lifted and reasonable weather is here. I have
been able to settle in with my JW80, and as per LD's advice, .22 is
the way to go. This gun shoots 14.3 CP pellets in one inch and less
at 50 yards. It pops a consistent 25 fpe at the muzzle and snaps
with some authority. To say the least, it is a gun that I enjoy
shooting. I tried one stalking crow hunt with it. The gun is a
brute, and the only shot I got was a good one at 60 yards. One
pellet, one headshot. Doesn't get any better than that.

38

From: Ken R < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=X6Wa7h4X2U7JKKvenZmLEDtvt9O_yWkl7F3U1lAD_1xii-o4YIuXMZr6Ar1aPJIUbODIkf_R8Enu >
Date: Wed Apr 30, 2003 2:39am
Subject: Whiscombe hardware

 

This afternoon, I couldn't hit POOP. I shot and shot and shot, but
the Whiscombe wouldn't hit the targets reliably at all. (this is
after bragging about how well it shot over the weekend). Go figure!

Well, anyway, I discovered that the H.O.T.S. system locking
adjustment had come loose and the big part (whatever its called) had
re-adjusted itself. Worse yet, the fact that it was loose really
affected accuracy I think. It was wobbly on the end of the barrel.

AHA! (I thought) well, now I don't know where it was originally
adjusted. Not such bad news, though; because I had planned to do a
fine adjustment procedure anyway. I tightened it up a bit and shot
some more. The accuracy and consistency stunk so I began trying to
find that spot with the H.O.T.S. so make it shoot good again. I
never found it after about an hour of trying. Maybe other hardware
is loose too.

Sure enough, the forestock is not being tightly held in place by the
two allen-head screws. I can squeeze the wood and it moves under the
screw heads on both sides. A little more investigation proved that
one of the allen screws (or threaded hole it goes in) is stripped.
The allen screw won't tighten. The other side feels tight, but is
not gripping the wood at all.

Any suggestions?

Ken

39

From: Ken Ridout < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=DS7HJwJA2Vr_VFUdidejvigyER5TOF4WSlvspBGxbVbNFkU_-EUeVZtSSNuMHX1kQpjP7DfiV25HoKJA >
Date: Wed Apr 30, 2003 3:10am
Subject: Re: Whiscombe hardware

 

I think I've discovered that the forestock screws are part of a shock-mounting assembly.  The screws tighten down; but not on the wood.  In fact, I don't think there's even any wood under the screw heads at all.  Instead, it appears that the screws have nothing to do with gripping the wood bits; but only hold a spacer in place. 

Capt. Bob, what does yours look like?  Can you squeeze and flex the forestock?

Ken

At 01:39 AM 4/30/2003 +0000, you wrote:

This afternoon, I couldn't hit POOP.  I shot and shot and shot, but
the Whiscombe wouldn't hit the targets reliably at all.  (this is
after bragging about how well it shot over the weekend). Go figure!

Well, anyway, I discovered that the H.O.T.S. system locking
adjustment had come loose and the big part (whatever its called) had
re-adjusted itself.  Worse yet, the fact that it was loose really
affected accuracy I think. It was wobbly on the end of the barrel. 

AHA!  (I thought) well, now I don't know where it was originally
adjusted.  Not such bad news, though; because I had planned to do a
fine adjustment procedure anyway.  I tightened it up a bit and shot
some more.  The accuracy and consistency stunk so I began trying to
find that spot with the H.O.T.S. so make it shoot good again.  I
never found it after about an hour of trying.  Maybe other hardware
is loose too. 

Sure enough, the forestock is not being tightly held in place by the
two allen-head screws.  I can squeeze the wood and it moves under the
screw heads on both sides.  A little more investigation proved that
one of the allen screws (or threaded hole it goes in) is stripped. 
The allen screw won't tighten.  The other side feels tight, but is
not gripping the wood at all. 

Any suggestions?

Ken

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From: Leo Duran < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=MT1ipWF6_xa1OvZHCV6qWipfSAASsVRknQX8OOTwXuu1nGG6jmO42-8mqyPPcLMT6-xy3XdbToJMsXPI >
Date: Wed Apr 30, 2003 3:31pm
Subject: Ken: What happened with the Leupold?

 

Ken, I noticed you said:
"I have a Bushnell Elite 4200 8-32X..."
And I saw you're bringing the Leupold 6.5-20 to LR.

Just wondering.
Leo.

41

From: Ken Ridout < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=R7-YHkMW7-zPvJRVCJ55cX58i_AkhiKqNJIeFuuJnJgsc7l8jJ0RPpx2Phc2ogGgD4HYxk0b1A2HI19i >
Date: Wed Apr 30, 2003 6:34pm
Subject: Re: Ken: What happened with the Leupold?

 

Yes, I'm selling a new-in-the-box Leupold to fund a new 14-35X silver Leupold (maybe the 50mm) from Premier for the Whiscombe.  It's cheaper to buy new than to get the one I have souped up and color changed.

do have a couple of 8-32X Bushnells.  I plan to get target dot reticles installed on both eventually.

Ken

At 02:31 PM 4/30/2003 +0000, you wrote:

Ken, I noticed you said:
"I have a Bushnell Elite 4200 8-32X..."
And I saw you're bringing the Leupold 6.5-20 to LR.

Just wondering.
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From: Marc A Myers < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=tr0tdgDXwneK2IgWP-waX1c5zlmrTkvBQzOtO3QnoAl4Mz_KALmVbC-t0QL57coelFs0gPUxmz2rgzs >
Date: Thu May 1, 2003 7:46am
Subject: Ran acrossed a good string on Whiscombes over on the F.T. forum

 

http://forums.delphiforums.com/FieldTarget/messages/?msg=2710.1
different forum no doubt but still lotsa information. we need to
extend an invitation to some of these guys. I'm sure they have
aquite a bit of their own experience to contribute. LD has had some
Beauts on his forum as well. Just a thought !

43

From: Arnold Bouchard Smith < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=8YZ4hkM81FQfFG83NgfCxbj4UUGuNTxeIk7f9EoUwAUCKqbXYwPcIwH9aP97jLnICZtQ8n56 >
Date: Fri May 2, 2003 5:41pm
Subject: TB scope recs?

 

Hello, I am negotiating on a jw50 with a tip barrel. I am usure of
what scope might fit the gun. Field target is a possible use of the
gun and most scope appear to be much too long, unless you have the
bell well past the loading port and elevated.

What options have others used?

44

From: Leo Duran < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=ZixiXAZkOSaeTD2fX-wGxenr3qDHAUwYxWwhv5249X40KjQx9faRj99iLKDKZs_cbV1DUZNK0NE2gg >
Date: Fri May 2, 2003 5:54pm
Subject: Re: TB scope recs?

 

Arnold,

At the recent "Cajun" FT match, Roz Sumpter had the
Burris 8-32x44 (#200859) mounted on his JW-50 tipper.

Leo.

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> Hello, I am negotiating on a jw50 with a tip
> barrel. I am usure of
> what scope might fit the gun. Field target is a
> possible use of the
> gun and most scope appear to be much too long,
> unless you have the
> bell well past the loading port and elevated.
>
> What options have others used?
>
>

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From: Tony Uriz < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=RhDsialF6AYLFi-9yNyv7GcsBnwpKs_smCq8dVQiXMOJO2hrfnlzqxCZWWc6fAKuT_tJctbuxN1z >
Date: Fri May 2, 2003 6:32pm
Subject: Re: TB scope recs?

 

Hi Arnold,

 

I have the older tip-up version JW75.  I have a Simmons 44 mag 6.5-20 with BKL forward reaching mounts.  I'm using the forward reaching mount "backwards" toward the ocular end of the scope, giving me even more room.  The scope is 14.5" long.

 

Tony

Arnold Bouchard Smith wrote:

Hello,  I am negotiating on a jw50 with a tip barrel.  I am usure of
what scope might fit the gun.  Field target is a possible use of the
gun and most scope appear to be much too long, unless you have the
bell well past the loading port and elevated.

What options have others used?

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From: Ken Ridout < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=WzePOjyNKQ8y5SyZ9GRcug0b-cAeswhjL4VhAvt-z7uS8xmbkKt63Ur7Rl5isRgofKyMaZfAdg >
Date: Sun May 4, 2003 3:58am
Subject: Re: TB scope recs?

 

I have no personal experience with tip-barrel Whiscombes or FT, but"
My friend here in Dallas as a Leupold 6.5-20 EFR and it fits his "tipper" just fine.  If for field target, get Premier Reticles to soup it up to 13-35X for better magnification and range finding. 

Ken

At 04:41 PM 5/2/2003 +0000, you wrote:

Hello,  I am negotiating on a jw50 with a tip barrel.  I am usure of
what scope might fit the gun.  Field target is a possible use of the
gun and most scope appear to be much too long, unless you have the
bell well past the loading port and elevated.

What options have others used?

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From: Ken R < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=zltmtIUgs9yYNMhDRaquscCCEmzLe0Zg5HIko9Pz7XkiHDd8Q2RNPmdNBiasP5mm6FymZAHPVkV6k9Xp >
Date: Sun May 4, 2003 5:37am
Subject: Took my Whiscombe to Little Rock for all to hold and shoot.

 

The reaction was the same from every shooter: A big smile appeared
on every face as soon as the gun fired! (John Ulrich's smile was
even bigger than usual)

And, I was very happy for LD to handle the rifle. I got a tip from
him:
Open the breech first, before cocking so that "clean" are is pulled
into the chamber instead of air from the previous round. LD says it
improves consistency. Makes sense to me!

Oh, tip #2: When benchresting the rifle, make sure the rifle is
supported by the forestock and not the cocking lever.

Also learned more about lubes, shifting POI, etc.

Thanks, LD.

48

From: JONATHAN ULRICH < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=6Qn5ICPtfL7bJA4Ry-kIL5qOqrCrxB79-DTH4_5EKsm4H_VQQbIFuWlVB1N2jBWvsYYEnX6AdA3m >
Date: Sun May 4, 2003 6:02am
Subject: Re: Took my Whiscombe to Little Rock for all to hold and shoot.

 

Ken,

 

Thanks again for letting me shoot your whizzer. I am getting real antsy waiting for mine.

 

BTW: Received an email from John W. today. He received the JW50 I purchased from Scotland and has tuned it to specs. He replaced the attached silencer with a muzzle break?apparently the last one he had left.

 

John Ulrich

----- Original Message -----

From: Ken R

To: Whiscombe@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2003 11:37 PM

Subject: [Whiscombe] Took my Whiscombe to Little Rock for all to hold and shoot.

 

The reaction was the same from every shooter:  A big smile appeared
on every face as soon as the gun fired!  (John Ulrich's smile was
even bigger than usual)

And, I was very happy for LD to handle the rifle.  I got a tip from
him: 
Open the breech first, before cocking so that "clean" are is pulled
into the chamber instead of air from the previous round.  LD says it
improves consistency.  Makes sense to me!

Oh, tip #2:  When benchresting the rifle, make sure the rifle is
supported by the forestock and not the cocking lever. 

Also learned more about lubes, shifting POI, etc. 

Thanks, LD.

 

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From: Marc A Myers < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=hmFuktfdF_nosNEuOx4UkfLq8vBmVu4O-lJKrakK4Xsz2AibnPtbqwlvtFmNnr-H00KAHSQJtuV20Y9MldzooA >
Date: Sun May 4, 2003 7:01am
Subject: Re: Took my Whiscombe to Little Rock for all to hold and shoot.

 

Thump ! Thump ! Thump ! Thump ! Thump ! #;^) Yer killin me guys ! I
couldn't make it ! Again !--- In
http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=os7qnDJ-Q8AW1fiJgDry_yDPoxssCOcfILUKJtt5tOfumHhsC_l3OJg5EBh7jzmkYF6w3LrXgc7IbDigv3r8t-viYw , "JONATHAN ULRICH" <sgtjohn_1@m...> wrote:
> Ken,
>
> Thanks again for letting me shoot your whizzer. I am getting real
antsy waiting for mine.
>
> BTW: Received an email from John W. today. He received the JW50 I
purchased from Scotland and has tuned it to specs. He replaced the
attached silencer with a muzzle break.apparently the last one he had
left.
>
> John Ulrich
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ken R
> To:  http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=os7qnDJ-Q8AW1fiJgDry_yDPoxssCOcfILUKJtt5tOfumHhsC_l3OJg5EBh7jzmkYF6w3LrXgc7IbDigv3r8t-viYw
> Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2003 11:37 PM
> Subject: [Whiscombe] Took my Whiscombe to Little Rock for all to
hold and shoot.
>
>
> The reaction was the same from every shooter: A big smile
appeared
> on every face as soon as the gun fired! (John Ulrich's smile
was
> even bigger than usual)
>
> And, I was very happy for LD to handle the rifle. I got a tip
from
> him:
> Open the breech first, before cocking so that "clean" are is
pulled
> into the chamber instead of air from the previous round. LD
says it
> improves consistency. Makes sense to me!
>
> Oh, tip #2: When benchresting the rifle, make sure the rifle is
> supported by the forestock and not the cocking lever.
>
> Also learned more about lubes, shifting POI, etc.
>
> Thanks, LD.
>
>
>
>
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From: Ken Ridout < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=jpIMzLF8rzXHaiY70AyCgSB8BglG1yWterT5YwihM2phjN1ScJaHfcxa7vDQS7TLJRDD7iVaBVD0 >
Date: Sun May 4, 2003 4:49pm
Subject: Re: Took my Whiscombe to Little Rock for all to hold and shoot.

 

That means you'll have it within a couple of weeks or so. It only took one week for mine to reach me from John.

If you talk to him again, tell him about our group here.

Ken

At 12:02 AM 5/4/2003 -0500, you wrote:

Ken,
 
Thanks again for letting me shoot your whizzer. I am getting real antsy waiting for mine.
 
BTW: Received an email from John W. today. He received the JW50 I purchased from Scotland and has tuned it to specs. He replaced the attached silencer with a muzzle break?apparently the last one he had left.
 
John Ulrich

----- Original Message -----

From: Ken R

To: Whiscombe@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2003 11:37 PM

Subject: [Whiscombe] Took my Whiscombe to Little Rock for all to hold and shoot.

The reaction was the same from every shooter:  A big smile appeared

on every face as soon as the gun fired!  (John Ulrich's smile was

even bigger than usual)

And, I was very happy for LD to handle the rifle.  I got a tip from

him: 

Open the breech first, before cocking so that "clean" are is pulled

into the chamber instead of air from the previous round.  LD says it

improves consistency.  Makes sense to me!

Oh, tip #2:  When benchresting the rifle, make sure the rifle is

supported by the forestock and not the cocking lever. 

Also learned more about lubes, shifting POI, etc. 

Thanks, LD.

 

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From: Daniel < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=JzgrvsP0IzmIHqM9NOh8Jgk5x-7bQTDbltpRx_Q_r87j_ZWPjh14Z18Stja94MZjHJWJiHS-QsEVs0ub >
Date: Thu May 8, 2003 8:22am
Subject: Any used Whiscombe for sale?

 

I am looking for a good air rifle. I like what I see in a Whiscombe
and would like to know more. I like the Beaman Super 17 also for the
ability to hold 17 pellets for repeat shots at the black birds.

Perhaps some manufacture makes an air rifle on the fasion of a paint
ball gun so I could have repeat fire power for black birds and other
pest.

I have not seen anything on e-Bay.

52

From: Arnold Bouchard Smith < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=ZH1RzRBpzLtvG10gAp10xOhMzWoN_LpP89lq0jUPk31pQHQeK2aA0urKywfv4N5WzyiYK4fuisJMRXQ >
Date: Tue May 13, 2003 0:07am
Subject: At LAST!!

 

Responded to a post on Brad's site last month and posted pictures
here of a jw-50 tb in England. Today a large plastic wrapped box
showed on my doorstep. Opened the plastic, cut the tape, lifted the
top and the jw was staring at me. Stock much better than the photos,
metal is nicely blued, but all the action is not quite the same tone.
Tipped the barrel, cocked the gun - twice and about like my ProSport
on the second cocking. a cp-lite in the barrel and 'click' the
barrel snapped snugly in place. Aimed at the telephone pole and a
mild thunk-thwack. Nice and smooth. Loaded a second pellet, a
pigeon was about 30 yards away - no sites on the jw, but looked down
the barrel -> thunk-thwack pigeon flies to a nearby powerline. hops
around for a few seconds and then plummets.

Had a couple of comments / questions.
I have a .177 and .22 barrels. The .177 has a long muzzle brake with
a single allen screw. It doesn't appear anything fancy, but could
this be the HOTS?

Also, when snapping the barrel back into the receiver, The lever
released the spring loaded bars to tip the barrel, but it appeared
necessary to press the barrel against the retaining lever to secure
it. Is there a way to retract these pins to limit wear?

Thats all for now, I'll be looking for some glass to use and will
post some more pictures soon.

Arnold

53

From: Ken Ridout < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=AX9JyFny24-MxPKIsJN5xe_G51pfo8Kw9IU_XdJHfJ0bdxejFvzs2KlpSk4tHTyu4FHaArVIDg >
Date: Tue May 13, 2003 2:00pm
Subject: Re: At LAST!!

 

I'm sure others can help you with your questions better than me (I don't have a tipper);  I just wanted to congratulate you on your new acquisition. 

Ken

At 11:07 PM 5/12/2003 +0000, you wrote:

Responded to a post on Brad's site last month and posted pictures
here of a jw-50 tb in England.  Today a large plastic wrapped box
showed on my doorstep.  Opened the plastic, cut the tape, lifted the
top and the jw was staring at me.  Stock much better than the photos,
metal is nicely blued, but all the action is not quite the same tone.
Tipped the barrel, cocked the gun - twice and about like my ProSport
on the second cocking.  a cp-lite in the barrel and 'click' the
barrel snapped snugly in place.  Aimed at the telephone pole and a
mild thunk-thwack.  Nice and smooth.  Loaded a second pellet, a
pigeon was about 30 yards away - no sites on the jw, but looked down
the barrel -> thunk-thwack  pigeon flies to a nearby powerline.  hops
around for a few seconds and then plummets.

Had a couple of comments / questions.
I have a .177 and .22 barrels.  The .177 has a long muzzle brake with
a single allen screw.  It doesn't appear anything fancy, but could
this be the HOTS?

Also, when snapping the barrel back into the receiver, The lever
released the spring loaded bars to tip the barrel, but it appeared
necessary to press the barrel against the retaining lever to secure
it.  Is there a way to retract these pins to limit wear?

Thats all for now,  I'll be looking for some glass to use and will
post some more pictures soon.

Arnold

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From: Marc A Myers < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=cggdcJLzKUaubLjf95WIOTmvE8uzrEB5Qrw4cP9h4XGIY6ORGBj0MXw4QuWTyZEZxtLGF1FZm2-ClNl9jiw >
Date: Tue May 13, 2003 5:23pm
Subject: Re: At LAST!!

 

Congratulations Arnold !!! I will gladly help you celebrate, once I
come out of coveting mode ! Promise ! Currently green with envy !!!--
- In  http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=yjLTM04eR41UTXVXsvD_HEXJBi_Q3nbKXGEUnrOUipnGt0WP40i5TA6VrM_7DyxPM-CIZa8paAbIGSzLjeQ1ow , "Arnold Bouchard Smith"
<absmith@u...> wrote:
> Responded to a post on Brad's site last month and posted pictures
> here of a jw-50 tb in England. Today a large plastic wrapped box
> showed on my doorstep. Opened the plastic, cut the tape, lifted
the
> top and the jw was staring at me. Stock much better than the
photos,
> metal is nicely blued, but all the action is not quite the same
tone.
> Tipped the barrel, cocked the gun - twice and about like my
ProSport
> on the second cocking. a cp-lite in the barrel and 'click' the
> barrel snapped snugly in place. Aimed at the telephone pole and a
> mild thunk-thwack. Nice and smooth. Loaded a second pellet, a
> pigeon was about 30 yards away - no sites on the jw, but looked
down
> the barrel -> thunk-thwack pigeon flies to a nearby powerline.
hops
> around for a few seconds and then plummets.
>
> Had a couple of comments / questions.
> I have a .177 and .22 barrels. The .177 has a long muzzle brake
with
> a single allen screw. It doesn't appear anything fancy, but could
> this be the HOTS?
>
> Also, when snapping the barrel back into the receiver, The lever
> released the spring loaded bars to tip the barrel, but it appeared
> necessary to press the barrel against the retaining lever to
secure
> it. Is there a way to retract these pins to limit wear?
>
> Thats all for now, I'll be looking for some glass to use and will
> post some more pictures soon.
>
> Arnold

55

From: John M. Ulrich < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=gMvQmctW2pqMLxhXPP744uZO4_2ILgdSGY6TisRjMGxb6TRxAJKRQ7kdWChZio0haUd6xQCCMOxOFE4 >
Date: Wed May 28, 2003 11:28pm
Subject: JW50 arrived today

 

Serial number is 50-0049. It is a tip barrel in .177 from Pickering
Airguns in Scotland. I had those kind folks send it to John W. for a
tune-up and muzzle break installation. I had an Elite 6X24 w/ mildot
set aside for it but unfortunately it is a wee bit too long.
Fortunately I had a spare Weaver V16 that fit perfectly.

56

From: Leo Duran < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=VVxQBzFH78FIwYDy_QGrCIAydwr1MtAFjZXfU3dgJ_Ft-3Fky68MzZ7qQWf319gx1vF-AtVnQvl7zOg >
Date: Thu May 29, 2003 0:54am
Subject: Re: JW50 arrived today

 

John,
It's a beauty, and I'd bet, a real fine shooter.
Leo.

--- "John M. Ulrich" < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=Mj7mTNCW1z20BjPB1Rq3B2yADHW5mEW0os9E4HxR6OCE9L0i889B-V0ibgzkZkdUoqP9UwSt6Q > wrote:
> Serial number is 50-0049. It is a tip barrel in .177
> from Pickering
> Airguns in Scotland. I had those kind folks send it
> to John W. for a
> tune-up and muzzle break installation. I had an
> Elite 6X24 w/ mildot
> set aside for it but unfortunately it is a wee bit
> too long.
> Fortunately I had a spare Weaver V16 that fit
> perfectly.
>
>

>
>
>
>

=====
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From: Ken Ridout < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=Kiig6nKGikyLbUMOq3i9QSF0ctLrnJPGKiQIgw-kZ_Vn6QHk4Oj5yX3T7DQJVq3iQrhrswYQ4CEtqhrT >
Date: Thu May 29, 2003 4:04am
Subject: Re: JW50 arrived today

 

John,
That's a really fine looking rifle!  You didn't mention shooting it yet.  I'll be interested in hearing your thoughts.  (I remember the smile on your face when you shot mine!)

I think the tip-barrel Whiscombes are cool.  I may add a tipper to my collection some day.  In the meantime, I've been shooting my JW almost exclusively for the past 4 to 6 weeks.  I'm working on releasing the pellet without moving off the target. 

Are you going to come down to Austin to Airgunstock III?  I'm thinking about riding my Harley down there (Van will take my rifles and accessories).  Hope you can.  It's a hoot.

Ken

At 10:28 PM 5/28/2003 +0000, you wrote:

Serial number is 50-0049. It is a tip barrel in .177 from Pickering
Airguns in Scotland. I had those kind folks send it to John W. for a
tune-up and muzzle break installation. I had an Elite 6X24 w/ mildot
set aside for it but unfortunately it is a wee bit too long.
Fortunately I had a spare Weaver V16 that fit perfectly.

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From: jontalbot333 < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=f7Jh4H_Iy6DhR76EFgh7_pHpCnP2vJCZLvUmgyDsHKx969Zg_CDWDcEBTIA_pbVaWF4kottKBZYrExMwkz3C >
Date: Fri May 30, 2003 10:25pm
Subject: Re: JW50 arrived today

 

I'm sorry if this is a repeat message as I'm having trouble posting.
I just wanted to mention that I saw this rifle in Pickering a few
weeks ago on the rack - it looked great and I hope you are having
fun.

Regards, Jon.

--- In  http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=RQmEKuKfmO8qEpLZLTWTHUXyD5p1yNUV2x2tEnbFYU6Qw4BNld6hIvz297tY0FjoIOMAAJfx59yZEQKDNyE8VKwGG4k , "John M. Ulrich" <sgtjohn_1@m...>
wrote:
> Serial number is 50-0049. It is a tip barrel in .177 from
Pickering
> Airguns in Scotland. I had those kind folks send it to John W. for
a
> tune-up and muzzle break installation. I had an Elite 6X24 w/
mildot
> set aside for it but unfortunately it is a wee bit too long.
> Fortunately I had a spare Weaver V16 that fit perfectly.
>

59

From: JONATHAN ULRICH < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=FSYtsmlUYKr6HJ0QcBu0rCYuc9Q-9gH7tDxttb3tq8lbhS43tOrk5TLLEQQsXdNx4fjcJUUv6eFjKA >
Date: Fri May 30, 2003 10:55pm
Subject: Re: Re: JW50 arrived today

 

Jon,

 

Yes I am having lots of fun with the rifle. ( In hindsight, I'm glad you didn't decide to pick it up). Now the search is on for a nice JW60?Please let me know if you know of one?

 

Regards,   John Ulrich 

----- Original Message -----

From: jontalbot333

To: Whiscombe@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 4:25 PM

Subject: [Whiscombe] Re: JW50 arrived today

 

I'm sorry if this is a repeat message as I'm having trouble posting.
I just wanted to mention that I saw this rifle in Pickering a few
weeks ago on the rack - it looked great and I hope you are having
fun.

Regards, Jon.

--- In Whiscombe@yahoogroups.com, "John M. Ulrich" <sgtjohn_1@m...>
wrote:
> Serial number is 50-0049. It is a tip barrel in .177 from
Pickering
> Airguns in Scotland. I had those kind folks send it to John W. for
a
> tune-up and muzzle break installation. I had an Elite 6X24 w/
mildot
> set aside for it but unfortunately it is a wee bit too long.
> Fortunately I had a spare Weaver V16 that fit perfectly.
>

 

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From: fwbrobbw < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=j_mq2Tqz2xMDpCzfMWb1d8KjHsmq0bTFjgD0sWoLQ7gXwtKGcJIwpjSSocEisMv5VgIxjwSUgbMwZMJ6wA >
Date: Mon Jun 2, 2003 6:08am
Subject: Re: JW50 arrived today

 

John,

Congrats on the fine acquisition! It looks stunning in that
picture. You'll have to let us know how it shoots!! Or are you
just keeping us in suspense?

61

From: jontalbot333 < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=aeXCiYrmmbBxI8QA1IReMfx1E5fuAcxeC7SqFPlmHjiCXkXSey_AqV-Z4U3PBdUM7RzO-C9-vliBtk4rwVc >
Date: Mon Jun 2, 2003 11:40pm
Subject: Stock Design

 

I was wonderng what sort of stocks are favoured. I like the look and
utility of the field target stock and it suits the sort of shooting
that I do - but it is heavier and more expensive than the sporter
stock. What are your views?

Regards, Jon.

62

From: happyhtr3 < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=KbONsp8kUH19MDKbRliT3Y9ECQdNIRxKnHYx5yeiqDIiPqZoSRhU5sJ49m9m0XhHwQVMCSVinTGMlQ >
Date: Wed Jun 4, 2003 8:55pm
Subject: Re: Stock Design

 

--- In  http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=96K_wMkS-jlX6dHbVqi9XBToyz3KP89SikTq1lGXB3ACwbsnldVTcoCykIn-bfbu5eIvCAv8XeX1KNytNjTPeAAaUw , "jontalbot333" <jon.talbot1@n...>
wrote:
> I was wonderng what sort of stocks are favoured. I like the look
and
> utility of the field target stock and it suits the sort of shooting
> that I do - but it is heavier and more expensive than the sporter
> stock. What are your views?
>
>
> Regards,
Jon.
Hi Jon, I have a sporter stock and FT stock. The sporter is
in Grade 2 and the FT stocks I own are grade 3. I have owned a FT
stock in grade 4 and thought it was the most beautiful stock I had
ever seen. I prefer the FT stock for both hunting and FT. I get
better results overall shooting offhand with the FT. In the FT
position I shoot either stock equally well I think (only competed
twice with the sporter stock). If you can swing it go with a grade
four stock if you get a FT one. My sporter stock in G-2 is quite
lovely also. Save up your dollars if you get FT and go all out. You
will more than likely be well pleased---Rod

63

From: Ken R < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=4Mr4AJZeWoRS1HMbKEk9XVNRPrKS3-3tFKm-pfvUX7EFtVBvC_BjsfMJp3IyGzcFOdhM7qN4b-tDmWTZ >
Date: Thu Jun 5, 2003 5:04am
Subject: Larry Durham, Regarding the HOTS system. How much variance do you get.

 

You've probably done more testing and calibrating of Whiscombes than
anyone else around here. Please tell us, how much variance have you
gotten from the adjustment of the HOTS system on your Whiscombes?
(like from worst case to best case).

Ken

64

From: docderm94025 < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=G0rPUhTgGpfb3m_djw5HzABZ8FdVicUvWCS-FaD2joVcppBHWVIRFvY10vD7jX_kYkQgpc1kHHyGOjsI >
Date: Fri Jun 6, 2003 6:47am
Subject: Changing Whiscombe barrels

 

Anybody tried swapping barrels back and forth?? It sounded like a good idea
before I got the rifle and barrels. However.... I wonder 1) how hard is it to
actually change barrels? 2) Loss of POI and HOTS system optimization when
barrel is swapped back into place?? 3) Is it just better to leave well enough
alone?? Thanks!!

65

From: Ken Ridout < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=GXxuXhOHV0EMZTwWCMJOY3Ht-AfC1XaMjywZRwfT-n3EKtprHbr29TCluc3VlgpH2pbGxDitMEFgDss >
Date: Fri Jun 6, 2003 1:31pm
Subject: Re: Changing Whiscombe barrels

 

I bought a .20 barrel to compliment my .177 barrel.  Now, I wish I hadn't spent the money.  I'll probably never change the barrels.

Ken

At 05:47 AM 6/6/2003 +0000, you wrote:

Anybody tried swapping barrels back and forth?? It sounded like a good idea
before I got the rifle and barrels. However.... I wonder 1) how hard is it to
actually change barrels?  2) Loss of POI and HOTS system optimization when
barrel is swapped back into place??  3) Is it just better to leave well enough
alone??   Thanks!!

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From: Leo Duran < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=Vifu9kRaJcXFeOjW9mcgM9rMTZgBehB1MGr0qXKFyfZiZITmiscp0HzA-zmghOpFivY-ZW5ookn-IhZICQ >
Date: Fri Jun 6, 2003 4:00pm
Subject: Re: Changing Whiscombe barrels

 

I'd also like to know the answer to the original 3
questions, can anyone address them?

Leo.

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> I bought a .20 barrel to compliment my .177 barrel.
> Now, I wish I hadn't
> spent the money. I'll probably never change the
> barrels.
>
> Ken
>
> At 05:47 AM 6/6/2003 +0000, you wrote:
> >Anybody tried swapping barrels back and forth?? It
> sounded like a good idea
> >before I got the rifle and barrels. However.... I
> wonder 1) how hard is it to
> >actually change barrels? 2) Loss of POI and HOTS
> system optimization when
> >barrel is swapped back into place?? 3) Is it just
> better to leave well
> >enough
> >alone?? Thanks!!
> >
> >
> >
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From: happyhtr3 < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=19KgvMTzGMlRmnMylhuCaxMxb1ZtAirdVv00GNtC_UGDAvvFrZ86j_2e517-VYIuL3tnkcZ8CpXP0A >
Date: Fri Jun 6, 2003 8:35pm
Subject: Re: Changing Whiscombe barrels

 

--- In  http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=JzgOUKTr11NQKQs_8SDWhXrSqMaMqPHonqbBxOaH38dgouuPLbhdds5cm-s7MUsRRkrid_eUGrRYqFLVgYXCmXA , Leo Duran <leo_duran@y...> wrote:
> I'd also like to know the answer to the original 3
> questions, can anyone address them?
>
> Leo.
>
> --- Ken Ridout <ken@c...> wrote:
> > I bought a .20 barrel to compliment my .177 barrel.
> > Now, I wish I hadn't
> > spent the money. I'll probably never change the
> > barrels.
> >
> > Ken
> >
> > At 05:47 AM 6/6/2003 +0000, you wrote:
> > >Anybody tried swapping barrels back and forth?? It
> > sounded like a good idea
> > >before I got the rifle and barrels. However.... I
> > wonder 1) how hard is it to
> > >actually change barrels? 2) Loss of POI and HOTS
> > system optimization when
> > >barrel is swapped back into place?? 3) Is it just
> > better to leave well
> > >enough
> > >alone?? Thanks!!
> > > Hey Leo How U doin? Well to answer you questions #1 --It is
very easy to change barrels. Two grub screws and a strap wrench is
all it takes . Order the barrel with sleeve (you can get the barrel
itself without the sleeve but I wouldn't recommend it). Then you will
not have to worry about tuning the Hots. #2 You will have a different
POI when you change barrels but once zeroed all you have to do is
shoot.I have never played with HOTS too much. I noticed a POI change
but I do not shoot off of a bench so I could see no difference in
group size when I played with the HOTS. #3 All in all if you are not
trying to make a collectible, forget the other barrels unless you
plan on doing LOTS of experimenting or hunting. The .177 is all you
NEED for FT IMO. I hope this helps--Rod B.
> > >
> > >
> > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
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From: Leo Duran < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=p2javy3YhFoHW4N6zMrZ8RBzBYnMXGikc9yxP5Pcf1tK8asRBVgog7BrSLqlahNoyk8p4ZSIh54Vet9F >
Date: Sat Jun 7, 2003 3:06am
Subject: Re: Re: Changing Whiscombe barrels

 

Hey Rod, good to hear from you.
I've got a JW-70 (soft-spring) coming some time this
summer, I hope, with both .177 and .22 barrels.

JW swore that I shold give the .22 a chance for FT,
giving that the gun should be a smooth shooter at
around 20fp in that caliber... I know everyone says
that the bigger pellet is a disadvantage and all, but
he said that the .22 should have a flatter and more
stable trajectory (better ballistic properties), and
with that much energy and mass, even a splitting
pellet should some targets down.

I figure on giving the .22 a chance. Heck, if JW said
to try it, how can I to argue, right? If it doesn't
work out for me, I'll switch to .177 for FT. I'm sure
the .22 will be handy for hunting anyway.

Are you going to the Nationals? How about Roz and
some of other Whizzer shooters?

Leo.

> Hey Leo How U doin? Well to answer you
> questions #1 --It is
> very easy to change barrels. Two grub screws and a
> strap wrench is
> all it takes . Order the barrel with sleeve (you can
> get the barrel
> itself without the sleeve but I wouldn't recommend
> it). Then you will
> not have to worry about tuning the Hots. #2 You will
> have a different
> POI when you change barrels but once zeroed all you
> have to do is
> shoot.I have never played with HOTS too much. I
> noticed a POI change
> but I do not shoot off of a bench so I could see no
> difference in
> group size when I played with the HOTS. #3 All in
> all if you are not
> trying to make a collectible, forget the other
> barrels unless you
> plan on doing LOTS of experimenting or hunting. The
> .177 is all you
> NEED for FT IMO. I hope this helps--Rod B.

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From: lhdurham < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=uJKUcOkyz3JesJ1342U8fR0YrN6aI5J5W0Sm0SCU_zNSeqAYaSGTJ-1-HgQzCGd7XlmCEXqdnQ >
Date: Sat Jun 7, 2003 4:59pm
Subject: Re: Digest Number 20

 

First off, i'm changing my email, and need these posts to come to my now one,
which is:

http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=_G2qWaUQH-b_qOmhOwj6zNUCgFO4-zVJSqBRUofKlU8aCvGZFlxtJg4YBEwI2YM47Ohh7wV9Hmj-

.... how do i get this accomplished?

As to the current discussion on swapping barrels and HOT vageries .... i have
found swapping barrels doesnt take long, but some barrels shoot so far enough off
that a different scope mount is required (i abhor adjustable mounts).

As to the HOT system, on some barrels it does more than others, but in general, it
seems to shift poi as much as group size. I have found it can make groups larger
than 2" at 50yds, or smaller than 1/2" depending on setting if the barrel is
ALREADY capable of shooting some really good groups. The real value is in
retuning for different pellets, and in this case the differance you are looking
for are very slight.

I hate changing the setup once its on, becuase it can take a couple hours to get
the hot retuned on the bench, and i shoot in a tunnel with no wind to confuse the
issue! A tip, don't even BOTHER to try and reset poi until you are done with the
adjusting as it will walk all over the paper sometimes.

As to .22 for FT, well, though .177 is an advantage, the top springun shooter in
OUR club (George Gardner) uses .22 cal and wins well over half the matches in his
class!

ld

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> 1. Re: Changing Whiscombe barrels
> From: Ken Ridout < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=Tsdn1G_pMQH7o0ut_ZdgcLGehlB0xixvUUKTN8sjdUKtbFzDYM4qgJT2iGcC1ZNdxvY3XC-OOTI8 >
> 2. Re: Changing Whiscombe barrels
> From: Leo Duran < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=8VfxxyFqmdiGSDnoPXOFK8P7HPB_n_zpuP45HzMA038GVG7NEB-oemvlAwouAzW4U5nOTtt6P8jzjx-sMA >
> 3. Re: Changing Whiscombe barrels
> From: "happyhtr3" < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=EFWb1njc6_yzzcUGDCYtTv8Rip-2rgFA30SsGH-FkBcA6LJTT_23Cqp2pXVbFhz-qfcXy5lhKIKzTkNzZQ >
> 4. Re: Re: Changing Whiscombe barrels
> From: Leo Duran < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=8VfxxyFqmdiGSDnoPXOFK8P7HPB_n_zpuP45HzMA038GVG7NEB-oemvlAwouAzW4U5nOTtt6P8jzjx-sMA >
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 07:31:12 -0500
> From: Ken Ridout < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=Tsdn1G_pMQH7o0ut_ZdgcLGehlB0xixvUUKTN8sjdUKtbFzDYM4qgJT2iGcC1ZNdxvY3XC-OOTI8 >
> Subject: Re: Changing Whiscombe barrels
>
> I bought a .20 barrel to compliment my .177 barrel. Now, I wish I hadn't
> spent the money. I'll probably never change the barrels.
>
> Ken
>
> At 05:47 AM 6/6/2003 +0000, you wrote:
> >Anybody tried swapping barrels back and forth?? It sounded like a good idea
> >before I got the rifle and barrels. However.... I wonder 1) how hard is it to
> >actually change barrels? 2) Loss of POI and HOTS system optimization when
> >barrel is swapped back into place?? 3) Is it just better to leave well
> >enough
> >alone?? Thanks!!
> >
> >
> >
> >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
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> >
> >
> >
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> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 08:00:40 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Leo Duran < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=8VfxxyFqmdiGSDnoPXOFK8P7HPB_n_zpuP45HzMA038GVG7NEB-oemvlAwouAzW4U5nOTtt6P8jzjx-sMA >
> Subject: Re: Changing Whiscombe barrels
>
> I'd also like to know the answer to the original 3
> questions, can anyone address them?
>
> Leo.
>
> --- Ken Ridout < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=Tsdn1G_pMQH7o0ut_ZdgcLGehlB0xixvUUKTN8sjdUKtbFzDYM4qgJT2iGcC1ZNdxvY3XC-OOTI8 > wrote:
> > I bought a .20 barrel to compliment my .177 barrel.
> > Now, I wish I hadn't
> > spent the money. I'll probably never change the
> > barrels.
> >
> > Ken
> >
> > At 05:47 AM 6/6/2003 +0000, you wrote:
> > >Anybody tried swapping barrels back and forth?? It
> > sounded like a good idea
> > >before I got the rifle and barrels. However.... I
> > wonder 1) how hard is it to
> > >actually change barrels? 2) Loss of POI and HOTS
> > system optimization when
> > >barrel is swapped back into place?? 3) Is it just
> > better to leave well
> > >enough
> > >alone?? Thanks!!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> > > http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=bbMTjoKggKqT8TQHNfPLRw8okvMWFUNV4jUv6bksDSkLvh0ITcl8Iq-j5co2J7GoJ81bZ5e4fwhRfiIvbYFPDklhCHxETBsnfxbMTPl2rg
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 19:35:19 -0000
> From: "happyhtr3" < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=EFWb1njc6_yzzcUGDCYtTv8Rip-2rgFA30SsGH-FkBcA6LJTT_23Cqp2pXVbFhz-qfcXy5lhKIKzTkNzZQ >
> Subject: Re: Changing Whiscombe barrels
>
> --- In  http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=U7jHnptkIsSNkMRptM7pAlSCf-e5gAFQxJ23893L_XRccNeA8-EGZzVf4PuEo5BLwd1VgyKFGlod4czhZvjxU0Bel6I , Leo Duran <leo_duran@y...> wrote:
> > I'd also like to know the answer to the original 3
> > questions, can anyone address them?
> >
> > Leo.
> >
> > --- Ken Ridout <ken@c...> wrote:
> > > I bought a .20 barrel to compliment my .177 barrel.
> > > Now, I wish I hadn't
> > > spent the money. I'll probably never change the
> > > barrels.
> > >
> > > Ken
> > >
> > > At 05:47 AM 6/6/2003 +0000, you wrote:
> > > >Anybody tried swapping barrels back and forth?? It
> > > sounded like a good idea
> > > >before I got the rifle and barrels. However.... I
> > > wonder 1) how hard is it to
> > > >actually change barrels? 2) Loss of POI and HOTS
> > > system optimization when
> > > >barrel is swapped back into place?? 3) Is it just
> > > better to leave well
> > > >enough
> > > >alone?? Thanks!!
> > > > Hey Leo How U doin? Well to answer you questions #1 --It is
> very easy to change barrels. Two grub screws and a strap wrench is
> all it takes . Order the barrel with sleeve (you can get the barrel
> itself without the sleeve but I wouldn't recommend it). Then you will
> not have to worry about tuning the Hots. #2 You will have a different
> POI when you change barrels but once zeroed all you have to do is
> shoot.I have never played with HOTS too much. I noticed a POI change
> but I do not shoot off of a bench so I could see no difference in
> group size when I played with the HOTS. #3 All in all if you are not
> trying to make a collectible, forget the other barrels unless you
> plan on doing LOTS of experimenting or hunting. The .177 is all you
> NEED for FT IMO. I hope this helps--Rod B.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
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> > > >
> > > >
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> >
> >
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> >
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> Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 19:06:47 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Leo Duran < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=8VfxxyFqmdiGSDnoPXOFK8P7HPB_n_zpuP45HzMA038GVG7NEB-oemvlAwouAzW4U5nOTtt6P8jzjx-sMA >
> Subject: Re: Re: Changing Whiscombe barrels
>
> Hey Rod, good to hear from you.
> I've got a JW-70 (soft-spring) coming some time this
> summer, I hope, with both .177 and .22 barrels.
>
> JW swore that I shold give the .22 a chance for FT,
> giving that the gun should be a smooth shooter at
> around 20fp in that caliber... I know everyone says
> that the bigger pellet is a disadvantage and all, but
> he said that the .22 should have a flatter and more
> stable trajectory (better ballistic properties), and
> with that much energy and mass, even a splitting
> pellet should some targets down.
>
> I figure on giving the .22 a chance. Heck, if JW said
> to try it, how can I to argue, right? If it doesn't
> work out for me, I'll switch to .177 for FT. I'm sure
> the .22 will be handy for hunting anyway.
>
> Are you going to the Nationals? How about Roz and
> some of other Whizzer shooters?
>
> Leo.
>
> > Hey Leo How U doin? Well to answer you
> > questions #1 --It is
> > very easy to change barrels. Two grub screws and a
> > strap wrench is
> > all it takes . Order the barrel with sleeve (you can
> > get the barrel
> > itself without the sleeve but I wouldn't recommend
> > it). Then you will
> > not have to worry about tuning the Hots. #2 You will
> > have a different
> > POI when you change barrels but once zeroed all you
> > have to do is
> > shoot.I have never played with HOTS too much. I
> > noticed a POI change
> > but I do not shoot off of a bench so I could see no
> > difference in
> > group size when I played with the HOTS. #3 All in
> > all if you are not
> > trying to make a collectible, forget the other
> > barrels unless you
> > plan on doing LOTS of experimenting or hunting. The
> > .177 is all you
> > NEED for FT IMO. I hope this helps--Rod B.
>
> =====
> Leo Duran
>
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From: docderm94025 < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=iXSS1LDpfXF-8mcdAQYr2VJ7ppFcuXNon9aqIq5FVKC0eikXJaGj2tSrrDUK2khHmY6KDt1fixvXGdfkvQ >
Date: Sat Jun 7, 2003 5:40pm
Subject: Barrel swapping/ talking with John Whiscombe/ finding used Whiscombes

 

First: Thanks to you all for your comments on ease of barrel
swapping.
Sounds like worth a try. I plan to switch the barrel on my current
JW80 from
the .177 barrel now mounted to the .22 barrel that came with the
rifle. Then
leave that .22 barrel in place once HOTS, POI, remount scope, and
sighting in
process is solved.

I have a brand new .177 caliber JW70 just completed by John Whiscombe
due here next week. So I will end up with the older rifle
"rebarrelleed" to .22
caliber and the new one in .177

Second: A surprising word to the wise. John Whiscombe warned me NOT
to
try putting one of the 2 year old Whiscombe barrels onto the just
made, new
JW70. He said over the years he has progressively redesigned his
barrels. I
do not quite remember the details but would strongly suggest you call
him up
and discuss it with him before trying to put just any barrel onto
just any JW
rifle. Apparently there can be trouble putting them together unless
you bought
them from him at the same time.

I have found John to be delightful, friendly, helpful, and quite
useful to talk
with on the phone. Full of advice about how to optimally use his
rifles: pellet
selection, lubrication, dissassembly suggestions, etc.

Also, if you are looking for a used Whiscombe, you may want to call
him.
Sometimes he actually acts as an agent for an old customer who wants
to sell
one.

71

From: Ken Ridout < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=BWEhDk2HQoKWJkn42DbTzfE9Fx68NWamIG4IgBehrivh0_wUNXSgy1ePkcXYwNx-asn8JUucE2uy52o >
Date: Sun Jun 8, 2003 4:27am
Subject: Re: Digest Number 20

 

LD,
I tried to change your email address in the group for you; but didn't have any luck. 

Here's a link to some instructions that you might try.

http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/mypreferences/mypreferences-07.html

I checked using my account and it worked fine. 

Ken

At 08:59 AM 6/7/2003 -0700, you wrote:

First off, i'm changing my email, and need these posts to come to my now one,
which is:

lhdurham2@juno.com

.... how do i get this accomplished?

As to the current discussion on swapping barrels and HOT vageries .... i have
found swapping barrels doesnt take long, but some barrels shoot so far enough off
that a different scope mount is required (i abhor adjustable mounts).

As to the HOT system, on some barrels it does more than others, but in general, it
seems to shift poi as much as group size.  I have found it can make groups larger
than 2" at 50yds, or smaller than 1/2" depending on setting if the barrel is
ALREADY capable of shooting some really good groups.  The real value is in
retuning for different pellets, and in this case the differance you are looking
for are very slight.

I hate changing the setup once its on, becuase it can take a couple hours to get
the hot retuned on the bench, and i shoot in a tunnel with no wind to confuse the
issue! A tip, don't even BOTHER to try and reset poi until you are done with the
adjusting as it will walk all over the paper sometimes.

As to .22 for FT, well, though .177 is an advantage, the top springun shooter in
OUR club (George Gardner) uses .22 cal and wins well over half the matches in his
class!

ld

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>       1. Re: Changing Whiscombe barrels
>            From: Ken Ridout
>       2. Re: Changing Whiscombe barrels
>            From: Leo Duran
>       3. Re: Changing Whiscombe barrels
>            From: "happyhtr3"
>       4. Re: Re: Changing Whiscombe barrels
>            From: Leo Duran
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 1
>    Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 07:31:12 -0500
>    From: Ken Ridout
> Subject: Re: Changing Whiscombe barrels
>
> I bought a .20 barrel to compliment my .177 barrel.  Now, I wish I hadn't
> spent the money.  I'll probably never change the barrels.
>
> Ken
>
> At 05:47 AM 6/6/2003 +0000, you wrote:
> >Anybody tried swapping barrels back and forth?? It sounded like a good idea
> >before I got the rifle and barrels. However.... I wonder 1) how hard is it to
> >actually change barrels?  2) Loss of POI and HOTS system optimization when
> >barrel is swapped back into place??  3) Is it just better to leave well
> >enough
> >alone??   Thanks!!
> >
> >
> >
> >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> >Whiscombe-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> >
> >
> >
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> Message: 2
>    Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 08:00:40 -0700 (PDT)
>    From: Leo Duran
> Subject: Re: Changing Whiscombe barrels
>
> I'd also like to know the answer to the original 3
> questions, can anyone address them?
>
> Leo.
>
> --- Ken Ridout wrote:
> > I bought a .20 barrel to compliment my .177 barrel.
> > Now, I wish I hadn't
> > spent the money.  I'll probably never change the
> > barrels.
> >
> > Ken
> >
> > At 05:47 AM 6/6/2003 +0000, you wrote:
> > >Anybody tried swapping barrels back and forth?? It
> > sounded like a good idea
> > >before I got the rifle and barrels. However.... I
> > wonder 1) how hard is it to
> > >actually change barrels?  2) Loss of POI and HOTS
> > system optimization when
> > >barrel is swapped back into place??  3) Is it just
> > better to leave well
> > >enough
> > >alone??   Thanks!!
> > >
> > >
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>    Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 19:35:19 -0000
>    From: "happyhtr3"
> Subject: Re: Changing Whiscombe barrels
>
> --- In Whiscombe@yahoogroups.com, Leo Duran wrote:
> > I'd also like to know the answer to the original 3
> > questions, can anyone address them?
> >
> > Leo.
> >
> > --- Ken Ridout wrote:
> > > I bought a .20 barrel to compliment my .177 barrel.
> > > Now, I wish I hadn't
> > > spent the money.  I'll probably never change the
> > > barrels.
> > >
> > > Ken
> > >
> > > At 05:47 AM 6/6/2003 +0000, you wrote:
> > > >Anybody tried swapping barrels back and forth?? It
> > > sounded like a good idea
> > > >before I got the rifle and barrels. However.... I
> > > wonder 1) how hard is it to
> > > >actually change barrels?  2) Loss of POI and HOTS
> > > system optimization when
> > > >barrel is swapped back into place??  3) Is it just
> > > better to leave well
> > > >enough
> > > >alone??   Thanks!!
> > > >   Hey Leo How U doin? Well to answer you questions #1 --It is
> very easy to change barrels. Two grub screws and a strap wrench is
> all it takes . Order the barrel with sleeve (you can get the barrel
> itself without the sleeve but I wouldn't recommend it). Then you will
> not have to worry about tuning the Hots. #2 You will have a different
> POI when you change barrels but once zeroed all you have to do is
> shoot.I have never played with HOTS too much. I noticed a POI change
> but I do not shoot off of a bench so I could see no difference in
> group size when I played with the HOTS. #3 All in all if you are not
> trying to make a collectible, forget the other barrels unless you
> plan on doing LOTS of experimenting or hunting. The .177 is all you
> NEED for FT IMO. I hope this helps--Rod B.
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>    Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 19:06:47 -0700 (PDT)
>    From: Leo Duran
> Subject: Re: Re: Changing Whiscombe barrels
>
> Hey Rod, good to hear from you.
> I've got a JW-70 (soft-spring) coming some time this
> summer, I hope, with both .177 and .22 barrels.
>
> JW swore that I shold give the .22 a chance for FT,
> giving that the gun should be a smooth shooter at
> around 20fp in that caliber... I know everyone says
> that the bigger pellet is a disadvantage and all, but
> he said that the .22 should have a flatter and more
> stable trajectory (better ballistic properties), and
> with that much energy and mass, even a splitting
> pellet should some targets down.
>
> I figure on giving the .22 a chance. Heck, if JW said
> to try it, how can I to argue, right?  If it doesn't
> work out for me, I'll switch to .177 for FT. I'm sure
> the .22 will be handy for hunting anyway.
>
> Are you going to the Nationals?  How about Roz and
> some of other Whizzer shooters?
>
> Leo.
>
> > Hey Leo How U doin? Well to answer you
> > questions #1 --It is
> > very easy to change barrels. Two grub screws and a
> > strap wrench is
> > all it takes . Order the barrel with sleeve (you can
> > get the barrel
> > itself without the sleeve but I wouldn't recommend
> > it). Then you will
> > not have to worry about tuning the Hots. #2 You will
> > have a different
> > POI when you change barrels but once zeroed all you
> > have to do is
> > shoot.I have never played with HOTS too much. I
> > noticed a POI change
> > but I do not shoot off of a bench so I could see no
> > difference in
> > group size when I played with the HOTS. #3 All in
> > all if you are not
> > trying to make a collectible, forget the other
> > barrels unless you
> > plan on doing LOTS of experimenting or hunting. The
> > .177 is all you
> > NEED for FT IMO. I hope this helps--Rod B.
>
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From: happyhtr3 < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=JUz_hkSBtAoCykQgBL4j_BoYEB8XInclAbXgFeW2_15s6Co6WnbIOZV5L2b96K_-6PjQbV-hMJja >
Date: Thu Jun 12, 2003 8:00pm
Subject: Re: Changing Whiscombe barrels

 

--- In  http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=YAE0j7dw36C7-s3POlcQio2kbd5-b7VphKSF2tIyQf29ByRTUuD0lLX8xt3zFFapjOBVTs7xk9ywWxe3pUBq , Leo Duran <leo_duran@y...> wrote:
> Hey Rod, good to hear from you.
> I've got a JW-70 (soft-spring) coming some time this
> summer, I hope, with both .177 and .22 barrels.
>
> JW swore that I shold give the .22 a chance for FT,
> giving that the gun should be a smooth shooter at
> around 20fp in that caliber... I know everyone says
> that the bigger pellet is a disadvantage and all, but
> he said that the .22 should have a flatter and more
> stable trajectory (better ballistic properties), and
> with that much energy and mass, even a splitting
> pellet should some targets down.
>
> I figure on giving the .22 a chance. Heck, if JW said
> to try it, how can I to argue, right? If it doesn't
> work out for me, I'll switch to .177 for FT. I'm sure
> the .22 will be handy for hunting anyway.
>
> Are you going to the Nationals? How about Roz and
> some of other Whizzer shooters?
>
> Leo. Yes Leo I plan on going to the Nats
with Roz this year. Roz has been shooting an SR lately and shooting
fine with it. When He picks up his Whizzer again, He will be tough to
beat. How long before you get your "soft" 70. That is definetly my
recommendation for an all around Gun. You will be fine with that
caliber as long as you get a GOOD RFinding scope. I shot at the GOB
match last weekend and almost pulled a .20 cal to finish the match
the second day. I did not have enough time to practice before the
match started so I used the 70. I missed one offhand shot I should
have made and that took me out of a tie with Brad for first, Drats!!!
But I will get him soon ha ha . Let me know when it arrives and I can
offer more tips---Rod
>
> > Hey Leo How U doin? Well to answer you
> > questions #1 --It is
> > very easy to change barrels. Two grub screws and a
> > strap wrench is
> > all it takes . Order the barrel with sleeve (you can
> > get the barrel
> > itself without the sleeve but I wouldn't recommend
> > it). Then you will
> > not have to worry about tuning the Hots. #2 You will
> > have a different
> > POI when you change barrels but once zeroed all you
> > have to do is
> > shoot.I have never played with HOTS too much. I
> > noticed a POI change
> > but I do not shoot off of a bench so I could see no
> > difference in
> > group size when I played with the HOTS. #3 All in
> > all if you are not
> > trying to make a collectible, forget the other
> > barrels unless you
> > plan on doing LOTS of experimenting or hunting. The
> > .177 is all you
> > NEED for FT IMO. I hope this helps--Rod B.
>
>
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From: happyhtr3 < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=NUUJFQUIS1jjqvx4gyl1hEZnoYn6neyo7iR8IVkpgza4KAWWgUdolZaulNWB1DaitWPJm7oZMqOfoA >
Date: Sun Jun 29, 2003 7:43pm
Subject: Good shooting yesterday!!

 

I had a good time shooting my JW55 yesterday in Huntsville. I thought
I had my first bonified "shift" at the match. It turns out I was
doing something differently. As far as my experience goes with four
different Whiscombes, All my "shifts" were due to my hold or grip on
the rifle. I ended up with a 25 out of 30 on a fairly easy course. I
am sure I bulled some targets over with bad hits though (target
malfunction). I will still take the score!!!. The JW's are to me well
worth the money in machinery and craftsmanship. I feel precharge guns
are simply tanks and valves. JMHO, but I feel the JW to be the better
value and most versatile rifle of all. Anyway I had a ball and can't
wait to do it again. Can anyone post some happenings lately (JW
related especially). Where has everyone been lately?--Rod

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From: Ken < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=VMGB5VJPWmV63Iems1v2mWKAs-ICG2D-1_QQ29zEwfpClvbxFS07H0tfs1Y9VE6lM0HV1Pd14U1ZSFM >
Date: Sun Jun 29, 2003 10:13pm
Subject: Re: Good shooting yesterday!!

 

I certainly enjoy my '65; probably more than any other airgun I own!  I agree with you, tanks and valves don't have half the romanticism of any of my sringers; the JW-65 being my most beloved.  We've had a squirrel infestation in the past few weeks in our back yard.  The Whiscombe dispatches them quite well; as long as I crank and load it inside the house first.  It's a joy to shoot offhand.

Ken

At 06:43 PM 6/29/2003 +0000, you wrote:

I had a good time shooting my JW55 yesterday in Huntsville. I thought
I had my first bonified "shift" at the match. It turns out I was
doing something differently. As far as my experience goes with four
different Whiscombes, All my "shifts" were due to my hold or grip on
the rifle. I ended up with a 25 out of 30 on a fairly easy course. I
am sure I bulled some targets over with bad hits though (target
malfunction). I will still take the score!!!. The JW's are to me well
worth the money in machinery and craftsmanship. I feel precharge guns
are simply tanks and valves. JMHO, but I feel the JW to be the better
value and most versatile rifle of all. Anyway I had a ball and can't
wait to do it again. Can anyone post some happenings lately (JW
related especially). Where has everyone been lately?--Rod

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From: Leo Duran < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=APE2B7HP4LBFT9OuTbnI_JZzqOQ4ZZRcJVQdw00BGvAfEhgiA6-PbO7Ms5sVArRJAVWQK6hlK2DMdBsp8w >
Date: Tue Jul 8, 2003 11:53pm
Subject: My JW-70 is on its way!

 

Just heard back from JW today.
He estimates about ten more days to get it ready to go.

With the "soft spring", he expects the gun will do 16-17fpe in .177,
and around 20fpe in .22. I responded by saying I wouldn't mind
loosing an fpe, or two, to get the smoothest action possible...
should be sweet!

Leo.

76

From: Ken Ridout < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=hr0eyCVAL7L3zdu6WWSwO2KDX73M5M5t1lTU55ZyL_YFibZW5EDwLVt21pBwIU87_R6QyVrUezUhSg >
Date: Tue Jul 8, 2003 11:48pm
Subject: Re: My JW-70 is on its way!

 

THAT's PERFECT! 
You're gonna love it.  I shoot mine every day.

Ken

At 10:53 PM 7/8/2003 +0000, you wrote:

Just heard back from JW today.
He estimates about ten more days to get it ready to go.

With the "soft spring", he expects the gun will do 16-17fpe in .177,
and around 20fpe in .22.  I responded by saying I wouldn't mind
loosing an fpe, or two, to get the smoothest action possible...
should be sweet!

Leo.

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From: JONATHAN ULRICH < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=eGGKGxM0FUUg-PXc4rdnSbAk5gZbXAeuDkLaJbSfo5fK4KqRUwZrWKPrXf5y1v9QmSzn736d6pkgyPY >
Date: Wed Jul 9, 2003 0:40am
Subject: Re: My JW-70 is on its way!

 

That is great news...hopefully mine wont be too far behind...

----- Original Message -----

From: Leo Duran

To: Whiscombe@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 5:53 PM

Subject: [Whiscombe] My JW-70 is on its way!

 

Just heard back from JW today.
He estimates about ten more days to get it ready to go.

With the "soft spring", he expects the gun will do 16-17fpe in .177,
and around 20fpe in .22.  I responded by saying I wouldn't mind
loosing an fpe, or two, to get the smoothest action possible...
should be sweet!

Leo.

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From: Leo Duran < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=I7zIaE6DcGoeu38YEv6mZw2AZ45JK2ACf0N818rRvZYSZmHL-ColLSt3l3iPT1kBH8A_9KGMNBUBX1P8 >
Date: Wed Jul 9, 2003 3:00am
Subject: Re: My JW-70 is on its way!

 

Ken,

You've settle on .177, right?
What pellets did you decide are best: CPH or JSB
(8.44gr?)
With your pellet of choice, what speeds are you
getting?

Leo.

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> THAT's PERFECT!
> You're gonna love it. I shoot mine every day.
>
> Ken
>
> At 10:53 PM 7/8/2003 +0000, you wrote:
> >Just heard back from JW today.
> >He estimates about ten more days to get it ready to
> go.
> >
> >With the "soft spring", he expects the gun will do
> 16-17fpe in .177,
> >and around 20fpe in .22. I responded by saying I
> wouldn't mind
> >loosing an fpe, or two, to get the smoothest action
> possible...
> >should be sweet!
> >
> >Leo.
> >
> >
> >
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From: Leo Duran < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=8cQea5yMbnqNRhmzatxiFU0aVerYMT6-Ty6SwT2wSOdtL8eOqZdaGg3kczNoSHmlKl1I6HoGx8eDutFu >
Date: Wed Jul 9, 2003 3:06am
Subject: Re: My JW-70 is on its way!

 

John,

Once we get our guns, we need to do a TX Whizzer
fun-shoot -maybe some Silhouette. I know of Ken,
Charlie, and you... anybody else that you know of in
Central TX?

Leo.

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> That is great news...hopefully mine wont be too far
> behind...
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Leo Duran
> To:  http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=QZxZdJ5HFgDHyahmbtkIXqP8VtOlDqL6ICOI7bf-fNx57JWaYO-sofdCV-t_ba-WSknaEtd_kp6Z1E_oFGdXkQY
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> Subject: [Whiscombe] My JW-70 is on its way!
>
>
> Just heard back from JW today.
> He estimates about ten more days to get it ready
> to go.
>
> With the "soft spring", he expects the gun will do
> 16-17fpe in .177,
> and around 20fpe in .22. I responded by saying I
> wouldn't mind
> loosing an fpe, or two, to get the smoothest
> action possible...
> should be sweet!
>
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From: JONATHAN ULRICH < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=bXs95YJrAEeHa4T5OoCBCeirR2V13vPwQ5gjkTTdDnSDZ71rRQ5KgVyuxm9FRehnEgboC3zoGwBMJg >
Date: Wed Jul 9, 2003 3:15am
Subject: Re: My JW-70 is on its way!

 

Leo,

 

Good idea!!! ....I don't know of anyone else in the area that shoots the Whizzer...maybe they can chime in here...

 

 

John

----- Original Message -----

From: Leo Duran

To: Whiscombe@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 9:06 PM

Subject: Re: [Whiscombe] My JW-70 is on its way!

 

John,

Once we get our guns, we need to do a TX Whizzer
fun-shoot -maybe some Silhouette. I know of Ken,
Charlie, and you... anybody else that you know of in
Central TX?

Leo.

--- JONATHAN ULRICH <sgtjohn_1@msn.com> wrote:
> That is great news...hopefully mine wont be too far
> behind...
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Leo Duran
>   To: Whiscombe@yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 5:53 PM
>   Subject: [Whiscombe] My JW-70 is on its way!
>
>
>   Just heard back from JW today.
>   He estimates about ten more days to get it ready
> to go.
>
>   With the "soft spring", he expects the gun will do
> 16-17fpe in .177,
>   and around 20fpe in .22.  I responded by saying I
> wouldn't mind
>   loosing an fpe, or two, to get the smoothest
> action possible...
>   should be sweet!
>
>   Leo.
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From: Ken < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=gnhBVj7jI8ACLYyaDhA_4LroSSCn5AAT99oiOxQzZHn5VRa_rQ5XwQ4enutLkccezH3x-0fHTJwpqQ >
Date: Wed Jul 9, 2003 4:11am
Subject: Re: My JW-70 is on its way!

 

I've settled on Kodiak Match pellets.  They are much more consistent (in size) than CPHs. And, they don't need cleaning.  They ran neck and neck with JSB heavies as far as grouping.  CPHs were a distant 3rd place . . . . because of the inconsistent sizing, probably.  In fact, some CPHs were so loose in the bore that I will not put any more of them into my Whiscombe for fear of spring/mechanism damage due to such a loose pellet fit.  (out of a batch of 100, I counted 12 CPHs that were unacceptable).

Ken

At 07:00 PM 7/8/2003 -0700, you wrote:

Ken,

You've settle on .177, right?
What pellets did you decide are best: CPH or JSB
(8.44gr?)
With your pellet of choice, what speeds are you
getting?

Leo.

--- Ken Ridout wrote:
> THAT's PERFECT!
> You're gonna love it.  I shoot mine every day.
>
> Ken
>
> At 10:53 PM 7/8/2003 +0000, you wrote:
> >Just heard back from JW today.
> >He estimates about ten more days to get it ready to
> go.
> >
> >With the "soft spring", he expects the gun will do
> 16-17fpe in .177,
> >and around 20fpe in .22.  I responded by saying I
> wouldn't mind
> >loosing an fpe, or two, to get the smoothest action
> possible...
> >should be sweet!
> >
> >Leo.
> >
> >
> >
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From: Ken < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=Kk_QPh3o_sTTmnWDQl1S2dIj__WU65xaHxQm2h7npRX-myMwrFUS2Evc_YZdv0IJ7xpPXR7_aA >
Date: Wed Jul 9, 2003 4:13am
Subject: Re: My JW-70 is on its way!

 

If we have an Autumn Airgun Fun, we could have a fun match there.  (if it doesn't rain 10 inches the night before).

Tim Johnston is the real motivator of our Dallas shoot-ins . . . and he's been AWOL lately.   He got married about 10 - 12 days ago and we haven't seen or heard from him since. (snicker)

Ken

At 07:06 PM 7/8/2003 -0700, you wrote:

John,

Once we get our guns, we need to do a TX Whizzer
fun-shoot -maybe some Silhouette. I know of Ken,
Charlie, and you... anybody else that you know of in
Central TX?

Leo.

--- JONATHAN ULRICH wrote:
> That is great news...hopefully mine wont be too far
> behind...
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Leo Duran
>   To: Whiscombe@yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 5:53 PM
>   Subject: [Whiscombe] My JW-70 is on its way!
>
>
>   Just heard back from JW today.
>   He estimates about ten more days to get it ready
> to go.
>
>   With the "soft spring", he expects the gun will do
> 16-17fpe in .177,
>   and around 20fpe in .22.  I responded by saying I
> wouldn't mind
>   loosing an fpe, or two, to get the smoothest
> action possible...
>   should be sweet!
>
>   Leo.
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From: happyhtr3 < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=KjL8fLKEydRisYlMbui46nLtmWvx3c1E2BDr3CiIsBR0DUv3H9AkpvafFA94gQT4elpCI0zRpsk >
Date: Sat Jul 19, 2003 5:44am
Subject: New photo's

 

Leo, I posted some pic's of some things I do with the Whizzers. The
pic of the dime and spinner were shot yesterday with the 70 shooting
8.4's at about 860fps. No wind and I was in "the zone". I wanted to
see how many times I could hit the 1" spinner . I hit 13 out of 15
shots sitting (with my home made harness) .Two of the hits were
around the edge of the spinner. The rest were fused into the smaller
1/2" circle of the washer. I found it amazing it would "fuse" these
pellets at this range. This size group is not too unusual but I do
not usually shoot more than 5 shots for groups. The other target was
with the same gun sometime ago . The gun was set at 1050fps with the
same pellet. The first shot hit low and you can see where the rest
went. I know there was no way I should have changed it but I am
always trying different things. I have many more targets not as good
but some five shot groups better. They say if you shoot enough you
get "lucky" well I guess it is true, but the guns will do this once
you learn them. I will post more pics later. Leo, do you have your
rifle yet?

84

From: Leo Duran < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=y-v87A2W7F1KZv6t0q6FYMjn4vLgVBM4c9sKKtTFk-YmP1nTtbs7pY5NjuaNw665dzP69Va56Srbpj0 >
Date: Sat Jul 19, 2003 4:15pm
Subject: Re: New photo's

 

Rod,

Please re-send pictures, as they did not get attached
to the previous e-mail. Sounds like you and that 70
are becoming ONE...

Mine should be arriving towards the end of this month:
a seven month wait! - But, if that is what it takes
to get the best "springer", so be it.

Leo.

--- happyhtr3 < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=uMZj9wOhJS4XYAEn-vAhrHWsTPkyXsm228SyEzro_lp5gBvzFFX1ciPIbhV6cx4eEqZKXOpG4e-YTFVk3w > wrote:
> Leo, I posted some pic's of some things I do with
> the Whizzers. The
> pic of the dime and spinner were shot yesterday with
> the 70 shooting
> 8.4's at about 860fps. No wind and I was in "the
> zone". I wanted to
> see how many times I could hit the 1" spinner . I
> hit 13 out of 15
> shots sitting (with my home made harness) .Two of
> the hits were
> around the edge of the spinner. The rest were fused
> into the smaller
> 1/2" circle of the washer. I found it amazing it
> would "fuse" these
> pellets at this range. This size group is not too
> unusual but I do
> not usually shoot more than 5 shots for groups. The
> other target was
> with the same gun sometime ago . The gun was set at
> 1050fps with the
> same pellet. The first shot hit low and you can see
> where the rest
> went. I know there was no way I should have changed
> it but I am
> always trying different things. I have many more
> targets not as good
> but some five shot groups better. They say if you
> shoot enough you
> get "lucky" well I guess it is true, but the guns
> will do this once
> you learn them. I will post more pics later. Leo, do
> you have your
> rifle yet?
>
>

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From: Leo Duran < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=sPie_YFXQkkQye6t3LAQxlI5G5Vwjog-UVnwoyLC3_iYBY5EsOn1uNJLfyx5NFanERbbnLvoTBxifn9_-rU >
Date: Sat Jul 19, 2003 4:21pm
Subject: Re: New photo's

 

Rod,

My bad, I see the photos in the group's web-site:
http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/lst

Great shooting!

--- Leo Duran < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=_ulwJiglUwUWy7z7vMK7iVQ5_6o4F4Oq_ixHvRhDrmoHstM_y5_6ppXud9VWFAgOt-XXxvwJs3HHcIYKow > wrote:
> Rod,
>
> Please re-send pictures, as they did not get
> attached
> to the previous e-mail. Sounds like you and that 70
> are becoming ONE...
>
> Mine should be arriving towards the end of this
> month:
> a seven month wait! - But, if that is what it takes
> to get the best "springer", so be it.
>
> Leo.
>
>
> --- happyhtr3 < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=ccYAlt8MicW_KtMfN381RU5JVWJdyZt_YGX1EZfsifOWuN_rxihM2OYF3Txpo2R4UaV-QzJOfonYxqc > wrote:
> > Leo, I posted some pic's of some things I do with
> > the Whizzers. The
> > pic of the dime and spinner were shot yesterday
> with
> > the 70 shooting
> > 8.4's at about 860fps. No wind and I was in "the
> > zone". I wanted to
> > see how many times I could hit the 1" spinner . I
> > hit 13 out of 15
> > shots sitting (with my home made harness) .Two of
> > the hits were
> > around the edge of the spinner. The rest were
> fused
> > into the smaller
> > 1/2" circle of the washer. I found it amazing it
> > would "fuse" these
> > pellets at this range. This size group is not too
> > unusual but I do
> > not usually shoot more than 5 shots for groups.
> The
> > other target was
> > with the same gun sometime ago . The gun was set
> at
> > 1050fps with the
> > same pellet. The first shot hit low and you can
> see
> > where the rest
> > went. I know there was no way I should have
> changed
> > it but I am
> > always trying different things. I have many more
> > targets not as good
> > but some five shot groups better. They say if you
> > shoot enough you
> > get "lucky" well I guess it is true, but the guns
> > will do this once
> > you learn them. I will post more pics later. Leo,
> do
> > you have your
> > rifle yet?
> >
> >
>
>
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From: Ken < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=Ak9LbulKa26oWHoUL5wBTxNvysaZ0w9PCOGIqYI324aEmko2HlleqJYLR58LWJUctF-UN2ocC-wIvA >
Date: Sat Jul 19, 2003 6:14pm
Subject: Re: New photo's

 

Man, that's a beauty!  I'll bet the '50 is the smoothest ever!

Ken

At 08:21 AM 7/19/2003 -0700, you wrote:

Rod,

My bad, I see the photos in the group's web-site:
http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/lst

Great shooting!

--- Leo Duran wrote:
> Rod,
>
> Please re-send pictures, as they did not get
> attached
> to the previous e-mail.  Sounds like you and that 70
> are becoming ONE...
>
> Mine should be arriving towards the end of this
> month:
> a seven month wait!  - But, if that is what it takes
> to get the best "springer", so be it.
>
> Leo.
>
>
> --- happyhtr3 wrote:
> >  Leo, I posted some pic's of some things I do with
> > the Whizzers. The
> > pic of the dime and spinner were shot yesterday
> with
> > the 70 shooting
> > 8.4's at about 860fps. No wind and I was in "the
> > zone". I wanted to
> > see how many times I could hit the 1" spinner . I
> > hit 13 out of 15
> > shots sitting (with my home made harness) .Two of
> > the hits were
> > around the edge of the spinner. The rest were
> fused
> > into the smaller
> > 1/2" circle of the washer. I found it amazing it
> > would "fuse" these
> > pellets at this range. This size group is not too
> > unusual but I do
> > not usually shoot more than 5 shots for groups.
> The
> > other target was
> > with the same gun sometime ago . The gun was set
> at
> > 1050fps with the
> > same pellet. The first shot hit low and you can
> see
> > where the rest
> > went. I know there was no way I should have
> changed
> > it but I am
> > always trying different things. I have many more
> > targets not as good
> > but some five shot groups better. They say if you
> > shoot enough you
> > get "lucky" well I guess it is true, but the guns
> > will do this once
> > you learn them. I will post more pics later. Leo,
> do
> > you have your
> > rifle yet?
> >
> >
>
>
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>
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From: happyhtr3 < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=-IrjkFInZZiKahThLvKce8mTrtC6fBmz30vp79WEAqc9q3KzMg5XEcwNLIwKRzeARum_-dHBP3M >
Date: Wed Jul 23, 2003 9:11pm
Subject: WOW!

 

Had a friend of mine shot a penny at 11.5 yards with my JW80. It
shoots 930 fps with 14.3 CP's. Busted the penny in two pieces !! The
amazing thing was that the penny was taped to a piece of cardboard
with clothes for a back stop. This thing will one hole it at this
range with this speed. Man I love these whizzers. Beauty, power,
accuracy,all in one package.I can go from FT to hunting to plinking
with the same gun. In the same day!! Anyone done anything fantastic
with JW's lately?

88

From: Leo Duran < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=H2ikQ1nffhOe5gRErM2kie2u-AJibnUFBTGJpPLQOV92oBbhYoxGptSPK5cZWuEwdbPMiWneIgi8Xg >
Date: Wed Jul 23, 2003 9:37pm
Subject: Best .177 pellets?

 

OK,
I'm rounding up some .177 pellets to test on my
"soon-to-be-here" JW-70.

Here's my list so far:
Kodiak Match - 10.6gr (Ken's recommendation below)
FTS - 9.20gr
JSB - 8.44gr (same as Daystate, from AoA)

Now, the JSBs come in two skirt sizes: 4.51 & 4.52mm.
Should I try them both ($7.95/500), or is there a
"known" better size for Whizzers?

I'm disregardding CPH's for now, due to the "quality"
(or lack thereof) issues they seem to be suffering
from as of late - as noted below by Ken.

Leo.

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> I've settled on Kodiak Match pellets. They are much
> more consistent (in
> size) than CPHs. And, they don't need cleaning.
> They ran neck and neck
> with JSB heavies as far as grouping. CPHs were a
> distant 3rd place . . . .
> because of the inconsistent sizing, probably. In
> fact, some CPHs were so
> loose in the bore that I will not put any more of
> them into my Whiscombe
> for fear of spring/mechanism damage due to such a
> loose pellet fit. (out
> of a batch of 100, I counted 12 CPHs that were
> unacceptable).
>
> Ken

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From: Ken Ridout < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=o4iY75HEujbdwLzXpXbVyCZjDN5NGVpAsq6Oeg9MfYB-DvJO53Esf5vyw341bqRcN8hUlcKgZ1cg >
Date: Wed Jul 23, 2003 9:59pm
Subject: Re: Best .177 pellets?

 

I didn't have as good of results with FTS as compared to JSBs.   The JSB velocity was very high, too (like 1030 fps).   JSBs grouped about the same at 35 yards as Kodiaks (all shots covered by a dime).

Kodiaks were (as I remember) at about 975 to 980 FPS.   I use them exclusively now.

Ken

At 01:37 PM 7/23/2003 -0700, you wrote:

OK,
I'm rounding up some .177 pellets to test on my
"soon-to-be-here" JW-70.

Here's my list so far:
 Kodiak Match - 10.6gr (Ken's recommendation below)
 FTS - 9.20gr
 JSB - 8.44gr (same as Daystate, from AoA)

Now, the JSBs come in two skirt sizes: 4.51 & 4.52mm.
Should I try them both ($7.95/500), or is there a
"known" better size for Whizzers?

I'm disregardding CPH's for now, due to the "quality"
(or lack thereof) issues they seem to be suffering
from as of late - as noted below by Ken.

Leo.

--- Ken wrote:
> I've settled on Kodiak Match pellets.  They are much
> more consistent (in
> size) than CPHs. And, they don't need cleaning.
> They ran neck and neck
> with JSB heavies as far as grouping.  CPHs were a
> distant 3rd place . . . .
> because of the inconsistent sizing, probably.  In
> fact, some CPHs were so
> loose in the bore that I will not put any more of
> them into my Whiscombe
> for fear of spring/mechanism damage due to such a
> loose pellet fit.  (out
> of a batch of 100, I counted 12 CPHs that were
> unacceptable).
>
> Ken

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From: Ken Ridout < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=25Z-Ub4SWZaX1GPYIN-bZcZVj_Qo2r9d8XgWmXv6KMti1j7MqUFhbwjRj27199KoKX8sp05JwvRcBg >
Date: Wed Jul 23, 2003 10:07pm
Subject: Re: WOW!

 

My airgun shooting has been reduced by hot weather, work, and bicycling lately; but I've shot ONE pellet per day at 30 yards (all standing off-hand shots, of course).  Every day at lunch, we have pest squirrels digging in our flowerbeds and eating the bird's food.  I've made every shot count for the past 8 weeks.  Do the math:  Approximately 45 pellets and 45 dead squirrels.  Every shot has been a quick pest elimination.   Quietly load and cock the gun in the house and then softly open the balcony door.   Stand out of sight for about 2 minutes (because the squirrels almost always hear me and will dart away otherwise).  Then, ease out through the open door, assume my off-hand shooting stance, and squeeze the trigger until the gun fires.  Bingo, one less squirrel to dig up our pansies, chew holes into our attic, and nibble on our romex wiring.

Ken

At 08:11 PM 7/23/2003 +0000, you wrote:

Had a friend of mine shot a penny at 11.5 yards with my JW80. It
shoots 930 fps with 14.3 CP's. Busted the penny in two pieces !! The
amazing thing was that the penny was taped to a piece of cardboard
with clothes for a back stop. This thing will one hole it at this
range with this speed. Man I love these whizzers. Beauty, power,
accuracy,all in one package.I can go from FT to hunting to plinking
with the same gun. In the same day!! Anyone done anything fantastic
with JW's lately?

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From: Leo Duran < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=7LtY-UdMtJGDYwchQdQl0zyDHHo31wT0L_L4P5tSj8sv07Yy0a_HGdvIyQZcHHHSGAl_ZNR9llebfmcPaw >
Date: Thu Jul 24, 2003 0:24am
Subject: Re: Best .177 pellets?

 

Ken,

What skirts size were the JSBs you tested?
Did you try both?

Leo.

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> I didn't have as good of results with FTS as
> compared to JSBs. The JSB
> velocity was very high, too (like 1030 fps). JSBs
> grouped about the same
> at 35 yards as Kodiaks (all shots covered by a
> dime).
>
> Kodiaks were (as I remember) at about 975 to 980
> FPS. I use them
> exclusively now.
>
> Ken
>
> At 01:37 PM 7/23/2003 -0700, you wrote:
> >OK,
> >I'm rounding up some .177 pellets to test on my
> >"soon-to-be-here" JW-70.
> >
> >Here's my list so far:
> > Kodiak Match - 10.6gr (Ken's recommendation
> below)
> > FTS - 9.20gr
> > JSB - 8.44gr (same as Daystate, from AoA)
> >
> >Now, the JSBs come in two skirt sizes: 4.51 &
> 4.52mm.
> >Should I try them both ($7.95/500), or is there a
> >"known" better size for Whizzers?
> >
> >I'm disregardding CPH's for now, due to the
> "quality"
> >(or lack thereof) issues they seem to be suffering
> >from as of late - as noted below by Ken.
> >
> >Leo.
> >
> >--- Ken < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=Ucx0x1_ewlIAg3AYE0ncs_UltWgOOcz5Y8t-CrRkrclZXV8oKSd11cLRcWLvnGWX5tGwo5YkaHqc > wrote:
> > > I've settled on Kodiak Match pellets. They are
> much
> > > more consistent (in
> > > size) than CPHs. And, they don't need cleaning.
> > > They ran neck and neck
> > > with JSB heavies as far as grouping. CPHs were
> a
> > > distant 3rd place . . . .
> > > because of the inconsistent sizing, probably.
> In
> > > fact, some CPHs were so
> > > loose in the bore that I will not put any more
> of
> > > them into my Whiscombe
> > > for fear of spring/mechanism damage due to such
> a
> > > loose pellet fit. (out
> > > of a batch of 100, I counted 12 CPHs that were
> > > unacceptable).
> > >
> > > Ken
> >
> >
> >
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From: Ken < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=v86TeuFUILNkV7l5J-iVhsjBvOEAOv68HB6F91gx2ZHAeNtHgk0Ihj2psI5Uf4Hz8FUhdUuMyL1IZfvN >
Date: Thu Jul 24, 2003 4:03am
Subject: Re: Best .177 pellets?

 

Good question.  I don't remember, but I still have several tins of those pellets from the same sleeve.  Hang on a sec, I'll grab one . . . . . . . . . .

O.K., on the back of the tin there's a little red tag:  "S4.52"

Ken

At 04:24 PM 7/23/2003 -0700, you wrote:

Ken,

What skirts size were the JSBs you tested?
Did you try both?

Leo.

--- Ken Ridout wrote:
> I didn't have as good of results with FTS as
> compared to JSBs.   The JSB
> velocity was very high, too (like 1030 fps).   JSBs
> grouped about the same
> at 35 yards as Kodiaks (all shots covered by a
> dime).
>
> Kodiaks were (as I remember) at about 975 to 980
> FPS.   I use them
> exclusively now.
>
> Ken
>
> At 01:37 PM 7/23/2003 -0700, you wrote:
> >OK,
> >I'm rounding up some .177 pellets to test on my
> >"soon-to-be-here" JW-70.
> >
> >Here's my list so far:
> >  Kodiak Match - 10.6gr (Ken's recommendation
> below)
> >  FTS - 9.20gr
> >  JSB - 8.44gr (same as Daystate, from AoA)
> >
> >Now, the JSBs come in two skirt sizes: 4.51 &
> 4.52mm.
> >Should I try them both ($7.95/500), or is there a
> >"known" better size for Whizzers?
> >
> >I'm disregardding CPH's for now, due to the
> "quality"
> >(or lack thereof) issues they seem to be suffering
> >from as of late - as noted below by Ken.
> >
> >Leo.
> >
> >--- Ken wrote:
> > > I've settled on Kodiak Match pellets.  They are
> much
> > > more consistent (in
> > > size) than CPHs. And, they don't need cleaning.
> > > They ran neck and neck
> > > with JSB heavies as far as grouping.  CPHs were
> a
> > > distant 3rd place . . . .
> > > because of the inconsistent sizing, probably.
> In
> > > fact, some CPHs were so
> > > loose in the bore that I will not put any more
> of
> > > them into my Whiscombe
> > > for fear of spring/mechanism damage due to such
> a
> > > loose pellet fit.  (out
> > > of a batch of 100, I counted 12 CPHs that were
> > > unacceptable).
> > >
> > > Ken
> >
> >
> >
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From: happyhtr3 < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=tkzsB_qusX7oYjzGOuaoa6ehjmWU29SsHowzzIeH1ob4zuJOM7a7A-Rp-rPTGfRrU05_rYQQZnQ >
Date: Fri Jul 25, 2003 5:16pm
Subject: SS-1

 

Yesterday I put an old trusty ss-1 beeman scope on my 80 at an
attempt to make a good hunting setup. It turns out to be a nice set-
up.Concering the Jsb, daystate pellets--I am not sure the 4.51,.52
numbers designate head sizes. Maybe so but if you look inside the
skirts, you can notice a difference in the way each is made. So just
maybe the number have something to do with a dofferent measurement on
the pellets. Either one one them shoots fantastic in my JW's.

94

From: Leo Duran < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=yfaEqWLAvy6aoBKcDw8c_r_RhcP5_Na4lA-DlmEmuQu4MwdVQu7hsoHFcC7QsJqs4q0s4kO4TaVMXI_brg >
Date: Sat Jul 26, 2003 4:37pm
Subject: In regards to the silver/blueing (anodised)

 

Just talked with John, and he says he's going to discontinue the
silverized barrel/receiver: too much work & hassle for the return$ -
says he has to travel about 50 miles to a shop where to get some of
the work done.

By his account, there were only about a dozen made that way, so
those of you that have one, including me, are holding an even rarer
collector's item!

Leo.

95

From: Ken < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=-tDqbIpIJGOaebb5bgxiVzHIxt7KKd1VES2DACKtaS_1L9wmRniYFWegRg0XNqegKd9Hv5wZK8iCwx8 >
Date: Sun Jul 27, 2003 0:02am
Subject: Re: In regards to the silver/blueing (anodised)

 

Well, I'll be darned!

That's cool news.  I love my "silverized" Whiscombe.  Knowing that it was a limited edition make it even more dear to me.

Ken

At 03:37 PM 7/26/2003 +0000, you wrote:

Just talked with John, and he says he's going to discontinue the
silverized barrel/receiver: too much work & hassle for the return$ -
says he has to travel about 50 miles to a shop where to get some of
the work done.

By his account, there were only about a dozen made that way, so
those of you that have one, including me, are holding an even rarer
collector's item!

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From: happyhtr3 < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=AxtxO4asnr9GMFc6vXMSIgH07gQ3pDaGLbjuwkocGoIeKmldoXq9mDWtVKTvVqmC2Jw6BBhIGbDQyoE >
Date: Mon Jul 28, 2003 3:51pm
Subject: Leo

 

I am sure you will let everyone know when you get your silver top.
Have U ever seen one before? If not, you are in for a big surprise!!!
they are beautiful rifles.Go ahead and invest in a bore snake barrel
cleaner, blue loc-tite, a pad for notes,a good silicone cloth, some
strap wrenches if you will be changing barrels (not recommended until
you are completely familiar with the rifle),did you get a butt pad
spacer? I do not think you will need one cause if I remember right
you are about my height.(But they are nice to experiment with).You
may already have this stuff. I am excited for you. Will you be doing
BRouge again next year?

97

From: Leo Duran < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=uviTeB9ITU1FYbz_tj8gnortLvt83WnmMIB0Q1IXv1VdwphqOVRNYm65zfaDfGcnWTb2BJVubRcoF0M >
Date: Mon Jul 28, 2003 4:20pm
Subject: Re: Leo

 

Rod,

No I don't have any of that stuff you mentioned...
Well, I will now - thanks for the tip.

Whre do I get a butt-pad spacer from? Is that
something I shoul've gotten from JW? Or is it a
generic, univesal-type deal?

About Baton Rouge, you bet! I'll be there again.
Hopefully by then I'll know this gun good enough to
compete with it.

In regards to barrels, as I mentioned, I'll leave it
with the .22, and see how I do with it. JW makes a
very compelling argument for it: .22 at close to
20fpe, and no felt recoil... - it's worth trying
anyway.

Leo.

--- happyhtr3 < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=v_er7L4cyZpEsKp3JHpe-KPDwKO2B0KLEpbZCPICgrVoL1wbZiXt6HpdT5yE7m8YxTC5VuCgWEGl4GLq > wrote:
> I am sure you will let everyone know when you get
> your silver top.
> Have U ever seen one before? If not, you are in for
> a big surprise!!!
> they are beautiful rifles.Go ahead and invest in a
> bore snake barrel
> cleaner, blue loc-tite, a pad for notes,a good
> silicone cloth, some
> strap wrenches if you will be changing barrels (not
> recommended until
> you are completely familiar with the rifle),did you
> get a butt pad
> spacer? I do not think you will need one cause if I
> remember right
> you are about my height.(But they are nice to
> experiment with).You
> may already have this stuff. I am excited for you.
> Will you be doing
> BRouge again next year?
>
>

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From: happyhtr3 < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=a4V-GLvU_dKpaJ12QF1930ztdQEf2BG85aq5Ft40WzhEewjAobY26yFx6cRnH1a2cteLn3JKNQ4 >
Date: Mon Jul 28, 2003 6:10pm
Subject: Re: Leo

 

---Yes, Leo you can order that from JW. I think you should have it
sent with your gun if you can. I think you will like the .22 for FT.
Do your homework and get a good RF scope and it will serve you well.
After a while you may want to change but then again it may suffice
you. I think it boils down to personal likes-dislikes. I have done
some awsome things with the 80 in .22. I had a little fun with the 80
yesterday shooting pears out ot the top of my tree@ 50 yrds,offhand.
Man it really WHACKS/EXPOLODES them, especially on a center hit.I
think the .22 is the most accurate one to shoot. In BR it may be a
killer to rangefind accurately so know what you new scope will do in
the dark lanes.
In  http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=8GFjbNmfEgXgGLL8p2Q5Z3tzKCt1XHgUYlCKNm6Dy-R_U_Bz3jfnJLf-hZngSBRWrE9jKVT_7u-qr9frPydhpg , Leo Duran <leo_duran@y...> wrote:
> Rod,
>
> No I don't have any of that stuff you mentioned...
> Well, I will now - thanks for the tip.
>
> Whre do I get a butt-pad spacer from? Is that
> something I shoul've gotten from JW? Or is it a
> generic, univesal-type deal?
>
> About Baton Rouge, you bet! I'll be there again.
> Hopefully by then I'll know this gun good enough to
> compete with it.
>
> In regards to barrels, as I mentioned, I'll leave it
> with the .22, and see how I do with it. JW makes a
> very compelling argument for it: .22 at close to
> 20fpe, and no felt recoil... - it's worth trying
> anyway.
>
> Leo.
>
> --- happyhtr3 <happyhtr@w...> wrote:
> > I am sure you will let everyone know when you get
> > your silver top.
> > Have U ever seen one before? If not, you are in for
> > a big surprise!!!
> > they are beautiful rifles.Go ahead and invest in a
> > bore snake barrel
> > cleaner, blue loc-tite, a pad for notes,a good
> > silicone cloth, some
> > strap wrenches if you will be changing barrels (not
> > recommended until
> > you are completely familiar with the rifle),did you
> > get a butt pad
> > spacer? I do not think you will need one cause if I
> > remember right
> > you are about my height.(But they are nice to
> > experiment with).You
> > may already have this stuff. I am excited for you.
> > Will you be doing
> > BRouge again next year?
> >
> >
>
>
> =====
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>
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From: Leo Duran < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=9QFDE7uG_6rS9PcbpJfn3f3eMH0UhxnqUsOtixiJMepk2dZXGwL-SfqU3WKcT_5TiUqdbS1cIEnWHm8 >
Date: Sun Aug 3, 2003 5:17am
Subject: Just got this reply from JW...

 

From: John Whiscombe [mailto: http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=UM8dZwCxNH6n78nVwveULmMx-DfddscYDgNEq5mFs3FSV9N94rm4E92aJk37LEyfx6uSgC07TJW99ZO4QECYddHqPUzfHv0 ]
Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2003 2:05 PM
To: Duran, Leo
Subject: Re: Progress Inquiry

Hi Leo,
The aluminium is shot peened to smooth the surface then anodised
after having been chemically brightened and flash dipped in black
dye to give it the "blue rinse look".

The gun shoots nicely at about 800ft/sec in .22 and 950 ft/sec with
JSBs in .177. I had to change the springs around a bit to get the
best "feel" at the right power. It has ended up with 8" inners and
outers rather than 8.75" outers on their own. It is the first soft
70 that I have built and I like it. The normal 70 has 8.75" inners
and outers.

I will ship the gun out on Monday.
John W.

100

From: Ken < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=foatWEBfjqYP0DGpws9LLnsw7bLkPXNv1D7XmZfnRZzMbKtrWfh2ryMltZ9AgQ3O2b1T-5O2CWA >
Date: Sun Aug 3, 2003 5:51pm
Subject: Re: Just got this reply from JW...

 

Boy,  is that perfect or what!

950 with JSB's sounds great to me.  Almost makes me want another.

You may be surprised how quickly the gun arrives after he ships.  Mine was here in something like 6 or 7 days.

Ken

At 04:17 AM 8/3/2003 +0000, you wrote:

From: John Whiscombe [mailto:Johnwhiscombe@btopenworld.com]
Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2003 2:05 PM
To: Duran, Leo
Subject: Re: Progress Inquiry

Hi Leo,
The aluminium is shot peened to smooth the surface then anodised
after having been chemically brightened and flash dipped in black
dye to give it the "blue rinse look".

The gun shoots nicely at about 800ft/sec in .22 and 950 ft/sec with
JSBs in .177.  I had to change the springs around a bit to get the
best "feel" at the right power. It has ended up with 8" inners and
outers rather than 8.75" outers on their own. It is the first soft
70 that I have built and I like it. The normal 70 has 8.75" inners
and outers.

I will ship the gun out on Monday.
John W.

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From: dagobblerus < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=LzDupMCCOuCs8xQw4oDUWor96H3pzpflZM3hfM-oSqlnJe7Ez6Ics2u3_pRFOp5RUdvbA6fWVg >
Date: Tue Aug 5, 2003 5:42am
Subject: new order

 

Hello everyone,

I'm taking the initial steps for ordering a whiscombe. Just sold an
airgun and I'll be sending off the deposit sometime within the next
two weeks. I emailed John and he said that he accepts the initial
deposit in US dollars and the rest in Sterlings. That'll save me an
extra step, Cool! I'll be ordering the JW 70 "soft" spec. in .22 cal
and maybe add a .177 cal barrel. I'm really excited to be getting
one of these. He also said that the waiting list is about 6 months
so that leaves me with time to collect the rest of the funds. Now
time to start thinking of what to scope it with. Any suggestions?

Thanks,

gabe

102

From: Ken Ridout < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=SZdI5Rdc7Kd1R2x2mRnF9KGDdoWJtAhjEUDHMUr6dH5VBikrrbX0a49BOJhnPsxDFwltLuwcKA >
Date: Tue Aug 5, 2003 2:13pm
Subject: Re: new order

 

Well, I know someone that's going to have a smile on his face in a few months. 

Everyone that shot mine got a big ear-to-ear smile on their face as soon as the rifle fired.  It's the coolest feeling.

I had to come up with pounds for the down payment, too; so if John has relaxed that requirement a bit it will be a lot easier to get an order placed.  I think it would be easier to convert dollars to pounds at his bank than it is to get British Sterling Pounds from our banking system.  It took me over a week through Bank of America. 

Ken

At 04:42 AM 8/5/2003 +0000, you wrote:

Hello everyone,

I'm taking the initial steps for ordering a whiscombe.  Just sold an
airgun and I'll be sending off the deposit sometime within the next
two weeks.  I emailed John and he said that he accepts the initial
deposit in US dollars and the rest in Sterlings.  That'll save me an
extra step, Cool!  I'll be ordering the JW 70 "soft" spec. in .22 cal
and maybe add a .177 cal barrel.  I'm really excited to be getting
one of these.  He also said that the waiting list is about 6 months
so that leaves me with time to collect the rest of the funds.  Now
time to start thinking of what to scope it with. Any suggestions?

Thanks,

gabe

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From: Leo Duran < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=11tzQVmAWwXDXTX2Cvs5ZaQCup6zuy4QUFHMnLUIFXBOO3_qcyXOnWY5b6X6N90Rur7X5cSK1UuZYibzg0o >
Date: Tue Aug 5, 2003 3:51pm
Subject: Re: new order

 

I made my final payment via "MoneyGram", available
from "The Money Box", and others.

Although the service charge is steep, at $118, they
use the prime-internation exchange rate (lowest
possible) - so, when you add it up, it all comes to
less out of pocket. Also, there aren't any hidden,
intermediate fees (your won't be greasing any palms).
The money is wire-transferred to all "MoneyGram"
participants in the UK, so John just goes to his
nearer town and get his funds (UK pounds)
cash-on-the-spot.

It worked for me.
Leo.

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> Well, I know someone that's going to have a smile on
> his face in a few
> months.
>
> Everyone that shot mine got a big ear-to-ear smile
> on their face as soon as
> the rifle fired. It's the coolest feeling.
>
> I had to come up with pounds for the down payment,
> too; so if John has
> relaxed that requirement a bit it will be a lot
> easier to get an order
> placed. I think it would be easier to convert
> dollars to pounds at his
> bank than it is to get British Sterling Pounds from
> our banking system. It
> took me over a week through Bank of America.
>
> Ken
>
> At 04:42 AM 8/5/2003 +0000, you wrote:
> >Hello everyone,
> >
> >I'm taking the initial steps for ordering a
> whiscombe. Just sold an
> >airgun and I'll be sending off the deposit sometime
> within the next
> >two weeks. I emailed John and he said that he
> accepts the initial
> >deposit in US dollars and the rest in Sterlings.
> That'll save me an
> >extra step, Cool! I'll be ordering the JW 70
> "soft" spec. in .22 cal
> >and maybe add a .177 cal barrel. I'm really
> excited to be getting
> >one of these. He also said that the waiting list
> is about 6 months
> >so that leaves me with time to collect the rest of
> the funds. Now
> >time to start thinking of what to scope it with.
> Any suggestions?
> >
> >Thanks,
> >
> >gabe
> >
> >
> >
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From: Leo Duran < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=JSB2Jy1KgHhYjvW6Bn0TnFEhHbZUlriF2IP-8TnQFd4_HO8VpzGqUnfD-mKGQhdLKupAvF8XdGoryT-w >
Date: Tue Aug 5, 2003 6:05pm
Subject: Re: new order

 

BTW, I got the "MoneyGram" idea from the folks at
American Express.

In regards to the "best choice" of scope, I guess it
would depend a lot on the intended use of the gun:
Field target, Silhouette, Hunting, General-purpose,
etc.

For field target, for example, the following seem to
be the "people's favorites":
Bushnell Elite 4200 6-24x40, and 8-32x40 - under $500
Leopold Competition 35X from Premier Reticle (range
adjusted to FT- under $1000

If you like side-wheel focus, Tim at Mac-1 has some
Hakkos 8-34x56, and 8-50x56 - under $700

Leo.

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From: dagobblerus < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=eP6V_48w-7aD8R_IKMFiQLHtpbsPdEzSUz3Hpz5PiQlaa2t6uxMEHZ6SN7hHpU2LEgMVyOxtT0JQiA >
Date: Tue Aug 5, 2003 9:18pm
Subject: new order

 

Thanks for the tip Leo. I'll check into it when I make the final
payment. I think I'll end up getting an elite 6-24. I had one and
really liked it. I was thinking of a leupold, but they're kinda
pricey.

gabe

106

From: Ken Ridout < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=qWyGez7aKF15p3w9wl35gCUmBYoVrWOTEba_l7x7TNPtY0FgMjw7PXNDZOxCyu1AsJqq9g4SsYkH >
Date: Tue Aug 5, 2003 9:17pm
Subject: Re: new order

 

I have the Bushnell 8-32X Rainguard Elite on mine.  A fine rifle justifies a fine scope. 

When I get over my current illness (Harley-itis) a new Leupold is in my future for the Whiscombe.

Ken

At 08:18 PM 8/5/2003 +0000, you wrote:

Thanks for the tip Leo.  I'll check into it when I make the final
payment.  I think I'll end up getting an elite 6-24.  I had one and
really liked it.  I was thinking of a leupold, but they're kinda
pricey. 

gabe

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From: Leo Duran < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=ybkdS1D5QdSMwonuXzhoXl5C7f21eqh_h6hkNSyEjdc8_6XQiP2Hhzzmy4Fum0Pyv12lk-gB_tXFGZvBD50 >
Date: Sat Aug 16, 2003 5:34pm
Subject: Well, it has arrived!

 

The first "soft-spring"-70 has left the lot, and it's now on my
grease little hands... I'm lubing .22 pellets now.

Leo.

108

From: dagobblerus < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=GwPALXxqKkQ0a7-J-5d4Be1Sv8oGxLxW46wyvH1xAnttZ-UlxgEgop7pVv6n8z2ySCe0VBA4yN34ZQ >
Date: Sat Aug 16, 2003 8:48pm
Subject: Re: Well, it has arrived!

 

--- In  http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=bh29YD3_SheAK9xm5rMYkHTr4egwpZwTbOSJqzauSI02sekO9kd_V4fbu7AxtQ2iD8MxKNR1R-hDxbXshEMj7w , "Leo Duran" <leo_duran@y...> wrote:
> The first "soft-spring"-70 has left the lot, and it's now on my
> grease little hands... I'm lubing .22 pellets now.
>
> Leo.
Congratulations,

That's the model that I'm going to order and in .22 cal. Let us
know what you think of it. It's a two stroker,right? If you have
pics, that would be awesome.

gabe

109

From: Leo Duran < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=KJPiPxj7g8fsGJ2Siigp8DgAHs1URB_X1Hni6nSA5X4U3ELGC9W_6HHE28vWcFDZsTLTwKnB4jLSPmIzmE8 >
Date: Sun Aug 17, 2003 1:54am
Subject: Re: Re: Well, it has arrived!

 

Gabe,

I posted some pics, "Leo's JW-70...", at:
http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/lst

Yes, it's a two-stroker, as it supersedes the JW-65.
I shot a few pellets today, and, as expeted, the
action is real smooth. I also got the .177 barrel,
but the .22 is what's I'm using for now.

I chronoed a 10-shot group, using .22 CPH:
High: 810 fps
Low: 803 fps
Avg: 807 fps

Right around 20fpe (20.68) - But, I do have a couple
of restrictors: 2.5mm, and 3mm, in case I need to tone
it down some for FT.

After sighting-in at 30 yards, I got this 5-shot group
in the attached pic. This gun is real sweet to shoot,
and it's not even broken in yet!

Leo.

> Congratulations,
>
> That's the model that I'm going to order and in .22
> cal. Let us
> know what you think of it. It's a two
> stroker,right? If you have
> pics, that would be awesome.
>
> gabe
>
>

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From: JONATHAN ULRICH < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=0TbU56wyfL3UnNzCDONnu1ecUO39-JYAtbyrGEILrGm2K8xBp3lVW1q_D-7-x-Bc47iuReWTNlw >
Date: Sun Aug 17, 2003 2:14am
Subject: Re: Re: Well, it has arrived!

 

Leo,

 

Did JW provide a manual/written instructions? TIA

 

John Ulrich

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Leo Duran

To: Whiscombe@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2003 7:54 PM

Subject: Re: [Whiscombe] Re: Well, it has arrived!

 

Gabe,

I posted some pics, "Leo's JW-70...", at:
http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/lst

Yes, it's a two-stroker, as it supersedes the JW-65.
I shot a few pellets today, and, as expeted, the
action is real smooth.  I also got the .177 barrel,
but the .22 is what's I'm using for now.

I chronoed a 10-shot group, using .22 CPH:
High: 810 fps
Low: 803 fps
Avg: 807 fps

Right around 20fpe (20.68) - But, I do have a couple
of restrictors: 2.5mm, and 3mm, in case I need to tone
it down some for FT.

After sighting-in at 30 yards, I got this 5-shot group
in the attached pic.  This gun is real sweet to shoot,
and it's not even broken in yet!

Leo.

> Congratulations,
>
> That's the model that I'm going to order and in .22
> cal.    Let us
> know what you think of it.  It's a two
> stroker,right?  If you have
> pics, that would be awesome.
>
> gabe
>
>

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From: Leo Duran < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=W3davgN7u9ZGp20HMVSikypIzQCq-cpQJcrrlKNgCfWNT20HDWS0vfXnQ_5qKADl76I1QPNp7oLh9JA6 >
Date: Sun Aug 17, 2003 4:24am
Subject: Re: Re: Well, it has arrived!

 

Yes, he sent:
1) hand-written note: how to remove/install the
restrictors, and about lubing the pellets.
2) typed-copy: operating instructions, about how to
cock/load/shoot the gun.
3) typed-copy: barrel changing intructions.
4) typed-copy: match trigger adjustments.
5) typed-copy: HOTS adjustment intructions.

--- JONATHAN ULRICH < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=7RxsPrTsP8fkqPkybrt-xWeuS8hkj_mVxe6PeSNSWEizWQ8OhnKo97l3ZwoTHzgpelU2LZxIep0 > wrote:
> Leo,
>
> Did JW provide a manual/written instructions? TIA
>
> John Ulrich

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From: Ken < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=FG3_IBr1NKCltETNEkoy-UXq7AsIWYJUAOGe1oGS59Jg0FsGI655PWtvbkUTiRdE0PIZ3ZW5lWJsDQ >
Date: Sun Aug 17, 2003 4:29am
Subject: Re: Re: Well, it has arrived!

 

If you can figure out the HOTS adjustment instructions, please show me how next time we shoot together.

I think it takes meticulous hours of shooting groups (trial and error) to find the sweet spot.,

Ken

At 08:24 PM 8/16/2003 -0700, you wrote:

Yes, he sent:
1) hand-written note: how to remove/install the
restrictors, and about lubing the pellets.
2) typed-copy: operating instructions, about how to
cock/load/shoot the gun.
3) typed-copy: barrel changing intructions.
4) typed-copy: match trigger adjustments.
5) typed-copy: HOTS adjustment intructions.

--- JONATHAN ULRICH wrote:
> Leo,
>
> Did JW provide a manual/written instructions? TIA
>
> John Ulrich

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From: Leo Duran < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=mxBS-EKTvUG14HYKxpmyTG1OPppMb7dOLN7d7G0OKIYHGfP7qBWuzy3spvXPi9k795XNBSUuiT2knA >
Date: Sun Aug 17, 2003 5:02am
Subject: Re: Re: Well, it has arrived!

 

Ken,

He said: "...both HOTS are rougly adjusted for their
respective 20fpe (.22), and 17fpe (.177)...". So, I
honestly have not intention of messing with them in
the shor-term.

But, he went on to say: "...but they could do with a
little fine-tuning... adjusting the HOTS is OK, as
long as you remember where you start."

I'll let you know if/when I learn how to do it.
But, I'm actually hoping we could both learm from an
experienced shooter, maybe someone else in this group?

Leo.

--- Ken < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=Vg8FiSGfl2k8Vpmzap9SgDT8EPE7hOpPQ4TjMgGHNL9nqVl8Qa_VZ6hIsTbtJkB7qrMg_4k4cwPV > wrote:
> If you can figure out the HOTS adjustment
> instructions, please show me how
> next time we shoot together.
>
> I think it takes meticulous hours of shooting groups
> (trial and error) to
> find the sweet spot.,
>
> Ken
>

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From: Ken < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=Jb_6rZXiXc6MiyB_jIYBU8Lqu_PYTh3Q3BcUbO9YbP-YlWGYDauqzQzagjdaWlOdy4mqSBgKjJIS >
Date: Sun Aug 17, 2003 1:52pm
Subject: Re: Re: Well, it has arrived!

 

Mine came loose while shooting and the groups went all to heck.  I think the bad groups were more because of the loose weight than mis-tuning.  Anyway, I had no idea where the initial adjustment was.  I tried to re-tune the HOTS and finally gave up.  I couldn't find any adjustment that was any better than any other adjustment.  So, I tightened it back up where it was and it's been like that for months. 

Ken

At 09:02 PM 8/16/2003 -0700, you wrote:

Ken,

He said: "...both HOTS are rougly adjusted for their
respective 20fpe (.22), and 17fpe (.177)...". So, I
honestly have not intention of messing with them in
the shor-term.

But, he went on to say: "...but they could do with a
little fine-tuning... adjusting the HOTS is OK, as
long as you remember where you start."

I'll let you know if/when I learn how to do it.
But, I'm actually hoping we could both learm from an
experienced shooter, maybe someone else in this group?

Leo.

--- Ken wrote:
> If you can figure out the HOTS adjustment
> instructions, please show me how
> next time we shoot together.
>
> I think it takes meticulous hours of shooting groups
> (trial and error) to
> find the sweet spot.,
>
> Ken
>

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From: happyhtr3 < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=_G4achYFisjqaVQa7YRysSRX6XNaQGaMz4LvBwoNBw4hXzqgslmI-Wx-DrjEcE7SHniIcsAqa5P- >
Date: Sun Aug 17, 2003 6:10pm
Subject: HOTS

 

Hi Leo, congrats on the now HD toy. I probably would not touch the
HOTS yet. Not that I think you would not or could not improve groups,
you might. But once you loosen them you might have a prob with it
coming loose in the future. I would use my time adjusting myself to
the gun first, then fine tune the gun much later. The gun will shoot
fat pencil sized 5 shot (centered) groups at 30yrds --always without
the benefit of a bench.Other spring guns can as well just not at the
JW high energy level. That is what makes these guns so unique. When
you can do this then tweek on it if you like. If you don't get those
type groups then be able to call your misses.I assume you can't yet
so forgive me if you can!! . Don't touch the trigger yet either. John
sets them up really good. When you can tell something does not feel
right with it, then adjust it. If you feel nothing you are not
adjusted to the gun yet. Just some advice from someone that has MANY
thousands of rounds through whizzers. Actually I have an
unofficial "soft" seventy. John and I talked about the "soft" seventy
and I was (or at least one of) his guinea pig(s) (especially in the
USA) for the soft idea.I am crazy about a "soft" 80 too! I have been
shooting more lately and am amazed with these guns. The JSB's will
shoot really well at high velocities too. I will explore that more
later. I just touched on HV a little . If I remember correctly, I
believe the pellets got "touchy" in the wind at HV (1050fps). Have a
ball and remember You just can not wear the rifles out so just shoot,
shoot, shoot.--Rod

116

From: Leo Duran < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=rg71Mkn0v2tLbczpHUKJI6hVCfPgFtAmlPW3qID1W4ex5BM-pZP9h1x556PqUOKsudCMeNC1ZPsxAEM >
Date: Sun Aug 17, 2003 9:33pm
Subject: Re: HOTS

 

Rod,

Thanks for the feedback.
About scope sight-in: do you not rest the gun?

With my other springers (R1, R8, and HW-97), I rest
the forearm on a "ProtekTor" leather bag, and use my
left hand to support the bottom-rear of the stock - by
the butt.

With my SLR-98, Theoben gas-ram, I place my left hand
on top of the "ProtekTor" bag, and rest the forearm on
the palm of my hand. That gun groups better that way.

How do you get your scope "clicks" with the Whizzer?
Don't tell me you shoot off-hand, or from an FT
position!

Leo.

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From: happyhtr3 < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=h2K_4X8_648TT8Bm3FQh9A0XLc1fqHG8BbNwNkljp2RzPQszT2om0SDUxVV4cA25s2WmVGJr82dLqPcumw >
Date: Mon Aug 18, 2003 5:17pm
Subject: Re: HOTS

 

--- In  http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=SwCewRIKdNOu1YxWNNFvBkOmwnMffr4TWqGp70kwTOk5w1EETQolDqODCf_YVufKm4WiB3pHuLvulOGg7xeUEjxyF5c , Leo Duran <leo_duran@y...> wrote:
> Rod,
>
> Thanks for the feedback.
> About scope sight-in: do you not rest the gun?
>
> With my other springers (R1, R8, and HW-97), I rest
> the forearm on a "ProtekTor" leather bag, and use my
> left hand to support the bottom-rear of the stock - by
> the butt.
>
> With my SLR-98, Theoben gas-ram, I place my left hand
> on top of the "ProtekTor" bag, and rest the forearm on
> the palm of my hand. That gun groups better that way.
>
> How do you get your scope "clicks" with the Whizzer?
> Don't tell me you shoot off-hand, or from an FT
> position!
>
> Leo.
Hello Leo, No I have never sighted in ANY my rifles off of a bench.
All shooting is done from the FT position. I feel the bench kinda
messes me up for FT cause I feel I need to keep my motor controls
improving. Write more Later!
>
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From: Ken Ridout < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=DocXWRxR77j8DBbpknFJZm2Krtewfvs2eDFXTPB24CDHFdOWZX_WVPOAoqx5ozVfEWzQFrJgIYY >
Date: Mon Aug 18, 2003 5:34pm
Subject: Re: Re: HOTS

 

I also do most of my sighting-in 0f air rifles from the seated FT position.   Especially with springers, this seems to approximate the recoil-biased trajectory better than shooting from a bench.  It may be because of similar shoulder pressure. (I look pretty silly sitting on the concrete at the range, shooting from UNDER the shooting benches; but it works for me.)

For attempting to adjust the HOTS, though (and other pellet testing) I used a benchrest and folded-up towel. 

Ken

At 04:17 PM 8/18/2003 +0000, you wrote:

--- In Whiscombe@yahoogroups.com, Leo Duran wrote:
> Rod,
>
> Thanks for the feedback.
> About scope sight-in: do you not rest the gun?
>
> With my other springers (R1, R8, and HW-97), I rest
> the forearm on a "ProtekTor" leather bag, and use my
> left hand to support the bottom-rear of the stock - by
> the butt.
>
> With my SLR-98, Theoben gas-ram, I place my left hand
> on top of the "ProtekTor" bag, and rest the forearm on
> the palm of my hand.  That gun groups better that way.
>
> How do you get your scope "clicks" with the Whizzer?
> Don't tell me you shoot off-hand, or from an FT
> position!
>
> Leo.                                                              
Hello Leo, No I have never sighted in ANY my rifles off of a bench.
All shooting is done from the FT position. I feel the bench kinda
messes me up for FT cause I feel I need to keep my motor controls
improving. Write more Later!
>
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From: Leo Duran < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=tVcZMmM0v-FOUisJJN34X5KVCqStZlN4pQqdX2TcUidTaMs1si6-KzCXUh7OoUiF2K9VewJNQtUt >
Date: Mon Aug 18, 2003 5:45pm
Subject: Re: Re: HOTS

 

Ken, Rod,

What you guys are saying makes a lot of sense... but
it does add extra burden on the part of the shooter.
Boy, I need to improve my hold from the FT sitting
position!!

Leo.

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> I also do most of my sighting-in 0f air rifles from
> the seated FT
> position. Especially with springers, this seems to
> approximate the
> recoil-biased trajectory better than shooting from a
> bench. It may be
> because of similar shoulder pressure. (I look pretty
> silly sitting on the
> concrete at the range, shooting from UNDER the
> shooting benches; but it
> works for me.)
>
> For attempting to adjust the HOTS, though (and other
> pellet testing) I used
> a benchrest and folded-up towel.
>
> Ken
>
>
> At 04:17 PM 8/18/2003 +0000, you wrote:
> >--- In  http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=w8FXj-tzP6-DOwO53T7nJI72yUtPEquTUbGzyZPBNzA3UBtl8v9u1HkjsotUraolIszN2FN9YXDj8uZWG41C , Leo Duran
> <leo_duran@y...> wrote:
> > > Rod,
> > >
> > > Thanks for the feedback.
> > > About scope sight-in: do you not rest the gun?
> > >
> > > With my other springers (R1, R8, and HW-97), I
> rest
> > > the forearm on a "ProtekTor" leather bag, and
> use my
> > > left hand to support the bottom-rear of the
> stock - by
> > > the butt.
> > >
> > > With my SLR-98, Theoben gas-ram, I place my left
> hand
> > > on top of the "ProtekTor" bag, and rest the
> forearm on
> > > the palm of my hand. That gun groups better
> that way.
> > >
> > > How do you get your scope "clicks" with the
> Whizzer?
> > > Don't tell me you shoot off-hand, or from an FT
> > > position!
> > >
> > > Leo.
> >Hello Leo, No I have never sighted in ANY my rifles
> off of a bench.
> >All shooting is done from the FT position. I feel
> the bench kinda
> >messes me up for FT cause I feel I need to keep my
> motor controls
> >improving. Write more Later!

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From: happyhtr3 < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=Uo7IdivfA88i5u-fKkDUeiZVdsqhVGJCOetgOz9lUxvfjKAlmnGXOEmfes_T-LJjXWNP4HfLNan_vr7hZQ >
Date: Mon Aug 18, 2003 7:35pm
Subject: HOTS

 

Leo, actually I shoot worse from the bench. I know it doesn't make
sense and maybe I should spend more time at it but I get really
impatient when the pellets do not hit where I think they should on a
bench. I do not know how to do it from a bench. Nore do I want to.
The HOTS has to do with some type of harmonics right? Why would I
adjust it on a bench when the harmonics more than likely will change
when I get off a bench? I can't shoot any better than hitting a 1"
spinner most of the time at 50 (which means 1/2" accuracy or better).
So I do not touch the HOTS. Write more later-break over--Rod

121

From: Leo Duran < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=jAm5qszjzOMxluZoWg1fo48e6LelJamD-KBe57QUgZwl7SLAhed9O6wAfEAyyZR4iE5n5rJzXxdevXdI >
Date: Tue Aug 19, 2003 2:03am
Subject: In regards to spare parts...

 

Fellows,

I was wondering about what's the mostly needed replacement part...
I was thinking that maybe I ought to get a spare "pair" of springs
to match my gun, as their likely to change in the future, and it may
be difficult to get a close match. Should I even worry about this?

Regards,
Leo.

122

From: Ken Ridout < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=KYHOhx5eTRJODi9C8hxakedj5Cg2LoijxgBB2XA3sU7bAbvmH3B_Emqh1x2x1-QXDv1WUuNy6g >
Date: Tue Aug 19, 2003 1:47pm
Subject: Re: In regards to spare parts...

 

I wondered the same thing.  Then, I learned that nobody much else stocks spares; and people have had and shoot their Whiscombes for 10 years or more without problems or worry.  SO, I decided not to worry, too.

Ken

At 01:03 AM 8/19/2003 +0000, you wrote:

Fellows,

I was wondering about what's the mostly needed replacement part...
I was thinking that maybe I ought to get a spare "pair" of springs
to match my gun, as their likely to change in the future, and it may
be difficult to get a close match.  Should I even worry about this?

Regards,
Leo.

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Date: Tue Aug 19, 2003 7:38pm
Subject: Spare parts?

 

I asked JW the same question years ago. He said it wasn't needed.
That tells me a lot about JW and the quality of the guns/parts. He
had the perfect oppurtunity to make some money off of me , but chose
not to. If you have any problems they usually come as soon as you get
the rifle. My 80 had problems though. JW fixed them free ,but I had
to pay for some shipping. I learned to take the guns apart myself. I
will probably order another 80 soon if that tells you anything (other
than I am airgun crazy). Do not worry about parts. Just shoot!! So
what do you think about extra parts?

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Date: Sun Aug 24, 2003 9:54pm
Subject: Which one is best?55 or 70?

 

Had a wonderful time yesterday at our home match (TVA). Not a lot of
shooters there for the FT match (4or5) though. It was a windless day
so my 15 ft lbs was not affected by wind (at least to any degree I
couldn't easily manage). I was shootin good and shot 96% (with the
55).I missed one shot. I do not know if I like the 55 or 70 the best.
I truly belive I can shoot the 70 better, Maybe because I have sooo
many pellets through it. I do not know. Anyway I had a ball. Leo, how
U doin? I guess you have been using your spare time shootin huh? Well
to all thinking about a JW gun-- Save up , sacrifice and do it, you
will not regret it. Anyone else doin any JW shooting?

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From: Leo Duran < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=B8P8mZjm1qMkS1z70ESpm1rllTLnLKkDCES3puJG53UzfVfI_kY1EEAkf3yKUikuC9p5qeH3C4lOIYfAfNI >
Date: Mon Aug 25, 2003 3:40am
Subject: Re: Which one is best?55 or 70?

 

Rod,

Sounds like you're doing real well at FT... congrats!

I haven't been able to shoot very much lately. My
oldest daughter is starting college this year, she's a
"Longhorn" like her dad, so I've been pretty busy with
that.

I did have a fellow airgunner come by on Saturday to
look at the Whizzer, and we shot a few pellets to a
13-yd "spinner" setup I've got on my back fence. I
was hitting the 3/4" off-hand, no probs... As you well
know, this gun does not feel like a springer, it sure
is sweet!

Leo.

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From: David N. Kahn < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=IY2Uk6-M4cuEgqlx4TV7brfGE7MH5ScM_WMxx70O1lMBu-Q-rVE1yI7-FFwpRIDWVo7vovZRZPF8AoPo0Vs >
Date: Tue Aug 26, 2003 4:47pm
Subject: Mr. Whiscombe's Web Site

 

    I'm a new guy here, though I've been interested in John Whiscombe's stuff quite a long time.  I've been trying to revisit his web site to drool and contemplate juggling my bank account yet again . . . but for the last week or so whenever I click onto the URL I'm transported to a dialog screen proclaiming unavailability.  Is there some problem?

 

                                David Kahn

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From: Ken < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=aJ5x__G41EDK7bjTKyvS_EUb1lCOsoEXDm3ykHADG-KgLnOwdEF_JTsC6hK2j1whcGeB9Gjto8HAng >
Date: Wed Sep 3, 2003 4:54am
Subject: Re: Mr. Whiscombe's Web Site

 

Which URL are you trying?  I think he has a couple.

Ken

At 09:47 AM 8/26/2003 -0600, you wrote:

    I'm a new guy here, though I've been interested in John Whiscombe's stuff quite a long time.  I've been trying to revisit his web site to drool and contemplate juggling my bank account yet again . . . but for the last week or so whenever I click onto the URL I'm transported to a dialog screen proclaiming unavailability.  Is there some problem?
 
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Date: Wed Sep 3, 2003 6:43pm
Subject: Re: Mr. Whiscombe's Web Site

 

Ken,

 

    I'm keying  http://www.whiscombe.com/ , which is, to my ever more enfeebled recollection, where I've gone before when I've looked and from which I've e-mailed JW in the past.  I just tried again and got an Action Cancelled: Can't Connect screen.

 

    Doubt it's my system, since I've been running all over the 'Net without trammel.

 

    Thanks.

           

                                        David

----- Original Message -----

From: Ken

To: Whiscombe@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 9:54 PM

Subject: Re: [Whiscombe] Mr. Whiscombe's Web Site

 

Which URL are you trying?  I think he has a couple.

Ken

At 09:47 AM 8/26/2003 -0600, you wrote:

    I'm a new guy here, though I've been interested in John Whiscombe's stuff quite a long time.  I've been trying to revisit his web site to drool and contemplate juggling my bank account yet again . . . but for the last week or so whenever I click onto the URL I'm transported to a dialog screen proclaiming unavailability.  Is there some problem?
 
                                David Kahn

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From: Ken < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=tQtJs2zFy-7ljz8zHeolTEgnSME_jvYNZklyxBvXkj-fPA4UoKPOscuq-dTAqhW7wC3Nd5xl2ADBGFM0 >
Date: Wed Sep 3, 2003 8:15pm
Subject: Re: Mr. Whiscombe's Web Site

 

I just tried it by clicking on the URL you included in the text.  It took me to a different site for Whiscombe.

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/sgoodwin/JW/index.html

Try this and see what happens.  It worked for me.

Ken

At 11:43 AM 9/3/2003 -0600, you wrote:

Ken,
 
    I'm keying  http://www.whiscombe.com/ , which is, to my ever more enfeebled recollection, where I've gone before when I've looked and from which I've e-mailed JW in the past.  I just tried again and got an Action Cancelled: Can't Connect screen.
 
    Doubt it's my system, since I've been running all over the 'Net without trammel.
 
    Thanks.
           
                                        David

----- Original Message -----

From: Ken

To: Whiscombe@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 9:54 PM

Subject: Re: [Whiscombe] Mr. Whiscombe's Web Site

Which URL are you trying?  I think he has a couple.

Ken

At 09:47 AM 8/26/2003 -0600, you wrote:

    I'm a new guy here, though I've been interested in John Whiscombe's stuff quite a long time.  I've been trying to revisit his web site to drool and contemplate juggling my bank account yet again . . . but for the last week or so whenever I click onto the URL I'm transported to a dialog screen proclaiming unavailability.  Is there some problem?

 

                                David Kahn

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From: David N. Kahn < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=tN7QeHyyF171zJyfqqIC7onDWZgt339lHmsByMRJ_yRRXBIJpcWUk2P9SNK_7zoG29QUIyM7tqvrXSdx0A >
Date: Wed Sep 3, 2003 9:03pm
Subject: Re: Mr. Whiscombe's Web Site

 

Well, mirabile dictu!  Worked like a charm.  Thank you very much.

 

                        David

----- Original Message -----

From: Ken

To: Whiscombe@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2003 1:15 PM

Subject: Re: [Whiscombe] Mr. Whiscombe's Web Site

 

I just tried it by clicking on the URL you included in the text.  It took me to a different site for Whiscombe.

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/sgoodwin/JW/index.html

Try this and see what happens.  It worked for me.

Ken

At 11:43 AM 9/3/2003 -0600, you wrote:

Ken,
 
    I'm keying  http://www.whiscombe.com/ , which is, to my ever more enfeebled recollection, where I've gone before when I've looked and from which I've e-mailed JW in the past.  I just tried again and got an Action Cancelled: Can't Connect screen.
 
    Doubt it's my system, since I've been running all over the 'Net without trammel.
 
    Thanks.
           
                                        David

----- Original Message -----

From: Ken

To: Whiscombe@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 9:54 PM

Subject: Re: [Whiscombe] Mr. Whiscombe's Web Site

Which URL are you trying?  I think he has a couple.

Ken

At 09:47 AM 8/26/2003 -0600, you wrote:

    I'm a new guy here, though I've been interested in John Whiscombe's stuff quite a long time.  I've been trying to revisit his web site to drool and contemplate juggling my bank account yet again . . . but for the last week or so whenever I click onto the URL I'm transported to a dialog screen proclaiming unavailability.  Is there some problem?

 

                                David Kahn

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From: David N. Kahn < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=84Q75gYFjUwBL5feonTyA7dsJ3PAzGk90-cLVKZppxlfenpy1VqJK9w0GJJA55dwCDWcHHwec3xnTJDd >
Date: Thu Sep 4, 2003 6:15pm
Subject: Local Whiscomber

 

Ladies and Gents,

 

    I live in the Greater Denver megalopolis.  Is there anyone hereabouts in driving distance who has one of Mr. Whiscombe's beauties and would be willing to let me take a look at his pride and joy?  Maybe--say it softly--even let me shoot it?  As I connive and juggle to place an order, I would find it reassuring to see one in the flesh to confirm my decision.

 

    Thanks.

 

                            David Kahn

 

                                   

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From: Ken < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=pXiYxyVm56qCdvA6VvUCe2G4nHArwFkVLhOsZr2pbPkT0UmWHer7qlEIUusY0eyJ6iq0oIQ8NWo >
Date: Thu Sep 4, 2003 11:42pm
Subject: Re: Local Whiscomber

 

I'm going to Estes Park in a few weeks.  I COULD be talked into taking my Whiscombe with us if you'd like to come up to the Y-Camp (YMCA of the Rockies) to see it.  I don't think they allow weapons at the Y-Camp, but maybe we could find a place to let you shoot it.
(this would be with my wife's approval, it's our first vacation together in almost 20 years).

Ken

At 11:15 AM 9/4/2003 -0600, you wrote:

Ladies and Gents,
 
    I live in the Greater Denver megalopolis.  Is there anyone hereabouts in driving distance who has one of Mr. Whiscombe's beauties and would be willing to let me take a look at his pride and joy?  Maybe--say it softly--even let me shoot it?  As I connive and juggle to place an order, I would find it reassuring to see one in the flesh to confirm my decision.
 
    Thanks.
 
                            David Kahn
 
                                  

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Date: Fri Sep 5, 2003 2:54pm
Subject: Re: Local Whiscomber

 

Ken,

 

    Please let me know if you plan to bring the rifle, so that I can arrange to visit at your convenience and, of course, your wife's acquiescence.  It would be interesting to put a face with a name anyway.  And thanks for your offer.

 

                                David

----- Original Message -----

From: Ken

To: Whiscombe@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 4:42 PM

Subject: Re: [Whiscombe] Local Whiscomber

 

I'm going to Estes Park in a few weeks.  I COULD be talked into taking my Whiscombe with us if you'd like to come up to the Y-Camp (YMCA of the Rockies) to see it.  I don't think they allow weapons at the Y-Camp, but maybe we could find a place to let you shoot it.
(this would be with my wife's approval, it's our first vacation together in almost 20 years).

Ken

At 11:15 AM 9/4/2003 -0600, you wrote:

Ladies and Gents,
 
    I live in the Greater Denver megalopolis.  Is there anyone hereabouts in driving distance who has one of Mr. Whiscombe's beauties and would be willing to let me take a look at his pride and joy?  Maybe--say it softly--even let me shoot it?  As I connive and juggle to place an order, I would find it reassuring to see one in the flesh to confirm my decision.
 
    Thanks.
 
                            David Kahn
 
                                  

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From: Ken Ridout < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=wtNmIjly7tCUqGIyXDJLyqUaH7qd2X6jRHmlRmRC0iVYDbkaguI2dhBt48L17CdAWO1hxkS13v3-rxS0 >
Date: Fri Sep 5, 2003 5:05pm
Subject: Re: Local Whiscomber

 

I'll plan to take it and let you know when and where you can visit, hold, and shoot the rifle.  It'll be cool meeting you.  We're staying at the YMCA of the Rockies just outside Estes Park.  I'll have the Harley there, too.  (maybe even my bicycle).  I'm planning on a rip-roaring good 5-day vacation.

Ken

At 07:54 AM 9/5/2003 -0600, you wrote:

Ken,
 
    Please let me know if you plan to bring the rifle, so that I can arrange to visit at your convenience and, of course, your wife's acquiescence.  It would be interesting to put a face with a name anyway.  And thanks for your offer.
 
                                David

----- Original Message -----

From: Ken

To: Whiscombe@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 4:42 PM

Subject: Re: [Whiscombe] Local Whiscomber

I'm going to Estes Park in a few weeks.  I COULD be talked into taking my Whiscombe with us if you'd like to come up to the Y-Camp (YMCA of the Rockies) to see it.  I don't think they allow weapons at the Y-Camp, but maybe we could find a place to let you shoot it.

(this would be with my wife's approval, it's our first vacation together in almost 20 years).

Ken

At 11:15 AM 9/4/2003 -0600, you wrote:

Ladies and Gents,

    I live in the Greater Denver megalopolis.  Is there anyone hereabouts in driving distance who has one of Mr. Whiscombe's beauties and would be willing to let me take a look at his pride and joy?  Maybe--say it softly--even let me shoot it?  As I connive and juggle to place an order, I would find it reassuring to see one in the flesh to confirm my decision.

    Thanks.

                            David Kahn

                                  

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From: David N. Kahn < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=3cyr-Blu8FIyxCpaRxACd0zXppOzTK5MxE3Y6aLF6N9PRkSYZUG_I_g-AcQoSAvvoUk6_jaovOV2jGne >
Date: Sat Sep 6, 2003 7:41pm
Subject: Re: Local Whiscomber

 

Ken,

 

    Sounds like a good time.  I'm keeping my eye on my e-mailbox.  You've picked a lovely time of the year to come to mountain Colorado, and a lovely place as well.  I'll bring my LGV, 300 and 150 . . . you probably have one of each or have seen and played with them all, but it'd still add something to the endeavor.

 

                                            Thanks,

 

                                            David

----- Original Message -----

From: Ken Ridout

To: Whiscombe@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 10:05 AM

Subject: Re: [Whiscombe] Local Whiscomber

 

I'll plan to take it and let you know when and where you can visit, hold, and shoot the rifle.  It'll be cool meeting you.  We're staying at the YMCA of the Rockies just outside Estes Park.  I'll have the Harley there, too.  (maybe even my bicycle).  I'm planning on a rip-roaring good 5-day vacation.

Ken

At 07:54 AM 9/5/2003 -0600, you wrote:

Ken,
 
    Please let me know if you plan to bring the rifle, so that I can arrange to visit at your convenience and, of course, your wife's acquiescence.  It would be interesting to put a face with a name anyway.  And thanks for your offer.
 
                                David

----- Original Message -----

From: Ken

To: Whiscombe@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 4:42 PM

Subject: Re: [Whiscombe] Local Whiscomber

I'm going to Estes Park in a few weeks.  I COULD be talked into taking my Whiscombe with us if you'd like to come up to the Y-Camp (YMCA of the Rockies) to see it.  I don't think they allow weapons at the Y-Camp, but maybe we could find a place to let you shoot it.

(this would be with my wife's approval, it's our first vacation together in almost 20 years).

Ken

At 11:15 AM 9/4/2003 -0600, you wrote:

Ladies and Gents,

    I live in the Greater Denver megalopolis.  Is there anyone hereabouts in driving distance who has one of Mr. Whiscombe's beauties and would be willing to let me take a look at his pride and joy?  Maybe--say it softly--even let me shoot it?  As I connive and juggle to place an order, I would find it reassuring to see one in the flesh to confirm my decision.

    Thanks.

                            David Kahn

                                  

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From: Ken < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=BBKHG-v4lpV3zesHvQn1mqLxZTaNToZzqwMAUc6rT0VsgbgZiHCIaOYxaOvQVDkKmZ8FlBdXh2GCmQ >
Date: Sat Sep 6, 2003 10:19pm
Subject: Re: Local Whiscomber

 

We should be there three weeks from tomorrow.  I'll keep you posted and also we should exchange cellphone numbers.  The NEXTEL map says I'll have service in Estes; but I don't know about mountain shadows.

Ken

At 12:41 PM 9/6/2003 -0600, you wrote:

Ken,
 
    Sounds like a good time.  I'm keeping my eye on my e-mailbox.  You've picked a lovely time of the year to come to mountain Colorado, and a lovely place as well.  I'll bring my LGV, 300 and 150 . . . you probably have one of each or have seen and played with them all, but it'd still add something to the endeavor.
 
                                            Thanks,
 
                                            David

----- Original Message -----

From: Ken Ridout

To: Whiscombe@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 10:05 AM

Subject: Re: [Whiscombe] Local Whiscomber

I'll plan to take it and let you know when and where you can visit, hold, and shoot the rifle.  It'll be cool meeting you.  We're staying at the YMCA of the Rockies just outside Estes Park.  I'll have the Harley there, too.  (maybe even my bicycle).  I'm planning on a rip-roaring good 5-day vacation.

Ken

At 07:54 AM 9/5/2003 -0600, you wrote:

Ken,

 

    Please let me know if you plan to bring the rifle, so that I can arrange to visit at your convenience and, of course, your wife's acquiescence.  It would be interesting to put a face with a name anyway.  And thanks for your offer.

 

                                David

----- Original Message -----

From: Ken

To: Whiscombe@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 4:42 PM

Subject: Re: [Whiscombe] Local Whiscomber

I'm going to Estes Park in a few weeks.  I COULD be talked into taking my Whiscombe with us if you'd like to come up to the Y-Camp (YMCA of the Rockies) to see it.  I don't think they allow weapons at the Y-Camp, but maybe we could find a place to let you shoot it.

(this would be with my wife's approval, it's our first vacation together in almost 20 years).

Ken

At 11:15 AM 9/4/2003 -0600, you wrote:

Ladies and Gents,

    I live in the Greater Denver megalopolis.  Is there anyone hereabouts in driving distance who has one of Mr. Whiscombe's beauties and would be willing to let me take a look at his pride and joy?  Maybe--say it softly--even let me shoot it?  As I connive and juggle to place an order, I would find it reassuring to see one in the flesh to confirm my decision.

    Thanks.

                            David Kahn

                                  

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From: David N. Kahn < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=qb6WRnuL-NvOc4UdHNfof-KEY2AYI-WZbgiJu8qhH5RSMmW7zWMAOYJNlA1eWSgJ-x8p5BTntX8RYKuCzQkf >
Date: Sat Sep 6, 2003 11:55pm
Subject: Re: Local Whiscomber

 

Ken,

 

    My landline telephone is 303-697-9495; my cell is 303-746-7469.  Three weeks from tomorrow should be 28 September, yes?

 

                                    David

----- Original Message -----

From: Ken

To: Whiscombe@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2003 3:19 PM

Subject: Re: [Whiscombe] Local Whiscomber

 

We should be there three weeks from tomorrow.  I'll keep you posted and also we should exchange cellphone numbers.  The NEXTEL map says I'll have service in Estes; but I don't know about mountain shadows.

Ken

At 12:41 PM 9/6/2003 -0600, you wrote:

Ken,
 
    Sounds like a good time.  I'm keeping my eye on my e-mailbox.  You've picked a lovely time of the year to come to mountain Colorado, and a lovely place as well.  I'll bring my LGV, 300 and 150 . . . you probably have one of each or have seen and played with them all, but it'd still add something to the endeavor.
 
                                            Thanks,
 
                                            David

----- Original Message -----

From: Ken Ridout

To: Whiscombe@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 10:05 AM

Subject: Re: [Whiscombe] Local Whiscomber

I'll plan to take it and let you know when and where you can visit, hold, and shoot the rifle.  It'll be cool meeting you.  We're staying at the YMCA of the Rockies just outside Estes Park.  I'll have the Harley there, too.  (maybe even my bicycle).  I'm planning on a rip-roaring good 5-day vacation.

Ken

At 07:54 AM 9/5/2003 -0600, you wrote:

Ken,

 

    Please let me know if you plan to bring the rifle, so that I can arrange to visit at your convenience and, of course, your wife's acquiescence.  It would be interesting to put a face with a name anyway.  And thanks for your offer.

 

                                David

----- Original Message -----

From: Ken

To: Whiscombe@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 4:42 PM

Subject: Re: [Whiscombe] Local Whiscomber

I'm going to Estes Park in a few weeks.  I COULD be talked into taking my Whiscombe with us if you'd like to come up to the Y-Camp (YMCA of the Rockies) to see it.  I don't think they allow weapons at the Y-Camp, but maybe we could find a place to let you shoot it.

(this would be with my wife's approval, it's our first vacation together in almost 20 years).

Ken

At 11:15 AM 9/4/2003 -0600, you wrote:

Ladies and Gents,

    I live in the Greater Denver megalopolis.  Is there anyone hereabouts in driving distance who has one of Mr. Whiscombe's beauties and would be willing to let me take a look at his pride and joy?  Maybe--say it softly--even let me shoot it?  As I connive and juggle to place an order, I would find it reassuring to see one in the flesh to confirm my decision.

    Thanks.

                            David Kahn

                                  

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From: Ken < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=-DkfFgyCxSGDiflTwT7kTNkNX725UQ2gTiEoiCAudVobM0zrlqvLr-SPlH69FQDdrC0fdkhiqrQ >
Date: Sun Sep 7, 2003 0:39am
Subject: Re: Local Whiscomber

 

I believe that's correct.

Ken

At 04:55 PM 9/6/2003 -0600, you wrote:

Ken,
 
    My landline telephone is 303-697-9495; my cell is 303-746-7469.  Three weeks from tomorrow should be 28 September, yes?
 
                                    David

----- Original Message -----

From: Ken

To: Whiscombe@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2003 3:19 PM

Subject: Re: [Whiscombe] Local Whiscomber

We should be there three weeks from tomorrow.  I'll keep you posted and also we should exchange cellphone numbers.  The NEXTEL map says I'll have service in Estes; but I don't know about mountain shadows.

Ken

At 12:41 PM 9/6/2003 -0600, you wrote:

Ken,

 

    Sounds like a good time.  I'm keeping my eye on my e-mailbox.  You've picked a lovely time of the year to come to mountain Colorado, and a lovely place as well.  I'll bring my LGV, 300 and 150 . . . you probably have one of each or have seen and played with them all, but it'd still add something to the endeavor.

 

                                            Thanks,

 

                                            David

----- Original Message -----

From: Ken Ridout

To: Whiscombe@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 10:05 AM

Subject: Re: [Whiscombe] Local Whiscomber

I'll plan to take it and let you know when and where you can visit, hold, and shoot the rifle.  It'll be cool meeting you.  We're staying at the YMCA of the Rockies just outside Estes Park.  I'll have the Harley there, too.  (maybe even my bicycle).  I'm planning on a rip-roaring good 5-day vacation.

Ken

At 07:54 AM 9/5/2003 -0600, you wrote:

Ken,

    Please let me know if you plan to bring the rifle, so that I can arrange to visit at your convenience and, of course, your wife's acquiescence.  It would be interesting to put a face with a name anyway.  And thanks for your offer.

                                David

----- Original Message -----

From: Ken

To: Whiscombe@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 4:42 PM

Subject: Re: [Whiscombe] Local Whiscomber

I'm going to Estes Park in a few weeks.  I COULD be talked into taking my Whiscombe with us if you'd like to come up to the Y-Camp (YMCA of the Rockies) to see it.  I don't think they allow weapons at the Y-Camp, but maybe we could find a place to let you shoot it.

(this would be with my wife's approval, it's our first vacation together in almost 20 years).

Ken

At 11:15 AM 9/4/2003 -0600, you wrote:

Ladies and Gents,

    I live in the Greater Denver megalopolis.  Is there anyone hereabouts in driving distance who has one of Mr. Whiscombe's beauties and would be willing to let me take a look at his pride and joy?  Maybe--say it softly--even let me shoot it?  As I connive and juggle to place an order, I would find it reassuring to see one in the flesh to confirm my decision.

    Thanks.

                            David Kahn

                                  

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From: David N. Kahn < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=LPsQus1SEto295e_5b4j0evokkhC2lB4dtv2HeTp7ms7K-2PxJM5agYK0GtqK6jb3bGdDIRYGdhItGOk9cOtqBQ >
Date: Tue Sep 9, 2003 6:05pm
Subject: Query

 

    I've been reading through the archives, but I've been busy so my attention has been a compromised.  If this question is answered there, just tell me.

 

    I have seen a number of articles on Mr. Whiscombe and his rifles.  None I'm aware of has really offered a good chronological discussion of design evolution (dates, model numbers, specifications, et cetera), especially with pictures, nor is there a listing that I've found of variations and such.  I'm not interested as a collector would be, just want to understand what's been done, how it has evolved and why.  And the data would prove useful if I were to consider purchase of a used rifle.  Any suggestions, referrals?

 

                                        Thanks in advance,

 

                                        David Kahn

140

From: happyhtr3 < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=96HSElozW9ZSC0E0RVb-uZc9SMxCppphIgj34gG-3b7HOWtF2YPY3m07YCtm1NEpNiXET7l6TDqn >
Date: Sun Sep 21, 2003 6:24pm
Subject: Leo, All, anyone?

 

This place has been dead lately. How you coming with the whizzer?
Have you been doing any shooting? I have been shooting the 80 in .25
a lot lately in prep. for S. season. In .25 I am gettin about 825
with RWS domes. I have been practicing off of rests cause My hunting
accuracy has suffered some since I started FT. I need to rest now on
shots I used to hardly ever miss. You should save up for a .25 barrel
for your 70, if you hunt alot. It drops 'um dead! (My girlfriend is
readin over my shoulder and tryin to correct my writing). Go
figure!.Leo have any of the other pellets you have tried worked as
well as the JSB's.

141

From: Ken < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=pCUw2k6z27spzmecCgbw02ehS73RXUZ-P-i1B_y-STX5uVUzD-4VH30Gjaf177uh3tlaGK5gWMQ1ijn- >
Date: Sun Sep 21, 2003 7:13pm
Subject: Re: Leo, All, anyone?

 

It HAS been kind of dead, hasn't it.  Even with John Ulrich receiving his new Whizzer.  I'm surprised he hasn't reported to us about it.

Ken

At 05:24 PM 9/21/2003 +0000, you wrote:

 This place has been dead lately. How you coming with the whizzer?
Have you been doing any shooting? I have been shooting the 80 in .25
a lot lately in prep. for S. season. In .25 I am gettin about 825
with RWS domes. I have been practicing off of rests cause My hunting
accuracy has suffered some since I started FT. I need to rest now on
shots I used to hardly ever miss. You should save up for a .25 barrel
for your 70, if you hunt alot. It drops 'um dead! (My girlfriend is
readin over my shoulder and tryin to correct my writing).  Go
figure!.Leo have any of the other pellets you have tried worked as
well as the JSB's.

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From: Leo Duran < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=CjHqCdIat2NudVqTNAs0U4JLyXSWz1rqgeA2JuOQkdGd1KJIwY_JNL8Gk_JORaoYD2UoULicUB0y >
Date: Sun Sep 21, 2003 10:23pm
Subject: Re: Leo, All, anyone?

 

I wonder how John's groups are doing?

From his pictures on the "Yellow" page, it looks like
he uses "hard" front&rear bags for bench-resting.
And, as I understand it, the Whizzer does not like
that setup. Also, he talked abot chroning CPLs, not
JSBs, and I'm sure JW adjusted the HOTS for JSBs in
.177... So, again, I suspect he must not be grouping
too well with: (1) his bench-rest setup, and (2)using
CPLs.

Tell us about it John...
Leo.

--- Ken < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=dgk424CbX2FuZeqWw-RmvNXF0dWqmSaDWNmi9yQjxZ6sNqbikxfEpdfPuCUTSBWPAPzdVfjqwSdD > wrote:
> It HAS been kind of dead, hasn't it. Even with John
> Ulrich receiving his
> new Whizzer. I'm surprised he hasn't reported to us
> about it.
>
> Ken
>

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143

From: Leo Duran < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=xs_xChb13phRzr1_IedEowhOw2jGf3044zuRsDEffVTcfB9Boo3u29mJtASQ-yWMwdpGhwBOvuIeA0o9 >
Date: Sun Sep 21, 2003 10:44pm
Subject: Re: Leo, All, anyone?

 

Rod,

I just got back to shooting a little over a week ago.

I normally shoot on a green-belt area behind my back
fence, and about a month ago (just after I got the
Whizzer), I had a small altercation with my
neighbor... on a count of me, accidentally, lodging a
.22 pellet on his dog's cheek, go figure!
I went to his house to telling what I've done, and
offered to take care of the vet bill, but he got
pretty ugly with me, and called the police. Anyway,
the police gave us both warnings: (1)me for shooting
my airgun in city property, and (2)him for having his
dog running around without supervision - he let's it
loose behind his fence. The policeman was actually
nice with me, telling me story of his airgun days,
shooting behind his house too!

I obviously did not mean to shoot the dog, she's a
real sweet-tempered "lab"... I love dogs, but she was
apparently curious about those things (pellets)hitting
the grass about 75 yards from me - she must've gotten
in the line of fire while I was blinded with the
target.

It turns out my neighbor moved to Dallas, as his
contract in Austion was terminated... lucky me.
Then, just last Tue, the cocking lever locked-up on
me. I e-mailed LD, and also talked with Ruz on the
phone... both of them told me to check the gear-rails
to see if if ther was jam: theeth mis-aligned. I
screded-up, I out the gun down without completing the
first stroke, and as I put the gun down, the levr
moved and cuased a jam. Well, as advised by both LD
and Ruz, amd banged on the lever and it came loose!
what a relief!

Also, just this Sat, I got a sleeve of JSBs, so I'm a
real happy camper now... except for the rain, which
hasn't stop all week-end long. But, I hope "pretty
soon" now, I'll get some shooting done.

Well, you wanted a "good,long, story", how's that?
Hey, why didn't you make the Nationals? They way
you've been shooting, I thought this would be your
year.

Leo.

--- happyhtr3 < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=AoJc0k1c0Fb1Jl8HOetCbrP2Co9zv9fufqEH0DVP_s51RQeVOmEtKpWoMQlLqUM-F_ZayzxmjF7AJLK7tA > wrote:
> This place has been dead lately. How you coming
> with the whizzer?
> Have you been doing any shooting? I have been
> shooting the 80 in .25
> a lot lately in prep. for S. season. In .25 I am
> gettin about 825
> with RWS domes. I have been practicing off of rests
> cause My hunting
> accuracy has suffered some since I started FT. I
> need to rest now on
> shots I used to hardly ever miss. You should save up
> for a .25 barrel
> for your 70, if you hunt alot. It drops 'um dead!
> (My girlfriend is
> readin over my shoulder and tryin to correct my
> writing). Go
> figure!.Leo have any of the other pellets you have
> tried worked as
> well as the JSB's.
>
>

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From: JONATHAN ULRICH < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=hFyAsssuc55vFMnGGbmtrJW8C0ovx_qHZB6IBLbv2a81R83SfxsixHbK0ekVHjA-CmiluflxQikpdjJK >
Date: Sun Sep 21, 2003 11:18pm
Subject: Re: Leo, All, anyone?

 

John W set mine (JW70 MK2 SN:014) for CPL's. I shot it straight out of the box after installing a Leup 6.5X20 and BLK rings refininished by Spradlins of Colorado. It shot accurate enough but chronod around 720 FPS with CPLs (lubed with slick 50) and 705 with JSB's. Then I remembered the restrictor. Took it off and chronod around 1000 FPS...ten-shot groups around 1/2 to 3/4 "  at 50 yards.

 

I did notice that some of the CPL pellets required considerable push to sit in. I decided to resize a bunch of em and use a pell seat.  The groups tightened up considerably...resulting in several one hole 5-shot groups.  Been raining here most of the day so I didn't set up the chronograph.

 

A lot of folks don't like bench resting airguns because of 'hold dificulties'...my personal opinion is that it is mostly BS...the name of the game in bench resting is consistency...meaning setting of your gun, rests, ammo and everything else exactly the same every single time...the only thing you gotta figure out is doping the wind, atmospheric pressure, and hopefully the gods are in your favor... LOL

 

 

John U.

----- Original Message -----

From: Leo Duran

To: Whiscombe@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2003 4:23 PM

Subject: Re: [Whiscombe] Leo, All, anyone?

 

I wonder how John's groups are doing?

From his pictures on the "Yellow" page, it looks like
he uses "hard" front&rear bags for bench-resting.
And, as I understand it, the Whizzer does not like
that setup.  Also, he talked abot chroning CPLs, not
JSBs, and I'm sure JW adjusted the HOTS for JSBs in
.177... So, again, I suspect he must not be grouping
too well with: (1) his bench-rest setup, and (2)using
CPLs.

Tell us about it John...
Leo.

--- Ken wrote:
> It HAS been kind of dead, hasn't it.  Even with John
> Ulrich receiving his
> new Whizzer.  I'm surprised he hasn't reported to us
> about it.
>
> Ken
>

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From: Leo Duran < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=jdbxkqMjB9pTpn1AQZRnnMhuZgnMXgoNWSMcssK03cxIgdcMUhCB5_bvGFmMUUfnPHdBxMxpqN4Q >
Date: Mon Sep 22, 2003 2:19am
Subject: Re: Leo, All, anyone?

 

John,

1/2" to 3/4" groups, and 10-shot at that, that's very
impressive at 50 yards.

Sounds like your bench-resting techniques are just
fine... can you bring your setup along to "AirGun
Fun", I sure'd like to see how you do your magic.

I like your logic about eliminating "hold" variables,
at least to get some idea about how the gun is
"really" doing... I would think that's critical for
adjusting the HOTS.

Just got back from watching "Open Range", have you'll
seen it? I thought it was good, but then I'm a sucker
for them cowboys movies.

Leo.

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From: Ken < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=BJNbxxx8t50QF2aSlnUwsEYBvI2hWjN-OIMseKEu_VCyKkfAcezWAoSrvps_QciU2BY4NwNK38jPqWk >
Date: Mon Sep 22, 2003 2:25am
Subject: Re: Leo, All, anyone?

 

Larry D. says that all weight of the rifle should be supported by the wood stock and the cocking lever should not be touching any support.  (at least I think he said that).  I wonder if you did anything special, John, to avoid any of the rifle's weight resting on the cocking lever.  I've found it very hard to shoot off-hand without my knuckles touching the lever.

Ken

At 06:19 PM 9/21/2003 -0700, you wrote:

John,

1/2" to 3/4" groups, and 10-shot at that, that's very
impressive at 50 yards.

Sounds like your bench-resting techniques are just
fine... can you bring your setup along to "AirGun
Fun", I sure'd like to see how you do your magic.

I like your logic about eliminating "hold" variables,
at least to get some idea about how the gun is
"really" doing... I would think that's critical for
adjusting the HOTS.

Just got back from watching "Open Range", have you'll
seen it?  I thought it was good, but then I'm a sucker
for them cowboys movies.

Leo.

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From: Leo Duran < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=EdX2qsdW6K4HNKlSJooPI7UG07bKt40zm6BYy1JjBLlnbEeEw4LBdvn9eMrg2Xp-QzDT4EX_44-Tmg >
Date: Mon Sep 22, 2003 3:04am
Subject: Re: Leo, All, anyone?

 

Sorry fellows... I just tried to read my own e-mail
below, oops, unreadable!

I was in a hurry to get to the movies, but wanted to
kick out that e-mail. Hope you got the "jist' of it.

Leo.

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> Rod,
>
> I just got back to shooting a little over a week
> ago.
>
> I normally shoot on a green-belt area behind my back
> fence, and about a month ago (just after I got the
> Whizzer), I had a small altercation with my
> neighbor... on a count of me, accidentally, lodging
> a
> .22 pellet on his dog's cheek, go figure!
> I went to his house to telling what I've done, and
> offered to take care of the vet bill, but he got
> pretty ugly with me, and called the police. Anyway,
> the police gave us both warnings: (1)me for shooting
> my airgun in city property, and (2)him for having
> his
> dog running around without supervision - he let's it
> loose behind his fence. The policeman was actually
> nice with me, telling me story of his airgun days,
> shooting behind his house too!
>
> I obviously did not mean to shoot the dog, she's a
> real sweet-tempered "lab"... I love dogs, but she
> was
> apparently curious about those things
> (pellets)hitting
> the grass about 75 yards from me - she must've
> gotten
> in the line of fire while I was blinded with the
> target.
>
> It turns out my neighbor moved to Dallas, as his
> contract in Austion was terminated... lucky me.
> Then, just last Tue, the cocking lever locked-up on
> me. I e-mailed LD, and also talked with Ruz on the
> phone... both of them told me to check the
> gear-rails
> to see if if ther was jam: theeth mis-aligned. I
> screded-up, I out the gun down without completing
> the
> first stroke, and as I put the gun down, the levr
> moved and cuased a jam. Well, as advised by both LD
> and Ruz, amd banged on the lever and it came loose!
> what a relief!
>
> Also, just this Sat, I got a sleeve of JSBs, so I'm
> a
> real happy camper now... except for the rain, which
> hasn't stop all week-end long. But, I hope "pretty
> soon" now, I'll get some shooting done.
>
> Well, you wanted a "good,long, story", how's that?
> Hey, why didn't you make the Nationals? They way
> you've been shooting, I thought this would be your
> year.
>
> Leo.
>
>
>
>
>
> --- happyhtr3 < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=Lju3Gk8x2ZOMjfRcM-NOsQS_0mUEPEYZO_K8aj8JgEcgMttFpU5In1wp6qnvYftzewH0YOQBBJbo > wrote:
> > This place has been dead lately. How you coming
> > with the whizzer?
> > Have you been doing any shooting? I have been
> > shooting the 80 in .25
> > a lot lately in prep. for S. season. In .25 I am
> > gettin about 825
> > with RWS domes. I have been practicing off of
> rests
> > cause My hunting
> > accuracy has suffered some since I started FT. I
> > need to rest now on
> > shots I used to hardly ever miss. You should save
> up
> > for a .25 barrel
> > for your 70, if you hunt alot. It drops 'um dead!
> > (My girlfriend is
> > readin over my shoulder and tryin to correct my
> > writing). Go
> > figure!.Leo have any of the other pellets you have
> > tried worked as
> > well as the JSB's.
> >
> >
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From: Ken < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=cHIOtrFsksVaJbAEBRyzGVXcGkKREoBTXnot03ElCSOxo8z8qF1pl7Bhc4tO2BSwIgmPwAkh6mg >
Date: Mon Sep 22, 2003 3:27am
Subject: Re: Leo, All, anyone?

 

I wonder just how much of the rifles John actually fabricates himself.  I suspect he outsources the parts and then assembles them.  Does anyone know the answer?

Ken

At 05:18 PM 9/21/2003 -0500, you wrote:

John W set mine (JW70 MK2 SN:014) for CPL's. I shot it straight out of the box after installing a Leup 6.5X20 and BLK rings refininished by Spradlins of Colorado. It shot accurate enough but chronod around 720 FPS with CPLs (lubed with slick 50) and 705 with JSB's. Then I remembered the restrictor. Took it off and chronod around 1000 FPS...ten-shot groups around 1/2 to 3/4 "  at 50 yards.
 
I did notice that some of the CPL pellets required considerable push to sit in. I decided to resize a bunch of em and use a pell seat.  The groups tightened up considerably...resulting in several one hole 5-shot groups.  Been raining here most of the day so I didn't set up the chronograph.
 
A lot of folks don't like bench resting airguns because of 'hold dificulties'...my personal opinion is that it is mostly BS...the name of the game in bench resting is consistency...meaning setting of your gun, rests, ammo and everything else exactly the same every single time...the only thing you gotta figure out is doping the wind, atmospheric pressure, and hopefully the gods are in your favor... LOL
 
 
John U.

----- Original Message -----

From: Leo Duran

To: Whiscombe@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2003 4:23 PM

Subject: Re: [Whiscombe] Leo, All, anyone?

I wonder how John's groups are doing?

From his pictures on the "Yellow" page, it looks like

he uses "hard" front&rear bags for bench-resting.

And, as I understand it, the Whizzer does not like

that setup.  Also, he talked abot chroning CPLs, not

JSBs, and I'm sure JW adjusted the HOTS for JSBs in

.177... So, again, I suspect he must not be grouping

too well with: (1) his bench-rest setup, and (2)using

CPLs.

Tell us about it John...

Leo.

 

--- Ken wrote:

> It HAS been kind of dead, hasn't it.  Even with John

> Ulrich receiving his

> new Whizzer.  I'm surprised he hasn't reported to us

> about it.

> Ken

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From: happyhtr3 < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=8dxKmdGe8KyWA7ZeBEs2sqq2-oxBM8u65rvs2Px0EFj6jWDL3GTdt9hYObQKQa2q5-0GH-zjtvD2fDE >
Date: Mon Sep 22, 2003 4:11am
Subject: Leo sorry about your mis-hap !!!

 

I hope the Dog is ok around guns now. The neighbor was probably
miserable and unhappy anyway. Good thing he moved huh? Be extra
careful with a HV .22 CP. Those things carry their energy way out
there. I have been really lucky so far, but I will be extra careful
from now on. Thanks for sharing that story. You have opened a few
eyes with that bit of bad luck. You can fix most problems with
whizzers on your own. If you ever want my number E-me at home. My E
is  http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=_DvlBi3skzSvp_wrxo1ioTRZMkKMpmz1gKzXC-Ej48mT2hGiss3Tplsrbicq9Mp5xjpjjOywCV8t . I had a hard time making it this year to the
NATS, I just couldn't get it together. Every thing went wrong , so I
guess It wasn't for me to go. Roz won again for the third year(so I
heard on the FT forum). That is a first in FT for pre-charged or
springers. Man I wish I could have been there REAL BAD. Brad Troyer
ordered a whizzer and he will be tough to beat too after he gets it!
Man the comp is really tough now (I've seen you shoot too). I have
been shootin OK lately though, and hope to improve more.If you notice
the spring scores and pre-charge scores are getting closer and
closer. I do not think I will ever shoot pre-charge, no need for me
to. Good luck on your shooting and thanks again for the story---Rod

151

From: JONATHAN ULRICH < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=_IeYPnp1dUJ1r_CpSPcIq95-iOVvkrvpqWSwmCbPpbNQyUOv0sMmO_192I8EPiMcLroIj7J1jDhGEqUq >
Date: Mon Sep 22, 2003 4:15am
Subject: Re: Leo, All, anyone?

 

Ken,

 

The only thing different from the pics I posted on the yellow forum is that the forearm was resting on a folded up shop towel on top of the front rest...

 

John U

----- Original Message -----

From: Ken

To: Whiscombe@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2003 8:25 PM

Subject: Re: [Whiscombe] Leo, All, anyone?

 

Larry D. says that all weight of the rifle should be supported by the wood stock and the cocking lever should not be touching any support.  (at least I think he said that).  I wonder if you did anything special, John, to avoid any of the rifle's weight resting on the cocking lever.  I've found it very hard to shoot off-hand without my knuckles touching the lever.

Ken

At 06:19 PM 9/21/2003 -0700, you wrote:

John,

1/2" to 3/4" groups, and 10-shot at that, that's very
impressive at 50 yards.

Sounds like your bench-resting techniques are just
fine... can you bring your setup along to "AirGun
Fun", I sure'd like to see how you do your magic.

I like your logic about eliminating "hold" variables,
at least to get some idea about how the gun is
"really" doing... I would think that's critical for
adjusting the HOTS.

Just got back from watching "Open Range", have you'll
seen it?  I thought it was good, but then I'm a sucker
for them cowboys movies.

Leo.

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From: happyhtr3 < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=Ctjckwqsn4w6RHuKlCJe5290v6Vzh1vK-Mu6iFqmDWFj7Q8VGk6OysR5MLmsGjgSHRT2WPc5UQdm9vhE >
Date: Mon Sep 22, 2003 4:20am
Subject: Sgt John

 

 

Heh there I am one of those non-benchers. I have no idea what my FT
guns can do off a bench (my hunting 80 does well with .25 RWS).I can
get those groups most of the time off my knee. I sure would like to
think I could shoot groups like that off a bench. I am no bench
shooter ,but maybe one day I can get serious about the bench. It
sounds like you have a real winner with that rifle. I saw pics on
another forum I believe. Is yours silver top too? How You like it
offhand?

 

153

From: happyhtr3 < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=k0HNwMh7YSW96XwWgtPavvjgH29EBSJBZ_1iEok49BCjdYEoZ4lj8H7rWYG48ssS7EUDNty_R4nun1PeoQ >
Date: Mon Sep 22, 2003 4:26am
Subject: Re: Leo, All, anyone?

 

 

> Sgt John What die number of CPL's were you shooting during your
testing? Were they Die # 6?

> John W set mine (JW70 MK2 SN:014) for CPL's. I shot it straight out
of the box after installing a Leup 6.5X20 and BLK rings refininished
by Spradlins of Colorado. It shot accurate enough but chronod around
720 FPS with CPLs (lubed with slick 50) and 705 with JSB's. Then I
remembered the restrictor. Took it off and chronod around 1000
FPS...ten-shot groups around 1/2 to 3/4 " at 50 yards.
>
> I did notice that some of the CPL pellets required considerable
push to sit in. I decided to resize a bunch of em and use a pell
seat. The groups tightened up considerably...resulting in several
one hole 5-shot groups. Been raining here most of the day so I
didn't set up the chronograph.
>
> A lot of folks don't like bench resting airguns because of 'hold
dificulties'...my personal opinion is that it is mostly BS...the name
of the game in bench resting is consistency...meaning setting of your
gun, rests, ammo and everything else exactly the same every single
time...the only thing you gotta figure out is doping the wind,
atmospheric pressure, and hopefully the gods are in your favor... LOL
>
>
> John U.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Leo Duran
> To:  http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=KR17eGnl_bouRtK_XdRvCzNEBPtkukHUFhIDIenOJyLp1zsCWkkarkJkz6W3zO-M0DP-piyfRlr2GukiPg9v
> Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2003 4:23 PM
> Subject: Re: [Whiscombe] Leo, All, anyone?
>
>
> I wonder how John's groups are doing?
>
> From his pictures on the "Yellow" page, it looks like
> he uses "hard" front&rear bags for bench-resting.
> And, as I understand it, the Whizzer does not like
> that setup. Also, he talked abot chroning CPLs, not
> JSBs, and I'm sure JW adjusted the HOTS for JSBs in
> .177... So, again, I suspect he must not be grouping
> too well with: (1) his bench-rest setup, and (2)using
> CPLs.
>
> Tell us about it John...
> Leo.
>
>
>
> --- Ken <ken@c...> wrote:
> > It HAS been kind of dead, hasn't it. Even with John
> > Ulrich receiving his
> > new Whizzer. I'm surprised he hasn't reported to us
> > about it.
> >
> > Ken
> >
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From: JONATHAN ULRICH < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=iopDVedGvZJPqalO9ZIUy7qz7EX4V65LDCozwkf_fvV6IlPgtbrafc3ilsJK-Tgs3lmoDFVOY3w >
Date: Mon Sep 22, 2003 4:31am
Subject: Re: Leo, All, anyone?

 

 

Leo,

 

OK I'll bring my stuff to Airgun fun and have you shooting them tight groups in no time...

 

John U

----- Original Message -----

From: Leo Duran

To: Whiscombe@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2003 8:19 PM

Subject: Re: [Whiscombe] Leo, All, anyone?

 

John,

1/2" to 3/4" groups, and 10-shot at that, that's very
impressive at 50 yards.

Sounds like your bench-resting techniques are just
fine... can you bring your setup along to "AirGun
Fun", I sure'd like to see how you do your magic.

I like your logic about eliminating "hold" variables,
at least to get some idea about how the gun is
"really" doing... I would think that's critical for
adjusting the HOTS.

Just got back from watching "Open Range", have you'll
seen it?  I thought it was good, but then I'm a sucker
for them cowboys movies.

Leo.

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From: Lawrence H Durham < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=Zx7_oIbGhJ6djw2MjpfdDUBZdZ_t1OdloQyttyFrYuBgTopeTeRErTml95yXp8L2DVP0NguGjhg >
Date: Mon Sep 22, 2003 5:29am
Subject: Re: Leo sorry about your mis-hap !!!

 

 

I'm pretty sure Tom Price took springun honors three times in a row at
the Nats,
but this was before they were giving much credit to springers.

ld

On Mon, 22 Sep 2003 03:11:42 -0000 "happyhtr3" < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=-l0MPfKDrF47eTOMXAURIqqY6Koo1DoDU8-KQutrc7QdSQfNzxVV9T9tQlwXJXxWTGOukBGXlr-6 >
writes:
> I hope the Dog is ok around guns now. The neighbor was probably
> miserable and unhappy anyway. Good thing he moved huh? Be extra
> careful with a HV .22 CP. Those things carry their energy way out
> there. I have been really lucky so far, but I will be extra careful
>
> from now on. Thanks for sharing that story. You have opened a few
> eyes with that bit of bad luck. You can fix most problems with
> whizzers on your own. If you ever want my number E-me at home. My E
>
> is  http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=-l0MPfKDrF47eTOMXAURIqqY6Koo1DoDU8-KQutrc7QdSQfNzxVV9T9tQlwXJXxWTGOukBGXlr-6 . I had a hard time making it this year to the
>
> NATS, I just couldn't get it together. Every thing went wrong , so I
>
> guess It wasn't for me to go. Roz won again for the third year(so I
>
> heard on the FT forum). That is a first in FT for pre-charged or
> springers. Man I wish I could have been there REAL BAD. Brad Troyer
>
> ordered a whizzer and he will be tough to beat too after he gets it!
>
> Man the comp is really tough now (I've seen you shoot too). I have
> been shootin OK lately though, and hope to improve more.If you
> notice
> the spring scores and pre-charge scores are getting closer and
> closer. I do not think I will ever shoot pre-charge, no need for me
>
> to. Good luck on your shooting and thanks again for the story---Rod
>
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From: JONATHAN ULRICH < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=1-zma-s6ETBUwvSBeK0dp8mCtxIAFgDxez2cJVRWaAbTmrQB_hsyL5VhrQd0uKZ0_F-vSbfARfpB >
Date: Mon Sep 22, 2003 4:54am
Subject: Re: Sgt John

 

 

Happy,

 

I can't shoot worth beans off hand and as heavy as the JW70 I won't even try...

 

John U

----- Original Message -----

From: happyhtr3

To: Whiscombe@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2003 10:20 PM

Subject: [Whiscombe] Sgt John

 

Heh there I am one of those non-benchers. I have no idea what my FT
guns can do off a bench (my hunting 80 does well with .25 RWS).I can
get those groups most of the time off my knee. I sure would like to
think I could shoot groups like that off a bench. I am no bench
shooter ,but maybe one day I can get serious about the bench. It
sounds like you have a real winner with that rifle. I saw pics on
another forum I believe. Is yours silver top too? How You like it
offhand?

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From: JONATHAN ULRICH < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=yJNa40z3-FqyHv9xvTFnVN5ViKxTb50wyByiZKHM3NhrHZCocmwWFUkE9BqAn7WSyZDIDifTCVJupuI >
Date: Mon Sep 22, 2003 4:56am
Subject: Re: Re: Leo, All, anyone?

 

 

All die # 5...

----- Original Message -----

From: happyhtr3

To: Whiscombe@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2003 10:26 PM

Subject: [Whiscombe] Re: Leo, All, anyone?

 

> Sgt John    What die number of CPL's were you shooting during your
testing? Were they Die # 6?
                                                                     
                                                                     
> John W set mine (JW70 MK2 SN:014) for CPL's. I shot it straight out
of the box after installing a Leup 6.5X20 and BLK rings refininished
by Spradlins of Colorado. It shot accurate enough but chronod around
720 FPS with CPLs (lubed with slick 50) and 705 with JSB's. Then I
remembered the restrictor. Took it off and chronod around 1000
FPS...ten-shot groups around 1/2 to 3/4 "  at 50 yards.
>
> I did notice that some of the CPL pellets required considerable
push to sit in. I decided to resize a bunch of em and use a pell
seat.  The groups tightened up considerably...resulting in several
one hole 5-shot groups.  Been raining here most of the day so I
didn't set up the chronograph.
>
> A lot of folks don't like bench resting airguns because of 'hold
dificulties'...my personal opinion is that it is mostly BS...the name
of the game in bench resting is consistency...meaning setting of your
gun, rests, ammo and everything else exactly the same every single
time...the only thing you gotta figure out is doping the wind,
atmospheric pressure, and hopefully the gods are in your favor... LOL
>
>
> John U.
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Leo Duran
>   To: Whiscombe@yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2003 4:23 PM
>   Subject: Re: [Whiscombe] Leo, All, anyone?
>
>
>   I wonder how John's groups are doing?
>
>   From his pictures on the "Yellow" page, it looks like
>   he uses "hard" front&rear bags for bench-resting.
>   And, as I understand it, the Whizzer does not like
>   that setup.  Also, he talked abot chroning CPLs, not
>   JSBs, and I'm sure JW adjusted the HOTS for JSBs in
>   .177... So, again, I suspect he must not be grouping
>   too well with: (1) his bench-rest setup, and (2)using
>   CPLs.
>
>   Tell us about it John...
>   Leo.
>
>
>
>   --- Ken wrote:
>   > It HAS been kind of dead, hasn't it.  Even with John
>   > Ulrich receiving his
>   > new Whizzer.  I'm surprised he hasn't reported to us
>   > about it.
>   >
>   > Ken
>   >
>
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From: David N. Kahn < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=oFRoOjjXviYk07xxS2FpfoS6hF_XQqs31uXln3JIV5mnRal9eaJjNbuQKVAGpT5koatf12LQe1J6etjz >
Date: Mon Sep 22, 2003 6:29am
Subject: Quietude

 

 

    Quiet?  Okay, here're some thoughts to talk about.

 

        1.  I've been rereading John Whiscombe's 1996 interview with Pete Reiff in U. S. Airgun (copy kindly provided by Gabe Gonzales).  In in, Mr. Whiscombe talks about rifling twists for various airgun projectiles in various calibers.  He also says that he thinks that usual firearms rifling styles are inappropriate to airgun pellets . . . not really a big surprise.  With the relative ease of barrel swapping in the Whiscombe design, has anyone on the list done any custom barrel experimentation, to examine other rifling patterns, other twists, et cetera?

 

        2.  The various JW-FB rifles are recoil compensated (of course . . . duh) and should, therefore, respond similarly to loose or firm holds as do such rifles as Giss system Dianas and FWB 150/300s, which is to say tolerant of firm grips and shoulder contacts.  How does the Whiscombe respond to a tight sling?

 

        3.  Given their power and accuracy potential, one should think that JWs would be ideal for long range shooting, as John Ulrich's recent reports of his new rifle's performance should suggest.  But Ray Appelles has been reported to hit 75 to 80 yard field targets with his FT tuned FWB 300 at factory spec velocities.  What is long range with the JW rifles?  Has anyone tried really long stuff . . . 100, 150, even 200 yards?   With what results?  What is the set-up: rifle specs, pellets, chronographic data?

 

    4.  How well does the JW hold POA/POI with barrel swapping?    

            

                                        David     

 

159

From: Leo Duran < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=2vzK07lR47-ewy-OOW_3ZS_sSRxNAd3q8J5Dv6TQhiqqw3EtCMHayUHQUGwlSQrGnpeZlFzEjMIOovRsVqw >
Date: Mon Sep 22, 2003 3:06pm
Subject: Re: Leo sorry about your mis-hap !!!

 

 

Be afraid, be very afraid...
Brad Troyer coming to the Whizeer scene, that's scary.
I witness his composure at the Cajun's this year,
he's very consistent on his technique, and a real
tough competitor.

But that's actually good news, as it will push us all
to get our act together even more.

Like you Rod, I think I'll stick with non-PCP for the
forseeable future. I don't mean that as a put-down,
because one can easily make the argument that a PCP
gun is more of non-intrusive instrument, which
minimizes gun-induced errors. But, I prefer the
self-contained nature of a piston gun... God knows I
don't really need the extra challenge, as I've got
plenty a thing to work on.

Glad to see this many posts flying around... let's
keep it going!

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From: Ken Ridout < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=ddVbk6fLhM2Fe9JPX3H91XrVLxXqGkN7DhDyB5Hr4ZZUUdB5VyIzzENKr0gQ8QDCp83pGWFxDu07oKM >
Date: Mon Sep 22, 2003 4:41pm
Subject: Re: Quietude

 

 

At 11:29 PM 9/21/2003 -0600, you wrote:

    Quiet?  Okay, here're some thoughts to talk about.
 
       1.  I've been rereading John Whiscombe's 1996 interview with Pete Reiff in U. S. Airgun (copy kindly provided by Gabe Gonzales).  In in, Mr. Whiscombe talks about rifling twists for various airgun projectiles in various calibers.  He also says that he thinks that usual firearms rifling styles are inappropriate to airgun pellets . . . not really a big surprise.  With the relative ease of barrel swapping in the Whiscombe design, has anyone on the list done any custom barrel experimentation, to examine other rifling patterns, other twists, et cetera?

I understand that there is some research going on now about airgun rifling twist.  A guy in Calif. has decided that progressive twist would be the way to go; and plans to market barrels.  This news was as of the SHOT show in Orlando.  It made sense until I learned that people have already been down this path to no avail.  I question my Steyr barrel, because of the way it spirals pellets down range unless they're traveling over 870 FPS. 

       2.  The various JW-FB rifles are recoil compensated (of course . . . duh) and should, therefore, respond similarly to loose or firm holds as do such rifles as Giss system Dianas and FWB 150/300s, which is to say tolerant of firm grips and shoulder contacts.  How does the Whiscombe respond to a tight sling?

I'll bet LD knows the answer to this one.  I've found that my FWB300S requires lightly firm shoulder pressure to be consistently accurate.   If I hold  too loose, it sprays pellets.

 

       3.  Given their power and accuracy potential, one should think that JWs would be ideal for long range shooting, as John Ulrich's recent reports of his new rifle's performance should suggest.  But Ray Appelles has been reported to hit 75 to 80 yard field targets with his FT tuned FWB 300 at factory spec velocities.  What is long range with the JW rifles?  Has anyone tried really long stuff . . . 100, 150, even 200 yards?   With what results?  What is the set-up: rifle specs, pellets, chronographic data?
 
    4.  How well does the JW hold POA/POI with barrel swapping?  

I bought a .20 barrel with my .177 WHiscombe.  I shouldn't have wasted the money.  I'll probably never use it.  If anyone wants to buy a .20 barrel for their Whiscombe, mine is available.

Ken

 

           
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From: David N. Kahn < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=_eBe-l8Vf_lnHBkOsM9AaOLO9L9x5_LRk8u7ZZfyWN9WoR0l_EruuDDXH-MpsLvp6ai0cU2tIbyeTEd1riiuRw >
Date: Mon Sep 22, 2003 7:24pm
Subject: Re: Quietude

 

 

And the questions flow.

 

        1.  Anent barrels:  Has anyone had experience with any barrelmaker's product besides John Whiscombe's.  In Pete Reiff's interview, JW talked about several aspects of barreling in his guns.  He noted the need for very smooth interfacing of pellets to barrel (hence his use of polygonal rifling) and implied in his speculations about very slow twist rates that the Greenhill formula may be inadequate to predict twist specifications for tiny projectiles at sub- through transsonic airgun velocities (as I alluded in my original questions).  He also noted that the power delivery curve's characteristics in his guns seems to blur into that of PCPs, apparently owing to the unusually large volume of air they sweep up to their transfer ports, noting that they benefit from the 15-inch barrel where less springers would be inefficient with one that long.  Has anybody done work (presumably JW has, though I can't find its documentation) with varying the barrel length, say to longer than JW-factory standard?

 

        2.  Anent firm holds:  I ask because a spring-air rifle with the potential of the higher powered JWs virtually insists on its shottist's making demands of it.  In the field, one's being able to use a shooting sling, whether classical or Ching, would add to its versatility in its own right . . . and make it an even better understudy for the pyrotechnical rifle, though I doubt that many owners procured their guns with that thought in mind.  For me, it's only that I've grown up and become habituated to the pleasures and advantages of the sling as a useful shooting aid for careful work.

 

        3.   Anent long range:  I ask because it seems to me that, with the general fascination of the long shot, Whiscombe rifles seem to step readily into the realm of the appropriate.  Jock Elliott has stimulated a renascent interest in Capstick's minisniping game, never mind the arresting nature of the sniping act and genre.  Equipped with a JW, one could use other targets (e.g., little green Army men) and really stretch the range well past the "official" 35 yards. 

 

    Jock has also written several articles about the Quigley bucket shot, scaled to airgunnery.  While he did his work with a funkily sighted Career (he had Tim McMurray put on an elevated ramp for a tunnel front and used a Gamo micrometrical aperture rear), it seems to me that one could have a ball with a JW, plus or minus a kerchief and a Stetson (if that trips your mental trigger, drop me a line:  Jock has resources for a printable bucket target, and Frank Turner, a constructor of field targets, has created a cute little three-dimensional metal bucket, complete with bail and about 1? inches tall, for the effort; I can also get references for the Precision Shooting and The Accurate Rifle articles).  And, while it is not on every riflist's front burner, such events as the Palma, the Wimbledon, the Leech et alias can be cardiac accelerators and certainly seem interesting. 

 

    An event scaled for the capabilities of the JW and its competitors (are there any?) would be intriguing, logistically much easier than accommodating 900, 1000 and 1100 yard shooting with thirty cals.  And what about "tactical" events?  Getting up and ready can compass the destruction of a modest fortune in ammunition, load development, ancillary gear and so on; JW pfutgewehr and sights aren't cheap either, and pellet testing does eat some hours, but prices and logistics are beyond compare thereafter.   

 

        4.  Anent barrel swapping:  When I get my own Whiscombe . . . which won't be in the next 45 days, sad to say . . . yes, if you still have it I might be interested.

 

        5.  Another question:  While the diabolo configuration has become the trial-and-error default standard for conventional airguns, especially springers, owing to its drag stabilization characteristics, it is unstable in transsonic velocity ranges, of which the high-testosterone versions of the JW are certainly capable in 177 and, I think, in 20 and 22 calibers.  There has been production and work in the past with slugs, or bullet-shaped pellets.  Corbin makes dies to cold form such things from lead wire cutoffs, including driving-banded, land-riding-bourellet configurations, with variable depth base punches to allow variable overall weights and weight distribution.  While Mr. Whiscombe has pointed out that, power notwithstanding, his powerplant is still a spring-air one with the same operational characteristics, such as less good function with heavier pellets in most bore diameters, has anyone done work with streamlined slugs such as above in any of the JW guns?

 

                                        David 

----- Original Message -----

From: Ken Ridout

To: Whiscombe@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 9:41 AM

Subject: Re: [Whiscombe] Quietude

 

At 11:29 PM 9/21/2003 -0600, you wrote:

    Quiet?  Okay, here're some thoughts to talk about.
 
       1.  I've been rereading John Whiscombe's 1996 interview with Pete Reiff in U. S. Airgun (copy kindly provided by Gabe Gonzales).  In in, Mr. Whiscombe talks about rifling twists for various airgun projectiles in various calibers.  He also says that he thinks that usual firearms rifling styles are inappropriate to airgun pellets . . . not really a big surprise.  With the relative ease of barrel swapping in the Whiscombe design, has anyone on the list done any custom barrel experimentation, to examine other rifling patterns, other twists, et cetera?

I understand that there is some research going on now about airgun rifling twist.  A guy in Calif. has decided that progressive twist would be the way to go; and plans to market barrels.  This news was as of the SHOT show in Orlando.  It made sense until I learned that people have already been down this path to no avail.  I question my Steyr barrel, because of the way it spirals pellets down range unless they're traveling over 870 FPS. 

       2.  The various JW-FB rifles are recoil compensated (of course . . . duh) and should, therefore, respond similarly to loose or firm holds as do such rifles as Giss system Dianas and FWB 150/300s, which is to say tolerant of firm grips and shoulder contacts.  How does the Whiscombe respond to a tight sling?

I'll bet LD knows the answer to this one.  I've found that my FWB300S requires lightly firm shoulder pressure to be consistently accurate.   If I hold  too loose, it sprays pellets.

 

       3.  Given their power and accuracy potential, one should think that JWs would be ideal for long range shooting, as John Ulrich's recent reports of his new rifle's performance should suggest.  But Ray Appelles has been reported to hit 75 to 80 yard field targets with his FT tuned FWB 300 at factory spec velocities.  What is long range with the JW rifles?  Has anyone tried really long stuff . . . 100, 150, even 200 yards?   With what results?  What is the set-up: rifle specs, pellets, chronographic data?
 
    4.  How well does the JW hold POA/POI with barrel swapping?  

I bought a .20 barrel with my .177 WHiscombe.  I shouldn't have wasted the money.  I'll probably never use it.  If anyone wants to buy a .20 barrel for their Whiscombe, mine is available.

Ken

 

           
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From: happyhtr3 < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=ivsZUW5cFjxwhi6koEDwmeaSBMeA0dborly78cx51DSogiP3vikEInMF29In8fkHRrgIroMMiIiJrGJ7 >
Date: Mon Sep 22, 2003 8:09pm
Subject: I've heard # 6 is more consistent. Let me know if anyone tries them.

 

 

--- In  http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=reXCRTHNj696y-w_TRDkrzcenjoNjIrQpe1G-5fgNkGgken6XH-gdUTCT6CAHmqfbiepNnpHIQkFGs1mAGhx7sJfqw , "JONATHAN ULRICH" <sgtjohn_1@m...>
wrote:
> All die # 5...
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: happyhtr3
> To:  http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=reXCRTHNj696y-w_TRDkrzcenjoNjIrQpe1G-5fgNkGgken6XH-gdUTCT6CAHmqfbiepNnpHIQkFGs1mAGhx7sJfqw
> Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2003 10:26 PM
> Subject: [Whiscombe] Re: Leo, All, anyone?
>
>
> > Sgt John What die number of CPL's were you shooting during
your
> testing? Were they Die # 6?
>

>

> > John W set mine (JW70 MK2 SN:014) for CPL's. I shot it straight
out
> of the box after installing a Leup 6.5X20 and BLK rings
refininished
> by Spradlins of Colorado. It shot accurate enough but chronod
around
> 720 FPS with CPLs (lubed with slick 50) and 705 with JSB's. Then
I
> remembered the restrictor. Took it off and chronod around 1000
> FPS...ten-shot groups around 1/2 to 3/4 " at 50 yards.
> >
> > I did notice that some of the CPL pellets required considerable
> push to sit in. I decided to resize a bunch of em and use a pell
> seat. The groups tightened up considerably...resulting in
several
> one hole 5-shot groups. Been raining here most of the day so I
> didn't set up the chronograph.
> >
> > A lot of folks don't like bench resting airguns because
of 'hold
> dificulties'...my personal opinion is that it is mostly BS...the
name
> of the game in bench resting is consistency...meaning setting of
your
> gun, rests, ammo and everything else exactly the same every
single
> time...the only thing you gotta figure out is doping the wind,
> atmospheric pressure, and hopefully the gods are in your favor...
LOL
> >
> >
> > John U.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Leo Duran
> > To:  http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=reXCRTHNj696y-w_TRDkrzcenjoNjIrQpe1G-5fgNkGgken6XH-gdUTCT6CAHmqfbiepNnpHIQkFGs1mAGhx7sJfqw
> > Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2003 4:23 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Whiscombe] Leo, All, anyone?
> >
> >
> > I wonder how John's groups are doing?
> >
> > From his pictures on the "Yellow" page, it looks like
> > he uses "hard" front&rear bags for bench-resting.
> > And, as I understand it, the Whizzer does not like
> > that setup. Also, he talked abot chroning CPLs, not
> > JSBs, and I'm sure JW adjusted the HOTS for JSBs in
> > .177... So, again, I suspect he must not be grouping
> > too well with: (1) his bench-rest setup, and (2)using
> > CPLs.
> >
> > Tell us about it John...
> > Leo.
> >
> >
> >
> > --- Ken <ken@c...> wrote:
> > > It HAS been kind of dead, hasn't it. Even with John
> > > Ulrich receiving his
> > > new Whizzer. I'm surprised he hasn't reported to us
> > > about it.
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From: Ken Ridout < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=wHIVjLNlt48kLBcgPnaoNjGcXNUoFu389rYFlnLpNla9IxBH7vVF_sLboFFZhiIhsriI_C0PdI0 >
Date: Mon Sep 22, 2003 9:18pm
Subject: Re: I've heard # 6 is more consistent. Let me know if anyone tries them.

 

 

Because of my experiences with CPHs, I wondered if the determining factor of the quality of the pellet might be the little round ball before it's pressed into pellet shape.  If the ball is too small (or light) the die will produce a poor pellet or a peewee pellet.   Of course, then there's the issue that CPs need to be cleaned before using.  I'm using JSB Heavies and Kodiak Match pellets instead.  They are both pretty much equal performers with the best CPH pellets in my Falcon, Whiscombe, and Steyr.   

Ken

At 07:09 PM 9/22/2003 +0000, you wrote:

--- In Whiscombe@yahoogroups.com, "JONATHAN ULRICH"
wrote:
> All die # 5...
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: happyhtr3
>   To: Whiscombe@yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2003 10:26 PM
>   Subject: [Whiscombe] Re: Leo, All, anyone?
>
>
>   > Sgt John    What die number of CPL's were you shooting during
your
>   testing? Were they Die # 6?
>                                                                    
   
>                                                                    
   
>   > John W set mine (JW70 MK2 SN:014) for CPL's. I shot it straight
out
>   of the box after installing a Leup 6.5X20 and BLK rings
refininished
>   by Spradlins of Colorado. It shot accurate enough but chronod
around
>   720 FPS with CPLs (lubed with slick 50) and 705 with JSB's. Then
I
>   remembered the restrictor. Took it off and chronod around 1000
>   FPS...ten-shot groups around 1/2 to 3/4 "  at 50 yards.
>   >
>   > I did notice that some of the CPL pellets required considerable
>   push to sit in. I decided to resize a bunch of em and use a pell
>   seat.  The groups tightened up considerably...resulting in
several
>   one hole 5-shot groups.  Been raining here most of the day so I
>   didn't set up the chronograph.
>   >
>   > A lot of folks don't like bench resting airguns because
of 'hold
>   dificulties'...my personal opinion is that it is mostly BS...the
name
>   of the game in bench resting is consistency...meaning setting of
your
>   gun, rests, ammo and everything else exactly the same every
single
>   time...the only thing you gotta figure out is doping the wind,
>   atmospheric pressure, and hopefully the gods are in your favor...
LOL
>   >
>   >
>   > John U.
>   >   ----- Original Message -----
>   >   From: Leo Duran
>   >   To: Whiscombe@yahoogroups.com
>   >   Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2003 4:23 PM
>   >   Subject: Re: [Whiscombe] Leo, All, anyone?
>   >
>   >
>   >   I wonder how John's groups are doing?
>   >
>   >   From his pictures on the "Yellow" page, it looks like
>   >   he uses "hard" front&rear bags for bench-resting.
>   >   And, as I understand it, the Whizzer does not like
>   >   that setup.  Also, he talked abot chroning CPLs, not
>   >   JSBs, and I'm sure JW adjusted the HOTS for JSBs in
>   >   .177... So, again, I suspect he must not be grouping
>   >   too well with: (1) his bench-rest setup, and (2)using
>   >   CPLs.
>   >
>   >   Tell us about it John...
>   >   Leo.
>   >
>   >
>   >
>   >   --- Ken wrote:
>   >   > It HAS been kind of dead, hasn't it.  Even with John
>   >   > Ulrich receiving his
>   >   > new Whizzer.  I'm surprised he hasn't reported to us
>   >   > about it.
>   >   >
>   >   > Ken
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From: Leo Duran < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=mYYW6IFHLgp04PSgLoBfo4dZvhH0fuEj2N6Fs9WfWiju-7yJJ3NmbNnqGojCXL2fueIQkBIyPWMdR2w3 >
Date: Mon Sep 22, 2003 9:26pm
Subject: Re: Quietude

 

 

Ken,

I remember reading a thread on "Delphi". in regards to
folks swapping out the stock Styer barrel, I think for
an Anchutz, don't remember model#... perhaps it has to
do with this riffling issue you guys are japping
about.

Leo.

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From: Ken Ridout < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=a8KFIzQtThdmq4gperW0FQnPyfLzsALCfYMQUmQqupQD4IvA77GpubTfElWOz4PqPCRyw9W6Wqo >
Date: Mon Sep 22, 2003 10:05pm
Subject: Re: Quietude

 

 

I think Allen used to use Career barrels.   There was some issue concerning barrels with his early conversions; and he rectified them; but I don't know the particulars.  My Steyr is the only PCP rifle that noticeably spirals pellets.  My uneducated guess was that the barrel designed for 550 fps wadcutters at 10m was not applicable to 750fps domed pellets at 50 yards.  I just assumed it was the rifling.  LD says that the "lead" (I think that's the right term for where you insert the pellet) can also cause problems or cure them.   When I turned the velocity up to 870 fps, the corkscrewing pellets decreased about 95%.  (smaller corkscrews and not every pellet)  I've not tried to observe pellets in flight with the Whiscombe.  Maybe this Fall, I'll do that.   It was a fun experiment with the Steyr and Falcon and more recently with the P70jr.

Ken

At 01:26 PM 9/22/2003 -0700, you wrote:

Ken,

I remember reading a thread on "Delphi". in regards to
folks swapping out the stock Styer barrel, I think for
an Anchutz, don't remember model#... perhaps it has to
do with this riffling issue you guys are japping
about.

Leo.

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166

From: Leo Duran < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=hX6d_ofFXXORkxG1Hkji6zNgA1T5Zw4vcCzDSq7F7Uvt_wh1oyuPfUvSH1YIgcWn6_jus7Ih3fM-BWorzg >
Date: Mon Sep 22, 2003 11:10pm
Subject: Re: Quietude

 

 

Ken,

I've never experienced the "pellet in flight"
phenomenon, until now with the Whizzer. I don't see
them all of time, mind you, but I've had some luck
with mid-range targets, where the pellet path is
pretty much on the line of sight. It blew me away.

For those with PCP guns, like you, am sure this a
common occurence... but moving up from an HW-97, this
quite an experience for me.

Leo.

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From: Lawrence H Durham < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=_xodkFLAVu6Vt_GyKO7jmGK5pt_lid00ZQIKUlCDGH4nilnTe_ndqoMcOXFUWPnKk5a0RZf-q8R5Ug >
Date: Tue Sep 23, 2003 5:13am
Subject: Re: I've heard # 6 is more consistent. Let me know if anyone tries them.

 

 

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On Mon, 22 Sep 2003 15:18:51 -0500 Ken Ridout <ken@callairco.com> writes:

Because of my experiences with CPHs, I wondered if the determining factor of the quality of the pellet might be the little round ball before it's pressed into pellet shape.  If the ball is too small (or light) the die will produce a poor pellet or a peewee pellet.   Of course, then there's the issue that CPs need to be cleaned before using.  I'm using JSB Heavies and Kodiak Match pellets instead.  They are both pretty much equal performers with the best CPH pellets in my Falcon, Whiscombe, and Steyr.   

Ken

At 07:09 PM 9/22/2003 +0000, you wrote:

--- In Whiscombe@yahoogroups.com, "JONATHAN ULRICH"
wrote:
> All die # 5...
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: happyhtr3
>   To: Whiscombe@yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2003 10:26 PM
>   Subject: [Whiscombe] Re: Leo, All, anyone?
>
>
>   > Sgt John    What die number of CPL's were you shooting during
your
>   testing? Were they Die # 6?
>                                                                    
   
>                                                                    
   
>   > John W set mine (JW70 MK2 SN:014) for CPL's. I shot it straight
out
>   of the box after installing a Leup 6.5X20 and BLK rings
refininished
>   by Spradlins of Colorado. It shot accurate enough but chronod
around
>   720 FPS with CPLs (lubed with slick 50) and 705 with JSB's. Then
I
>   remembered the restrictor. Took it off and chronod around 1000
>   FPS...ten-shot groups around 1/2 to 3/4 "  at 50 yards.
>   >
>   > I did notice that some of the CPL pellets required considerable
>   push to sit in. I decided to resize a bunch of em and use a pell
>   seat.  The groups tightened up considerably...resulting in
several
>   one hole 5-shot groups.  Been raining here most of the day so I
>   didn't set up the chronograph.
>   >
>   > A lot of folks don't like bench resting airguns because
of 'hold
>   dificulties'...my personal opinion is that it is mostly BS...the
name
>   of the game in bench resting is consistency...meaning setting of
your
>   gun, rests, ammo and everything else exactly the same every
single
>   time...the only thing you gotta figure out is doping the wind,
>   atmospheric pressure, and hopefully the gods are in your favor...
LOL
>   >
>   >
>   > John U.
>   >   ----- Original Message -----
>   >   From: Leo Duran
>   >   To: Whiscombe@yahoogroups.com
>   >   Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2003 4:23 PM
>   >   Subject: Re: [Whiscombe] Leo, All, anyone?
>   >
>   >
>   >   I wonder how John's groups are doing?
>   >
>   >   From his pictures on the "Yellow" page, it looks like
>   >   he uses "hard" front&rear bags for bench-resting.
>   >   And, as I understand it, the Whizzer does not like
>   >   that setup.  Also, he talked abot chroning CPLs, not
>   >   JSBs, and I'm sure JW adjusted the HOTS for JSBs in
>   >   .177... So, again, I suspect he must not be grouping
>   >   too well with: (1) his bench-rest setup, and (2)using
>   >   CPLs.
>   >
>   >   Tell us about it John...
>   >   Leo.
>   >
>   >
>   >
>   >   --- Ken wrote:
>   >   > It HAS been kind of dead, hasn't it.  Even with John
>   >   > Ulrich receiving his
>   >   > new Whizzer.  I'm surprised he hasn't reported to us
>   >   > about it.
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From: Ken < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=pJamdCETh3XyORsWZC6wuVUYJkiU--m42ldww-FPx9KoJ-0GYjIyL8Sl_XxmWKzPM9lssAPQVWusDw >
Date: Tue Sep 23, 2003 4:39am
Subject: Re: I've heard # 6 is more consistent. Let me know if anyone tries them.

 

 

Hmmmmm, I didn't notice the ad.  Don't know where it came from.

Ken

At 09:13 PM 9/22/2003 -0700, you wrote:

Please, no more Adkins or other unsolicited ads?
 
On Mon, 22 Sep 2003 15:18:51 -0500 Ken Ridout <ken@callairco.com> writes:

Because of my experiences with CPHs, I wondered if the determining factor of the quality of the pellet might be the little round ball before it's pressed into pellet shape.  If the ball is too small (or light) the die will produce a poor pellet or a peewee pellet.   Of course, then there's the issue that CPs need to be cleaned before using.  I'm using JSB Heavies and Kodiak Match pellets instead.  They are both pretty much equal performers with the best CPH pellets in my Falcon, Whiscombe, and Steyr.   

Ken

At 07:09 PM 9/22/2003 +0000, you wrote:

--- In Whiscombe@yahoogroups.com, "JONATHAN ULRICH"

wrote:

> All die # 5...

>   ----- Original Message -----

>   From: happyhtr3

>   To: Whiscombe@yahoogroups.com

>   Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2003 10:26 PM

>   Subject: [Whiscombe] Re: Leo, All, anyone?

>   > Sgt John    What die number of CPL's were you shooting during

your

>   testing? Were they Die # 6?

>                                                                    

   

>                                                                    

   

>   > John W set mine (JW70 MK2 SN:014) for CPL's. I shot it straight

out

>   of the box after installing a Leup 6.5X20 and BLK rings

refininished

>   by Spradlins of Colorado. It shot accurate enough but chronod

around

>   720 FPS with CPLs (lubed with slick 50) and 705 with JSB's. Then

I

>   remembered the restrictor. Took it off and chronod around 1000

>   FPS...ten-shot groups around 1/2 to 3/4 "  at 50 yards.

>   >

>   > I did notice that some of the CPL pellets required considerable

>   push to sit in. I decided to resize a bunch of em and use a pell

>   seat.  The groups tightened up considerably...resulting in

several

>   one hole 5-shot groups.  Been raining here most of the day so I

>   didn't set up the chronograph.

>   >

>   > A lot of folks don't like bench resting airguns because

of 'hold

>   dificulties'...my personal opinion is that it is mostly BS...the

name

>   of the game in bench resting is consistency...meaning setting of

your

>   gun, rests, ammo and everything else exactly the same every

single

>   time...the only thing you gotta figure out is doping the wind,

>   atmospheric pressure, and hopefully the gods are in your favor...

LOL

>   >

>   >

>   > John U.

>   >   ----- Original Message -----

>   >   From: Leo Duran

>   >   To: Whiscombe@yahoogroups.com

>   >   Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2003 4:23 PM

>   >   Subject: Re: [Whiscombe] Leo, All, anyone?

>   >

>   >

>   >   I wonder how John's groups are doing?

>   >

>   >   From his pictures on the "Yellow" page, it looks like

>   >   he uses "hard" front&rear bags for bench-resting.

>   >   And, as I understand it, the Whizzer does not like

>   >   that setup.  Also, he talked abot chroning CPLs, not

>   >   JSBs, and I'm sure JW adjusted the HOTS for JSBs in

>   >   .177... So, again, I suspect he must not be grouping

>   >   too well with: (1) his bench-rest setup, and (2)using

>   >   CPLs.

>   >

>   >   Tell us about it John...

>   >   Leo.

>   >

>   >

>   >

>   >   --- Ken wrote:

>   >   > It HAS been kind of dead, hasn't it.  Even with John

>   >   > Ulrich receiving his

>   >   > new Whizzer.  I'm surprised he hasn't reported to us

>   >   > about it.

>   >   >

>   >   > Ken

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From: Lawrence H Durham < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=_adcb9WnLVwGhDUJbSQQcUiiOzJkG0BeqxndsMIl8dYuddf5yTT_mAEbO26cSEtMhUM_eCGAWmIlXtt0SQ >
Date: Tue Sep 23, 2003 5:17am
Subject: Re: Quietude

 

 

I found the .177 Lothar Walther "polygonal rifled barrel" completely
unsatisfactory in my JW60MKII (ser #1) shooting 19+fpe, swapped it for a
Career barrel
that was NOT turned down like the Walther tubes are as fitted for the
JW's. I'm relatively pleased with the results.

ld

On Mon, 22 Sep 2003 13:26:08 -0700 (PDT) Leo Duran < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=QRgZOWkG3N2ItEoHeOvDP5K3YFt4GDZank2iVEs_OOG6xTBAC85uyhR6k1sNUWoYFul284AC4SIpu1k >
writes:
> Ken,
>
> I remember reading a thread on "Delphi". in regards to
> folks swapping out the stock Styer barrel, I think for
> an Anchutz, don't remember model#... perhaps it has to
> do with this riffling issue you guys are japping
> about.
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170

From: Lawrence H Durham < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=4gqoivwQ-_rbSq8ksEFcr9Kq2RTUw_w4I9LpUHoI79qweSPZnI1P3UYx2209sq8LHonymU7rKKk >
Date: Tue Sep 23, 2003 5:19am
Subject: Re: Quietude

 

 

Its LEADE, with an extra "e" on the end .. probly to show how OLDE the term really is.

 

ld

 

On Mon, 22 Sep 2003 16:05:05 -0500 Ken Ridout <ken@callairco.com> writes:

I think Allen used to use Career barrels.   There was some issue concerning barrels with his early conversions; and he rectified them; but I don't know the particulars.  My Steyr is the only PCP rifle that noticeably spirals pellets.  My uneducated guess was that the barrel designed for 550 fps wadcutters at 10m was not applicable to 750fps domed pellets at 50 yards.  I just assumed it was the rifling.  LD says that the "lead" (I think that's the right term for where you insert the pellet) can also cause problems or cure them.   When I turned the velocity up to 870 fps, the corkscrewing pellets decreased about 95%.  (smaller corkscrews and not every pellet)  I've not tried to observe pellets in flight with the Whiscombe.  Maybe this Fall, I'll do that.   It was a fun experiment with the Steyr and Falcon and more recently with the P70jr.

Ken

At 01:26 PM 9/22/2003 -0700, you wrote:

Ken,

I remember reading a thread on "Delphi". in regards to
folks swapping out the stock Styer barrel, I think for
an Anchutz, don't remember model#... perhaps it has to
do with this riffling issue you guys are japping
about.

Leo.

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From: happyhtr3 < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=CK3luBFNAbQ4kT2VRVv3xt62Uh_yVoeZ4W01H6I_CSEurXujXx0i10w2G2pQdKHu4sj2qkwr6xI >
Date: Thu Sep 25, 2003 5:17am
Subject: Re: Quietude

 

 

I have experienced that "spiraling" before on a 100 yrd target
(JW80). It was very small (quarter sized or so) but I noticed the
group was in a corkscrew/spiral type pattern. I think it was around
seven shots. I shot ten shots but three went far far away from main
group???. I shrugged that spiral looking group off till I read about
this kind of thing somewhere. I will post a pic of that group if I
can find it. It makes sense to me now. The sprial must always be
there to some degree and increases funnel like the further you go out
there depending on "tune" between round and rifle. Sound possible?

 

172

From: David N. Kahn < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=j6VHR4KQmGm70EPWyLp7fRrQ4Fxz7HMr6jWNcDqLB61rG10xMAEIiJOYVzs0DS5FFFczSc07HavZ6niEX4l0wXk >
Date: Thu Sep 25, 2003 6:10am
Subject: Publications; Ownership Roster

 

 

    A perhaps mildly off-the-wall query:  The folks on this list appear well-read and knowledgeable.  Does anyone have a list . . . or can anyone generate a list . . . of articles (magazines, newsletters such as The Airgun Letter, books, whatever) discussing Whiscombe rifles and/or related topics?  I'm aware of the Jess Galan review in Airgun Digest, Third Edition, the JW80 evaluation by Pete Reiff in U. S. Airgun in 1996, Reiff's interview with Mr. Whiscombe in U. S. Airgun also in 1996 (thanks again, Gabe), a couple of reviews (JW80 and something else) by Nick Jenkinson in Airgun World in 2001 and 2002 and the article on the web site by Pete Wadeson from Shooting Sports in 2000.  What else is there?

 

    Also, it seems to me as a current nonowner wannabe that a roster of owners with a description of their gun or guns and additional comment (maybe plus photographs) would be an interesting addition to the home page of the list.  What say?

 

                                        David 

 

173

From: Arnold Smith < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=7ACysDjjpRYpCwY6PIV5HF_wixHyhITmO4rlRBYIrm6IutP8P4VzWBiiOLG8Jy6uqVdjpqexM3AtLEZpzbsryxdI >
Date: Fri Oct 3, 2003 10:14pm
Subject: JW-80

 

 

Hello, I have the opportunity to purchase a JW-80 with 4 barrels
from Nick Sweis. Anyone know of this gun or any of its history?

Many thanks

Arnold

 

174

From: Gaines Blackwell < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=c5QkdZDEMprSZgO12XnQy_D02v1ercvC9QLstQBTrG41JjPUC_4A0HcVnl5ZbrPkJ8NhpEGWrMs-nlWTnpc >
Date: Mon Oct 6, 2003 1:49am
Subject: Whiscombe website

 

 

Would it be possible to post John's web address in a permanent place,
here?...gtb

 

175

From: Leo Duran < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=86Y7ysTvVw0Wvr0YmBsLtC4O8o1X2w-pVvxBIDm6qzvYVnK475-h1hAOpX7m5zwNYhCRfJq2LFfZNg >
Date: Mon Oct 6, 2003 3:06pm
Subject: Re: Whiscombe website

 

 

Looks like it's there already...
Check it out at:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/links

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> Would it be possible to post John's web address in a
> permanent place,
> here?...gtb
>
>

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Date: Mon Oct 6, 2003 4:35pm
Subject: I'm new :}

 

 

Hi guys nice forum Ive just ordered my first Wizzer after shooting
one at my local club though its a 6 month wait it'll give me time to
sell My PCP's to fund this little beaut the one I had hold off was
an earlier version and apparently JW has improved the spec a little
now but even the old one was sure a shooter!!! I'm kinda sick of
PCP's now and find them a little soulless so I'm looking forward to
getting the JW60 "I'm in UK silly gun laws" and spending time getting
to know it the one I shot had a silencer and I believe the newer ones
wont take one "the HOTS" an all that jazz But i hear they are no
loader than say a Pro Elite or a AATX that should keep next door
happy!!!!...if anyone could tell me a little more or point me in the
right direction I would be gratefully as Info is kinda
scarse......all the best Dermot!!!!

 

177

From: Lawrence H Durham < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=cGaC2-2NQLlT6M4qMPTyFFG-06zvuf5umDZXaBazQs18yfS6-3GRVK7JXoCAFEmuInMdJd0DZ_svs6rf >
Date: Mon Oct 6, 2003 6:35pm
Subject: Re: I'm new :}

 

 

If i were to buy a UK spec gun it would be the JW50size if you can get
it.
The HOTT setup quiets the gun a LOT, not need for silencer.

The JW50 size can deliver well over 12fpe if needed, but i'm sure JW gets
em right
under for you guys. this size has the least stress on the springs of
about anmy airgun around,
and will provide smoothest most consistant delivery of any. My old one
is near 15 yrs now and still
delivers within 5fps of velocity when new ... has had no repairs or
adjustment ever. Mine is US spec,
delivers 875fps/8gr in .177 and about 715fps/14gr in .22 cal.

ld

On Mon, 06 Oct 2003 15:35:10 -0000 "wonderwall696"
< http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=XSzEbgBnML25X5CLoDYSsOd_xf279LJ0QHJGUTO4Z_8lebWCYjOqH_fvPpczz2oDsILzMInNZLrJg7lnZqkxDXVv > writes:
> Hi guys nice forum Ive just ordered my first Wizzer after shooting
> one at my local club though its a 6 month wait it'll give me time to
>
> sell My PCP's to fund this little beaut the one I had hold off was
>
> an earlier version and apparently JW has improved the spec a little
>
> now but even the old one was sure a shooter!!! I'm kinda sick of
> PCP's now and find them a little soulless so I'm looking forward to
>
> getting the JW60 "I'm in UK silly gun laws" and spending time
> getting
> to know it the one I shot had a silencer and I believe the newer
> ones
> wont take one "the HOTS" an all that jazz But i hear they are no
> loader than say a Pro Elite or a AATX that should keep next door
> happy!!!!...if anyone could tell me a little more or point me in the
>
> right direction I would be gratefully as Info is kinda
> scarse......all the best Dermot!!!!
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Date: Mon Oct 6, 2003 6:36pm
Subject: Re: I'm new :}

 

 

---
yep apparently the old legal UK limit gun the JW50 is now the JW60
and I suppose he tailors power according to country its going to, or
if I had a FAC....JW did mention that the HOT's had some kind of
hollow in so Id think that works as a good sound suppressor I also
asked for the match trigger as I heard good reports but really 6Oz
would be ok, but may as well huh? its cool theres a forum......when I
get used to it a little I'm looking forward to doing some Hunter
FT :}...thanx for reply by the wayzzz

In  http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=vmNAQj3db3M1yXVePNr_ec4vVWKWNLrdAVVhGjzUPWg2OxJf7bfUna2uzuS3uPl6hZ0f9ePB0o6B6ueu6hLW-FiW , Lawrence H Durham <lhdurham2@j...>
wrote:
> If i were to buy a UK spec gun it would be the JW50size if you can
get
> it.
> The HOTT setup quiets the gun a LOT, not need for silencer.
>
> The JW50 size can deliver well over 12fpe if needed, but i'm sure
JW gets
> em right
> under for you guys. this size has the least stress on the springs
of
> about anmy airgun around,
> and will provide smoothest most consistant delivery of any. My old
one
> is near 15 yrs now and still
> delivers within 5fps of velocity when new ... has had no repairs or
> adjustment ever. Mine is US spec,
> delivers 875fps/8gr in .177 and about 715fps/14gr in .22 cal.
>
> ld
>
>
> On Mon, 06 Oct 2003 15:35:10 -0000 "wonderwall696"
> <dermotmt@b...> writes:
> > Hi guys nice forum Ive just ordered my first Wizzer after
shooting
> > one at my local club though its a 6 month wait it'll give me time
to
> >
> > sell My PCP's to fund this little beaut the one I had hold off
was
> >
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little
> >
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to
> >
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> > getting
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> > ones
> > wont take one "the HOTS" an all that jazz But i hear they are no
> > loader than say a Pro Elite or a AATX that should keep next door
> > happy!!!!...if anyone could tell me a little more or point me in
the
> >
> > right direction I would be gratefully as Info is kinda
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From: Gaines Blackwell < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=LyK--qjs7SKjGc9j1dMD2ZGdNZDFZVuvU48GfW537jxS5BCDSh75OLTap6M0eiHeOXZUhouVbrS_rZDC3K0YBg >
Date: Mon Oct 6, 2003 10:17pm
Subject: Re: I'm new :}

 

 

 I haven't bought an airgun in over 6 months and decided I probably would never get another for reasons unrelated to airgunning. But surprize, surprize, that feeling is starting to come back, just one more! A JW is beguiling.....I like springers and recoiless guns but all of mine are 10M types, and a Whiscombe is certainly appealing. I am leaning toward a 60 in .17, with standard stock, match trigger and sling swivels in blue. I am very patient so that is not a problem. . David got me started thinking about this and Larry confirmed my beliefs about what I might want in one. I have about a dozen airguns I really do not shoot often and I need to reduce inventory. A JW built to ones specifications might be just the ticket. Fewer but better airguns......

 

Gaines Blackwell

----- Original Message -----

From: Lawrence H Durham

To: Whiscombe@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 12:35 PM

Subject: Re: [Whiscombe] I'm new :}

 

If i were to buy a UK spec gun it would be the JW50size if you can get
it.
The HOTT setup quiets the gun a LOT, not need for silencer.

The JW50 size can deliver well over 12fpe if needed, but i'm sure JW gets
em right
under for  you guys.  this size has the least stress on the springs of
about anmy airgun around,
and will provide smoothest most consistant delivery of any.  My old one
is near 15 yrs now and still
delivers within 5fps of velocity when new ... has had no repairs or
adjustment ever.  Mine is US spec,
delivers 875fps/8gr in .177 and about 715fps/14gr in .22 cal.

ld

On Mon, 06 Oct 2003 15:35:10 -0000 "wonderwall696"
writes:
>  Hi guys nice forum Ive just ordered my first Wizzer after shooting
> one at my local club though its a 6 month wait it'll give me time to
>
> sell My PCP's to fund this  little beaut the one I had hold off was
>
> an earlier version and apparently JW has improved the spec a little
>
> now but even the old one was sure a shooter!!! I'm kinda sick of
> PCP's now and find them a little soulless so I'm looking forward to
>
> getting the JW60 "I'm in UK silly gun laws" and spending time
> getting
> to know it the one I shot had a silencer and I believe the newer
> ones
> wont take one "the HOTS" an all that jazz But i hear they are no
> loader than say a Pro Elite or a AATX that should keep next door
> happy!!!!...if anyone could tell me a little more or point me in the
>
> right direction I would be gratefully as Info is kinda
> scarse......all the best Dermot!!!!
>
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From: wonderwall696 < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=u8wX2QzAidQHeTLi5R75pvHQ27A8rPnnSkwkhB0_iVFY07WdEFVoxXBQFHmxgnn4JExXYhIrBkYmZ4KmVbrhKfzW >
Date: Mon Oct 6, 2003 11:04pm
Subject: Re: I'm new :}

 

 

--

4sure Gaines!!......I've come to the conclusion that having to many
scope/gun combinations can only do your shooting no good at all..but
I also think a lot of we Air-gunners get a lot of pleasure from
ownership as well, so its hard to strike the right balance...but all
of mine are going and it will be a wrench but I'm sure the Wizzer
will make up for it and I'm keeping two nice pieces of glass it will
be nice not having to mess around with air bottles and stuff too @:@}

- In  http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=OzLoP9ZOaeUFL6kv-PkH7at_v3pgKlRjm770T53sZAOFfX_QkG_iOK8N3Jt3w3ytoLJETzhnGY7RwVnO161VNI8UGA , "Gaines Blackwell" <gtblackwell@c...>
wrote:
> I haven't bought an airgun in over 6 months and decided I probably
would never get another for reasons unrelated to airgunning. But
surprize, surprize, that feeling is starting to come back, just one
more! A JW is beguiling.....I like springers and recoiless guns but
all of mine are 10M types, and a Whiscombe is certainly appealing. I
am leaning toward a 60 in .17, with standard stock, match trigger and
sling swivels in blue. I am very patient so that is not a problem. .
David got me started thinking about this and Larry confirmed my
beliefs about what I might want in one. I have about a dozen airguns
I really do not shoot often and I need to reduce inventory. A JW
built to ones specifications might be just the ticket. Fewer but
better airguns......
>
> Gaines Blackwell
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Lawrence H Durham
> To:  http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=OzLoP9ZOaeUFL6kv-PkH7at_v3pgKlRjm770T53sZAOFfX_QkG_iOK8N3Jt3w3ytoLJETzhnGY7RwVnO161VNI8UGA
> Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 12:35 PM
> Subject: Re: [Whiscombe] I'm new :}
>
>
> If i were to buy a UK spec gun it would be the JW50size if you
can get
> it.
> The HOTT setup quiets the gun a LOT, not need for silencer.
>
> The JW50 size can deliver well over 12fpe if needed, but i'm sure
JW gets
> em right
> under for you guys. this size has the least stress on the
springs of
> about anmy airgun around,
> and will provide smoothest most consistant delivery of any. My
old one
> is near 15 yrs now and still
> delivers within 5fps of velocity when new ... has had no repairs
or
> adjustment ever. Mine is US spec,
> delivers 875fps/8gr in .177 and about 715fps/14gr in .22 cal.
>
> ld
>
>
> On Mon, 06 Oct 2003 15:35:10 -0000 "wonderwall696"
> <dermotmt@b...> writes:
> > Hi guys nice forum Ive just ordered my first Wizzer after
shooting
> > one at my local club though its a 6 month wait it'll give me
time to
> >
> > sell My PCP's to fund this little beaut the one I had hold off
was
> >
> > an earlier version and apparently JW has improved the spec a
little
> >
> > now but even the old one was sure a shooter!!! I'm kinda sick
of
> > PCP's now and find them a little soulless so I'm looking
forward to
> >
> > getting the JW60 "I'm in UK silly gun laws" and spending time
> > getting
> > to know it the one I shot had a silencer and I believe the
newer
> > ones
> > wont take one "the HOTS" an all that jazz But i hear they are
no
> > loader than say a Pro Elite or a AATX that should keep next
door
> > happy!!!!...if anyone could tell me a little more or point me
in the
> >
> > right direction I would be gratefully as Info is kinda
> > scarse......all the best Dermot!!!!
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From: Lawrence H Durham < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=K-UEDi6VkIn87buQNJjFRsV6D70OtM0FfFqYp0ixQgyogyv8pvu-fRntlrGDGn2L6CEqGj_FWMVGJmHDOg >
Date: Mon Oct 6, 2003 11:56pm
Subject: Re: Re: I'm new :}

 

 

There IS some room inside the hotts, for air to expand ... i don't need
to ask, i have one of the first ones he fitted.

ld

On Mon, 06 Oct 2003 17:36:40 -0000 "wonderwall696"
< http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=8dvjInh62iZunA6nxTR9Yo49y7Wk11dhliVonhwst-b4Ejp5zaPjTQrOgiQcMPnFtWtjlKz3-9K4xnWFI7tjNJiPCw > writes:
> ---
> yep apparently the old legal UK limit gun the JW50 is now the JW60
>
> and I suppose he tailors power according to country its going to, or
>
> if I had a FAC....JW did mention that the HOT's had some kind of
> hollow in so Id think that works as a good sound suppressor I also
> asked for the match trigger as I heard good reports but really 6Oz
> would be ok, but may as well huh? its cool theres a forum......when
> I
> get used to it a little I'm looking forward to doing some Hunter
> FT :}...thanx for reply by the wayzzz
>
>
>
>
> In  http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=j4sUnmnvIwjDu3mUO5PKoUr8DjKYc_7BJVw6kNKs0AupG5BmAFA38dAFFtA7wnYZS8URCitfm-ZgxQMg1KA4FEfF , Lawrence H Durham <lhdurham2@j...>
> wrote:
> > If i were to buy a UK spec gun it would be the JW50size if you can
>
> get
> > it.
> > The HOTT setup quiets the gun a LOT, not need for silencer.
> >
> > The JW50 size can deliver well over 12fpe if needed, but i'm sure
>
> JW gets
> > em right
> > under for you guys. this size has the least stress on the
> springs
> of
> > about anmy airgun around,
> > and will provide smoothest most consistant delivery of any. My
> old
> one
> > is near 15 yrs now and still
> > delivers within 5fps of velocity when new ... has had no repairs
> or
> > adjustment ever. Mine is US spec,
> > delivers 875fps/8gr in .177 and about 715fps/14gr in .22 cal.
> >
> > ld
> >
> >
> > On Mon, 06 Oct 2003 15:35:10 -0000 "wonderwall696"
> > <dermotmt@b...> writes:
> > > Hi guys nice forum Ive just ordered my first Wizzer after
> shooting
> > > one at my local club though its a 6 month wait it'll give me
> time
> to
> > >
> > > sell My PCP's to fund this little beaut the one I had hold off
>
> was
> > >
> > > an earlier version and apparently JW has improved the spec a
> little
> > >
> > > now but even the old one was sure a shooter!!! I'm kinda sick of
>
> > > PCP's now and find them a little soulless so I'm looking forward
>
> to
> > >
> > > getting the JW60 "I'm in UK silly gun laws" and spending time
> > > getting
> > > to know it the one I shot had a silencer and I believe the newer
>
> > > ones
> > > wont take one "the HOTS" an all that jazz But i hear they are no
>
> > > loader than say a Pro Elite or a AATX that should keep next door
>
> > > happy!!!!...if anyone could tell me a little more or point me in
>
> the
> > >
> > > right direction I would be gratefully as Info is kinda
> > > scarse......all the best Dermot!!!!
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From: Lawrence H Durham < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=O9DkoHPSWbZZVYsP2X1tUi1TnETSZMMgqMosauDVcIFxcy7r-KG4oHxRQiGR1NRS6ulXOZ4Pxul0Xfs >
Date: Mon Oct 6, 2003 11:58pm
Subject: Re: I'm new :}

 

 

The standard trigger is SO good it seems a waste to buy the match one to me.

 

ld 

 

On Mon, 6 Oct 2003 16:17:12 -0500 "Gaines Blackwell" <gtblackwell@charter.net> writes:

 I haven't bought an airgun in over 6 months and decided I probably would never get another for reasons unrelated to airgunning. But surprize, surprize, that feeling is starting to come back, just one more! A JW is beguiling.....I like springers and recoiless guns but all of mine are 10M types, and a Whiscombe is certainly appealing. I am leaning toward a 60 in .17, with standard stock, match trigger and sling swivels in blue. I am very patient so that is not a problem. . David got me started thinking about this and Larry confirmed my beliefs about what I might want in one. I have about a dozen airguns I really do not shoot often and I need to reduce inventory. A JW built to ones specifications might be just the ticket. Fewer but better airguns......

 

Gaines Blackwell

----- Original Message -----

From: Lawrence H Durham

To: Whiscombe@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 12:35 PM

Subject: Re: [Whiscombe] I'm new :}

 

If i were to buy a UK spec gun it would be the JW50size if you can get
it.
The HOTT setup quiets the gun a LOT, not need for silencer.

The JW50 size can deliver well over 12fpe if needed, but i'm sure JW gets
em right
under for  you guys.  this size has the least stress on the springs of
about anmy airgun around,
and will provide smoothest most consistant delivery of any.  My old one
is near 15 yrs now and still
delivers within 5fps of velocity when new ... has had no repairs or
adjustment ever.  Mine is US spec,
delivers 875fps/8gr in .177 and about 715fps/14gr in .22 cal.

ld

On Mon, 06 Oct 2003 15:35:10 -0000 "wonderwall696"
writes:
>  Hi guys nice forum Ive just ordered my first Wizzer after shooting
> one at my local club though its a 6 month wait it'll give me time to
>
> sell My PCP's to fund this  little beaut the one I had hold off was
>
> an earlier version and apparently JW has improved the spec a little
>
> now but even the old one was sure a shooter!!! I'm kinda sick of
> PCP's now and find them a little soulless so I'm looking forward to
>
> getting the JW60 "I'm in UK silly gun laws" and spending time
> getting
> to know it the one I shot had a silencer and I believe the newer
> ones
> wont take one "the HOTS" an all that jazz But i hear they are no
> loader than say a Pro Elite or a AATX that should keep next door
> happy!!!!...if anyone could tell me a little more or point me in the
>
> right direction I would be gratefully as Info is kinda
> scarse......all the best Dermot!!!!
>
>
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From: wonderwall696 < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=i-iZZuUsl2rtVN71tkgwUl4zdSV9mf0OpvVGBv6NeG3At-5J7bTmWgtcaKPmkK5ZO9PdJkMnGJue0o2lhwdD2yw >
Date: Tue Oct 7, 2003 1:21am
Subject: Lawrence

 

 

--
Is there much adjustment on the standard 6oz or haven't u ever
bothered mate....

- In  http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=5rUEpUtzvt1WVptxNnslyYtcpebmrt0NWKSjN-DFFOxywZlQicALFEWOzJWwiXu9CL-N9o3UgvrO2vgwRyRLxpc , Lawrence H Durham <lhdurham2@j...>
wrote:
> The standard trigger is SO good it seems a waste to buy the match
one to
> me.
>
> ld
>
> On Mon, 6 Oct 2003 16:17:12 -0500 "Gaines Blackwell"
> <gtblackwell@c...> writes:
> I haven't bought an airgun in over 6 months and decided I probably
would
> never get another for reasons unrelated to airgunning. But surprize,
> surprize, that feeling is starting to come back, just one more! A
JW is
> beguiling.....I like springers and recoiless guns but all of mine
are 10M
> types, and a Whiscombe is certainly appealing. I am leaning toward
a 60
> in .17, with standard stock, match trigger and sling swivels in
blue. I
> am very patient so that is not a problem. . David got me started
thinking
> about this and Larry confirmed my beliefs about what I might want
in one.
> I have about a dozen airguns I really do not shoot often and I need
to
> reduce inventory. A JW built to ones specifications might be just
the
> ticket. Fewer but better airguns......
>
> Gaines Blackwell
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Lawrence H Durham
> To:  http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=5rUEpUtzvt1WVptxNnslyYtcpebmrt0NWKSjN-DFFOxywZlQicALFEWOzJWwiXu9CL-N9o3UgvrO2vgwRyRLxpc
> Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 12:35 PM
> Subject: Re: [Whiscombe] I'm new :}
>
>
> If i were to buy a UK spec gun it would be the JW50size if you can
get
> it.
> The HOTT setup quiets the gun a LOT, not need for silencer.
>
> The JW50 size can deliver well over 12fpe if needed, but i'm sure
JW gets
> em right
> under for you guys. this size has the least stress on the springs
of
> about anmy airgun around,
> and will provide smoothest most consistant delivery of any. My old
one
> is near 15 yrs now and still
> delivers within 5fps of velocity when new ... has had no repairs or
> adjustment ever. Mine is US spec,
> delivers 875fps/8gr in .177 and about 715fps/14gr in .22 cal.
>
> ld
>
>
> On Mon, 06 Oct 2003 15:35:10 -0000 "wonderwall696"
> <dermotmt@b...> writes:
> > Hi guys nice forum Ive just ordered my first Wizzer after
shooting
> > one at my local club though its a 6 month wait it'll give me time
to
> >
> > sell My PCP's to fund this little beaut the one I had hold off
was
> >
> > an earlier version and apparently JW has improved the spec a
little
> >
> > now but even the old one was sure a shooter!!! I'm kinda sick of
> > PCP's now and find them a little soulless so I'm looking forward
to
> >
> > getting the JW60 "I'm in UK silly gun laws" and spending time
> > getting
> > to know it the one I shot had a silencer and I believe the newer
> > ones
> > wont take one "the HOTS" an all that jazz But i hear they are no
> > loader than say a Pro Elite or a AATX that should keep next door
> > happy!!!!...if anyone could tell me a little more or point me in
the
> >
> > right direction I would be gratefully as Info is kinda
> > scarse......all the best Dermot!!!!
> >
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From: Lawrence H Durham < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=-P-IQ8lpbnghw0_od0haQYFELz6rzUr8mRclNRvDWL5RUT6mZWoEjy2EDZ7A19KsPcGNIb_39AiK >
Date: Tue Oct 7, 2003 4:33am
Subject: Re: Lawrence

 

 

My first one came in set at around 5oz, i left it that way and its STILL
that way after many thousands of rounds.

My second one was mabe 7oz and i reduced it to around 5oz, and my last
one was mabe 4oz as i got it, i filldeld with it a little
because i like the first stage a little longer, but o prefer a crisp
4-5oz to a vague 2 oz. I feel the target trigger is to light, and needs
some fisslin to get it up to the std trigger feel, which i prefer.

ld

On Tue, 07 Oct 2003 00:21:05 -0000 "wonderwall696"
< http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=eMhzEZy4gSG45Z_sn63OfGiP32CJKks_WdZ071BVmU98hj5ZRuP-W0L6EJ-uMvBW1IvGX99MQkxkDdXlsvMuCQ > writes:
> --
> Is there much adjustment on the standard 6oz or haven't u ever
> bothered mate....
>
>
>
> - In  http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=vx7nqfalLCkxv_33TIOevVFQf0OF1OE1u-KEVt17-in4Y-NYXwIddH4niQQ2W2txNGUkhaoPEMUaU_x7A9AMAxN3Qw , Lawrence H Durham <lhdurham2@j...>
> wrote:
> > The standard trigger is SO good it seems a waste to buy the match
>
> one to
> > me.
> >
> > ld
> >
> > On Mon, 6 Oct 2003 16:17:12 -0500 "Gaines Blackwell"
> > <gtblackwell@c...> writes:
> > I haven't bought an airgun in over 6 months and decided I
> probably
> would
> > never get another for reasons unrelated to airgunning. But
> surprize,
> > surprize, that feeling is starting to come back, just one more! A
>
> JW is
> > beguiling.....I like springers and recoiless guns but all of mine
>
> are 10M
> > types, and a Whiscombe is certainly appealing. I am leaning toward
>
> a 60
> > in .17, with standard stock, match trigger and sling swivels in
> blue. I
> > am very patient so that is not a problem. . David got me started
> thinking
> > about this and Larry confirmed my beliefs about what I might want
>
> in one.
> > I have about a dozen airguns I really do not shoot often and I
> need
> to
> > reduce inventory. A JW built to ones specifications might be just
>
> the
> > ticket. Fewer but better airguns......
> >
> > Gaines Blackwell
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Lawrence H Durham
> > To:  http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=vx7nqfalLCkxv_33TIOevVFQf0OF1OE1u-KEVt17-in4Y-NYXwIddH4niQQ2W2txNGUkhaoPEMUaU_x7A9AMAxN3Qw
> > Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 12:35 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Whiscombe] I'm new :}
> >
> >
> > If i were to buy a UK spec gun it would be the JW50size if you can
>
> get
> > it.
> > The HOTT setup quiets the gun a LOT, not need for silencer.
> >
> > The JW50 size can deliver well over 12fpe if needed, but i'm sure
>
> JW gets
> > em right
> > under for you guys. this size has the least stress on the
> springs
> of
> > about anmy airgun around,
> > and will provide smoothest most consistant delivery of any. My
> old
> one
> > is near 15 yrs now and still
> > delivers within 5fps of velocity when new ... has had no repairs
> or
> > adjustment ever. Mine is US spec,
> > delivers 875fps/8gr in .177 and about 715fps/14gr in .22 cal.
> >
> > ld
> >
> >
> > On Mon, 06 Oct 2003 15:35:10 -0000 "wonderwall696"
> > <dermotmt@b...> writes:
> > > Hi guys nice forum Ive just ordered my first Wizzer after
> shooting
> > > one at my local club though its a 6 month wait it'll give me
> time
> to
> > >
> > > sell My PCP's to fund this little beaut the one I had hold off
>
> was
> > >
> > > an earlier version and apparently JW has improved the spec a
> little
> > >
> > > now but even the old one was sure a shooter!!! I'm kinda sick of
>
> > > PCP's now and find them a little soulless so I'm looking forward
>
> to
> > >
> > > getting the JW60 "I'm in UK silly gun laws" and spending time
> > > getting
> > > to know it the one I shot had a silencer and I believe the newer
>
> > > ones
> > > wont take one "the HOTS" an all that jazz But i hear they are no
>
> > > loader than say a Pro Elite or a AATX that should keep next door
>
> > > happy!!!!...if anyone could tell me a little more or point me in
>
> the
> > >
> > > right direction I would be gratefully as Info is kinda
> > > scarse......all the best Dermot!!!!
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From: Gaines Blackwell < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=PvKZV18d_DmMgqgPiOMFebrliOkBFsz-F0CcQGHn44dWsapaQO4SVUVCUtLi6Ub3xq4Zog8X5YOtWh1E4w >
Date: Tue Oct 7, 2003 4:05am
Subject: Re: Lawrence

 

 

Very useful information, a crisp 5 oz certainly beats a not so 2 oz. I have a few 10M guns that are too light for me...gtb

----- Original Message -----

From: Lawrence H Durham

To: Whiscombe@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 10:33 PM

Subject: Re: [Whiscombe] Lawrence

 

My first one came in set at around 5oz, i left it that way and its STILL
that way after many thousands of rounds.

My second one was mabe 7oz and i reduced it to around 5oz, and my last
one was mabe 4oz as i got it, i filldeld with it a little
because i like the first stage a little longer, but o prefer a crisp
4-5oz to a vague 2 oz.   I feel the target trigger is to light, and needs
some fisslin to get it up to the std trigger feel, which i prefer.

ld

On Tue, 07 Oct 2003 00:21:05 -0000 "wonderwall696"
writes:
> --
> Is there much adjustment on the standard 6oz or haven't u ever
> bothered mate....
>
>
>
> - In Whiscombe@yahoogroups.com, Lawrence H Durham
> wrote:
> > The standard trigger is SO good it seems a waste to buy the match
>
> one to
> > me.
> >
> > ld
> >
> > On Mon, 6 Oct 2003 16:17:12 -0500 "Gaines Blackwell"
> > writes:
> >  I haven't bought an airgun in over 6 months and decided I
> probably
> would
> > never get another for reasons unrelated to airgunning. But
> surprize,
> > surprize, that feeling is starting to come back, just one more! A
>
> JW is
> > beguiling.....I like springers and recoiless guns but all of mine
>
> are 10M
> > types, and a Whiscombe is certainly appealing. I am leaning toward
>
> a 60
> > in .17, with standard stock, match trigger and sling swivels in
> blue. I
> > am very patient so that is not a problem. . David got me started
> thinking
> > about this and Larry confirmed my beliefs about what I might want
>
> in one.
> > I have about a dozen airguns I really do not shoot often and I
> need
> to
> > reduce inventory. A JW built to ones specifications might be just
>
> the
> > ticket. Fewer but better airguns......
> >
> > Gaines Blackwell
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Lawrence H Durham
> > To: Whiscombe@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 12:35 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Whiscombe] I'm new :}
> >
> >
> > If i were to buy a UK spec gun it would be the JW50size if you can
>
> get
> > it.
> > The HOTT setup quiets the gun a LOT, not need for silencer.
> >
> > The JW50 size can deliver well over 12fpe if needed, but i'm sure
>
> JW gets
> > em right
> > under for  you guys.  this size has the least stress on the
> springs
> of
> > about anmy airgun around,
> > and will provide smoothest most consistant delivery of any.  My
> old
> one
> > is near 15 yrs now and still
> > delivers within 5fps of velocity when new ... has had no repairs
> or
> > adjustment ever.  Mine is US spec,
> > delivers 875fps/8gr in .177 and about 715fps/14gr in .22 cal.
> >
> > ld
> >
> >
> > On Mon, 06 Oct 2003 15:35:10 -0000 "wonderwall696"
> > writes:
> > >  Hi guys nice forum Ive just ordered my first Wizzer after
> shooting
> > > one at my local club though its a 6 month wait it'll give me
> time
> to
> > >
> > > sell My PCP's to fund this  little beaut the one I had hold off
>
> was
> > >
> > > an earlier version and apparently JW has improved the spec a
> little
> > >
> > > now but even the old one was sure a shooter!!! I'm kinda sick of
>
> > > PCP's now and find them a little soulless so I'm looking forward
>
> to
> > >
> > > getting the JW60 "I'm in UK silly gun laws" and spending time
> > > getting
> > > to know it the one I shot had a silencer and I believe the newer
>
> > > ones
> > > wont take one "the HOTS" an all that jazz But i hear they are no
>
> > > loader than say a Pro Elite or a AATX that should keep next door
>
> > > happy!!!!...if anyone could tell me a little more or point me in
>
> the
> > >
> > > right direction I would be gratefully as Info is kinda
> > > scarse......all the best Dermot!!!!
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From: Ken < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=yY8Z_igSDB4rU7uH63AdSgBH-vNvlpRP_bWjFwZyS6N6ABY3SRWA8IKfpoVdk4mXOIqWaEARLLyvRrKL >
Date: Tue Oct 7, 2003 4:19am
Subject: Re: Lawrence

 

 

Hello, everybody!

I'm back from Colorado and Rocky Mountain National Park.  I'd love to sell out here in Dallas and move up there permanently!  Oh well.

David Kahn drove the 1-1/2 hour (plus some for traffic) from his home in Denver to the YMCA of the Rockies where Judy and I were staying.  We had a very nice 2-hour or so airgun festival with the Whiscombe.  David brought his friend, Mark, with him for company and to try to get him hooked on airguns.  (I think it worked, David!)

Anyway, regarding trigger pull: I have left the trigger where John set it on my Whiscombe.  I think the return spring is adjusted slightly too loose, because it doesn't always return while feeling for the 2nd stage.  I haven't looked into the adjustments to see what can be done to stiffen up the return spring.
I should check the rifle for pressure required to break the sear.  I have the tool, but have never used it on the Whiscombe.  I think my 2ns stage break point is very, very crisp and predictable.  In non-wind conditions, I can rest against it, then squeeze through to break the sear fairly precisely.  In windy conditions, my form goes all to heck. 

Ken

At 10:05 PM 10/6/2003 -0500, you wrote:

Very useful information, a crisp 5 oz certainly beats a not so 2 oz. I have a few 10M guns that are too light for me...gtb

----- Original Message -----

From: Lawrence H Durham

To: Whiscombe@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 10:33 PM

Subject: Re: [Whiscombe] Lawrence

My first one came in set at around 5oz, i left it that way and its STILL

that way after many thousands of rounds.

My second one was mabe 7oz and i reduced it to around 5oz, and my last

one was mabe 4oz as i got it, i filldeld with it a little

because i like the first stage a little longer, but o prefer a crisp

4-5oz to a vague 2 oz.   I feel the target trigger is to light, and needs

some fisslin to get it up to the std trigger feel, which i prefer.

ld

On Tue, 07 Oct 2003 00:21:05 -0000 "wonderwall696"

writes:

> --

> Is there much adjustment on the standard 6oz or haven't u ever

> bothered mate....

> - In Whiscombe@yahoogroups.com, Lawrence H Durham

> wrote:

> > The standard trigger is SO good it seems a waste to buy the match

> one to

> > me.

> >

> > ld

> >

> > On Mon, 6 Oct 2003 16:17:12 -0500 "Gaines Blackwell"

> > writes:

> >  I haven't bought an airgun in over 6 months and decided I

> probably

> would

> > never get another for reasons unrelated to airgunning. But

> surprize,

> > surprize, that feeling is starting to come back, just one more! A

> JW is

> > beguiling.....I like springers and recoiless guns but all of mine

> are 10M

> > types, and a Whiscombe is certainly appealing. I am leaning toward

> a 60

> > in .17, with standard stock, match trigger and sling swivels in

> blue. I

> > am very patient so that is not a problem. . David got me started

> thinking

> > about this and Larry confirmed my beliefs about what I might want

> in one.

> > I have about a dozen airguns I really do not shoot often and I

> need

> to

> > reduce inventory. A JW built to ones specifications might be just

> the

> > ticket. Fewer but better airguns......

> >

> > Gaines Blackwell

> > ----- Original Message -----

> > From: Lawrence H Durham

> > To: Whiscombe@yahoogroups.com

> > Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 12:35 PM

> > Subject: Re: [Whiscombe] I'm new :}

> >

> >

> > If i were to buy a UK spec gun it would be the JW50size if you can

> get

> > it.

> > The HOTT setup quiets the gun a LOT, not need for silencer.

> >

> > The JW50 size can deliver well over 12fpe if needed, but i'm sure

> JW gets

> > em right

> > under for  you guys.  this size has the least stress on the

> springs

> of

> > about anmy airgun around,

> > and will provide smoothest most consistant delivery of any.  My

> old

> one

> > is near 15 yrs now and still

> > delivers within 5fps of velocity when new ... has had no repairs

> or

> > adjustment ever.  Mine is US spec,

> > delivers 875fps/8gr in .177 and about 715fps/14gr in .22 cal.

> >

> > ld

> >

> >

> > On Mon, 06 Oct 2003 15:35:10 -0000 "wonderwall696"

> > writes:

> > >  Hi guys nice forum Ive just ordered my first Wizzer after

> shooting

> > > one at my local club though its a 6 month wait it'll give me

> time

> to

> > >

> > > sell My PCP's to fund this  little beaut the one I had hold off

> was

> > >

> > > an earlier version and apparently JW has improved the spec a

> little

> > >

> > > now but even the old one was sure a shooter!!! I'm kinda sick of

> > > PCP's now and find them a little soulless so I'm looking forward

> to

> > >

> > > getting the JW60 "I'm in UK silly gun laws" and spending time

> > > getting

> > > to know it the one I shot had a silencer and I believe the newer

> > > ones

> > > wont take one "the HOTS" an all that jazz But i hear they are no

> > > loader than say a Pro Elite or a AATX that should keep next door

> > > happy!!!!...if anyone could tell me a little more or point me in

> the

> > >

> > > right direction I would be gratefully as Info is kinda

> > > scarse......all the best Dermot!!!!

> > >

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Date: Tue Oct 7, 2003 4:21am
Subject: Re: I'm new :}

 

 

Soul-less is a good description of a PCP.  I agree!  All my springers have SOUL!  My PCP's are merely tools. 

Ken

At 03:35 PM 10/6/2003 +0000, you wrote:

 Hi guys nice forum Ive just ordered my first Wizzer after shooting
one at my local club though its a 6 month wait it'll give me time to
sell My PCP's to fund this  little beaut the one I had hold off was
an earlier version and apparently JW has improved the spec a little
now but even the old one was sure a shooter!!! I'm kinda sick of
PCP's now and find them a little soulless so I'm looking forward to
getting the JW60 "I'm in UK silly gun laws" and spending time getting
to know it the one I shot had a silencer and I believe the newer ones
wont take one "the HOTS" an all that jazz But i hear they are no
loader than say a Pro Elite or a AATX that should keep next door
happy!!!!...if anyone could tell me a little more or point me in the
right direction I would be gratefully as Info is kinda
scarse......all the best Dermot!!!!

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Date: Tue Oct 7, 2003 4:34am
Subject: Re: I'm new :}

 

 

My love is for match rifles with match triggers.  With no experience with John's "standard" trigger, I chose the match to be consistent with the rest of my airgunning experience.  I've not been disappointed with the match trigger; but still have never used his "standard" trigger for comparison.  From what I hear nowadays, the standard is a great trigger; as good as a "Match" trigger on many target rifles.

Ken

At 03:58 PM 10/6/2003 -0700, you wrote:

The standard trigger is SO good it seems a waste to buy the match one to me.
 
ld
 
On Mon, 6 Oct 2003 16:17:12 -0500 "Gaines Blackwell" <gtblackwell@charter.net> writes:

 I haven't bought an airgun in over 6 months and decided I probably would never get another for reasons unrelated to airgunning. But surprize, surprize, that feeling is starting to come back, just one more! A JW is beguiling.....I like springers and recoiless guns but all of mine are 10M types, and a Whiscombe is certainly appealing. I am leaning toward a 60 in .17, with standard stock, match trigger and sling swivels in blue. I am very patient so that is not a problem. . David got me started thinking about this and Larry confirmed my beliefs about what I might want in one. I have about a dozen airguns I really do not shoot often and I need to reduce inventory. A JW built to ones specifications might be just the ticket. Fewer but better airguns......

 

Gaines Blackwell

----- Original Message -----

From: Lawrence H Durham

To: Whiscombe@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 12:35 PM

Subject: Re: [Whiscombe] I'm new :}

If i were to buy a UK spec gun it would be the JW50size if you can get

it.

The HOTT setup quiets the gun a LOT, not need for silencer.

The JW50 size can deliver well over 12fpe if needed, but i'm sure JW gets

em right

under for  you guys.  this size has the least stress on the springs of

about anmy airgun around,

and will provide smoothest most consistant delivery of any.  My old one

is near 15 yrs now and still

delivers within 5fps of velocity when new ... has had no repairs or

adjustment ever.  Mine is US spec,

delivers 875fps/8gr in .177 and about 715fps/14gr in .22 cal.

ld

On Mon, 06 Oct 2003 15:35:10 -0000 "wonderwall696"

writes:

>  Hi guys nice forum Ive just ordered my first Wizzer after shooting

> one at my local club though its a 6 month wait it'll give me time to

> sell My PCP's to fund this  little beaut the one I had hold off was

> an earlier version and apparently JW has improved the spec a little

> now but even the old one was sure a shooter!!! I'm kinda sick of

> PCP's now and find them a little soulless so I'm looking forward to

> getting the JW60 "I'm in UK silly gun laws" and spending time

> getting

> to know it the one I shot had a silencer and I believe the newer

> ones

> wont take one "the HOTS" an all that jazz But i hear they are no

> loader than say a Pro Elite or a AATX that should keep next door

> happy!!!!...if anyone could tell me a little more or point me in the

> right direction I would be gratefully as Info is kinda

> scarse......all the best Dermot!!!!

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From: wonderwall696 < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=yGIsjMKUy3ixz2F-9DykTleec2D42KrfdGOF-5ZXkNZX4U0wvdoF_fOiMe-tXzTJcnHsxOP9x7qEqEN0Y8lP >
Date: Tue Oct 7, 2003 0:56pm
Subject: Photo added

 

 

I put a couple o pics I found up Whizzer1 sure has a nice stock
looks like it may have been refinished what u guys think?

 

190

From: Lawrence H Durham < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=HRGqZUaX7qQmjhhyrrt6GiJyeNm1IObXwFkaMVqVubvVtmiKFZ2XZSpcFAGuC5OgyHSpPgcJ6iUmjA >
Date: Tue Oct 7, 2003 5:21pm
Subject: Re: I'm new :}

 

 

You just own the wrong pcp's

 

On Mon, 06 Oct 2003 22:21:38 -0500 Ken <ken@callairco.com> writes:

Soul-less is a good description of a PCP.  I agree!  All my springers have SOUL!  My PCP's are merely tools. 

Ken

At 03:35 PM 10/6/2003 +0000, you wrote:

 Hi guys nice forum Ive just ordered my first Wizzer after shooting
one at my local club though its a 6 month wait it'll give me time to
sell My PCP's to fund this  little beaut the one I had hold off was
an earlier version and apparently JW has improved the spec a little
now but even the old one was sure a shooter!!! I'm kinda sick of
PCP's now and find them a little soulless so I'm looking forward to
getting the JW60 "I'm in UK silly gun laws" and spending time getting
to know it the one I shot had a silencer and I believe the newer ones
wont take one "the HOTS" an all that jazz But i hear they are no
loader than say a Pro Elite or a AATX that should keep next door
happy!!!!...if anyone could tell me a little more or point me in the
right direction I would be gratefully as Info is kinda
scarse......all the best Dermot!!!!

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From: Ken Ridout < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=zZD9NbtuyBEwlVO5WxIuj2SeyMmzmF3ECiNA_zTPVvA8mJJH6SehSDIyEQ3oCCwkzHlMZiDHlbN5fdw >
Date: Tue Oct 7, 2003 4:53pm
Subject: Re: I'm new :}

 

 

If I had the knowledge, skills, and ability to design and build my own PCP (like someone I know), it would have soul.   I have the tools (Bridgeport mill and 36" lathe) but lack the skills and experience to use them for all but the simplest projects. 

Ken

At 09:21 AM 10/7/2003 -0700, you wrote:

You just own the wrong pcp's
 
On Mon, 06 Oct 2003 22:21:38 -0500 Ken <ken@callairco.com> writes:

Soul-less is a good description of a PCP.  I agree!  All my springers have SOUL!  My PCP's are merely tools. 

Ken

At 03:35 PM 10/6/2003 +0000, you wrote:

 Hi guys nice forum Ive just ordered my first Wizzer after shooting

one at my local club though its a 6 month wait it'll give me time to

sell My PCP's to fund this  little beaut the one I had hold off was

an earlier version and apparently JW has improved the spec a little

now but even the old one was sure a shooter!!! I'm kinda sick of

PCP's now and find them a little soulless so I'm looking forward to

getting the JW60 "I'm in UK silly gun laws" and spending time getting

to know it the one I shot had a silencer and I believe the newer ones

wont take one "the HOTS" an all that jazz But i hear they are no

loader than say a Pro Elite or a AATX that should keep next door

happy!!!!...if anyone could tell me a little more or point me in the

right direction I would be gratefully as Info is kinda

scarse......all the best Dermot!!!!

 

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From: John M. Ulrich < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=qBFASMGUMPIcIfvmlPk5gCgXqJgjlpGj8k-3k1P4_smuFwF7zd2wHr0MhljVUdL6-oEu3nbkBLs >
Date: Tue Oct 7, 2003 11:12pm
Subject: JW 70 in .22

 

 

I intended to order one in the near future but all the recent
postings have got me worried...(don't want to wait another year due
to John W. being swamped with orders)...so I sent off an order
today. Downside to this is that I'll have to wait just a little
longer for a Sheridan Supergrade A and B I've been lusting for....

 

193

From: Ken Ridout < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=Ne7iWAqItiW13RiTKgBYkyiC5vP9EuXl8stGAZQugdPtppZVhGx-EN80FLV4r2CYg9OGo_Q0rq82 >
Date: Tue Oct 7, 2003 11:23pm
Subject: Re: JW 70 in .22

 

 

I think that our forum and Internet talk about Whiscombes is causing an increase in orders for John.  I tried to invite him to the forum, but YAHOO doesn't like his email address (info@whatever.com)

Ken

At 10:12 PM 10/7/2003 +0000, you wrote:

I intended to order one in the near future but all the recent
postings have got me worried...(don't want to wait another year due
to John W. being swamped with orders)...so I sent off an order
today. Downside to this is that I'll have to wait just a little
longer for a Sheridan Supergrade A and B I've been lusting for....

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From: David Nissen Kahn < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=P0q0vTAaePEEm4NWTg6T4hX1RfDQqB-JLDhg2-gfzSmgQ3KNaGhZKoOblWytY0MqgEGmHLgvYY7iHOIxdXRSDA >
Date: Mon Oct 6, 2003 6:58pm
Subject: Fw: [FWB300airguns] Fw: Barrels

 

 

At Leo Duran's suggestion, I've forwarded this from a far-afield discussion on the FWB 300 site.

 

                                David

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Leo Duran

To: FWB300airguns@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 10:43 AM

Subject: Re: [FWB300airguns] Fw: Barrels

 

David,

I'm sure folks here, in the "300s group" don't mind,
but... how about posting this in the "Whiscombe"
group? IMO, it's good info.

BTW, my biased suggestion is to get the
"middle-of-pack", JW-70, with the .177 and .22
barrels.  It'd do everything you ask it to do, and
pretty well I think.
I got the "soft-70", because I'm primarily interested
in FT, but you might go with "harder" springs to get a
few more "fpe"... there's  always a compromise, right?

Leo.

--- "David N. Kahn" wrote:
> Gentlemen/Ladies,
>
>     Since we're already far afield but, withal,
> having an interesting discussion related to accuracy
> and recoillessness, I thought to forward this
> exchange between me and Mr. Whiscombe.  He may not
> know everything about his guns, since he builds them
> for worldwide distribution and since airgunners are
> an experimental and inquisitive lot, but he does
> know quite a bit, including who has what and,
> apparently, how it's used.  For what it's worth and
> for your information.
>
>                                 David
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: John Whiscombe
> To: David N. Kahn
> Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2003 8:22 AM
> Subject: Re: Barrels
>
>
> David,
> I do tend to agree with Larry et al about the no. of
> barrels needed. I think that if we had no power
> restriction I would only need a 70 in .22 cal. with
> maybe one restrictor for your 20 ft.lb limit. I am a
> great fan of the .22 Prem as opposed to the .20; it
> also has much better side wind tolerance than the
> .177. I don't supply restrictors now, unless for a
> specific purpose.I have discontinued the .20 barrel
> as it is no more accurate than, and less
> ballisticaly efficient than the .22 (Prems.) up to
> 900 ft/sec, but after that it overtakes the .22.
> From a springer the .22 is also far more efficient
> (approx. 15%). Having said all that,if money was no
> problem a 70 in .177 is very flat shooting and in
> .25 at 28'ish ft/lb is a wonderful bunny basher. The
> 80 is too much gun for FT. The 60 is really smooth
> but maybe not quite enough power for an all rounder.
> John W.
>   Mr. Whiscombe,
>
>       At the risk of being a nuisance, since I'm not
> an immediate customer (though one saving his pennies
> and selling off superfluous stuff), may I ask a
> question?  I recently was allowed to test one of
> your rifles, owned by Ken Ridout of Dallas, a
> striking black and white  JW65FB, which Mr. Ridout
> uses in 177 caliber, though he has 20 barrel that he
> has never fitted, never mind shot.  He and others,
> such as Larry Durham, have said that the barrel
> changing feature is interesting but, relatively
> speaking, superfluous:  As they say it, determine
> what you want to do with your air rifle, pick the
> model that delivers that power level that is
> appropriate, pick the caliber that is apposite and
> forget it.
>
>       I say in response that I'm not certain what
> use I'll put it to.  Port restrictors and extra
> barrels give me the most versatility while I fit the
> gun into my shooting life.  Yes, I certainly won't
> change the barrels out daily, nor screw the
> restrictor in and out with any frequency.  But a
> significant level of versatility in a gun that is
> worth its purchase without doubt but is still a
> costly bundle makes sense to me.  (By the same
> token, when I order I'll buy both sporter and target
> stocks.)  It seems notably important if one wishes,
> as I do, to make comparative ballistical experiments
> and evaluations, especially in projectile
> development.
>
>       May I ask how you see the situation, and my I
> reproduce your answer for the discussion currently
> taking place on the FWB 300 talk list?  You are,
> after all is done and said, the man who fathered the
> whole set of questions.
>
>       Thank you very much for your time and trouble.
>  And I found your rifle immensely enjoyable, a
> technomechanical delight and a sensual pleasure to
> both sight and touch.  If on general principles I
> wanted one before, I positively covet one now!
>
>                               Yours cordially,
>
>                               David Nissen Kahn

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From: wonderwall696 < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=TZcL7kOjJT6zsb2ARu_hauU9JWxJVeULLmdfNLqXEhf_jmwry1wrV8S1rh3vOMU8-PgFiVgg7AvwzANNuOhmvNrZ >
Date: Tue Oct 14, 2003 3:41pm
Subject: Varminter Gun Vyse

 

 

Anyone use the variminter for a rest? I have one I use for PCP's and
its fine just wondering who the Whizzer would be Hold sensitivity and
all that Jazz,,,,,,,

 

196

From: Ken Ridout < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=mZ4djYpo9ugxI8e4eNjVBNl-rUGWKQLOcUSI9NPCT3qu2h1VoIXuPruFPwMx2osX52TjwWmLSEZr_A >
Date: Tue Oct 14, 2003 3:55pm
Subject: Re: Varminter Gun Vyse

 

 

I don't consider the Whiscombe "hold sensitive" as the term is applied to regular lightweight springers.  Mine shoots very accurately and consistently from a rest; but maybe not if the butt isn't pulled rather firmly into the shoulder.  I've found that compensated springers like the FWB-300S and the Whiscombe tend to like firm shoulder pressure.  i.e. my FWB-300S (if held extremely loosely)  will create a 1/4" group at 10 meters, but seems to perfectly stack pellets if held firmly.   I've attempted the same test with the Whiscombe at 30 yards, but my own shooting skills and the environment make that more difficult to be as conclusive.

Ken

At 02:41 PM 10/14/2003 +0000, you wrote:

Anyone use the variminter for a rest? I have one I use for PCP's and
its fine just wondering who the Whizzer would be Hold sensitivity and
all that Jazz,,,,,,,

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From: David Nissen Kahn < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=3wxBYRxOLJoSdV-htq9MFDheM8xdFlCUhcUSPYeTVyPapz1zPU4bnOzoqVxl_KVUOg1FaoMWeLBq5Mk1mI7BL_U >
Date: Tue Oct 14, 2003 4:29pm
Subject: Re: Varminter Gun Vyse

 

 

For first-hand Whiscombe experience, I must defer to you folks with
closetfuls of Whizzers. All the bench shooting setups I've seen in
photographs (including on Mr. Whiscombe's web site) are in standard firearms
configuration (mechanical front rest with sandbag and return-to-battery
indicator, rabbit- or owl-ear rear bag and shottist in usual bench posture
with dominant hand on stock wrist, subordinate hand controlling elevation by
squeezing rear bag at stock toe. My experience with my FWB 300SU is that
standard firearms resting techniques work well, save that consistency of
shoulder contact (as Ken notes, firm but not hard) is a bit difficult to
produce without some practice.

As a FWIW, see www.lahticompany.com. Arne Lahti has developed a
pyrorifle testing fixture (a sort of machine rest), the Lahti Rifle
Evaluator, designed to eliminate operator performance error from the testing
equation, leaving mechanical function of the rifle/ammunition system
unperturbed. It was very favorably reviewed by a writer in Precision
Shooting a few years ago, and the sniper community writers also seem to
admire it.

I've corresponded with Mr. Lahti. I should say that I am unconvinced
that he understands spring-gun recoil patterns, even after my spelling
things out for him in detail. Nevertheless, he says that his device is
compatible with recoiling springers. I can't visualize how one would use a
Lahti rest for break barrel or underlever air rifles (doubt there is
sufficient mechanical clearance), but, if one can contrive a way that will
keep the rifle's alignment in the cradle undisturbed, this ought to be the
"hot ticket" for aerorifle and pellet testing protocols. Doubtless it would
work swimmingly with any PCP rifle and any recoil-compensated spring rifle.
The price is certainly favorable, $324.95 plus $15 shipping, if a dedicated
aerohoplologist who does a lot of testing is interested; it would be a
doable thing if a club or a couple of shooting partners shared the expense.
If naught else, the idea as illustrated in Mr. Lahti's web pages should be
meat for some of the mechanical folks hereabouts to work out a "home did"
testing fixture for airgun dedication. If anyone wishes, I will be happy to
send a copy of the PS article.

David

 

198

From: Leo Duran < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=zqH5sgbTkzwiMD74jwolcdbAXMO6rG0QbXJB-ZhkhrJOqB8KqQ61BhxwDfdY9RWou8P18EOub7bvdw >
Date: Tue Oct 14, 2003 4:40pm
Subject: Re: Re: Varminter Gun Vyse

 

 

David,

I must admit tha I'm curious...
What's an "aerohoplologist"?

Leo.

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From: Leo Duran < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=XHiAAkbBBerGUJoDcKs0z_p9LxmRSJ7fnqlwKOojBi03_vd5LDDCqSzXmNbRTGVks3KlYfZhwFAncao >
Date: Tue Oct 14, 2003 4:42pm
Subject: Re: Re: Varminter Gun Vyse

 

 

Sorry, I meant to say:
I must admit I'm curious...

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> David,
>
> I must admit tha I'm curious...
> What's an "aerohoplologist"?
>
> Leo.
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From: David Nissen Kahn < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=octLyvDjwTjcKK7YhFrbAsqXypnwzI-wTx2UVpQL8ONpoHsn_NyWeV3FEFS1MTJCQyzHsjUCPUzFtJ8FqTlG >
Date: Tue Oct 14, 2003 5:55pm
Subject: Re: Re: Varminter Gun Vyse

 

 

    Well, Leo, glad you asked.  As Tommy Smothers once said, "Words to me are a plaything."

 

    From the Greek:  "aer" = air; "oplon" or "hoplon" = tool or weapon (Alexander the Great used his Hoplite warriors [his newly invented heavy infantry shock troops] to devastating effect); "logos" = one who deals with.  Aerohoplologist: one who deals with (studies, et cetera) airarms.  Aerohoplology: the study itself.  (Compare with, say, aeroballistics.)  I also use pneumohoplology ("pneuma" = wind), but the aero- prefix is more direct and more encompassing, I think, since spring-piston guns are not really "wind" guns in the same way that precharged and single- and multistroke pneumatics are, while air (or gas, to include carbon dioxide) is the energy transfer medium in all.  Pyrohoplology, then, is the study of firearms. 

 

    Hoplology is a created word that has had at least two parallel etymologies.  Donn F. Draeger, an icon in the oriental martial arts community (see the International Hoplology Society), coined the word to compass the study of the arts and science of interpersonal combat, perhaps a slightly skewed derivation in the light of the above.  Jeff Cooper, one of the gurus of the "intellectual gunman," minted hoplophobe and hoplophobia to describe people who unreasoningly fearfully abhor guns and the aversion itself (with what seems to be dignified and obscurant derision . . . never mind its probable reality or clinical psychological significance).  They have come to be hoity-toity synonyms for antigunner and antigun sentiment on our side of the discourse.  Following Col. Cooper's lead, I constructed hoplology (in ignorance of Maj. Draeger's usage) to mean the academic discipline of weapons and weaponscraft.  My usage has acquired a following (he said modestly) in the firearms martial arts community.

 

    As I said in the first paragraph, I like words, particularly interesting ones, especially when they save using more words to say the same thing.  Further, while sometimes I can be prissy . . . or, I suppose, even affected . . . I think that any pursuit, especially ones that can attract negative attention and hostility, such as virtually anything to do with energy projection and even possible lethality, profits from having its own specialized vocabulary.  That not only makes communication clearer.  It also makes it a discipline (see . . . somehow more acceptable, more dignified, less frivolous, less playing at killing already) to the external viewer.  Shooting in general can't help but profit from that.  Marc Myers is wont to say when a discussion on one of the airgun forums becomes rancorous, "Hey, guys, it's just BB guns."  I can't disagree, but, nastiness aside, anything that costs what we spend for it somehow is more than just a BB gun. 

 

    It seems to me that, while perhaps a bit stuffy, such constructions and uses can make us more precise, more collegial and less offhand.  Of course, what we do is, as Elmer Keith once wrote of pistol twirling, "fine to do and fun to watch," good for "fun and free beer," and there is nothing wrong with enjoyment:  If it weren't fun, I certainly wouldn't do it, never mind spend my carefully conserved money on it.  But pursuing a discipline is not not fun.  And the histories of science and technology are full of examples of luckily recognized bits of information and technique that have carried over from one discipline (that word again) to another with helpful and sometimes revolutionary results.  Maybe that sort of thinking is florid overreaching--probably so--but there is as much art and science in . . . aerohoplology . . . as in any other so-called hobby.  

    

    I didn't intend to run on as I have.  So . . . take it for what it's worth.  Philology is an acquired taste, just as are green olives, and so is philosophy.  Sorry to drift afield.  Anyway, that's where the word's from.

 

                        David

                               

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From: Leo Duran

To: Whiscombe@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 9:40 AM

Subject: Re: [Whiscombe] Re: Varminter Gun Vyse

 

David,

I must admit tha I'm curious...
What's an "aerohoplologist"?

Leo.

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From: Leo Duran < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=he51gVmVXDfW31KbQhjA6fuvNLrmVzVjIJAzzFkTT0rMqyvE5dBnHmrZH3CEvDkhw5As3sBckYiufc0 >
Date: Tue Oct 14, 2003 6:08pm
Subject: Re: Re: Varminter Gun Vyse

 

 

David,

I learn something new every day, and today is no
different. Thanks for the dissertation, and keep
those fancy words coming... they sort keep us, well at
least me, on our "mental toes".

BTW, have you decided to order your Whizzer yet?

Regards,
Leo.

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From: David Nissen Kahn < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=sK4JcfU_u4bS8tGiLRz-JtGYAhKP0XyTlG9ZE7e05MxaGtpr2BfOi_F6icSGKrfrAxqOrX1bPFicXXQqL2M >
Date: Tue Oct 14, 2003 7:22pm
Subject: Re: Re: Varminter Gun Vyse

 

 

    Decided?  Absolutely: Probably (following Mr. Whiscombe's recommendations) a standard-spring JW70 for the 22, probably in the sporter stock (closer to my aesthetic), ideally with a target stock as accessory.  Plus-minus match trigger (JW and others--I think you particularly--have said that the standard trigger is, at three to four ounces in the second stage, plenty fine), since I want to use it in the field.  Since the additional price of the target trigger is  "only" ?35, I'm considering ordering it as a spare if it can be substituted readily.  While I've followed the discussion of barrel interchangeability, especially including JW's take, and while I understand it, I think thoroughly, I'm leaning strongly toward a spare with 177 bore.  The 25 is intriguing and certainly disposes of hunting power, but it seems to me that that bore is suited really only to the JW80; three cocking strokes, the last at 45 pounds of effort, are not insurmountable by any stretch of one's imagination, but the 80 strikes me as being overpowerful for "usual" applications and no plinker, nor a system readily adaptable to most games and formats one can do with a springer air rifle.  The extra barrel may offer some utility and its cost is a relatively small fraction of the total.  Of course, sling swivels are mandatory for a ten pound gun.

 

    Ordered?  Not yet?  Not until I can sell some stuff.  Got any wants?  I'll go look in the safe.  Love to do business with you.

 

    On a by-the-way note, I certainly would like it a great deal if Mr. Whiscombe would develop a demountable and substitutable captured spring system.  With that, admittedly at some cost of fiddling and presumably annoyance, one could have an additional power range available beyond what port restriction affords.  For example, buy a 70; order a set of 60 springs and appropriate restrictors:  You now have four power levels.  After all, you're already in for something like $2500 by the time you get the rifle, have it shipped over the water and put a commensurate scope on it.  Another few hundred dollars isn't a big additional fraction of the original total.  Of course, I know that most people with switch-barrel rifles don't use the feature much--it's just so much brain candy--but some do.  And riflists frequently tune their centerfire guns to shoot multiple loads for specific purposes, often pretty diverse.  I can't see that the fiddling would be a great deal more than load development and handloading.

 

    My thinking . . . yes, I know there are flaws . . . still devolves from the "it's the last airgun you'll ever need to buy" school.  It's a big expenditure, never mind that it's worth its purchase, and it's safer to err on the side of too much gear than to find out that what you picked doesn't quite do it.  Last gun I'll ever want?  Don't be silly.  Last gun I'll every need?  Probably.  Last gun I'll ever buy?  Hummm . . . the older I get, the more I'm interested in quality over quantity, and the more I realize that the "one good gun" person is validity made real.  Since I know that I shan't ever own every gun, air or fire, that I've ever wanted, I'm relaxed with a few that are special.  No doubt that I'd have more if I were a capable artisan, like many of our colleagues, instead of merely an aficionado and aesthete with too many thumbs.  But I can't do the work myself . . . I've learned the painful way . . . so I do cheerfully with many fewer and pay people to make those few the best that they can be.  Ergo, I will be helping John Whiscombe prepare for his dotage.  Ergo, I will be doing the same for Randy Bimrose, Preston Swan, Tim McMurray, Russell Best and a few other men.  As the Aussies say, "Each cat to his own rat."  I'll be spending my disposable time learning the guns I own as I learned the trumpet when I was a kid. 

 

                                Cordial regards,

 

                                David    

----- Original Message -----

From: Leo Duran

To: Whiscombe@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 11:08 AM

Subject: Re: [Whiscombe] Re: Varminter Gun Vyse

 

David,

I learn something new every day, and today is no
different.  Thanks for the dissertation, and keep
those fancy words coming... they sort keep us, well at
least me, on our "mental toes".

BTW, have you decided to order your Whizzer yet?

Regards,
Leo.

=====
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From: Leo Duran < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=DyF6ZWoTZmzdHdB5p1SIw5n9165kBplh5hUmU06pd4IAZ6C6159xcIxJl12HpXOI5J5VU5XwglGlfg >
Date: Tue Oct 14, 2003 8:05pm
Subject: Re: Re: Varminter Gun Vyse

 

 

"Ergo"... good one. "riflist", another good one.
You sure do have a way with words... and lots of them
at that. I'm gonna have start taking notes to keep up
with you... LOL.

Cheers,
Leo.

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From: Leo Duran < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=TTyN9Dhk19lj7LS5yzhUU6EQ-8RBaXOzlEKWgTYxFlrFKYz81P9-ZAWiS6Dr6AWP_Dx9T5oiZBwb >
Date: Tue Oct 14, 2003 8:07pm
Subject: Re: Re: Varminter Gun Vyse

 

 

David,
I'm just kidding... OK?
Leo.

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> "Ergo"... good one. "riflist", another good one.
> You sure do have a way with words... and lots of
> them
> at that. I'm gonna have start taking notes to keep
> up
> with you... LOL.
>
> Cheers,
> Leo.
>
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From: David Nissen Kahn < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=P3wOA-53NNKfgzoYFBNmcdaeNXHIrgUUyM87TKBpsyKDCElGzM4DH9CrwOSBBNtFycR0PbqxLeTUKzlo2w >
Date: Wed Oct 15, 2003 5:26am
Subject: Re: Re: Varminter Gun Vyse

 

 

Sure, Leo.  No harm even if you weren't.

 

                        DK

----- Original Message -----

From: Leo Duran

To: Whiscombe@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 1:07 PM

Subject: Re: [Whiscombe] Re: Varminter Gun Vyse

 

David,
I'm just kidding... OK?
Leo.

--- Leo Duran <leo_duran@yahoo.com> wrote:
> "Ergo"... good one.  "riflist", another good one.
> You sure do have a way with words... and lots of
> them
> at that.  I'm gonna have start taking notes to keep
> up
> with you... LOL.
>
> Cheers,
> Leo.
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From: Leo Duran < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=ghD0LG9tVKy9IR1lm8XdYt9WZYMRM_m7oK0_0sYrZJ9OXPwhAovHX3Ve-Bnn-4ldytyO9CU0v_PmqasNXic >
Date: Wed Oct 15, 2003 3:13pm
Subject: Re: Re: Varminter Gun Vyse

 

 

David, et al,

I haven't figured out, yet, how to get consistent
groups from a rest at 40 yards or more. John Ulrich
tells me he's got it down to a science, and we'll be
meeting at "Airgun Fun" in Dallas, on the 25th.

Frankly, I think my "HOTS" needs adjustment (.177
barrel), but before I tinker with it, I figure on
letting John show me how get he's getting his "tight"
groups. I'll report back on this.

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From: David Nissen Kahn < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=FUzXIPAJ3REgB4ZSv5Lh8HJefDjMOYJFF6JJGYeht37Vq_gbUGRZNMjlnPqkfd4uhe4VNNeqhguPpG7mPbSNqg >
Date: Wed Oct 15, 2003 3:28pm
Subject: Fw: Varminter Gun Vyse

 

 

Leo et alias,

 

    Anent Mr. Duran's note about 40 yard group work, as well as the recent discussion thread on rests, I sent this query to Mr. Whiscombe.  I have a note from the mailing system telling me that it's currently hung up somewhere without fatal errors, so I'll leave it and await JW's response.  Certainly enough, he should know how to rest his rifles for best bench performance, and what operator techniques are requisite.  But we ought to have some answers from experienced Whizzerizers.  Mr. Durham?  Others?  Thoughts, please.

 

                            David

----- Original Message -----

From: David Nissen Kahn

To: John Whiscombe

Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 9:42 AM

Subject: Fw: [Whiscombe] Varminter Gun Vyse

 

Mr. Whiscombe,

 

    At the risk of elevating my nuisance value to intolerable levels, though you have been generous enough to answer my questions before, I hope that I may intrude on your time again.  The below-copied interchange is from the Whiscombe Group e-mail discussion list today.  It would be very useful and enlightening to have your experience-based thoughts on bench technique and appropriate rests and fixtures for testing repeatability and pellet comparisons with your rifles.  I have referred to the Lahti Rifle Evaluator (c.f.  http://www.lahticompany.com/index.cfm ) as a possible device worth one's considering, if a way can be found to keep the rifle's alignment in the cradle unchanged while cocking . . . or to return it to the same position using some sort of witness.

 

    Thank you in advance for your time and your trouble.

 

                            Yours cordially,

 

                            David Nissen Kahn

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Ken Ridout

To: Whiscombe@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 8:55 AM

Subject: Re: [Whiscombe] Varminter Gun Vyse

 

I don't consider the Whiscombe "hold sensitive" as the term is applied to regular lightweight springers.  Mine shoots very accurately and consistently from a rest; but maybe not if the butt isn't pulled rather firmly into the shoulder.  I've found that compensated springers like the FWB-300S and the Whiscombe tend to like firm shoulder pressure.  i.e. my FWB-300S (if held extremely loosely)  will create a 1/4" group at 10 meters, but seems to perfectly stack pellets if held firmly.   I've attempted the same test with the Whiscombe at 30 yards, but my own shooting skills and the environment make that more difficult to be as conclusive.

Ken

At 02:41 PM 10/14/2003 +0000, you wrote:

Anyone use the variminter for a rest? I have one I use for PCP's and
its fine just wondering who the Whizzer would be Hold sensitivity and
all that Jazz,,,,,,,

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Date: Wed Oct 15, 2003 3:36pm
Subject: Re: Fw: Varminter Gun Vyse

 

 

I'd almost guess that Larry D. knows more and has tested more than anyone in the United States with this rifle.  He's probably the best source of information on how to get the best bench rest results and HOTS adjustment; maybe in the world.  I understand that he has a large windless tube for testing rifles at his ranch (kind of like John Ulrich has access to at his employment). 

The one thing that I read LD say was something like this, "be sure the rifle is supported wholly by its stock and let none of the metal cocking apparatus do any of the supporting".   To that end, I try to rest the rifle on my knuckles on either side of the cocking lever slot when shooting off-hand.

Ken

At 08:28 AM 10/15/2003 -0600, you wrote:

Leo et alias,
 
    Anent Mr. Duran's note about 40 yard group work, as well as the recent discussion thread on rests, I sent this query to Mr. Whiscombe.  I have a note from the mailing system telling me that it's currently hung up somewhere without fatal errors, so I'll leave it and await JW's response.  Certainly enough, he should know how to rest his rifles for best bench performance, and what operator techniques are requisite.  But we ought to have some answers from experienced Whizzerizers.  Mr. Durham?  Others?  Thoughts, please.
 
                            David
----- Original Message -----
From: David Nissen Kahn
To: John Whiscombe
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 9:42 AM
Subject: Fw: [Whiscombe] Varminter Gun Vyse

Mr. Whiscombe,
 
    At the risk of elevating my nuisance value to intolerable levels, though you have been generous enough to answer my questions before, I hope that I may intrude on your time again.  The below-copied interchange is from the Whiscombe Group e-mail discussion list today.  It would be very useful and enlightening to have your experience-based thoughts on bench technique and appropriate rests and fixtures for testing repeatability and pellet comparisons with your rifles.  I have referred to the Lahti Rifle Evaluator (c.f.  http://www.lahticompany.com/index.cfm ) as a possible device worth one's considering, if a way can be found to keep the rifle's alignment in the cradle unchanged while cocking . . . or to return it to the same position using some sort of witness.
 
    Thank you in advance for your time and your trouble.
 
                            Yours cordially,
 
                            David Nissen Kahn
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Ken Ridout
To: Whiscombe@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 8:55 AM
Subject: Re: [Whiscombe] Varminter Gun Vyse

I don't consider the Whiscombe "hold sensitive" as the term is applied to regular lightweight springers.  Mine shoots very accurately and consistently from a rest; but maybe not if the butt isn't pulled rather firmly into the shoulder.  I've found that compensated springers like the FWB-300S and the Whiscombe tend to like firm shoulder pressure.  i.e. my FWB-300S (if held extremely loosely)  will create a 1/4" group at 10 meters, but seems to perfectly stack pellets if held firmly.   I've attempted the same test with the Whiscombe at 30 yards, but my own shooting skills and the environment make that more difficult to be as conclusive.

Ken

At 02:41 PM 10/14/2003 +0000, you wrote:

Anyone use the variminter for a rest? I have one I use for PCP's and
its fine just wondering who the Whizzer would be Hold sensitivity and
all that Jazz,,,,,,,

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From: David Nissen Kahn < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=f9Hxj4K6Afuj0-JfoLFlgFmTqy0lXMDYtXbtM_hQ8bgJoklGdiAsCSdmACt1RAD9RO9u0d9m-C72Nfug2bA_ >
Date: Thu Oct 16, 2003 1:22am
Subject: Fw: Varminter Gun Vyse

 

 

Ladies and Gentlemen:

 

        From Mr. Whiscombe on rest shooting . . . not what I'd hoped, perhaps, but interesting.  How about some thoughts from Mr. Durham?

 

                                David

 

----- Original Message -----

From: John Whiscombe

To: David Nissen Kahn

Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 3:22 PM

Subject: Re: [Whiscombe] Varminter Gun Vyse

 

David,

I received both of your emails on the 15th. I personally haven't had much experience of bench resting, I don't think that it is quite as popular over here although there are some devotees. More popular is the growing use of bipods. Speaking from my own benching .I do tend to agree with Ken that a firm hold into the shoulder is beneficial. I test my guns as in F.T. position as I find that this kills 2 birds with one stone as it were. It may be a subjective testing, but I have been at it long enough to know whether it is me or the gun which is or not shooting well. It also helps to keep my eye in for hunting and FT.

John W.Original Message -----

From: David Nissen Kahn

To: John Whiscombe

Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 4:42 PM

Subject: Fw: [Whiscombe] Varminter Gun Vyse

 

Mr. Whiscombe,

 

    At the risk of elevating my nuisance value to intolerable levels, though you have been generous enough to answer my questions before, I hope that I may intrude on your time again.  The below-copied interchange is from the Whiscombe Group e-mail discussion list today.  It would be very useful and enlightening to have your experience-based thoughts on bench technique and appropriate rests and fixtures for testing repeatability and pellet comparisons with your rifles.  I have referred to the Lahti Rifle Evaluator (c.f.  http://www.lahticompany.com/index.cfm ) as a possible device worth one's considering, if a way can be found to keep the rifle's alignment in the cradle unchanged while cocking . . . or to return it to the same position using some sort of witness.

 

    Thank you in advance for your time and your trouble.

 

                            Yours cordially,

 

                            David Nissen Kahn

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Ken Ridout

To: Whiscombe@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 8:55 AM

Subject: Re: [Whiscombe] Varminter Gun Vyse

 

I don't consider the Whiscombe "hold sensitive" as the term is applied to regular lightweight springers.  Mine shoots very accurately and consistently from a rest; but maybe not if the butt isn't pulled rather firmly into the shoulder.  I've found that compensated springers like the FWB-300S and the Whiscombe tend to like firm shoulder pressure.  i.e. my FWB-300S (if held extremely loosely)  will create a 1/4" group at 10 meters, but seems to perfectly stack pellets if held firmly.   I've attempted the same test with the Whiscombe at 30 yards, but my own shooting skills and the environment make that more difficult to be as conclusive.

Ken

At 02:41 PM 10/14/2003 +0000, you wrote:

Anyone use the variminter for a rest? I have one I use for PCP's and
its fine just wondering who the Whizzer would be Hold sensitivity and
all that Jazz,,,,,,,

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From: Lawrence H Durham < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=5XnvwF2J5_k2I8NkxmNJeivk9mqXA3kHeOVK7fKWgE9ZXth4rosTbpMH-0wtuE230bG3LLRniAwQOA >
Date: Wed Oct 22, 2003 7:09pm
Subject: Re: Fw: Varminter Gun Vyse

 

 

Hi all,

 

Just returned from over a week of fishing and camping in Baja Sur.

 

re Whiscombe benching:

 

A few months ago i did fair in a BR25 type benchrest match using my JW60MKII in .177 with lubed Premier 10.5gr pellets at around 875fps.

 

I used a FT type fanny pad as a cushion to rest the rifle, along with a large block of wood under it to get the height about right ...

had a borrowed leather rabbit-ear type rear rest and used squeeze technique for elev control.   It IS a problem with dismounting the gun for each shot and the cocking takes its toll over a 100 shot match (i noticed my best efforts were in the middle part of the match, once i got the hang of wind doping, but before i got a little fatigued from lifting and cocking the gun, which is more awkward when seated at the bench).  I was shooting from around 26yds in swirling breezes that required holdoff of up to 3/4" ... but with no wind, it wasn't too difficult to keep the show inside the half inch circles of the target.

 

I use very light shoulder and cheek pressure and squeeze trigger with thumb on top of stock wrist.  A spirit level is a good aid as well.  I find use of a pillow under the "shooting hand" forearm and elbow to keep it up off the bench at a good height is a big aid to comfortable shooting from a bench.

 

ld

 

On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 08:28:14 -0600 "David Nissen Kahn" <riflist@mindspring.com> writes:

Leo et alias,

 

    Anent Mr. Duran's note about 40 yard group work, as well as the recent discussion thread on rests, I sent this query to Mr. Whiscombe.  I have a note from the mailing system telling me that it's currently hung up somewhere without fatal errors, so I'll leave it and await JW's response.  Certainly enough, he should know how to rest his rifles for best bench performance, and what operator techniques are requisite.  But we ought to have some answers from experienced Whizzerizers.  Mr. Durham?  Others?  Thoughts, please.

 

                            David

----- Original Message -----

From: David Nissen Kahn

To: John Whiscombe

Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 9:42 AM

Subject: Fw: [Whiscombe] Varminter Gun Vyse

 

Mr. Whiscombe,

 

    At the risk of elevating my nuisance value to intolerable levels, though you have been generous enough to answer my questions before, I hope that I may intrude on your time again.  The below-copied interchange is from the Whiscombe Group e-mail discussion list today.  It would be very useful and enlightening to have your experience-based thoughts on bench technique and appropriate rests and fixtures for testing repeatability and pellet comparisons with your rifles.  I have referred to the Lahti Rifle Evaluator (c.f.  http://www.lahticompany.com/index.cfm ) as a possible device worth one's considering, if a way can be found to keep the rifle's alignment in the cradle unchanged while cocking . . . or to return it to the same position using some sort of witness.

 

    Thank you in advance for your time and your trouble.

 

                            Yours cordially,

 

                            David Nissen Kahn

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Ken Ridout

To: Whiscombe@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 8:55 AM

Subject: Re: [Whiscombe] Varminter Gun Vyse

 

I don't consider the Whiscombe "hold sensitive" as the term is applied to regular lightweight springers.  Mine shoots very accurately and consistently from a rest; but maybe not if the butt isn't pulled rather firmly into the shoulder.  I've found that compensated springers like the FWB-300S and the Whiscombe tend to like firm shoulder pressure.  i.e. my FWB-300S (if held extremely loosely)  will create a 1/4" group at 10 meters, but seems to perfectly stack pellets if held firmly.   I've attempted the same test with the Whiscombe at 30 yards, but my own shooting skills and the environment make that more difficult to be as conclusive.

Ken

At 02:41 PM 10/14/2003 +0000, you wrote:

Anyone use the variminter for a rest? I have one I use for PCP's and
its fine just wondering who the Whizzer would be Hold sensitivity and
all that Jazz,,,,,,,

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From: Lawrence H Durham < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=8mHbve6N23h1J6AkafYG_JfM8e_cjdItJQ9R71J7QUoBI5OnK-oocmBB5nF0Bg1DhkB1adT9GnIc52GaVg >
Date: Wed Oct 22, 2003 7:09pm
Subject: Re: Fw: Varminter Gun Vyse

 

 

Hi all,

 

Just returned from over a week of fishing and camping in Baja Sur.

 

re Whiscombe benching:

 

A few months ago i did fair in a BR25 type benchrest match using my JW60MKII in .177 with lubed Premier 10.5gr pellets at around 875fps.

 

I used a FT type fanny pad as a cushion to rest the rifle, along with a large block of wood under it to get the height about right ...

had a borrowed leather rabbit-ear type rear rest and used squeeze technique for elev control.   It IS a problem with dismounting the gun for each shot and the cocking takes its toll over a 100 shot match (i noticed my best efforts were in the middle part of the match, once i got the hang of wind doping, but before i got a little fatigued from lifting and cocking the gun, which is more awkward when seated at the bench).  I was shooting from around 26yds in swirling breezes that required holdoff of up to 3/4" ... but with no wind, it wasn't too difficult to keep the show inside the half inch circles of the target.

 

I use very light shoulder and cheek pressure and squeeze trigger with thumb on top of stock wrist.  A spirit level is a good aid as well.  I find use of a pillow under the "shooting hand" forearm and elbow to keep it up off the bench at a good height is a big aid to comfortable shooting from a bench.

 

ld

 

On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 08:28:14 -0600 "David Nissen Kahn" <riflist@mindspring.com> writes:

Leo et alias,

 

    Anent Mr. Duran's note about 40 yard group work, as well as the recent discussion thread on rests, I sent this query to Mr. Whiscombe.  I have a note from the mailing system telling me that it's currently hung up somewhere without fatal errors, so I'll leave it and await JW's response.  Certainly enough, he should know how to rest his rifles for best bench performance, and what operator techniques are requisite.  But we ought to have some answers from experienced Whizzerizers.  Mr. Durham?  Others?  Thoughts, please.

 

                            David

----- Original Message -----

From: David Nissen Kahn

To: John Whiscombe

Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 9:42 AM

Subject: Fw: [Whiscombe] Varminter Gun Vyse

 

Mr. Whiscombe,

 

    At the risk of elevating my nuisance value to intolerable levels, though you have been generous enough to answer my questions before, I hope that I may intrude on your time again.  The below-copied interchange is from the Whiscombe Group e-mail discussion list today.  It would be very useful and enlightening to have your experience-based thoughts on bench technique and appropriate rests and fixtures for testing repeatability and pellet comparisons with your rifles.  I have referred to the Lahti Rifle Evaluator (c.f.  http://www.lahticompany.com/index.cfm ) as a possible device worth one's considering, if a way can be found to keep the rifle's alignment in the cradle unchanged while cocking . . . or to return it to the same position using some sort of witness.

 

    Thank you in advance for your time and your trouble.

 

                            Yours cordially,

 

                            David Nissen Kahn

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Ken Ridout

To: Whiscombe@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 8:55 AM

Subject: Re: [Whiscombe] Varminter Gun Vyse

 

I don't consider the Whiscombe "hold sensitive" as the term is applied to regular lightweight springers.  Mine shoots very accurately and consistently from a rest; but maybe not if the butt isn't pulled rather firmly into the shoulder.  I've found that compensated springers like the FWB-300S and the Whiscombe tend to like firm shoulder pressure.  i.e. my FWB-300S (if held extremely loosely)  will create a 1/4" group at 10 meters, but seems to perfectly stack pellets if held firmly.   I've attempted the same test with the Whiscombe at 30 yards, but my own shooting skills and the environment make that more difficult to be as conclusive.

Ken

At 02:41 PM 10/14/2003 +0000, you wrote:

Anyone use the variminter for a rest? I have one I use for PCP's and
its fine just wondering who the Whizzer would be Hold sensitivity and
all that Jazz,,,,,,,

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From: "David Nissen Kahn" <riflist@...>
Date: Tue Nov 4, 2003 7:30pm
Subject: Purchase Follow-Up

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Thanks to John and Ken for their responses to my query. And some other
questions.

I have heard through an airgun writer friend of a fellow who has a
Whiscombe rifle (I think that it's a JW50, since he uses it for piston class
FT), age 18 to 24 months ?, who has had some mechanical problems, nature not
specified. He has returned it to Mr. Whiscombe for
repairs/adjustments/tuning. Has anyone hereabouts had problems? If so,
what were they? How has the return service and follow-up been handled? I
should assume that it has been well done, but that's based on my reading of
Mr. Whiscombe from written stuff and good repute. Is there enough
literature provided with his rifles that one can do basic work oneself?

And that brings a follow-on query. Is there anyone on this continent
who can/does work on JW rifles? Mr. Whiscombe says that, with his lubricant
reservoir, the guns are self-contained and need no service beyond routine
cleaning for as many as 30K discharges. Now that's a lotta shots, but the
guns are eminently shootable and the pellets cheap, and loosing that many
over a period of several years is hardly inconceivable, though certainly
dedicated. What happens then? A trip over the water in the big white
airplane with the orange and blue trim? As well, JW will retire one of
these years; a correspondent on this list says that he's heard that it may
be next year; he's been building rifles for approaching a quarter century,
after all. What happens to follow-up when he does hang up his apron? If
naught else, what about parts . . . since anything can break?

I've not heard of much in the way of problems with Whiscombe rifles of
any series . . . but the questions do bear their being asked.

David

 

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From: Ken Ridout <ken@...>
Date: Fri Oct 31, 2003 8:08pm
Subject: Re: Current delivery times?

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That's about what you can expect, I believe; but I'd tack on an extra couple of months so you don't go crazy with anticipation at about 5 months, 4 weeks, and 6 days.

A year or more ago I waited eight months before it arrived.  I had planned on one year; and was pleasantly surprised when he emailed that it was finished and he was ready for the final payment. 

Ken

At 07:53 PM 10/31/2003 +0000, you wrote:

Hi all,
 
I am new to the group.

I've been involved with air rifles for about 2 years now but only
semi-seriously the past year when I joined the Airgunning Atlanta
club in January. Currently I own an R9, TX200, S200, CRX, and
recently picked up a nice 12 ft-lb custom AA 100. I enjoy FT but have
little time to practice and am not very good. Hopefully the business
travel will slow down enough for me to be able to practice between
matches next year.

Anyway, I finally couldn't stand it any longer and about a month ago
sent my deposit to JW for a JW-60. He notified me that he received
the order but didn't provide an estimated delivery date. He had
mentioned before that it would be about 6 months. I was wondering if
that is about what I should expect or may it be a little longer?
 
Thanks, Greg

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Date: Fri Oct 31, 2003 7:53pm
Subject: Current delivery times?

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Hi all,

I am new to the group.

I've been involved with air rifles for about 2 years now but only
semi-seriously the past year when I joined the Airgunning Atlanta
club in January. Currently I own an R9, TX200, S200, CRX, and
recently picked up a nice 12 ft-lb custom AA 100. I enjoy FT but have
little time to practice and am not very good. Hopefully the business
travel will slow down enough for me to be able to practice between
matches next year.

Anyway, I finally couldn't stand it any longer and about a month ago
sent my deposit to JW for a JW-60. He notified me that he received
the order but didn't provide an estimated delivery date. He had
mentioned before that it would be about 6 months. I was wondering if
that is about what I should expect or may it be a little longer?

Thanks, Greg

 

229

From: "David Nissen Kahn" <riflist@...>
Date: Fri Oct 31, 2003 4:27pm
Subject: ISP

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Colleagues,

A thought has crept into my little forebrain, its way eased by the
atmosphere of fine pellet rifle connoisseurship and unashamed aestheticism
that permeates this group. Does anyone hereabouts have first-hand
experience with an ISP precharged rifle? While PCPs are admittedly outside
the stated purview of the Whiscombe Group, surely, I'm not certain where one
would be likely to encounter an airriflist with the turn of mine to be
interested.

Simply curious . . . . They seem like very nifty pieces of work from
their portrayals on the web site.

David

 

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From: "JONATHAN ULRICH" <sgtjohn_1@...>
Date: Fri Oct 31, 2003 3:27am
Subject: Re: Purchase Advice

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David,

 

The 65's were updated and designated 70's. I opted for the soft spring and John W adjusted the HOTS for CPLs. I found that mine prefers the pellets lubed and sized. It averages right around 1000 fps (17.5 PFE) with extreme spread of less that 10 fps for 10 shot groups.

 

I recently ordered an identical rifle except for caliber....22...If it shoots as well as the .177, I'll be ecstatic...

 

John U

----- Original Message -----

From: Ken

To: Whiscombe@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 8:52 PM

Subject: Re: [Whiscombe] Purchase Advice

 

David,
At Autumn Airgun Fun, John Ulrich brought both of his Whiscombes.  I must say, the 50 (or is a '60'?) was very easy to cock . . .much more so than my 65. 

My JW 65 shoots real hard.  Like around 1,100 fps with Exacts and CPLs (.177).  With his new soft-spring 60, it might bring that down to around 900 and heavies down to about 750 - 800.  If so, then you might think about the softer spring model; simply for the ease of cocking.  If you're going with .22 caliber, then the -65 would probably be the best choice. 

I like my match trigger; but LD has commented that Whiscombe's regular trigger is superb; and that maybe purchasing the optional match trigger doesn't give that much more value.

I suggest a Leupold 6.5-24X scope.  A fine rifle deserves a fine scope.  OR, the Bushnell Rainguard 8-32X scope is also a very good scope for the gun.

Ken

At 06:07 PM 10/30/2003 -0700, you wrote:

Gentlemen . . . and of course Ladies.

    After considerable juggling, making a number of heartrending decisions
about long-owned guns, and general soul searching, I am soon to consummate
my lust by ordering an icon of spring-piston precision and artisanship.  The
thread I'm starting here may have been duplicated by others in the dim
recesses of the past, but, that stipulated, the experienced amongst us may
have rethought and re-evaluated their decisions since it came up last.  And,
additionally, the flow of talk has not been a flood lately.

    Nothing is graven upon stone, but, for the obvious reasons this is quite
likely to be the last Whiscombe product I'll buy.

    So . . . what advice, suggestions, warnings, admonitions would you offer
to me?  My current thinking runs thus.  I'm leaning toward a JW65FB, with
the brief being generality of application.  There is no FT where I live,
nor, so far as I can discern, any silhouette shooting.  I do hunt.  I like
minisniping.  And I have a big enough place that I can plink on my property
with safety if I'm sensible.  I don't know what sorts of airgunnery may
become available hereabouts in the future.  I pick the 65 owing to my
thinking that for general use the 80 is overpowerful and could be a bear to
cock . . . I plan to shoot my gun through big lots of pellets, and quite a
number at any one sitting . . . and the 50 is a little underpowered for
versatility, though I realize that the British do a great many things quite
well with 11.5 fp of muzzle energy.  I will ask Mr. Whiscombe for a port
restrictor to drop the gun to sub-FAC power for situations where that may be
required, though I am confident that I'll do virtually all of my shooting
without it.  How's my reasoning so far?  I am intrigued by the comments from
various writers about a "soft-spring" 65; I suppose I don't know exactly
what that is and where it fits in the pantheon:  Discussion?

    While I liked the CS800 thumbhole stock that Ken Ridout's little girl
was wearing when I danced with her, I am taken with the trim appearance of
the sporter stock as shown in the photographs section of Mr. Whiscombe's
website, especially with its relative ambidexterity, so I'll order it with
that . . . though if the money holds out I will consider ordering a target
stock in addition.  Opinions about the two and their comparison?  I've never
touched the sporter stock.  (Mr. Whiscombe says that he uses the sporter
stock for all his hunting and general work, the target only for FT.)  Oh,
yes . . . are there other stocks I should consider, though I suppose that
they'd be special order items.

    Several correspondents have said that the standard trigger is so nice
that they are uncertain what the target version adds that is useful.  Having
experienced the target trigger in Ken's gun, I suppose that I can scale back
a few per cent mentally and imagine the standard . . . it should be pretty
fine in itself . . . but I've never had my finger on one.  I don't know.
Ken's target trigger was as close to telekinesis as I've ever been.  Any
thoughts?  I may consider stretching the wallet and the already tight-drawn
tolerance of my partner and order both, for study if for nothing else.
Thoughts?

    I read, processed and retained the discussion of caliber/barrel choices
that occurred here a bit ago.  I'm still leaning toward 22 as my primary . .
. but I do like 177 . . . and I may get both, though I recall that Ken has a
second 20 that has never been in the receiver of his 177.  As JW has said,
177 for Britain, 22 for USA.  Thoughts?  JW says he no longer even offers
the 20, and I should think that the 25 really requires 80 energy levels to
bring it into its own.

    Finally, the gun will need a tube with glass in it to sit atop the
receiver.  Thoughts on mounts and scopes?  I lean toward the Leupold 6-20x
with a mil-dot reticle as befitting and matching the quality of the airgun
itself . . . but I see good things written and hear good things said about
the Deben Hawke DX series (which Scott Illingworth is now distributing in
North America).  Any really good glass I'm not thinking about?

    Hoping for enlightenment, the grasshopper awaits words of the masters.
Of course, I'll talk with Mr. Whiscombe before I utter a checque in pounds
sterling.  And thanks . . . .

                                David

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From: Ken <ken@...>
Date: Fri Oct 31, 2003 2:52am
Subject: Re: Purchase Advice

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David,
At Autumn Airgun Fun, John Ulrich brought both of his Whiscombes.  I must say, the 50 (or is a '60'?) was very easy to cock . . .much more so than my 65. 

My JW 65 shoots real hard.  Like around 1,100 fps with Exacts and CPLs (.177).  With his new soft-spring 60, it might bring that down to around 900 and heavies down to about 750 - 800.  If so, then you might think about the softer spring model; simply for the ease of cocking.  If you're going with .22 caliber, then the -65 would probably be the best choice. 

I like my match trigger; but LD has commented that Whiscombe's regular trigger is superb; and that maybe purchasing the optional match trigger doesn't give that much more value.

I suggest a Leupold 6.5-24X scope.  A fine rifle deserves a fine scope.  OR, the Bushnell Rainguard 8-32X scope is also a very good scope for the gun.

Ken

At 06:07 PM 10/30/2003 -0700, you wrote:

Gentlemen . . . and of course Ladies.

    After considerable juggling, making a number of heartrending decisions
about long-owned guns, and general soul searching, I am soon to consummate
my lust by ordering an icon of spring-piston precision and artisanship.  The
thread I'm starting here may have been duplicated by others in the dim
recesses of the past, but, that stipulated, the experienced amongst us may
have rethought and re-evaluated their decisions since it came up last.  And,
additionally, the flow of talk has not been a flood lately.

    Nothing is graven upon stone, but, for the obvious reasons this is quite
likely to be the last Whiscombe product I'll buy.

    So . . . what advice, suggestions, warnings, admonitions would you offer
to me?  My current thinking runs thus.  I'm leaning toward a JW65FB, with
the brief being generality of application.  There is no FT where I live,
nor, so far as I can discern, any silhouette shooting.  I do hunt.  I like
minisniping.  And I have a big enough place that I can plink on my property
with safety if I'm sensible.  I don't know what sorts of airgunnery may
become available hereabouts in the future.  I pick the 65 owing to my
thinking that for general use the 80 is overpowerful and could be a bear to
cock . . . I plan to shoot my gun through big lots of pellets, and quite a
number at any one sitting . . . and the 50 is a little underpowered for
versatility, though I realize that the British do a great many things quite
well with 11.5 fp of muzzle energy.  I will ask Mr. Whiscombe for a port
restrictor to drop the gun to sub-FAC power for situations where that may be
required, though I am confident that I'll do virtually all of my shooting
without it.  How's my reasoning so far?  I am intrigued by the comments from
various writers about a "soft-spring" 65; I suppose I don't know exactly
what that is and where it fits in the pantheon:  Discussion?

    While I liked the CS800 thumbhole stock that Ken Ridout's little girl
was wearing when I danced with her, I am taken with the trim appearance of
the sporter stock as shown in the photographs section of Mr. Whiscombe's
website, especially with its relative ambidexterity, so I'll order it with
that . . . though if the money holds out I will consider ordering a target
stock in addition.  Opinions about the two and their comparison?  I've never
touched the sporter stock.  (Mr. Whiscombe says that he uses the sporter
stock for all his hunting and general work, the target only for FT.)  Oh,
yes . . . are there other stocks I should consider, though I suppose that
they'd be special order items.

    Several correspondents have said that the standard trigger is so nice
that they are uncertain what the target version adds that is useful.  Having
experienced the target trigger in Ken's gun, I suppose that I can scale back
a few per cent mentally and imagine the standard . . . it should be pretty
fine in itself . . . but I've never had my finger on one.  I don't know.
Ken's target trigger was as close to telekinesis as I've ever been.  Any
thoughts?  I may consider stretching the wallet and the already tight-drawn
tolerance of my partner and order both, for study if for nothing else.
Thoughts?

    I read, processed and retained the discussion of caliber/barrel choices
that occurred here a bit ago.  I'm still leaning toward 22 as my primary . .
. but I do like 177 . . . and I may get both, though I recall that Ken has a
second 20 that has never been in the receiver of his 177.  As JW has said,
177 for Britain, 22 for USA.  Thoughts?  JW says he no longer even offers
the 20, and I should think that the 25 really requires 80 energy levels to
bring it into its own.

    Finally, the gun will need a tube with glass in it to sit atop the
receiver.  Thoughts on mounts and scopes?  I lean toward the Leupold 6-20x
with a mil-dot reticle as befitting and matching the quality of the airgun
itself . . . but I see good things written and hear good things said about
the Deben Hawke DX series (which Scott Illingworth is now distributing in
North America).  Any really good glass I'm not thinking about?

    Hoping for enlightenment, the grasshopper awaits words of the masters.
Of course, I'll talk with Mr. Whiscombe before I utter a checque in pounds
sterling.  And thanks . . . .

                                David

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From: "David Nissen Kahn" <riflist@...>
Date: Fri Oct 31, 2003 1:08am
Subject: Purchase Advice, Redux

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And, of course, I'd love to hear of a used gun on offer . . . but that
doesn't happen often.

David

 

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From: "David Nissen Kahn" <riflist@...>
Date: Fri Oct 31, 2003 1:07am
Subject: Purchase Advice

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Gentlemen . . . and of course Ladies.

After considerable juggling, making a number of heartrending decisions
about long-owned guns, and general soul searching, I am soon to consummate
my lust by ordering an icon of spring-piston precision and artisanship. The
thread I'm starting here may have been duplicated by others in the dim
recesses of the past, but, that stipulated, the experienced amongst us may
have rethought and re-evaluated their decisions since it came up last. And,
additionally, the flow of talk has not been a flood lately.

Nothing is graven upon stone, but, for the obvious reasons this is quite
likely to be the last Whiscombe product I'll buy.

So . . . what advice, suggestions, warnings, admonitions would you offer
to me? My current thinking runs thus. I'm leaning toward a JW65FB, with
the brief being generality of application. There is no FT where I live,
nor, so far as I can discern, any silhouette shooting. I do hunt. I like
minisniping. And I have a big enough place that I can plink on my property
with safety if I'm sensible. I don't know what sorts of airgunnery may
become available hereabouts in the future. I pick the 65 owing to my
thinking that for general use the 80 is overpowerful and could be a bear to
cock . . . I plan to shoot my gun through big lots of pellets, and quite a
number at any one sitting . . . and the 50 is a little underpowered for
versatility, though I realize that the British do a great many things quite
well with 11.5 fp of muzzle energy. I will ask Mr. Whiscombe for a port
restrictor to drop the gun to sub-FAC power for situations where that may be
required, though I am confident that I'll do virtually all of my shooting
without it. How's my reasoning so far? I am intrigued by the comments from
various writers about a "soft-spring" 65; I suppose I don't know exactly
what that is and where it fits in the pantheon: Discussion?

While I liked the CS800 thumbhole stock that Ken Ridout's little girl
was wearing when I danced with her, I am taken with the trim appearance of
the sporter stock as shown in the photographs section of Mr. Whiscombe's
website, especially with its relative ambidexterity, so I'll order it with
that . . . though if the money holds out I will consider ordering a target
stock in addition. Opinions about the two and their comparison? I've never
touched the sporter stock. (Mr. Whiscombe says that he uses the sporter
stock for all his hunting and general work, the target only for FT.) Oh,
yes . . . are there other stocks I should consider, though I suppose that
they'd be special order items.

Several correspondents have said that the standard trigger is so nice
that they are uncertain what the target version adds that is useful. Having
experienced the target trigger in Ken's gun, I suppose that I can scale back
a few per cent mentally and imagine the standard . . . it should be pretty
fine in itself . . . but I've never had my finger on one. I don't know.
Ken's target trigger was as close to telekinesis as I've ever been. Any
thoughts? I may consider stretching the wallet and the already tight-drawn
tolerance of my partner and order both, for study if for nothing else.
Thoughts?

I read, processed and retained the discussion of caliber/barrel choices
that occurred here a bit ago. I'm still leaning toward 22 as my primary . .
. but I do like 177 . . . and I may get both, though I recall that Ken has a
second 20 that has never been in the receiver of his 177. As JW has said,
177 for Britain, 22 for USA. Thoughts? JW says he no longer even offers
the 20, and I should think that the 25 really requires 80 energy levels to
bring it into its own.

Finally, the gun will need a tube with glass in it to sit atop the
receiver. Thoughts on mounts and scopes? I lean toward the Leupold 6-20x
with a mil-dot reticle as befitting and matching the quality of the airgun
itself . . . but I see good things written and hear good things said about
the Deben Hawke DX series (which Scott Illingworth is now distributing in
North America). Any really good glass I'm not thinking about?

Hoping for enlightenment, the grasshopper awaits words of the masters.
Of course, I'll talk with Mr. Whiscombe before I utter a checque in pounds
sterling. And thanks . . . .

David

 

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From: "David Nissen Kahn" <riflist@...>
Date: Tue Oct 28, 2003 3:58pm
Subject: Re: Re: Purchased today...

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GTB,

 

    Go to Mr. Whiscombe's website.  In the photos section there is one of three rifles standing on their butts against a gray wall.  The middle one appears to be a break barrel; in the enlargement of the thumbnail, the breach lock is visible.  All are in sporter stocks, but I should bet that one of the CS800 thumbhole target ones could be fitted (though I must say that the sporter stocks make these rather bulky guns look pretty trim).

 

                                David

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From: Gaines Blackwell

To: Whiscombe@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 8:58 AM

Subject: Re: [Whiscombe] Re: Purchased today...

 

Can anyone post a picture of a JW MK 1 break barrel ? Anyone know any specifications on them?

 

Thanks in advance,

Gaines Blackwell

----- Original Message -----

From: JONATHAN ULRICH

To: Whiscombe@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 6:37 PM

Subject: Re: [Whiscombe] Re: Purchased today...

 

Gaines,

 

When you do find it and if it is across the pond, recommend you have it shipped to John W. for a check-up. The service is inexpensive and well worth the peace of mind.

 

Very best my friend...John

----- Original Message -----

From: Gaines Blackwell

To: Whiscombe@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 6:14 PM

Subject: Re: [Whiscombe] Re: Purchased today...

 

Guys, I haven't bought an airgun in nearly a year and had not planned to buy anymore period but the Whiscombe bug has bitten me. I would be very interested in buying a Mk 1 break barrel in .17 or .20....right hand. I actually like guns that show honest use but care as well. Worn blue, pressure marks do not bother me at all. I know this is a needle in a haystack hunt but I have found a HW 55CM and a like new FWB300S RT thumbhold as well as  similar Mini so hunting for guns is fun to me. Would appreciate any help or opportunity and will crank up my on search as well.

 

Best regards,

Gaines Blackwell----- Original Message -----

From: Gaines Blackwell

To: Whiscombe@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 5:06 PM

Subject: Re: [Whiscombe] Re: Purchased today...

 

Jon, that sounds like my dream gun! I would love to have a breakbarrel JW and really would prefer a steel receiver. I am right handed however. If one pops up I would end my buying moratorium to buy it. I have Original 65 and 66's that are the inspiration for the early JW's but without the punch. Do you live in Yorkshire? Has to be as beautiful a part of England as exist. I will have to go and get my Barbour coat just for the memories!!! I really like Yorkshire and Northumbria..

 

Gaines

 

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: jontalbot333

To: Whiscombe@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 3:24 PM

Subject: [Whiscombe] Re: Purchased today...

 

Thanks Gaines,

I've only seen a photograph so far - I bought it from someone on
airgunbbs.com It's a left handed break barrel with a walnut
thumbhole stock with stippled contact areas. It looks very similiar
to a rifle I have seen on here - a mk1 no 0049 which was bought from
a shop here in Yorkshire, UK. I was told that numbers 1 - 50 had
steel and aluminium actions whereas 51 onwards had all steel
actions. I will post some pictures here when it arrives.

Regards, Jon.
--- In Whiscombe@yahoogroups.com, "Gaines Blackwell"
wrote:
> Jon, can you give a description of the Mk 1? Sounds terrific,
where dod you find it?.....
> Gaines Blackwell
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: jontalbot333
>   To: Whiscombe@yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 11:43 AM
>   Subject: [Whiscombe] Purchased today...
>
>
>   a mk1 rifle in .177. I'm told this is an all steel action and
that
>   it was made in 1990. John Whiscombe told me that it was supplied
>   with a .22 and a .177 barrel origionally so I guess that there
is
>   a .22 barrel somewhere out there. The stock has been refinished
but
>   the action is origional. I currently have a TX200SR in .22 so
I'm
>   looking forward to comparing the two. I've never used a
Whiscombe so
>   would appreciate any tips on cocking and firing - I understand
that
>   they need to be done in a certain order but I can't remember
what
>   is.
>
>
>
>   Regards, Jon.
>
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From: "Gaines Blackwell" <gtblackwell@...>
Date: Tue Oct 28, 2003 3:58pm
Subject: Re: Re: Purchased today...

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Can anyone post a picture of a JW MK 1 break barrel ? Anyone know any specifications on them?

 

Thanks in advance,

Gaines Blackwell

----- Original Message -----

From: JONATHAN ULRICH

To: Whiscombe@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 6:37 PM

Subject: Re: [Whiscombe] Re: Purchased today...

 

Gaines,

 

When you do find it and if it is across the pond, recommend you have it shipped to John W. for a check-up. The service is inexpensive and well worth the peace of mind.

 

Very best my friend...John

----- Original Message -----

From: Gaines Blackwell

To: Whiscombe@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 6:14 PM

Subject: Re: [Whiscombe] Re: Purchased today...

 

Guys, I haven't bought an airgun in nearly a year and had not planned to buy anymore period but the Whiscombe bug has bitten me. I would be very interested in buying a Mk 1 break barrel in .17 or .20....right hand. I actually like guns that show honest use but care as well. Worn blue, pressure marks do not bother me at all. I know this is a needle in a haystack hunt but I have found a HW 55CM and a like new FWB300S RT thumbhold as well as  similar Mini so hunting for guns is fun to me. Would appreciate any help or opportunity and will crank up my on search as well.

 

Best regards,

Gaines Blackwell----- Original Message -----

From: Gaines Blackwell

To: Whiscombe@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 5:06 PM

Subject: Re: [Whiscombe] Re: Purchased today...

 

Jon, that sounds like my dream gun! I would love to have a breakbarrel JW and really would prefer a steel receiver. I am right handed however. If one pops up I would end my buying moratorium to buy it. I have Original 65 and 66's that are the inspiration for the early JW's but without the punch. Do you live in Yorkshire? Has to be as beautiful a part of England as exist. I will have to go and get my Barbour coat just for the memories!!! I really like Yorkshire and Northumbria..

 

Gaines

 

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: jontalbot333

To: Whiscombe@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 3:24 PM

Subject: [Whiscombe] Re: Purchased today...

 

Thanks Gaines,

I've only seen a photograph so far - I bought it from someone on
airgunbbs.com It's a left handed break barrel with a walnut
thumbhole stock with stippled contact areas. It looks very similiar
to a rifle I have seen on here - a mk1 no 0049 which was bought from
a shop here in Yorkshire, UK. I was told that numbers 1 - 50 had
steel and aluminium actions whereas 51 onwards had all steel
actions. I will post some pictures here when it arrives.

Regards, Jon.
--- In Whiscombe@yahoogroups.com, "Gaines Blackwell"
wrote:
> Jon, can you give a description of the Mk 1? Sounds terrific,
where dod you find it?.....
> Gaines Blackwell
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: jontalbot333
>   To: Whiscombe@yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 11:43 AM
>   Subject: [Whiscombe] Purchased today...
>
>
>   a mk1 rifle in .177. I'm told this is an all steel action and
that
>   it was made in 1990. John Whiscombe told me that it was supplied
>   with a .22 and a .177 barrel origionally so I guess that there
is
>   a .22 barrel somewhere out there. The stock has been refinished
but
>   the action is origional. I currently have a TX200SR in .22 so
I'm
>   looking forward to comparing the two. I've never used a
Whiscombe so
>   would appreciate any tips on cocking and firing - I understand
that
>   they need to be done in a certain order but I can't remember
what
>   is.
>
>
>
>   Regards, Jon.
>
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From: "jontalbot333" <jon.talbot1@...>
Date: Mon Oct 27, 2003 11:39pm
Subject: Re: Purchased today...

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Gaines,

yes, I'm in North Yorkshire, in a town called Harrogate and it is a
very lovely part of England thank you.

Regards, Jon.

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<gtblackwell@c...> wrote:
> Jon, that sounds like my dream gun! I would love to have a
breakbarrel JW and really would prefer a steel receiver. I am right
handed however. If one pops up I would end my buying moratorium to
buy it. I have Original 65 and 66's that are the inspiration for the
early JW's but without the punch. Do you live in Yorkshire? Has to
be as beautiful a part of England as exist. I will have to go and
get my Barbour coat just for the memories!!! I really like Yorkshire
and Northumbria..
>
> Gaines
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: jontalbot333
> To:  http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=RDNvAvm8rOsTpr7U66qx5rbZYlq7eed-YrFJKyr_iLm2Vl-P-kX2eT_0Milg0mga1_3RnJr1JhSxYh-1SHNA3sQNlw
> Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 3:24 PM
> Subject: [Whiscombe] Re: Purchased today...
>
>
> Thanks Gaines,
>
> I've only seen a photograph so far - I bought it from someone on
> airgunbbs.com It's a left handed break barrel with a walnut
> thumbhole stock with stippled contact areas. It looks very
similiar
> to a rifle I have seen on here - a mk1 no 0049 which was bought
from
> a shop here in Yorkshire, UK. I was told that numbers 1 - 50 had
> steel and aluminium actions whereas 51 onwards had all steel
> actions. I will post some pictures here when it arrives.
>
>
> Regards, Jon.
> --- In  http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=RDNvAvm8rOsTpr7U66qx5rbZYlq7eed-YrFJKyr_iLm2Vl-P-kX2eT_0Milg0mga1_3RnJr1JhSxYh-1SHNA3sQNlw , "Gaines Blackwell"
> <gtblackwell@c...> wrote:
> > Jon, can you give a description of the Mk 1? Sounds terrific,
> where dod you find it?.....
> > Gaines Blackwell
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: jontalbot333
> > To:  http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=RDNvAvm8rOsTpr7U66qx5rbZYlq7eed-YrFJKyr_iLm2Vl-P-kX2eT_0Milg0mga1_3RnJr1JhSxYh-1SHNA3sQNlw
> > Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 11:43 AM
> > Subject: [Whiscombe] Purchased today...
> >
> >
> > a mk1 rifle in .177. I'm told this is an all steel action
and
> that
> > it was made in 1990. John Whiscombe told me that it was
supplied
> > with a .22 and a .177 barrel origionally so I guess that
there
> is
> > a .22 barrel somewhere out there. The stock has been
refinished
> but
> > the action is origional. I currently have a TX200SR in .22
so
> I'm
> > looking forward to comparing the two. I've never used a
> Whiscombe so
> > would appreciate any tips on cocking and firing - I
understand
> that
> > they need to be done in a certain order but I can't remember
> what
> > is.
> >
> >
> >
> > Regards, Jon.
> >
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From: "JONATHAN ULRICH" <sgtjohn_1@...>
Date: Mon Oct 27, 2003 0:37am
Subject: Re: Re: Purchased today...

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Gaines,

 

When you do find it and if it is across the pond, recommend you have it shipped to John W. for a check-up. The service is inexpensive and well worth the peace of mind.

 

Very best my friend...John

----- Original Message -----

From: Gaines Blackwell

To: Whiscombe@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 6:14 PM

Subject: Re: [Whiscombe] Re: Purchased today...

 

Guys, I haven't bought an airgun in nearly a year and had not planned to buy anymore period but the Whiscombe bug has bitten me. I would be very interested in buying a Mk 1 break barrel in .17 or .20....right hand. I actually like guns that show honest use but care as well. Worn blue, pressure marks do not bother me at all. I know this is a needle in a haystack hunt but I have found a HW 55CM and a like new FWB300S RT thumbhold as well as  similar Mini so hunting for guns is fun to me. Would appreciate any help or opportunity and will crank up my on search as well.

 

Best regards,

Gaines Blackwell----- Original Message -----

From: Gaines Blackwell

To: Whiscombe@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 5:06 PM

Subject: Re: [Whiscombe] Re: Purchased today...

 

Jon, that sounds like my dream gun! I would love to have a breakbarrel JW and really would prefer a steel receiver. I am right handed however. If one pops up I would end my buying moratorium to buy it. I have Original 65 and 66's that are the inspiration for the early JW's but without the punch. Do you live in Yorkshire? Has to be as beautiful a part of England as exist. I will have to go and get my Barbour coat just for the memories!!! I really like Yorkshire and Northumbria..

 

Gaines

 

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: jontalbot333

To: Whiscombe@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 3:24 PM

Subject: [Whiscombe] Re: Purchased today...

 

Thanks Gaines,

I've only seen a photograph so far - I bought it from someone on
airgunbbs.com It's a left handed break barrel with a walnut
thumbhole stock with stippled contact areas. It looks very similiar
to a rifle I have seen on here - a mk1 no 0049 which was bought from
a shop here in Yorkshire, UK. I was told that numbers 1 - 50 had
steel and aluminium actions whereas 51 onwards had all steel
actions. I will post some pictures here when it arrives.

Regards, Jon.
--- In Whiscombe@yahoogroups.com, "Gaines Blackwell"
wrote:
> Jon, can you give a description of the Mk 1? Sounds terrific,
where dod you find it?.....
> Gaines Blackwell
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: jontalbot333
>   To: Whiscombe@yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 11:43 AM
>   Subject: [Whiscombe] Purchased today...
>
>
>   a mk1 rifle in .177. I'm told this is an all steel action and
that
>   it was made in 1990. John Whiscombe told me that it was supplied
>   with a .22 and a .177 barrel origionally so I guess that there
is
>   a .22 barrel somewhere out there. The stock has been refinished
but
>   the action is origional. I currently have a TX200SR in .22 so
I'm
>   looking forward to comparing the two. I've never used a
Whiscombe so
>   would appreciate any tips on cocking and firing - I understand
that
>   they need to be done in a certain order but I can't remember
what
>   is.
>
>
>
>   Regards, Jon.
>
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From: "Gaines Blackwell" <gtblackwell@...>
Date: Mon Oct 27, 2003 0:14am
Subject: Re: Re: Purchased today...

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Guys, I haven't bought an airgun in nearly a year and had not planned to buy anymore period but the Whiscombe bug has bitten me. I would be very interested in buying a Mk 1 break barrel in .17 or .20....right hand. I actually like guns that show honest use but care as well. Worn blue, pressure marks do not bother me at all. I know this is a needle in a haystack hunt but I have found a HW 55CM and a like new FWB300S RT thumbhold as well as  similar Mini so hunting for guns is fun to me. Would appreciate any help or opportunity and will crank up my on search as well.

 

Best regards,

Gaines Blackwell----- Original Message -----

From: Gaines Blackwell

To: Whiscombe@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 5:06 PM

Subject: Re: [Whiscombe] Re: Purchased today...

 

Jon, that sounds like my dream gun! I would love to have a breakbarrel JW and really would prefer a steel receiver. I am right handed however. If one pops up I would end my buying moratorium to buy it. I have Original 65 and 66's that are the inspiration for the early JW's but without the punch. Do you live in Yorkshire? Has to be as beautiful a part of England as exist. I will have to go and get my Barbour coat just for the memories!!! I really like Yorkshire and Northumbria..

 

Gaines

 

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: jontalbot333

To: Whiscombe@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 3:24 PM

Subject: [Whiscombe] Re: Purchased today...

 

Thanks Gaines,

I've only seen a photograph so far - I bought it from someone on
airgunbbs.com It's a left handed break barrel with a walnut
thumbhole stock with stippled contact areas. It looks very similiar
to a rifle I have seen on here - a mk1 no 0049 which was bought from
a shop here in Yorkshire, UK. I was told that numbers 1 - 50 had
steel and aluminium actions whereas 51 onwards had all steel
actions. I will post some pictures here when it arrives.

Regards, Jon.
--- In Whiscombe@yahoogroups.com, "Gaines Blackwell"
wrote:
> Jon, can you give a description of the Mk 1? Sounds terrific,
where dod you find it?.....
> Gaines Blackwell
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: jontalbot333
>   To: Whiscombe@yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 11:43 AM
>   Subject: [Whiscombe] Purchased today...
>
>
>   a mk1 rifle in .177. I'm told this is an all steel action and
that
>   it was made in 1990. John Whiscombe told me that it was supplied
>   with a .22 and a .177 barrel origionally so I guess that there
is
>   a .22 barrel somewhere out there. The stock has been refinished
but
>   the action is origional. I currently have a TX200SR in .22 so
I'm
>   looking forward to comparing the two. I've never used a
Whiscombe so
>   would appreciate any tips on cocking and firing - I understand
that
>   they need to be done in a certain order but I can't remember
what
>   is.
>
>
>
>   Regards, Jon.
>
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From: "Gaines Blackwell" <gtblackwell@...>
Date: Sun Oct 26, 2003 11:06pm
Subject: Re: Re: Purchased today...

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Jon, that sounds like my dream gun! I would love to have a breakbarrel JW and really would prefer a steel receiver. I am right handed however. If one pops up I would end my buying moratorium to buy it. I have Original 65 and 66's that are the inspiration for the early JW's but without the punch. Do you live in Yorkshire? Has to be as beautiful a part of England as exist. I will have to go and get my Barbour coat just for the memories!!! I really like Yorkshire and Northumbria..

 

Gaines

 

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: jontalbot333

To: Whiscombe@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 3:24 PM

Subject: [Whiscombe] Re: Purchased today...

 

Thanks Gaines,

I've only seen a photograph so far - I bought it from someone on
airgunbbs.com It's a left handed break barrel with a walnut
thumbhole stock with stippled contact areas. It looks very similiar
to a rifle I have seen on here - a mk1 no 0049 which was bought from
a shop here in Yorkshire, UK. I was told that numbers 1 - 50 had
steel and aluminium actions whereas 51 onwards had all steel
actions. I will post some pictures here when it arrives.

Regards, Jon.
--- In Whiscombe@yahoogroups.com, "Gaines Blackwell"
wrote:
> Jon, can you give a description of the Mk 1? Sounds terrific,
where dod you find it?.....
> Gaines Blackwell
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: jontalbot333
>   To: Whiscombe@yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 11:43 AM
>   Subject: [Whiscombe] Purchased today...
>
>
>   a mk1 rifle in .177. I'm told this is an all steel action and
that
>   it was made in 1990. John Whiscombe told me that it was supplied
>   with a .22 and a .177 barrel origionally so I guess that there
is
>   a .22 barrel somewhere out there. The stock has been refinished
but
>   the action is origional. I currently have a TX200SR in .22 so
I'm
>   looking forward to comparing the two. I've never used a
Whiscombe so
>   would appreciate any tips on cocking and firing - I understand
that
>   they need to be done in a certain order but I can't remember
what
>   is.
>
>
>
>   Regards, Jon.
>
>
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From: "jontalbot333" <jon.talbot1@...>
Date: Sun Oct 26, 2003 9:24pm
Subject: Re: Purchased today...

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Thanks Gaines,

I've only seen a photograph so far - I bought it from someone on
airgunbbs.com It's a left handed break barrel with a walnut
thumbhole stock with stippled contact areas. It looks very similiar
to a rifle I have seen on here - a mk1 no 0049 which was bought from
a shop here in Yorkshire, UK. I was told that numbers 1 - 50 had
steel and aluminium actions whereas 51 onwards had all steel
actions. I will post some pictures here when it arrives.

Regards, Jon.
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> it was made in 1990. John Whiscombe told me that it was supplied
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is
> a .22 barrel somewhere out there. The stock has been refinished
but
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I'm
> looking forward to comparing the two. I've never used a
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From: "jontalbot333" <jon.talbot1@...>
Date: Sun Oct 26, 2003 9:15pm
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Thanks David,

I will check with John. I've only spoken to him once but he was a
really nice man and very helpful.

Regards, Jon.

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> Congratulations. Use it in good health. For operating
advice, why not just check with Mr. Whiscombe with an e-mail?
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> Jealous regards,
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> a mk1 rifle in .177. I'm told this is an all steel action and
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> it was made in 1990. John Whiscombe told me that it was supplied
> with a .22 and a .177 barrel origionally so I guess that there
is
> a .22 barrel somewhere out there. The stock has been refinished
but
> the action is origional. I currently have a TX200SR in .22 so
I'm
> looking forward to comparing the two. I've never used a
Whiscombe so
> would appreciate any tips on cocking and firing - I understand
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From: "Gaines Blackwell" <gtblackwell@...>
Date: Sun Oct 26, 2003 6:04pm
Subject: Re: Purchased today...

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Jon, can you give a description of the Mk 1? Sounds terrific, where dod you find it?.....

Gaines Blackwell

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Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 11:43 AM

Subject: [Whiscombe] Purchased today...

 

a mk1 rifle in .177. I'm told this is an all steel action and that
it was made in 1990. John Whiscombe told me that it was supplied
with a .22 and a .177 barrel origionally so I guess that there is
a .22 barrel somewhere out there. The stock has been refinished but
the action is origional. I currently have a TX200SR in .22 so I'm
looking forward to comparing the two. I've never used a Whiscombe so
would appreciate any tips on cocking and firing - I understand that
they need to be done in a certain order but I can't remember what
is.

Regards, Jon.

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From: "David Nissen Kahn" <riflist@...>
Date: Sun Oct 26, 2003 5:50pm
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Jon,

 

    Congratulations.  Use it in good health.  For operating advice, why not just check with Mr. Whiscombe with an e-mail?

 

                                    Jealous regards,

 

                                    David

----- Original Message -----

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Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 10:43 AM

Subject: [Whiscombe] Purchased today...

 

a mk1 rifle in .177. I'm told this is an all steel action and that
it was made in 1990. John Whiscombe told me that it was supplied
with a .22 and a .177 barrel origionally so I guess that there is
a .22 barrel somewhere out there. The stock has been refinished but
the action is origional. I currently have a TX200SR in .22 so I'm
looking forward to comparing the two. I've never used a Whiscombe so
would appreciate any tips on cocking and firing - I understand that
they need to be done in a certain order but I can't remember what
is.

Regards, Jon.

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From: "jontalbot333" <jon.talbot1@...>
Date: Sun Oct 26, 2003 5:43pm
Subject: Purchased today...

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a mk1 rifle in .177. I'm told this is an all steel action and that
it was made in 1990. John Whiscombe told me that it was supplied
with a .22 and a .177 barrel origionally so I guess that there is
a .22 barrel somewhere out there. The stock has been refinished but
the action is origional. I currently have a TX200SR in .22 so I'm
looking forward to comparing the two. I've never used a Whiscombe so
would appreciate any tips on cocking and firing - I understand that
they need to be done in a certain order but I can't remember what
is.

Regards, Jon.

 

213

From: "JONATHAN ULRICH" <sgtjohn_1@...>
Date: Thu Oct 23, 2003 11:19pm
Subject: Re: MMmmmmmmmmm! Yummy!

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I've had the pleasure of partaking David's cookies...they are yummyyy...

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Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 2:56 PM

Subject: [Whiscombe] MMmmmmmmmmm! Yummy!

 

Thanks, David. 
Those cookies are too good to be true.  We're sharing them here at
Airco.

My pleasure meeting you and Mark in Estes Park.  Judy and I are
already planning a trip back about the same time next year. Actually,
I wouldn't mind living up there.

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Thanks, David.
Those cookies are too good to be true. We're sharing them here at
Airco.

My pleasure meeting you and Mark in Estes Park. Judy and I are
already planning a trip back about the same time next year. Actually,
I wouldn't mind living up there.

Ken

 

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From: Lawrence H Durham <lhdurham2@...>
Date: Wed Oct 22, 2003 7:09pm
Subject: Re: Fw: Varminter Gun Vyse

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Hi all,

 

Just returned from over a week of fishing and camping in Baja Sur.

 

re Whiscombe benching:

 

A few months ago i did fair in a BR25 type benchrest match using my JW60MKII in .177 with lubed Premier 10.5gr pellets at around 875fps.

 

I used a FT type fanny pad as a cushion to rest the rifle, along with a large block of wood under it to get the height about right ...

had a borrowed leather rabbit-ear type rear rest and used squeeze technique for elev control.   It IS a problem with dismounting the gun for each shot and the cocking takes its toll over a 100 shot match (i noticed my best efforts were in the middle part of the match, once i got the hang of wind doping, but before i got a little fatigued from lifting and cocking the gun, which is more awkward when seated at the bench).  I was shooting from around 26yds in swirling breezes that required holdoff of up to 3/4" ... but with no wind, it wasn't too difficult to keep the show inside the half inch circles of the target.

 

I use very light shoulder and cheek pressure and squeeze trigger with thumb on top of stock wrist.  A spirit level is a good aid as well.  I find use of a pillow under the "shooting hand" forearm and elbow to keep it up off the bench at a good height is a big aid to comfortable shooting from a bench.

 

ld

 

On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 08:28:14 -0600 "David Nissen Kahn" <riflist@mindspring.com> writes:

Leo et alias,

 

    Anent Mr. Duran's note about 40 yard group work, as well as the recent discussion thread on rests, I sent this query to Mr. Whiscombe.  I have a note from the mailing system telling me that it's currently hung up somewhere without fatal errors, so I'll leave it and await JW's response.  Certainly enough, he should know how to rest his rifles for best bench performance, and what operator techniques are requisite.  But we ought to have some answers from experienced Whizzerizers.  Mr. Durham?  Others?  Thoughts, please.

 

                            David

----- Original Message -----

From: David Nissen Kahn

To: John Whiscombe

Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 9:42 AM

Subject: Fw: [Whiscombe] Varminter Gun Vyse

 

Mr. Whiscombe,

 

    At the risk of elevating my nuisance value to intolerable levels, though you have been generous enough to answer my questions before, I hope that I may intrude on your time again.  The below-copied interchange is from the Whiscombe Group e-mail discussion list today.  It would be very useful and enlightening to have your experience-based thoughts on bench technique and appropriate rests and fixtures for testing repeatability and pellet comparisons with your rifles.  I have referred to the Lahti Rifle Evaluator (c.f.  http://www.lahticompany.com/index.cfm ) as a possible device worth one's considering, if a way can be found to keep the rifle's alignment in the cradle unchanged while cocking . . . or to return it to the same position using some sort of witness.

 

    Thank you in advance for your time and your trouble.

 

                            Yours cordially,

 

                            David Nissen Kahn

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Ken Ridout

To: Whiscombe@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 8:55 AM

Subject: Re: [Whiscombe] Varminter Gun Vyse

 

I don't consider the Whiscombe "hold sensitive" as the term is applied to regular lightweight springers.  Mine shoots very accurately and consistently from a rest; but maybe not if the butt isn't pulled rather firmly into the shoulder.  I've found that compensated springers like the FWB-300S and the Whiscombe tend to like firm shoulder pressure.  i.e. my FWB-300S (if held extremely loosely)  will create a 1/4" group at 10 meters, but seems to perfectly stack pellets if held firmly.   I've attempted the same test with the Whiscombe at 30 yards, but my own shooting skills and the environment make that more difficult to be as conclusive.

Ken

At 02:41 PM 10/14/2003 +0000, you wrote:

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its fine just wondering who the Whizzer would be Hold sensitivity and
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From: Lawrence H Durham <lhdurham2@...>
Date: Wed Oct 22, 2003 7:09pm
Subject: Re: Fw: Varminter Gun Vyse

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Hi all,

 

Just returned from over a week of fishing and camping in Baja Sur.

 

re Whiscombe benching:

 

A few months ago i did fair in a BR25 type benchrest match using my JW60MKII in .177 with lubed Premier 10.5gr pellets at around 875fps.

 

I used a FT type fanny pad as a cushion to rest the rifle, along with a large block of wood under it to get the height about right ...

had a borrowed leather rabbit-ear type rear rest and used squeeze technique for elev control.   It IS a problem with dismounting the gun for each shot and the cocking takes its toll over a 100 shot match (i noticed my best efforts were in the middle part of the match, once i got the hang of wind doping, but before i got a little fatigued from lifting and cocking the gun, which is more awkward when seated at the bench).  I was shooting from around 26yds in swirling breezes that required holdoff of up to 3/4" ... but with no wind, it wasn't too difficult to keep the show inside the half inch circles of the target.

 

I use very light shoulder and cheek pressure and squeeze trigger with thumb on top of stock wrist.  A spirit level is a good aid as well.  I find use of a pillow under the "shooting hand" forearm and elbow to keep it up off the bench at a good height is a big aid to comfortable shooting from a bench.

 

ld

 

On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 08:28:14 -0600 "David Nissen Kahn" <riflist@mindspring.com> writes:

Leo et alias,

 

    Anent Mr. Duran's note about 40 yard group work, as well as the recent discussion thread on rests, I sent this query to Mr. Whiscombe.  I have a note from the mailing system telling me that it's currently hung up somewhere without fatal errors, so I'll leave it and await JW's response.  Certainly enough, he should know how to rest his rifles for best bench performance, and what operator techniques are requisite.  But we ought to have some answers from experienced Whizzerizers.  Mr. Durham?  Others?  Thoughts, please.

 

                            David

----- Original Message -----

From: David Nissen Kahn

To: John Whiscombe

Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 9:42 AM

Subject: Fw: [Whiscombe] Varminter Gun Vyse

 

Mr. Whiscombe,

 

    At the risk of elevating my nuisance value to intolerable levels, though you have been generous enough to answer my questions before, I hope that I may intrude on your time again.  The below-copied interchange is from the Whiscombe Group e-mail discussion list today.  It would be very useful and enlightening to have your experience-based thoughts on bench technique and appropriate rests and fixtures for testing repeatability and pellet comparisons with your rifles.  I have referred to the Lahti Rifle Evaluator (c.f.  http://www.lahticompany.com/index.cfm ) as a possible device worth one's considering, if a way can be found to keep the rifle's alignment in the cradle unchanged while cocking . . . or to return it to the same position using some sort of witness.

 

    Thank you in advance for your time and your trouble.

 

                            Yours cordially,

 

                            David Nissen Kahn

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Ken Ridout

To: Whiscombe@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 8:55 AM

Subject: Re: [Whiscombe] Varminter Gun Vyse

 

I don't consider the Whiscombe "hold sensitive" as the term is applied to regular lightweight springers.  Mine shoots very accurately and consistently from a rest; but maybe not if the butt isn't pulled rather firmly into the shoulder.  I've found that compensated springers like the FWB-300S and the Whiscombe tend to like firm shoulder pressure.  i.e. my FWB-300S (if held extremely loosely)  will create a 1/4" group at 10 meters, but seems to perfectly stack pellets if held firmly.   I've attempted the same test with the Whiscombe at 30 yards, but my own shooting skills and the environment make that more difficult to be as conclusive.

Ken

At 02:41 PM 10/14/2003 +0000, you wrote:

Anyone use the variminter for a rest? I have one I use for PCP's and
its fine just wondering who the Whizzer would be Hold sensitivity and
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Date: Thu Oct 16, 2003 1:22am
Subject: Fw: Varminter Gun Vyse

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Ladies and Gentlemen:

 

        From Mr. Whiscombe on rest shooting . . . not what I'd hoped, perhaps, but interesting.  How about some thoughts from Mr. Durham?

 

                                David

 

----- Original Message -----

From: John Whiscombe

To: David Nissen Kahn

Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 3:22 PM

Subject: Re: [Whiscombe] Varminter Gun Vyse

 

David,

I received both of your emails on the 15th. I personally haven't had much experience of bench resting, I don't think that it is quite as popular over here although there are some devotees. More popular is the growing use of bipods. Speaking from my own benching .I do tend to agree with Ken that a firm hold into the shoulder is beneficial. I test my guns as in F.T. position as I find that this kills 2 birds with one stone as it were. It may be a subjective testing, but I have been at it long enough to know whether it is me or the gun which is or not shooting well. It also helps to keep my eye in for hunting and FT.

John W.Original Message -----

From: David Nissen Kahn

To: John Whiscombe

Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 4:42 PM

Subject: Fw: [Whiscombe] Varminter Gun Vyse

 

Mr. Whiscombe,

 

    At the risk of elevating my nuisance value to intolerable levels, though you have been generous enough to answer my questions before, I hope that I may intrude on your time again.  The below-copied interchange is from the Whiscombe Group e-mail discussion list today.  It would be very useful and enlightening to have your experience-based thoughts on bench technique and appropriate rests and fixtures for testing repeatability and pellet comparisons with your rifles.  I have referred to the Lahti Rifle Evaluator (c.f.  http://www.lahticompany.com/index.cfm ) as a possible device worth one's considering, if a way can be found to keep the rifle's alignment in the cradle unchanged while cocking . . . or to return it to the same position using some sort of witness.

 

    Thank you in advance for your time and your trouble.

 

                            Yours cordially,

 

                            David Nissen Kahn

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Ken Ridout

To: Whiscombe@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 8:55 AM

Subject: Re: [Whiscombe] Varminter Gun Vyse

 

I don't consider the Whiscombe "hold sensitive" as the term is applied to regular lightweight springers.  Mine shoots very accurately and consistently from a rest; but maybe not if the butt isn't pulled rather firmly into the shoulder.  I've found that compensated springers like the FWB-300S and the Whiscombe tend to like firm shoulder pressure.  i.e. my FWB-300S (if held extremely loosely)  will create a 1/4" group at 10 meters, but seems to perfectly stack pellets if held firmly.   I've attempted the same test with the Whiscombe at 30 yards, but my own shooting skills and the environment make that more difficult to be as conclusive.

Ken

At 02:41 PM 10/14/2003 +0000, you wrote:

Anyone use the variminter for a rest? I have one I use for PCP's and
its fine just wondering who the Whizzer would be Hold sensitivity and
all that Jazz,,,,,,,

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Date: Wed Oct 15, 2003 3:36pm
Subject: Re: Fw: Varminter Gun Vyse

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I'd almost guess that Larry D. knows more and has tested more than anyone in the United States with this rifle.  He's probably the best source of information on how to get the best bench rest results and HOTS adjustment; maybe in the world.  I understand that he has a large windless tube for testing rifles at his ranch (kind of like John Ulrich has access to at his employment). 

The one thing that I read LD say was something like this, "be sure the rifle is supported wholly by its stock and let none of the metal cocking apparatus do any of the supporting".   To that end, I try to rest the rifle on my knuckles on either side of the cocking lever slot when shooting off-hand.

Ken

At 08:28 AM 10/15/2003 -0600, you wrote:

Leo et alias,
 
    Anent Mr. Duran's note about 40 yard group work, as well as the recent discussion thread on rests, I sent this query to Mr. Whiscombe.  I have a note from the mailing system telling me that it's currently hung up somewhere without fatal errors, so I'll leave it and await JW's response.  Certainly enough, he should know how to rest his rifles for best bench performance, and what operator techniques are requisite.  But we ought to have some answers from experienced Whizzerizers.  Mr. Durham?  Others?  Thoughts, please.
 
                            David
----- Original Message -----
From: David Nissen Kahn
To: John Whiscombe
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 9:42 AM
Subject: Fw: [Whiscombe] Varminter Gun Vyse

Mr. Whiscombe,
 
    At the risk of elevating my nuisance value to intolerable levels, though you have been generous enough to answer my questions before, I hope that I may intrude on your time again.  The below-copied interchange is from the Whiscombe Group e-mail discussion list today.  It would be very useful and enlightening to have your experience-based thoughts on bench technique and appropriate rests and fixtures for testing repeatability and pellet comparisons with your rifles.  I have referred to the Lahti Rifle Evaluator (c.f.  http://www.lahticompany.com/index.cfm ) as a possible device worth one's considering, if a way can be found to keep the rifle's alignment in the cradle unchanged while cocking . . . or to return it to the same position using some sort of witness.
 
    Thank you in advance for your time and your trouble.
 
                            Yours cordially,
 
                            David Nissen Kahn
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Ken Ridout
To: Whiscombe@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 8:55 AM
Subject: Re: [Whiscombe] Varminter Gun Vyse

I don't consider the Whiscombe "hold sensitive" as the term is applied to regular lightweight springers.  Mine shoots very accurately and consistently from a rest; but maybe not if the butt isn't pulled rather firmly into the shoulder.  I've found that compensated springers like the FWB-300S and the Whiscombe tend to like firm shoulder pressure.  i.e. my FWB-300S (if held extremely loosely)  will create a 1/4" group at 10 meters, but seems to perfectly stack pellets if held firmly.   I've attempted the same test with the Whiscombe at 30 yards, but my own shooting skills and the environment make that more difficult to be as conclusive.

Ken

At 02:41 PM 10/14/2003 +0000, you wrote:

Anyone use the variminter for a rest? I have one I use for PCP's and
its fine just wondering who the Whizzer would be Hold sensitivity and
all that Jazz,,,,,,,

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From: "David Nissen Kahn" <riflist@...>
Date: Wed Oct 15, 2003 3:28pm
Subject: Fw: Varminter Gun Vyse

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Leo et alias,

 

    Anent Mr. Duran's note about 40 yard group work, as well as the recent discussion thread on rests, I sent this query to Mr. Whiscombe.  I have a note from the mailing system telling me that it's currently hung up somewhere without fatal errors, so I'll leave it and await JW's response.  Certainly enough, he should know how to rest his rifles for best bench performance, and what operator techniques are requisite.  But we ought to have some answers from experienced Whizzerizers.  Mr. Durham?  Others?  Thoughts, please.

 

                            David

----- Original Message -----

From: David Nissen Kahn

To: John Whiscombe

Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 9:42 AM

Subject: Fw: [Whiscombe] Varminter Gun Vyse

 

Mr. Whiscombe,

 

    At the risk of elevating my nuisance value to intolerable levels, though you have been generous enough to answer my questions before, I hope that I may intrude on your time again.  The below-copied interchange is from the Whiscombe Group e-mail discussion list today.  It would be very useful and enlightening to have your experience-based thoughts on bench technique and appropriate rests and fixtures for testing repeatability and pellet comparisons with your rifles.  I have referred to the Lahti Rifle Evaluator (c.f.  http://www.lahticompany.com/index.cfm ) as a possible device worth one's considering, if a way can be found to keep the rifle's alignment in the cradle unchanged while cocking . . . or to return it to the same position using some sort of witness.

 

    Thank you in advance for your time and your trouble.

 

                            Yours cordially,

 

                            David Nissen Kahn

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Ken Ridout

To: Whiscombe@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 8:55 AM

Subject: Re: [Whiscombe] Varminter Gun Vyse

 

I don't consider the Whiscombe "hold sensitive" as the term is applied to regular lightweight springers.  Mine shoots very accurately and consistently from a rest; but maybe not if the butt isn't pulled rather firmly into the shoulder.  I've found that compensated springers like the FWB-300S and the Whiscombe tend to like firm shoulder pressure.  i.e. my FWB-300S (if held extremely loosely)  will create a 1/4" group at 10 meters, but seems to perfectly stack pellets if held firmly.   I've attempted the same test with the Whiscombe at 30 yards, but my own shooting skills and the environment make that more difficult to be as conclusive.

Ken

At 02:41 PM 10/14/2003 +0000, you wrote:

Anyone use the variminter for a rest? I have one I use for PCP's and
its fine just wondering who the Whizzer would be Hold sensitivity and
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From: Leo Duran <leo_duran@...>
Date: Wed Oct 15, 2003 3:13pm
Subject: Re: Re: Varminter Gun Vyse

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David, et al,

I haven't figured out, yet, how to get consistent
groups from a rest at 40 yards or more. John Ulrich
tells me he's got it down to a science, and we'll be
meeting at "Airgun Fun" in Dallas, on the 25th.

Frankly, I think my "HOTS" needs adjustment (.177
barrel), but before I tinker with it, I figure on
letting John show me how get he's getting his "tight"
groups. I'll report back on this.

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From: "David Nissen Kahn" <riflist@...>
Date: Wed Oct 15, 2003 5:26am
Subject: Re: Re: Varminter Gun Vyse

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Sure, Leo.  No harm even if you weren't.

 

                        DK

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Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 1:07 PM

Subject: Re: [Whiscombe] Re: Varminter Gun Vyse

 

David,
I'm just kidding... OK?
Leo.

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From: Leo Duran <leo_duran@...>
Date: Tue Oct 14, 2003 8:07pm
Subject: Re: Re: Varminter Gun Vyse

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David,
I'm just kidding... OK?
Leo.

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From: Leo Duran <leo_duran@...>
Date: Tue Oct 14, 2003 8:05pm
Subject: Re: Re: Varminter Gun Vyse

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"Ergo"... good one. "riflist", another good one.
You sure do have a way with words... and lots of them
at that. I'm gonna have start taking notes to keep up
with you... LOL.

Cheers,
Leo.

 

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From: "wonderwall696" <dermotmt@...>
Date: Fri Dec 5, 2003 5:52pm
Subject: Lube

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Hi can any ove you guys tell me what your using for your Whiscombe's
and how u get it on?? spray, Rag ect ect....Thanx

 

293

From: "wonderwall696" <dermotmt@...>
Date: Fri Nov 28, 2003 0:15am
Subject: Whizzer for SALE!

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Hi guys i just noticed a whiscombe 65 for sale on the UK AirgunBBS
board heres the link  http://airgunbbs.com/6/ubb.x?
a=tpc&s=91060785&f=11460308&m=7216009005 he wants ?1000 for
it...mines on order but mabey one of u guys might like it ....

 

292

From: "ron jobbes" <rj222@...>
Date: Thu Nov 27, 2003 5:08am
Subject: RE: Re: About to order JW 70

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have to come to see

-----Original Message-----
From: Bill [mailto:wpu@calspas.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2003 10:19 AM
To: Whiscombe@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Whiscombe] Re: About to order JW 70

Hi Ron,

Do you know what airguns might be for sale that day?

Thanks.

Bill

--- In Whiscombe@yahoogroups.com, "ron jobbes" wrote:
> sorry BILL,
>  i  don't socalize with people from the DARKSIDE (pcp)  only
springers,
> let know when you get the whizzer and we can talk
> The TX SR is pretty cool too.
> bring the r10   second saturday @ prado is airgun swapmeet and
christmas
> party
> come sell or buy

> rj


>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bill [mailto:wpu@c...]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 8:54 AM
> To: Whiscombe@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Whiscombe] Re: About to order JW 70
>
>
> Hi Ron,
>
> I shot with CASA last year.  I moved to Corona so I haven't been
> going to the matches.  I started out with my R10 and then I bought
a
> used Pro Target.  Now hopefully i'll have a JW to play with.
>
> Bill
>
> --- In Whiscombe@yahoogroups.com, "ron jobbes" wrote:
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> > there are a few jw's in so cal  in fact I now about 4 in the sf
> valley.
> > where are you??  have you heard about CALIFORNIA AIRGUN SHOOTERS
> > ASSOCIATION   "CASA"
> > 
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> >
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> >
> >
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> > I recently sent John an email asking about the JW 65 and was
> advised
> > that they are currently JW 70's.  I'm in the process of finding
out
> > if there are any other options to consider other than the
thumbhole
> > stock.  I was going for the .22 in 20 ft/lbs.
> >
> > I'm waiting for John to confirm his address before I send in my
> > deposit.
> >
> > Any thoughts on scopes and mounts?
> >
> > This is going to be a long year!!
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From: "Bill" <wpu@...>
Date: Wed Nov 26, 2003 6:18pm
Subject: Re: About to order JW 70

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Hi Ron,

Do you know what airguns might be for sale that day?

Thanks.

Bill

--- In  http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=PyivVvHzu_QCvBGV3eEQ09lYzanA0fDapS58Q1J2r2k2C2EgPe2WcoQPUVYBalu5i-rDb_XDTbKeqsEeSF0f , "ron jobbes" <rj222@a...> wrote:
> sorry BILL,
> i don't socalize with people from the DARKSIDE (pcp) only
springers,
> let know when you get the whizzer and we can talk
> The TX SR is pretty cool too.
> bring the r10 second saturday @ prado is airgun swapmeet and
christmas
> party
> come sell or buy
>
> rj
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bill [mailto:wpu@c...]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 8:54 AM
> To:  http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=PyivVvHzu_QCvBGV3eEQ09lYzanA0fDapS58Q1J2r2k2C2EgPe2WcoQPUVYBalu5i-rDb_XDTbKeqsEeSF0f
> Subject: [Whiscombe] Re: About to order JW 70
>
>
> Hi Ron,
>
> I shot with CASA last year. I moved to Corona so I haven't been
> going to the matches. I started out with my R10 and then I bought
a
> used Pro Target. Now hopefully i'll have a JW to play with.
>
> Bill
>
> --- In  http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=PyivVvHzu_QCvBGV3eEQ09lYzanA0fDapS58Q1J2r2k2C2EgPe2WcoQPUVYBalu5i-rDb_XDTbKeqsEeSF0f , "ron jobbes" <rj222@a...> wrote:
> > BILL,
> > there are a few jw's in so cal in fact I now about 4 in the sf
> valley.
> > where are you?? have you heard about CALIFORNIA AIRGUN SHOOTERS
> > ASSOCIATION "CASA"
> >
> > JW60 #0008
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Bill [mailto:wpu@c...]
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> > Subject: [Whiscombe] About to order JW 70
> >
> >
> > Hi guys,
> >
> > I recently sent John an email asking about the JW 65 and was
> advised
> > that they are currently JW 70's. I'm in the process of finding
out
> > if there are any other options to consider other than the
thumbhole
> > stock. I was going for the .22 in 20 ft/lbs.
> >
> > I'm waiting for John to confirm his address before I send in my
> > deposit.
> >
> > Any thoughts on scopes and mounts?
> >
> > This is going to be a long year!!
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From: "Bill" <wpu@...>
Date: Wed Nov 26, 2003 6:17pm
Subject: Re: About to order JW 70

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Hi LD,

Thanks for the invite but I sold the R10 and the Pro Target already.
So, unfortunately, no shooting until I get a new Whizzer.

Bill

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> We shoot CASA matches one Saturday a month at the Prado shooting
complex
> right NEXT door to Corona,
> why not come out with us again?
>
> heres the CASA Forum addy
>
> ld
>
>
> On Tue, 25 Nov 2003 16:53:48 -0000 "Bill" <wpu@c...> writes:
> > Hi Ron,
> >
> > I shot with CASA last year. I moved to Corona so I haven't been
> > going to the matches. I started out with my R10 and then I
bought a
> >
> > used Pro Target. Now hopefully i'll have a JW to play with.
> >
> > Bill
> >
> > --- In  http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=qCVR6WthL9a4dPlUObiL9nDltQKHsJ_diLlXBxTyGd5p6nZcYCzLCVPeU1m13z9tvORvXZ3X3QOZXC6VsM4e8mI , "ron jobbes" <rj222@a...> wrote:
> > > BILL,
> > > there are a few jw's in so cal in fact I now about 4 in the sf
> > valley.
> > > where are you?? have you heard about CALIFORNIA AIRGUN SHOOTERS
> > > ASSOCIATION "CASA"
> > >
> > > JW60 #0008
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Bill [mailto:wpu@c...]
> > > Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 9:14 PM
> > > To:  http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=qCVR6WthL9a4dPlUObiL9nDltQKHsJ_diLlXBxTyGd5p6nZcYCzLCVPeU1m13z9tvORvXZ3X3QOZXC6VsM4e8mI
> > > Subject: [Whiscombe] About to order JW 70
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi guys,
> > >
> > > I recently sent John an email asking about the JW 65 and was
> > advised
> > > that they are currently JW 70's. I'm in the process of finding
> > out
> > > if there are any other options to consider other than the
> > thumbhole
> > > stock. I was going for the .22 in 20 ft/lbs.
> > >
> > > I'm waiting for John to confirm his address before I send in my
> > > deposit.
> > >
> > > Any thoughts on scopes and mounts?
> > >
> > > This is going to be a long year!!
> > >
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> > >
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From: "ron jobbes" <rj222@...>
Date: Wed Nov 26, 2003 5:16am
Subject: RE: Re: About to order JW 70

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sorry BILL,

 i  don't socalize with people from the DARKSIDE (pcp)  only springers, let know when you get the whizzer and we can talk

The TX SR is pretty cool too.

bring the r10   second saturday @ prado is airgun swapmeet and christmas party

come sell or buy

 

rj

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Bill [mailto:wpu@calspas.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 8:54 AM
To: Whiscombe@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Whiscombe] Re: About to order JW 70

Hi Ron,

I shot with CASA last year.  I moved to Corona so I haven't been
going to the matches.  I started out with my R10 and then I bought a
used Pro Target.  Now hopefully i'll have a JW to play with.

Bill

--- In Whiscombe@yahoogroups.com, "ron jobbes" wrote:
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> there are a few jw's in so cal  in fact I now about 4 in the sf
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> where are you??  have you heard about CALIFORNIA AIRGUN SHOOTERS
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>
>
> Hi guys,
>
> I recently sent John an email asking about the JW 65 and was
advised
> that they are currently JW 70's.  I'm in the process of finding out
> if there are any other options to consider other than the thumbhole
> stock.  I was going for the .22 in 20 ft/lbs.
>
> I'm waiting for John to confirm his address before I send in my
> deposit.
>
> Any thoughts on scopes and mounts?
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> This is going to be a long year!!
>
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From: Leo Duran <leo_duran@...>
Date: Wed Nov 26, 2003 4:43am
Subject: Re: I think my "grouping" problems are resolved! HOTS gap...

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Ken,

Great idea on the JPG file.
As I said, those mono-spaced character can shift on
you... Your picture got shifted a bit.

I took another snap-shot, and added some text:

&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/whiscombe/lst%3f%26.dir=/%26.src=gr%26.view=t

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From: Lawrence H Durham <lhdurham2@...>
Date: Wed Nov 26, 2003 5:22am
Subject: Re: Re: About to order JW 70

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We shoot CASA matches one Saturday a month at the Prado shooting complex
right NEXT door to Corona,
why not come out with us again?

heres the CASA Forum addy

ld

On Tue, 25 Nov 2003 16:53:48 -0000 "Bill" < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=FzxA6WqVx34sbnoYzPy7LpSq9nQC1sfqnR1c5YM3uH5JqAOe75qtfoOduiC3JNRnIDksqNQzbFRb > writes:
> Hi Ron,
>
> I shot with CASA last year. I moved to Corona so I haven't been
> going to the matches. I started out with my R10 and then I bought a
>
> used Pro Target. Now hopefully i'll have a JW to play with.
>
> Bill
>
> --- In  http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=TMvcnKYAtZy7DbiyXGDQw8HEvhnyYRFH8Gt2u6J7A2oKYfs2hmkspnFxVik7lriHAQSUv_ja0hZ-q-90Ad3jrYOiS68 , "ron jobbes" <rj222@a...> wrote:
> > BILL,
> > there are a few jw's in so cal in fact I now about 4 in the sf
> valley.
> > where are you?? have you heard about CALIFORNIA AIRGUN SHOOTERS
> > ASSOCIATION "CASA"
> >
> > JW60 #0008
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Bill [mailto:wpu@c...]
> > Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 9:14 PM
> > To:  http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=TMvcnKYAtZy7DbiyXGDQw8HEvhnyYRFH8Gt2u6J7A2oKYfs2hmkspnFxVik7lriHAQSUv_ja0hZ-q-90Ad3jrYOiS68
> > Subject: [Whiscombe] About to order JW 70
> >
> >
> > Hi guys,
> >
> > I recently sent John an email asking about the JW 65 and was
> advised
> > that they are currently JW 70's. I'm in the process of finding
> out
> > if there are any other options to consider other than the
> thumbhole
> > stock. I was going for the .22 in 20 ft/lbs.
> >
> > I'm waiting for John to confirm his address before I send in my
> > deposit.
> >
> > Any thoughts on scopes and mounts?
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From: "Ken H" <airmojo@...>
Date: Tue Nov 25, 2003 7:03pm
Subject: Re: I think my "grouping" problems are resolved! HOTS gap...

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Leo's HOTS diagram didn't quite show up right on the Yahoo site,
so I made a JPG file of it and posted it in the Photos section, here:

http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/whiscombe/vwp?.dir=/&.dnm=JW+Hot
s+gaps.jpg&.src=gr

I'm not quite sure how onen can see these gaps with the HOTS in
place...

Ken H (airmojo)

 

285

From: "Ken H" <airmojo@...>
Date: Tue Nov 25, 2003 6:59pm
Subject: Re: I think my "grouping" problems are resolved! HOTS gap...

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I made a jpg file of Leo's HOTS diagram in:
http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/whiscombe/vwp?.dir=/&.dnm=JW+Hot
s+gaps.jpg&.src=gr

to get it to look right.
--- In  http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=_T0jrunTOY7wguqjvwHkCQyfLlnCopvQkdlVx4XRLvxVp9HzoEenIueljSmvgMHWrly9sA0vQ_HLwEnciZn8tz1_Pw , Leo Duran <leo_duran@y...> wrote:
> Ken,
>
> View this e-mail in text-mode (or mono-spaced)...if
> you use "Outlook" the spacing may be out-of-whack.
>
> _________________
> --------------------/ | |
> -----+ +--------------+ +-------+
> <=Receiver |gap1|\\\\\HOTS\\\\\|gap2| | Muzzle
> -----+ +--------------+ +-------+
> --------------------\___|_____________|
> |
> Lock-Ring
>
> The idea is to find a "sweet spot" where "gap1" is
> minimum, and "gap2" is maximum... by setting the HOTS
> threaded-rod as close to the receiver as possible.
>
> Did I explain that better now?
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From: "Bill" <wpu@...>
Date: Tue Nov 25, 2003 4:53pm
Subject: Re: About to order JW 70

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Hi Ron,

I shot with CASA last year. I moved to Corona so I haven't been
going to the matches. I started out with my R10 and then I bought a
used Pro Target. Now hopefully i'll have a JW to play with.

Bill

--- In  http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=4hZf-gooICkcNWKTSwG2Gzmdqd7Pz1YxqZLDSRYegMgLRKBdh4VENINQyV6xYrdi83jtI8UICOFmpmTbfditjMCK66E , "ron jobbes" <rj222@a...> wrote:
> BILL,
> there are a few jw's in so cal in fact I now about 4 in the sf
valley.
> where are you?? have you heard about CALIFORNIA AIRGUN SHOOTERS
> ASSOCIATION "CASA"
>
> JW60 #0008
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bill [mailto:wpu@c...]
> Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 9:14 PM
> To:  http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=4hZf-gooICkcNWKTSwG2Gzmdqd7Pz1YxqZLDSRYegMgLRKBdh4VENINQyV6xYrdi83jtI8UICOFmpmTbfditjMCK66E
> Subject: [Whiscombe] About to order JW 70
>
>
> Hi guys,
>
> I recently sent John an email asking about the JW 65 and was
advised
> that they are currently JW 70's. I'm in the process of finding out
> if there are any other options to consider other than the thumbhole
> stock. I was going for the .22 in 20 ft/lbs.
>
> I'm waiting for John to confirm his address before I send in my
> deposit.
>
> Any thoughts on scopes and mounts?
>
> This is going to be a long year!!
>
> Anyone in the SoCal area on this list?
>
> Bill Pu
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From: Leo Duran <leo_duran@...>
Date: Tue Nov 25, 2003 3:45pm
Subject: Re: I think my "grouping" problems are resolved! HOTS gap...

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Ken,

View this e-mail in text-mode (or mono-spaced)...if
you use "Outlook" the spacing may be out-of-whack.

_________________
--------------------/ | |
-----+ +--------------+ +-------+
<=Receiver |gap1|\\\\\HOTS\\\\\|gap2| | Muzzle
-----+ +--------------+ +-------+
--------------------\___|_____________|
|
Lock-Ring

The idea is to find a "sweet spot" where "gap1" is
minimum, and "gap2" is maximum... by setting the HOTS
threaded-rod as close to the receiver as possible.

Did I explain that better now?

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From: "ron jobbes" <rj222@...>
Date: Tue Nov 25, 2003 6:49am
Subject: RE: About to order JW 70

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BILL,

there are a few jw's in so cal  in fact I now about 4 in the sf valley.  where are you??  have you heard about CALIFORNIA AIRGUN SHOOTERS ASSOCIATION   "CASA"

 

JW60 #0008

-----Original Message-----
From: Bill [mailto:wpu@calspas.com]
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 9:14 PM
To: Whiscombe@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Whiscombe] About to order JW 70

Hi guys,

I recently sent John an email asking about the JW 65 and was advised
that they are currently JW 70's.  I'm in the process of finding out
if there are any other options to consider other than the thumbhole
stock.  I was going for the .22 in 20 ft/lbs.

I'm waiting for John to confirm his address before I send in my
deposit.

Any thoughts on scopes and mounts?

This is going to be a long year!!

Anyone in the SoCal area on this list?

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From: Ken <ken@...>
Date: Tue Nov 25, 2003 5:18am
Subject: Re: About to order JW 70

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Well, congratulations. The year will pass, just like mine did. My rifle
took about 8 months to get here. That was right on schedule with his
estimate.

John Ulrich has a Leupold on his and I have a Bushnell 8-32X Rainguard on
mine. I prefer the BKL mounts because of the dual-clamping.

Ken

At 05:14 AM 11/25/2003 +0000, you wrote:
>Hi guys,
>
>I recently sent John an email asking about the JW 65 and was advised
>that they are currently JW 70's. I'm in the process of finding out
>if there are any other options to consider other than the thumbhole
>stock. I was going for the .22 in 20 ft/lbs.
>
>I'm waiting for John to confirm his address before I send in my
>deposit.
>
>Any thoughts on scopes and mounts?
>
>This is going to be a long year!!
>
>Anyone in the SoCal area on this list?
>
>Bill Pu
>
>
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From: "Bill" <wpu@...>
Date: Tue Nov 25, 2003 5:14am
Subject: About to order JW 70

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Hi guys,

I recently sent John an email asking about the JW 65 and was advised
that they are currently JW 70's. I'm in the process of finding out
if there are any other options to consider other than the thumbhole
stock. I was going for the .22 in 20 ft/lbs.

I'm waiting for John to confirm his address before I send in my
deposit.

Any thoughts on scopes and mounts?

This is going to be a long year!!

Anyone in the SoCal area on this list?

Bill Pu

 

279

From: Ken <ken@...>
Date: Tue Nov 25, 2003 3:52am
Subject: Re: Re: I think my "grouping" problems are resolved! HOTS gap...

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Well, you've sure confused me!  (chuckle)

I need to unscrew my HOTS a little I guess, and look for gap-osis. 

Maybe there's something inside the HOTS that I'm not aware of.  Wish you had a camera or something so you could give us a good illustration.

Ken

At 04:15 PM 11/24/2003 -0800, you wrote:

I'm confused with all this "gap" talk now.

I hope everyone understood that the "gaps" I was
referring to, are inside the barrel, and have nothing
to do with the outside stuff (locking ring, muzzle,
etc)... The outside stuff, of course, needs to be
tightened-up without any gaps.
    
Outside: everything tight (no gaps)
                  ______________
           ------/   |          |
 <=Receiver      |   |          | Muzzle
           ------\___|__________|
                   |       
                 Lock-Ring

Sure hope I didn't confused anyone.
Leo.

--- Ken Ridout wrote:
> Where mine is adjusted now, there's about 1/8" gap.
> When I received the
> rifle from John, there was no percievable gap.  (the
> HOTS loosened itself,
> I tried to re-tune . . . thus the gap).  I'm glad to
> know that maybe it
> shouldn't be there because it doesn't look that good
> with gap-osis.
>
> Ken

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From: Leo Duran <leo_duran@...>
Date: Tue Nov 25, 2003 0:15am
Subject: Re: Re: I think my "grouping" problems are resolved! HOTS gap...

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I'm confused with all this "gap" talk now.

I hope everyone understood that the "gaps" I was
referring to, are inside the barrel, and have nothing
to do with the outside stuff (locking ring, muzzle,
etc)... The outside stuff, of course, needs to be
tightened-up without any gaps.

Outside: everything tight (no gaps)
______________
------/ | |
<=Receiver | | | Muzzle
------\___|__________|
|
Lock-Ring

Sure hope I didn't confused anyone.
Leo.

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> Where mine is adjusted now, there's about 1/8" gap.
> When I received the
> rifle from John, there was no percievable gap. (the
> HOTS loosened itself,
> I tried to re-tune . . . thus the gap). I'm glad to
> know that maybe it
> shouldn't be there because it doesn't look that good
> with gap-osis.
>
> Ken

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From: Ken Ridout <ken@...>
Date: Mon Nov 24, 2003 4:54pm
Subject: Re: Re: I think my "grouping" problems are resolved! HOTS gap...

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Where mine is adjusted now, there's about 1/8" gap.  When I received the rifle from John, there was no percievable gap.  (the HOTS loosened itself, I tried to re-tune . . . thus the gap).  I'm glad to know that maybe it shouldn't be there because it doesn't look that good with gap-osis.

Ken

At 08:11 AM 11/24/2003 -0800, you wrote:

--- Ken H wrote:
> Concerning the HOTS 'gap'...
>
> We're talking the gap between the barrel shroud and
> the beginning of
> the HOTS unit aren't we ?

Leo's response: Yes.

>
> From my understanding of the HOTS unit, there should
> not be any gap
> between the two threaded HOTS pieces, as these
> should be tight
> together or they will end up unthreading and moving,
> correct ?

Leo's response: Correct.

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From: Leo Duran <leo_duran@...>
Date: Mon Nov 24, 2003 4:11pm
Subject: Re: Re: I think my "grouping" problems are resolved! HOTS gap...

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--- Ken H < http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=3izV-p1ZXYdZxny6pgbkBzIVcwTRpKCs-kzZcIRuy5eZN63mhk3HTdzU8xJbu5f2JTiFtAfa-JJIFLsz > wrote:
> Concerning the HOTS 'gap'...
>
> We're talking the gap between the barrel shroud and
> the beginning of
> the HOTS unit aren't we ?

Leo's response: Yes.

>
> From my understanding of the HOTS unit, there should
> not be any gap
> between the two threaded HOTS pieces, as these
> should be tight
> together or they will end up unthreading and moving,
> correct ?

Leo's response: Correct.

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From: "Ken H" <airmojo@...>
Date: Mon Nov 24, 2003 2:13pm
Subject: Re: I think my "grouping" problems are resolved! HOTS gap...

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Concerning the HOTS 'gap'...

We're talking the gap between the barrel shroud and the beginning of
the HOTS unit aren't we ?

From my understanding of the HOTS unit, there should not be any gap
between the two threaded HOTS pieces, as these should be tight
together or they will end up unthreading and moving, correct ?

Ken H (airmojo)

 

274

From: Ken <ken@...>
Date: Mon Nov 24, 2003 3:44am
Subject: Re: I think my "grouping" problems are resolved!

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At 07:16 PM 11/23/2003 -0800, you wrote:

As you know, the HOTS has several "sweet spots", that
can be found as you turn the threaded rod towards or
away form the muzzle.  If the rod sits somewhere in
the middle, it creates two gaps: one between it and
the receiver, and another between it and the muzzle.
Roz tells me that those gaps create turbulance, and
affect the pellet's trajectory, and thus accuracy.  He
has found that the optimal "sweet spot" is the one
that sets the rod closest to the receiver, virtually
eliminating one of the two gaps.

This IS good information!
I read that there are several sweet spots in the tuning of the HOTS, but didn't know about the one closest to the receiver would be the best.  I wish I had the patience and skill to really do a good HOTS tuning.  John probably spent a lot of time tuning mine before shipping it to me.  I remember that there was virtually no gap (where he had it set).  Now (with my attempts to set it up), there is a 1/8" gap. I should re-tune.

Ken

 

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From: Leo Duran <leo_duran@...>
Date: Mon Nov 24, 2003 3:16am
Subject: I think my "grouping" problems are resolved!

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Thanks to Roz Sumpter, I think my problems are over.
I sent the gun to Roz, for a "look over", and he
adjusted the HOTS, and tuned the trigger... what a
difference!

I shot several 5-shot groups today, at 30 yards, and
the pellets were all touching. Roz removed a bit of
"creep" from the first stage, and tuned it like his
competition gun. It took me a few shots to get used
to it, but I think it's more responsive now: nice and
crisp, I like it.

As you know, the HOTS has several "sweet spots", that
can be found as you turn the threaded rod towards or
away form the muzzle. If the rod sits somewhere in
the middle, it creates two gaps: one between it and
the receiver, and another between it and the muzzle.
Roz tells me that those gaps create turbulance, and
affect the pellet's trajectory, and thus accuracy. He
has found that the optimal "sweet spot" is the one
that sets the rod closest to the receiver, virtually
eliminating one of the two gaps.

In regards to this "soft-spring" JW-70, he said:
"Leo, it's not that much harder to cock than my JW-50,
yet it spits out JSBs at a consistent 962fps. If
you're not happy with it, bring it to to the Cajun
Nationals at Baton Rouge, and I'll buy it from you".

That's good enough for me!

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From: "Gaines Blackwell" <gtblackwell@...>
Date: Tue Nov 18, 2003 5:55pm
Subject: Re: Guns for Sale

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David, I think that a wise route. Personally I prefer slightly used guns that show some honest wear but have been well cared for as opposed to a pristine arm. I prefer a gun you can carry about and use without fear of a little bump causing the lost of value. A fair number of Whiscombes seems to have changed hands so maybe some interested party will come through for you. I had not planned on buying any more airguns with the exception of a good used Whiscombe so if you turn one down let me know!......I will watch your hunt with interest and wish you the best of luck. .  If one could have only a single air rifle surely a Whiscombe would be it.....GTB

 

----- Original Message -----

From: David Nissen Kahn

To: Whiscome Group

Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2003 9:58 AM

Subject: [Whiscombe] Guns for Sale

 

    Although this isn't a classified advertisements list, perhaps Ken will
allow an occasional query:

    I'm about to get financing in order and am planning to talk to Mr.
Whiscombe . . . but, as a side thought, does any of you Whizzerists have a
gun that he or she is considering for disposal?  I'm looking for a mid-power
piece, in the 6/65/70 series, preferably with 22 bore, but I'd evaluate
other pieces if offered.  Break barrel breeching would be perfectly okay.

    Please e-mail off-list if we should talk: riflist@mindspring.com.  Or
telephone: 303-697-9495.

    Thanks, Ken.

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From: "David Nissen Kahn" <riflist@...>
Date: Tue Nov 18, 2003 3:58pm
Subject: Guns for Sale

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Although this isn't a classified advertisements list, perhaps Ken will
allow an occasional query:

I'm about to get financing in order and am planning to talk to Mr.
Whiscombe . . . but, as a side thought, does any of you Whizzerists have a
gun that he or she is considering for disposal? I'm looking for a mid-power
piece, in the 6/65/70 series, preferably with 22 bore, but I'd evaluate
other pieces if offered. Break barrel breeching would be perfectly okay.

Please e-mail off-list if we should talk:  http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=ECsU8QSHe6yOjyN__w9IJadiQTNPNUXgMZPKa78w84vz60kBAr-U0R5RbSBh7EW0NMIgN03SowIhJAdE07ML8A . Or
telephone: 303-697-9495.

Thanks, Ken.

David Kahn

 

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From: "JONATHAN ULRICH" <sgtjohn_1@...>
Date: Tue Nov 18, 2003 4:34am
Subject: Re: Leo, All, anyone?

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ld,

 

Wow what a coincidence...I picked it up from Pickering Airguns of Scotland with a silencer installed. I had them send it to John W. for muzzle break switch and a tune up. It too is one of my favorites...

 

John U.

----- Original Message -----

From: Lawrence H Durham

To: Whiscombe@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 10:03 PM

Subject: Re: [Whiscombe] Leo, All, anyone?

 

John,

 

I read awhile back you recently bought JW50-0049 .... i have owned JW50-0050 for over a decade now, still a favorite!

 

ld

 

On Sun, 21 Sep 2003 17:18:38 -0500 "JONATHAN ULRICH" <sgtjohn_1@msn.com> writes:

John W set mine (JW70 MK2 SN:014) for CPL's. I shot it straight out of the box after installing a Leup 6.5X20 and BLK rings refininished by Spradlins of Colorado. It shot accurate enough but chronod around 720 FPS with CPLs (lubed with slick 50) and 705 with JSB's. Then I remembered the restrictor. Took it off and chronod around 1000 FPS...ten-shot groups around 1/2 to 3/4 "  at 50 yards.

 

I did notice that some of the CPL pellets required considerable push to sit in. I decided to resize a bunch of em and use a pell seat.  The groups tightened up considerably...resulting in several one hole 5-shot groups.  Been raining here most of the day so I didn't set up the chronograph.

 

A lot of folks don't like bench resting airguns because of 'hold dificulties'...my personal opinion is that it is mostly BS...the name of the game in bench resting is consistency...meaning setting of your gun, rests, ammo and everything else exactly the same every single time...the only thing you gotta figure out is doping the wind, atmospheric pressure, and hopefully the gods are in your favor... LOL

 

 

John U.

----- Original Message -----

From: Leo Duran

To: Whiscombe@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2003 4:23 PM

Subject: Re: [Whiscombe] Leo, All, anyone?

 

I wonder how John's groups are doing?

From his pictures on the "Yellow" page, it looks like
he uses "hard" front&rear bags for bench-resting.
And, as I understand it, the Whizzer does not like
that setup.  Also, he talked abot chroning CPLs, not
JSBs, and I'm sure JW adjusted the HOTS for JSBs in
.177... So, again, I suspect he must not be grouping
too well with: (1) his bench-rest setup, and (2)using
CPLs.

Tell us about it John...
Leo.

--- Ken wrote:
> It HAS been kind of dead, hasn't it.  Even with John
> Ulrich receiving his
> new Whizzer.  I'm surprised he hasn't reported to us
> about it.
>
> Ken
>

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From: Lawrence H Durham <lhdurham2@...>
Date: Tue Nov 18, 2003 4:03am
Subject: Re: Leo, All, anyone?

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John,

 

I read awhile back you recently bought JW50-0049 .... i have owned JW50-0050 for over a decade now, still a favorite!

 

ld

 

On Sun, 21 Sep 2003 17:18:38 -0500 "JONATHAN ULRICH" <sgtjohn_1@msn.com> writes:

John W set mine (JW70 MK2 SN:014) for CPL's. I shot it straight out of the box after installing a Leup 6.5X20 and BLK rings refininished by Spradlins of Colorado. It shot accurate enough but chronod around 720 FPS with CPLs (lubed with slick 50) and 705 with JSB's. Then I remembered the restrictor. Took it off and chronod around 1000 FPS...ten-shot groups around 1/2 to 3/4 "  at 50 yards.

 

I did notice that some of the CPL pellets required considerable push to sit in. I decided to resize a bunch of em and use a pell seat.  The groups tightened up considerably...resulting in several one hole 5-shot groups.  Been raining here most of the day so I didn't set up the chronograph.

 

A lot of folks don't like bench resting airguns because of 'hold dificulties'...my personal opinion is that it is mostly BS...the name of the game in bench resting is consistency...meaning setting of your gun, rests, ammo and everything else exactly the same every single time...the only thing you gotta figure out is doping the wind, atmospheric pressure, and hopefully the gods are in your favor... LOL

 

 

John U.

----- Original Message -----

From: Leo Duran

To: Whiscombe@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2003 4:23 PM

Subject: Re: [Whiscombe] Leo, All, anyone?

 

I wonder how John's groups are doing?

From his pictures on the "Yellow" page, it looks like
he uses "hard" front&rear bags for bench-resting.
And, as I understand it, the Whizzer does not like
that setup.  Also, he talked abot chroning CPLs, not
JSBs, and I'm sure JW adjusted the HOTS for JSBs in
.177... So, again, I suspect he must not be grouping
too well with: (1) his bench-rest setup, and (2)using
CPLs.

Tell us about it John...
Leo.

--- Ken wrote:
> It HAS been kind of dead, hasn't it.  Even with John
> Ulrich receiving his
> new Whizzer.  I'm surprised he hasn't reported to us
> about it.
>
> Ken
>

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From: "David Nissen Kahn" <riflist@...>
Date: Mon Nov 10, 2003 6:55pm
Subject: Photographs

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Anybody have photographs of a JW rifle sporter-stocked? As you know,
there is a single photo on the JW website showing the prototype, a
tilt-barrel and an 80, all with sporting furniture, but the detail available
in the picture is muddy.

David

 

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From: "ynotair50" <ynotair50@...>
Date: Mon Nov 10, 2003 5:36pm
Subject: Re: Purchase Advice and Follow-UP

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Gaines,

Excellent! I look forward to meeting you. My JW75 and I will be
expecting you. I just sent you an email with my work and home email
addresses.

take care,
Tony

--- In  http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=0iRh3BQv73Xu6Pv7DzGaQVktpmN2ONdD2qNk3R8FU-2DGiqlTDUy_VQL9rMWcZXUzTVnyN2DSp2ojtkop5v9 , "Gaines Blackwell"
<gtblackwell@c...> wrote:
> Tony, just read your post, I too am new to the Whiscombe forum and
see that you are in north Pensacola. I live in Auburn, Alabama just
north of you and hav designed houses in Dothan and Kinston, even
nearer. I do make in to your area ever so often. Would love to see
your 75. I primarily fool with spring Match guns but am considering
getting a Whiscombe. Please send me your email address and I will
email back.
> Best regards,
> Gaines Blackwell
> gtblackwell@c...
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: ynotair50
> To:  http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=0iRh3BQv73Xu6Pv7DzGaQVktpmN2ONdD2qNk3R8FU-2DGiqlTDUy_VQL9rMWcZXUzTVnyN2DSp2ojtkop5v9
> Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 6:20 AM
> Subject: [Whiscombe] Re: Purchase Advice and Follow-UP
>
>
> Ken,
>
> I had been corresponding with John Whiscombe several months ago,
when
> I was also uncertain if there was anybody in the states who would
> have the expertise to repair any Whiscombes. John W. told me the
man
> to send it to was Roz Sumpter in Mississippi.
>
> I've got a beautiful JW75 (soft) tip-up barrel that I bought from
> Hawley Todd. It just reaks of quality. The thumbhole stock is
> between grade 3 and 4. I have the .22 and .177 barrels. I just
wish
> I could get some half way decent 50 yard groups. If I really do
my
> part, I can get some very nice 3/4" and 1/2" groups at 30 to 35
> yards...................but when I increase that distance the
groups
> just open up considerably. I have read everything I can get my
hands
> on concerning proper/consistent hold, etc. I know not to rest
the
> rifle on the cocking lever. I was even considering another JW,
but
> with a Fixed Barrel. I have read so many negative comments about
> battling with the H.O.T.S. though. If I did buy a fixed barrel,
I
> would never change the barrel.
>
> I also remember a post a while back about using a torque wrench
on
> the stock allen screws. Whoever posted it, said that the four
allen
> screws should all have the same tightness, and that it made a big
> difference in consistency. I need to check this out.
>
> Right now, I am attempting ro remove the standard muzzle break.
I
> had been removing it without any problem, each time I cleaned the
> barrel. (which has been about every 75 to 100 shots). Now, for
some
> reason, the break is like cemented on! It sat in the gun vault
> unused for many months. Any suggestions on how to remove the
muzzle
> break? Penetrating oil? Heat? Also, with the tip-up version,
it is
> so easy to make barrel changes. (that is......if you can remove
the
> muzzle break first!)
>
> I would love to get my hands on a newer JW and give it a few
shots,
> so I will know if I really want one. I'm in the Florida Panhandle
> over by Alabama. (northern Pensacola). Thanks to everyone for
this
> discussion group.
>
> Tony Uriz
>
>
>
> --- In  http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=0iRh3BQv73Xu6Pv7DzGaQVktpmN2ONdD2qNk3R8FU-2DGiqlTDUy_VQL9rMWcZXUzTVnyN2DSp2ojtkop5v9 , Ken <ken@c...> wrote:
> > The uncertainty of repair availability had me concerned just
before
> I
> > bought my rifle. I had encouragement from three or four
Whiscombe
> > owners. I decided that there are no guarantees in life; so I
> should not
> > worry. I think that someone like Tim will take up the slack if
> John
> > retires from airgun fabrication and service. Also, I was
comforted
> to know
> > that problems are few and far between; especially when it comes
to
> JW's
> > newer designs. That was enough for me and I now have my
Whiscombe
> (and am
> > quite proud of it).
> >
> > LD commented to me that worse than dry firing is cocking the
rifle
> with a
> > pellet in the breech and the bolt closed. Again, the only way
one
> could do
> > that is through lack of attention to what he/she is doing.
> >
> >
> > Ken
> >
> > At 09:32 PM 11/4/2003 -0700, you wrote:
> > >Folks,
> > >
> > > I'd still welcome additional renditions of experience and
> opinion--the
> > >more you know the better--but I've heard what I expected to
hear,
> and it's
> > >all good. I've stored each of the obviously carefully
considered
> answers in
> > >my keeper file. Thanks are due to all of my correspondents.
> > >
> > > I don't know as much as many airgunners, but I do know
enough
> not to
> > >dryfire any spring-piston gun. Still, I suppose that it could
> happen, quite
> > >unintentionally through simple inattention or
distraction . . .
> though of
> > >course not to me and my rifle. It is reassuring to know that
Mr.
> Whiscombe
> > >is aware of the problems and the frailties of his clients and,
> thus aware,
> > >is designing and building for the 0.5% occurrence. Much like
the
> German
> > >philosophy in general and that of Mercedes-Benz engineering in
> particular.
> > >It seems to me that the piston heads are more vulnerable in
the
> Whiscombe
> > >system than in the conventional single-piston ones, because
they
> are
> > >striking each other with double the force, akin to the
situation of
> > >comparing a head-on automobile collision with one at the same
> speed into a
> > >fixed obstacle, 50 mph versus 25 at impact.
> > >
> > > I still do wonder who will step into the gap when, as is
> inevitable, Mr.
> > >Whiscombe decides that he doesn't want to twiddle with stuff
> anymore. He
> > >may not; people who are lucky enough to do what they are
> constitutionally
> > >suited to do are usually happy and fulfilled and don't want to
> stop,
> > >although they sometimes cut back the hours. As well, it seems
> that he is
> > >using where he can off-the-shelf catalog parts. But, since
the
> guns are, as
> > >was said, hell for stout, I'll progress on with a clearer mind
and
> the
> > >assumption that I can fall back onto the collective expertise
of
> the
> > >readership here and the technomechanical know-how of Mr.
McMurray
> for a
> > >start on anything untoward that happens. I knew that these
guns
> are pretty
> > >neat since I first saw Jess Galan's description in Airgun
Digest
> #3 more
> > >than a decade back. Now I have first hand experience with Ken
> Ridout's
> > >rifle and the vicarious feelings of several owners. I can't
wait.
> > >
> > > Cordial regards, and thanks
again,
> > >
> > > David
> > >
> > >
> > >
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From: "Gaines Blackwell" <gtblackwell@...>
Date: Mon Nov 10, 2003 4:27pm
Subject: Re: Re: Purchase Advice and Follow-UP

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Tony, just read your post, I too am new to the Whiscombe forum and see that you are in north Pensacola. I live in Auburn, Alabama just north of you and hav designed houses in Dothan and Kinston, even nearer. I do make in to your area ever so often. Would love to see your 75. I primarily fool with spring Match guns but am considering getting a Whiscombe. Please send me your email address and I will email back.

Best regards,

Gaines Blackwell

gtblackwell@charter.net

 

----- Original Message -----

From: ynotair50

To: Whiscombe@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 6:20 AM

Subject: [Whiscombe] Re: Purchase Advice and Follow-UP

 

Ken,

I had been corresponding with John Whiscombe several months ago, when
I was also uncertain if there was anybody in the states who would
have the expertise to repair any Whiscombes.  John W. told me the man
to send it to was Roz Sumpter in Mississippi.

I've got a beautiful JW75 (soft) tip-up barrel that I bought from
Hawley Todd.  It just reaks of quality. The thumbhole stock is
between grade 3 and 4.  I have the .22 and .177 barrels. I just wish
I could get some half way decent 50 yard groups. If I really do my
part, I can get some very nice 3/4" and 1/2" groups at 30 to 35
yards...................but when I increase that distance the groups
just open up considerably. I have read everything I can get my hands
on concerning proper/consistent hold, etc.  I know not to rest the
rifle on the cocking lever. I was even considering another JW, but
with a Fixed Barrel.  I have read so many negative comments about
battling with the H.O.T.S. though.  If I did buy a fixed barrel, I
would never change the barrel.

I also remember a post a while back about using a torque wrench on
the stock allen screws.  Whoever posted it, said that the four allen
screws should all have the same tightness, and that it made a big
difference in consistency.  I need to check this out.

Right now, I am attempting ro remove the standard muzzle break.  I
had been removing it without any problem, each time I cleaned the
barrel. (which has been about every 75 to 100 shots).  Now, for some
reason, the break is like cemented on!  It sat in the gun vault
unused for many months.  Any suggestions on how to remove the muzzle
break?  Penetrating oil?  Heat?  Also, with the tip-up version, it is
so easy to make barrel changes. (that is......if you can remove the
muzzle break first!)

I would love to get my hands on a newer JW and give it a few shots,
so I will know if I really want one. I'm in the Florida Panhandle
over by Alabama.  (northern Pensacola).  Thanks to everyone for this
discussion group.

Tony Uriz

--- In Whiscombe@yahoogroups.com, Ken wrote:
> The uncertainty of repair availability had me concerned just before
I
> bought my rifle.  I had encouragement from three or four Whiscombe
> owners.  I decided that there are no guarantees in life; so I
should not
> worry.  I think that someone like Tim will take up the slack if
John
> retires from airgun fabrication and service.  Also, I was comforted
to know
> that problems are few and far between; especially when it comes to
JW's
> newer designs.  That was enough for me and I now have my Whiscombe
(and am
> quite proud of it).
>
> LD commented to me that worse than dry firing is cocking the rifle
with a
> pellet in the breech and the bolt closed.  Again, the only way one
could do
> that is through lack of attention to what he/she is doing.
>
>
> Ken
>
> At 09:32 PM 11/4/2003 -0700, you wrote:
> >Folks,
> >
> >     I'd still welcome additional renditions of experience and
opinion--the
> >more you know the better--but I've heard what I expected to hear,
and it's
> >all good.  I've stored each of the obviously carefully considered
answers in
> >my keeper file.  Thanks are due to all of my correspondents.
> >
> >     I don't know as much as many airgunners, but I do know enough
not to
> >dryfire any spring-piston gun.  Still, I suppose that it could
happen, quite
> >unintentionally through simple inattention or distraction . . .
though of
> >course not to me and my rifle.  It is reassuring to know that Mr.
Whiscombe
> >is aware of the problems and the frailties of his clients and,
thus aware,
> >is designing and building for the 0.5% occurrence.  Much like the
German
> >philosophy in general and that of Mercedes-Benz engineering in
particular.
> >It seems to me that the piston heads are more vulnerable in the
Whiscombe
> >system than in the conventional single-piston ones, because they
are
> >striking each other with double the force, akin to the situation of
> >comparing a head-on automobile collision with one at the same
speed into a
> >fixed obstacle, 50 mph versus 25 at impact.
> >
> >     I still do wonder who will step into the gap when, as is
inevitable, Mr.
> >Whiscombe decides that he doesn't want to twiddle with stuff
anymore.  He
> >may not; people who are lucky enough to do what they are
constitutionally
> >suited to do are usually happy and fulfilled and don't want to
stop,
> >although they sometimes cut back the hours.  As well, it seems
that he is
> >using where he can off-the-shelf catalog parts.  But, since the
guns are, as
> >was said, hell for stout, I'll progress on with a clearer mind and
the
> >assumption that I can fall back onto the collective expertise of
the
> >readership here and the technomechanical know-how of Mr. McMurray
for a
> >start on anything untoward that happens.  I knew that these guns
are pretty
> >neat since I first saw Jess Galan's description in Airgun Digest
#3 more
> >than a decade back.  Now I have first hand experience with Ken
Ridout's
> >rifle and the vicarious feelings of several owners.  I can't wait.
> >
> >                               Cordial regards, and thanks again,
> >
> >                               David
> >
> >
> >
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From: Ken <ken@...>
Date: Mon Nov 10, 2003 2:21am
Subject: Re: John, still "no cigar" with 5-shot groups at 35 yds...

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Mine seems to get the best groups with CPHs and Kodiaks.  I've not tested with JSP Heavies yet, but plan to do so in the near future.  My HOTS came loose several months ago.  The groups went all to heck . . . . and then I found that it had come loose.  Of course, there's no telling from where it came. I tried all different positions of adjustment but my benchrest shooting skills are not consistent enough to eliminate me from the equation.  I get approximately 1/2" groups at 45 yards or so no matter where I set the HOTS.  I finally simply left well enough alone.  1/2" groups are good enough for metal silhouette shooting.
Some day, maybe I'll try tuning the HOTS for even better results.

Ken

At 01:35 AM 11/10/2003 +0000, you wrote:

I'm getting inconsistent shots at least 3/4" apart in any direction.
I'm shooting JSB's 4.52mm (8.4gr) pellets, perhaps the HOTS is tuned
for CPLs?

I tried resting the rifle on a small towel (as you do), or my left
palm (without touching the cocking lever), on top of a sand-filled
bag.  I also checked all the screws on the gun and the scope mount.
It has been very frustrating so far, but I'll stay after it, as
there has to be a logical explanation for this behavior.

Anyway, at least I know is not the bench-rest, so I'll try dinking
around with the HOTS next... if it only stopped raining around here.

Leo.

 

 

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From: "wonderwall696" <dermotmt@...>
Date: Thu Jan 1, 2004 2:43pm
Subject: Help!!!!

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Hi I have just cocked my JW60 and first cock was as normall but when
I went for the second it seems to be limp and the arm wont go back
into "Homebase" seems to have only cocked one spring ??? it wont fire
or re-cock.....anyone help??

D

 

306

From: "Ken H" <airmojo@...>
Date: Mon Dec 29, 2003 8:37pm
Subject: Re: JW-80 fs at Brad's

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So was this a legitimate sale or a prank ?

I missed out seeing the ad on Brad's page...

Ken H

--- In  http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=Ipl_rJJFgZvy9ljOnPQ7s1yDwLb9DZmokqh588ZeWn53vVUJQ7TVs5X2sPuzkhOaW-U4gnXR62fJnjoneOfj , "Arnold Smith" <arnoldbsmith@s...>
wrote:
> Hello, There is a JW-80 for sale at Brad's page by a guy named
Jacky.
> Does anyone know Jacky or the gun? Jacky is also selling a custom
> career and RWS 54 with JM stock. These sound like guns that Nick
> Sweis also owned.... Any information appreciated.
>
> Arnold
>
> 479-435-1017

 

305

From: "charles mistretta" <chasmist@...>
Date: Sun Dec 28, 2003 3:25am
Subject: Re: JW-80 fs at Brad's

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Arnold,

 

That's the same Whiscombe that I have, albeit with only the .22 cal. barrel.  If I can answer any questions, please do not hesitate to call.

 

chasm

 

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From: Arnold Smith

To: Whiscombe@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, December 27, 2003 7:37 PM

Subject: [Whiscombe] JW-80 fs at Brad's

 

Hello, There is a JW-80 for sale at Brad's page by a guy named Jacky.
Does anyone know Jacky or the gun?  Jacky is also selling a custom
career and RWS 54 with JM stock.  These sound like guns that Nick
Sweis also owned....  Any information appreciated.

Arnold

479-435-1017

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From: "David Nissen Kahn" <riflist@...>
Date: Sun Dec 28, 2003 2:31am
Subject: Re: JW-80 fs at Brad's

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FWIW, Jacky's a fellow in Illinois.  I've been corresponding with him about the gun. 

 

                            David

----- Original Message -----

From: Gaines Blackwell

To: Whiscombe@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, December 27, 2003 6:56 PM

Subject: Re: [Whiscombe] JW-80 fs at Brad's

 

Arnold, Jacky is a more common name in the UK, could they be there? Pretty complet kit as the Brits would say. given the extra barrels, etc, not a bad price.....Gaines

----- Original Message -----

From: Arnold Smith

To: Whiscombe@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, December 27, 2003 7:37 PM

Subject: [Whiscombe] JW-80 fs at Brad's

 

Hello, There is a JW-80 for sale at Brad's page by a guy named Jacky.
Does anyone know Jacky or the gun?  Jacky is also selling a custom
career and RWS 54 with JM stock.  These sound like guns that Nick
Sweis also owned....  Any information appreciated.

Arnold

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From: "Gaines Blackwell" <gtblackwell@...>
Date: Sun Dec 28, 2003 1:56am
Subject: Re: JW-80 fs at Brad's

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Arnold, Jacky is a more common name in the UK, could they be there? Pretty complet kit as the Brits would say. given the extra barrels, etc, not a bad price.....Gaines

----- Original Message -----

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To: Whiscombe@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, December 27, 2003 7:37 PM

Subject: [Whiscombe] JW-80 fs at Brad's

 

Hello, There is a JW-80 for sale at Brad's page by a guy named Jacky.
Does anyone know Jacky or the gun?  Jacky is also selling a custom
career and RWS 54 with JM stock.  These sound like guns that Nick
Sweis also owned....  Any information appreciated.

Arnold

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From: "Arnold Smith" <arnoldbsmith@...>
Date: Sun Dec 28, 2003 1:37am
Subject: JW-80 fs at Brad's

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Hello, There is a JW-80 for sale at Brad's page by a guy named Jacky.
Does anyone know Jacky or the gun? Jacky is also selling a custom
career and RWS 54 with JM stock. These sound like guns that Nick
Sweis also owned.... Any information appreciated.

Arnold

479-435-1017

 

301

From: "David Nissen Kahn" <riflist@...>
Date: Sun Dec 7, 2003 1:02am
Subject: Re: Re: Pellets and Aerodynamics

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Not exactly.  I know about them, though I haven't seen any at first hand.  Pelletman and somebody else . . . Pyramyd Sports or Silver Streak Sports was selling such stuff. 

 

Also, check  http://www.corbins.com/pellets.htm .  My question was prompted by seeing this page. 

 

                                David

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Sent: Friday, December 05, 2003 4:05 PM

Subject: [Whiscombe] Re: Pellets and Aerodynamics

 

---
Hi David I think you mean exterminators...they are made in the
UK....and are proving very popular......1.77 is 9.5 g and .22 is 16g
and I think around 20.g good BC and clean yeah they should be great
in a high power Whizzer....is 9.5 to much for the 12lb??? yes i would
imagine....

In Whiscombe@yahoogroups.com, "David Nissen Kahn" <riflist@m...>
wrote:
>     Has anyone tried any pellet forms other than the diabolo?  Some
makers
> are offering bulletlike pellet forms, reminiscent of Mini頢alls,
with
> ogival nose, straight sides with bourrelet and hollow base with a
driving
> band.  Many of them seem to be too heavy for best use in a spring-
piston
> rifle, but there may be lighter ones that would fall into the weight
> categories of apposite JSB Exacts, say.
>
>     It seems to me that, with the relatively high power available in
> Whizzers that is accompanied by recoil compensation, they are ideal
long
> range rifles.  That might be improvable with improved
aeroballistics of the
> projectile.
>
>                                         David

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From: "wonderwall696" <dermotmt@...>
Date: Fri Dec 5, 2003 11:08pm
Subject: Re: Lube

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---

Hi ken thanx again for your input...I did a search and the very same
wax is on sale at my local bicycle store so Ill try
them :}......sounds good....

In  http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=fDxOXbqrhL9UYMey2HFjzbbXqRPg8mMlDQ5gYiPx04DXCOjGuWrQV-t-Y51X2kd2txNd5kXiByWNqNBprR78lg , "Ken H" <airmojo@e...> wrote:
> ld is the guy to thank for discovering the Krytech wax lube, and
Mac-
> 1 for trying to keep it available to us. Hopefully the new aersol
> version for motorcycle chaings will become available soon, and
> hopefully it wil work just as well !
>
> And if it does work--stock up on it!
>
>
> When applying to pellets...
>
> I use to stand the pellets up on a paper plate and spray them, but
> as others have found, it wastes too much wax--you don't need that
> much.
>
> I now use one of those inexpensive Ziplock tupperware bowls (clear
> with the blue/purplish lid, round and about 4-5 inches in
diameter.
> Spray some in the empty bowl, pour in your pellets, close lid,
swish
> around a bit, dump out into another container and dump about the
> same number of un-lubed pellets.
>
> Just keep using the same container--leave any wax residue in there,
> cause when you spray more in, it sort of dissolves the remaining
> lube to be re-applied.
>
> Ken H (airmojo)
>
> --- In  http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=fDxOXbqrhL9UYMey2HFjzbbXqRPg8mMlDQ5gYiPx04DXCOjGuWrQV-t-Y51X2kd2txNd5kXiByWNqNBprR78lg , "wonderwall696" <dermotmt@b...>
> wrote:
> > ---
> > Thanx Ken,,,very helpful :}...

 

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From: "wonderwall696" <dermotmt@...>
Date: Fri Dec 5, 2003 11:05pm
Subject: Re: Pellets and Aerodynamics

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---
Hi David I think you mean exterminators...they are made in the
UK....and are proving very popular......1.77 is 9.5 g and .22 is 16g
and I think around 20.g good BC and clean yeah they should be great
in a high power Whizzer....is 9.5 to much for the 12lb??? yes i would
imagine....

In  http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=KwjYLga5KscS2OG3Y2V_9JmT5yZjWPkbQIxGX6MqGX9ztl3xMtz3Y9oHCRbWHcJfz1gqQSEEjqgzwslk7kcdJX1uQv0 , "David Nissen Kahn" <riflist@m...>
wrote:
> Has anyone tried any pellet forms other than the diabolo? Some
makers
> are offering bulletlike pellet forms, reminiscent of Mini頢alls,
with
> ogival nose, straight sides with bourrelet and hollow base with a
driving
> band. Many of them seem to be too heavy for best use in a spring-
piston
> rifle, but there may be lighter ones that would fall into the weight
> categories of apposite JSB Exacts, say.
>
> It seems to me that, with the relatively high power available in
> Whizzers that is accompanied by recoil compensation, they are ideal
long
> range rifles. That might be improvable with improved
aeroballistics of the
> projectile.
>
> David

 

298

From: "Ken H" <airmojo@...>
Date: Fri Dec 5, 2003 8:39pm
Subject: Re: Lube

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ld is the guy to thank for discovering the Krytech wax lube, and Mac-
1 for trying to keep it available to us. Hopefully the new aersol
version for motorcycle chaings will become available soon, and
hopefully it wil work just as well !

And if it does work--stock up on it!

When applying to pellets...

I use to stand the pellets up on a paper plate and spray them, but
as others have found, it wastes too much wax--you don't need that
much.

I now use one of those inexpensive Ziplock tupperware bowls (clear
with the blue/purplish lid, round and about 4-5 inches in diameter.
Spray some in the empty bowl, pour in your pellets, close lid, swish
around a bit, dump out into another container and dump about the
same number of un-lubed pellets.

Just keep using the same container--leave any wax residue in there,
cause when you spray more in, it sort of dissolves the remaining
lube to be re-applied.

Ken H (airmojo)

--- In  http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=5YaUEHaAsisUTiVFjq8a__SU1RnwC8GoLbhiHtPoLf0M7ffE2Hjr6NWNMWJsk5i4WM1KNEh3HAcoHecIN2bBSA , "wonderwall696" <dermotmt@b...>
wrote:
> ---
> Thanx Ken,,,very helpful :}...

 

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From: "David Nissen Kahn" <riflist@...>
Date: Fri Dec 5, 2003 8:08pm
Subject: Pellets and Aerodynamics

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Has anyone tried any pellet forms other than the diabolo? Some makers
are offering bulletlike pellet forms, reminiscent of Mini頢alls, with
ogival nose, straight sides with bourrelet and hollow base with a driving
band. Many of them seem to be too heavy for best use in a spring-piston
rifle, but there may be lighter ones that would fall into the weight
categories of apposite JSB Exacts, say.

It seems to me that, with the relatively high power available in
Whizzers that is accompanied by recoil compensation, they are ideal long
range rifles. That might be improvable with improved aeroballistics of the
projectile.

David

 

296

From: "wonderwall696" <dermotmt@...>
Date: Fri Dec 5, 2003 6:48pm
Subject: Re: Lube

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---
Thanx Ken,,,very helpful :}...

In  http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=SmawKBQskT9AeTdhqVMtvwjFunqhF_2zqJHdbbq5u_5CBPVgC_YU-nukwCg3-LJIV4RTpr94noFRk0P32cFBydr8 , "Ken H" <airmojo@e...> wrote:
> I use Finishline Krytec wax lube in the aersol cans, which are no
> longer being made, although Mac-1 just found a supply, but may be
> out by now. I hear a new wax lube maybe available that's primary
> use is for motorcycle chains.
>
> Mac-1 has their own blended Krytec using the liquid version.
>
> I still have a couple aersol cans that should last me awhile.
Trick
> is to not use too much, and you don't have to do every pellet.
>
> I also use the Krytec in a couple other springers that I have.
>
> I don't like messy sticky lubes !
>
> Ken H (airmojo)
> --- In  http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=SmawKBQskT9AeTdhqVMtvwjFunqhF_2zqJHdbbq5u_5CBPVgC_YU-nukwCg3-LJIV4RTpr94noFRk0P32cFBydr8 , "wonderwall696" <dermotmt@b...>
> wrote:
> > Hi can any ove you guys tell me what your using for your
> Whiscombe's
> > and how u get it on?? spray, Rag ect ect....Thanx

 

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From: "Ken H" <airmojo@...>
Date: Fri Dec 5, 2003 6:39pm
Subject: Re: Lube

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I use Finishline Krytec wax lube in the aersol cans, which are no
longer being made, although Mac-1 just found a supply, but may be
out by now. I hear a new wax lube maybe available that's primary
use is for motorcycle chains.

Mac-1 has their own blended Krytec using the liquid version.

I still have a couple aersol cans that should last me awhile. Trick
is to not use too much, and you don't have to do every pellet.

I also use the Krytec in a couple other springers that I have.

I don't like messy sticky lubes !

Ken H (airmojo)
--- In  http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Whiscombe/post?postID=jfCoaLvisVekbxMKndZlTwR7gyC3UwTzMNrGCytjRvLVLekK_3H3w0_M3BM-SwRTjFmFCXlRnl-NzU_BQ7IK3Gc , "wonderwall696" <dermotmt@b...>
wrote:
> Hi can any ove you guys tell me what your using for your
Whiscombe's
> and how u get it on?? spray, Rag ect ect....Thanx

 

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From: "wonderwall696" <dermotmt@...>
Date: Fri Dec 5, 2003 5:52pm
Subject: Lube

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Hi can any ove you guys tell me what your using for your Whiscombe's
and how u get it on?? spray, Rag ect ect....Thanx

 

293

From: "wonderwall696" <dermotmt@...>
Date: Fri Nov 28, 2003 0:15am
Subject: Whizzer for SALE!

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Hi guys i just noticed a whiscombe 65 for sale on the UK AirgunBBS
board heres the link  http://airgunbbs.com/6/ubb.x?
a=tpc&s=91060785&f=11460308&m=7216009